The Front Lever is IMPOSSIBLE to Achieve??!! (Geek Climber Response)
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2022
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Recently, a popular UA-camr made a video discussing how the front level is impossible to achieve and I wanted to make a response video because I believe that his video sends a negative message to the younger athletes that may watch his content.
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No way bro!, I saw this video when Geek Climber uploaded it and also was going to make a response video. I fully agree with you about the message he's saying, and that its impossible because of the angle he'd have to use. Plenty of things we thought were impossible such as gymnastics moves, scientific discoveries etc have been proven to be possible. The message isn't a great one he's sending out and I do believe it's possible for him. I am very curious if an athlete already exists with the same arm angle doing FL that he just hasn't seen on youtube.. sounds far from impossible to me.
He just not patient enough. Your body always change every time you progress, so even when his arm shorter of course he can still achieve it because your body always find a way to adapt.
Yep, exactly, thanks for watching my man! I would definitely love to see your take on this 👍
go do that math your self man and youl see also watch his new video he goes in it in depth
@@H.haru_u not anyone is able to just “do the maths” lmao
@@luisz2k yeah it's quite hard for some people
A victorian cross is a front lever with the smallest possible angle: 0. A front lever is nowhere near that difficult. Ditch the blackpill and make physics bend to your will, not the other way around.
Even p bars victorian, s bar victorian and front touch have a really low angle
It's actually not the smallest possible angle. There are negative angles aka reverse planche
@George Petrou True, reverse planche is even more insane, but doesn't it target completely different muscles? If we're talking about increasing load on the same musculature by adjusting angles, then the Victorian cross is the pinnacle, and it has been done
@@GodisgudAQW does it, though? I imagine reverse planche targets the lats a lot. More than victorian. I can't imagine it using different muscles
@@georgepetrou501 my impression is it's more focused on triceps and rear delts
You're so good at math and physics 🙂 it doesn't matter though, you got the right message to people. Geek climber is correct in his math calculations but wrong about giving up and I believe he realised that and he's not going to give up.
I appreciate that you were both critical and respectful in this video. That really does make all the difference when it comes to response videos.
He’s also trying to fully retract and slowly raise into the front lever which is really hard I think he could get close to a full front lever just by doing a better entry and not retracting so much
Great video man! I liked how you encourage others to believe in themselves. I never had tought about math equations or reasons on why the front lever could be more challenging. It's better to see what he could improve instead and just go for it :)
Thanks a lot bro! And yea, exactly, the more you think about it, the harder you will make it and the more you will get in your own head. It’s best to just train hard at the end of the day 🤙
Yeah the angle with longer arms may be smaller but think about how longer arms will take greater force to pull down because of the leverage.
You right young friend🤝
Haven't watched your response but I remember watching his video and he mentioned he didn't want to take the time to get the hypertrophy required to increase his strength gains enough for the lever requirement. But I did enjoy his video and I'm looking forward to watching your response!
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Barkage of the In-N-Out village! Yeah I agree that although the science may say you cannot do it, try to prove it wrong and try your best to make it happen. 💪
Yeee hahahahha, thanks coast 🙏🙏
Hey man, what do you think of training calisthenics for advanced skills(planche, FL pull ups, etc.) concurrently with climbing? A sample training week would be like 3-4 times calisthenics days with 2-3 climbing days in between the calisthenics days. Love your content!
I totally agree, had the same feelings as you when watching his video.
As always 💪💪
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nah did you heard geeks last point in his vid he said he will not try even tho he can get it if he train harder yet he will not coz he is now middle age
@@H.haru_u still giving a bad role model, for beginners, by giving excuses. But I see the point of him being older which makes everything harder
@@climbingac4135 but we aint beginners we know it yes i agree with that
Thanks boss 🙏🙏
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I think in sondre bergs planche videos, he talks about the angle as well. Iirc for front lever and planche longer arms are preferrable. In the end its skill dependent, whats arm length is better
What you could do (if you have the time) is take someone who has the same or similar body proportions to geek climber and train them to be able to perform a front lever. Saying the front lever is not that hard depends, to a large extent, on ones proportions. I have similar proportions to geek climber and have struggled with this move for years and that's not without a lack of training 'hard enough'. I have also trained with people with more favourable proportions who got there a hell of a lot faster than I have.
I actually learn Manna 🥳💪🏽🙌🏾. I love your content barkage and appreciate a lot. Greetings from a 45 years old Calister from Germany ✌🏾👊🏾
Great video
everything is possible, it doesn't matter the height, weight, muscle mass ..., it matters the mindset
That man not patient enough and to much attention on details that can still change, not actually change but from body composition.
Maybe he think after achieve OAP he had enough strength to do front lever, but the reality hit him hard. That kind of mind set can't get him to static skill, specially planche.
3:40 Thank you for saying this. More people need to understand that, so long as you progressively overload and are consistent, damn near most combinations of exercises will get you where you want to be. Duration until that goal may vary, but you'll most likely still arrive.
Exactly man! Thanks for watching 🙏😁
his calculation is not wrong, but to determine the difficulty of the front lever he is missing many aspects, such as muscle attachments, muscle fiber types, neurological efficiency...
The dude just didn't build enough general and specific strength
Naruto talking to Sasuke from the past trying to tell him to reconsider his decisions.
I like your response about his video a lot! I think arm length doesn't matter and if anything he'd just build a bigger back and shoulder strength balance out the fact that he has shorter arms.
I think he just hasn't committed to the skill 100% since he was balancing multiple skills.
His argument is completely debunked when we look at skills like Maltese because your body must touch the bar regardless of arm length. Therefore he just needs the strength which he was clearly lacking for Full Front Lever.
Nice video bro. Bro can you please make an indept tutorial for planche. Really wanted that.
Sure thing, I have a planche tutorial, but I will update ot
Gotta side with GC in this one. It’s been awhile since I watched that video of his, but I’m pretty sure he said that it’s impossible at his current body composition. I think I remember him saying something about not wanting to put on more mass because his priority is rock climbing and more mass on his upper body would work against him. His math is correct, as angle and arm length have VERY much to do with the difficulty of front lever. Love your channel and not trying to troll, but you might want to understand the math before criticizing. Math doesn’t lie, no matter what your ‘feelings’ may be about it.
Poor excuse from him.
Firstly all the best male climbers have a lot more upper body mass than him. He’s exceptionally skinny.
Secondly he sucks at climbing anyway 😂
Maybe he would benefit with some more mass/upper strength
And does front lever in terms of bio mechanics besides shoulder extension involve wrist extension flexion? In terms of the balance point body angle?. I ask because i wonder whether or not i done my front lever progressions wrong in these past 2-3 years
Like geek climber you may not be training it properly. It shouldn’t take 3 years to get this unless you started off with no training beforehand or you are not doing it right/training improperly.
having longer arms is not a long term solution, because later there will be skill that would be alot easier with short arms. If he want a possible temporary solution (having longer arms sounds impossible to me) then he might want to apply scapular protraction which will make the body futher from the bar. But it is not his actual problem. Progression is made so that it is possible to go from one to another to unlock a new angle and body position, which means even though he has short arms but still he archived the half lays progression anyway, then it is absolutely possible to unlock the full progression. He's just not patient enough that's why he started making excuses
I measured my angle to be 43° (not perfect form) after watching the video and then I measured it for a bunch of pros and they were all around 50° some even 55°-60°. So sadly I think it probably is significant, plus I'm 185cm so basically any sort of levers and planches are always gonna suck ass for me. At least oap should be a little bit easier
geeks last words in that video was that he will not train for it coz thenhe have to build big upper body and he is not willing to take the risk of it as a middle age man with middle age issues
@@H.haru_u kind of bs that he will build too much though. I'm a climber and I know how much weight affects you, but he's unlikely to put a lot of muscle on very easily and even then there an uncountable number of climbers with much more muscular upper bodies that he can only dream of matching. The injury avoidance can be a fair reason but calisthenics (not extreme stuff like malteses and even planche tbh) will mostly be pretty healthy for your muscles and tendons and rather decrease his risk of injury. I think front lever is safe enough for him to train, it's not very dangerous
@@H.haru_u I can definitely understand where he's coming from though and it is really annoying when people tell you to aim for the unachievable because for 99% of people it will be a waste of time. It's much better to set achievable and realistic goals. He's obviously pretty demotivated by his lack of progress and giving up is an easier way of coping than simply persisting in what is a fairly difficult journey (he's an average guy and these skills are hard to achieve)
@@Asdfghjkl-ls1or so you mean an average guy can oapu
@@H.haru_u what I really mean is that an average guy isn't 160cm with a godly upper body and atrophied legs able to hold a 10 second victorian cross and do zanettis for reps. The average person who is interested in calisthenics and trains both hard and cleverly can probably achieve skills like oap. I can't really speak for the average person on the street who has no prior interest in strength training.
So this you are saying in your video topic here is about limb length and leaning angle behind in terms of shoulder extension. Different limb lengths different body types
This is a really good response and it gaves a good messages to never give up even if something seems impossible.
But I think You missed some details in My humble opinion.
-Longer Arms Make "Frontlever Pullups" clearly harder because You require a bigger Range of motion. But just the Frontlever doesnt require a mandatory minimum Range of motion, because is an exercise that You have to stay static.
-Also, the reason he says that having a no muscular back is a problem for him, is because he said later on the video that he doesnt want to get Big muscles. He wants to get strong functional muscles, but not Big ones, because Even if Big good looking muscles look great, they are heavier than normal looking ones, Even if they are as strong, and because he does calisthenics and climbing, actually having a average looking body (not average in strenght, average in looks) is an advantage because his corporal weight is lower, so he requires less strenght to carry.
So basically, I don't think that if he doesnt work to have an hypertrophied back, I don't find impossible that is actually impossible for him to do the frontlever, at least with his current body.
But also I think that he could use a backpack, to generate some weight on the Back, the thing he lacks.
And finally please don't take This personally. I just wanted to give constructive critisism.
Great video, keep up This great stuff :D
Cool, but I really think he needs a good back. If you see the top climbers, most of them have very great physiques (especially the back)
Yeah, all the athletes he used in the examples are 5’10 plus. That’s basically considered a heavy weight for us
Funny that they worked for the front lever and he who is smaller and lighter won’t, and says it’s his genetics
Longer arms means less end range motion, which is harder, otherwise Maltese would be busy as hard as planche, victorian as easy as front lever
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Yeah geek climbers vid makes sense, but it's not really impossible to do frontlever even for shitty leverages I think, it's just a lot more of a pain. If he really wants impossible, maybe we can look at the maltese, reverse planche or Victorian cross, but even then I think it's more of close to impossible than actually impossible. I personally think that even if he doesn't put on mass, he can absolutely get much closer to frontlever, like I've been fluctuating at 48-52 kg for almost 2 years, but 2 years ago I can't do a full planche, now I can do a shitty attempt at full despite being the same weight or the same weight range. So it definitely comes off as a bit of an excuse
Not a new name lmao, just a joke cause everyone says it wrong
@@barkage Yeah that's why I was laughing. Tbh I knew how to read your name before you started your intro on the first vid I watched cus anime
Well I have very long arms and legs and i am around 180 cm (close to 6 ft) and i am able to do few fl pull ups and like 5 sec full planche.. If i can do it i think everyone can :)
I noticed his arms are quite bent so maybe he should regress if he were to train it again
frontlever is the basic to get victorian,fl pull up, touch fl etc...
Yeah not gonna lie I have a short ape index and was under the impression that everything is gonna be so much harder but it’s all cap
The angle of the arms is a part of FL, but what about *long femurs/calves (legs)* compared to the torso and arms!?
I have extremely long legs compared to my upperbody.
It doesnt matter
I have also long legs and can hold it easily
Long legs does matter. It's added torque which makes the movement harder. You need to apply more counter force to balance your body compared to someone with shorter legs.
@@frazebean5117
Yes! May I ask if you have long legs as well and if so, can you do a FL?
12:42 - I'm 186cm tall, 80kg and 36 years old. Can hold front lever though
wingspan? arm length so to say?
Every skill is achievable if u are hungry enough to get it
ay he is middle aged and he even said he is not going to change his diet to get the mass in upper back he said did not meant he cant get it he meant he will stop trying too coz of his age i have chatted with him on ig alot of time and he was training for fl for about 1 + year now and he still cant do it
bro really skipped the part where he explained how angle changes the force generation.
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Bark-age because he's an absolute DAWG!!
Sometimes it's best not to overanalyze things lol Might get a nocebo effect from it man... I was thinking the same damn thing haha Like just add more mass to your chest, shoulders, upper back, and NECK! Drop the Physics and adopt Physiques bro!
Exactly hahaha, he could be spending his time training instead of making excuses. Thanks for watching boss 🙏😁
Bruh its just a stoopid reason that lazy people use to say yeah for me its impossible or much harder to get Front lever
He was saying longer arms is easier for just holding the front lever, not front lever pu, SAT, etc. But apart from that i agree with everything you said.
I just can't stand Geek Climber. For mainly one reason, he constantly talks trash about other youtubers. Telling people how bad every youtube tutorial on one arm pull ups, planche ect. He also insults them in a few of his videos. These other youtubers are trying their best to help others. Stop hating on them
I'd say: Street workout or die trying
I think the muscle mass doesnt matter . There is insane athletes that dont have muslce mass like flolit for example
he considers one arm pull up as ,,elite skill'' so nothing to be surprised Elite skills are at least C on the gymnasts' scale Fl would be upper A or barely B
Geek climber is discouraging no one to learn the front lever. He just clearly shows that you need to add upper body muscles which is not benficial for every sport escecially rock climbing and well his channel name is geek climber. Being real to people an showing them what they need to change to achieve something is the opposite of a negative message. To his focus as an athlete this change is just not desireable. Showing this to young athletes is not bad. They knew after the video what they would need to achieve the front lever and could train specificly for it which is way better than "just train harder".
The problem with this video is that you never tried to look at this problem form his point of view which lets you come of as ignorant especially in the way you dismiss the physics situation he shows math.
"Adding upper body muscles" being bad for rock climbing is not true. There are videos of competitive climbers including world class Adam Ondra performing front levers. FL itself is certainly not specific/necessary for climbing, but the muscle hypertrophy is hardly "not beneficial".
I was totally saying "barkidge" ahahahah. Sorry mate.
All good hahahha
Ayo I thought your name was bark-age, but anyways...
Good info ✔️
Glow up ✔️
Thanks purple-SAMA
Watch his recent video, and try to understand the maths. I know some people struggle with maths, but don't just get upset and lash out when you don't understand, try to understand it as best you can.
His math doesn’t matter, his body isn’t super abnormal. As the Barkage said, FL is not a super hard move, it’s difficult but the vast majority of people are able to get it if they put in the effort, even without getting a huge back.
woah you work at in n out burgur?
No
I don't agree with Geekclimber cuz false grip "makes" arms shorter but also fl easier.
Yes, I actually meant to say this, but forgot and was too lazy to film again xD
I think he forgot to factor in the shoulder strength necessary with longer arms for front levers
I watched his video and his math is impressive, but simply doing the math doesn't really tell the full story because there is a lot more going on biomechanically that he would need to consider. Angle is important don't get me wrong, but so are factors like tendon strength, neurological muscle recruitment, and force output with straight arms.
Geek climber just gave me a headache dont give up on a move unlezz its harmfull for your body/health
Agree with the Nocebo of new athletes. There is too much of that already with height, weight, training legs, now leverages/biomechanics.
Just give people a guide on how to train for a skill instead of destroying their mindset about it before they even begin.
Strength has a defiition. The ability to chane the shape of your body. The problem with Geek climbers video is that he doesn't understand this. The problem with this video above is that you do not uderstand maths. There is a reason UA-cam only supports people with gaping holes in their knowledge, you migt want to think about what that reason is. The rest of you life should suffice.
after I watched naruto I realized it's bar-ka-ge and not bar-kage
Ah hahahaha xD
i started with 0.5 pull up 7 months ago now am on straddel front lever and i stareted the planch so do not stop traning
geek climber syndrome not having enough muscle mass for skills.
Gie Climber
Got the thumbs up for responding to this ridiculous geek climber video. I like a lot of his videos but his excuse is ridiculous.
We don't even know your name😳
xD
Fl is easy
Omg man youre a fucking beast, one of my inspirations 🙌
And yes, it is easy, got it just through pull ups 😪
For me BarKage will always be right. No for real now, it is really stupid to say that people with short arms will have taffer time to achiev FL, when we have a lot athletes that are killing in FL
What you said is so off. People with short arms do have it tougher but nowhere near impossible
What you said is so off. People with short arms do have it tougher but nowhere near impossible
@@Francesco_Di_Pereira no it is not, because they have lower leverage
I agree that he kind of sent a bad messege, cause I think that fl is acheiveble for everyone, but you had no valid argument against him
100% agree with you! he is full of bs and putting up excuses, i think u should have all his subscribers instead of him having that much of subscribers
Yea dude he's so naive and basically lazy to even train for it. So stupid
@@waylandwang9257 exactly, and there a lot of guys with way heavier and long legs than him who can front lever
@@tstreino well for one he's not trying to gain any mass to achieve it. Basically just be like a Saitama type of character or an ant if you prefer that
FL pull ups will not be easier with short arms. It s like pressing from a victorian. It will be very very hard to initiate the move. You're very very wrong, go learn some 5th grade physics lol
It is
Isometric and presses are easier with longer arms, et push ups, pull ups and rings stuff is easier with short arms