Why ETA Watch Movements Deserve Respect
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2021
- For the vast majority of Swiss watches produced, ETA will be the movement manufacturer of choice. Dating back to original controls placed on the Swiss watch industry in the 1920s, ETA has grown into the largest Swiss movement manufacturer yet, in light of in-house movements offered by other brands, regard for these pieces has diminished. In today’s video, I would like to place the spotlight on just why the ETA 2824 and ETA 2892 automatic movements deserve respect.
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Let's be honest: a lot of companies would not be here without ETA.
They stop supplying most of the brands outside the Swatch group. Nowadays can buy Sellita or STP or Soprod. Or Myota Seiko etc
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well that doesnt matter for deciding if you like the movement or not
@@MrJeremy9835 ... right...but Sprod and Sellita used to make produce OEM movements for ETA and their existing movements are basically copies of the 2824 and 2892 as the patents for many ETA movements ended years ago. So the comment holds... a lot of companies... including Sellita and Soprod ...would not be here without ETA ... that includes Patek Philippe which still gets their balance springs from ETA.
Including Tudor.
This is a must-watch video for anyone who has ever judged an ETA movement as "oh, but it's just an ETA..."
I have 11 watches, from Breitling Tudor, Omega to Rolex. Half have a variant of the 2892-A2. One being the 2500D in my Seamaster. Everyono of my ETA powered watches runs great all with COS, even when not offered as chronometers. I have never had Anything but the highest respect for my ETA movements.
Agreed. I adore my ETA 2893-2 in my GMT. The 90 series ETAs are just awesome.
Great video. The 2892A2 remains an incredibly robust and versatile movement to this day. One piece of history the video overlooked was the contribution of Richard Habring, who was at IWC in the early 1990s. He redesigned the winding system on the 2892-2, and those IWC improvements were adopted by ETA in what became known as the 2892-A2.
Would love a similar video on miyota and other movement manufacturers
So much of the rebirth of the mechanical watch post quartz crisis can be attributed to ETA. I encourage you to continue to make these educational videos. Thank you!
I watch several UA-cam watch channels a day, and this is the most informative one I've seen!
Same here👌👌 subscribed
Watchfinder is awesome as well
Me three
Having a number of watches that date from the 80s and 90s I can whole heartedly endorse the ETA movements. The 2824 is robust, easy to source parts for and easy to fix. I have watches from the 80s with this movement that have barely seen any servicing in their lives and they work just fine. The 2892-2 is my favorite movement of all. This is a fantastic movement and, in chronometer-spec, genuinely as accurate as all but the very best movements money can buy. I have an Eterna Kontiki Sport from 1992 with the full printed report from COSC. In all five positions, at each of three temperatures, the watch recorded +1 to +2 seconds with a delta of just 1 second throughout the testing! That is staggering accuracy and consistency.
I place reliability,toughness ,serviceability and long lasting ness above all in my movements.You really get all this in a eta 2824 and 2892.
or the 2836, that one is also an amazing workhorse
Sadly these movements appear to have been replaced by low beat throwaway movements. I agree 2824-2, and 2982 were, and are superb workhorse movements with a smooth 4hz sweep.
Yes in some lower level Swatch brands.Theres still plenty of brands out there using them.
Toughness, my ass. You can wreck the keyless works by just inserting the stem back in if you somehow remove it incorrectly. You want tough? That's the Seiko NH35.
@@freddyt55555 another Seiko fanboy
I just purchased my first "real" watch. I researched movements and discovered the 2892A2 and then researched my options for the best value for the cost while refusing to purchase any watch without the 2892A2. I believe this will last a lifetime and be a very satisfying purchase.
This is a really thoughtful and smart history of the movements. Thank you for creating. Extremely helpful.
Swift paced, concise and substantially informative leaves the viewer with a little research of their own to do to reinforce the offering herein.
Great post meal food for thought!
I think Watch Chronicler is my new favorite watch related channel on youtube. Such great info and an amazing delivery of it! Thank you!
I love your channel as being the most complete and informative channel out there as of late . Been learning a lot .
Thank you, now I know why my 2892 is really so smooth and of good quality...👍🏻😊
Agreed. I have an Omega Seamaster with a 2892 movement. It is a great movement although it has been modified and refined by Omega.
I think they are great. I'm currently building a diver-style watch using a 2482-2 as the engine (waiting for the yacht master style bezel insert to come in so i can completed it). I'm looking forward to completing bit, regulating it, and wearing it! Thanks for posting. Keep at it!
Fascinating amount of interesting detail, superbly presented. Thank you.
Great knowledge. I'm new to the watch world. First watch is the Omega Seamaster 300m Diver. I'm blessed.
Great watch!
As someone who loves mechanical watches but unfortunately has to live within a budget this is great advice. Love of a certain watch wanes under the stress of an impending large service bill. Excellent post as ever Armand
Very informative, there is a a2 movement in my Mille miglia flyback. Just sent it to the factory for a complete service&cleaning. It was a couple of minutes slow per day so very much in desperate need!
Excellent review as usually, a channel for the more cerebral & discerning viewer. Wonderful! 👍
Full of I formation on one our favorite movements. Bravo. These were always a pleasure to restore.
Very cool vid. I'm going on 5 months with my Hamilton H6644550, powered by the ETA Caliber 2834-2 and I love it. Good looking movement even with no real decoration and the up to 80-hour power reserve is very cool. It hasn't run out of power since I got it and I rotate a couple other watches. Probably never going to sell this one, honestly.
Very nice and educational video. I have the .A2 in a Ulysse Nardin, a Hublot, and a Chopard. The Ulysse had the chronometer version. Great movement.
Fantastic history and subject matter covered Armand. Great research and work my man!!
@@Thomgxx100 ETA is an abbreviation of Eterna.
AMAZING VIDEO! I ALWAYS WANTED A VIDEO LIKE THIS TO UNDERSTAND THE INDUSTRY BETTER!
Absolutely correct. The 2824-2 and 2892-2 deserve all the respect it can get. Many big brands survived on it: Omega, IWC, Tudor etc. Nowadays though, it seems that exclusivity and brand snobbism have taken over from the rationale. Good video.
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Love the Rolex fan boys who go on about in house movements when Rolex never made a movement in their lives, they just purchased the company that made them for them and branded them Rolex and then charge you a massive premium for them.
Just discovered your channel. You make a lot of UA-camrs sound like amateurs. You are also making very convincing points.
Excellent video. I really enjoyed this!
Great video, as a collector of vintage Eterna I appreciate the modern ETA movements and their clones, but nothing beats the original - at least in sentimental value.
Great content ! As I'm watching it I'm wearing my Hamilton Khaki with the 2824 eta which is a little workhorse and keeps very good time
Though once in awhile it does need changing by a fee minutes but I love it for the tactile feel as it always brings you closer to the timepiece on my wrist
Very reliable movement indeed.
Most of their issues is solved by cleaning and oiling which is cost effective.
I think in particular of the 2824 tendancy to get the rotor rolling while being handwound.
Also very accurate in my experience, even after 25 years for the oldest I own.
Thank you for growing my knowledge.
I'm very happy to have in my collection watches powered by both these wonderful movements.
Great video, thank you, Watch Chronicler.
Excellent Post !Thankyou!
Never realised ETA struck so deep into the heart of Omega. I think this is only a very good thing in the end. The tried and tested backbone of ETA, combined with the panache and extra development from Omega. Just purchased an Oris Aquis 400, mainly from the proposition of the in-house. I just couldn't get my head round the setting issues. Reluctantly, I'm sending it back. Such a beautiful watch, I'm sure Oris will iron out this issue in time, even though they publicly dress this issue as a 'quirk' rather than a problem. Just bought Breitling with the 2892, I can now rest in assurance of the reliability paired with the added features that Breitling has added to this movement, not as extensive as the Omega, but a great balance between quality and individuality. Subscribed 👍
Well done. I always felt ETA movements are some of the best produced. Yes, you'll pay more for a watch with this movement, but with this movement you can rely on the fact you are getting a solid reliable watch. How about a video discussing the Miyota 9000 series movements. It would be nice to have a solid review about these movements.
Another great video. Really enjoy this .
Damn, that was an excellent video! Thank you
Great upload Armand.
As an owner of several pieces housing the standard 2824-2 & it's Hamilton/Certina extended PR variants I think it's a perfectly capable mov't for sub $1K USD watches.
If one is not fussed about Swiss Made 'branding' on their timepiece (for it has devolved to simple branding IMO) I believe the Miyota 9 series mov'ts to be the better option. That said, the though some favoured pieces in my modest collection hold ETA 2824-2 / 2893-2 mov'ts, others hold Seiko's 6R35 or Miyota's 90S5 mov't.
The 2824-2 and it's variants are undoubtedly solid and reliable entry level Swiss mov'ts, Japan's ability to equal or possibly best them is interesting to me as the community starts to question the meaning of 'Swiss Made' on our watches.
It warms my heart to see you include Steinhart ... not once .. but twice. the Ocean One is a very nice watch .. and due in no small part to the ETA 2893 movement that they included for their GMT version. A movement worthy of a much more expensive watch.
I agree, i own a ocean one too.
Truly helpful. Thank you!
I've had 2824 movements break, but never broken a Sellita or Seiko - but my Hamilton VJ7750 is my most accurate, followed by the Swiss...frustratingly my seiko 6r35 is the most inaccurate (varies, around 15spd)
Interesting lesson, please do other movements. Great content, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
A great video and highly informative.
Fascinating. I think unless you're getting a high end watch (Omega co-axial/Rolex and above), I think you're better off with ETA. In Sinn, Oris etc, I'd much rather an ETA/Selita than an in-house movement. In-house will be more expensive, not necessarily better, with slower servicing and no guarantee parts will always be available. Nonetheless, brands that charge £2.5-4k for a 2824 - based watch (Doxa, some Tudor/Breitling etc) are simply gouging your eyes out. 2892s are moot - some amazing ones with great value (Longines Spirit), some good, but poor value (IWC Mark). There are some big movement wars ahead though: Kenissi is going to be a big player if Tudor/Rolex/Chanel get their way.
I agree, I have a lot of in-house mouvements in my collection (I mean really in house..),but also couple of eta in Hamilton and tissot, tissot have the powermatic 80 cosc silicium, and the Hamilton same but not silicium, and both are the most precise watches off all!! For real! (my gs is also really good but in long term wearing my eta's beats the rest.. (cartier sontos xl blue with in house, rolex, oméga, and others..) 👌
well researched and well spoken
My daily is a longines hydroconquest with a L888.2 movement which is basically a decorated 2892. It keeps brilliant time and is bulletproof.
My special occasion watch is a blue omega smpc with the 2500. So I think it's safe to say I'm a fan
Absolutely agree! ETA was the backbone of the entire Swiss watch industry just a decade ago. Tudor, IWC, Breitling, Tag, Omega the list goes on and on.
Don’t t forget Invicta. Which people think they are garbage watches.
Surprised you didn' mention the Tudor Black Bay 36 which I think is underrated and uses an ETA which is regulated to +/- 2 secs.
Bought mine 6 months ago and Tudor now give a 5 yr guarantee - sounds good to me!!
I got spoiled when I bought my Longines Lyre with an L888.5 (ETA A31.L11) - winding on it is so incredibly smooth and refined. I now have another watch with a derivative of the Sellita SW200-1 and I definitely cannot say the same...infact I read many users simply saying to treat SW200/SW200-1 as a non-manual winding movement and to ONLY wind it enough to start it and let the rotor do the rest.
Great content!
Really great vid on ETA!
Quality video. Well done.
Maybe this video will put to rest the “in-house movement” is better than tried and true ETA movements argument...probably not but valiant effort! That was not the purpose, but it should be the subject of your next video! Excellent analysis!
They also make some great quartz movements.
I love my Breitling 13 which is based on ETA 7750. amazing movement
great video thanks
Wow, great information here.
My Omega 2531.80 is a beast. Thanks ETA
Another workhorse is ETA ´s 7750 which needs a video of its own. Great rundown of the 2824-2 & 2892 👌❤️ very informative 🧐
Another variant based on the ETA 2892 is the 2895 which is worth talking about. The 2895 has 27 rubies (much higher than earlier 2892 /21 rubies), these were seen in: Tag Heuer (Caliber 6), Gucci , with surprising accuracy! Due to ETA freezing stock as a supplier in recent years, a lot of changes have been brought up. Sellita seems to be the newer supplier of movements in the watch industry: Oris, etc.
And variants of the 7750: ex. 7753 !
Armand has a video on it already and it's very good!
Hello glad to re-look this video. Added small info. which could be of interest!
Makes me more interested in the Tudor Prince models and black bay 36.
The only issue I have ever had with my 2892 is twice in the last 12 years of daily use I have managed to bump it at just the right angle to cause one loop of the balance spring to jumo over a peg or something and it stopped. My local watchmaker fixed it both times, no charge
Great video.
I absolutely love ETA movements, i own two watches with them in it they are the best.
Can someone help me? I have a ETA 2824 automatic and I noticed that from a cold start (due to no usage after a few days) I can only start up the watch if I spin the rotor counter clockwise. Is this normal? I’ve read that the 2824 rotor had bidirectional winding.
The 2892-2 has made Swiss watches affordable and even more so reliable for years. The average guy can buy a watch for around 1000 dollars and it's a great timepiece.
Darn which brand is the second watch in the intro? It's a beauty.
I’ve had a few arguments with Rolex and Omega owners (though I also own a Seamaster Bond edition myself) .. that my Bremont S2000 with it’s ETA 2836 movement .. is as reliable as their in house movements .. and will cost less to maintain. So yeah .. Co-axial is all very nice .. but it costs a sodding fortune to have Omega service it.
2836-2 works great in my Mido Oceanstar Chrono
I miss this guy, I hope he's thriving.
ETA powered vintage watches give you the confidence in reliability and serviceability of an otherwise ~40-50 year old watch. This aspect can be seldomly found in other vintage technology (in comparison: try finding replacement parts for a vintage car). I'm a fan of the ETA movement and its history!
You can still buy Chevy small block parts, which is an engine designed in 1952.
I have the Omega Dynamic Automatic I think it has the 2892 from the 90's
I begin to respect them since I serviced my 13 years old Oris Aquis for a very small amount of money last month.
i have a 50's bumper movement in a Tissot.
I have a Hamilton " below Zero" it's a strong movement, 2826, I use this watch as my everyday, the the point, it goes on suits,
Is ETA 2894 good? Thank you.
Have an ETA workhorse in my Tudor Heritage BB.
Why was the zodiac super sea wolf running backwards??
TENHO SEIKO NH35 ê ETA 2824 EXCELENTES MECÂNISMOS 👍👍 🇧🇷
2892 with a Dubois Depraz 2021 for a 57 jewel movement. Can anyone guess which watch I'm talking about?
Nice video.
I have the ETA 2836-2
Mido Caliber 80 (base ETA C07.621) 🤣🍿
I love my Hamilton with a modified ETA movement :)
I love that my Black Bay has an ETA movement. Reliable and easy to service down the road without having to send it to Rolex.
Epic video
Volume of sales tells everything!
So what are the time setting issues with the Oris Calibre 400? I wasn't aware of any problems. Just curious.
The minute hands is jumping when the crown is pushed back in. Check the recent video of Bruce Williams on the Oris review
Each time you want to set the time, the minute hand jumped (when you pull or push the stem)
@@cedarcanoe thanks. good to know
@@Nightmark2 thanks
Grand Seiko's Spring Drive deserves more respect, no one even dares to counterfeit it.
As a watch technician i always tell my clients that ETA movements(COSC grade Silicone hairspring)are the same as Rolex movements.
Percentage-wise, how similar is it?
@@BetterTodaywithJasonCruz after servicing and regulating , in terms of performance they are equal. Since the ETA movements that are equiped with silicone hairspring are quite new to the industry, i can't say anything about their longevity yet. But those ETA without silicone hairspring they have always been long-lasting, same goes to Sellita movements. ETA also offers 80hours power reserve 3hands movement & 60hours power reserve chronograph movement that performed exceptionally well. Now combined all these together-80hours power reserve,COSC grade,silicone hairspring,incabloc shock absorber and you got yourself a truly wonderful movement with a price that won't break your bank and performs the same as the watch that will cost you 10 times more. Hope that this simplified explanation helps. Cheers.
@@horologywatchmaking13 Hey mate, thanks for that wonderful and detailed explanation! I appreciate that you took the time to write that out. I used to think low of ETA movements but I've to say, I've gained a newfound level of respect for it. May even shop for an ETA-powered piece soon 😊🤘🏼
@@BetterTodaywithJasonCruz Pleasure is mine. Do keep in mind that for those modified ETA movements with longer power reserve and silicone hairspring they can only be found in brands under The Swatch Group like Tissot,Certina,Mido,Hamilton. They are exclusively only for the Swatch Group's brands and don't sell them to outsiders. Well then i hope everything is well and please take care.
@@horologywatchmaking13 Thanks for that additional tidbit! After watching this video + your comments, my "world of options" just opened up hahaha
I’ve been working on watches for years. Recently my grandfather passed down a vintage submariner to me. The movement was long since dead and the quote I got to have it rebuilt would be enough to make you throw up in your mouth. I ended up removing the original movement and fitted the case with an eta2824 and I machined an adapter ring. It’s been regulated to run +1 second a day on my timegrapher. Someday when I have the cash to drop on a used 1520, I will. But until then, the ETA powers my Rolex. Kind of funny in a way. LOL
Interesting...I think within a few years the Eta mvts especially those modified by tudor or omega for example will be kind of collectible. I own a tudor prince DD from 92 and the movement 1)looks great with the perlage and 2)keeps incredible time (is it due to the special balance regulation system which seems different than the usual one ?) best regards
@@artblend4278 I can see those skyrocketing. Not only that, but I could see the price of off the shelf ETA’s start climbing as well. I think the trend of building your own watch is catching on. Some of these manufacturers have been smart enough to realize that. The rest will take time... no pun intended.
@@deeno1114 however it's a shame you could not fix the 1520 or 1570....(or buy a 3031?)
@@artblend4278 unfortunately the cost for service was about what buying one on the used market would set me back. Another unfortunate reality about second hand parts. Not to mention most of these movements are found on eBay and likely need an additional costly service by the time they get to you.
@@deeno1114 thanks for your answer! enjoy your vintage sub!
Quality has multiple attributes. In the West people say the word "quality" but what they really mean is exclusivity or luxury. There are people willing to pay outrageous money just to have something others don't have. We could get into philosophical debate why this is the case. But in my opinion quality also consists of reliability and serviceability. If I buy a machine I want it to work and even if it breaks it should make economic sense to fix it. In this sense, ETA-based movements are quality. There are other, more exclusive movements but not all of them are actually that reliable. Some of them are but the service costs are significant. So, one needs to ask what's so special about wearing a watch and make a decision. Also, I think that most customers base their decision on brand, looks and finish. Movement is not always the most important consideration. It's a spectrum where ETA has its place.
ETA also produced normal winding movements I.e. non automatic. Those were useful & long lasting for very common man-especially ETA 1080, -ETA 1180 etc. these movements were - tropicalised , having unbreakable mainsprings, have 40 hours winding power, requires very rare maintenance so famous in watch world . But now not available
Wonderful, Wonderful, Wonderful
What is good products?
I believe it should be cost effective, good productivity, quality, strong & long-lasting one.. for the people or customers who use it..
While, as to expensive type..
I wonder if there is some problem in production line, or workers skill?etc..
ETA makes the best work horse movements in the industry. This is not to say they lack the precision of high watchmaking. On the contrary, imo the 2824 strikes an ideal balance between reliability, serviceability and finesse. It’s not the best but it is an extremely practical movement.
When people complain about "just an ETA" usually because the brands ask for unrealistic price tags, not because ETA is bad by any means.
Really i don't know anything about a ETA automatic movements, but as a user i can say that i didn't saw a better quartz movement than ETA FØ6 quartz movement....really impressive. It can be the end of the world but that movement will survive.....and a most important thing....plus or minus 1 second per week (that's less than a minute PER YEAR)....that's not bad at all i think. There's no ETA or any other automatic movement which can be close to that.
good video, like
probably any seiko,orient or citizen will out perform it ...i think so
@@brothacaim well, i don't think.... i would say that Seiko will outperform it only with a price without any reason, and with the amount of scam.... by the way, a 10 USD quartz Casio will outperform any 4000 USD Seiko with a durability, a value for a price and most important... with an accuracy.
Well yes, the Citizen A660/A060/0100 calibers will outpewill Grand seiko 8F and 9F. But it's apples and oranges, the price difference is big. I think GS 8F has been found in some Seiko but it's still in house, 9F is fully in house to GS and the Citizen calibers are only used under the Citizen brand. So apples and oranges IMO.
the ETA is superb!