Mine also did not have any shims preinstalled. I used mine for over a week, starting at 5 and ending up at 1A. Even at the finest setting I was still getting about 50 grams out at 20 seconds. Added a shim yesterday and now I’m at a 5D with 33 grams out at about 29 seconds with plenty of space to adjust.
I tried a new bean this week and for some reason this bean needs a finer setting. After maxing out both fine setting I still needed more to get the right extraction. I have noticed that different beans and roasts require a pretty big range of grinder settings. I’ve had my 270wi for 15 months. I’ll be installing my shims today and see how it goes. It came with two. Thanks for the video!
this is very true. it's actually very difficult to engineer large range adjustments into any grinder, that's why most only rotate 40-60% of a full rotation. Thanks for watching!
Thank you. Have read that initially after four weeks it may be necessary to install shims. Aside from setting the grinder setting ring, mine was off, did not allow unit turning on, it has worked quite well.
yeah, that's the sensor that prevents the outer burr from spinning without the inner burr "in place." Makes sense though. after enough vibration, things loosen up and settle, so you put the shims in to bring back to spec.
This is an espresso grinder. Never seen another UA-cam channel saying it needs to be modded. I’ve been using this for espresso with unpressurized baskets and getting perfectly timed shots. This machine does not need to be modded for espresso
It will (kinda) work without the mod; however, you can dial in much finer grinds with the mod, and take advantage of the espresso grind settings. Check “Whole Latte Love” UA-cam channel about this grinder. They too mention the shim mod to get finer grinds.
I have to disagree - I'm right at the end of the scale to get the right grind for my espresso. Having some more flexibility to go finer would be excellent.
Mine came pre-shimmed with one shim. When I started using it, the espresso range was near 4-5 which created clumps,. I installed the 2nd shim in a week after purchase, and this moved it to 9-10. Now, after using it for almost a year, the espresso range got back to 3-4, and I don't know whether I should install a 3rd shim or that would be bad!
This was very helpful. Never knew about the shim kit but I ordered one and have just installed it. Don’t understand why they would ship it without the ability to grind fine enough for espresso? Anyway thanks.
glad you liked it. Well, of I can get my hands on a Kopi Deva, we sure will! However, it's not so available in our country right now. In the meantime, we posted an unboxing of the Timemore 123 Go grinder and brew system earlier today at ua-cam.com/video/uW2__hJ67FM/v-deo.html When the full review comes for that, we'll do a comparison with the Sette for sure. Stay subscribed!
I have been experiencing the Micro adjustment slipping while grinding towards the coarser side. If I have on G when I grind is halfway between the G and F. Eventually it travels all the way to I, If I do not put it back to G. Have you been experiencing this problem?
Yes! But it's taken years for it to happen. And after 5 years of using it multiple times a day, I chalked it up to standard wear and tear on moving parts. I have a small piece of tape holding it in place now.
Just to double check, after shimming you moved it from A 1 setting to A 5, is that correct? Also, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I was told to only change the settings while the machine is running. Thanks for the video.
Yes, that's correct. As for changing settings while the grinder is running, this is generally only for tightening the setting (more fine) and not so much with loosening. It's also much less applicable to zero-retention grinders like this one, since the reason you want to do that is for the event where maybe some coffee is still left in between the burrs, you don't squeeze them. This would put strain on your gear set and eventually break the machine. Running the grinder allows the machine to break down those coffees during the tightening process.
Strange. I've had this grinder for over 8 months and grind espresso only, and it's been perfect without the shims. I typically find a grind around the 5 - 6 is great depending on the bean. If i put it on 4 it just chokes the machine as it's way way too fine.
I got a sette 270 in winter 2018 and used it exclusively for espresso out of the box. Roughly one year later, something must have shifted and I could no longer grind fine enough for espresso even at the finest setting. I had to get a shim. So far I have not needed another.
@@Nazareth434 I have the Gaggia too and I’m on setting 5 and I’m still pouring out in 13-15 seconds. Is there something extra you do in your shot prep?
bought sette 30 ap and at #11 settings my shot was at 40g out 30sec with 19g of dosing and 12bar of pressure . it chokes the machine at #9 settings. And I havent installed the shims that came with it.
Those newer AP burrs are great. Built specifically for espresso. You're probably going to need to make dose adjustments though, drop your grams to 18-point-something.
@@HoneycombManila iv tried that but me and my wife likes 19g , we plit it in to two 😁. Taste and the body us just exact for us on a 180ml cup. By the way, i start my timer as soon as i pull the lever.
I had to install this shim almost on the brand new Sette270, although others say they needed to install it after some kg of beans grinded and burrs 'settled in' In any case, it is an espresso grinder)
You shouldn't unless it's worn down, you're trying to do turkish, or Scott's experimental ultra fine, high extraction espresso shots. From the title I thought it was gonna be about the Sette 30 since basically no one complains about the 270 for its espresso grind, and most complaints are towards build quality and durability. Video maker obviously doesn't know much about espresso considering he just directly tamped a puck with a mound in the middle.
in terms of grind size? Probably more precise coz of the stepless second adjustment ring. Though I have used the Eureka, I've not done a side by side. But I prefer the 270 coz of it's conical burrs and coz it's pretty much zero retention if you're using it properly.
Yes, in the last 2 months or so, Baratza actually split their line to be filter and espresso, instead of this Omni setup. However, there's still a lot of good value to Abe had from these older units, even second hand.
I have. Even before modifying, it's too fine for a chemex. for V60, it's perfect because of the particle distribution. I think of it sometimes as a "mini EK-43" or a "Budget Niche Zero" because of its flexibility and low retention.
It should fit under any thing over 16 inches, but you should be sure to include clearance so that you can still load it with coffee easily. I'd say, look for at least 20 inches clearance.
Honestly, Ive not tried the df64, and I have what I believe to be a decent reason as to why. It's from a company that's really unable to provide a lot of support, which is the main reason why I've not purchased one. Support for these kinds of coffee machines is really important because when you're dealing with heat and pressure and mechanical grinding, you're usually operating at the peak tolerance of the engineering. And when you're doing that, things do run the risk of breaking. Personally, I'd pay an extra Php5K just to be sure that my machine will be serviced and supported, and because of the white-label nature of the df64, I just don't feel that confidence. Even if you don't have a machine distributor and support in your area, Baratza will sell you every part, down to the motors and PCB with instructions on how to fix it yourself. The only thing they won't sell a replacement for is the chassis.
That truly is a good point! Other than performance, customer service and after sales are huge factors esp for home baristas like me who aren’t machine savvy. 😅 ur video and reply has me leaning towards the sette 270. Thank you! But can this machine also work for single dosers like me? Prolly one of the reasons why I had put the df64 into consideration also. Or do u have other grinder recos for that? Thank you so much for noticing my query! Keep up with ur videos guys!
did you ever had problems with static coffee grinds on with that grinder? Because I have mine now for a week and I have a lot of problems with static grinds. Do you have any solutions?
What? Maybe it can't do espresso, but it's great for V60 right out of the box. They have maybe half a dozen models that do V60 only, so why design one more product that does the same thing as everything else?
I think one thing that will clear all of the comments up...newer Sette 270s are coming pre shimmed. :) Good video. Thanks for sharing!
As not aware of this! thanks for the update, friend! ⚡⚡⚡
Not all of em. I just received mine yesterday directly from Baratza and I had to shim it.
Mine also did not have any shims preinstalled. I used mine for over a week, starting at 5 and ending up at 1A. Even at the finest setting I was still getting about 50 grams out at 20 seconds. Added a shim yesterday and now I’m at a 5D with 33 grams out at about 29 seconds with plenty of space to adjust.
Just got one in today, and it wasn't
Mine 270WI, new-old stock, didn't have any shims installed, but they were included in the packaging.
I tried a new bean this week and for some reason this bean needs a finer setting. After maxing out both fine setting I still needed more to get the right extraction. I have noticed that different beans and roasts require a pretty big range of grinder settings. I’ve had my 270wi for 15 months. I’ll be installing my shims today and see how it goes. It came with two. Thanks for the video!
this is very true. it's actually very difficult to engineer large range adjustments into any grinder, that's why most only rotate 40-60% of a full rotation.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you. Have read that initially after four weeks it may be necessary to install shims. Aside from setting the grinder setting ring, mine was off, did not allow unit turning on, it has worked quite well.
yeah, that's the sensor that prevents the outer burr from spinning without the inner burr "in place." Makes sense though. after enough vibration, things loosen up and settle, so you put the shims in to bring back to spec.
This is an espresso grinder. Never seen another UA-cam channel saying it needs to be modded. I’ve been using this for espresso with unpressurized baskets and getting perfectly timed shots. This machine does not need to be modded for espresso
Thanks for your input! How many Baratza Sette units did you test? We tested 5 and found this mod to be necessary on 4.
It will (kinda) work without the mod; however, you can dial in much finer grinds with the mod, and take advantage of the espresso grind settings. Check “Whole Latte Love” UA-cam channel about this grinder. They too mention the shim mod to get finer grinds.
I have to disagree - I'm right at the end of the scale to get the right grind for my espresso. Having some more flexibility to go finer would be excellent.
I make espresso on my 270wi right from the box. I’ve never installed a shim. Works great.
Mine came pre-shimmed with one shim. When I started using it, the espresso range was near 4-5 which created clumps,. I installed the 2nd shim in a week after purchase, and this moved it to 9-10.
Now, after using it for almost a year, the espresso range got back to 3-4, and I don't know whether I should install a 3rd shim or that would be bad!
if you can't hear or feel the impact between the burrs, I'd say the third shim is safe
Instructions say there is a break in period and after a shim may be needed. That’s what happened on mine and 1 shim fixed it.
This was very helpful. Never knew about the shim kit but I ordered one and have just installed it. Don’t understand why they would ship it without the ability to grind fine enough for espresso? Anyway thanks.
I think that it does work for espresso with some machines, but not all.
Thanks for sharing this video, since I am thinking of what grinder I should get that is ideal for espresso. ☺️☺️☺️... Looking forward for more videos
Glad to help, Grace! just remember my points on how much stress a home grinder can take.
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thanks for the vid.
will there be another showdown comparing Kopi Deva and Baratza Sette?
Both are direct through chute design.
glad you liked it. Well, of I can get my hands on a Kopi Deva, we sure will! However, it's not so available in our country right now.
In the meantime, we posted an unboxing of the Timemore 123 Go grinder and brew system earlier today at ua-cam.com/video/uW2__hJ67FM/v-deo.html
When the full review comes for that, we'll do a comparison with the Sette for sure. Stay subscribed!
I really had the impression based on reviews that it is a very good choice for espresso right out of the factory...
it works fine on some baskets, but it doesn't have enough range. That's why they sell the shims.
I have been experiencing the Micro adjustment slipping while grinding towards the coarser side. If I have on G when I grind is halfway between the G and F. Eventually it travels all the way to I, If I do not put it back to G. Have you been experiencing this problem?
Yes! But it's taken years for it to happen. And after 5 years of using it multiple times a day, I chalked it up to standard wear and tear on moving parts. I have a small piece of tape holding it in place now.
Just to double check, after shimming you moved it from A 1 setting to A 5, is that correct? Also, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I was told to only change the settings while the machine is running. Thanks for the video.
Yes, that's correct.
As for changing settings while the grinder is running, this is generally only for tightening the setting (more fine) and not so much with loosening. It's also much less applicable to zero-retention grinders like this one, since the reason you want to do that is for the event where maybe some coffee is still left in between the burrs, you don't squeeze them. This would put strain on your gear set and eventually break the machine. Running the grinder allows the machine to break down those coffees during the tightening process.
Very informative, makes sense. Thanks.
@@HoneycombManila
yaaaa just what i was looking for... great videooooooo!!!!
thanks for watching!
Thanks for help i was wondering why
sure thing. thanks for watching!
Strange. I've had this grinder for over 8 months and grind espresso only, and it's been perfect without the shims. I typically find a grind around the 5 - 6 is great depending on the bean. If i put it on 4 it just chokes the machine as it's way way too fine.
interesting. what espresso machine and portafilter are you using?
@@HoneycombManila Breville Dual Boiler with the stock 58mm portafilter and unpressurised double basket
I got a sette 270 in winter 2018 and used it exclusively for espresso out of the box. Roughly one year later, something must have shifted and I could no longer grind fine enough for espresso even at the finest setting. I had to get a shim. So far I have not needed another.
Yup me to- Gaggia Classic Pro- The 2 setting woudl choke the machine- i was grinding on about 6-7 for espresso shots-
@@Nazareth434 I have the Gaggia too and I’m on setting 5 and I’m still pouring out in 13-15 seconds. Is there something extra you do in your shot prep?
bought sette 30 ap and at #11 settings my shot was at 40g out 30sec with 19g of dosing and 12bar of pressure . it chokes the machine at #9 settings. And I havent installed the shims that came with it.
Those newer AP burrs are great. Built specifically for espresso. You're probably going to need to make dose adjustments though, drop your grams to 18-point-something.
@@HoneycombManila iv tried that but me and my wife likes 19g , we plit it in to two 😁. Taste and the body us just exact for us on a 180ml cup. By the way, i start my timer as soon as i pull the lever.
the best coffee is the coffee you enjoy.
May I ask what espresso machine you are using in this video?
That's the Breville Dual Boiler
I had to install this shim almost on the brand new Sette270, although others say they needed to install it after some kg of beans grinded and burrs 'settled in' In any case, it is an espresso grinder)
That's interesting. So when you bought the grinder, you got the shims with it right away?
@@HoneycombManila Yes, they supplied 2 shims and hex screw in the box.
Just got mine today and it came with 2 shims and Allen wrench.
I can’t believe you need finer settings on this grinder
just for espresso!
@@HoneycombManila and then... What is this grinder for?
You shouldn't unless it's worn down, you're trying to do turkish, or Scott's experimental ultra fine, high extraction espresso shots.
From the title I thought it was gonna be about the Sette 30 since basically no one complains about the 270 for its espresso grind, and most complaints are towards build quality and durability.
Video maker obviously doesn't know much about espresso considering he just directly tamped a puck with a mound in the middle.
Is the 270 more or less precise than the eureka Notte?
in terms of grind size? Probably more precise coz of the stepless second adjustment ring. Though I have used the Eureka, I've not done a side by side. But I prefer the 270 coz of it's conical burrs and coz it's pretty much zero retention if you're using it properly.
I like this grinder BUT, the grinder is very noisy and I wondered if you have been able to address this issue. Thanks
It is quite loud, but it's honestly not much of a consideration for us since we're only really running it for 10 seconds at a time
Where can you buy that grinder in the ph?
El Kapitan (elkapitan.coffee/) is the exclusive distributor for Baratza in the Philippines. Thanks for watching!
I believe they sell burrs more suited for coarse grind.
Yes, in the last 2 months or so, Baratza actually split their line to be filter and espresso, instead of this Omni setup. However, there's still a lot of good value to Abe had from these older units, even second hand.
Just new here.
Bro, have you tried that for v60/chemex?
Thanks
I have. Even before modifying, it's too fine for a chemex. for V60, it's perfect because of the particle distribution. I think of it sometimes as a "mini EK-43" or a "Budget Niche Zero" because of its flexibility and low retention.
@@HoneycombManila what grind size you use?
I will use it to a newly open shop
Nice video. How tall is it in cm? Bit worried it will not fit under our overhead bench
It should fit under any thing over 16 inches, but you should be sure to include clearance so that you can still load it with coffee easily. I'd say, look for at least 20 inches clearance.
At its price range, I wonder how this would compare to a df64. Any thoughts and recommendations? :)
Honestly, Ive not tried the df64, and I have what I believe to be a decent reason as to why. It's from a company that's really unable to provide a lot of support, which is the main reason why I've not purchased one. Support for these kinds of coffee machines is really important because when you're dealing with heat and pressure and mechanical grinding, you're usually operating at the peak tolerance of the engineering. And when you're doing that, things do run the risk of breaking. Personally, I'd pay an extra Php5K just to be sure that my machine will be serviced and supported, and because of the white-label nature of the df64, I just don't feel that confidence.
Even if you don't have a machine distributor and support in your area, Baratza will sell you every part, down to the motors and PCB with instructions on how to fix it yourself. The only thing they won't sell a replacement for is the chassis.
That truly is a good point! Other than performance, customer service and after sales are huge factors esp for home baristas like me who aren’t machine savvy. 😅 ur video and reply has me leaning towards the sette 270. Thank you! But can this machine also work for single dosers like me? Prolly one of the reasons why I had put the df64 into consideration also. Or do u have other grinder recos for that?
Thank you so much for noticing my query! Keep up with ur videos guys!
nice done, know how to extend the grinder life longer
This, I don't know the answer to. The shorter life seems to have something to do with the plastic gear set it uses.
Thanks for sharing, It’s a great help.
Glad to help. thank you for watching!
Excellent! Thank you..MAde my night
🙏🙏 thanks for watching
did you ever had problems with static coffee grinds on with that grinder? Because I have mine now for a week and I have a lot of problems with static grinds.
Do you have any solutions?
not with all coffees and not in small doses. you can wet a spoon and stir the beans before grinding. that tiny bit of moisture will do the trick
The best in the market. It is.
Not sure about the best, but if you consider the price, it's really hard to beat.
I can't believe that they sell a espresso grinder that is not capable for making espresso or V60 immediately.
What? Maybe it can't do espresso, but it's great for V60 right out of the box. They have maybe half a dozen models that do V60 only, so why design one more product that does the same thing as everything else?
Mine was fine for espresso out of the box. Espresso range was around 7-8 originally
Sounds like burrs were rubbing?
No, it's just REALLY loud. makes that sound. It does that even at very coarse settings.
@@HoneycombManila I have one. You did move 5 clicks coarser. Thus, I believe you were getting burr touch. No matter.