Bear VS 45-70 Machined Bullet
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Thoughts on PITa?
trash
This isn’t about pita but I can’t find your videos on full30
I've been hunting for food for 40 years, As long as you eat the Bear that's cool, but I don't believe in any kind of trophy hunting.
My nephew has a Henry he like's it alot but, I think I still prefer the old Marlins.
I wish Marlin's QC was as it was in my day, but I hear it's getting better.
bluesman1063 hunting for food is bad. We should only grow our meat at super market freezers it comes out of no where. Bears are indangered species u cant hurt them.
It's a solid flatbread
I find it really irritating when UA-cam shows ads on demonetized videos. Their ethics seem to stop at “oh - we can still make money off this content - just the content creator can’t.”
That's what communist do.
And that's why I have an Ad Blocker installed...for free. I never see ANY ads on here. Life is sweet without those mundane ads!
@@getsum697 Which one you using?
@@roflstomps324 I use the BRAVE browser and I downloaded from their app site for free...works great!
Fb..should NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO PURCHASE U TUBE..ITS AN ASSAULT AGAINST OUR FREE SPEECH ..THE MEDIA IS EVIL
Thanks for going over the malfunction....I've had this happen in Wyoming in a very sketchy ordeal in grizzly country. After living there for 7 years I learned quickly that depending on your ammo is EVERYTHING
I love a 45-70. Been hunting with a Marlin 45-70 for almost 40 years now. Bought it used for $200 back then, and it has never let me down. Enjoyed you're vid by the way.
Too much B.S.
@@karlmarx6487 How so?
That was 15 minutes I'll never get back
Quick tip for fixing that Henry loading problem with the Hornadys. I had the same issue, if you spin the tube back and forth while pushing it down (180 degrees to the left 180* to right, rinse and repeat) it will go down no problem!
Sounds good but I've never tried it. Thanks 😊 for your help
This works on my Henry also
I was talking to my brother last night about the 45-70 in Modern Warfare and now there's this on my recommend list......
They're listening.
Scary shit, making me want a zipper for my mouth or get rid of these damn machines
Collin Manning yup.
Absolutely they are.
Just out of curiosity, do you have an Alexa or was your phone near?
Its not the NSA that's spying on us, it's fucking Google so they can sell directed advertising.
Short Story,
My brother, father and I went on a bear hunt in Montana. Where it was free range hunting. My brother shot a black bear in the chest about 25-30yds with a 7mm-magnum. The bullet exited the bear’s left side. We tracked it for over a mile through some of the roughest Montana mountains. There was a spot we found where the bear had rested against a huge pine tree. And in fact. Packed it’s wound with dirt. At this point, I realized bear are very tough. And pretty smart.
i shot one with a 30-06 about 80 yards max. gave it 15 min and grabbed the 45-70. after tracking it for a wile in thick thick brush i thought to my self this seams like the spot i began.... the dang thing double back on me then went to the truck. good thing my buddy was on the road. shot and missed at 100. it went in to the bush again and went parallel with the truck.... then crossed the road to get behind me. all i heard was the first shot so i looked up to see this 300+ pound bear wounded coming right at me hahahha so i popped it in the chest and it dropped just to crawl with what ever it had left to get me hahahahah my buddys first hunt and it was a bear. pretty sweet if you ask me. so yea there tough as iron. wish the grizzle hunt ban would get lifted in my area.
Hard to beat the 4570 for dangerous game
coady 4570 no you didn’t, you are a liar and you and your “buddy” were just out smoking meth and tugging each other off
Dylan Leaman Anderson are you well? What makes you doubt his story instead of giving benefit of the doubt
7GEREZ Can you tell me how you know the bear packed it’s own wound with dirt please? Did you find its lost phone with bear selfies on it? 😁 Half taking the piss here.....
The "Quadrilateral of Family Friendliness" is the funniest thing ive seen all day!
I lived in New Brunswick most of my life and it was some of the best bear and moose hunting I have ever experienced.. sure miss it...
what caliber was used for bears?
I used 308 win , 12ga slug , 303, for the most part. Started useingv45/70 about 10 years ago .
Why don't you hunt no more ??
Or did you move away ??
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@@derekcroft2055 had to leave the province to find work . Still hunt hard lol .
Loved my marlin sbl 45-70. I shot HSM bear load.... and the occasional 500 gr hand cast...
Lmao Tim wells knocked a bear down with a damn blow gun
I'm from New Brunswick, and I can confirm the back country skeeters were terrible that year. Long winter meant nonfood for the birds in the spring, and many died off. When the bugs finally came there wasn't enough birds to eat them all. If I wasn't packing extra beer and bbq weight, they would of carried me off
Haha
My Henry came with a Skinner peep sight!! What little scope do you have on your rifle??
Shoots +P makes him giggle every time and he says much to his displeasure... Yeah!? PUH-Lease! He loved it!
45-70 ain't no joke.
I have a question. You said you were going to hunt in Canada. Do you have your Canadian pal or rpal? Or is there another way for an American to legally bring a rifle into Canada?
Even if you can not get a shot you are satisfied. That is hunting. Thanks for sharing
Hit with a .30-30 and seen the next year? Where did they hit it and which ammo load was it?
People who make bad shots inflate old myths about animals toughness to shift blame to their equipment. Grizzlys and their "impenetrable skull plate", hogs and their "armored shoulder", etc. How did an old .50 cal round ball ever kill these critters years ago?
Bears aren’t squishy. They’re quite cuddly and squeezable. Just wanna give them a big hug
Nice you went to the Gun Dealer as well. Welcome to New Brunswick.
Where can we see the video of the results of that load on the bear ?
Can you hunt with Silencers in Canada? Are you allowed to carry a .44 or a 10rd 10mm ?
Thanks for the shout out! Give us a heads up next time your up this way and we'll hit the range.
yah i was surprised to find him come to NB
@@thecrimsonops lol yeah I was surprised to run into him at Faulkner's
FPs doesn't mean crap, what barrel length did they test the ammo in. I have had a Marlin 45-70 SS since 76, have shot a lot of handloads, some of the powder doesn't burn before bullet exits the barrel!
Mine is the same way. Dremel with polish bit to the inside of the mag tube
That's why God put the King's loading gate on all worthy lever actions!
Bear hunting was fun, but I was happy to just go.
The VSO Gun Channel Do you have uncensored pics on social media?
That scoped octagonal barrel was a beauty
I've never seen a squishy bear in the wild.
Why are you trying to put the bullets in upside down? How do you plan on shooting the gun? I shot a 45 /70 Henery and have never had a problem. The tube of the Herny easily fits
over the case. I reload 100 % of my rounds you must crimp each case to keep the bullet from creeping in the case upon discard of the rifle.
I want my 15 minutes back. This is the only bear hunting video I’ve seen with no bear hunting.
What are your thoughts on the X model 45-70 compared to the all weather 45-70 you used in this video?
The great northern mosquito is many times taken lightly before its actually experienced
That thing flashes like a Krinkoff! A 45 70 lever action is definitely on my list.
hmm, i havent noticed that problem with the hornaday ammo in my henry rifle, but if it hangs up at all while pushing the mag shut a slight rotating jiggle usually unsticks any tube mag issues i have without having to force them, same works with my grandads 80 year old 22 rifle
I am glad I listened to the whole video
In Maine we judge bears by their ear size. A huge bear has little Oreo sized ears while a little 100 pounders ears look big compared to his head.
I'm a photographer and I've been to Bangor and seen Paul Bunyan countless times. At your video time stamp 4:54, if you would have taken one or two steps to your left and taken a picture, it looks like Paul Bunyan is sticking up his middle finger. That's because the handle of the peavey in his left hand is lined up with his right hand. It's a pretty common local joke. Oh and I do believe that is the tallest Paul Bunyan statue.?
Great video. Thank you for sharing.
Spin the tube mag as you run it down and you won’t have issues.
Tallest PB is in Klamath Ca standing 49 feet tall the 4 others in North America are 31 ft tall :) love the content brother keep it up! .444 marlin is one of my favorite cartridges followed closely by the .45/70 it's a absolute blast thump stuff with!
Always been a little on the fence about whether or not I should buy this rifle but now I'm 100% set on getting one
Simple, use Marlin rifles !
Guide Gun!
Lol, I'll take a 50 year old savage or winchester over a new marlin anyday
@Dave Alexander Actually I have a XLR JM stamp 45-70 and the new GBL I got a couple of years ago. The first run of Rems where terrible. The new ones are awesome. I got the GBL for $450 brand new. If you know how to use a 1895 I could unload the tube without cycling the action. All you do is push in the bullet stop and the there you go!!
@Dave Alexander Thank you for the kind words!
Marlin 1895 SBL all day long.
While I have always admired The Henry rifle's fit and finish, and like their general appearance, the tube loading is a dealbreaker for me.
My first centerfire rifle, purchased with a G.I. check, in 1975, was a Marlin 336. This was one of their premium rifles. The quality of the wood, the bluing of the metal parts and general fit and finish, are nowhere to be found in Remlin's rifles, on the market today.
I have handled a Henry rifle in the Scheels in Billings, MT. The quality reminded me of the quality of the Marlin I bought min 1975.
I just don't appreciate the logic behind including a feature that was made obsolete by John Moses Browning in the 1870s. I can tolerate this tube on a Marlin MDL 60, 22LR, but on a highish powered centerfire rifle, I find it anachronistic. In fact, I consider it a flaw. A flaw on what would be a pretty desirable rifle w/o this idiotic feature. A glaring flaw on a fairly expensive rifle.
As a Henry owner, I kinda agree. Tube loading is pretty dangerous, IMO. Reeeeaaaly hard to maintain muzzle control when sticking your hand right in front of the muzzle at weird angles. Plus, no chance of topping off or easy loading.
The new Henry rifles all have gates though. I might consider swapping mine out for that reason.
Same reason I skipped the Henry and went with a Marlin, at the time there was no loading gate option, I don't care for tube loading especially in the field, very easy to drop ammo etc. in the dirt and hard not to point the rifle at part of you. I like to be able to keep the ammo easily topped off, you never know when your hunting rifle could become your self defense rifle when out in the field.
If your not aware they make side gate loading models now. I have one in 45-70 and it’s awesome. Still have the option to load with the tube. I use the tube to unload the gun instead of having to cycle all the rounds.
I have the Henry H010 steel and it runs the Hornady with zero problems
Hornady Brass is also about an 8th of an inch shorter to allow that tipped bullet to fit the OAL specs in lever guns. I found this out when I tried to re-load the brass for my Marlin. I found that Speer 300gr Hollowpoints kill Whitetails like lightning.
It's not just Henry. It's been common for Marlin 45-70's to jam as well. I was under the impression it was the edge of the feeding gate catching the rim.
Never understood why Henry has that tube load feature? It is not classic lever gun at all!! What compels them to make those things?
We had trouble with hornady 45-70 lever action cases splitting
Shot hundreds out of a marlin 1895 with no issues. Prefer barnes 300 GN rounds though.
The new side loading Henry must have eliminated the problem you had with the Hornady Leverevolution ammo. No problems with my JM Marlin guide gun, and I find it very accurate.
Looked like he could’ve had reloads with FTX projectiles with standard length brass cases. LeverEvolution ammo cases are about .050” shorter than normal SAAMI spec 45/70 ammo.
I just checked the several brands of 45-70 ammo I have on hand. The "lip" on the Hornady ammo is less pronounced than on the Federal I have and is the same on the Remington and Winchester ammo, so that appears to be more to do with the Henry loading tube than ammunition in general the Lehigh seems to be the exception rather than the rule, I've not had issues in my Marlin 1895 with any of them.
@@vanparker2161leverlution jammed my loading gate twice on the x model bullet would get stuck half way out of the tube
Man, I really like that refile. Those bullets look gnarly.
Love the 45-70... Never even thought of putting any kind of scope on it. always just open sights for the last 20 years. Hmmm. might consider a red dot though maybe. take a lot of re-learning though.
The quietest animal in the forest is the bear, the lion, and the deer.
I have hunted all three and I think the bear is the stealthiest critter in the woods.
Looked to be a good time, thanks for sharing.
No solo hunting cats are considerably more stealthy. Jaguar, leopard, panther, etc.
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 find many jaguar in the woods?
@@diesel5355 Jaguar typically live in jungle.. so yes.
@@diesel5355 had no idea they do a good 4x4 off road.
How much chamber pressure do these rounds put out?
Do you think 30 30 not a good round for black bear?
"...UA-cam would have an absolute cow..."
😅🤣😂
VSO I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for producing useful and interesting videos!
I really enjoyed the video, Its nice to hear someone talk about proper shot placement on bears, 100% agree with you. Interesting I have been playing with a Marlin 1895 cowboy here in Alberta, and it does not like to feed Hornady Leverevolution into the chamber, loads alright into the tube but when I go to chamber, jams up on the lip just like you showed with your tube. The other ammo point I found interesting was how you grouped tighter with +p ammo, I reloaded a bunch of 405gr flat nose ammo and the higher the velocity the better my rifle liked it setting out at 1950fps for a nice 1/2 inch group at 100, really happy I put a nice recoil pad because it really helps and makes shooting those rounds enjoyable.
That's got to be the nicest gun ever hands down
That’s the mild one, now go get the 45-110 😂
That Henry is a great lookin rifle. I can’t afford one but they’re sure nice.
Randle Richardson about $650 where i live for. .45-70 henry
I really want one but I'm in California and pickings are slim right now.
... maybe I was born under a lucky star ... never had any jamming or malfunction issues with the factory 325 grain Hornady FTX factory ammo in my Marlin 1895GS ... that tube feed is great for a .22LR ... nuff said😁
I have a Henry 45-70 and also have that same ammo and mine hangs up as well.
My Henry 44 mag will certainly get locked up if you have the lever open when you load the tube, but it's easily fixed by unscrewing the lever and pulling it out you can see the round and poke it back up the tube with a plastic chamber flag or equal to it.
I shot a bear with a flatnose 210 grain 30,06 . Directly in the heart as she stood on her hind legs 15 yards from me. I found her 200 yards away under a ton of brush.
Tough as nails.
I'm watching that stock dig 4 inches into your shoulder every shot.
Those shells are no joke
Those Henry’s are awesome rifles! I want! I currently own a original “JM” 1895 Marlin guide gun aka: Pre-“Marlington” (pers (Remington owned and poorly manufactured) rifle. I used it quite a bit for black bears and a few big Russian boars. It hits them all hard. My rifle doesn’t like the 300 gr bullets as it’s really not as accurate. The 405gr loads which I prefer anyways, is extremely accurate. I can’t wait to get a Henry in .45-70 and one in .44mag.
I'm kind of a novice shooter, compared to yourself and I know people load/reload their own cartridges. I have not seen before where a bullet looked as intact as the one you showed us. Would it be possible to reload that same bullet and use it again? I think it would either damage the barrel significantly or have bad accuracy. Is it the spiraling on the sides that engages with rifling? I don't know much about fluted bullets.
On occasion you might (i stress might) be able to get away with a "reload" of a slug in a shotgun but not a rifle. The tolerances are simply to tight. And yes the bottm ribbing is what engages the rifling
Love your t-shirt!!! Where did you get it?? I have a Henry lever in the .45-70!! Love it!! I shoot the Hornady LEVEREVOLUTION .325 grn. 2050fps. I haven’t tried any other ammo. Love the seafood too!!!!! Thanks for the great video!!! Cheers brother!!!!🇺🇸
I can't believe that guy never noticed his bullets was hanging up before the hunting trip
He just wanted to use the fancy bullets....
My thoughts as well, did he not sight the rifle in for that round if he was going to use it?
Love the muzzle flash!
Bet you're upset you didn't take that day 1 bear. Remember the first rule of hunting.
Very interesting! I always wondered about that ammunition. Very interesting to see how little deformation even the rock caused. I searche for, but couldn't find this video on Full30. Does it have a different title on there or is the search engine just that bad?
I'll never get my 15 minutes back, watch a hunting video with no hunting in it. Baloney.
What optic did you use..?????
i guess youtube likes bears
My Henary i can get 5 rounds in the tube and 1 on the chanbber and if it hits on the tune rod i just work it in and it does fine so my Henary works fine with 6 rounds total
Newfoundland is a half hour ahead of that. If it's 12:00 in NYC, It's 13:30 in St. John's, Newfoundland.
Dude you are lucky you weren’t mistaken for a bear! Glad you made it back from CommuCanada!
Yall got to squeeze the shoulder harder for dem big boys. It can be harder to aim but saves ya shoulder.
need to change the follower in that rifle and you can use the Hornady ammo. the Hornady case is actually a different length than flat nose 45-70 ammo. i had to do that and now it works perfectly. the crazy part is, it worked fine during the sight in, then jammed after shooting a deer. luckily i didn't need a follow up shot
Which Xtreme Hunter bullet for the 4570 was used the 325 Greiner that was my guess because of the Velocity you stated they also make a 265 Greiner
The Hornady round is quite impressive too.
Yeah but that lip will make me not buy it. Sometimes its the little things u know?
I just found your channel, thanks for the effort. I'm a huge 45-70 fan (Marlin 1894SBL). I have skinner sights but am curious, what is the make/model of the aimpoint style sight you have on your Henry? How do you like it's performance in the field? Thank you in advance and again, thanks for the effort with the video.
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Concerning the issues with uncrimped ammo, Henry does not recommend Hornady Leverevolution and unfortunately they only listed a couple ammo brands to shoot throught this model, one being Federal's line which is good enough for me. I also reload so I can control the tolerance at the crimp (H010). My issue wasn't so much the loading tube, but the shell carrier getting gouged up inside the action. Henry sent me a new one, reluctantly, so I didn't have to send my rifle in and now I just use Federal or reloads. If you can live with that the rifle is excellent.
The Federal Hammerdown I have has a more pronounced lip than any other ammo brands I have in 45-70, despite being called premium and having the nickel plated cases. It all works fine in my Marlin. Interesting Henry doesn't recommend the Hornady ammo.
@@fiveowaf454 well that's exactly it....it's an issue that needs addressing I think because the Leverevolution was the best shooting ammo that I ran through the rifle with a slightly better velocity and made by one of the best ammo companies in the business. I gather they don't recommend it because of the carrier issue I described.
@@bigriver3278 Based on my own ammo collection I'd expect the issue to be prevalent with many ammo brands/types as they have the lip too.
@@fiveowaf454 Yeah they only recommended like two makes of ammo (believe it or not!)....one being Federal which is another high performer that I like to use, so that's what I stick with unless I'm reloading my own cartridges which I can control the crimp and use whatever components I like including Leverevolution bullets.
Better luck next time brother!!! Good video!!!
The problem is a design flaw from Henry's magazine system. The Hornady bullets dont have feed problems in other arms of a different manufacturer
the hornady with the soft tip hangs up on every tube load gun I have tried. never a problem with a side load gate.
Sooory you didn't get a bear there eh? (being Canadian, felt I should throw in a little Canuck speak). It looks like my fellow Canadians took good care you and hopefully you had fun. When International Sportsman turns into a big deal, we'll take you out again and get you the bear you deserve. Great video, thanks.
Just picked up a Henry all weather 45-70 today. Nice video!
Those thermocells are nice. I’ve got the old style
What sight are you running?
Thanks for sharing your adventure. Looks like one hell of a good time.
Whoever thought up thermacell deserves a Nobel peace Prize
Have fired 500 grain, solid lead projectiles from an original 1873 Springfield before and that will get your attention.
I don’t have that problem with my 2013 Henry 45-70 as far as the ammo in the Hornady Lever Evolution.
What guide service did you use in New Brunswick?
Yeah man, I'm about lever actions and eating my way through my travels.
Were bolt actions allowed? What kind of restrictions are there on weapons you can use?
What?! You can hunt with bolt guns, lever actions, shotguns, muzzleloaders. You can't hunt with hand guns or restricted firearms like ar-15s.
You won't notice the recoil when a bear is charging down on you or anyone else
Hi everyone, I have two questions, one out of simple curiosity and one more technical: about Hornady bullets and the fact that the collar of the cartridge case hits the magazine tube; this small defect is found only on the Hornady redtip? how do other types of bullets go to train on target? going to touch up the inlet of the tank as a little flaring maybe eat the bullets better? I live in Italy and machined bullets have a certain cost to go to the shooting range. the other question more out of curiosity, how does bear hunting work? do you go to Canada with your gun and can you hunt freely? do you have to pay something? for example, can I take a trip from Italy and hunt game freely? greetings to you from Italy and happy new year.
Looks like everyone had fun, thanks for bringing us along. God Bless.