Except for Jimmy...... When he shipped Frank off in the first season he basically ended the show.... All of their problems start and end with Frank and Jimmy was the only character that took the initiative to fix it plot is the only reason Frank made it back home.
@@LeondreWilsono0o Take initiative? He literally kidnapped their father and sent him to a foreign country after knowing Fiona for 1 episode. He is not the good guy in this scenario.
@@slightlymiffedbear1416 Very true that'd creep like of him but what he did literally ended the show and all of the problems that would become some of the biggest plot points...
It's sad when you remember in season one how she was yelling at Monica "You were my mother too" and here she is yelling at Frank "She didn't love me, she didn't love you" the shows come full circle
It was the truth, they did nothing for her or her siblings, and in return she gave them her competence for being shitty parents! Some people said she was being cruel for hitting her mothers corpse at the funeral home, but not thinking for how many times her mother was cruel to her.
Yeah,she couldn’t even be a kid bc she had to grow up early and take care of her younger siblings. And if it weren’t for her,they all wouldn’t have made it through.
it absolutely breaks me. I know Frank is a bad guy, but the way he looks/dresses reminds me of my dad who was never around. There's just some familial connection that hurts me when Frank gets hurt. Whether it's when he's getting made fun of, or when he cries. Even the scene where Sammi creates the fake Alibi in Sheila's and Frank starts weeping. So did I.
I stopped feeling bad for frank when he went to fionas wedding and outed her fiancée he didn’t do it to help her he just did it to hurt her because he was hurt. Although his acting is phenomenal.
@@lexlarae8466 ba good on him for exposing Sean he wasn't good for fiona, he left her hanging after that blew up found a new girl and was gonna get married to her and was still using Frank might've been the bearer of bad news and did it in a spiteful way but Sean was the real reason Fiona was that hurt
Frank and Fiona’s dynamic fascinates me so much. He clearly loves her and his other kids, but can’t resolve his personal demons to be the father they need. She resigned herself long ago to the idea that he’d never be there for them the way that he should have been, but there’s some small part of her that still wants that. Heavy stuff.
Love is a strong word coming from Frank. I think the only person he ever loved was Monica. His kids? He certainly had care for them deep down somewhere in him, and he expressed it very minimally at times, but love? Definitely not. Frank was just Monica, but instead of leaving his responsibilities behind, he stayed so he could leech off of his children.
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Idk. I always think about him taking the fall for Carl, or when he got food for "Fiona" in the hospital, and his completely broken and weak yet so full of pain "nooo" when he thought she died. I cry every time I see that scene, it's just acted so perfectly. I'm sure he loved them, at least Carl and Fiona. Fiona from her being the oldest and the history there (even the bad), and Carl since he never experienced the true hurt from before and they had a bond (remember him shaving his dad's hair for the sun rays and all their shenanigans?). I think the love was just shown horribly, as he is a terribly dysfunctional person, so he's of course going to be incompetent as a father. He could have done better, yes. And he was a user/opportunist and selfish, but he was human at heart and loved them, as far as that got them. He knew he was going to be sick in jail (something not many addicts who have been going as long as he (50 years straight?), is able to do) and yet chose sickness and withdrawal over letting his kid take the fall. It's not big in many peoples eyes, but it's huge for him, and for addicts in general. Being afraid of the withdrawals is what leads good people to lying, stealing, or scamming. It's just unbearable, both physically, and even worse mentally.
That happens a lot with characters in tv shows who have to grow up too fast and it always breaks my heart, (examples being Dean Winchester, Klaus Mikealson.)
I agree. No more rage or desperation. She’s too exhausted to spend anymore of her emotion on Frank. All that’s left is cold, razor sharp resignation and bitterness. She’s done, and it shows.
You know what hurt? Fiona say that she was here for Debbie's first periods, but if Monica leave when she was nine, then Fiona was alone for hers. She must have been so scared... And she has no one to talk about it...
I bet Fiona thought she was dying when she got her first period. Can't imagine what the character would've done to educate herself on periods ahead of time.
Her voice goes higher when she says “I was nine” almost like a child’s voice. I think that’s cuz inside Fiona there is still that sad stressed out child
It's been said that you stay at the same age you get emotional damaged at and never got help. If that's true, than technically Fiona is still 9 years old while Lip and Ian would still be boys. Emotional pain ain't nothing to sneeze at
I know right. And she took care of everyone and I got so mad when Debbie was pregnant and pushing Fiona to keep her kid. Like she raised six of them from age 9 and she just wants a break. And she was so right for trying to kick her out when Debbie was having the baby
I feel like *"if she loved us so much, why wasn't she here?"* and *"She wasn't here, she was never fucking here!"* Could apply to a lot of people in life.
I get the feeling Frank wished for many days and nights that his mother would leave the same way their's did. I guess in his mind, her leaving was her saving them from herself.
IS more powerful than love. It'd be more powerful than oxygen if you didn't get oxygen free and instantly all the time. Even food and water gets a back seat. You a think a person ranks?
Pleasure, as in something that makes you feel good, is the biggest addiction. We wont care about anything else once you find something you like or love.
Yeah,it's like an extra warm blanket you cant/don't want to get out of when you're wrapped in. And comes the toxicity taking pleasure from the comfort.
I love this scene because you know they're both kind of right. I mean Fiona more so than frank but still. Monica was a shitty mother, she abandoned them, was a junkie and an addict and all around the worst. But she did love them somewhere inside of her.
Braulio Garcia that’s partially it what’s sad is that she did forgive her in Season 2 and started to trust her again. But lip made her feel like shit for it. Cause she was acting like a mom before she did drugs again with frank. And even after she fucked up and broke Fiona’s trust she didn’t throw her out when she was crying in bed. Fiona was done with Monica and Frank when Monica cut her wrists in front of all her kids and there friends and Frank just walked away didn’t even try to save her life. And then of course Monica split again. Cause when Season 3 started Fiona truly had no heart for her either of them anymore
As someone who has experience dealing with a bipolar parent let me save you some time. She didn't. My father didn't love me and Monica didn't love them.
True but kids shouldn't have to become tough as nails because of their parents mistakes, they should be able to enjoy a normal childhood but it happens alot more than people like to think it does..the good thing though, is in the future it can make them same kids very successful adults because they do not want to live the way their parents did and stop the cycle.
This scene is why I view season 7 as the end. Fionas storyline came full circle, culminating in her confrontation with Frank over Monica as well as himself. No scene in seasons 8-11 had this level of pathos, making it feel like the seasons were just going through the motions. This felt like a true finale
@@babe6835 exactly, I know he was going through a lot too but still his kids went through hell back and forth, especially Fiona and look how he repays her 🥺🥺
Good for Fiona. I'm glad she went all out in this scene. Monica deserved it and I'm glad she's gone too. She did nothing but cause more harm by blowing in and out of their lives. My father tried to do the same thing after leaving my sister and I with my mother and became a deadbeat.
Fiona is 100% right. But when frank said “please” with his voice quiet and breaking, that really hurt me and I felt so bad for him. He wanted to believe Monica was so amazing and great just because he loved her so much
Yeah late response but franks life is pretty damn tragic, a tortured genius to the point where he hates himself and just wants to forget and feel some sort of love. sad reality, he’s a selfish, possibly irredeemable person but there’s definitely more in the table of contents to frank than meets the eye.
I understand Fiona and Frank. Monica left both of them, making Frank depressed because he loved her more than anything else in the world no matter what she did. She was bipolar and didn't know how to show love properly. They always got into fights. It was a toxic relationship, but Frank loved her nonetheless. Fiona was just a little girl when she left. With Frank drinking and doing drugs, she was forced to raise herself and her siblings at the same time.
Juanita Mace I'm sure he still loved her, like throughout the series you see many instances of frank unconditionally loving his children even though by real world standards and what society expects is wrong, frank knows what he is and his kids have to deal with it but just because he can't properly care for them doesn't mean he doesn't love them
We still have this, "Honor thy Father and Mother " mentality. I'm religious and I believe that but there is also " Father's, provoke your children not to wrath. " i hate the concept of i must respect you, but you don't have to respect me that people have. That causes resentments and hatred
@@j.ronnygibsonWord to the not so wise: sick people already have the population divided by gender and skin colour, so try to not encourage even conflict within a family. I understand more than anyone that sometimes a relationship with blood relatives cannot be salvaged and it is better to give up on them, but it also should not be encouraged as this leads only to further atomisation...divide and conquer. Most are too far gone to understand this, but humans in the next century will see this as common sense in hindsight IF we survive as a species.
'She didn't love you. She didn't give a shit about anyone but herself.' Damn that is so accurate. So many times he had a free pass to fix himself and he didn't take the time cause like Monica all he cared about was himself. Fiona IS the mother. Fiona TOOK care of that family.
My mum was a stripper and a drug addict. She dropped out of my life and my brothers' lives so many times that I wasn't surprised when she didn't show up for days. I looked after my brothers and my dad who had grown too depressed to do anything. This hits home. Like really slapped me in the childhood because I get how fucked up mums like that can be and how angry I was at her all the time. She treated us like shit and when she left for good, I couldn't have been happier. That sounds like a bad thing but the way she fucked us over was ridiculous. As a result, I was put in care seven times. Other girls didn't like me because I was tough and didn't take shit and violent. So eventually, I had to become the mum in the family and look after my brothers because she chose not to.
Late to the party, but you and your siblings deserved so much better. My heart hurts for you and I hope you have found peace and the beauty in life that you deserve!
Kinda the fucked up part about this show...Frank was a college student before he met monica (also that explains why lip is so fucking smart lmao hes a chip off the old block..even tho he trys to deny it) but once he met monica. The only positive that came from it, was there kids being born. Toxic relationships are always tricky and fucked up to try and understand
This scene lives in my heart. I remember this everyday. I still can't believe Emmy didn't get any award or nomination for portraying Fiona. 1:33 How the moonlight highlights her tears always gives me goosebumps.
This really hit me. I had a similar experience growing up and I totally relate to Fiona. Not having the mother you need is devastating. Even more devastating is the realization of it after years of self- delusion. My heart goes out to anyone who has ever lived through something like this. Much love.
"Not Monica, me!" Those three words broke my heart. You know you've just completely failed when your own CHILDREN can't even call you by a parental title and they use your actual name. That is the LOWEST form of disgrace as a parent that you can have.
Monica wasn't a terrible mom because she was bipolar, you aren't bipolar all the times, she and Frank are drunks and junkis and selfish parents and deserve to be hated by their kids, especially Fiona. I wish everyone would just stop this bullshit "they cared about the kids deep down" because well, caring deep down is NOT loving and protecting and taking care of your kids, and definitely is NOT a parents job. And seriously, you really think that "they could be worse" is an argument? My father was a drunk and left us and the fact that he wasn't an abuser doesn't change the fact that he fucked us up.
Fiona did forgive them more than once so did Lip, Debbie, Ian, and Carl. But people get to a point where you stop caring. Fiona’s breaking point was Season 2 when Monica tried to kill herself in front of everyone, Frank didn’t even try to save her life. Left Fiona, her boyfriend, and friends to save her and clean up the blood and shit. Anyone would be done after that. That was heartbreaking. Debbie and Carl got tired of dealing with there shit as they got older. Ian forgave Monica and had a soft spot for her cause of the bipolar thing.
You totally right, when I see people defending Monica and Frank I can only think that shameless fans are white and privileged people who doesn't understand the show at all. They are junkie and drunks, but that's not the only reason why they are bad parents. They are selfish and narcissist, so they are terrible persons and can't see that because they are locked in their narcissist and screwed heads. These kids have potential but they don't have anything but that, and that's why they're never gonna go far.
"I was nine" broke me into pieces, i remember when i was nine and the only thing i think and care about is what street games i would play and how i would win against my neighbors cause i know im the best on most of them. but Fiona was 9 and has to take care of her drunkard father, and her siblings, what a cruel world they gave her T_T
i hate how like people try and villainize fiona because it's backstory relevance like this that really shows you that fiona never had the cards to play life right frfr bc even when things went well, she was still a traumatized little girl who took care of everyone but herself frfr
This clip is the best acting I’ve seen and it hits home and unfortunately this is very much a reality to a lot of people single parents that completely fall apart and the oldest child takes care of their siblings. Painful scene but powerful acting
OOOOOOH FRANK knew damn well to listen to Fiona. Knowing that his gospel truth about Monica would never surpass Fiona's. Watching this scene was absolutely satisfying to see Frank come to his drunken ass sense about Monica, the children and his damn self.. GO FIONA!👏👏😁
This was the best tv scene of the century so far in my opinion so authentic you could feel the anger in Fiona and sadness in Frank just pure excellence👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I think this scene is so misunderstood by many fans ... fail to see that this scene highlighted how much of a victim not only fiona was of Monica's chaos but Frank as well.... keep in mind the only person frank ever cared about how they saw him was fiona this showed the audience the first victim of the disfunction wasn't the kids it was frank and he spent most of his time with Monica trying to fix her much the same as fiona did for Frank
i think many people do understand this concept, yet don’t care due to the fact that it’s still franks fault for being in those habits. over and over, he puts the kids last, fiona is more of the victim due to the burden both franks and monica’s mistakes has caused. i feel no pity for someone like frank because he chose his fate, fiona was forced into motherhood at a young age and their father stays just to leech off of the kids.
People do the understand the concept but feels zero sympathy for Frank because he continued to expand on the chaos Monica caused. He turned on his children and left them to fend for themselves. When they needed their father, he wasn’t there. The pain in Fiona’s voice is the pain of a woman whose spent her entire life, raising and keeping her brothers and sister together and safe as best as she could with no help from neither parent. The pain of a woman whose tired of her alcoholic father causing them unnecessary chaos.
What always gets to me about this scene was knowing Monica left them when Fiona was 9 & when you think about the first time she came back (1st season), Debbie asked her why didnt she take them w/ her, Monica's reponse was, "I knew youd be better off w/ Fiona", indicating she already saw Fiona as an adult instead of a kid. Poor Fiona never had a childhood, but made sure her siblings did 💔
And look how they repaid her😅 I know they're a product of their environment but heck, imagine sacrificing your childhood and early adulthood to raise your siblings and all of them take you for granted, like it is your obligation to care for them.
To an extent I can relate to Fiona a lot, I took care of my parents, mainly my mom from age 10-22 when she died of cancer, she was very unwell mentally and physically and wasn't able to be a mother and love me like I needed so whenever I see scenes like this from shameless I cry because I feel her pain.
“Not Monica.....me.” Ooh,this clip broke my heart so much. 🥺🥺 Fiona had *EVERY* right to go off like this. Sacrificing her life as a kid taking care of her father and younger siblings. Frank loved Monica,but knew she was the worst,hence why he was so hurt by Fiona's speech.
my dad died when I was eight years old and my mom she was a drunk until I was 14 and I'm the youngest kid out of my family and I would get so angry at her because she was never home but now she's doing okay but I'm still angry at her and I don't need to be but I am so Fiona I can relate
"Fiona takes care of everyone but no one takes care of fiona"-debbie gallagher
Except for Jimmy...... When he shipped Frank off in the first season he basically ended the show.... All of their problems start and end with Frank and Jimmy was the only character that took the initiative to fix it plot is the only reason Frank made it back home.
@@LeondreWilsono0o Take initiative? He literally kidnapped their father and sent him to a foreign country after knowing Fiona for 1 episode. He is not the good guy in this scenario.
@@slightlymiffedbear1416 Very true that'd creep like of him but what he did literally ended the show and all of the problems that would become some of the biggest plot points...
Back when Debbie had empathy
@@viovenda8922 true colors come out after a while.😂😂
"I was nine!" that sentence breaks my heart, she's been through so much Fiona, and she gets little to no appreciation for it
poiscnivy she loves her brothers and sister.
@@hopeelliott4254 RIGHT! ME TOO!
I had to go through the same bullshit my whole life and I hated it 😠😠😠😠
Who was there when Fiona got her first period? She left very expensive meth for them.
I felt that so much. It’s crazy that happens in real life. Not being able to be a kid yourself trying to take care of your younger sibs.😞
“She didn’t love you” It might sound cruel but I love the fact that Fiona was finally hurting Frank emotionally
I know right, he needed to hear that . All the pain and suffering him and his crazy ass wife caused to their own children.
Yes!!
I think she was just being honest
was she just saying that to hurt his feelings? i know monica was shitty & fucked up but i’m sure she still loved frank.
She wasn’t trying to cause him pain, just being honest
It really hits home how little Frank appreciates what Fiona has done for the family. She doesn't even get a thank you.
@Holographic Princess True but he's also mainly there to leech of his kids, not so much out of the goodness of his heart
Jinx Telepia Right 😁😁😁
I don't think this comment aged well...
NO NAME wtf? Lol she did?
@@sumcallmejesus yup... remember the time Frank was hospitalized and Sheila was kissing him? Where he talked a little girl who he thought was Fiona?
It's sad when you remember in season one how she was yelling at Monica "You were my mother too" and here she is yelling at Frank "She didn't love me, she didn't love you" the shows come full circle
Do u know the episode
Snow Snowy 1x09
@@lexlarae8466 thankyou
It was the truth, they did nothing for her or her siblings, and in return she gave them her competence for being shitty parents! Some people said she was being cruel for hitting her mothers corpse at the funeral home, but not thinking for how many times her mother was cruel to her.
@@lexlarae8466 no it’s not
this scene is so well acted and intense
You end up even feeling bad for Frank. And that’s not something that happens like ever.
Wait itt was ✨ A c T i N g ? ✨
Ikr. Brilliant and raw. 😊
@@chandlerrose4545 all of them really. Monica screwed them time and time again.
fuck I forgot this was a TV show
“ Not monica, ME! “ gets me everytime such an underrated actress
i know that and the 'she was never fcking here' have sm power behind them emmy is so good
She got a point dude she took care of everything starting at a young age she never had a life because it
ashley miles obviously
True!!
ashley miles wdym she has a point as if he had any sort of point whatsoever
Yeah,she couldn’t even be a kid bc she had to grow up early and take care of her younger siblings. And if it weren’t for her,they all wouldn’t have made it through.
But now she can! And she is!😁
Frank begging Fiona for some semblance of mercy when he says ‘please’ is what pushes me over the edge about this scene
it absolutely breaks me. I know Frank is a bad guy, but the way he looks/dresses reminds me of my dad who was never around. There's just some familial connection that hurts me when Frank gets hurt. Whether it's when he's getting made fun of, or when he cries. Even the scene where Sammi creates the fake Alibi in Sheila's and Frank starts weeping. So did I.
I stopped feeling bad for frank when he went to fionas wedding and outed her fiancée he didn’t do it to help her he just did it to hurt her because he was hurt. Although his acting is phenomenal.
@@lexlarae8466 ba good on him for exposing Sean he wasn't good for fiona, he left her hanging after that blew up found a new girl and was gonna get married to her and was still using Frank might've been the bearer of bad news and did it in a spiteful way but Sean was the real reason Fiona was that hurt
franks please always breaks my damn heart
Great acting. Give me that frog in my throat everytime
FIONA STOP MAKING ME CRY FOR GOD SAKE
Blandine Van Dyck same
Blandine Van Dyck it made my father cry
Blandine Van Dyck I was ur 1k like
Everything fiona said about Monica is true
@@Karlebow571 true ! I saw many people saying she went too far but in this scene she only stated facts
Frank and Fiona’s dynamic fascinates me so much. He clearly loves her and his other kids, but can’t resolve his personal demons to be the father they need. She resigned herself long ago to the idea that he’d never be there for them the way that he should have been, but there’s some small part of her that still wants that. Heavy stuff.
Love is a strong word coming from Frank. I think the only person he ever loved was Monica. His kids? He certainly had care for them deep down somewhere in him, and he expressed it very minimally at times, but love? Definitely not. Frank was just Monica, but instead of leaving his responsibilities behind, he stayed so he could leech off of his children.
Yea, that’s what I try explaining to people but no one gets it
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Idk. I always think about him taking the fall for Carl, or when he got food for "Fiona" in the hospital, and his completely broken and weak yet so full of pain "nooo" when he thought she died. I cry every time I see that scene, it's just acted so perfectly. I'm sure he loved them, at least Carl and Fiona. Fiona from her being the oldest and the history there (even the bad), and Carl since he never experienced the true hurt from before and they had a bond (remember him shaving his dad's hair for the sun rays and all their shenanigans?). I think the love was just shown horribly, as he is a terribly dysfunctional person, so he's of course going to be incompetent as a father. He could have done better, yes. And he was a user/opportunist and selfish, but he was human at heart and loved them, as far as that got them. He knew he was going to be sick in jail (something not many addicts who have been going as long as he (50 years straight?), is able to do) and yet chose sickness and withdrawal over letting his kid take the fall. It's not big in many peoples eyes, but it's huge for him, and for addicts in general. Being afraid of the withdrawals is what leads good people to lying, stealing, or scamming. It's just unbearable, both physically, and even worse mentally.
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Finally someone recognizes.
That happens a lot with characters in tv shows who have to grow up too fast and it always breaks my heart, (examples being Dean Winchester, Klaus Mikealson.)
The way her voice changes when she says "i'm glad she's dead"
Right. Like regret and relief at the same time.
So raw. One of those things that many from horribly dysfunctional families feel but no on dares say it out loud.
I have never seen sometinhg so well acted in my life. Like, seriously.
Felipe Pn same bro
Felipe Pn I say that about every emotional scene in this show like holy shit
I know sometimes I forget they ain’t actually a family
It always breaks my heart when Frank starts to cry in this scene...he loved Monica a lot
He loved her and deep down he loves his kids, and in this clip he realised how much he screwed up
Braulio Garcia you right
@@user-ep3fo5vw1v he didnt realized it...
He is still an awful father
@@anja6983 yes he is. but i still believe frank knows how awful he is and feels bad for it. but he won't change because he's selfish
Braulio Garcia frank loves all of them he clearly loves Fiona the most of the kids
the way her tone changed at 1:48 this was such a well acted scene
I agree. No more rage or desperation. She’s too exhausted to spend anymore of her emotion on Frank. All that’s left is cold, razor sharp resignation and bitterness. She’s done, and it shows.
You know what hurt? Fiona say that she was here for Debbie's first periods, but if Monica leave when she was nine, then Fiona was alone for hers. She must have been so scared... And she has no one to talk about it...
I bet Fiona thought she was dying when she got her first period. Can't imagine what the character would've done to educate herself on periods ahead of time.
Her voice goes higher when she says “I was nine” almost like a child’s voice. I think that’s cuz inside Fiona there is still that sad stressed out child
It's been said that you stay at the same age you get emotional damaged at and never got help. If that's true, than technically Fiona is still 9 years old while Lip and Ian would still be boys. Emotional pain ain't nothing to sneeze at
or maybe it’s because she was shouting?
@@j.ronnygibson theyre all emotionally constipated
Fiona’s frustration finally reaches a boiling point. She didn’t ask to be the a grown up at age nine since Frank was a drunk and selfish,
I know right. And she took care of everyone and I got so mad when Debbie was pregnant and pushing Fiona to keep her kid. Like she raised six of them from age 9 and she just wants a break. And she was so right for trying to kick her out when Debbie was having the baby
@@alenaibrahim4983 Well said. Debbie is a selfish, ungrateful little troll.................
And this is why Bill has won multiple Emmys. Now it's Emmy's turn to win one.
I feel like *"if she loved us so much, why wasn't she here?"* and *"She wasn't here, she was never fucking here!"* Could apply to a lot of people in life.
I get the feeling Frank wished for many days and nights that his mother would leave the same way their's did. I guess in his mind, her leaving was her saving them from herself.
It's an ode to unrequited love and dysfunctional families (relationships)
*me feeling attacked rn*
emmy rossum doesnt need emmy award... SHE IS THE EMMY AWARD!!
Honestly I can see why she left the role
She carried the show and didn't get any recognition for it
Addiction can be more powerful than love.
IS more powerful than love. It'd be more powerful than oxygen if you didn't get oxygen free and instantly all the time. Even food and water gets a back seat. You a think a person ranks?
Pleasure, as in something that makes you feel good, is the biggest addiction. We wont care about anything else once you find something you like or love.
Deep
That's sadly true.
Yeah,it's like an extra warm blanket you cant/don't want to get out of when you're wrapped in. And comes the toxicity taking pleasure from the comfort.
I love this scene because you know they're both kind of right. I mean Fiona more so than frank but still. Monica was a shitty mother, she abandoned them, was a junkie and an addict and all around the worst. But she did love them somewhere inside of her.
it is not about her loving them or not, it is about Frank loving her no matter what it is his tragic, and even some of the kids (not Fiona and Lip)
Braulio Garcia that’s partially it what’s sad is that she did forgive her in Season 2 and started to trust her again. But lip made her feel like shit for it. Cause she was acting like a mom before she did drugs again with frank. And even after she fucked up and broke Fiona’s trust she didn’t throw her out when she was crying in bed. Fiona was done with Monica and Frank when Monica cut her wrists in front of all her kids and there friends and Frank just walked away didn’t even try to save her life. And then of course Monica split again. Cause when Season 3 started Fiona truly had no heart for her either of them anymore
As someone who has experience dealing with a bipolar parent let me save you some time. She didn't. My father didn't love me and Monica didn't love them.
hope45688 she is still they mother They should respect her
@@cooper6210 After all she put them through? Fuck that!
This episode is one of the best the show has had!
Cate what episode is this
@@karenperezalamilla4625 Season 7 Episode 12
It’s in the fucking title
@@christianhawk592 no need to be rude
My mom was the same way at a point. Trust me shit like this makes you tough as nails when you're a goddamn kid.
Nicole Currivan amen sister
Real talk though
True but kids shouldn't have to become tough as nails because of their parents mistakes, they should be able to enjoy a normal childhood but it happens alot more than people like to think it does..the good thing though, is in the future it can make them same kids very successful adults because they do not want to live the way their parents did and stop the cycle.
This scene is why I view season 7 as the end. Fionas storyline came full circle, culminating in her confrontation with Frank over Monica as well as himself. No scene in seasons 8-11 had this level of pathos, making it feel like the seasons were just going through the motions. This felt like a true finale
so true omg
“I WAS NINE TAKING CARE OF YOU, taking care of all of us” that is a sign that she loves her family
My mom died today, she left us , she's a junkie and a drunk , I understand how she feels , I'm angry too!
It took me 3 months to forgive her💔
diaamonds _k omg. I'm sorry...
Джессика Романова its okay, my mom died from a heroin overdose
diaamonds _k im so sorry for you loss💕
aww i am so sorry to hear that
William H. Macy and Emmy Rossum are fucking phenomenal.
I cried when frank said “please..” IT WAS SO SAD
that begging for any semblance of mercy even giving all he's done... I've been there. You know you don't deserve it, but it's all you can muster up.
No, what’s sad is what all these kids went through because of him and Monica.
@@babe6835 exactly, I know he was going through a lot too but still his kids went through hell back and forth, especially Fiona and look how he repays her 🥺🥺
Good for Fiona. I'm glad she went all out in this scene. Monica deserved it and I'm glad she's gone too. She did nothing but cause more harm by blowing in and out of their lives. My father tried to do the same thing after leaving my sister and I with my mother and became a deadbeat.
Fiona is 100% right. But when frank said “please” with his voice quiet and breaking, that really hurt me and I felt so bad for him. He wanted to believe Monica was so amazing and great just because he loved her so much
True even at 1:14 he's not even denying he was loaded all the time he's that broken
Yeah late response but franks life is pretty damn tragic, a tortured genius to the point where he hates himself and just wants to forget and feel some sort of love. sad reality, he’s a selfish, possibly irredeemable person but there’s definitely more in the table of contents to frank than meets the eye.
Seeing how Frank is in the new season, it's clear that this was a real reality check for him
Imagine if that was a FILM, she 100 % will deserve to nominate oscar!!! God damn!!!
I understand Fiona and Frank. Monica left both of them, making Frank depressed because he loved her more than anything else in the world no matter what she did. She was bipolar and didn't know how to show love properly. They always got into fights. It was a toxic relationship, but Frank loved her nonetheless. Fiona was just a little girl when she left. With Frank drinking and doing drugs, she was forced to raise herself and her siblings at the same time.
JulietteMarie just an illustration of something really out there happening, shameless is real art and very well written
He didn’t love Monica though he used her in the first episode we met her
Juanita Mace I'm sure he still loved her, like throughout the series you see many instances of frank unconditionally loving his children even though by real world standards and what society expects is wrong, frank knows what he is and his kids have to deal with it but just because he can't properly care for them doesn't mean he doesn't love them
I love this scene. It really showed fionas frustration and made Frank open his eye for a bit about monica
I understand Frank's point of view ... Monica's loves was toxic ...
The way she looked when she said “She didn’t love you” was phenomenal..👏🏻✨
i feel like nobody understands what it’s like having a dead beat mom, this explains it so well
We still have this, "Honor thy Father and Mother " mentality. I'm religious and I believe that but there is also " Father's, provoke your children not to wrath. " i hate the concept of i must respect you, but you don't have to respect me that people have. That causes resentments and hatred
@@j.ronnygibsonWord to the not so wise: sick people already have the population divided by gender and skin colour, so try to not encourage even conflict within a family. I understand more than anyone that sometimes a relationship with blood relatives cannot be salvaged and it is better to give up on them, but it also should not be encouraged as this leads only to further atomisation...divide and conquer. Most are too far gone to understand this, but humans in the next century will see this as common sense in hindsight IF we survive as a species.
'She didn't love you. She didn't give a shit about anyone but herself.' Damn that is so accurate. So many times he had a free pass to fix himself and he didn't take the time cause like Monica all he cared about was himself. Fiona IS the mother. Fiona TOOK care of that family.
My mum was a stripper and a drug addict. She dropped out of my life and my brothers' lives so many times that I wasn't surprised when she didn't show up for days. I looked after my brothers and my dad who had grown too depressed to do anything. This hits home. Like really slapped me in the childhood because I get how fucked up mums like that can be and how angry I was at her all the time. She treated us like shit and when she left for good, I couldn't have been happier. That sounds like a bad thing but the way she fucked us over was ridiculous. As a result, I was put in care seven times. Other girls didn't like me because I was tough and didn't take shit and violent. So eventually, I had to become the mum in the family and look after my brothers because she chose not to.
Late to the party, but you and your siblings deserved so much better. My heart hurts for you and I hope you have found peace and the beauty in life that you deserve!
"ahh please" ohh such an amazing acting,
Fiona and Frank dialugue is very very powerful scene!
Monica was toxic to both the kids and frank but somewhere deep down she did love them. damn.
Love is an action word
Kinda the fucked up part about this show...Frank was a college student before he met monica (also that explains why lip is so fucking smart lmao hes a chip off the old block..even tho he trys to deny it) but once he met monica. The only positive that came from it, was there kids being born. Toxic relationships are always tricky and fucked up to try and understand
This scene lives in my heart. I remember this everyday. I still can't believe Emmy didn't get any award or nomination for portraying Fiona.
1:33 How the moonlight highlights her tears always gives me goosebumps.
All kids deserve parents but not all parents deserve kids
I’m no critic but this was some damn good acting.
This really hit me. I had a similar experience growing up and I totally relate to Fiona. Not having the mother you need is devastating. Even more devastating is the realization of it after years of self- delusion. My heart goes out to anyone who has ever lived through something like this. Much love.
william performance in this Scene is outstanding
"Not Monica, me!" Those three words broke my heart. You know you've just completely failed when your own CHILDREN can't even call you by a parental title and they use your actual name. That is the LOWEST form of disgrace as a parent that you can have.
Monica wasn't a terrible mom because she was bipolar, you aren't bipolar all the times, she and Frank are drunks and junkis and selfish parents and deserve to be hated by their kids, especially Fiona. I wish everyone would just stop this bullshit "they cared about the kids deep down" because well, caring deep down is NOT loving and protecting and taking care of your kids, and definitely is NOT a parents job. And seriously, you really think that "they could be worse" is an argument? My father was a drunk and left us and the fact that he wasn't an abuser doesn't change the fact that he fucked us up.
Julia Buu it was because she purposefully was off her meds.
Oh please she was a terrible mom. Hell both are
Being bipolar I can tell you that you have no fucking clue how bipolar disorder works
Fiona did forgive them more than once so did Lip, Debbie, Ian, and Carl. But people get to a point where you stop caring. Fiona’s breaking point was Season 2 when Monica tried to kill herself in front of everyone, Frank didn’t even try to save her life. Left Fiona, her boyfriend, and friends to save her and clean up the blood and shit. Anyone would be done after that. That was heartbreaking. Debbie and Carl got tired of dealing with there shit as they got older. Ian forgave Monica and had a soft spot for her cause of the bipolar thing.
You totally right, when I see people defending Monica and Frank I can only think that shameless fans are white and privileged people who doesn't understand the show at all. They are junkie and drunks, but that's not the only reason why they are bad parents. They are selfish and narcissist, so they are terrible persons and can't see that because they are locked in their narcissist and screwed heads. These kids have potential but they don't have anything but that, and that's why they're never gonna go far.
emmy and william’s acting is just so on point in this scene i don’t think they could’ve done it better
Honey really deserves an Oscar for her scenes in Shameless.
When he said PLEASE!! ,, he always made excuses for Monica, he truly loved her and he couldn't take it to know that she didn't love him
You could tell they really felt their characters
“SHE LEFT!!” Always hits me.
"I was nine" broke me into pieces, i remember when i was nine and the only thing i think and care about is what street games i would play and how i would win against my neighbors cause i know im the best on most of them. but Fiona was 9 and has to take care of her drunkard father, and her siblings, what a cruel world they gave her T_T
Frank was madly in love with Monica.he ruined his life after her.but still I learn some thing from him.
Do yourself a favor, and look up "Shameless - She Didn't Love You" its a beautiful compilation. This scene is in it.
i hate how like people try and villainize fiona because it's backstory relevance like this that really shows you that fiona never had the cards to play life right frfr bc even when things went well, she was still a traumatized little girl who took care of everyone but herself frfr
Emmy Rossum ❤️ why u are such a great actress. I admire her.
This clip is the best acting I’ve seen and it hits home and unfortunately this is very much a reality to a lot of people single parents that completely fall apart and the oldest child takes care of their siblings. Painful scene but powerful acting
Yeah, Fiona is the MVP of this family. She held it down in the absence of BOTH parents. She wasn’t perfect but she did more than most 🤷🏾♂️💯💐
Cried watching this scene, so relatable, Frank is my dad 100%.
The emotions are so raw and true it’s an incredible scene
I love how she actually stands up for himself
It is so insane to see Frank like this, the last few seasons really make us appreciate him more and make him seem more human
I remember being in complete silence when this episode was on cause the acting is phenomenal
I memorized everything she said in the argument
The “please” always breaks my heart
I love how she stands up for her siblings
fiona is so under appreciated.
Of course, she worked her ass off and Frank won’t even admit to it
When I thought they did the MOST with "YOU WERE MY MOTHER TOO!"
Them:
OOOOOOH FRANK knew damn well to listen to Fiona. Knowing that his gospel truth about Monica would never surpass Fiona's. Watching this scene was absolutely satisfying to see Frank come to his drunken ass sense about Monica, the children and his damn self..
GO FIONA!👏👏😁
Fiona has so much strength and fire in her I love and admire it!!
The way she turn to crying to the tone of madness made this 100%🔥
This was the best tv scene of the century so far in my opinion so authentic you could feel the anger in Fiona and sadness in Frank just pure excellence👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Such a powerful scene this show is so good and Emmy deserves a Emmy
If i was a producer i would make a movie about Fiona's childhood. She went throught so much...
The acting in this scene is just incredible.
Fiona is such a strong character ❤️
Out of the whole series and its been years since ive watched this show, I still occasionally think about this scene
I think this scene is so misunderstood by many fans ... fail to see that this scene highlighted how much of a victim not only fiona was of Monica's chaos but Frank as well.... keep in mind the only person frank ever cared about how they saw him was fiona this showed the audience the first victim of the disfunction wasn't the kids it was frank and he spent most of his time with Monica trying to fix her much the same as fiona did for Frank
i think many people do understand this concept, yet don’t care due to the fact that it’s still franks fault for being in those habits. over and over, he puts the kids last, fiona is more of the victim due to the burden both franks and monica’s mistakes has caused. i feel no pity for someone like frank because he chose his fate, fiona was forced into motherhood at a young age and their father stays just to leech off of the kids.
People do the understand the concept but feels zero sympathy for Frank because he continued to expand on the chaos Monica caused. He turned on his children and left them to fend for themselves. When they needed their father, he wasn’t there. The pain in Fiona’s voice is the pain of a woman whose spent her entire life, raising and keeping her brothers and sister together and safe as best as she could with no help from neither parent. The pain of a woman whose tired of her alcoholic father causing them unnecessary chaos.
What always gets to me about this scene was knowing Monica left them when Fiona was 9 & when you think about the first time she came back (1st season), Debbie asked her why didnt she take them w/ her, Monica's reponse was, "I knew youd be better off w/ Fiona", indicating she already saw Fiona as an adult instead of a kid. Poor Fiona never had a childhood, but made sure her siblings did 💔
And look how they repaid her😅
I know they're a product of their environment but heck, imagine sacrificing your childhood and early adulthood to raise your siblings and all of them take you for granted, like it is your obligation to care for them.
Powerful scene. This show has the best writers, actors and everyone else involved in creating this phenomenal series.
Fiona regretting she didn't left them in season 1. No one ever thanked her.
I keep rewatching these 😭😭😭
when the boys came out and stood on the steps🥺
My mom who went through something very similar loves this show because how much she relates to Fiona
To an extent I can relate to Fiona a lot, I took care of my parents, mainly my mom from age 10-22 when she died of cancer, she was very unwell mentally and physically and wasn't able to be a mother and love me like I needed so whenever I see scenes like this from shameless I cry because I feel her pain.
I love this scene Fiona hurt him emotionally and put him in his place frank was so oblivious and in denial in that season as well
“Not Monica.....me.” Ooh,this clip broke my heart so much. 🥺🥺 Fiona had *EVERY* right to go off like this. Sacrificing her life as a kid taking care of her father and younger siblings. Frank loved Monica,but knew she was the worst,hence why he was so hurt by Fiona's speech.
She’s such a good actor man
this scene is so special and truly my favorite in the entire show. the acting, the dynamic, the writing. incredible.
Breaks my heart when frank says “please”
I ALWAYS COME BACK FOR THIS DAMN SCENE TO CRY
this is my fav part "she was never here she was never f here she left!" wow she is a good actor i even memorised her script when they were fighting
i'm here again crying bc this scene it's so heartbreaking
Emmy Rossum slayed this scene. Great actress.
my dad died when I was eight years old and my mom she was a drunk until I was 14 and I'm the youngest kid out of my family and I would get so angry at her because she was never home but now she's doing okay but I'm still angry at her and I don't need to be but I am so Fiona I can relate