For people who think the Chinese movement is “just as good” you only need to look at 1:32 to see the difference in quality. Center whole at bottom not lined up, two pins on the flank are off center, the slots in the gears are rougher and larger than the Swiss version. There are many finish differences among the other parts as well. If you are a machinist these are immediately apparent.
The world has changed a lot since then! The Chinese copy is already recognized by the German watch association. In eight years, they learned to produce quality. There is a copy that is more accurate than the Swiss original.
exactly what i was thinking! YOU KNOW IF THEY FLAGSHIP MAKERS WERE NOT SO GREEDY(TUDOR selling watches for 4k-- IF they just sold them for 1k or so the 300$ replicas would go out of business and SALES WOULD BE 5x more
@@donblade5405 You know there is 300$ watches with the ETA 2824-2 in it right ? And for that price you at least buy something made by people who leave a decent life, working decent hours and in good condition. Chinese copies makes way more profit per unit dont be foolish.
Hello! I have chinese automatic diver watch. And i don't know which movement is in it.It have very nice sweeping second hand. Only thing i found close to golden spring with ruby it have TC engraving. So i assume it is ETA clone. But how to tell which one? Thanks
OK, excellent! How about the A-2836 vs A-2813? Are there huge differences or just the same as the TC-2824 vs ETA 2824? What is the difference betenn 21J 21,600 BPH vs the 25J 28,800 BPH? I understand one has more BPHm but it makes a big difference to purchase one or the other? Thanks!
I've had different experiences. Shanghai 2824, Seagul 2824 and Shancheng PT5000 are vastly different clones. The Shanghai has the cheapest materials and is 10-15+- seconds per day inaccurate. The Seagul is around 7-10-+ seconds per day inaccurate. The Shancheng is 5-10+- seconds per day inaccurate. The Shanghai and Seagul are rarely oiled, most are shipped completely dry and the winding sounds like sand grinding inside. Both have rotor noise, but the Shanghai is the loudest. The Glycine watch I bought with a GEN ETA 2824 is 1-3+- seconds per day inaccurate. The winding and rotor is completely silent.
Can’t argue with your experience but all I can say is that I have a number of replica watches, all under £100 that are accurate to within 2-6 seconds a day! Admittedly I had to regulate some of them but the little time doing so has been well worth it! Some of them are now more accurate than friends real Rolex GMT and Omega Seamaster!
@ces69 At that price they have a DG2813 movement inside. An $11 movement used extensively in cheap replicas. You will not get a 2824 clone in replicas that cheap.
I am a Chinese guy who loves and adores Swiss Made watches whether they're affordable like the Swatch or more luxurious like a Tag Heuer or Omega. Generally speaking, most Chinese still very much desire owning a Swiss Made watches. There is something very special about a Swiss Made watch which can never be replaced. Originality and luxury. Just my opinion.
Just that Germany and Japan can easily keep up or in terms of a Spring Drive are even more advanced. Swiss Watches just live up because of their heritage.
I bought a replica with a chinese Eta 2824-2. Now it is faulty. Is it possible to replace it with an original swissmade? Will the replica clockhands and the crown fit the swiss eta??
An interesting video, thanks for sharing 👍. Is it not true that some of the Swiss watch manufacturers source a percentage of their parts from low cost such as China...and the Swiss government put restrictions on how many low cost sourced parts could be fitted in order to label the watches as Swiss made? Just on another point, have you seen the quality on some of the super clone watches that are out there now?
I bought Chinese Rolex with 'Asian Eta'. And after 6 months it stopped to wind automatically. I have to do it manually every morning. By the way these are second watches performing this way. So, there is a difference!
So what? The Sellita is Swiss and nigh on half price of ETA. Why would anyone of sound mind, use Chinese movements as the replacement, inside Swiss watches. Sellita sells individual parts as well as complete movements.
you convince me to buy chinese watches... you know what, I only buy japanese automatic watch because its affordable but this, this is great news for me... some chinese copy could make good addition
Good for you! As I say on my watch collector's chat site: "The #1 reason to buy any particular watch is because YOU like it! YOU are paying for it, and YOU are the one who has to wear it, so it's YOUR decision alone as to whether or not it should be purchased!"
Not surprising at all. Walk through the Swiss factories, some of the machines are quite old. Seeing better machined parts from a country (for better or worse) positioned on the forefront of production processes is expected at this point.
The issue with Chinese movements is more to do with QC. Bits of dead skin, flecks of metal, cloth fibres. These are all things I've found in Chinese movements. Not to mention under oiling and over oiling. In this video, you've stripped and re-assembled both movements, so they are essentially properly assembled and lubricated. Out of the box a Chinese movement is a mixed bag- you can get lucky or can can get a bad one, whereas a Swiss one has likely had much better QC. Rebuilt and serviced, it's probably a wash between the two.
this is crazy backthen we can tell if some watches is fake by opening the back, but now we cant, so the only way just spend a lot of money by going to the brand dealer to make sure we got the real one. omg, used watches has high risk to be fake now.
For those people who not really know about Swiss movement: The fact is, ETA 2824 are no longer protected by copyright cause in Swiss their copyright for watch movement only valid for 20 years and 2824 are designed by last century around 1980's, therefore Sellita (another Swiss movement manufacturer who also supplying movements for branded watches like Tag/Tudor/Oris) had also cloned the 2824 and make their SW200 movement, with minor improvements. Conclusion: Yes, Chinese did cloned the 2824 movement design but legally speaking, they done nothing wrong cause the design are now free open to use.
@@stainlesssteel2372 No. There are subtile differences in the construction of those movements which can be recognized. For sample the placement of pins on the plates is different.
"punishment"? people who wear rolex and omega does not do everyday punishment. If you work in a cubicle 8 hours a day ~340 days a year, pushing buttons and get the subway to go to work then you should not wear ETA28xxx watch if you do you have priorities issue
Don't worry swiss movement will find a way to make people feel there product is traditional & they'll buy it, Seiko's quartz automatic movement is the best of both worlds & its not as known because of this.
I make no bones about chinese products its entirely due to their quality control some are OK and some are not ...in fact I serviced a chinese 2824 and oiled it set it up in a cheap watch I had and it keeps 1 second a day at each position while wearing it over a week it was 100 % perfect . It's called pot luck but equally I had others where the jewels fell out . This in the issue consistency
Good quality Chinese watches are here. I do NOT mean fake rip off`s in name only and glittery cheap things. The TC 2824 is an excellent movement. Just the same as the ETA and at half the price for 1 off. My customer cannot afford a lot of money so I am in the process of fitting a TC2824. to replace his broken and worn out movement in what was his fathers expensive watch over fifty years ago.. It will look identical when I have finished. Much cheaper than a time consuming and expensive repair where parts are very difficult to obtain and with some manufacturers operating a monopoly. The Chinese will soon take over and will not be satisfied until they have got 90% of the quality mechanical watch business. Vacheron, Patek, JLC etc will be lucky to survive long term, although hopefully there is always a discerning person who will pay these high prices for outstanding quality with the right name. Just my opinion but based on economic`s.
The Chinese movement are getting close to Japanese and Swiss watch movements...............200 years apart !. Just check theirs Chinese military airplanes, nothing compared to USA, Japan or Swiss.
the ETA is far more better quality and more consistent where the Chinese clone is a hit or miss every time . more debris /particles are found in both the 2130 and the 2824 clone . so you've got a lookalike mvmnt for 1 year or so and then lets talk about cost of service once its due. if and when the Chinese will advance to the next level and their QC is par to the Swiss then the cost wont be that much of a difference. i own a 2130 and a 2836a and the 2836 is far more consistent and more refined . " the cheapest option tends to be the more expensive on the long run" I'm not rich enough to afford cheap things "
Things can change in a surprisingly short time frame. It wasn't too long ago that Japanese goods used to by synonymous with mass produced low quality crap. Walk down a street in a rich neighbourhood. You have to pass 20 or 30 cars before you see one made in America. They are all from Japan or Germany.
I don't care if its an ETA in my watch and I don't care if its a Chinese TC2824. what I DO care about is at least knowing whats in my watch. So on that basis alone I don't like the Chinese movement as its obvious copyright crime.
Yes, because Swatch, who aggressively bought up the intellectual property of dozens of innovative small watchmakers because they were the only ones diversified enough to survive the quartz lull, are clearly the noble moral superiors here.
sebii they 'aggressively' bought them to stop the smaller watch makers from going out of business. They don't want a monopoly and encourage case makers to produce their own movements but most are greedy lazy fucks that would rather buy an eta and slap on a swiss made label rather than producing their own.
Mate, the patents of ETA are long way expired! There's no such thing as "infringement" here. Nor is Sellita or Soprod (who also produce ETA-like clones, IN SWITZERLAND).
Sorry, this Comparison should compare an - long terms developed - Original with a illegal coppied clone.....hmmm well done....... This Comparison is a Fault step against a Swiss manufacturer called ETA, who spend a lot of investments, money, engineering hours and much more, to give to the watch-world a lot of respected Movements. This "Comparison" say only one thing - we are able to accept the Thief, who - with help of a criminal steps- can "delivered something for a half of price of Original". This Comparison can say about us, that we can accept the thiefs behavior and call it "assertivity in enterprising"... For me nothing else...
Moron, the patents on the ETA-2824 expired long ago. The clones are not "illegal". Patent expiration is the only way technology progresses. This forces the original company to create something new instead of sitting on its laurels to perpetuity.
So we have to trust what this video says as a reliable source?. The thing is, that nobody can be sure that both movements are what this video is stating, and to have a good serious test at least it should be made with more than a couple of movements and tested in a more scientific and serious way, for the show and for the Chinese "fanboys" this video is good, but it's just pure sensationalism!.
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Insanely good accuracy out of the box for both. Finishing on the Chinese movement was better than I expected. Buy what floats your boat. Great review.
For people who think the Chinese movement is “just as good” you only need to look at 1:32 to see the difference in quality. Center whole at bottom not lined up, two pins on the flank are off center, the slots in the gears are rougher and larger than the Swiss version. There are many finish differences among the other parts as well. If you are a machinist these are immediately apparent.
Bottom line is the accuracy as 99% of owners will never see behind the case back!
@@ces69thats why i ordered audemars piguet skeleton 😂
The world has changed a lot since then! The Chinese copy is already recognized by the German watch association. In eight years, they learned to produce quality. There is a copy that is more accurate than the Swiss original.
I am very grateful to you .I am satisfied about such a great explaination but still I am using spare parts direct from the genuine movements
I hear Seagull's movement improved even more in last few years. I would be interested in updated review with more newer models.
The swiss movement does look that little bit more refined. But hardly worth the price difference. Would love to see a durability comparison too.
exactly what i was thinking! YOU KNOW IF THEY FLAGSHIP MAKERS WERE NOT SO GREEDY(TUDOR selling watches for 4k-- IF they just sold them for 1k or so the 300$ replicas would go out of business and SALES WOULD BE 5x more
@@donblade5405 You know there is 300$ watches with the ETA 2824-2 in it right ? And for that price you at least buy something made by people who leave a decent life, working decent hours and in good condition. Chinese copies makes way more profit per unit dont be foolish.
Thanks! I know where I'll get my movements for future projects. ;-)
Hello! I have chinese automatic diver watch. And i don't know which movement is in it.It have very nice sweeping second hand. Only thing i found close to golden spring with ruby it have TC engraving. So i assume it is ETA clone. But how to tell which one? Thanks
OK, excellent! How about the A-2836 vs A-2813? Are there huge differences or just the same as the TC-2824 vs ETA 2824? What is the difference betenn 21J 21,600 BPH vs the 25J 28,800 BPH? I understand one has more BPHm but it makes a big difference to purchase one or the other? Thanks!
I've had different experiences. Shanghai 2824, Seagul 2824 and Shancheng PT5000 are vastly different clones. The Shanghai has the cheapest materials and is 10-15+- seconds per day inaccurate. The Seagul is around 7-10-+ seconds per day inaccurate. The Shancheng is 5-10+- seconds per day inaccurate. The Shanghai and Seagul are rarely oiled, most are shipped completely dry and the winding sounds like sand grinding inside. Both have rotor noise, but the Shanghai is the loudest. The Glycine watch I bought with a GEN ETA 2824 is 1-3+- seconds per day inaccurate. The winding and rotor is completely silent.
Can’t argue with your experience but all I can say is that I have a number of replica watches, all under £100 that are accurate to within 2-6 seconds a day!
Admittedly I had to regulate some of them but the little time doing so has been well worth it!
Some of them are now more accurate than friends real Rolex GMT and Omega Seamaster!
@ces69 At that price they have a DG2813 movement inside. An $11 movement used extensively in cheap replicas. You will not get a 2824 clone in replicas that cheap.
I am a Chinese guy who loves and adores Swiss Made watches whether they're affordable like the Swatch or more luxurious like a Tag Heuer or Omega. Generally speaking, most Chinese still very much desire owning a Swiss Made watches. There is something very special about a Swiss Made watch which can never be replaced. Originality and luxury. Just my opinion.
Just that Germany and Japan can easily keep up or in terms of a Spring Drive are even more advanced. Swiss Watches just live up because of their heritage.
Okay i'm sending my swiss watches to change to the chinese movement now...
To answer your question, students are outperfoming their teachers
Like many, still wondering where TC is? His work was in another realm.
Excellent video thankyou
I bought a replica with a chinese Eta 2824-2. Now it is faulty. Is it possible to replace it with an original swissmade? Will the replica clockhands and the crown fit the swiss eta??
An interesting video, thanks for sharing 👍.
Is it not true that some of the Swiss watch manufacturers source a percentage of their parts from low cost such as China...and the Swiss government put restrictions on how many low cost sourced parts could be fitted in order to label the watches as Swiss made?
Just on another point, have you seen the quality on some of the super clone watches that are out there now?
I bought Chinese Rolex with 'Asian Eta'. And after 6 months it stopped to wind automatically. I have to do it manually every morning. By the way these are second watches performing this way. So, there is a difference!
There is no Asian eta its a 2813
Eta is Swiss
So what? The Sellita is Swiss and nigh on half price of ETA. Why would anyone of sound mind, use Chinese movements as the replacement, inside Swiss watches. Sellita sells individual parts as well as complete movements.
The Chinese clones are 2-4x cheaper, that's why.
I do not know, if it is just me. The Chinese parts look better machined than the Swiss.
Jvlyen Limon I was thinking that too
They don't. Also the Chinese parts have unpolished soft metal which is really low quality. But they were really well made to be honest.
you convince me to buy chinese watches... you know what, I only buy japanese automatic watch because its affordable
but this, this is great news for me... some chinese copy could make good addition
Good for you! As I say on my watch collector's chat site: "The #1 reason to buy any particular watch is because YOU like it! YOU are paying for it, and YOU are the one who has to wear it, so it's YOUR decision alone as to whether or not it should be purchased!"
Wow, good to know. It won't be long now before "made in china" won't be said with disdain.
Not surprising at all. Walk through the Swiss factories, some of the machines are quite old. Seeing better machined parts from a country (for better or worse) positioned on the forefront of production processes is expected at this point.
The issue with Chinese movements is more to do with QC. Bits of dead skin, flecks of metal, cloth fibres. These are all things I've found in Chinese movements. Not to mention under oiling and over oiling.
In this video, you've stripped and re-assembled both movements, so they are essentially properly assembled and lubricated.
Out of the box a Chinese movement is a mixed bag- you can get lucky or can can get a bad one, whereas a Swiss one has likely had much better QC. Rebuilt and serviced, it's probably a wash between the two.
this is crazy backthen we can tell if some watches is fake by opening the back, but now we cant, so the only way just spend a lot of money by going to the brand dealer to make sure we got the real one. omg, used watches has high risk to be fake now.
For those people who not really know about Swiss movement:
The fact is, ETA 2824 are no longer protected by copyright cause in Swiss their copyright for watch movement only valid for 20 years and 2824 are designed by last century around 1980's, therefore Sellita (another Swiss movement manufacturer who also supplying movements for branded watches like Tag/Tudor/Oris) had also cloned the 2824 and make their SW200 movement, with minor improvements.
Conclusion: Yes, Chinese did cloned the 2824 movement design but legally speaking, they done nothing wrong cause the design are now free open to use.
Agreed. One way to recognize the difference between Eta 2824 and Sellita is Eta is labeled 25 jewels and Sellita 26 jewels.
@@stainlesssteel2372 No. There are subtile differences in the construction of those movements which can be recognized. For sample the placement of pins on the plates is different.
No mention whatsoever about longevity - which is where I have run into issues with Chinese Made
Just wow!
great vid. Whats the music?
Sunday Stroll - Huma Huma
Is chinese 2824 movement already hack movement ??
just wondering, what's the name of that song?
Sunday Stroll - Huma Huma
but i need a durabilty test.. lets see how they both stack up with everyday punishment.
slikdarelic identically lol
Perfectly well.
"punishment"? people who wear rolex and omega does not do everyday punishment. If you work in a cubicle 8 hours a day ~340 days a year, pushing buttons and get the subway to go to work then you should not wear ETA28xxx watch if you do you have priorities issue
Don't worry swiss movement will find a way to make people feel there product is traditional & they'll buy it, Seiko's quartz automatic movement is the best of both worlds & its not as known because of this.
I make no bones about chinese products its entirely due to their quality control some are OK and some are not ...in fact I serviced a chinese 2824 and oiled it set it up in a cheap watch I had and it keeps 1 second a day at each position while wearing it over a week it was 100 % perfect . It's called pot luck but equally I had others where the jewels fell out . This in the issue consistency
They produce some good movement but the cl888 is not the best
Good quality Chinese watches are here. I do NOT mean fake rip off`s in name only and glittery cheap things. The TC 2824 is an excellent movement. Just the same as the ETA and at half the price for 1 off. My customer cannot afford a lot of money so I am in the process of fitting a TC2824. to replace his broken and worn out movement in what was his fathers expensive watch over fifty years ago.. It will look identical when I have finished. Much cheaper than a time consuming and expensive repair where parts are very difficult to obtain and with some manufacturers operating a monopoly. The Chinese will soon take over and will not be satisfied until they have got 90% of the quality mechanical watch business. Vacheron, Patek, JLC etc will be lucky to survive long term, although hopefully there is always a discerning person who will pay these high prices for outstanding quality with the right name. Just my opinion but based on economic`s.
Do you have a site?
What's the song id
Sunday Stroll - Huma Huma
Wow
The numbers aren'a clearly visible!!!
Very difficult for the untrained eye to discern.
На измерительном приборе настроить яркость можно и получше, в нем отражение мастера только видно хорошо.
The Chinese movement are getting close to Japanese and Swiss watch movements...............200 years apart !. Just check theirs Chinese military airplanes, nothing compared to USA, Japan or Swiss.
hm... category - comedy
the ETA is far more better quality and more consistent where the Chinese clone is a hit or miss every time . more debris /particles are found in both the 2130 and the 2824 clone . so you've got a lookalike mvmnt for 1 year or so and then lets talk about cost of service once its due. if and when the Chinese will advance to the next level and their QC is par to the Swiss then the cost wont be that much of a difference. i own a 2130 and a 2836a and the 2836 is far more consistent and more refined . " the cheapest option tends to be the more expensive on the long run" I'm not rich enough to afford cheap things "
The Swiss are history.
Its kinda sad to see this, cause it destroys the Dream feel for the swiss watches
Two centuries ago Europeans used to dream of having genuine imported Chinese luxury goods in their homes.
true
but im talking about nowadays
Things can change in a surprisingly short time frame. It wasn't too long ago that Japanese goods used to by synonymous with mass produced low quality crap. Walk down a street in a rich neighbourhood. You have to pass 20 or 30 cars before you see one made in America. They are all from Japan or Germany.
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It will always be just an Chinese movement . The swiss movement will alway be more valuable.
But is still made in chinese so whats the difference lol dont let them lie to you and say its made in swis
Or better swiss chinese
So.buy chinese swiss watches
I don't care if its an ETA in my watch and I don't care if its a Chinese TC2824. what I DO care about is at least knowing whats in my watch. So on that basis alone I don't like the Chinese movement as its obvious copyright crime.
Yes, because Swatch, who aggressively bought up the intellectual property of dozens of innovative small watchmakers because they were the only ones diversified enough to survive the quartz lull, are clearly the noble moral superiors here.
key point - they bought the intellectual property - they didn't steal it - so perhaps you should get off your cross.
sebii they 'aggressively' bought them to stop the smaller watch makers from going out of business.
They don't want a monopoly and encourage case makers to produce their own movements but most are greedy lazy fucks that would rather buy an eta and slap on a swiss made label rather than producing their own.
Mate, the patents of ETA are long way expired! There's no such thing as "infringement" here. Nor is Sellita or Soprod (who also produce ETA-like clones, IN SWITZERLAND).
Not a patent crime no, they already expired long ago.
Sorry, this Comparison should compare an - long terms developed - Original with a illegal coppied clone.....hmmm well done....... This Comparison is a Fault step against a Swiss manufacturer called ETA, who spend a lot of investments, money, engineering hours and much more, to give to the watch-world a lot of respected Movements. This "Comparison" say only one thing - we are able to accept the Thief, who - with help of a criminal steps- can "delivered something for a half of price of Original". This Comparison can say about us, that we can accept the thiefs behavior and call it "assertivity in enterprising"... For me nothing else...
Moron, the patents on the ETA-2824 expired long ago. The clones are not "illegal". Patent expiration is the only way technology progresses. This forces the original company to create something new instead of sitting on its laurels to perpetuity.
So we have to trust what this video says as a reliable source?. The thing is, that nobody can be sure that both movements are what this video is stating, and to have a good serious test at least it should be made with more than a couple of movements and tested in a more scientific and serious way, for the show and for the Chinese "fanboys" this video is good, but it's just pure sensationalism!.