That Pedal Show - Octave Pedals For Everyone!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2016
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In this episode Daniel and Mick introduce you to six octave pedals that each have a unique take on the genre. Please note, we’re not dealing with Octave Fuzz in this episode - this is about octave down and up… and polyphonic octave generators. Let’s go…
Pedals In This Episode…
• Digitech Whammy 5
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2cWw5YQ
USA: bit.ly/3oDUaqB
• EHX Micro POG
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dxmneP
USA: bit.ly/3pgea1E
• EHX POG2
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2cYS24L
USA: bit.ly/3FPZ75v
• TC Electronic Sub’N’Up
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2djv9db
USA: imp.i114863.net/EBVgD
Australia: bit.ly/2ZzUb0r
• T-Rex Quint Machine
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dAbWWS
USA: imp.i114863.net/6jqQm
• Boss OC-3 Super Octave
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dX4pjS
USA: imp.i114863.net/3QOqn
• Fulltone OCD V7
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dhU2ro
USA: imp.i114863.net/49Kx3
Australia: bit.ly/2qgh9eW
• Strymon El Capistan
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2cVgRPr
USA: imp.i114863.net/yMLPG
Australia: bit.ly/2pUnPeu
As ever, all switching and routing is handled by TheGigRig G2. www.thegigrig.com
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
• Boss OC-3 Super Octave discussion and sounds: 3:08 & 34:56
• Digitech Whammy 5 discussion and sounds: 6:23
• Electro-Harmonix POG2 discussion and sounds: 9:48
• Electro-Harmonix Micro POG discussion and sounds: 19:02
• TC Electronic discussion and sounds: Su b’N’Up: 21:51
• T-Rex Quint discussion and sounds: 28:45
• All on at once/World War III… 40:30
Guitars in this episode
Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - watch Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
Gretsch G6118T-LIV Players Edition Anniversary
Amps this episode
Fender Super Reverb Reissue with 4x10 Jensen P10R speakers
• Victory The Sheriff 44 with V212VH cabinet
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2c34DXr
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the black sides on the Gretsch just make it look so much cooler than other Gretsch guitars.
Stinkfist2000 No joke! And matte?
RATM on a Gretsch... brilliant...
+neuk01642 hahahaha
litterally the best thing on you tube!
That Pedal Show There has to be a spin off special of tunes played on highly inappropriate guitars. Reign in Blood on a ES330, Giant Steps on a BC Rich Mockingbird... Djenting on a Country Gent...
neuk01642 I want to see the Gretsch Country Djent!
Joseph Quinlan I am going to be spending a weekend imagine what that would be like... a 7 string semi hollow tuned to drop B... with a Bigsby and Filtertrons... I buy it!!
GUYS! GUYS! GUYS!!!
You didn't go over my favorite part of the OC-3. (sorry... favourite)
In the 'POLY' mode, the 3rd knob attenuates which frequencies are fed into the octaver. Turning it left of 10 o'clock or so, you can play a finger picking style and only have the lowest notes octave down. It's like Jon Gromm said in his Roland UK demo... "It's like having the worlds most boring bass player but also the world's most reliable bass player"
Yeah... You looked over one of the coolest features of that Boss pedal!
Ultimately, I want a micro POG with that selective frequency function. I always wished my OC-3 also had an octave up.
Would you say the OC-3's tones are more accurate replications of the guitar tones? As opposed to the POG2 which is organ-y sounding?
At 8:42 I expected Dan to say "that's how they did the R2-D2 sound effects" :D
I literally thought the same thing!
same!
Some of it does sound like BB-8.
A 70s synth
It was a RATM solo. And you call yourselves guitarists! ...Shame! Lol - but seriously, look it up.
I own the oc3 and couldn't be happier, the drive sound on it blended with the octave is just such a great sound. Can't believe it took me this long to get into octave stuff.
Something you didn't go over with the Sub'n'up that's super cool - using the (free!) toneprint editor, you can reassign what the knobs do, and even assign multiple things to the same knob. For example, if you never use sub2, you could have the first half of that knob to take it from 'clean' to '+80% drive', and then the second half to sweep through phaser/modulation.
What I like to do is set the first "half" of the range of each knob to go from 0% to 100% volume, and then the second half of the range of each knob to add drive to that octave -- but there are so many options that it's ridiculous. I could be typing this comment until next Thursday and still not have time to explain all of the stuff you can do with it.
Great video as always. Cheers! -Jeff
I should add that you can only reassign what the knobs do when it's in 'toneprint' mode -- they go back to 'normal' when you flip the switch to poly or classic modes (and then back to however you set them when you go back to your custom toneprint).
IIRC, one of TC's Toneprints has done that too, with sub2 mapped to control the amount of modulation. Just another great feature of the Toneprint technology. :)
Yes, and it's a good one -- but you're not limited to what they've done (although that one's a reasonable place to start from when making your own).
The fact that Electro-Harmonix manages to get folks to pay $350 for a box that makes your guitar sound like a seven cat gang bang in a church organ is impressive. Give the head of marketing a raise 👌🏼
agree totally
Seven cat gangbang..baaahahaha
For people that are really going to use it it's a great effect, but that's a pretty small portion of who buys one
Dude I needed this laugh so bad today. Literally brought me to tears 😂
I can no longer watch this channel. Because of Dan, I have just purchased a Gretsch G6118T and now my wife isn't speaking to me.
TsiratiugZ I hear ya brother. I'm debating doing the same thing. I got that fever and the solution is more Gretsch!!!!
That guitar is a thing of beauty! Love is overrated anyways! :-P
tell your wife "I can always sell my guitar, but you my love, you are priceless."
Am I the only one that has this problem with a husband???!!!
placidbomb That only works when you over buy the first time. 😂
The TC Sub-n-up and the Micro POG are very tempting.
Thank you gents once again for another informative yet entertaining video!
Guys, you should've got the EHX Pitchfork. That is the go-to for me on octave and harmony. The latch function is ace too
Yes! And the intelligent harmony machine. It has the pitch fork octave generator plus the harmony.
you guys, every time I watch one of your videos, I get inspired to play guitar and mess around with my pedals. thank you guys
+Prav Abe Perfect! That's the best thing anyone can ever say. Thanks for watching!
Best bloody gear channel on UA-cam: great playing, sweet tones, sexy gear, solid video/audio production, pleasant personalities and chemistry between those personalities. Always enjoy Mick's animated facial expressions to Dan's in-the-zone tonal explorations.
Comedic gold at 22:49. Fantastic.
8:52 Mick might have missed it, but I caught the RATM solo, Daniel! Jolly Good Show!!👏
The Digitech Whammy always puts a smile on my face. It's just so fun. One pedal that created Tom Morello's entire rig.
Another great video chaps. Love how you so effectively demonstrate how pedals work, how sounds are achieved, etc. Keep it up! :)
Man you guys don’t know how much you’ve helped me learn about pedals. Thanks to you guys and a few other really good UA-camrs I have an amazing pedalboard and much more knowledge on how everything works. Thank you for doing what you guys do! I need that shirt!
+Lino Alcaraz ah, that’s awesome L, so glad you’ve made good use of the info :)
This episode has some of the best tones ever.
Daniel yelling "AWESOME! I LOVE THIS!" at 28:02 is everyone that's tried the Sub N Up. I loooooove mine, and at the lowest pricepoint of the (polyphonic) bunch.
Right off the bat, amazing riff by Dan Morello! 👏 So glad I found this episode. Thanks a ton from the states!
Thanks guys this is just what i needed and am currently looking for an octave pedal. Well done reading my mind and bringing me exactly what i wanted.
Holy crap! I need one!
Isn't it the case, that if a pedal inspires you, it is worth getting, and if doesn't, keep looking until you find one that does...and then make that sweet sweet music!
“Literally MINUTES of fun!” Thanks Mick 😂 This is really useful for me, I play in a duo and I think I can find some applications to help fill out our sound. Superb!
I'm at work and watch this on my breaks throughout the day. I really hope someone plays the solo from "owner of a lonely heart" on the fuzz episode should one ever come! Love the show guys!
Recently got a micropog, but now i NEED a subnup haha! Great show guys! Following here from Uruguay! Cheers!
Right on guys. Y'all made hurricane Matthew a bit more bearable this Friday am! Cheers from Florida!
They forgot my favorite feature of the Boss OC-3. The poly mode, where you can split the signal into a guitar and bass amp and separate. Fun stuff.
Just when I'm thinking of getting an octave pedal. Was already thinking of the TC Sub n Up. This sold me. Thanks guys!
Rage on a Gretsch... YES!!!!
Loved this demo guys. Cheers!
Guys you missed the real magic of the OC-3, in poly mode the third knob becomes a LP filter and you can choose the point at which it stops triggering the octaves, allowing you to grab a chord and only get an octave on the bottom note.
Also, the OC-3 in normal mono mode has 1 octave down and 2 octaves down, not 1 down and 1 up.
Oscar Richardson exactly, like Gilad Hekselman explains in a Reverb.com vid..
Ha that little Wicked Game lick was ace.
That Wicked Games lick!
that was funny!
That flangy Toneprint sounded GREAT. Relatedly, I've recently started to enjoy the sound of an octave pedal going into some kind of spring-ish reverb - it kind of rounds off the jankiness of the up-octave sounds, and sounds very cool on swells.
Have a POG2. Ability to go from subtle to sublime - and to use the presets - makes this a very versatile addition to the pedalboard. Thanks for this video. Really enjoy your work!
That's the best 'all pedals on' sound to date! 😆
It sounded like every one of these altered the clean tone. I would love to see Strymon "perfect" the octave effect with their digital brain/analog heart approach. Also, octave pedals in the effects loop of a delay can be pretty incredible. Thanks for your good work guys!
I picked up the Deco and just couldn't bond with it Should have gotten the Flint or ElCap
if it was clean it would be shimmer reverb pedal
...Strymon is pretty much all-digital, so far as I know. Chase Bliss is the one that popularized the phrase/philosophy "digital brain, analog heart," I believe
Love the POG2. Jon Lord is alive and kicking on your pedal-board. God bless him !
Dan/Mick: this is a very timely video ... many thanks ... I am looking to add an Octave pedal to my arsenal.
The Sub n' up wins the day for me! The Pog was cool as well but, I'm in the market for a Sub N' Up now!
Whammy 5: try an acoustic guitar with a 3rd or 6th interval plus dry. Use the pedal to tune the harmony to the key as you play different notes. Sounds like an acoustic B-bender :)
I learnt so much from you guys. thank you for such informative and interesting videos. Greetings and much love from Dubai, UAE!!
Hahahaha, I love you guys and watch you every week, but the last thing I ever expected to hear was Bach's bouree in E minor! And with a pog and a Gretsch :)
Thanks guys! I always look forward to Friday afternoons with you!
All i was thinking was Jack White and the white stripes.
And mike. Kerr from Royal blood😂
Add Tom Morello , and you have the reason why everyone seems to have one.And maybe, now, Royal Blood.
One of those tools you try when nothing else is working.
The second I heard that fifth octave on the Quint, I was like "Owner of a Lonely Heart!!!"
By Yes
@@Jeb4100 that's the one
@@kmhMESA hehe
I like Roundabout too
Listening to Dan playing RATM on a Gretch first thing in the morning. Sounds like it's gonna be a good day :)
Hi guys, love the show, learn so much every week!
I have a suggestion for a couple of episodes, it would be great to see a leslie/rotary simulation comparison (and where to put them in the chain!) or a in-depth on using effect loops with medium to high gain amps (yes, ok, I know they're not your cup of tea but, you know...)
Cheers!
Thanks for having a TC Electronic pedal on the show :)
Marcus Kruse yeah they don't seem to get much love on here do they
+Tom Poynton Mick had two on his desert island board
Gabe Elias yeah I remember that because it really stood out!
+Tom Poynton well the reason is that they are a compromise. They're extremely versatile and easy to use, but because if that the tone is a compromise, just due to the nature of the technology. A one trick pony will do that one trick better than a super versatile thing does that one thing
+Tom Poynton for someone who wants a lot of sounds easily accessible, they're great, for someone who just wants one sound, a specific pedal will be better. I actually used a tc flashback to figure out what kind of delay I liked and when I decided that tape was my favorite, I bought a roland re-150 space echo
I absolutely love this channel... I've no big music stores near my home (which is pretty good, I try to support smaller shops) and you need to hear what sounds can be achieved with what source and I find you guys through Andertons channel and I'm in Love! rock on from stormy South Carolina.
I love how Nick Mick started Sissy Strut to avoid copyright strike
Longtime viewer and subscriber, this video was one of the most enjoyable on UA-cam!!! Thanks guys!
Thank you! Glad you found it useful!
I recently bought the sub up and I have been loving the hell out of it. worth every penny.
My 'That Pedal Show' T-shirt arrived yesterday and very very splendid it is too! Shall wear it to the pub on Sunday!
+Kossofffan Yes! Members of the opposite sex will verily flock, such is the awesomeness of its attracting powers.
Nonsense! The shirt knows your proclivities and adjusts accordingly, no app required!
All on together reminds me of a My Bloody Valentine concert
exactly what I thought.
Love all the videos you guys do. I'd love to see you do a video on building a pedalboard from scratch with the essentials for rock players: one of you with a clean only amp, the other with a channel switching clean/dirty amp. It'd be great to hear your opinions on how different gain pedals work overall with different effects in the different amp environments.
+Tommy Noble yep, have to do this :)
Just got a Pearl Octave pedal, wow this thing is so different. I love it so much!
Somehow, the POG gets more attention, but the Pitchfork is the best octave/ pitch pedal available, IMO.Expression pedal option puts it ahead of the POG, reliability,sound quality, tracking, and cost put it ahead of the Whammy.
Always useful info.
I found that the Pitchfork sucked so my tone away from my guitar, otherwise it was decent as a bass simulator. My digitech multifx rp255 did a better job actually.
@@andyjm7122 I'm currently using the MXR Poly Blue, which is a def improvement on the Pitchfork's bypass issues.
I always had the EHX in a true bypass looper, so I could remove it from the chain when not in use.
2:26 man that was smooth
I'm repeatedly impressed by tc electronic pedals. The sub n up seems to be another gem
Never thought I'd hear Dan playing Rage, especially not on a Gretsch!!! I like it. I've been happily rocking the Sub 'n' Up for a couple of weeks now, and love it!
I died laughing at the "Spinal Tap!" reference! Hahaha. Spot on.
EHX has the HOG which has a 5th, and an octave+5th and a octave+3rd
The EHX Pitch Fork www.ehx.com/products/pitch-fork offers a lot of different intervals too.
2 Octaves and the 3rd, on mine that slider is usually all the way down.
Boss has the armonizer.
Great show as always! That Grestch is beautiful by the way :)
Mick's Jam around 20:40 was absolutely brilliant!
The quint has a 5th to simulate organ drawbars which offer perfect 5th intervals in addition to octaves
So interesting. I look at comment sections for nuggets of info like that. I wouldn't have actually noticed that other than subconsciously. Nor have I ever considered that organs can produce a perfect 5th overtone, yet now I can't believe I missed that.
Really miss that gretsch. Sounds awesome!
Great episode as always. Please do the octave fuzz episode soon! :)
28:00 So much genuine joy made my day
Wow - That POG 2. I will bet . . . you could ( probably ) play: Styx "Blue Collar Man" or Yes "Parallels" on guitar with the Pog 2.
Two High Powered MASSIVE ORGAN Sounds.
OC-3 into a dirt pedal/dirty amp beats any of the digital sub octavers in my experience. It's feels a lot more direct. Love that pedal.
Alan Angel but it’s digital too!
Wonderful show, as always. I would like to make a request for a future episode on the use of octave pedals as a signal split and placing different effects on the dry and octave signals (different delay times, overdrives, chorus etc). In the early 90's I caught Grant Lee Buffalo (Americana 3 piece) performing live on a Radio 1 show and when Grant Lee went into his solo the bass player used an octave pedal and drive on the upper octave to fill in the frequency gap left by the soloing guitar. Worked a treat and a technique I've used sparingly since.
i could watch you guys all day everyday
Where is all the Walrus? The Luminary is one of the best octave generators out there
The Boss OC2 and OC3 are very different. OC2 has a divider which turns on and off your signal in alternating waveforms to produce a very particular kind of 1 or 2 octave down. The OC3 is like the Pog2, It's a digital re-synthesis of your sound.
+Edward Jones yes, I was just using the OC3 on OC2 mode to demonstrate what the OC2 sounded like. I explained the difference between analog octave triggering and digital recreation as well
I saw that bit, it was a good explaination! Perhaps the only glaring
omission I saw to the lineup was the MXR Blue Box with it's 2 octaves
down square wave output. I'm sure there's a toneprint for that, though.
Edward Jones yeah, Edward! Curse you and all of your, like, knowledge and stuff! 😂
That beautiful Gretsch sounds considerably better with it's natural sound.
Please feature it again in later shows.
You guys have already cost me a fortune in new gear - keep up the good work!
Dan's Rage at the beginning, love it! On a Semihollow Gretsch no less, perfect. Can't wait till we hear that beaut's story
Now if you sold an Edmond VonHolen T shirt I'd buy that!
I'll buy one
With the "all on" part, surely the frequency response of the amp and cabs limit the effect. The day someone tries stacking several octave pedals and jams through a full range system with a giant sub will be the day the brown note is discovered and everyone within half a mile sh... You get the idea.
Brown Note….😂
Love octavers, the Corrie theme rocked 😁
I loved this show. Some of those lines Mick was playing on the micro POG reminded me of those cool Dixie Dregs tutti sections. Dan's Gretch is one of the most beautiful-looking guitars I have ever seen. The combination of that beautiful top with the classy sides and binding, and those sweet fret markers just looks awesome (and it sounds great!). I wonder if Mick wasn't on the right track with the fifth setting on the T-Rex - set it subtle for a 3rd harmonic-ish effect. Thanks for the great program, guys; you were both obviously having a blast!
Hi guys!... Even if I'm a bass player, I learn so much from your show!.... BUT!... :-)
Do you have a mate/bass player as fun as you to join the show?...
Thank you so much for your passion!....
Yes!
27:30 Dan is always a sucker for flanger
does anyone knwo which toneprint he used to get that? I went through every single one currently on the app and couldnt find that same sound.
Hey guys. Just an idea suggestion for a future show.
How about an "introductory info" show that focuses on detailing and explaining the basics of pedal technology for those of us who are newer to effects? It's great to pull out individual pedals and hit upon the end result of what that individual pedal will and won't do for your tone and how it'll react with various signal chain configurations and profiles, but how about hitting the broader focus of why and how certain pedal types function in the first place? For example, go into what the difference between silicon and germanium diodes do and why, or what "bucket brigade" means when a particular chorus pedal advertises uses the term. In short, devote a show to clearing up the geeky basics of electrical engineering and explaining how those basics will determine how you can get a basic understanding of what a particular pedal might sound like and be capable of even if you've never heard it in action.
As a Gretsch/Filtertron player, thank you so much for using said instrument...!
Different pick ups react to different pick ups and the filtertron is a niche largely forgotten among the single coil and the humbucker brigade
Could you do a video on attenuators or dialling in a good tone at low bedroom volumes? Taaaa
Look into resistor-based attenuators which do a good job a creating a reactive load, like the Rivera RockCrusher. Personally, I plan to go with a true reactive load via the Weber MASS III. To avoid putting undue stress on your amp, do not use an attenuator to bring a gunned amp down to bedroom volume: use the attenuator to bring the “it is alive” volume down to tolerable levels.
Definitely the most successful "all on" yet. Now I just need to go change...
thank you, this finally explained the differences in dept.
I had an ART DR-X rack multi effects processor back in the early 90's. It did the 5th thing that the T-Rex does. I never used it really, but it was there 25 years ago.
I wanna hear each and every one of these pedals through a Korg Miku.
I think you'd like my channel. 😉
Mick really gets the hang of it halfway through. I recently got a micro POG. What about that sound Slash gets in Velvet Revolver's "Slither"?
Good to see a recent comment Yeah thinking in a Micro Pog Can you get a good clean but fatter tone w mix low Of course w touch of delay and whatnot but looking for ways to change up my clean tone The MP would be easy changing up to different sounds on the fly. Thanks
@@paulcowart3174 I don't know I didn't think of using it clean but I'm more of a rhythm player. In other news, looks like Slash is in drop-D for "Slither".
I’ve been looking at octave pedals to create the bass guitar while playing guitar when recording. This is the best video and the first one I actually watch through the whole end.
I use 2 amps for it
Have the octave pedal running through one and the rest of it through another. It's bloody mental
Thanks for doing more Gretsch, more filtertrons guys; really appreciate hearing these in addition to the usual variety of single coils and humbuckers. Some great sounds as usual and some inspirational ideas too; taa.Since you already verged on it in this video with the T-Rex Quint, how about an episode looking at harmonisers and their practical application in non-vomit-inducing ways?
That POG 2 is Jon Lord and Blackmore combined in one pedal. What's not to like??
Did I just hear the Crossroads theme tune Mick?!
You did indeed. First thing I played with my POG too - must be an age thing...
Nice Gretsch!!! My favorite pedal of those octavers is the EHX POG2. (I haven't heard it on keyboards yet, but it sounds nice and it seems fun to play the guitar with it too).
Great video guys! (as per usual) I've been waiting for something like this for a while and I thoroughly enjoyed it! Have to ask though, why didn't you guys include the Earthquaker Devices Organizer and/or Tentacle and the Walrus Audio Luminary? Would've been sweet to see your thoughts on them and how they stand up to the other pedals
All the octave pedals on: Trent Reznor finds out about doom metal.
So much Gretsch this Friday!
i assume you're refering to the guitar paridiso video lol
That beginning riff and smile doe!
LOL 2:26!! And the look on Mick's face afterward. I literally LOL'd!
feel free to post your dogs reactions to the whammy pedal below
I like my wha. I like my mommy ! And I like my Whammy !
haggai samuelson hahaha my Dog is running in Circles just in that moment Mick makes some crazy noise....
When I clicked on this video I did NOT expect Dan playing Rage Against The Machine on a Gretsch. I guess you never know with these guys.
+Jukka Pesonen Come got the Octave, stay for the Rage! :0)
+Jukka Pesonen For - for the octave. Sorry!
Exactly!
Gretsch Against The Machine ?
yes Daniel!!! way to kick it off!!!!
+Teddy Kumpel ah, cheers mate, hope you’re amazing :)
you guys never fail to amaze :D