Athlon 200GE Vs. G4560 Vs. 2200G - A New Budget King in 2018...?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- AMD's latest budget offering for the CPU lineup is the $55 (AUD $85) 2 Core 4 Threaded offering, that utilizes the same 14nm Ryzen Cores as the Ryzen 3 2200G and also Ryzen 5 2400G. Today we test Dota 2, CS:GO and also Far Cry 5, and the results are interesting....!
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I thought i got a bit lucky with the overclocking too, but it just doesent seem to tbe the case with this litle APU. Personally for me its kicked Intel out of the low end of the segment, as id much rather be on AM4 over 1151, especially if we're taking Pentium G4560. Still all value is lost when it comes to DDR4 Prices. Very nice review of the chip.
Couldn´t agree more, it is hands down an awesome buy if you are an an ultralow budget just to get a system running.
and the 220GE and 240GE should be out soon also.
There is enough sales for DDR4 that the pricing isn't really that bad
@@GrockleTD: 8GB Should cost £32, there is no shortage, and Samsung has even admitted to keeping an artificial demand...
I'm not paying £60 for what should cost half of that.
Budget-Builds Official true, that is why lga 1155 will be my favorite platform, i got a z77 motheeboard for just 70$ and it is very easy to find them at that price and the i5 3570k you can find it for as little as 80$ and not to mention i picked up a kit of 4x4gb ddr3 1600mhz for just 40$. It is a great chip but curently nothing will beat the 1155 platform
This is the cpu that lets Walmart sell pc's for $400 including monitor, keyboard and mouse. Or less.
When all you need is UA-cam/email/Facebook so Grandma can see pictures of the grandbabies, this type of thing is perfect.
Watching cat videos doesn't take a lot of power. This type of system lets people have brand new hardware, that is quiet and cheap to buy and run, on a modern OS that is decently secure.
I'd call it a win. We sometimes forget that for a VERY large percentage of "pc users', it's just an appliance.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Agreed!
agreed, but I'd also say this a good PC build for giving to your kid as well as they can game at 720p - 1080p(depending on the game), and when paired with an OS like Xubuntu that uses less resources where the AMD open source drivers are very well supported in the latest kernel updates you can squeak out bit more performance than on Windows 10, while also not worrying about all the Windows BS.
Cat videos 😭😭😭💀
I just use it for pussy videos as well.
Perfectly said, not everyone is a power user
That has to be the most savage box opening I have ever seen. :P
Glad someone noticed my efforts :P
@@techyescity Box doesn't make the CPU do the thing. Pretty much how I unbox processors :P
Was searching the comments to check if i was the only gentle weirdo in here. ^_^
This is going to be a budget champion for all the basic PC's sold in stores.
For some people the additional $45 for the 2200G just isn't feasible....
I know in markets in Russia and Turkey and Poland and Romania the price difference + higher taxes on the 2200G will make the 200GE a real gem for many.
A video should be done comparing this CPU with the previous budget king Athlon 860k! I built quite a few PC's using that chip and people used them for gaming for the past 4 or so years!
Russia too.200GE is so good for it's price,cause it will be a good placeholder for Zen 2 CPUs.
You talked about my country lol im from romania
Perfect for a budget build. Great video Bryan!
What is the cheapest motherboard for this CPU ? I need a dedicated PC hooked up to backup power to render animations. Doesn't matter how long it takes as long as the thing can run on a UPS for 2-3 hours.
it's a micro atx
Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H
Love the new intro. The timelapse of building it with your amazing music choices is just awesome.
That Athlon would be great for mini ITX media pc.
But we need cheap mini itx boards
@@felixgaffron8310 ☝️☝️☝️
A320 mobos?
@@arte5389 affordable itx a320 mobo
@@houghwhite411 but needs bios update.
Just order the T-Shirt, love supporting this channel, your help and advice is always invaluable, you just keep us all balling on a budget and it's very much appreciated Bryan. Best wishes.
Ryzen 2600 is only $149 usd that’s the best bangs for your bucks
no intergrated gpu
For an office build or something that just runs 24/7 silent and barely any heat created, this could be pretty awesome. Cheap and easy Minecraft server if you install Ubuntu on this.
@@theoneguy3131 if youre spending $150 on a APU youre doing something wrong.. only when you try to make a small/low power pc
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2400g is good for that price it’s 4c/8t and is capable of driving a very powerful gpu when you’re ready to upgrade
@@stebo5562 I wouldn't do that if I can get a r5 1600 for $100 and a 960 for $50 which is more powerful
I am glad they included silent cooler, lot of users will look for it and it makes a lot of sense as you cant overclock it anyway. Very good job AMD (from a long time intel i7 user).
There are a couple of other tech blogs I prefer, but I had seen them all and I watched this one as a place holder until something better came along.
I feel like if you need a placeholder cpu/gpu a 2200g is better since it will probably have a better resale value when you swap it out for a new cpu/gpu and better performance in the mean time.
The 200GE is $50. There isn't much room for it to even drop. Given the G4560 still sells for $70, I highly doubt you will see much of a drop in value on resale.
Nobody buys g4560 for it's HD graphics LOL
That's why I never bought Intel. AMD integrated graphics are so much better.
The 200GE in my cupboard reminds me of how hard it tried to be as good as an old quad while running at 3.8/3.9GHz.
While lightly loaded this CPU only used 8W.
It ran near silent as an HTPC.
The only thing it lacked was the snappiness of more, faster cores.
I have 3 ryzen/athlon(zen based) systems running and the 200ge is a decent little chip. As mentioned, it has its uses(not every PC sold is to play CS GO) and mine is in my HTPC. I originally used a 2200g for the HTPC but it never needed even THAT much power. The 2200g is now my file server CPU and I have a R5 2600 in my main PC. All excellent value. The 200ge has been running 24/7 now for a few weeks. As it has an m.2 drive the whole system feels as fast as anything else for 1080p playback, youtube etc.
The 200ge happily plays 4k encodes and 4k youtube content no problem and generates very little heat doing it. Great for the money and the built in graphics/4k support is brilliant. Mine is in a Jonsbo U1 with a Wraith Prism RGB cooler(for looks) and it never hits 50C. The ONLY time you notice the lack of horsepower is if several processes happen together but that is rare and doesn't last long.
Exactly what I came here to find out. Thank you!
i like this, reminds me a bit of these AM1 Athlon CPU's with low power consumption (still have one in use) i deffo see use for that thing
06:20
Absolutely barbaric
what happens when you eliminate the gpu capabilities and just rely on the processing power , maybe using a dedicated gpu as a test medium for the 3 cpus, i dont think people buy the g4560 for its integrated graphics usually they pair it up with a budget gpu like the 1050ti
you're right sir
What's the name of that case? I'm looking to build a new PC for my mom, but she doesn't want a big midtower case. That little case looks perfect!
in Win Chopin
Truth be told, 2 cores are really not enough anymore, just get a 4C it’s a huge improvement unless you’re running a GT1030 in which case then you should probably just get a 2200G or a 2400G with the APU, not saying this is useless as I will be buying one for my grandfather who is still using a Pentium 4 and a 7800 GT
Thing is the 2200G and 2400G trade blows with the GT 1030, but the ram configuration means alot when using the APUs. And i say they trade blows as in Vulkan games I've seen the 2200G absolutely decimate the 1030
Max Pain Max Pain I never take used stuff into consideration in France the second hand electronics market, especially where I live is absolutely horrible and buying a used 1200 still means getting DDR4...
Depends on the user. I build PCs for a living, some people just need to watch Netflix. You could watch Netflix on a 1c2t Ryzen CPU w/Vega 1 graphics if it existed, especially if you have it at 3.2GHz or better.
Keep in mind many people are still on shitty old mobile grade Intel chips that barely beat a P4 w/HT, you have people on fucking old Intel Atom chips trying to watch Netflix lol
+Loading Cheese i'm sorry but you literally contradict yourself in your Statement by saying that 2 cores "are really not enough anymore" and just after that saying that you will buy one for your grandfather. So which one is it now?
Are 2 Cores really not enough anymore or are they still usefull depending on the Person who uses the System? I personally would say it's the second one.
It got 4 thread, its more than enough for typical non heavy task such as web browsing and office, it might even do some light gaming and some light video editing.
Sugestion: Minimum 2nd hand system for mid-lvl graphics card (RX 580/GTX 1060) to a 10% bottleneck threshold. (based on equipment hustled and database filled overtime.)
I think it's a nice little CPU for the money, but yeah the 2200G is just a better buy. Heck I wish something like this was around for my first build many years ago. I went with a single core Celeron for $35 @3.2Ghz off of Tiger Direct and on board graphics on an Abit motherboard. Needless to say I couldn't do much gaming on that one.
Tho can you Bclk /FSB overclock?? I remember that being a feature on older motherboards without oc support
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I'm not sure how high the Ryzen series boards can go BCLK (I know my FX is at 234 FSB, NB tuning for 870 cb score without RAM tuning), I haven't messed with my X399 enough to know how high those things will push the bclk clocks since I was having issues with NVME drive (or probably just me getting tired and screwing things up, I wasn't following my no OC after 9 rule...)
Still, all of them better than my intel pentium E2200 2.2Ghz...
aighhhhht hope you got a good *chipset* with this bad boyy
Same here haha
Guys at the end of spring, im gona make it a key ring and buy a new budget system for 1400 euros including 144hz monitor.
@@autronic9306 not exactly a budget system
@@nathanhamman418 im going to pay via installments, i need this PC so bad, i am using this pentium for 12 years.
Super useful review, thanks! But what was that barbarity at 6:20?! Maybe talk to your mate Steve for some tips on unboxing boxes ;-)
Love your vids man
Great straight to the point review on this. I am curious what the 220ge and 240ge bring. I'm personally thinking it will be just some increased clockspeeds as the bin more of these from other silicon. That would likely do decent leap in performance though especially when later paired with dedicated. May still see a mix too though where its like the A6 vs A12 apu days and maybe the 240ge would bring a vega 5or6 onboard which would really keep the budget market aggressively tuned. Time will tell, cheers though!
Hey i am finally early! really like your stuff
Just a perfect placeholder as you said. A friend is wanting to get a PC finally and I was thinking just about getting this until Zen2 or a really good deal on other CPUs from Zen or Zen+.
love to see a revist on the processor since MSI left a beautiful BIOS update that unlocks OCing on this Processor which even Hardware Unbox did a benchmark about it :)
You deliver, on time, every time.
I have an Athlon II X2 250 and the cooler is still exactly the same. Of course I have replaced the og fan and thermal paste.
This processor made my pc boost. I pair it with gtx 1050. And it works like charm. I played most of my game at 1280p resolution in high setting. Great budget proccesor :)
I know this is old but asrock just released the a300 deskmini and combined with the 200ge makes a cheap and cool media pc that can do some good emulation and indi gaming. Might be worth another look.
7 days ago I bought 2600x because I believed it to be 20% faster than 2600.
I went back to store,to get coin back if possible(I did not open the box at any point).
However it was not possible for that.
2600 wasn't as cheaper enough as it should have been so there was little to no sense to replace my 2600X for 2600.
I briefly considered 2400G,but since 2200G has gameswise near identical performance,I figured I'll take it and 3TB or 4TB HDD.
But for reasons,I took this Athlon instead and G.Skill Aegis 16gigs( 2x8gigs Dual Channel)@3000Mhz instead.
Oh and 10 000mAh Xiaomi MI powerbank.
In 7 - 13 months time(each month or 2 I will buy something,some other component) and at it to a pile.
I've seen it coupled with GTX1050Ti and works wonders in some cases.
Well I plan to couple it with GTX1070 or 1070Ti.
It will be a temporary solution to a problem.
A problem called:"Unable to buy upermidrange GPU and 2700x at the same time".
However,by the time I'll have a coin enough to replace 200GE,2700X will likely become a new best buy,likely in similar price category as 2600 or even 2200G is today because 3xxx Raizen or maybe even 4xxx will be new kings of AMD offer.
Come to thing of it maybe some new Ryzen 3200 or 4200 will destroy 2700x for the price of today's 2200G.
Frankly, I'm floored they even put these in retail packaging. This is definitely something that would be more sought out by the tray for system integrators.
That Shirt looks amazing Bryan !!
0:37 RAM shape definitely affected by RTX n Nvidia
is it?
@@stephenallen4635 is it not ?
@@DIYTech21 -it's just Corsair lpx, it's been around for years with little to no design change-
didn't notice you were actually talking about the crucial 8gb sticks at the start
now I'm just more confused though
I'm thinking depending on where you are in the world, a Ryzen 3 is the better bang/buck option, here in Canada looking on ca.pcpartpicker the 200GE is $69(+shipping fee likely & 13% sales tax) from 1 store, while a 2200G is currently on sale for like $130+ while a 1200 is like $142+, on local classifieds though I can get a used 1200 with box & cooler for $80 (listed for $100) & a new sealed 2200G with damage to a corner of the box for $100.
This cpu might be great for a PFsense router build if you want cheaper hardware but are afraid of all the unpatched cpu vulnerabilities that are likely to be found on older used office PCs for a system that is going to be the main line of defense for your network.
Built in APU means you can save that top PCIe slot for a beefy multi-port network card.
Pair this setup with Xubuntu 18.04 64bit, and STEAM with STEAM play, and this is great for some light weight games, and general everyday usage, so with that said this would make a great cheap(cheap considering the current price of DDR4 RAM) build for to give to your kid if they don't already have a PC, and you don't want to go with a used parts setup.
For the price I reckon it's pretty brilliant, I have heard they have pretty much sold out in the US atm, so they must be selling tons of the things.
Nice review. i guess people don't make HTPCs any more, this would be great for a NAS as well, but why build your own when there are more practical options. Ultimately I think this would be great for mum's computer. :)
Agree the 2200g makes better sense as a stepping stone letting you get a decent mb and ram first then when finances allow the gpu and cpu upgrade down the line.
Good for small office computer/server and media box.
Idea to use in one of those compact systems bolting to the back of a vesa mount to smarten up the TV or turn a monitor into a AIO computer 😎
Too little too late for countries loke Aus/US. But in developing countries like Bangladesh its a excellent coice over g4560 with a solid upgrade path.
Over there shops selling g4560's as "killer gaming pc" to people who wants to get into pc gaming. And intel has huge influence on the market, as they offer good incentives to the shops, hosting events etc.
Awsome!
Good HTPC option also ! If you want something more powerful and versatile than an Android box
Brian you gonna review the upcoming 3000g? Same chip but unlocked for memory/core clock and gpu overclocking, for 50 bucks.
hey bryan great vid but i have a question, why didnt you use the pentium g5400 that was supposed to replace the g4560? is it because its like 40 bucks more expensive than the MSRP? its crazy
Where this might make real sense is in HTPC for running kodi or emulation of older games ! Will be looking for those who try it as either on here !
Definitely would've been nice to see this come out earlier. I have a hard time seeing me buying this for anyone other than a grandma just using the internet because just a little more money gets you quite a bit more performance with the 2200G, but it's still a great option just because of those grandmas out there. The only problem is that the only person I can personally think of getting something like this for would prefer a laptop so she can watch her Netflix around the house, so this doesn't help.
this little APU is beast for htpc with some lightweight game.. already build it for my mom
2200/2400 for gamers, 200GE for HTPC/Office.
I use 200ge for games lmao paired it with gtx 1050 ti
So I'm currently rocking a GTX 950 alongside my old FX system and I really want to jump onto that Ryzen boat. I'm on a very limited budget, should I get the Athlon as a place holder until I can afford a higher end Ryzen chip? Or should I just hold onto my money until a deal comes up or I can just afford it?
Would be interesting to see the 200GE paired with a GPU, can it run a GTX1060? 🤔
I did some simulations of 2 cores 4 threads on a ryzen 2400g clocked at 3.3, and it handles up to about a RX560 on the AMD side before it bottlenecks a little bit on a 570, and is pointless on a 580
i have that with gtx1050 and its really nice
I will be watching for this cpu and mobo very closely next month as Black Friday and Cyber Monday come closer. I would like to see the 200GE vs.2200G vs G5400 or G5600 paired with a GPU, as I am looking to upgrade to some newer hardware by next summer and wanted to see what would make the best place holder cpu without giving up performance with a card like the 1060 6GB or RX 580 8GB. I know the Intel G5600 won't bottleneck the 1060 or RX 580, but would like to see if the 200GE does. If it can handle one of those cards I think it will make a great place holder cpu for me. Thanks man.
Going on a whim here that your best bet is probably the 2200G. Especially if you're going to use it as a placeholder cpu while you save up for a card. You'd still be able to play games with a 2200G with fairly decent performance.
@Philis Goodman, thanks for the input but I already have a GPU for now. I know the 2200G is the best of all the CPU's I mentioned but do not want to spend $100+ on a placeholder CPU. I plan on upgrading to a 6 or 8 core CPU by next summer. I wasn't looking to use intergraded graphics that's why I wanted to see it tested with GPU's at my price range. I expect for the Intel G series to be close to MSRP by Black Friday or Cyber Monday and $55 to $75 bucks is all I would ever spend on something I'm going to be upgrading in 6 to 8 months. If I get the 2200G I might as well save up the extra $50 for a Ryzen 1600 or 2600. When all said and done I plan on my build being a RX 580 8GB and a Ryzen 1600 level build. Thanks for the feedback.
@@notatechguy1209 As a placeholder CPU i would personaly go with the 200GE, since with the AM4 platform i can upgrade to Zen 2 when they're released around 5-6 month from now.
Also if you want to wait a little longer there will be athlon 240GE and 260GE coming later this year
@Roikhan thanks for the info. I'm almost sure I'm going to go with the 200GE. I just want to see it tested with a GPU so I can see how much performance I'll be giving up until I upgrade. If it's anything close to the G4560 I know I'll be fine. I'm hoping it will be within 5 to 8% of the G4560 performance.
I wish the performance was a bit better for the power draw, but it's alright for what it is. I wish that AMD would release low TDP versions of the 2200G/2400G.
A part list for this tiny rig would be appreciated.
I liked how the FX CPUs cane in tins. :( It's a shame they don't do that any more. I still have mine. :D
Tech Yes City, Is the integrated GPU overclockable at all?
Maybe if this was released around xmas time i would've gotten the 200ge, i got a decent enough gpu but i wanted to move to a new platform and i ended up with Z270 since it was cheaper than am4 at that moment
I think that this is a really good placeholder especially with Zen 2 not to far out.
I feel they could have sold more if it was @3.6 and turbo to 4.0. Then it makes it enticing to Uber budget for e sports.
Well, I'm using a g4560 + RX 580 and even if it bottleneck games with heavy CPU usage (like BF1, AC Origins, etc), I'd say it's a great combo. I paid 60-ish bucks for the g4560 about six months ago.
3 best GPUs for the Athlon 200GE 3. RTX 2070 2. RTX 2080ti 3. RTX Titan
Honestly this is a great way for AMD to snag a ton of market share in the bulk office pc market. Love what AMD is doing. Great for the consumers!
The Athlon 240GE ( 2019 ) is going to be a very *SPECIAL* CPU ( 3 cores / 6 threads with Vega 6 )
I think its decent for the money. If you need something cheap that has a warranty and you do basic computer tasks its easily worth the price for what your getting.
I'll see when i get one in the mail..for DCUO game.
TechYESCity, What gaming chair do you have? And is it worth the investment
This processor will definitely find a market in budget conscious India. At $55=₹3500 this processor has got half the price tag of Ryzen 3 2200 and and extra ₹3000 for the same will be hard to justify for a student or home user.
Personally using G4560 combined with GTX 1050 and i can say for the money i spent im more than satisfied how this CPU is performing.
hello tech yes city :) should i upgrade my ryzen 3 2200g to ryzen 5 2600? or should i wait for the new ryzen cpu's?
I assume the iGPU is locked as well? haven't been able to find anything covering that.
This processor has AVX instructions, giving you 24% more performance in some cases with respect to the G4560 / G5400. The Pentium G5400 does not have it either.
YOU CAN MAKE OVERCLOCKING, with some plates of MSI and ASrock (I do not know if with others too). So it would be better to buy the 200G and upload it to 3.9Ghz, being better than intel i7-3770 in mono-core.
In the Monte Carlo Excel 2016 test it is 20% slower than a Pentium G4560, so if it is for very heavy calculation tasks it is better to have a G5400, much better a Ryzen 3 1200 and much better an R3 2200G.
Remember,be careful,dont wanna hurt yourself even more
Can you detail the full specs on that mini itx build? I've been looking for cases to fit this cpu in mini itx form factor and that one looks actually decent.
The 150w PSU, in that case, can handle that set-up with 2200g?
This cpu is near impossible to acquire in America for that mystical "$55" price tag. The cheapest I've seen it is 59.99 on newegg (and even there it's been out of stock every time I've looked).
6:23 the box opening hurt me
It isn't worth it over the 2200G considering a single stick of 8GB ram will cost MORE than the 200GE... If you are going to build new just get a 2200G and be done with it, will last way longer than a 200GE.
Amazing APU for the price, performance and power consumption.
Why would anyone ever buy a "placeholder" CPU, why not just buy whatever you were gonna buy in the future? If you can't afford it, wait until you can, newer and better stuff maybe released then.
By updating the bios in msi and gigabyte boards we can overclock the 200ge
Looks very nice to be in an office computer or a ltl computer at home for ur parents to watch youtube/news and browse the net a little bit.
The people in my life are not playing AAA tittle games they play the games on facebook or the free ones in the windows store so if you took this cpu and a gt 1030 it would be fine i myself would still go with the pentium g5400 gold and a gtx 1060 or rx 580 for the money those would go perfect with one another.
I wouldnt pair anything higher than a 1050ti with a g5400. If u go for a 1060, u must get a decent quadcore cpu to stretch the 1060.
G5400 has 4 threads thats all you need unless you want a gtx 1070 or 1080 you better get a quad core for that.
@@stevenanderson3205 Not really, i have a g4600 and eventhough its a beast cpu for its price its nowhere near enough for any recent games.
I feel the best cpu for the price is the intel i5 8400 6 cores 179.00 US dollars
@@stevenanderson3205 The i5 wont be found anywhere except america at that price but i doubt you can find it even there. Hardware unboxed did a video about it and if i remember correctly the lowest price is 220usd. Ryzen 5 2600 is the best option no matter what as it costs just 160usd plus you can use the mobo for as long as you like.
That Athlon is nice!
200ge makes my 2200g like a monster in game
when can we expect a price drop on ddr4?? it happened with SSD recently; a 256gb evo 850 now costs half the price I paid 6 months ago.. :(
What about gaming performance with a low end dedicated gpu, like an rx 560 or a gtx 1050. Would love to see how it compares to a g4560 and 2200g in terms of just cpu performance.
Just wait till the 7NM parts come out.
Very good performance for dollar if I'm honest, only the DDR4 bit holds it back, but even that seems to be dropping pretty fast. Still a much better buy than that silly G4560, and its predecessors and successors
fx 6300 still have it for 8years and its killing it with my GTX 1060 3GB!!!
Will deleting email program and other programs that we get with windows 10 really make it run better? I noticed you showed that.
For windows 7 doing job??
Good day! I'm planning to buy this processor. Can you please make a review of this processor running dota 2 on best looking settings. if u can't do, can u just tell me how many fps on best looking settings. Thanks in advance.
A silent fanless build with that CPU would be awesome!!!!!
Why are you comparing it to the g4560 when it’s not meant to be an apu??
I was thinking pairing it with a geforce gtx 1050 ti. Using it as a emulator and streaming machine. How does that sound? Does it handle everything up to gamecube and ps1?