My lgs has a guy who thinks 30 is perfectly acceptable, and loves giving unwanted deckbuilding advice. People will be playing their deck and he'll go into a long winded explanation on how the deck should be built. It's all bad advice but no one says anything lollll
I literally just had a friend reach out to me for the first time in a while, my time is limited since I have a 3 month old now, to ask me for help with a deck today. We chatted for like an hour, and he thanked me for always helping him to upgrade his decks. Good times 👍
If you're making a mardu astral slide deck, don't forget astral slide. Easy to overlook when you're grabbing all your blink synergies, but you gotta have it. Non-negotiable, even.
It can often be difficult for someone else to work out what power level you’re aiming for. Like, sure, that card/combo is more _powerful_ but that then risks making the deck archenemy when it can’t back that up, at least not without changing the whole identity of the deck, which someone is unlikely to want to do if they haven’t said they do.
My Mardu Astral Slide suggestion is Scampering Surveyor. It's basically a second Solemn Simulacrum, so synergistically ramp. However, Scampering Surveyor also searches for caves. The one cave that I'm running in my Astral Slide deck is Urza's Cave which searches all your other utility lands, a feat that Solemn Simulacrum cannot achieve
I’m the brewer of my playgroup, and it can get a little exhausting being the “can you help me with my deck” guy. I love building and brewing. I love teaching others how to make their deck work for them. But when my friend come with a brand new deck with no direction, not knowing what they want to do with it, I don’t give advice. I want them to have their own thesis before I can give advice. I need context.
Yeah. I've got a couple of questions I'll ask, and if they can't answer those I can't help them. Stuff like: What do you want this deck to do? Is it control, midrange, combo or aggro? What powerlevel are we looking for? cEDH or Precon level? Why did you choose this particular commander over X/Y/Z similar commanders?
saw some deck tech video not too long ago and one comment unironically was "rhystic study would be really good in this deck". idk why, but i just wanted to share this.
That is not a useful thing for them to say lol… between budget, power level of your group, and just not wanting to use staples, you’re just not necessarily seeing a card like Rhystic in every single deck.
@Pimpulus Battle of Wits, if it was legal in the format. Some sort of the commander that wants it's controller Hellbent and benefits from it. Probably in Grixis it it exists.
I give advice when someone asks for it by giving them suggestions to add, never to remove. If it's not specifically asked for I ask if they run such and such in their deck.
As agonizing as that can be, it’s good advice. Some people will never cut bad cards, no matter how much anyone else insists they’re bad. If they ask what to cut, you can make suggestions, but you’re pretty likely to get pushback anyway.
With regards to your mardu slide deck, Containment construct and conspiracy theorist seem good to include if you want to cast your cycled cards. Unpredictable Cyclone also seems like a fun auto include
Mardu Astral Slide suggestions: Cut to Ribbons is a great way to close out a game from an empty board. Weirder suggestion: If Cursed Mirror is a creature like Rummaging Goblin, it can be activated during an end step and exiled by Astral Slide until the next end step. Also this gives me a cool idea for an Abdel Adrian deck.
Mardu slide ideas: Shadowgrange Archfiend - efficient removal that is good fuel for discard effects. Likely to hit a few high-value creatures at once. Easy to flicker for insane value. Chivalric Alliance - if you need card draw or bodies that can defend & attack in the same turn cycle. Cryptbreaker - less efficient than chivalric alliance, but the card draw is less dependent on attacking. Chainer, Nightmare Adept - a way to discard cards, including on your opponents’ turns. Gives you a way to cast already-cycled creatures from the grave. Phyrexian Reclamation - recursion in case you need a previously discarded creature back in your hand. Seasoned Pyromancer - self wheel that generates creature tokens. Only useful if you need creature tokens. Leave // Chance - returns multiple permanents to your hand in case of a boardwipe or individual permanents (like Astral Slide) to dodge spot removal, while also giving you the Chance half to wheel later. If in a given game you think that you won’t need the Leave half, you can discard it to another effect and still have the Chance half to cast from the grave. Lethal Scheme - removal that lets you also discard cards. Has convoke so your creatures can help to cast it for cheaper. I build in mardu a lot and love etb playstyles and graveyards. If you’re looking for particular effects or categories of cards, let me know I can probably give more focused recommendations.
Research and apply quadrant theory when cutting cards. Alternatively, consider cutting cards that have a similar effect but cost more and adding cards that cost the same but have a more significant impact on the game. This assumes that you already have a good card balance in the deck, but if that's the case, then your deck will only get stronger for doing so.
Building on this, put extra emphasis on the development quadrant and the playing from behind quadrant. You are likely to have ways to grind value and a couple ways to jam a win without trying too hard. But knowing how you want to set up the early turns, and what you’d wish to draw when behind, help a lot.
I already like this episode, every once in a long time I encounter a player who gets salty abt losing but the card board they decide to play would make me think they don't want to win
For Trinket Mage's Mardu Cycling brew: Pinnacle Monk seems like a shoo-in. Fits in a land slot, and can be used for value loops. That's one of the few things that I think aren't obvious includes that I can think of right now. Better at suggesting meat, rather than bones.
The hard part of commander deck building is pretty much never finding cards that work amazingly in the deck. It’s making the cuts to the deck after putting everything that works into the deck.
Inti, Seneschal of the Sun works great as a way to filter (or make temporary card advantage with cycling things) as well as being a small creature that can grow other things and give something trample.
question zone. you all seem to have more or less set roles in the podcast at this point. elk keeps the discussion on the rails. trinket is the devils advocate. and snail usually riffs off what other people say and shifts the topic. was this ever discussed or has this just been the way your relationships work best together?
Awesome episode that really helped me better recognize how both giving and receiving unsolicited deckbuilding advice can feel when given or received. Keep up the good work! For Trinkets Mardu Astral Slide deck how about Tectonic Reformation? I've never built an Astral Slide deck so I could be overestimating this card, but in my Ripley Vance deck it's been a great way to filter lands out of my hand late game when I really need to keep hitting cantrips and not lands with my draws. The most optimal card for the deck is definitely Phage the Untouchable so that you can go out on your own terms when the game feels hopeless after you've spent 7 mana on a Phage the Untouchable.
For the Madru Cycling deck: I got a buddy whos working on a list like that with Extus to basically mimic the pauper cycling deck. Adding etb creatures with recursion or other fun effects could be an interesting angle. I myself am working on a slide cycle deck. Mine's in esper, but the theme could carry over nicely. Epic spells. Cycling is a game action you can take that epic doesn't stop. I plan on using astral slide and drift to control the board while my epic spell of choice does its thing. Enduring ideal is a fun choice because it can find slide and drift while also finding pillow forts effects and wincons.
For cycling decks with red you could try using a Unpredictable Cyclon and make it completely predictable. I have a jeskai Cycling deck with Ghost of Ramirez dePietro & Bruse Tarl, one sorcery with cycling and Beacon of Tommorow for infinite turns
Respect to Trinketmage for not shying away from the high-powered casual perspective and actually giving really solid advice, just run tutors. They let you do the thing and as long as that thing isn't a legit cEDH combo (not "eveything that beats my deck is cEDH" bs) then it just means that you get to participate more often. That's a good thing, including and especially at casual tables. It should be encouraged, not vilified.
Great episode guys! I've certainly been one to offer the wrong kind of advice in the past, and will a hundred percent do so again. Because, here are some unsolicited suggestions for Snail, as well as some asked for suggestion for Khan. For both Khan and Snail: - "Shadow of the Grave" for some massive card advantage and anti-discard tech. - "Bitter Ordeal" can be absolutely backbreaking, either as a silver bullet sniper, a flat out win-condition, or somewhere inbetween! - "Abandoned Sacophagus" could be an interesting recursion engine top plop down once you have the engine going. You'd want to be careful with this one however, as the downside can be pretty brutal. Somewhat pricier cards both can run: - "Bone Miser" is waste not, but for your own stuff that might allow you to go off just that tiny bit harder. - "Crucible of Worlds" lets you play those sweet sweet lands you cycled away earlier! (This also scales really well into higher budget decks that run fetches, shocks and duals!) - "Enlightened Tutor" can serve as another copy of the slide-effects, or a way to find another utility enchantment or artifact. - "Vampiric Tutor" same as Enlightened, but even more flexible. For Khan: - "Archfiend of Ifnir" is a persistent boardwipe on a reasonably sized beater. - "Tectonic reformation" a way to turn excess lands into value. - "Change of Fortune" for a really synergistic hand refueling spell. - "The Raven Man" triggers on ANY discard, making you a 1/1 flier, while also having in-built insurance. As for the commander of the deck, I think either of these would serve you the best: - "Queen Marchesa" to have a light payoff in the command zone - "Ghen, Arcanum Weaver" to have recursion for your theme. If you go with "Ghen, Arcanum Weaver": - "Land Tax" to grab more basic lands than you'll ever need, or trade it for a slide if you no longer need it! - "Scroll rack" to synergize with "land tax", effectively drawing you 3 extra card, per turn! For Snail: - "Pilgrim's Eye" to possibly replace "Burnished Hart". While it doesn't actively ramp, it will ensure you at least get to play lands reliably while playing better into the slide portion of the deck. - "Skittering Surveyor" a second copy of "Pilgrim's Eye". Ish... Remember, while these are cards I'd recommend considering or even trying, they aren't necessarily what either deck needs. Hopefully this has been of at least some help. Happy brewing!
I have a Kroxa and Kunoros Astral Slide list. One of my favorite microsynergies is Tectonic Reformation and Dakmor Salvage. It enables a consistent way to get cards in the graveyard so that you can reanimate your big cyclers with K&K consistently.
For Trinket Mage Deck Suggestion: It’s kind of (extremely) jank, but Enduring Renewal is interesting. I had it in my Karador deck before I took it apart, and it works… fine… if you’re wanting to put things in the grave. Darkblast is also good with cycling at instant speed to fill the grave. Also, Pit Keeper is just a good flicker target if you’re running a bit of a flicker package with cycling to return the cycled card (if it’s a creature). Also, obligatory Blood Miser.
I've certainly used Tortured existence + Street Wraith + Dredge creature as a self-mill engine before. Mostly because the above cards are all good in the deck, and sometimes it just comes together. I'm not about to put bad cards in my decks for mediocre synergies.
Haven’t watched/listened to the video yet but my form of advice giving lately has just been screaming at my friends “PLAY MORE LANDS! YOU ONLY 33 LANDS IN YOUR 3 COLOR DECK!”
21:37 for the same reason I had selfless squire in my ghired deck, if I can make a copy at instant speed of her, i have multiple fogs plus the original gets the counters
This is a cool topic to talk about. Good video. Deck advice is indeed a tricky topic from what I've seen and experienced first hand. Everyone has an opinion and usually that opinion is rooted in personal preferences. Aside from generic advice meant for helping a new player to the game, I don't think anyone can just look at a deck in 2 minutes and come up with meaningful advice for changes. A friend wanted to see my Indominus Rex Alpha deck list. He immediately suggests that I run Baleful Strix. I told him I didn't want to run that card because it doesn't do enough to justify a 2-mana slot. I'd rather be ramping on turn 2. And for mid and late game, Rex herself offers far more card draw than this. He counters back saying that on curve, Strix is still worth it regardless. Is he right? Is he wrong? Are we both right AND wrong?
so funny that you guys made this post, I was actually going through the comments on snail's archidekt recently and someone posted an idea for a valakut combo in radha. Snail went the extra mile and replied and said, nah trying to keep it budget. Which inspired me to build a $50 valakut combo deck with susan foreman.
Ahh! At 15:20 ish, Trinket brought up a Henzie deck have color issues. Ive got a Henzie deck myself, and I do understand this pain. I have a constant fight between good fixing lands and the fact that I have a lot of cards that need basic lands for ramp. I currently run 16 basics, and i can honestly say that sometimes that isnt enough. But if i run any more then i start having trouble casting creatures that have triple color pips!
I'm curious, what Jund pip creatures are you trying to cast each turn? I've not had the pip/color issue with Henzie yet, but most of my cards are single colored.
@@wickederebusUsually its stuff like Gruff Triplets one turn with triple green then Drakuseth the next turn with triple red. I aim to blitz as much of hand as possible every turn, and casting four, five creatures is tough. I don't have any three color creatures, though, if that was your question. Almost all mono colored - it's just that there about 15 in each color
@hedgehogwriting55 ah, I think I'm seeing your problem, it's the 3 of the same pip in the mana value. I'm curious what your lands/mana rocks/dorks selection looks like. Most of, if not my entire deck is max 2 of the same pip on a card, and most of it is single pip of the color. I'm also mostly running 4 and 5 drops and only drop 2 to 3 creatures a turn.
Question Zone: How do you select a commander to lead a deck, and how do you prevent yourself from getting selection paralysis when you have so many you want to build?
Unironically this would be the perfect format to talk about cardboard. "You should try x in your deck!!" versus "I really like x, and if I built this deck I'd do.."
Question zone: As a certified esper player who dislikes playing staples. What is a great way to try green? I tried a landfall theme, however it feels like half the deck is all the staples that allow you to make more land drops and do lands things.
This discussion really touched on something I've been noticing and thinking about a lot which is just that EDH players are VERY synergy-focused, which is fine and understandable but I think often goes so far as to be detrimental to their actual deckbuilding and gameplay. I think a lot of players would benefit from fewer, more focused or efficient synergy pieces and simply playing more lands or veggies or cards that address weaknesses. Not a total revelation, but an interesting thing about what casual edh metagames look like. I think you guys bring a lot of fun outside the box insights into deckbuilding. Oh and trans rights 💯🤘
As far as recommendations for the Mardu Astral Slide deck, I think Zirda, the Dawnwaker could be worth considering. It's effectively a sidegrade to Fluctuator, since it reduces the cost of all activated abilities that don't produce mana by 2 colorless, but only to a minimum of 1 mana. You could even have Zirda be a companion if you use Astral Drift and drop Astral Slide.
Question Zone: I really like the card Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield and would like to build around it as a sort of "secret commander". Do you guys have any comanders or strategies you think would make this card more than just a vague value piece?
Mardu Slide deck idea: The War Doctor - 2RW, 3/5. He gets counters whenever anything is exiled (or phased out) and does damage equal to counters to any target when he attacks. He's mostly a finisher and, honestly, he's more cute than he is good. He leads a cycling deck list I made, paired with Vislor Turlough, who is a sleeper agent style creature and the only black card with Doctor's Companion. Mostly cycling creatures, some gravedigger and repeatable raise dead effects, and hoping to top off with a Living Death. Again, more nifty than powerful.
Personally I love all deck suggestions, when I build my decks I have a really close friend I generally show it to during or after and I love getting all the suggestions because in the early stages it helps establish a identity and when I show a already finished deck I either get cards I haven’t thought about or cards I had considered but what I do is I think/ask about why they suggest it which I use to evaluate the cards either currently or about it add to the deck and my deck is almost always better even when the only recommendations I get are cards I had already thought of.
Yeah that's totally valid and makes a ton of sense! I feel in part here that the thing I run into is purely because I'm definitely an outlier in terms of how many people see my decks. Getting inundated with suggestions definitely has a different vibe haha
@@33elk I can totally get especially if you addressed why a certain effect isn’t helpful in the deck especially when the recommendations are edh staples, side note good luck with the move I’m excited for the deck review streams to come back in 2-4 weeks
lol I just got my Christmas present deck for my friend and it was the most dangerous gamer lol also I’m looking at it and I feel outside of dice manipulation you don’t want to lean into the dice rolling part
Just a small comment for the editor. I was listening to this podcast in my car and elk's audio was a decent bit louder than the other two's so i had to keep adjusting my volume. Other than that, great episode.
Question Zone: If you’re building a deck from the 99, and picking a commander later, how do you pick that commander? Depending on your archetype, how much synergy can you reasonably expect to have? I’m currently building some decks this way despite not being used to it, trying to grow as a player and brewer. Thanks!
I found that every time i Join a commander play group and people ask me for advice i just say "more lands, more interaction and lower your curve so you can do things"
When talking about pings across multiple opponents, 10 pings I look at more as 30 damage to the table instead of 10 damage to players. 30 damage for 3 mana sounds playable even if it's on the higher end of the spectrum of Pharika activations. I think it is interesting how two players can look at the same scenario with different perspectives.
@@33elk definitely optimistic no counter there. Having had a look at your list I agree 100% you're doing more impactful things on 3 mana than a creature that does nothing the turn it comes down that can perhaps deal 30 damage lol
28:40 not sure if your doing creatures but inti staples a impulse draw (until *your next end step) and the on attack discard, grow a creature, give it trample is nice too
My method is to be upfront and descriptive. I'll say things like "this isn't necessary for your deck, but I noticed you are doing such and such which could work well with such and such" or I'll say "i noticed your deck lost a little gas. Is that a normal problem, or is this a one off?" And then I'll make some suggestions if they're up for it.
Question Zone: I am trying to get my friends to build their own decks instead of using mine. (I built about 12 decks this year to get them started playing). Now they are more established, how do I get them to build their own decks?
Get them to try out building a tribal deck, or based around a certain mechanic (blink, impulse draw, self wheels just to name some), try an odd color combo (especially when it comes to building a heavily supported archetype), maybe build around a certain block (mirrodin block artifacts?)
I probably should use Tyvar in my Sisay list, Golgari is more useful than the Gruul alternative, but the ability can't be johnnied the same way since you can't use Emiel to flicker Tyvar like you can Samut (this comes up probably 1/1000 games though so why do I worry??). I used to find it hard to change decks up, but one of the biggest helpers with this problem was realizing first and foremost if you're JUST upgrading your deck you don't want to play much with your ratios anymore, so you just take out the worst version of the effect and move on with life. Or, you keep the bad cards in because they're more fun. I've gotten to the point now where now if I struggle to fit a card in I just set it in the 'stuff I'm thinking about adding' pile and forget about it for a bit, because it probably isn't as good a fit as I first thought for a variety of reasons. Some stuff seems really good when you haven't tested it, but testing can reveal flaws you failed to recognize.
Question zone, I'm in the middle of building a deck that tries to emulate the ideals of you three as deck builders and figures of the community, are there any suggestions you have for the kinds of cards to include in the deck. If it matters it's a Niko, Light of Hope deck from duskmorne that has a reanimator package, through archaeomancer effects and breath of life effects
Question Zone: I'm coming back to Magic after a long hiatus and have always had a problem with "brewer's perfectionism" (start building a deck but end up scrapping it partway through because I feel the original identity I envisioned has been lost). Is there perhaps a deck building strategy or technique to alleviate that worry?
Question Zone: I enjoy being a bit of a EDH hipster, I try to avoid any legendaries in the Top 100 and I like to do archetypes outside of what may be expected in the color combination. So for someone looking to make a Gruul burn deck what suggestions would you have? My first thought was Borborygmus Enraged but his incredibly high mana value feels like he may be better suited in the 99 as an additional win con. There’s also The Howling Abomination but it feels like it wants to go in a Voltron or Storm direction.
Knowing your power level is easy, it's figuring out whether everyone else has the same idea as you when it comes to said power. I've been playing for +10years, so what I consider medium-power is a lot of new players' high-power. If you are a new player and built your own deck, then it's power level is the same as your ability. If you have net-decked an experienced players build, then you probably have a powerful deck and may need to let the table know, so everyone is on the same page. Every content creator has their own opinions and views, which may not sync up with the other people you are playing with.
QUESTION ZONE: how do you evaluate the power level of a deck? I got into mtg over the summer and I find it very difficult to evaluate the power level of decks I make (or that other people make/play). I play at some high power tables and proxy everything so budget is not a super relevant factor. Even when I make expensive decks, I usually get blown out of the water.
You ignore that as a relevant descriptor of your deck. Keep brewing, keep playing, and see what your friends who are doing well are doing. If you think your current decks have potential to become the runaway train in the game make small changes at first, though after a while you will want to start again from the ground up. Make sure you have enough lands in your deck; more if you search for them or less if your mana curve is low. Play about as many creatures as you play lands. Like Trinket Mage would recommend, play more removal. It can take some time to get a good grasp on card synergies or even understanding card advantage, so don't press yourself too hard for losing or being blown out, especially in Commander. The format itself is about doing overpowered things that are easier to do in a multiplayer game. Just keep playing and watching others you play with. Don't take any advice (even mine) as gospel. If you keep playing with the intention to do better you will invariably become a better player and deck builder.
A content creator I watch for various card games has a condition for your recommendation to be acknowledged if you recommend a card/change you gotta explain why you think its better what it does and/or what weaknesses of the deck this helps mitigate. This means recommendations have to be somewhat articulate and have something they do. It keeps blocking nothing recommendations like hey play good card
Question Zone: Is there a point I should stop powering up my deck? I’ve got a control/value Bumbleflower deck I’ve been working on with lot of draw built in because I like everyone seeing more of their deck but I also want to win. My pod plays cEDH a lot and told me I was putting too many cEDH level stax pieces and tutors (2) in for a casual deck, but I don’t think so since I’m giving every player an opportunity to draw into their interactions. Have I truly gone too far with this bunny?
Ashnod's Cylix is a card that should be looked at for basically all slime against humanity decks and I never see it and it's not on EDHrec and I had to leave this here lol. I can agree with most of what they have said here I just also wanted to put my little rant about cylix
I think the most common advice ive received is people recommending generic staple cards. Like man, i know smothering tithe exists. Thats why I'm not running it
People always try to give suggestions for my ur dragon saying I should run the cost reduction for dragons and while I appreciate it I wish I could get it through their head that I only want dragons in the deck
Archfiend of Ifnir is a great payoff card for a Mardu cycling/discard theme. Shuts down most token decks instantly, still hurts most other decks, and is a reasonable body for the cost.
>Be Elk >Plays Golgari colours >"My problem is removal" Oh boy, you're gonna have an early Christmas this year, pick any random Golgari sorcery and its gonna be non-land perm removal
This episode is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the average EDH player. Most players, sure there's always that guy (stop looking at me!), are not offering advice to "flex," especially in regard to synergy pieces. They just see a possible interaction that looks fun to them and want to share the joy it brings them with others including and especially if they like a content creator. The appropriate response is, "Thank you. I'll look into it."
I feel like you missed the point of this one, the "wanting to flex" part was really a small part of this topic. We got into how to give better advice later on in the episode. Sharing an interaction doesn't need to be formatted in the frame of advice either, you can just drop a comment about it without being like "here's an upgrade!" No problem if you do that of course, but its a lot more straightforward. I'm not slapping on a "Thank you!" mask every time someone gives me poor advice. Feels incredibly fake to do so. Not the kinda culture im trying to cultivate. Sometimes I'll respond to inquiries about additions to my deck with counter points about why I don't have them, and ignore duplicate suggestions.
@33elk nah dude, I got your point, and as usual, you missed mine. I was addressing the underlying assumption you and Snail make about WHY people are giving you the kind of advice you do not appreciate. The rest of your response goes back to a recurring theme in our online interactions. You're just rude. I have numerous parasocial relationships with a variety of creators where I comment, they reply, etc. Few are ever as toxic as my interactions with you always turn out to be. You are always defensive, twist my words to argue against strawmen every time, and never ask questions (ironically something you recommend others do in this video) to reach a consensus. There's a reason that I really enjoy Trinketmage's content and have your channel blocked from popping up on my feed. Please stop harassing me when I comment on his video that you are unfortunately a part of.
@33elk there are lots of creators that I think miss the mark from time to time. Nobody is perfect, after all. But I really dislike you on a personal level. Not only are your takes bad, but you argue in bad faith to defend them rather than critically engaging with differing views. You also make sure to get a passive-aggressive personal attack in every response. Why do you have to be like that? There are plenty of ways to engage in healthy dialog even among your detractors, but you choose to repeat this same pattern over and over again. Look, I know that the internet is a big place and there's always going to be a certain number of people that you just can not get along with for whatever reason. I have accepted that we are that person for one another. As I said before, I blocked your channel a long time ago for that very reason. I would very much appreciate it if you didn't subject me to your vitriol in a space / community that I otherwise very much enjoy being a part of. Is there any way that you can silence my comments on your end so that we never have this conversation again?
Quick note: I think you need to work on your sound mixing. I have a hard time understanding what Trinket Mage is saying, but when I turn up the volume, Elk is almost painfully loud
Do people really get offended when they receive unsolicited deck advice? Don’t like what someone says? Don’t listen to it? It’s obviously a different thing if someone is being a jerk about it, but if it’s a genuine suggestion or thought, then i don’t see the problem with it.
i like this podcast cause everyone is represented by cute jpegs
Remember kids, never take deck advice from someone who runs 30 or less lands
Don’t look to closely at my cEDH decks
@@thetrinketmage lol At least cEDH is a little different because you're playing lower on the curve and have free spells, but still
What about decks with 30 or less spells?
My lgs has a guy who thinks 30 is perfectly acceptable, and loves giving unwanted deckbuilding advice. People will be playing their deck and he'll go into a long winded explanation on how the deck should be built. It's all bad advice but no one says anything lollll
@@KeganKirby start the chaos...
I literally just had a friend reach out to me for the first time in a while, my time is limited since I have a 3 month old now, to ask me for help with a deck today. We chatted for like an hour, and he thanked me for always helping him to upgrade his decks. Good times 👍
Always love how snail's png moves slowly throughout the course of the podcast
If you're making a mardu astral slide deck, don't forget astral slide. Easy to overlook when you're grabbing all your blink synergies, but you gotta have it.
Non-negotiable, even.
I love 3/3 elk’s current png. 11/8
3 out of 3 for sure
It invokes cuteness aggression
It can often be difficult for someone else to work out what power level you’re aiming for. Like, sure, that card/combo is more _powerful_ but that then risks making the deck archenemy when it can’t back that up, at least not without changing the whole identity of the deck, which someone is unlikely to want to do if they haven’t said they do.
My Mardu Astral Slide suggestion is Scampering Surveyor. It's basically a second Solemn Simulacrum, so synergistically ramp. However, Scampering Surveyor also searches for caves. The one cave that I'm running in my Astral Slide deck is Urza's Cave which searches all your other utility lands, a feat that Solemn Simulacrum cannot achieve
Do you have a list? I was fiddling with Malik Astral Slide last week and I’m curious what your mardu cycling deck looks like
I’m the brewer of my playgroup, and it can get a little exhausting being the “can you help me with my deck” guy. I love building and brewing. I love teaching others how to make their deck work for them.
But when my friend come with a brand new deck with no direction, not knowing what they want to do with it, I don’t give advice. I want them to have their own thesis before I can give advice. I need context.
Yeah. I've got a couple of questions I'll ask, and if they can't answer those I can't help them.
Stuff like:
What do you want this deck to do? Is it control, midrange, combo or aggro?
What powerlevel are we looking for? cEDH or Precon level?
Why did you choose this particular commander over X/Y/Z similar commanders?
saw some deck tech video not too long ago and one comment unironically was "rhystic study would be really good in this deck". idk why, but i just wanted to share this.
That is not a useful thing for them to say lol… between budget, power level of your group, and just not wanting to use staples, you’re just not necessarily seeing a card like Rhystic in every single deck.
@@itslexactually agree 100%. and im thinking: quick, name a deck that can play rhystic where its not good in!
@Pimpulus
Battle of Wits, if it was legal in the format.
Some sort of the commander that wants it's controller Hellbent and benefits from it. Probably in Grixis it it exists.
@@Pimpulus Non-blue decks 😂
I give advice when someone asks for it by giving them suggestions to add, never to remove. If it's not specifically asked for I ask if they run such and such in their deck.
As agonizing as that can be, it’s good advice. Some people will never cut bad cards, no matter how much anyone else insists they’re bad. If they ask what to cut, you can make suggestions, but you’re pretty likely to get pushback anyway.
With regards to your mardu slide deck, Containment construct and conspiracy theorist seem good to include if you want to cast your cycled cards. Unpredictable Cyclone also seems like a fun auto include
Mardu Astral Slide suggestions: Cut to Ribbons is a great way to close out a game from an empty board.
Weirder suggestion: If Cursed Mirror is a creature like Rummaging Goblin, it can be activated during an end step and exiled by Astral Slide until the next end step.
Also this gives me a cool idea for an Abdel Adrian deck.
Mardu slide ideas:
Shadowgrange Archfiend - efficient removal that is good fuel for discard effects. Likely to hit a few high-value creatures at once. Easy to flicker for insane value.
Chivalric Alliance - if you need card draw or bodies that can defend & attack in the same turn cycle.
Cryptbreaker - less efficient than chivalric alliance, but the card draw is less dependent on attacking.
Chainer, Nightmare Adept - a way to discard cards, including on your opponents’ turns. Gives you a way to cast already-cycled creatures from the grave.
Phyrexian Reclamation - recursion in case you need a previously discarded creature back in your hand.
Seasoned Pyromancer - self wheel that generates creature tokens. Only useful if you need creature tokens.
Leave // Chance - returns multiple permanents to your hand in case of a boardwipe or individual permanents (like Astral Slide) to dodge spot removal, while also giving you the Chance half to wheel later. If in a given game you think that you won’t need the Leave half, you can discard it to another effect and still have the Chance half to cast from the grave.
Lethal Scheme - removal that lets you also discard cards. Has convoke so your creatures can help to cast it for cheaper.
I build in mardu a lot and love etb playstyles and graveyards. If you’re looking for particular effects or categories of cards, let me know I can probably give more focused recommendations.
Research and apply quadrant theory when cutting cards.
Alternatively, consider cutting cards that have a similar effect but cost more and adding cards that cost the same but have a more significant impact on the game.
This assumes that you already have a good card balance in the deck, but if that's the case, then your deck will only get stronger for doing so.
Building on this, put extra emphasis on the development quadrant and the playing from behind quadrant. You are likely to have ways to grind value and a couple ways to jam a win without trying too hard. But knowing how you want to set up the early turns, and what you’d wish to draw when behind, help a lot.
What i mean:"You should reevaluate your decks main goals to make sure you have a good game every time you sit down to play!"
What i say:"Kil-"
I already like this episode, every once in a long time I encounter a player who gets salty abt losing but the card board they decide to play would make me think they don't want to win
Card for your Mardu Slide deck: Sundial of the Infinite. This allows you to exile your opponents creatures and keep them there.
Thank you for saying Trans Rights
TRANS RIGHTS!
33:30 Isn't it completely normal to lose 4 games in a row in a 4 player game, where only one can win?
It would be slightly below average right? You should win 1 in 4 games on average.
@@thetrinketmage Sure, but it's not statistically notable to lose 4 in a row if the expected WR is 1 in 4
If you're there to play, winning is part of the game, not the reason you play it.
This is 31% likely to happen for any 4 consecutive games you play assuming 25% winrate, so yeah pretty likely
Yay polynomial math 🥰
For Trinket Mage's Mardu Cycling brew:
Pinnacle Monk seems like a shoo-in. Fits in a land slot, and can be used for value loops.
That's one of the few things that I think aren't obvious includes that I can think of right now. Better at suggesting meat, rather than bones.
The hard part of commander deck building is pretty much never finding cards that work amazingly in the deck. It’s making the cuts to the deck after putting everything that works into the deck.
Inti, Seneschal of the Sun works great as a way to filter (or make temporary card advantage with cycling things) as well as being a small creature that can grow other things and give something trample.
I need next podcasts to be an in depth discussion on the best Carls Jr menu items to eat while playing commander.
question zone. you all seem to have more or less set roles in the podcast at this point. elk keeps the discussion on the rails. trinket is the devils advocate. and snail usually riffs off what other people say and shifts the topic. was this ever discussed or has this just been the way your relationships work best together?
Question Zone - Have you considered colossal dreadmaw for your Mina and Denn list?
Speaking of unsolicited advice, the grist planeswalkers are creatures in the yard that are decent removal
Grist is spicy and I luv her 🥰 bugs are cool
Awesome episode that really helped me better recognize how both giving and receiving unsolicited deckbuilding advice can feel when given or received. Keep up the good work!
For Trinkets Mardu Astral Slide deck how about Tectonic Reformation? I've never built an Astral Slide deck so I could be overestimating this card, but in my Ripley Vance deck it's been a great way to filter lands out of my hand late game when I really need to keep hitting cantrips and not lands with my draws.
The most optimal card for the deck is definitely Phage the Untouchable so that you can go out on your own terms when the game feels hopeless after you've spent 7 mana on a Phage the Untouchable.
Elk’s png today makes me feel like he’s some evil mastermind maliciously plotting my demise.
While giggling. Key facet, that.
Angry Mob FROM DA DAAARK
For the Madru Cycling deck: I got a buddy whos working on a list like that with Extus to basically mimic the pauper cycling deck. Adding etb creatures with recursion or other fun effects could be an interesting angle.
I myself am working on a slide cycle deck. Mine's in esper, but the theme could carry over nicely. Epic spells.
Cycling is a game action you can take that epic doesn't stop. I plan on using astral slide and drift to control the board while my epic spell of choice does its thing. Enduring ideal is a fun choice because it can find slide and drift while also finding pillow forts effects and wincons.
19:42 More snack talk and reviews in the episodes PLEASE. Need more content that caters to all of my interests at once lol
For cycling decks with red you could try using a Unpredictable Cyclon and make it completely predictable. I have a jeskai Cycling deck with Ghost of Ramirez dePietro & Bruse Tarl, one sorcery with cycling and Beacon of Tommorow for infinite turns
Respect to Trinketmage for not shying away from the high-powered casual perspective and actually giving really solid advice, just run tutors.
They let you do the thing and as long as that thing isn't a legit cEDH combo (not "eveything that beats my deck is cEDH" bs) then it just means that you get to participate more often. That's a good thing, including and especially at casual tables.
It should be encouraged, not vilified.
Great episode guys! I've certainly been one to offer the wrong kind of advice in the past, and will a hundred percent do so again. Because, here are some unsolicited suggestions for Snail, as well as some asked for suggestion for Khan.
For both Khan and Snail:
- "Shadow of the Grave" for some massive card advantage and anti-discard tech.
- "Bitter Ordeal" can be absolutely backbreaking, either as a silver bullet sniper, a flat out win-condition, or somewhere inbetween!
- "Abandoned Sacophagus" could be an interesting recursion engine top plop down once you have the engine going. You'd want to be careful with this one however, as the downside can be pretty brutal.
Somewhat pricier cards both can run:
- "Bone Miser" is waste not, but for your own stuff that might allow you to go off just that tiny bit harder.
- "Crucible of Worlds" lets you play those sweet sweet lands you cycled away earlier! (This also scales really well into higher budget decks that run fetches, shocks and duals!)
- "Enlightened Tutor" can serve as another copy of the slide-effects, or a way to find another utility enchantment or artifact.
- "Vampiric Tutor" same as Enlightened, but even more flexible.
For Khan:
- "Archfiend of Ifnir" is a persistent boardwipe on a reasonably sized beater.
- "Tectonic reformation" a way to turn excess lands into value.
- "Change of Fortune" for a really synergistic hand refueling spell.
- "The Raven Man" triggers on ANY discard, making you a 1/1 flier, while also having in-built insurance.
As for the commander of the deck, I think either of these would serve you the best:
- "Queen Marchesa" to have a light payoff in the command zone
- "Ghen, Arcanum Weaver" to have recursion for your theme.
If you go with "Ghen, Arcanum Weaver":
- "Land Tax" to grab more basic lands than you'll ever need, or trade it for a slide if you no longer need it!
- "Scroll rack" to synergize with "land tax", effectively drawing you 3 extra card, per turn!
For Snail:
- "Pilgrim's Eye" to possibly replace "Burnished Hart". While it doesn't actively ramp, it will ensure you at least get to play lands reliably while playing better into the slide portion of the deck.
- "Skittering Surveyor" a second copy of "Pilgrim's Eye". Ish...
Remember, while these are cards I'd recommend considering or even trying, they aren't necessarily what either deck needs. Hopefully this has been of at least some help. Happy brewing!
I have a Kroxa and Kunoros Astral Slide list. One of my favorite microsynergies is Tectonic Reformation and Dakmor Salvage. It enables a consistent way to get cards in the graveyard so that you can reanimate your big cyclers with K&K consistently.
Anothet great outro
For Trinket Mage Deck Suggestion: It’s kind of (extremely) jank, but Enduring Renewal is interesting. I had it in my Karador deck before I took it apart, and it works… fine… if you’re wanting to put things in the grave. Darkblast is also good with cycling at instant speed to fill the grave. Also, Pit Keeper is just a good flicker target if you’re running a bit of a flicker package with cycling to return the cycled card (if it’s a creature). Also, obligatory Blood Miser.
I've certainly used Tortured existence + Street Wraith + Dredge creature as a self-mill engine before.
Mostly because the above cards are all good in the deck, and sometimes it just comes together. I'm not about to put bad cards in my decks for mediocre synergies.
Haven’t watched/listened to the video yet but my form of advice giving lately has just been screaming at my friends “PLAY MORE LANDS! YOU ONLY 33 LANDS IN YOUR 3 COLOR DECK!”
For your cycling deck: change of fortune into shadow of the grave with fluctuator in play, payed for with mana from bone miser
You can’t fool me, Trinket Mage, I know you’re building Extus as your Mardu cycling commander and using him to recur the creature cards you cycled
Elk staring in a different direction freaks me out.
21:37 for the same reason I had selfless squire in my ghired deck, if I can make a copy at instant speed of her, i have multiple fogs plus the original gets the counters
This is a cool topic to talk about. Good video.
Deck advice is indeed a tricky topic from what I've seen and experienced first hand. Everyone has an opinion and usually that opinion is rooted in personal preferences. Aside from generic advice meant for helping a new player to the game, I don't think anyone can just look at a deck in 2 minutes and come up with meaningful advice for changes.
A friend wanted to see my Indominus Rex Alpha deck list. He immediately suggests that I run Baleful Strix. I told him I didn't want to run that card because it doesn't do enough to justify a 2-mana slot. I'd rather be ramping on turn 2. And for mid and late game, Rex herself offers far more card draw than this.
He counters back saying that on curve, Strix is still worth it regardless.
Is he right? Is he wrong? Are we both right AND wrong?
so funny that you guys made this post, I was actually going through the comments on snail's archidekt recently and someone posted an idea for a valakut combo in radha.
Snail went the extra mile and replied and said, nah trying to keep it budget.
Which inspired me to build a $50 valakut combo deck with susan foreman.
Ahh! At 15:20 ish, Trinket brought up a Henzie deck have color issues.
Ive got a Henzie deck myself, and I do understand this pain. I have a constant fight between good fixing lands and the fact that I have a lot of cards that need basic lands for ramp.
I currently run 16 basics, and i can honestly say that sometimes that isnt enough. But if i run any more then i start having trouble casting creatures that have triple color pips!
Henzie rules dude… I love not paying enough mana for things
I'm curious, what Jund pip creatures are you trying to cast each turn?
I've not had the pip/color issue with Henzie yet, but most of my cards are single colored.
@@wickederebusUsually its stuff like Gruff Triplets one turn with triple green then Drakuseth the next turn with triple red. I aim to blitz as much of hand as possible every turn, and casting four, five creatures is tough.
I don't have any three color creatures, though, if that was your question. Almost all mono colored - it's just that there about 15 in each color
@hedgehogwriting55 ah, I think I'm seeing your problem, it's the 3 of the same pip in the mana value.
I'm curious what your lands/mana rocks/dorks selection looks like.
Most of, if not my entire deck is max 2 of the same pip on a card, and most of it is single pip of the color.
I'm also mostly running 4 and 5 drops and only drop 2 to 3 creatures a turn.
@@wickederebus Yeah I run no rocks, two dorks. I'm all in on creatures, land ramp (and creatures to that land ramp)
Question Zone:
How do you select a commander to lead a deck, and how do you prevent yourself from getting selection paralysis when you have so many you want to build?
Something I learned in therapy is to offer advice in "I" statements. I love X card in X commander." Makes me feel less preachy lol.
Unironically this would be the perfect format to talk about cardboard. "You should try x in your deck!!" versus "I really like x, and if I built this deck I'd do.."
Question zone: As a certified esper player who dislikes playing staples. What is a great way to try green? I tried a landfall theme, however it feels like half the deck is all the staples that allow you to make more land drops and do lands things.
Pako deck. It adds great variation as it encourages you to play your opponents cards. Power level can scale with your opponents
I found animating lands with Jolrael, Voice of Zhalfir to be fun and on brand but different enough from regular simic stuff
Mono Green control.
green is great at using untap effects, so I'd try for that sort of strategy
Definitely stay away from landfall in that case. Try Goreclaw .
This discussion really touched on something I've been noticing and thinking about a lot which is just that EDH players are VERY synergy-focused, which is fine and understandable but I think often goes so far as to be detrimental to their actual deckbuilding and gameplay. I think a lot of players would benefit from fewer, more focused or efficient synergy pieces and simply playing more lands or veggies or cards that address weaknesses. Not a total revelation, but an interesting thing about what casual edh metagames look like. I think you guys bring a lot of fun outside the box insights into deckbuilding. Oh and trans rights 💯🤘
I run tutors and I still found Mage's advice unhelpful.
like the deck doesn't function or something else?
As far as recommendations for the Mardu Astral Slide deck, I think Zirda, the Dawnwaker could be worth considering. It's effectively a sidegrade to Fluctuator, since it reduces the cost of all activated abilities that don't produce mana by 2 colorless, but only to a minimum of 1 mana. You could even have Zirda be a companion if you use Astral Drift and drop Astral Slide.
Escape Protocol is the reason I run prismatic bridge as my cycling commander. I need to fast flicker E. Wit to get the card I cycled back
My best bet is some line to get lands back from the bin and running Tectonic reformation, like add in a sun titan.
A grown ass man got mad at me for saying "I know how to play my own deck, thank you". And I think that's wild
Question Zone: I really like the card Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield and would like to build around it as a sort of "secret commander". Do you guys have any comanders or strategies you think would make this card more than just a vague value piece?
EDHDeckbuilding had a color matters Selesnya deck that he showed off on his channel.
Not sure if the Rafiq guy was inspired, but shout outs anyway
Mardu Slide deck idea:
The War Doctor - 2RW, 3/5. He gets counters whenever anything is exiled (or phased out) and does damage equal to counters to any target when he attacks. He's mostly a finisher and, honestly, he's more cute than he is good.
He leads a cycling deck list I made, paired with Vislor Turlough, who is a sleeper agent style creature and the only black card with Doctor's Companion. Mostly cycling creatures, some gravedigger and repeatable raise dead effects, and hoping to top off with a Living Death. Again, more nifty than powerful.
Personally I love all deck suggestions, when I build my decks I have a really close friend I generally show it to during or after and I love getting all the suggestions because in the early stages it helps establish a identity and when I show a already finished deck I either get cards I haven’t thought about or cards I had considered but what I do is I think/ask about why they suggest it which I use to evaluate the cards either currently or about it add to the deck and my deck is almost always better even when the only recommendations I get are cards I had already thought of.
Yeah that's totally valid and makes a ton of sense! I feel in part here that the thing I run into is purely because I'm definitely an outlier in terms of how many people see my decks. Getting inundated with suggestions definitely has a different vibe haha
@@33elk I can totally get especially if you addressed why a certain effect isn’t helpful in the deck especially when the recommendations are edh staples, side note good luck with the move I’m excited for the deck review streams to come back in 2-4 weeks
@ :D yess hypee
I know you don't want unsolicited advice, but I see you went to Carl's Jr.- have you considered a Wendy's synergy for the show?
I used to work at Wendy's actually!
lol I just got my Christmas present deck for my friend and it was the most dangerous gamer lol also I’m looking at it and I feel outside of dice manipulation you don’t want to lean into the dice rolling part
Just a small comment for the editor. I was listening to this podcast in my car and elk's audio was a decent bit louder than the other two's so i had to keep adjusting my volume. Other than that, great episode.
Question Zone: If you’re building a deck from the 99, and picking a commander later, how do you pick that commander? Depending on your archetype, how much synergy can you reasonably expect to have?
I’m currently building some decks this way despite not being used to it, trying to grow as a player and brewer. Thanks!
I found that every time i Join a commander play group and people ask me for advice i just say "more lands, more interaction and lower your curve so you can do things"
When talking about pings across multiple opponents, 10 pings I look at more as 30 damage to the table instead of 10 damage to players. 30 damage for 3 mana sounds playable even if it's on the higher end of the spectrum of Pharika activations. I think it is interesting how two players can look at the same scenario with different perspectives.
3 mana for 10 damage per opponent when it is played on 3 and not swept up in a board wipe. little optimistic i think
@@33elk definitely optimistic no counter there. Having had a look at your list I agree 100% you're doing more impactful things on 3 mana than a creature that does nothing the turn it comes down that can perhaps deal 30 damage lol
Question Zone: What's the better land Sorrow's Path or Seafarer's Quay?
didn't even do an outro. holy based
28:40 not sure if your doing creatures but inti staples a impulse draw (until *your next end step) and the on attack discard, grow a creature, give it trample is nice too
oh i guess that's not great because it strands cycling cards in exile
Question Zone: What are y'all's favorite foods for the holidays?
I think for your mardu deck maybe try Neheb Dreadhorde Champion for the discard and extra mana generation
My method is to be upfront and descriptive.
I'll say things like "this isn't necessary for your deck, but I noticed you are doing such and such which could work well with such and such"
or I'll say "i noticed your deck lost a little gas. Is that a normal problem, or is this a one off?" And then I'll make some suggestions if they're up for it.
Question Zone: I am trying to get my friends to build their own decks instead of using mine. (I built about 12 decks this year to get them started playing). Now they are more established, how do I get them to build their own decks?
Get them to try out building a tribal deck, or based around a certain mechanic (blink, impulse draw, self wheels just to name some), try an odd color combo (especially when it comes to building a heavily supported archetype), maybe build around a certain block (mirrodin block artifacts?)
I probably should use Tyvar in my Sisay list, Golgari is more useful than the Gruul alternative, but the ability can't be johnnied the same way since you can't use Emiel to flicker Tyvar like you can Samut (this comes up probably 1/1000 games though so why do I worry??).
I used to find it hard to change decks up, but one of the biggest helpers with this problem was realizing first and foremost if you're JUST upgrading your deck you don't want to play much with your ratios anymore, so you just take out the worst version of the effect and move on with life. Or, you keep the bad cards in because they're more fun. I've gotten to the point now where now if I struggle to fit a card in I just set it in the 'stuff I'm thinking about adding' pile and forget about it for a bit, because it probably isn't as good a fit as I first thought for a variety of reasons. Some stuff seems really good when you haven't tested it, but testing can reveal flaws you failed to recognize.
ELK, WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU???
Still in shock from Maldhound last week
His eyes are bigger than his cards! Ewww.
Question zone, I'm in the middle of building a deck that tries to emulate the ideals of you three as deck builders and figures of the community, are there any suggestions you have for the kinds of cards to include in the deck. If it matters it's a Niko, Light of Hope deck from duskmorne that has a reanimator package, through archaeomancer effects and breath of life effects
Question Zone: I'm coming back to Magic after a long hiatus and have always had a problem with "brewer's perfectionism" (start building a deck but end up scrapping it partway through because I feel the original identity I envisioned has been lost). Is there perhaps a deck building strategy or technique to alleviate that worry?
Question Zone: I enjoy being a bit of a EDH hipster, I try to avoid any legendaries in the Top 100 and I like to do archetypes outside of what may be expected in the color combination. So for someone looking to make a Gruul burn deck what suggestions would you have? My first thought was Borborygmus Enraged but his incredibly high mana value feels like he may be better suited in the 99 as an additional win con. There’s also The Howling Abomination but it feels like it wants to go in a Voltron or Storm direction.
can you maybe make an ep on how to tell the power level of a deck you made? I've still got a hard time telling, though I am fairly new
Don't worry, we'll get brackets soon to sort out the more powerful card.
I do have a question for you, what level of power are you looking to play at?
Knowing your power level is easy, it's figuring out whether everyone else has the same idea as you when it comes to said power.
I've been playing for +10years, so what I consider medium-power is a lot of new players' high-power.
If you are a new player and built your own deck, then it's power level is the same as your ability.
If you have net-decked an experienced players build, then you probably have a powerful deck and may need to let the table know, so everyone is on the same page. Every content creator has their own opinions and views, which may not sync up with the other people you are playing with.
QUESTION ZONE: how do you evaluate the power level of a deck? I got into mtg over the summer and I find it very difficult to evaluate the power level of decks I make (or that other people make/play). I play at some high power tables and proxy everything so budget is not a super relevant factor. Even when I make expensive decks, I usually get blown out of the water.
You ignore that as a relevant descriptor of your deck. Keep brewing, keep playing, and see what your friends who are doing well are doing. If you think your current decks have potential to become the runaway train in the game make small changes at first, though after a while you will want to start again from the ground up.
Make sure you have enough lands in your deck; more if you search for them or less if your mana curve is low. Play about as many creatures as you play lands. Like Trinket Mage would recommend, play more removal. It can take some time to get a good grasp on card synergies or even understanding card advantage, so don't press yourself too hard for losing or being blown out, especially in Commander. The format itself is about doing overpowered things that are easier to do in a multiplayer game.
Just keep playing and watching others you play with. Don't take any advice (even mine) as gospel. If you keep playing with the intention to do better you will invariably become a better player and deck builder.
The best advice on deck building I can give is, watch The Trinket Mage.
Have you tried Sol Ring? It’s a 1 CMC colorless mana rock that taps for 2 colorless mana, insane value…
A content creator I watch for various card games has a condition for your recommendation to be acknowledged if you recommend a card/change you gotta explain why you think its better what it does and/or what weaknesses of the deck this helps mitigate.
This means recommendations have to be somewhat articulate and have something they do. It keeps blocking nothing recommendations like hey play good card
Question Zone: Is there a point I should stop powering up my deck? I’ve got a control/value Bumbleflower deck I’ve been working on with lot of draw built in because I like everyone seeing more of their deck but I also want to win. My pod plays cEDH a lot and told me I was putting too many cEDH level stax pieces and tutors (2) in for a casual deck, but I don’t think so since I’m giving every player an opportunity to draw into their interactions. Have I truly gone too far with this bunny?
Ashnod's Cylix is a card that should be looked at for basically all slime against humanity decks and I never see it and it's not on EDHrec and I had to leave this here lol.
I can agree with most of what they have said here I just also wanted to put my little rant about cylix
El Diablo is ok. Double western bacon burger is still the goat.
That’s what some rando at the shop said too! Hmmm…
@@thetrinketmage I went there the other day for the first time in maybe a decade, and they had a really good limited time guacamole burger.
Turn 3? If you aren't playing Phyrexian Arena on turn 1 after a Dark Ritual then you are doing it wrong.
I think the most common advice ive received is people recommending generic staple cards. Like man, i know smothering tithe exists. Thats why I'm not running it
April fools episode idea: an hour long conversation about the el diablo burger / food in general
Great talk as always
Question zone:
Why are the eyes like that?
What?
@thetrinketmage lmao the elks eyes are looking like black and white cookies from the deli 😄
Question zone: Have you ever gotten advice to build an entirely new deck to replace an old one with? If so, did you follow or not follow the advice?
People always try to give suggestions for my ur dragon saying I should run the cost reduction for dragons and while I appreciate it I wish I could get it through their head that I only want dragons in the deck
Archfiend of Ifnir is a great payoff card for a Mardu cycling/discard theme. Shuts down most token decks instantly, still hurts most other decks, and is a reasonable body for the cost.
Question zone: How should I (respectfully) decline/deflect someone's (unsolicited) advice?
Question Zone: have all the thumbnails and titles been changed or is it just 13? Am I missing out on the memes?
I changed the title a few hours after the upload but the thumbnail is the same
>Be Elk
>Plays Golgari colours
>"My problem is removal"
Oh boy, you're gonna have an early Christmas this year, pick any random Golgari sorcery and its gonna be non-land perm removal
did you listen to the part where he says its extremely difficult to fit a noncreature card into the deck?
Well im brewing a deck that i never won with isnt strong but is magnet for removal and cant bounce back
What's your commander and what's the game plan?
This episode is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the average EDH player. Most players, sure there's always that guy (stop looking at me!), are not offering advice to "flex," especially in regard to synergy pieces. They just see a possible interaction that looks fun to them and want to share the joy it brings them with others including and especially if they like a content creator. The appropriate response is, "Thank you. I'll look into it."
I feel like you missed the point of this one, the "wanting to flex" part was really a small part of this topic. We got into how to give better advice later on in the episode. Sharing an interaction doesn't need to be formatted in the frame of advice either, you can just drop a comment about it without being like "here's an upgrade!" No problem if you do that of course, but its a lot more straightforward.
I'm not slapping on a "Thank you!" mask every time someone gives me poor advice. Feels incredibly fake to do so. Not the kinda culture im trying to cultivate. Sometimes I'll respond to inquiries about additions to my deck with counter points about why I don't have them, and ignore duplicate suggestions.
@33elk nah dude, I got your point, and as usual, you missed mine. I was addressing the underlying assumption you and Snail make about WHY people are giving you the kind of advice you do not appreciate.
The rest of your response goes back to a recurring theme in our online interactions.
You're just rude.
I have numerous parasocial relationships with a variety of creators where I comment, they reply, etc. Few are ever as toxic as my interactions with you always turn out to be. You are always defensive, twist my words to argue against strawmen every time, and never ask questions (ironically something you recommend others do in this video) to reach a consensus.
There's a reason that I really enjoy Trinketmage's content and have your channel blocked from popping up on my feed. Please stop harassing me when I comment on his video that you are unfortunately a part of.
@33elk there are lots of creators that I think miss the mark from time to time. Nobody is perfect, after all. But I really dislike you on a personal level.
Not only are your takes bad, but you argue in bad faith to defend them rather than critically engaging with differing views. You also make sure to get a passive-aggressive personal attack in every response. Why do you have to be like that? There are plenty of ways to engage in healthy dialog even among your detractors, but you choose to repeat this same pattern over and over again.
Look, I know that the internet is a big place and there's always going to be a certain number of people that you just can not get along with for whatever reason. I have accepted that we are that person for one another. As I said before, I blocked your channel a long time ago for that very reason. I would very much appreciate it if you didn't subject me to your vitriol in a space / community that I otherwise very much enjoy being a part of. Is there any way that you can silence my comments on your end so that we never have this conversation again?
Quick note: I think you need to work on your sound mixing. I have a hard time understanding what Trinket Mage is saying, but when I turn up the volume, Elk is almost painfully loud
I might have made him a notch too loud. I’ve mostly heard complaints the other way around so I might have overcorrected
Do people really get offended when they receive unsolicited deck advice? Don’t like what someone says? Don’t listen to it? It’s obviously a different thing if someone is being a jerk about it, but if it’s a genuine suggestion or thought, then i don’t see the problem with it.
offended is a strong word to extrapolate from this episode.
@ fair.
thanks magic mirror for making this trans girl feel like a human being! It makes such a difference hearing trans rights in totally unrelated things.