Thank you for doing this video. I usually find my expectations dashed a bit when I want something, research and eventually purchase it and find things I didn’t expect. I never expected the build quality to be so shoddy! My greatest concern with this product would be the material of the “screen” section and the quality control of how the holes were made & finished. Would love to see electron-microscope pictures of the holes and the edges. If punched you have burrs out the other side, if laser-cut you can have micro serrations of melted metal splatter, and etching can also leave irregular dissolved edges. With out the perfect holes having rounded edges you will essentially have a cheese grater/lemon zester and continue to degrade your original grind of the beans.
Another great video. I’ll continue to live without a kruve with confidence. Thank you! I’m looking forward to the eureka single dose grinder video next!
Although it's expensive, it has made my pour overs HUGELY better. Removed 1-1.5 grams of fines per each 10g. That loss has made the world of a difference.
Me too. I bought the Kruve to filter for both pourover and french press. For pourover it has made a world of difference, but for french press the difference has been even bigger. My french press brews literally have the clarity and texture of a high end paper-filtered brew. No scum in the bottom of the cup either since all the fines have been filtered out.
I have a set for evaluating grinders they are a bargain compared to scientific mesh grading sieves. I agree the sieve holder is terrible. Many of us wrote in to kruve before the reboot to upgrade to a plastic or metal lid so warping would not be an issue, nothing yet perhaps in the future. They are definitely not a per cup tool but great for a tasting lab or shop with several different grinders. The fellow shimmy is a one size fines sieve that you can use to clean up grounds more easily on a per cup basis when you have the time. I think many people feel they can use these sieves to pull 5k grinder performance from a budget grinder. Theoretically yes but you will pay so much in time (especially cleaning) it is not worth it.
Reminds me of people who go insane over neutrality in audio equipment in an attempt to "get what it sounded like in the studio." They even dismiss tubes because it adds distortion and other artifacts, missing the whole point of using a tube.
It actually works to change the flavor and make a better cup. Esp for pour overs and Aeropress.. The fines are bad for flavor. This is also perfect for getting the right size in precise grinders.. Use it if you are trying to dial in. .For non discerning people, just make coffee and drink.
I think many OCD bent people get into coffee for some pursuit for perfection following advice from others similarly bent. Being a knife sharpener I see people falling headfirst into rabbit holes in a pursuit of some imagined level of perfection. Me, I like good coffee and sharp knives. Of all the "stuff" I have accumulated my go to is a Aeropress and a Arkansas whetstone.
What about a basic 200 micron shaker style filter like the Fellow Shimmy to pair with the Niche Zero for the occasional crowd pleasing big pourover/French press? I am not into having multiple grinders And all of the negative reviews on the Niche don't really affect me because I like the large, smooth, traditional espresso flavors. That coupled with the facts I'm not getting a temperature profiling machine to be able to extract lighter roasts anyway (I'm ordering a Breville Bambino Plus which is supposed to pair really well with the niche and be very low mess as a daily driver setup). I just occasionally want to be able to Make a good easy pour over or French press for a crowd and I'm wondering if a simple sifter coupled with your microdosing method for the Niche would fix all my worries? Thank you.
0.2mm is a good place to cut off fines for brewing, so I agree with the size. It's not always easy to get the coffee to pass through a foil-type screen in that size range, though. (See my experiences with static cling in the Kruve sifter vid.) I would say, try the split dosing first and see if the coffee suits you. If not, then maybe take it to the next level.
@The Wired Gourmet Thank you for your response! That was actually my plan (after I saw your video on spit dosing that is) and I'm really glad you endorse it with your experience.
This is why I like my fellow shimmy, relatively cheap and for me it takes out most of the particles that jamb up my v60, sometime I wdt them into the liquid for the draw down too, much easier to use if less precise.
Again a very nice video. Are you planning to share your thoughts on the df64 or the new eureka single dose anytime soon? Lol just as i was writing you mentioned the eureka! I cant wait for that video!
So far, I have saved money not buying a distributor, self leveling tamper or kruve sifter. Thank you! In the world of coffee, I feel that there are a lot of valid choices. One of the few times to unequivocally reject a gadget is when the product doesn’t do what it advertises in a user friendly way.
finally someone who is not afraid to find problems with a product. too many of the "reviews" you see around are just promotions, paid with the product itself.
The musical harmony analogy made me wonder if anyone has tried using these filters to combine multiple grind sizes into a single shot to achieve some sort of "harmonious" flavor profile. EDIT: I'm not the first to think of this. Apparently, this is called a "staccato shot".
I understand you really dislike coffee sifters, but there's something you never mentioned in the video. Does it actually improve the clarity of the drink? from my experience it does significantly.
whats even worse is the clear espresso glass cups from Kruve, they have a wide mid section, so when putting 2 cups side by side under the spouts of a portafilter, coffee will miss the cups.......bad design and they*re not pretty.....
That's not even true. There are several review videos of that glass set showing the coffee landing well inside them, using a standard commercial double spout. Unless you meant the Kruve EQ set, which are meant for filter coffee and not espresso.
For me the kruve is great especially for optimizing your grinder setting. It will help you waste less. Personally I use all the grinds in the sifter. There is no waste in coffee but optimization.
I had a bean that shocked me upon first brew. It was awful. I thought something must be wrong. The roaster was renown for high quality. It turned out the paper on these beans were super distinct so i seived it away and the flavor was decent. Finally I used a super fine seive I had to remove the fines. The cup was incredible. I think in some ways you're missing the point of this product. While it's disappointing to see build quality and design issues in this product, nobody else seems to be making a product that removes both fines and oversized grounds. Refining to this degree produces a clarity in the cup that will impact your understanding of coffee forever. Honestly after your thoughts on this product I'd be pretty suspect about your ability to review grinders.
I want a set of those for my special herbs. 😇
Dude, what did I say about static cling?
Thank you for doing this video. I usually find my expectations dashed a bit when I want something, research and eventually purchase it and find things I didn’t expect. I never expected the build quality to be so shoddy!
My greatest concern with this product would be the material of the “screen” section and the quality control of how the holes were made & finished. Would love to see electron-microscope pictures of the holes and the edges. If punched you have burrs out the other side, if laser-cut you can have micro serrations of melted metal splatter, and etching can also leave irregular dissolved edges.
With out the perfect holes having rounded edges you will essentially have a cheese grater/lemon zester and continue to degrade your original grind of the beans.
Another great video. I’ll continue to live without a kruve with confidence. Thank you! I’m looking forward to the eureka single dose grinder video next!
Thanks. Yeah, there are far better things to spend your money on :)
Although it's expensive, it has made my pour overs HUGELY better. Removed 1-1.5 grams of fines per each 10g. That loss has made the world of a difference.
Me too. I bought the Kruve to filter for both pourover and french press. For pourover it has made a world of difference, but for french press the difference has been even bigger. My french press brews literally have the clarity and texture of a high end paper-filtered brew. No scum in the bottom of the cup either since all the fines have been filtered out.
@@HarryByrne-i5iwhat inserts do you use for pour over
Love your review style and appreciate the intro every time. 👍🏼
Thanks. I appreciate that!
I have a set for evaluating grinders they are a bargain compared to scientific mesh grading sieves. I agree the sieve holder is terrible. Many of us wrote in to kruve before the reboot to upgrade to a plastic or metal lid so warping would not be an issue, nothing yet perhaps in the future. They are definitely not a per cup tool but great for a tasting lab or shop with several different grinders. The fellow shimmy is a one size fines sieve that you can use to clean up grounds more easily on a per cup basis when you have the time. I think many people feel they can use these sieves to pull 5k grinder performance from a budget grinder. Theoretically yes but you will pay so much in time (especially cleaning) it is not worth it.
Reminds me of people who go insane over neutrality in audio equipment in an attempt to "get what it sounded like in the studio." They even dismiss tubes because it adds distortion and other artifacts, missing the whole point of using a tube.
Yes, the quest for perfection -- it can really get obsessive :)
I appreciate your sacrifice, thanks.
Someone's got to do it :)
It actually works to change the flavor and make a better cup. Esp for pour overs and Aeropress.. The fines are bad for flavor. This is also perfect for getting the right size in precise grinders.. Use it if you are trying to dial in. .For non discerning people, just make coffee and drink.
Your analogy with music really nailed it, even the most expensive grinder still produce fines (obviously less than the cheaper one)
I think many OCD bent people get into coffee for some pursuit for perfection following advice from others similarly bent. Being a knife sharpener I see people falling headfirst into rabbit holes in a pursuit of some imagined level of perfection. Me, I like good coffee and sharp knives. Of all the "stuff" I have accumulated my go to is a Aeropress and a Arkansas whetstone.
Quite sound :)
What about a basic 200 micron shaker style filter like the Fellow Shimmy to pair with the Niche Zero for the occasional crowd pleasing big pourover/French press? I am not into having multiple grinders And all of the negative reviews on the Niche don't really affect me because I like the large, smooth, traditional espresso flavors. That coupled with the facts I'm not getting a temperature profiling machine to be able to extract lighter roasts anyway (I'm ordering a Breville Bambino Plus which is supposed to pair really well with the niche and be very low mess as a daily driver setup). I just occasionally want to be able to Make a good easy pour over or French press for a crowd and I'm wondering if a simple sifter coupled with your microdosing method for the Niche would fix all my worries? Thank you.
0.2mm is a good place to cut off fines for brewing, so I agree with the size. It's not always easy to get the coffee to pass through a foil-type screen in that size range, though. (See my experiences with static cling in the Kruve sifter vid.) I would say, try the split dosing first and see if the coffee suits you. If not, then maybe take it to the next level.
@The Wired Gourmet Thank you for your response! That was actually my plan (after I saw your video on spit dosing that is) and I'm really glad you endorse it with your experience.
This is why I like my fellow shimmy, relatively cheap and for me it takes out most of the particles that jamb up my v60, sometime I wdt them into the liquid for the draw down too, much easier to use if less precise.
Again a very nice video. Are you planning to share your thoughts on the df64 or the new eureka single dose anytime soon? Lol just as i was writing you mentioned the eureka! I cant wait for that video!
Thanks. Neither can I :)
Jus t discovered you channel. The. Best. Videos! Honest truth
Thanks very much and welcome to the community :)
Good editing on this video, i liked it. Will you do a review off the single dose grinder DF64?
So far, I have saved money not buying a distributor, self leveling tamper or kruve sifter.
Thank you!
In the world of coffee, I feel that there are a lot of valid choices. One of the few times to unequivocally reject a gadget is when the product doesn’t do what it advertises in a user friendly way.
finally someone who is not afraid to find problems with a product. too many of the "reviews" you see around are just promotions, paid with the product itself.
Thanks. That's why I pay full retail :)
The musical harmony analogy made me wonder if anyone has tried using these filters to combine multiple grind sizes into a single shot to achieve some sort of "harmonious" flavor profile.
EDIT: I'm not the first to think of this. Apparently, this is called a "staccato shot".
I understand you really dislike coffee sifters, but there's something you never mentioned in the video. Does it actually improve the clarity of the drink? from my experience it does significantly.
why didnt I come across your video before buying it🤦♂️ Ive been having a hard really getting a good use for it. Thanks for the video. Cheers
Maybe because YT is determined to keep this channel a secret :) Sorry you got taken; it happens :)
whats even worse is the clear espresso glass cups from Kruve, they have a wide mid section, so when putting 2 cups side by side under the spouts of a portafilter, coffee will miss the cups.......bad design and they*re not pretty.....
That's not even true. There are several review videos of that glass set showing the coffee landing well inside them, using a standard commercial double spout. Unless you meant the Kruve EQ set, which are meant for filter coffee and not espresso.
For me the kruve is great especially for optimizing your grinder setting. It will help you waste less. Personally I use all the grinds in the sifter. There is no waste in coffee but optimization.
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I got it at launch. It's bollix. Got rid after a weeks fiddly use
You really sifted this product 😓nice satire! Much appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
I don't care if you call it a "scam." I'm still ordering it.
(Also, I subscribed to your channel. Keep the good stuff coming.)
By all means, enjoy it :)
Very entertaining and informative video.
Leaving this for the algorith :)
Much obliged mate :)
180 ? For that price you can get full set of cezve and have some money left for a few cups...
oh shit, i think i can hear the "we will sue you" threat email being written.
Guess I'll have to get my "bring it, b****es" email started then :)
what happened with that smooth jazz background music? it is really missing...
I like that track, but several viewers complained. I really can't decide, lol
It looks like the wood your lid was made from warped after production. Mine is flat.
Totally agree … pretty hard to use even for amateur roasters like me … no way can do green bean batches beyond 1 kg, this thing keeps falling apart
Yeah, a real solution to problems that don't exist :)
haha like your video, fun to watch, but this is a useful product to calibrate grinders.
Nice video and to the point as usual ….
Thanks 👍
Your videos are so good 😊 love how you think from a regular coffee consumer
Thanks very much. In all my vids, I try to remember that real people have budgets :)
I had a bean that shocked me upon first brew. It was awful. I thought something must be wrong. The roaster was renown for high quality. It turned out the paper on these beans were super distinct so i seived it away and the flavor was decent. Finally I used a super fine seive I had to remove the fines. The cup was incredible.
I think in some ways you're missing the point of this product. While it's disappointing to see build quality and design issues in this product, nobody else seems to be making a product that removes both fines and oversized grounds. Refining to this degree produces a clarity in the cup that will impact your understanding of coffee forever.
Honestly after your thoughts on this product I'd be pretty suspect about your ability to review grinders.
you forgot, your coffee will dry out / lose flavor by all those small particles being exposed to air.
Just watched this video again, thank you,
And I felt embarrassed too
I would rather see a video on HOW to use it if you have one ALREADY =)
I like your videos, not a fan of the opening though... is that Trump's voice?
I don't see why you have to use so much irrelevant stock footage filler.