I have this Chinese ETA movement in my Noob V8 submariner replica. It worked for 5 years 24/7 on my wrist. Now it’s being serviced at €200. The watch smith said it’s worth the effort as the movement is comparable with the original.
@@danielc9312 for what reason ? I have original and aaa+++ REPLICAS....i own 1 rolex datejust 1 omega aqua terra 1 omega speedmaster 1 omega aqua terra worldtimer 1 yema rallygraph 1 hamilton ALL ORIGINAL ADQUIRED ON THE AUTHORIZED DEALERS..AND I OWN 500 US$ TO 800 US$ AAA+++ REPLICAS of other models of rolex and omega and IWC WATCHES AND THE MATERIALS ARE A+ ACCURACY MEASURED buy timegrapher is 99.9999999% as close as originals....people need to undestand that china produce with the quality you pay.....i have replicas that are running since 2004 without any incident ...Just maintenance every 5 years...so for a modest human that can buy a decente timepiece for less that 1000 dollars is a great thing....
@@arturoramirez9134 a brand new Swiss ETA 2824-2 movement cost $200 dollar, why would you pay €200 to service a $60 Chinese movement? It doesn't make any sense and is actual very stupid thing to do?
Although very similar, you can definitely see the quality difference in the parts. Makes me wonder about the accuracy and longevity of the movement. This is also a very old video. I wonder if the Chinese have made improvements in the quality of their movements. I hope so.
People fall in love with the history of a watch and logo and branding it's everything.In actuality if the Swiss were to put out the cheapest watch that they can produce and stamp Swiss made on it, itWill always command a greater price over a watch that might be a much more higher quality watch but the fact that it says made in China it automatically devalues that watch. My take on it is that the Chinese are quite capable of producing high quality things if paid a fair price. But if you pay them to produce a cheap $10 watch well that's what your gonna get. I have had some Chinese watches and mostl kept very good time.
The teeth aren't cut as well as ETA's. We also don't know about the metal quality, spring life, how precisely the movements were oiled, how old they are (oil ages), how well they were stored. I hope China do well and make some better watches. ETA movements are the lowest rung of the Swiss ladder these days (30 years ago there were lower quality Swiss movements that this). A good star perhapst, but now it is time to hand finish some supremely high quality China designed movements. With labour so cheap in China, and clearly no shortage of people who can assemble watches, some genius Chinese designer should produce a real work of Chinese art, and get it made by the best of the best.
It looked like different grades of steel and the eta was overall more precise in the construction. Fantastic video thanks for uploading and sharing. Very interesting if this sort of thing floats your boat.
I Review Crap! It's always been that way. The Japanese, for example have always made a great watch. But because it's Japanese it was never considered to be as good. Again,it's all about the hype. That's like comparing the Swiss automotive industry to that of Japan and asking yourself which one is actually better?
It's just bling. You pay more for Swiss, or brand name watches, because they are a status symbol. Like a Ferrari, who needs one to get to work and back?
Great comparison. From the img, ETA looks more refine in details. Still ppl willing go for the brand for the gurantee quality control over the cheaper China made, although they perform almost the same. In fact ppl believe in “swiss made” quality. Even though the China quality up par and beyond Siwss made, but China can't charge same price as "Swiss Made". Let say if the product almost same price CHINA vs JAPAN, I believe people will still go to Japan, because of their reputation.
mirror less This can change, quality control can improve. Nobody thought much of Japanese cars prior to the 60's. Before that (in the 20's and 30's) they were basically producing cars based on American and European designs... and now...
+I Review Crap! I agree, right now some of the chinese company doing pretty well and constantly improve their product, like xiaomi, huawei, dji, they are really aggresive. They said they are moving towards "The new made in China era". It takes time to change people mindset and perspective.
In China the public pays extra to get "made in USA" products. They have a phobia from their own products from years of inferiority. That will change over time if everyone sits on their duffs and wait for them to catch up. Catching up is inevitable so all you can do is push to constantly improve and keep it a moving target.
Most sub $1500 Swiss watches are actually made in China and assembled in Switzerland. Most high end dials, cases and bracelets are made in China. Sellita and Claro Semag mechanical movements are made by Tianjin Seagull and finished in Switzerland.
ETA is better because of the life of the movement. Better steel, finishing, and lubrication. However, for price per performance - the CN movement wins by miles :)
It is appropriate you have chosen to re-publish this video nav san since it will be an eye-opener for the many new viewers who have joined our 'little' community during the last 18 months or so.
Equivalent Seiko movement is more accurate than Swiss. True.. Doesn't mean a $50 Seiko compares to a $10,000 Omega. Rather a $2,500 Grand Seiko compares to a $10,000 Omega. A $90 Seiko compares to a $!90 Tissot. Same thing here, except not.. Chinese movement still doesn't have the fit and finish of a Japanese or Swiss. It took Japan decades to get there, and it will take the Chinese a while too. It will be extremely rare you will find a Chinese watch today that is anywhere close to the Japanese or Swiss in terms of accuracy. The ETA 23 Jewel movement here, or even a equivalent Miyota can be found in $500-1,200 watches from several makers, is accurate to within and the Seagull 23 Jewel movement is found in $200-400 watches from several makers. That is why, even on the Repica market people prefer Japanese movement over Chinese. A watch may be an ascetic, but more importantly it tells the time. If it fails it's primary function, then it will end up on the shelf and people will lose interest in Horology.
This is obviously a Chinese sponsored video. The difference between the parts is actually evident and the solid feel of an ETA movement is still unmatched. The Chinese clone may outperform on a static timegrapher, yet when worn on your wrist an ETA will have no match.
Informative and subversive -- I love it! Thanks for taking the time to show the qualitative/performative differences. I don"t really agree with insinuations (and outright accusations) that Chinese manufacturers are ethically challenged when they reverse engineer products. It's not as if European or American companies don't employ identical tactics. In fact, that is the essence of innovation -- to copy something and make it better. If Swiss makers spent more time and money staying on the technical tip and less on marketing, they might achieve efficiencies and/or innovations that keep competitors at bay. How old is the ETA 2824-2 anyways? Fifty, sixty years? It's crazy to think they still produce that movement compared to what seiko has produced in the same time period. I am very tired of the Swiss hype and I appreciate that your video takes some steps to expose the fallacy that Swiss (or anything not Asian) is better. Please make more vids like this one. I have just subscribed!
Copying is NOT the essence of innovation. They teach you that in the degraded US school system? How much more do you think the Swiss can upgrade or improve? They are already on the threaded edge, trying to stay within their own definition of "mechanical" movements. The outside of the box was already blown away with the quartz disaster. You can already buy a junk watch with 1000's of times better accuracy for a pittance. There is nowhere for the Swiss to go, or anyone else for that matter. The watch face is the only refuge left, and the reason they say it is 80% of the value of the watch. Eventually even that has its limits. And by the way, the US does not engage in wholesale theft of intellectual property. They teach you that in the degraded US school systems too? The Chinese get away with it because the Chinese government doesn't follow the IP and patent agreements they signed up with. The Chinese courts also rule in favor of their own nationals. For decades foreign companies have had to open Chinese owned subsidiaries just to have standing in the courts to try to protect themselves. I also have to love your management advice. Spend more on the technical tip and less on marketing. I don't suppose you noticed the quartz disaster that decimated the markets way back when? Oh, you weren't born then? History means nothing to you? Marketing means nothing, because you have no clue what marketing is. I suppose you throw away your watch when you get tired of it too. The disposable generation(s).
@@donaldduck7628 I'm surprised you just got one 'Like'. Hey you've got two now! Your analysis is probably one of the most candid, intelligent and true to what's happened from The Quartz Crisis right up to modern day consumerism and how the cancer of a throwaway society has poisoned Horology.
Thanks for the video. I've been hoping you'd do a chinese/swiss movement comparison video. If I'm a legit watch maker I'd find this very troubling. Reading that calibrator or whatever that device at 3:38 is was a bit difficult, but your point is made.
Very interesting presentation. The copy parts nowadays are almost identical except quality at a finer level. Pity no one could see the Time Grapher though that you used to show how similar the pieces are, but we wouldn’t know as you can only see the reflection of you videoing with your phone.
It is more about the innovations and designs, which is the patent. For craftsmanship that the Chinese have able to 99 % accurately copied the swiss parts, just like Indian pharmaceutical companies usually copy medicines after the medicine's patent expired, so that production is not the hardest part.
So, Chinese achieved astonishing level of copying and producing such fine detail components as are parts of the watch mechanism. All it remains is that they achieve mass production and worldwide availability.
It seems to me that the Swiss need to up their game and put a little better quality into their movements like an Iso Certification. Just a thought. The Silleta sw200 Swiss movement is going into many of the watches today. Like Sinn U1& Invicta Pro Diver.
I don't think they will up there games anytime soon. As long as people keep paying for swiss made on the dial. Only the dangerously complacent or naïve could assume that swiss are safe.
the ETA 2824-2 was designed and patented over 50 years ago. I would like to see a clone ETA co axel omega movement then I'd be interested. they are almost there.
Yes, new one works good. Had a comment the other day that this is common on this miyota movement? Told me I should have regulated myself instead of sending back haha.
Aron Dunlap You should have told him you didn't buy a DIY watch thet you had to put together yourself. haha. BTW got your email will let you know in few days.
...now compare the Valjoux 77xx or the Valgranges A07.211 with their respective Asian counterparts. You won't be so impressed. A07.211 copy has 7 jewels compared to the 25 in the real McCoy. As an aside, in this vid, look at the bluing on the ETA parts compared to the Asian replica. Also look at the quality difference in the jewels on the pallet fork. The tooling marks on the base plate is also more pronounced on the Asian copy. However, at half the price ETA is gonna have to come up with some new and exciting movements. And don't hold your breath for any cheap, reliable Chinese Grand Complications with the finishing work you'll find in a Swiss factory.
drs2100 my bretling has the valjoux 77 you know and it keeps awesome time I also have a sterile gmt master 2 Asian automatic movement and I can't fault it. But in general you can't beat the Swiss when it comes to timepieces.
This is where they could put comparison of MIC 2025 project in place, yet China copies from ETA and probably wait until 2025 to see a Homage brand and a real Rolex comparing one, that is one is a Swiss Made Rolex the other is a Chinese Homage Seagull with a Grand Seiko copy movement as they want to compare it so China wants to dominate on that too.
Таким образом, товарищи, наши китайские товарищи догнали и перегнали наших швейцарских товарищей. А наши товарищи, те которые там получается нам совсем не товарищи.
After flicking my most recent watch, a tag heuer link, can safely say lower end swiss pieces are all overpriced marketing hype and advertising. Only got Japanese domestic seikos and orients now.. better quality at a much lower price point.
ETA Movment has more precisely machined parts, therefore Chinese parts look from far distance identical, but under 10x magnification you will see a big difference in quality terms between these 2 movts. Its unfortunate that asian parts made their way every where around the world this is because the poor its getting poorer so he cannot afford to fix his watch it may lay in a box abandoned, so the watch maker is not surviving either. Unless his using after market parts which will be for both profitable for client and watch maker in these modern days, where highest quality will no longer be mandatory. In almost every industry there is situation where parts comes very often from China.
TC (Thomas Caddell) has disappeared off the scene, pity, those movements are fantastic, I have one. But if you cant get them, you can get the Seagull ST2130 (TY2130) which may not be quite as fine as the TC but still very accurate. I have one of those too and wear it every day, accurate to +/- 2 seconds a day, so I'm very happy with it.
There are high quality Chinese watches and really nasty ones , Swiss watches are all grossly over priced because they actually pay their workers properly ...so I buy Russian ,They gave us Vodka the AK-47 and the Vostok Amphibia ...game set and match USSR
but with a swiss movement you'll know that you had an overpaid, overvalued, self important artisan who hand crafted your watch, and you'd be paying a premium for that.
Average watchmaker salary in Switzerland is approximately $30 per hour. You pay more to take your car to the garage. What you are paying for is the brand.
I don't like the music. I would rather hear commentary. The clones are good, but who spent all the time and money developing the movement? What you cannot see here is the quality of the materials, accuracy of them and the longevity of the movements over years being worn on the wrist every day! I do not believe the clones work better than the Swiss originals, that is impossible. The timegrapher screen is not visible enough in this video to prove anything.
Well I can say china knows how to hide inferiour quality. In metals for one. I've seen many brand name tools vs chinese knock offs fail miserly. And this video doesn't break down the componants by an expert like I've seen. I've seen plastic date wheels,jewels that are fake in one comparison.
I have a Rolex submariner normal China movement, and a Rolex submariner noob v6s eta, in the end i pik the ETA real better but 3x times more expensive Of course chinanoobfactory better than China normal movement, look the details ;)
The Chinese knock offs are far better. ETA is overrated anyway - they make horrible movements and are 40 years behind the curve vis a vis their Japanese competitors
Being in watch forums and knowing watchmakers and etc, I think that it doesn't matter how hard chinese try to do a great watch; maybe they can achieve it, but the problem is the reputation of the country, and in watch enthusiasts and connoisseurs world that is even more important than how accurate a movement is; I'm not saying this is ok, but it's a reality. China will never be respected as Swiss, Japan or Germany in the watch industry. It will never happen not even in a thousand years!.
I'm sure people said the same thing and felt the same way about Japanese products 50 years ago, and now Japan has an excellent reputation for quality goods and engineering. You can see the quality of Chinese goods improving almost daily, they are building up their quality and research and development, and they mean business! I'm sure European manufacturers will maintain their cachet for a while yet, but things change, and I certainly wouldn't bet against the Chinese being major players in the quality watch business within 50 years, well within if the Swiss/germans etc. continue to be complacent and the Chinese carry on pushing forward at their current rate.
OP.....What goes around, comes around.....I guess you don't know how the Swiss watch industry started. They produced fakes of English horology, which got its start by faking Italian, which ripped off Ottoman -- Which copied? Oh yes - the Chinese, who have the best claim of having invented mechanical time pieces 2500 years AFTER the ancient Egyptians.....So the Swiss are no better than the Chinese and in fact worse because they have China manufacture many watch cases and movements for them (ask yourself how the ETA movements came to be so similar) then exorbitantly over-price their products....Someone once said ""There's a sucker born every minute"....It was probably a Swiss bankster or watchmaker!
I have this Chinese ETA movement in my Noob V8 submariner replica. It worked for 5 years 24/7 on my wrist. Now it’s being serviced at €200. The watch smith said it’s worth the effort as the movement is comparable with the original.
For that much you could have just bought a brand new Swiss ETA movement and installed it yourself if you like the case enough.
@@danielc9312 for what reason ? I have original and aaa+++ REPLICAS....i own 1 rolex datejust 1 omega aqua terra 1 omega speedmaster 1 omega aqua terra worldtimer 1 yema rallygraph 1 hamilton ALL ORIGINAL ADQUIRED ON THE AUTHORIZED DEALERS..AND I OWN 500 US$ TO 800 US$ AAA+++ REPLICAS of other models of rolex and omega and IWC WATCHES AND THE MATERIALS ARE A+ ACCURACY MEASURED buy timegrapher is 99.9999999% as close as originals....people need to undestand that china produce with the quality you pay.....i have replicas that are running since 2004 without any incident ...Just maintenance every 5 years...so for a modest human that can buy a decente timepiece for less that 1000 dollars is a great thing....
@@arturoramirez9134 a brand new Swiss ETA 2824-2 movement cost $200 dollar, why would you pay €200 to service a $60 Chinese movement? It doesn't make any sense and is actual very stupid thing to do?
Can't read the display of the timing machine, unfortunately.
Although very similar, you can definitely see the quality difference in the parts. Makes me wonder about the accuracy and longevity of the movement. This is also a very old video. I wonder if the Chinese have made improvements in the quality of their movements. I hope so.
let me know when somebody gave their experience, bro
People fall in love with the history of a watch and logo and branding it's everything.In actuality if the Swiss were to put out the cheapest watch that they can produce and stamp Swiss made on it, itWill always command a greater price over a watch that might be a much more higher quality watch but the fact that it says made in China it automatically devalues that watch. My take on it is that the Chinese are quite capable of producing high quality things if paid a fair price. But if you pay them to produce a cheap $10 watch well that's what your gonna get. I have had some Chinese watches and mostl kept very good time.
A great comparison, though especially in the gear teeth and rivets, you can see where Swiss precision Engineering shines.
Patrick Hodgins if it was better it would perform better
Well it didn't
Actually most swiss watches now use chinese made parts and just polish it to make it look more refined.
Well it's not like Chinese can't build it more precise. They don't want to because of cost reasons.
The teeth aren't cut as well as ETA's. We also don't know about the metal quality, spring life, how precisely the movements were oiled, how old they are (oil ages), how well they were stored. I hope China do well and make some better watches. ETA movements are the lowest rung of the Swiss ladder these days (30 years ago there were lower quality Swiss movements that this). A good star perhapst, but now it is time to hand finish some supremely high quality China designed movements. With labour so cheap in China, and clearly no shortage of people who can assemble watches, some genius Chinese designer should produce a real work of Chinese art, and get it made by the best of the best.
It's amazing how good their quality has come I can see just Slight things I'm some pieces that show that the ETA is better made but not that much
It looked like different grades of steel and the eta was overall more precise in the construction. Fantastic video thanks for uploading and sharing. Very interesting if this sort of thing floats your boat.
So I wonder...has "Swiss Made" on a watch just become nothing more than branding, hype, and marketing now? Interesting.
Of course. How else do you think they can protect themselves in a cannibal market.
Its the law of open market. Even as we speak, almost 90% of western market brands are made in china but assembled in some where else
You mean the way it's always been? Lol
I Review Crap! It's always been that way. The Japanese, for example have always made a great watch. But because it's Japanese it was never considered to be as good. Again,it's all about the hype. That's like comparing the Swiss automotive industry to that of Japan and asking yourself which one is actually better?
It's just bling.
You pay more for Swiss, or brand name watches, because they are a status symbol.
Like a Ferrari, who needs one to get to work and back?
Great comparison. From the img, ETA looks more refine in details. Still ppl willing go for the brand for the gurantee quality control over the cheaper China made, although they perform almost the same. In fact ppl believe in “swiss made” quality. Even though the China quality up par and beyond Siwss made, but China can't charge same price as "Swiss Made". Let say if the product almost same price CHINA vs JAPAN, I believe people will still go to Japan, because of their reputation.
I agree
mirror less This can change, quality control can improve. Nobody thought much of Japanese cars prior to the 60's. Before that (in the 20's and 30's) they were basically producing cars based on American and European designs... and now...
+I Review Crap! I agree, right now some of the chinese company doing pretty well and constantly improve their product, like xiaomi, huawei, dji, they are really aggresive. They said they are moving towards "The new made in China era". It takes time to change people mindset and perspective.
mirror less x
In China the public pays extra to get "made in USA" products. They have a phobia from their own products from years of inferiority. That will change over time if everyone sits on their duffs and wait for them to catch up. Catching up is inevitable so all you can do is push to constantly improve and keep it a moving target.
Most sub $1500 Swiss watches are actually made in China and assembled in Switzerland.
Most high end dials, cases and bracelets are made in China.
Sellita and Claro Semag mechanical movements are made by Tianjin Seagull and finished in Switzerland.
It's scary just how good it is :D
Makes you like your Alpha even more right? =)
ETA is better because of the life of the movement. Better steel, finishing, and lubrication. However, for price per performance - the CN movement wins by miles :)
It is appropriate you have chosen to re-publish this video nav san since it will be an eye-opener for the many new viewers who have joined our 'little' community during the last 18 months or so.
Great info I'm looking into building a watch
Equivalent Seiko movement is more accurate than Swiss. True.. Doesn't mean a $50 Seiko compares to a $10,000 Omega. Rather a $2,500 Grand Seiko compares to a $10,000 Omega. A $90 Seiko compares to a $!90 Tissot.
Same thing here, except not.. Chinese movement still doesn't have the fit and finish of a Japanese or Swiss. It took Japan decades to get there, and it will take the Chinese a while too. It will be extremely rare you will find a Chinese watch today that is anywhere close to the Japanese or Swiss in terms of accuracy.
The ETA 23 Jewel movement here, or even a equivalent Miyota can be found in $500-1,200 watches from several makers, is accurate to within and the Seagull 23 Jewel movement is found in $200-400 watches from several makers.
That is why, even on the Repica market people prefer Japanese movement over Chinese. A watch may be an ascetic, but more importantly it tells the time. If it fails it's primary function, then it will end up on the shelf and people will lose interest in Horology.
This is obviously a Chinese sponsored video. The difference between the parts is actually evident and the solid feel of an ETA movement is still unmatched. The Chinese clone may outperform on a static timegrapher, yet when worn on your wrist an ETA will have no match.
hi there, is the jewel use in this chinese 2824 movement plastic or jewel? thanks a lot for the video
Are we supposed to be able to read that computer screen?
BTW- nice job putting more video thumbnails over the final statements.
The music was good.
Informative and subversive -- I love it! Thanks for taking the time to show the qualitative/performative differences.
I don"t really agree with insinuations (and outright accusations) that Chinese manufacturers are ethically challenged when they reverse engineer products. It's not as if European or American companies don't employ identical tactics. In fact, that is the essence of innovation -- to copy something and make it better.
If Swiss makers spent more time and money staying on the technical tip and less on marketing, they might achieve efficiencies and/or innovations that keep competitors at bay. How old is the ETA 2824-2 anyways? Fifty, sixty years? It's crazy to think they still produce that movement compared to what seiko has produced in the same time period.
I am very tired of the Swiss hype and I appreciate that your video takes some steps to expose the fallacy that Swiss (or anything not Asian) is better. Please make more vids like this one. I have just subscribed!
Copying is NOT the essence of innovation. They teach you that in the degraded US school system? How much more do you think the Swiss can upgrade or improve? They are already on the threaded edge, trying to stay within their own definition of "mechanical" movements. The outside of the box was already blown away with the quartz disaster. You can already buy a junk watch with 1000's of times better accuracy for a pittance. There is nowhere for the Swiss to go, or anyone else for that matter. The watch face is the only refuge left, and the reason they say it is 80% of the value of the watch. Eventually even that has its limits. And by the way, the US does not engage in wholesale theft of intellectual property. They teach you that in the degraded US school systems too? The Chinese get away with it because the Chinese government doesn't follow the IP and patent agreements they signed up with. The Chinese courts also rule in favor of their own nationals. For decades foreign companies have had to open Chinese owned subsidiaries just to have standing in the courts to try to protect themselves. I also have to love your management advice. Spend more on the technical tip and less on marketing. I don't suppose you noticed the quartz disaster that decimated the markets way back when? Oh, you weren't born then? History means nothing to you? Marketing means nothing, because you have no clue what marketing is. I suppose you throw away your watch when you get tired of it too. The disposable generation(s).
@@donaldduck7628 I'm surprised you just got one 'Like'. Hey you've got two now! Your analysis is probably one of the most candid, intelligent and true to what's happened from The Quartz Crisis right up to modern day consumerism and how the cancer of a throwaway society has poisoned Horology.
Thanks for the video. I've been hoping you'd do a chinese/swiss movement comparison video. If I'm a legit watch maker I'd find this very troubling. Reading that calibrator or whatever that device at 3:38 is was a bit difficult, but your point is made.
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Very interesting presentation. The copy parts nowadays are almost identical except quality at a finer level. Pity no one could see the Time Grapher though that you used to show how similar the pieces are, but we wouldn’t know as you can only see the reflection of you videoing with your phone.
How do you know you are getting a good Chinese clone? I have heard seagull is making the best but how do you know if you are being sold a seagull?
Thanks again this is very helpful
It is more about the innovations and designs, which is the patent. For craftsmanship that the Chinese have able to 99 % accurately copied the swiss parts, just like Indian pharmaceutical companies usually copy medicines after the medicine's patent expired, so that production is not the hardest part.
The copyright for ETA 2824 movements is already expired. This the reason why Seagull (chinese company) builds good wrist watch with ETA movements.
A more legible screen at the end? It would've been nice to see all the important stuff.
So, Chinese achieved astonishing level of copying and producing such fine detail components as are parts of the watch mechanism. All it remains is that they achieve mass production and worldwide availability.
It seems to me that the Swiss need to up their game and put a little better quality into their movements like an Iso Certification. Just a thought. The Silleta sw200 Swiss movement is going into many of the watches today. Like Sinn U1& Invicta Pro Diver.
I don't think they will up there games anytime soon. As long as people keep paying for swiss made on the dial. Only the dangerously complacent or naïve could assume that swiss are safe.
the ETA 2824-2 was designed and patented over 50 years ago. I would like to see a clone ETA co axel omega movement then I'd be interested. they are almost there.
Very cool comparison. I couldn't see the #'s on the timegrapher but I'll trust you on that. Excellent reproduction.
And Dan Henry still makes shit watches but people will say its the Chinese and not him.
Limited edition fashion watch ;-)
Aron Dunlap limited edition junk watches. Didn't you have to have yours replaced? As did I and many others.
Yes, new one works good. Had a comment the other day that this is common on this miyota movement? Told me I should have regulated myself instead of sending back haha.
Aron Dunlap
You should have told him you didn't buy a DIY watch thet you had to put together yourself. haha. BTW got your email will let you know in few days.
...now compare the Valjoux 77xx or the Valgranges A07.211 with their respective Asian counterparts. You won't be so impressed. A07.211 copy has 7 jewels compared to the 25 in the real McCoy. As an aside, in this vid, look at the bluing on the ETA parts compared to the Asian replica. Also look at the quality difference in the jewels on the pallet fork. The tooling marks on the base plate is also more pronounced on the Asian copy. However, at half the price ETA is gonna have to come up with some new and exciting movements. And don't hold your breath for any cheap, reliable Chinese Grand Complications with the finishing work you'll find in a Swiss factory.
drs2100 my bretling has the valjoux 77 you know and it keeps awesome time I also have a sterile gmt master 2 Asian automatic movement and I can't fault it. But in general you can't beat the Swiss when it comes to timepieces.
Why you didn't show us the measurements?
Damn ,watched that whole video then couldn't see the timegrapher!!! I would put my money on the Swiss though.
This is where they could put comparison of MIC 2025 project in place, yet China copies from ETA and probably wait until 2025 to see a Homage brand and a real Rolex comparing one, that is one is a Swiss Made Rolex the other is a Chinese Homage Seagull with a Grand Seiko copy movement as they want to compare it so China wants to dominate on that too.
Vi ringrazio per quanto state facendo.
It takes a blind man to not notice the differences.
Goodwork if that funtionaly only the fein politur is aut by chinees, but how are the price? sory for my english.
..nice video by the way.
I realy have no Idea by now, we need to wait some decades or Just some years. The design is the same, but what they are made?
Таким образом, товарищи, наши китайские товарищи догнали и перегнали наших швейцарских товарищей. А наши товарищи, те которые там получается нам совсем не товарищи.
And still the Swiss made will have 10s/year and the Chinese will have 20s/month. Cars too have the same parts but...you know.
After flicking my most recent watch, a tag heuer link, can safely say lower end swiss pieces are all overpriced marketing hype and advertising. Only got Japanese domestic seikos and orients now.. better quality at a much lower price point.
ETA Movment has more precisely machined parts, therefore Chinese parts look from far distance identical, but under 10x magnification you will see a big difference in quality terms between these 2 movts. Its unfortunate that asian parts made their way every where around the world this is because the poor its getting poorer so he cannot afford to fix his watch it may lay in a box abandoned, so the watch maker is not surviving either. Unless his using after market parts which will be for both profitable for client and watch maker in these modern days, where highest quality will no longer be mandatory. In almost every industry there is situation where parts comes very often from China.
Where to get the tc2824 movement?
TC (Thomas Caddell) has disappeared off the scene, pity, those movements are fantastic, I have one. But if you cant get them, you can get the Seagull ST2130 (TY2130) which may not be quite as fine as the TC but still very accurate. I have one of those too and wear it every day, accurate to +/- 2 seconds a day, so I'm very happy with it.
People are buying for reputation and not function, they will gladly pay for a "Swiss watch" than buying MIC products
Dark screen on timing machine very uninformative. Get a cheap Chinese clone Timegrapher- shows up good on videos
Its all in the mind set.
My seagull 2130 in my Ocean Star has seagull engraved on the rotor
Beside acuracy, long term duarability matter remains.
could not see time grapher
There are high quality Chinese watches and really nasty ones , Swiss watches are all grossly over priced because they actually pay their workers properly ...so I buy Russian ,They gave us Vodka the AK-47 and the Vostok Amphibia ...game set and match USSR
Yeah, Russians. Aren't they just the best?
I bought a Rolex Superclone with Chinese Eta....it was working for 30 days. Forget about that Asian shit.
but with a swiss movement you'll know that you had an overpaid, overvalued, self important artisan who hand crafted your watch, and you'd be paying a premium for that.
First World wages. Are you too self-important for them?
Average watchmaker salary in Switzerland is approximately $30 per hour. You pay more to take your car to the garage. What you are paying for is the brand.
Good
I have 2 made in China. Sewor and winner. Its ok for me.make me hand some Lol
IBM products were always made elsewhere,,why not watches,,
I don't like the music. I would rather hear commentary. The clones are good, but who spent all the time and money developing the movement? What you cannot see here is the quality of the materials, accuracy of them and the longevity of the movements over years being worn on the wrist every day! I do not believe the clones work better than the Swiss originals, that is impossible. The timegrapher screen is not visible enough in this video to prove anything.
I didnt see anything so chinese is good
Then i choose seiko, at least its not a fake movement
this is not a fake movement, is the Venus 175 but made by seagull. they got the property of it and the machinery and also the rights
Crazy
Indistinguishable? You must be blind!
Can any one else see the screen lol
Optez pentru mecanismele Chinezesti chiar daca nu stralucesc
Экран прибора не виден, хоть бы запись смотрели
Good artist copy, great artist steal
Well I can say china knows how to hide inferiour quality. In metals for one. I've seen many brand name tools vs chinese knock offs fail miserly. And this video doesn't break down the componants by an expert like I've seen. I've seen plastic date wheels,jewels that are fake in one comparison.
I have a Rolex submariner normal China movement, and a Rolex submariner noob v6s eta, in the end i pik the ETA real better but 3x times more expensive Of course chinanoobfactory better than China normal movement, look the details ;)
The Chinese knock offs are far better. ETA is overrated anyway - they make horrible movements and are 40 years behind the curve vis a vis their Japanese competitors
music, pls!
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's Michael Hedges. Definitely sounds like Michael Hedges style.
Being in watch forums and knowing watchmakers and etc, I think that it doesn't matter how hard chinese try to do a great watch; maybe they can achieve it, but the problem is the reputation of the country, and in watch enthusiasts and connoisseurs world that is even more important than how accurate a movement is; I'm not saying this is ok, but it's a reality. China will never be respected as Swiss, Japan or Germany in the watch industry. It will never happen not even in a thousand years!.
I'm sure people said the same thing and felt the same way about Japanese products 50 years ago, and now Japan has an excellent reputation for quality goods and engineering.
You can see the quality of Chinese goods improving almost daily, they are building up their quality and research and development, and they mean business!
I'm sure European manufacturers will maintain their cachet for a while yet, but things change, and I certainly wouldn't bet against the Chinese being major players in the quality watch business within 50 years, well within if the Swiss/germans etc. continue to be complacent and the Chinese carry on pushing forward at their current rate.
I'm not just talking about the technology, China makes very good things, but the reputation as a country is a bit messy, and sadly that matters!.
The Eternal what about xiaomi or huawei?
OP.....What goes around, comes around.....I guess you don't know how the Swiss watch industry started. They produced fakes of English horology, which got its start by faking Italian, which ripped off Ottoman -- Which copied? Oh yes - the Chinese, who have the best claim of having invented mechanical time pieces 2500 years AFTER the ancient Egyptians.....So the Swiss are no better than the Chinese and in fact worse because they have China manufacture many watch cases and movements for them (ask yourself how the ETA movements came to be so similar) then exorbitantly over-price their products....Someone once said ""There's a sucker born every minute"....It was probably a Swiss bankster or watchmaker!
Maybe you didn't know: Swiss Pharmacy started with generics. And my granddad was a Swiss Watch maker (no joke).
ha haa, it is copying !!! creating is difficult !!! however chinese are experts in copying...
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Chinese is for 5 years eta is for 50 years