I can't handle metal plating 3D prints

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  • Опубліковано 4 тра 2023
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  • @MadeWithLayers
    @MadeWithLayers  Рік тому +9

    Also watch this video where I have a bit more success with electroplating ua-cam.com/video/xOXaC-Jh70g/v-deo.html
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  • @SweatyBetty600
    @SweatyBetty600 Рік тому +131

    You need to use primer on the print before the cooper, most paints won’t adhere properly to 3D resin by itself

  • @RealCaptainAutismo
    @RealCaptainAutismo Рік тому +104

    the surface area and distance of your nodes matter alot and link close to the power requirements. also the copper coating your using Ive personally seen alot of issues with. personally I would get a normal paint dilute with tiny bit of water then add powered copper to the mix then use that as your coating. Hope this helps, cant wait for more content

    • @natdizzle4259
      @natdizzle4259 3 місяці тому

      I've never 3D printed anything but I've been a glass artist for years and have done a bit of electroplating I have the same issues where I didn't want to stick to the glass I think the reaction happens but instead of it getting pulled onto the piece it gets pulled off the piece some of the products that I used I just had to use other crap but I found that I needed to primer it to make it stick and hold the object. Also cranking the power up or lower in it can have a huge effect

  • @integza
    @integza 17 днів тому +4

    It really helps to move the part around, make sure the clip that is grabbing the part has the same or worst electrical conductivity as the paint and starting with a low current

    • @Travlie
      @Travlie 4 дні тому

      Integza helping a German 3D Printing Channel. Cool

  • @Justin-ng4zg
    @Justin-ng4zg Рік тому +5

    Mistakes I saw: No citric acid on the part? No part prep? No coffee filter on the positive copper plates?

  • @mongini1
    @mongini1 Рік тому +35

    you need a binding agent between the copper spray and the model ^^

  • @nobodyuknow4911
    @nobodyuknow4911 Рік тому +5

    First, you'll need a surface properly prepped to adhere to paint, so likely a high-grit sandpaper since it's a resin model.
    Second, clean clean clean clean clean it within an inch of its life, never EVER touching it with bare hands because even the tiniest fingerprint can and often WILL come out in the electroplate.
    Then you'll likely be best served with a good primer, there are even electroplating primers for just this purpose. Again making sure never to touch it bare handed.

  • @danielkrah5129
    @danielkrah5129 Рік тому +53

    According to his Impressum HEN3DRIK lives only ~130KM away from you. Maybe a opportunity to make a collaboration?

  • @Perky_the_Great
    @Perky_the_Great 9 місяців тому +4

    You can also use a graphite coating spray instead of copper. Graphite is a relatively good conductor, and I think its also is able to better stick to microabrasions present on the print itself

  • @Heavens_Rejected
    @Heavens_Rejected Рік тому +6

    Peter Brown recently did a project here he painted laser cut wood with a conductive graphite paint before plating it. but helps that wood would hold the paint better in the first place.

    • @shawnalfaro6943
      @shawnalfaro6943 9 місяців тому

      thats what ive seen so far and what i suggested as well

  • @omeybadakh30
    @omeybadakh30 Рік тому +4

    Polish the surface after copper spray coating and instead of crocodile clips use copper wire... The current should be between 0.6 to 1 ampere to do it correctly...

  • @bleeblin5252
    @bleeblin5252 9 місяців тому +3

    Lightly sand the part or sandblast it, then primer, then conductive paint.

  • @nicholas_kujawa
    @nicholas_kujawa 11 місяців тому +1

    Use a primer designed for plastic adhesion.
    Then apply multiple, thin coats of the copper coating paint. Or you could have it powder-coated with powdered copper.

  • @mohammadalabdulrazzaq
    @mohammadalabdulrazzaq 11 місяців тому +2

    its the paint .... i used mg chemicals nickel or silver paintworks great and has resistance of 0.02 ohm and copper sticks to it great

  • @TheBryce98
    @TheBryce98 Рік тому +8

    A lot of comments have suggested plastic primer, and that definitely will help, but also roughing up the surface (not much though - I reckon even something as fine as 800 grit wet or dry will key the surface enough if the primer is good) will make any paint stick much better.

  • @chuckcharles5963
    @chuckcharles5963 Рік тому +10

    Most people I’ve seen use a nickel based paint for the base layer

  • @marcus_w0
    @marcus_w0 Рік тому +1

    I had good results with super fine graphite powder mixed with acrylic paint and a bit of cleaning alcohol. And an airbrush.

  • @ovDarkness
    @ovDarkness Рік тому +1

    Best results with coating resin parts are achieved by vacuum metalization.

  • @willernst8376
    @willernst8376 Рік тому +2

    Ive actually found that though it seems more conductive paints like silver, nickel and copper would be better, carbon/graphite seems to be the best. I think the resistance causes the parts to plate more evenly than super conductive coatings. Actually in industry, sometimes they just dust on a super thin layer or graphite and that works. Anway, i have had sucess with plating pla with caopper in a super simple plating bath with graphite shielding paint from mg chemicals.

    • @court2379
      @court2379 11 місяців тому

      The plating books I have read support your statement and say to use graphite, but I have no personal experience with it.

  • @ValTek_Armory
    @ValTek_Armory 5 місяців тому +1

    Try giving the part extra time to cure and then give it a coat of primer. Not thoroughly cured MSLA resins give off sulfur compounds that interfere with silicone curing among other things. An alternative is giving the part a coat of Inhibit-X before doing the paint

  • @shiftyjesusfish
    @shiftyjesusfish 11 місяців тому +1

    gently sand blast the part before applying the spray coating, might help

  • @tetsuoswrath
    @tetsuoswrath Рік тому +1

    Would using a filament with metal in it help? I had some pla a while back that had metal in it for magnetism and so you could do rust effects on a print. Maybe having some kind of “metallic” filament could help the plating adhere easier?

  • @010falcon
    @010falcon 9 місяців тому +1

    If the paint starts coming off you must reduce the current (rate of electrolysis, otherwise this will always happen, the car industry has developed techniques to use very high currents, but these are very secret)
    Many other comments already mentioned it, prime the surface and rough it up by sandblasting, but in my humble opinion, I don't think it will make much of a difference.
    Apply more coats of copper.

  • @clayton9136
    @clayton9136 3 дні тому

    You could try a zinc based primer, used in marine painting applications. Its incredibly durable, and air will stick to it its a great thing.

  • @bananaman9921
    @bananaman9921 3 місяці тому

    Shake the part in tub of baking soda for awhile. Baking soda is a light abrasive and will sand the parts exterior very very lightly halping the coating to adhere to the part. Will need to rinse with distilled watter or rubbing alcohol. This ticks seemed to work.

  • @JustAlb1n
    @JustAlb1n Рік тому +3

    There’s a German UA-camr that does it watch he’s channel

  • @alvaliable
    @alvaliable Рік тому +1

    use primer frist before use grafite powder and cover all corner witth a brush or cotton swab

  • @MisterKaen
    @MisterKaen Рік тому +1

    Conductive filament maybe?

  • @miracleotugo
    @miracleotugo 9 місяців тому

    The part has to be a conductor before it can be plated.
    Try going over the part with a graphite spray and test if electroplating works.

  • @JosephCornishV
    @JosephCornishV 7 місяців тому

    Use a coating of graphite prior to dunking the past in the electricity bath. Graphite spray is available in spray cans, but using a graphite paint and applying it with a brush could be more thorough for small intricate builds.

  • @whitejtw
    @whitejtw Рік тому +1

    How about sandblasting the print before painting so the first layer of paint has more to grab on to? Thanks for sharing your struggle, the journey is more enlightening than the destination

  • @ssaw88
    @ssaw88 3 місяці тому

    Try a metal fill filament. Electrically ground the print, positive charge to the spray can. Then do your other steps!

  • @DieSnider
    @DieSnider 6 місяців тому

    have you tried to beadblast the part before primer and paint? Always a choice for resin prints

  • @nicamarvin
    @nicamarvin 9 місяців тому

    Electroless Nickel Plating is best to use a base before Copper plating it.

  • @shawnalfaro6943
    @shawnalfaro6943 9 місяців тому

    try spraying graphite spray on it after your sealer and before your copper paint

  • @Roelasia
    @Roelasia Рік тому +1

    the missing step is electroless copper, the more difficult part:) $$ palladium/tin activator

  • @Eigengrau608
    @Eigengrau608 Рік тому

    Can't you add graphite to the resin and do the same electrolysis?

  • @shodanxx
    @shodanxx 3 місяці тому

    That's because you have to use graphite paint. Even better if you mix your own out of graphite powder and a light binder solvent

  • @blaqlabspodcast5816
    @blaqlabspodcast5816 23 дні тому +1

    The secret is labmetal..spray that on and it should work....

  • @natdizzle4259
    @natdizzle4259 3 місяці тому

    You may need to prime or just use another product I've blown glass for years with a torch and we got into painting certain areas of the glass and electroplating pieces had the same issues some of the products just didn't work for me. what's happening is the reaction is happening but instead of sucking metal onto your piece it's sucking metal off your piece you're going to need to prime it with something that's going to make it stick

  • @afourtrackmind
    @afourtrackmind 6 місяців тому

    It’s because you’re doing it wrong.
    You need to connect one side of the voltage to your part and the other to the material you’re trying to deposit on the part. Can’t remember which is anode and cathode.
    You’re shorting the part out.

  • @AndrewHelgeCox
    @AndrewHelgeCox 7 місяців тому

    Can you get yourself invited to a factory 3D printing something really big like a boat hull to gibe us a tour?

  • @PaulojnPereira
    @PaulojnPereira Рік тому

    Start with a simpler test form and use graphite paint, white acrylic paint mixed with graphite dust will work. I would probably start testing with PLA and use a butylene/methylene fixing agent to keep the paint on the part.

  • @3dpathfinder
    @3dpathfinder 7 місяців тому

    Your using a graphite paint right?

  • @jasonMontalvo1
    @jasonMontalvo1 7 місяців тому +1

    Looks like you're trying to plate nickel over copper paint?
    Need to plate copper first.

  • @Horstelin
    @Horstelin Рік тому

    Maybe it would be an idea to suspend some fine copper (or other conductive material) powder in the resin?

  • @designstation8413
    @designstation8413 Рік тому

    Your skills are built for show

  • @Kaliumcyanidful
    @Kaliumcyanidful Рік тому

    Maybe a Problem with the solvents used? Have you tried FDM base Part?

  • @bytesandbikes
    @bytesandbikes Рік тому

    a semi conductive plastic, like one with graphite, should support "electroless" nickel plating.

  • @davidgutting4317
    @davidgutting4317 11 місяців тому

    Have you tried graphite paint? It’s conductive and has different adhesion qualities.

  • @gannas42
    @gannas42 Рік тому

    The paint needs more texture to adhere to. Not sure how to solve that without sanding or chemical bonding.

  • @peterrusanoff1010
    @peterrusanoff1010 Рік тому

    Plating is a pain
    Buy a book about it and you will be surprised at the results
    Also you should of used bright acidic copper,
    did you calculate your surface area for the voltage! The part looks burnt up
    Copper paint is a pain you can always try silver. Works like a charm

  • @charmio
    @charmio Рік тому

    I can say much with certainty but what I can say is you definitely have a problem with bonding to the plastic. I'd speculate that the thicker metal coating is just revealing that problem because the coating is now much more rigid and comes of in sheets when scratched. I'd focus on getting better adhesion: try a primer (might need to try a few different ones to find the one that works best). You could also experiment with different printing resins, liqcreate Composite-X naturally has a very slightly rough surface finish, it's expensive and hard to print with but one of my favourite resins. Might work well for this though I cant say for sure.

  • @geekswithfeet9137
    @geekswithfeet9137 2 місяці тому

    So many things wrong, not priming the plastic, not using a surround electrode to even out the current density and way to much current for an initial strike

  • @PaulsGarage
    @PaulsGarage Рік тому

    Castable resin and investment cast one in solid copper? Then its extra heavy in case you need to throw it at someine 😂

  • @kataseiko
    @kataseiko Рік тому

    Give sputtering a try.. The benchy should be small enough.

  • @Gravybagel
    @Gravybagel 11 місяців тому

    Electroless plating!

  • @MrZigzter
    @MrZigzter Рік тому

    It needs keying and/or priming.

  • @janbroz4681
    @janbroz4681 Рік тому

    current might be too high

  • @koankharisma211
    @koankharisma211 10 місяців тому

    Try graphite yeah its expensive but so is gold

  • @francootaola9172
    @francootaola9172 Рік тому

    Funny enough , I had an student working on this and in 4 months we couldn't achieve results like in the youtube videos lol. What we concluded was that the intensity was to strong and the layer of metal was thick and rought... Even with the lowest intensity we could use

    • @PaulojnPereira
      @PaulojnPereira Рік тому

      I was thinking about that the copper may be too thin and acting as a resistant and heating up the resin underneath. He should try with graphite paint since it has less conductivity.

  •  9 місяців тому

    I know what's wrong with it, it ain't got no gas in it!

  • @ryan1e
    @ryan1e Рік тому

    self etching primer should help with that.

    • @charmio
      @charmio Рік тому +1

      Isn't self etching meant for use on metals?
      I don't think you can etch plastic the same way.

  • @mattcouling5865
    @mattcouling5865 6 місяців тому

    Not only do you need primer but you need to sand it so its a bit ruff and the primer has something to grab prime it sand again as many coats as it takes until smooth then spray the copper

  • @airsubzero
    @airsubzero 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for sharing that with us. It holds significant value for many of us to witness both the frustrations and the pursuit of perfection. It makes the journey feel more relatable and encourages us to give it a try ourselves.

  • @keunartist
    @keunartist Рік тому

    sand & prime !!

  • @drubradley8821
    @drubradley8821 Рік тому

    Reverse the polarity. You have the idea of anode and cathode backwards.

  • @SirDragonClaw
    @SirDragonClaw Рік тому

    You didn't use a primer first.

  • @jmanzemail
    @jmanzemail Рік тому

    You'd be much better off with the world's best chrome paint and an airbrush!💯

  • @chyrt
    @chyrt Рік тому

    no full length?

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  Рік тому

      There may be an issue with the shorts description. If it is blank, view the entire video here: ua-cam.com/video/xOXaC-Jh70g/v-deo.html

    • @chyrt
      @chyrt Рік тому

      @@MadeWithLayers Thank you!

  • @phantom246
    @phantom246 Рік тому

    i would practice on basic shapes. also aerosol can is a no no

  • @SixTough
    @SixTough 11 місяців тому +1

    This is not gonna work

  • @IVAN_ENT
    @IVAN_ENT 8 місяців тому

    Way to just give up,should keep trying ,its not even that hard i just did my first few electroplated pieces, edit * I stand by this comment I really think you gave up for little reason after a slight failure I been having loads of fun plating 3d prints and other stuff last few weeks

  • @PGmining10
    @PGmining10 Рік тому +2

    Is it the paint you are using?

    • @HyrumBurleson
      @HyrumBurleson Рік тому

      I’m guessing a copper conductive paint

    • @PGmining10
      @PGmining10 Рік тому

      @@HyrumBurleson I thought you were typically better off using a graphite paint or even better a nickel paint for its higher conductivity. They are hard to get in some countries depending on environmental laws.

  • @radishdalek
    @radishdalek Рік тому

    An electroplating 3d prints tutorial using graphite paint - ua-cam.com/video/TlD9USAhcEs/v-deo.html

  • @ronbaer67
    @ronbaer67 Рік тому

    you should check out alex lab. he has a proven process and has done several full iron man suits with it

  • @digitalzoul57
    @digitalzoul57 2 місяці тому

    Are you the guy in breaking bad

  • @EduV
    @EduV Рік тому

    use graphite spray paint ma guy

  • @lupeters213
    @lupeters213 Рік тому

    youtube.com/@hen3drik has a whole channel dedicated to electro plating 3d prints

    • @efficincy
      @efficincy Рік тому

      …and is also from south of Germany.

  • @NWlog
    @NWlog 6 місяців тому

    i ll teach you how to do it, i know that from a dental techician point of view

  • @LauriEkman
    @LauriEkman Рік тому

    You need plastic primer!

  • @JimmyJames420
    @JimmyJames420 Рік тому

    Carbon fiber PLA bro

  • @zbrutalis
    @zbrutalis Рік тому

    Try graphine paint

  • @baby-turtle
    @baby-turtle Рік тому

    Switch your leads

  • @Jkauppa
    @Jkauppa 11 місяців тому

    too high current

    • @Jkauppa
      @Jkauppa 11 місяців тому

      tin sn99 soldering filament direct 3d print btw

  • @Buzzhumma
    @Buzzhumma Рік тому

    Talk to them

  • @-martintheengineer-7465
    @-martintheengineer-7465 Рік тому

    👍

  • @android4cg
    @android4cg Рік тому

    Just ask @hen3drik and i am sure he knows the soltuion.