We lifted the F-150 Lightning! THIS is what happened to the Range!
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We added a Leveling Kit to the all new 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning! In addition to that we added a set of 34" Nitto Ridge Grappler tires and Black Rhino Wheels! The F-150 Lightning has a completely different suspension compared to a normal F-150. However we noticed that the front struts are very similar to the 2022 F-150 with an Internal Combustion Engine. The ReadyLift Leveling kit fits on the Ford F-150 Lightning!
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tow tow tow we get it. Everybody with a truck tows constantly and 400 miles a day oh wait no the don't. The vast majority of trucks take the kids to school and commute back and forth to work. If you are the guy that tows a lot and far then EV trucks aren't for you and won't be for a long time. These are for short distance fleets and normal commuter truck buyers.
So true!
true, but also consider that trucks are also purchased to tow when needed. for example I daily my truck but also have a camper that I tow. since I live in Texas there are stretches of over 100 miles between any decent sized city. it sounds like a nightmare trying to deal with that, and extending my drive time 2x (assuming I have access to fast charging, which is still limited).so even though I don't tow all the time, it's still not practical. unless of course I just had both!
my two ram cummins are hooked to gooseneck trailers most of the time, towing up to 16k usually. sure i wouldnt use an ev pickup for that much towing but most truck owners own an RV trailer and no matter the weight, they are a sail in the wind.
@@TCcustoms_ What's the bolt pattern on the wheels? Wasn't mentioned in the video and I can't find it anywhere online.
@@kre8havoc It’s clear. this isn’t for you. EXACTLY what the OP said. I’m a truck owner. I hate cars. my truck has done nothing more than daily drive to work where charging is free, and haul crap from the home depot and haul a small trailer roughly 10-20 miles max. I would love to replace my 16mpg 2004 f-150 with one of these. My other truck can do the long distance hauling 😉
186 miles with 2” level and tires. Stock range is 230 miles. 20% loss of range.
Can’t wait for winter range loss in addition
@calvin burns how will the state makeup for the loss in revenue in gas taxes once ev becomes mainstream you ask?..
@calvin burns how bout they do hybrids until the system is in place to power and charge these systems in a realistic time, termites release the most co2 into the planet, why don’t they attack them. This is just a political money grab for those unwilling to think for themselves
@@Liimpy they're getting there money now, it's a cash grab for gas companies I hear
@@SethsPhone when in rome right! Maybe this administration should have kept it's mouth shut about destroying the energy sector, you reap what you sow and unfortunately the people always suffer for failed politics.. they blame oil companies in public and send them love letters in private.. 🤷♂️
My knee-jerk reaction to seeing those skidplates was, "How will they change the oil?" - 30+ years of owning gas-powered vehicles is going to take a while to unlearn
I said the same thing lol. I thought, tough maintenance... oh wait
Not to mention that, the brakes last far longer too.... Damn they are taking away all our fun, hobbies...
Wait wait wait. You don't need to change the oil? Seriously?
@@nc3826 you and I have different ideas of fun lol
@@awahpahpow7735 In the event you're not joking, no. There is no oil to change. The motors are a closed system. There is no maintenance. At all. Just your washer fluid. Not a joke.
Well without a doubt that escalated quickly we all wanted to see the lifted F-150 Lightning I knew it wouldn't be long until somebody did it but literally just a few days I'm absolutely floored great job on the black-on-black full Darth Vader look
all i can see is the lift and tires really cut into an already limited range.
@@billw8476 totaly worth it...friends dont let friends drive stock trucks.
@@treadlightlyservicesllc.1930 ummmmm.......no
I live pretty close to T&C Ford. I actually saw this truck the other day. It looks really good in person. I’ve also seen a lot of their other customs on the road. They seemingly do a really good job. Most of them are tasteful without being garish. There’s another custom shop in the area that makes their trucks look like they should be in a Mad Max movie.
I'm not even a truck guy and I totally dig this.
Finally! Someone posts mods of the new Lightning!! The truck looks great and the video was very informative for those considering buying this truck, or even those who may already have one. Awesome video, I look forward to future mods for this truck.
Looks great! When I had my f150 leveled and bigger wheels and tires installed I lost about 6-7 mpg. Just a fact of life. I don’t see anything different happening with the lightning. You change the aerodynamics and wheel size, makes perfect sense that’d you’d loose range.
That's a huge amount. I levelled my Sierra and put on 34" (35" required a huge lift or metal work) I don't think I lost that much. Maybe 1 mpg ... Don't forget, larger tires throws your odometer reading out too. The truck may say 50 miles driven when it was actually like 55 miles in real life....
Yeah I guess I’d have to do the math, to get the true number..simply going off the truck’s system. It was a big drop.
What year was your truck, how high of a lift and what size tires that you lost 6-7 miles
Same here. 2016 F150 front leveling kit and 33" 10 ply goodyear duratrac 295/65R18 127P tires on stock rims. Went from 19mpg to 16 overnight. Made the truck much more capable off road. No more getting stuck in tall grass.
what does folks do while the car charges for 45 mins in 90* hot humid souther weather........
Leave it to T&C Customs to be the first to bring a modified Lightening to social. Great video and a definite improvement on how the truck looks. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching!
what does folks do while the car charges for 45 mins in 90* hot humid souther weather........
@@MrDW72 : Sweat
massive improvement with just a level kit. great work, TY for sharing this. P.S. a tint option for that white bar would top this dark theme truck out nicely ;)
That would set this truck off! Great idea!
I would love to see that
"massive improvement with just a level kit. great work," Improvement? If I lost 20% range on an ICE F150 I;d consider that awful. Just goes to show what idiots there are around when it comes to pick up owners. And yes, I own two ICE pickups, thank you very much.
A matte tint would look nice
@@philipgrice1026 So ya drop off the kids a school, head to work, drive to steak house for lunch (a growing number of food joints are getting charging stations), drive back to work, 5pm clock out and on the way you pick up some pizza for the fam. Chances are that most people will not even use half the charge. So do you want a cool looking truck or a little Volt? That said, if you like to go on long trips, drag a nice size bass boat, play in the mud, use your truck all day long, etc etc then this is for sure not the truck for you. Buy a Jeep and turn that frown upside down.
This truck gets the same range as my 89 f250 4x4 I owned back in the early 90s. Lol
Ford should give you guys some sort of additional funding if they don't already, because your videos on the Lightning are making me excited to order my own when the order banks open back up for MY 2023.
The day they fund this channel is the day they kill T & C's transparent reviews.
hahah... additional funding is coming by direct to consumer sales that will effectively remove the dealer from the sales process. At least that is what they are talking about. Not a very good reward.
The platinum trim actually already has this problem with the 22s they install standard. the range is impacted with the additional size.
They're on backorder for 3 years. Any MY 22 that doesn't get filled will be pushed to a MY 23 and so on. By the time you get it, hopefully a new administration will correct the damage done and fuel will be $2 bucks again..
@@TheMoneyBed fuel savings is like 5th on my list of reasons for ordering them for my business.
No lost time for maintenance
No lost time for fuel stops
On site generator
Secure Gear storage
Maintenance & fuel $
Even at $2/gallon im charging it off the roof of the shop for the same at 15mpg with payload & 8-10 towing. It likely won’t get to $2 flat ever again anyway. I expect gas to be $4/gallon average over the next 7 years and if anything I’m low not high.
This video is going to bust the bigger tire Lightning scene wide open, now that they see an in-depth success story. Nitto thanks you for their pending sales increase!
I wouldn't call 186 mile range a success story. And that's with no load/towing.
Hey buddy that looks good I pass you yesterday on I-20 eastbound on my semi truck red classic with a container I blew my horn to say hi to you I’m a big fan of the channel blessings for you brother
That’s awesome! I thought it was so cool!
Now that’s a sexy truck. Ford did a great job on it! All black looks really good. I want one!!
20:36 for the lifted range
Thank you! The content in this could of been 3-4 videos.
Finally thank you ☺️
Wait he says 196 miles range? But is this the standard battery or the extended battery?
Also is it charged to 80% or 100%
Thanks!
@@gregb9264 standard and charged to 80
Thanks! Giving Out of Spec Reviews a run for their money for quality content.
Just an FYI a recent study shows that even with the impact of battery manufacturer and a coal or natural gas power plant that after about an average of 5-7k miles an EV starts to gain on environmental impact
Bingo. And those studies don't even account for spark plugs needing to be changed, catalytic converters which use platinum metals groups which are considered super rare earths, fuel filters, fuel induction services, fuel injector cleaning, emissions testing, no oil changes on evs,
no transmission service's for evs, no coolant flushes, no thermostats or housings to change,, no clutches, brakes lasting 3-5x as long etc.
The ev is more sustainable vs the ice vehicles full stop. 👍🏻😎
Dude, haven't watched this channel in like two years. Not only are you doing something corporate Ford would sweat about but you're also in 2160pphdxtc². Y'all come a long damn way cuz
Important note. Batteries can access more of their charge with higher temps. Its Cold weather that will reduce the battery's accessible charge.
So just to point out some things:
The tires and wheels definitely killed the range more than the lift kit. Also, if he didn’t do the interstate drive as the test he probably would have gotten closer to 200-210 miles of range instead. EVs are already gonna lose some range when driving 65+ and adding bigger/heavier tires and wheels will exacerbate that.
So if you were thinking about doing a similar setup and you don’t do majority interstate highway driving, you wouldn’t take the same hit as what we saw here.
HORRIFIC range, under 2 miles per kWh, tesla pushes 3.5 on SUV...this vehicle is off my list.
@@xxxblanco It’s because they swapped the tires/wheels and lifted the vehicle. Also they used ac. Then tested it with all interstate highway driving. Pretty much did everything possible to have a super poor mile to kwh efficiency number.
If you keep it stock the way Ford built it, people get around 3.5m/kwh.
Yes you would. Considering it would do better without it. Haha
Tread pattern makes a huge difference in rolling resistance and I suspect is 95% of the reason for the reduced range.
I have a ‘18 Silverado and it sits on 33” cooper AT3’s, with a leveling kit. I went from stock 23/24 mpg highway to what I just drove 90 some miles and got 21ish mpg with a 250 steel bumper on the front and dual exhaust. Still doin pretty good on my gasser, can’t imagine what the range would be with all of my mods.
People wanna get this fine, knock your socks off. But it’s just not for me and what I wanna do.
Try the recon grappler I have them and previously had ridge grapplers, the recons are definitely quieter and handle better in the rain and still look really good
Your reaction to putting that pedal down....priceless 😆 🤣 😂
The "dual charger" is meant for Level 2 AC charging via 240V 80A circuit breaker supply, AC to DC charging. For DC fast charging such as Electrify America EVSEs, it doesn't use those "dual chargers" but rather goes directly via a dedicated DC (and monitored typically by a dedicated Charge Controller Unit, CCU responsible for communication handshake amongst other things) busbar/contactor/fuse supply to the battery
You are correct
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DC fast chargers aren't EVSEs, and for 80 amp continuous you need a 100 amp breaker. Under US code you can only pull 80% continuous from a circuit, also, breakers generally won't let you, the thermal trip will go off eventually.
@@xsterawesome you are right about 100A circuit breaker for a dedicated 80A supply for 19.2kW level 2 charging (Taycan/Lyriq should have this), error on my part. This covers residential Level 2 charging
DC fast charging stations are still called EVSE (Level 3 (Level 2 DC)Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) which is a generic term that covers all the off board chargers, classifieds by their voltage, type of supply, amp out, etc.
Semantics maybe
@@battousaihimura definitely a semantical argument, I just find the nuances, especially in things that I'm already interested in particularly interesting I thought you might as well.
Like, technically, level 3 doesn't even exist, it is just something that a long time ago some people said should be defined at some point but never have.
DC fast charging has never been standardized outside of some of the connectors and communication protocols. The voltages, current, and wattages are all over the place. Two different 350kW DCFCs can only deliver that wattage at a two different pack voltages.
Really I think before level 3 can become a thing auto manufacturers are going to have to standardize on a pack voltage and cell chemistry, if they could do that DC fast Chargers could get much cheaper to produce, unfortunately, I feel work too early in the game to standardize on a narrow battery voltage, but I do think it'll happen one day.
Wanted the Tesla truck but wow the look of this truck is awesome, love how y’all improved the look!!👌🏼
The CT will be vastly more efficient
@@headtaker02 I like it. But yes it won’t appeal to everyone and that’s ok.
Cybertruck looks like it was designed by a four year old with a Crayola crayon and construction paper.
@@egs2169 i think you are just telling yourself you like it. it literally looks like something being produced out of a third world country lmao.
YEEEES! This is the video I’ve been waiting for! 😤🙌🏻
13% loss of power translates to more wait time to charge. They need to increase the range to at least 350-400 miles.
I have seen another video of the EV with the bigger battery. They went 1277 miles and had to stop every 200 miles for 40 plus minutes only to charge to 80%. They said it took a total of 5 hours of charging to complete that trip. They need to find how to up the range of miles. My truck now can go 500 miles with the air set at the lowest point.
@@80Bigj I don't know why the trucks are so far behind but the cars are pretty quick on trips. A 1000 mile trip has 1 hour of charging time on an EV6 or Ioniq 5... I don't understand why the Rivian and lightning take 30-40 minutes to charge when the Model 3 and EV6 are 15-25 minutes.
@@peterjorgensen3 Tesla SuperChargers are significantly faster.
We need to remember this is a first generation product, give it time to get better, also most people aren't doing road trips that often so it's a small percentage use case
the range needs to be 300 miles while towing. I'm guessing that translates to about 620 miles baseline.
Hinting at TFL with your saying how easy it is with the charging? 😁😁
🤷🏻♂️😂
To be clear, the dual charge controller is for the AC-to-DC home install and is only applicable to the Charge Station Pro. The DC fast charging is only a single unit capable of receiving a continuous 150kw of power. This is the same DC fast charge unit capacity across all FORD EVs
Great test! Loss of range with leveling happens in gas vehicles and it will in EVs too. I think for a first generation EV, Ford did a really great job on this truck. There are still some hiccups to work out, but this is a very promising start.
I still get 350 miles per tanks
@@codytoddy Towing? If it’s a gas truck I doubt that. Your mileage will be cut in half easily. Diesel is a different story.
"As you can see it's... it's an ok looking wheel." 🤣🤣
Get me a 300 mile range towing minimum of 4000 lbs and it MIGHT make sense to purchase one to use as a truck is intended, as long as you don't mind a 1 hour "fuel" stop. Until then, EV technology is good for passenger cars only imho.
For that you need 50kWh x 300 + 10% reserve = 165kWh Battery. Look at the Rivian, that first iteration comes close to what you need.
I need 350km in winter storms without towing. I drive a Model Y plenty of range. I would like a larger vehicle but there is none available. And i vehemently refuse to use any fossil vehicles or any other fossil ressources. I‘m through with financing the Russian murderer and the Saudi slavers.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 so plasctics on the Tesla come from.. oh wait. Oil and Gas.
@Tomos Dobbins oh for sure.
Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of new pickups are just used as passenger vehicles. It’s cool that you still use your truck for heavy work. ICE trucks will still be available to buyers like you for a long time. But for the vast majority of pickup owners who use their trucks to commute to the office, pick up the kids from school, and haul a boat a few miles in the weekends, the Lightning actually makes way more sense than an ICE pickup.
I own a pickup truck and can confirm that I spend around 27 hours a day towing at least 8,000 lbs for distances of 1500+ miles at a time. You know, casual workload.
Glad you did this answers a lot of questions for everyone thinking of getting a lighting
Love the vid, wish you would have done them separately though :( I'm going to assume the majority of the range drop comes from the wheel/tires vs the leveling kit.
for sure
Exactly! Title of the vid states “what’s the range after one change”, actual vid “we changed wheels, tires, added a wheel speed thing…oh, and added spacers in the front”.
Truck looks great though.
Just a personal experience…I had a buddy with a 13 Silverado and he leveled it and put on bigger tires, but kept the stock wheels. He dropped from about 18 mpg to about 15. The truck’s aerodynamics are tuned for the front to be a bit lower. You’re catching a lot more air by raising the front a couple inches. The heavier wheels and tires don’t help, but I’d like to see this tested with only the level.
I can't emphasize enough--this test is completely useless unless wind is accounted for. Even a 5mph headwind on the highway destroys the range! It's so annoying that he never mentions wind direction.
Excellent video with so much information. Well done!
As soon as this truck came out my mind said “you gotta change those ugly tires and lift it baby” , thanks guys for this testing
you answered the question EVERYONE wants to know kudos
Was on the edge of my seat excited until the caution about Blue Cruise. We need a Guinea pig out there that wants to test it first.
💯💯💯💯 EXACTLY!!! 🤣
Makes sense, after leveling my 15 F150 and putting 33" KO2s it went from 22 to 18 mpg on the highway.
KO2s and Coopers are garbage
Get Nitto ridge I regret my coopers
that’s cute, my 2013 averages 10.8 thanks to a 4 inch lift and 305/70/R18 kanati trail hogs
I noticed a huge change in mileage going between KO2s and Kanati Trail Hogs and Goodyear Duratracs (same tread pattern as the Trail Hogs). KO2s have very noticeably less rolling resistance. Going to KO2s allowed me to go up several sizes without losing mileage. Switching to the Kanatis in the same size resulted in a huge drop in mileage.
@@wirebrush 35”s are overrated af put 33” on a gas vehicle call it a day
@@gregb9264 That's a broad brush to paint with. You realize not every vehicle comes with the same size tires and not everyone has the same needs? I don't believe I mentioned a particular tire size anyway. Also, what does the fuel type have to do with the price of tea in China?
I had the same tires on my truck so it's cool to see that it's possible to do with the lightning. But I don't think I'd do that with the standard range battery. It's one thing if you're slicing off 13% of a 400 mile range but I wouldn't want to limit the range any more. Looks cool though.
Unless your daily drive is at the limit of the standard battery pack (200ish miles), reducing the range by adding larger tires will not make any difference. If you only drive 30mi (average American) to 150mi per day, these tires and lift will not cause any problems.
I wouldn’t lift or level one, but that’s just me. My commute is about 90 miles per day, but once or twice a month I do about 150. I do have a fast charger on my way home though. I’m going to consider one when the new wears off and the prices and supply stabilize. I’ll keep my old SUV for the occasional trips out of town.
@@billbayer5526 yeah an average day might be fine but you're forgetting the wide variety of driving habits not only are we talking about truck owners who drive more and use their vehicles in different ways but what happens when you do need to drive a long distance
Cool until you decide to tow heavy and then you realize you can't go anywhere. Lol
@@mriphone1000 I don't tow except very rare occasions and even then it's short trips.
Nice job on being out front with this and for showing us the underside of the truck. One topic you might cover is what effects of always "rapid charging" vs regular charging will have on the life span of the battery pack. I know very little about that but I hear that the rapid charging hidden cost is shortening the life span of the battery. How can anyone know the effects, especially when maybe buying a "used" one down the road when they might be available.
Tesloop has been quick charging their various evs everyday multiple times a day for year's in their taxi service. So far the best pack lasted over 300k, with most lasting 200k. Modern ev batteries that are liquid cooled with very advanced bms are well designed to handle the strain fast charging puts on the pack. 👍🏻
This was a GREAT and informative video! Awesome job!
4:19 That’s one brave experienced mechanic trusting the pry bar not to slip and smack him in the face . No safety glasses 😂
That was awesome to see!! With that size of tires, I was predicting a greater range loss....so I was definitely surprised. Interesting to hear about the tire noise aspect as well. Has mind thinking now when my standard range XLT eventually comes in. Great job!!
Don't worry the rain. Her that's on a brand new battery mind you see how long the range is after 50 complete charge and discharge Cycles,because it most definitely will be at least 20 to 30 miles less range.and that's with an empty bed with no passengers.im sorry but that's trash.
@@jasonmurdoch9936 Time will tell, but data from existing EV's doesn't support what you are saying. Although this is a new battery for Ford...I am guessing they have test the crap out of it already before they even launched
@@jasonmurdoch9936 you think its gonna be 15% range loss after 50 charging sessions? 😂
People said the same thing a dozen years ago when ford launched the eco boost. It’s going to be junk, you’re going to replace turbos. Ford torture tests the crap out of new technology, especially if it’s going in the F150. I’m in the construction industry and 90% of our guys love their eco boost. The only ones that didn’t were the ones that got the first run with the intercooler issues or the ones that expected 24 mpg towing a 7k pound trailer. Otherwise, from what I’ve seen and heard and also from our own fleet, the issues are rare and random.
Gotta love standing outside when it's 96 degrees for 40+ minutes. Exterior temp really does a number in the cold vs being hot out.
leveling kit looks awesome with the wheel combo. Could have just leveled and put a more aggressive tire on the factory wheels ! which is what I will do as soon as ford lets me place my order
I am 100% sure you make tight turns or go in reverse turning those tires will rub should’ve just went with a 33 inch tire instead. But it’s good to know my buddy just got a lightning and I’m gonna let him know he finally lifted or level it.
First off, your videos are fantastic very informative and well made. I wish I were closer to your area, I would have looked in to reserving my order through you guys. So I have a question. Since the battery on these trucks are modular, do you think it is possible that in the future we will be able to upgrade the existing battery to a the longer range battery?
FINALLY! someone thought outside the box!! 💪🏽💪🏽
I looks pretty good, only one suggestion: Change the wheel offset to keep the tire in the wheel well instead of pushing it out. That would improve efficiency.
Aerodynamics are very important, just bringing in the tires would bump efficiency up to 2.1 Mi/kWh
Most of the time if you’re modifying the tires, you want some kinda poke
Would probably rub at full lock
@@jaredourada Did you check it? It probably won't because the Platinum model comes with 22 inch wheels and it's the same front and rear suspension.
@@heathwirt8919 thats because of the rotational mass gain PLUS a lot of extra creature comforts that add weight and use power.
If you want this on bigger tires trade the dealer for the 18” wheels from the pro & powercoat them or better yet buy some really lightweight strong wheels like method forged with a and get 275/70R18s with low rolling resistance like a toyo at3 or cooper xlt AT3 etc both are great everywhere. Less power, more grip, longer life.
Long Video-? I didn't think so! Your videos tend to be filled with a lot of insights and info that I hardly felt the video is too long. The long video allowed me time to experience what you experienced without the quick cut-aways that other youtubers cut out or minimize in order to make short videos. Thanks from a Long time subscriber!
“Chirp!” … Those Nitto’s look really good! … Loved the “creepin’” insert! 😂😂😂🛻🍷 … Does that Nitto fit underneath as a spare?
Looking at lifting our 23 ER Lariat Lightning, and building a mobile charger in a 5 x 8 overlanding trailer with 4kW of solar panels. Our 3.6Kw array we built in our backyard to charge it is able to put around 40 miles per day into it, slowly... at 12amp on a 6kW hybrid inverter/charger.
That charger was quite reasonable. He was paying $.1714/kWh. The avg. cost for residential power there (Alabama) is $.1315/kWh. Not bad. His cost using that charger is $.09/mile for that trip.
But nothing is free. This truck got 2.0 miles/kWh, where a Tesla Model 3 gets about 4 miles/kWh.
This is how you know this video was a paid advertisement. Electrify America charges $0.43 a kWh. EVGO charges $0.34. These are not including membership fees, TOU fees, standing fees, session fees, etc., which can substantially raise that final per kWh cost. And you have to count all the membership fees you are paying whether you used that company service or not on this particular charge, because that is part of your total monthly or annual cost to put energy in the vehicle.
34 miles of range lost, on a truck that started with 220... thats tough. You could only drive 136 miles before the low energy light flashes. But those rims and tires do look pretty awesome.
If the lighting started with 300 and lost 50 miles, I think that would be more acceptable.
One of my main concerns with EV charging is the time it takes to charge. Now, once more of them come and range gets better, this will become a non issue for most part. Then we’ll be back to cost to charge as it will definitely get more expensive as time goes on
The cost to charge is only related to the cost of electricity not the size of the battery or range of the vehicle. 90% or more of the time, an EV owner will charge at home where it doesn't matter how long it takes to charge. If you're the kind of person who takes long trips and/or tows a trailer/boat/camper then this ain't for you yet. If you're an average American, a truck like this will not change your lifestyle in the least...well, other than not having to get and pay for gas.
if you charge from home, think about all the time you will save from not waiting in line at a gas station. On the way home from work when I need to fill it can take 30 mins to actually get gas. (long lines in my area)
If I never had to go to the gas station, it would save me at least an hour a week.
It takes 5 seconds to charge!
Yeah, that is a genuine concern. Electrify America stations are awesome for this reason. You can get 60-80% in like 15 - 20 minutes. I usually just plan to grab a bite to eat and it's fully charged (90%) before I'm done eating on every long trip I've taken so far.
@@jschroeman : Where do you live that you have to wait in line at a gas station? I've never had to wait in line at a gas station ever & I have lived & traveled all over the U.S.
Im setup to order a 2023 with T&C when it opens up. Now i need to talk to them about a level and 20's... this looks awesome
If you switch to a forged lightweight wheel thats tucked 10mm more and user a lower rolling resistance tire (like the toyo AT3) you would cut that loss in half. Also coal fired power plants are not inefficient, they are just toxic.
Yep. I run the Toyo OC AT3 for that reason. It's just great all around and only a 5% loss vs. regular all-season pavement tires (not 13%) - also no level, which costs aero.
When you add some more passengers with a lift in the tires then do that funny math
As much as I'm sure it's out of vogue, I'm really curious if lowering the truck would extend the range at all?
Really appreciate you guys posting videos like this one which includes the pros and cons
It would, but so marginal of a gain that it's almost a margin of error.
depending on how low you went. if you got it right on the ground the improvement would be insane
Thank you for confirming it can be lifted!
Keep doing what you guys do
Thank you for the info I just order a Lightning yesterday and my dealership didn’t have the answers to my questions but you did. Johnny from Quebec Canada.
I don't see anyone mentioning this but, you drove until empty approx.175miles. then you added 76kw to the vehicles battery and presumably drove back to the dealer correct? That 76kw did not give you enough range to do so. Did you make it back or did you have to stop and top off again before you got back to the dealership? Looks like the usable range is 140-150 miles on this setup.
You’re reading this wrong. ~ 190 of the state 220 mile range is how far he thinks a charge would go.
I've had a 2023 lightning for a few months, 2 inch level kit, I love it best vehicle I've ever had
I'll be interested in a " real world " test for my world. 80mph speed limit and a 2000 ft altitude increase. Daily
"up hill both ways."
TFLTruck did the Ike gauntlet with the lightning pulling a 9800 lbs trailer, up hill spent 16% battery and downhill gained 6% battery.
@@RedWingsninetyone I thought it was 80 mph vertical for 2000ft?
My grandma called and said she wants that Westinghouse grill back on her kitchen hood
Not a bad hit! I’d imagine with stock size AT standard load tires (vs 10 ply) you could nearly have the stock range with much better looks. Great job!
Man I am loving it. I don't tow just carry a bunch of softball gear. I also don't drive far other than to work, which a 1/2 mile from my door and to sporting events. With the price of gas here in CA this would be perfect for me just the way this truck is. I have never been into EV cars but this appeals to me more than the Tesla.
If blue cruise wont work with a level kit because of the angle of the cameras, that would also mean it wouldn't work with a heavy payload. I am not sure I buy that it wont work, I think Ford is just doing some CYA.
Hmm I had not considered a leveling kit PLUS payload. Maybe that would make the cameras only see sky.
@@PopsGG in the TFL towing video, it didnt seem to squat that much towing near maximum.
This is an awesome video. Thanks as always guys!! Just placed my order on a Lariat Lightning, and I'm really interested in this mod right away. I'm curious if there's any speedo recalibration options available that don't require me to tear my brand new dash apart!
Not just 80 lbs, but 80 lbs changing the moment of inertia on the wheels. That’s a significant loss in efficiency. Also changes drive ratios as well
yeah garbage range, I would MAYBE be able to get to work and back in this truck...MAYBE, completely crossed off my list, no fkin way I would buy this. Toyota Tundra hybrid all day.
@@xxxblanco you drive 180 miles to work and back?!
@@alphalimayankee9 150...only 9 years until I'm 50 and retired on a 6 figure state pension dawg.
Makes sense using the low end model. Usually if you are jacking up your ride, you aren't jacking up an expensive vehicle.
The cool thing about EVs are they get cleaner as the grid gets cleaner. And if you decide to install solar at your house it's even cheaper to own one. That also means you will pay off your solar earlier with what you save in gas. Thank you for doing this video!
Except for the absolute MASSIVE carbon footprint of that battery.
@@mrad6529 in comparison to the footprint of a normal cars gas consumption over the course of its lifetime
@@dalodrin1346 the initial carbon footprint of the big battery cars are never reached by an ICE. There is a Ted talk on it that graphs out why hybrid make way more sense.
I just wish it had a front middle seat option and column shifter. Then I would get the Lighting
I wonder how much more efficient a regular gas F150 would be with all that aero and low rolling resistances business.
I don’t think you’ll be able to block off your grill.
There is an electronically deployed air dam extension under the front bumper on all F150s. Supposedly that helps a bit with highway mileage and aerodynamics. It’s hard to tell when it’s working unless you have a camera under your truck to actually watch it deploy haha.
@@lawnmowerdude If I'm not mistaken, the regular F150 has grill shutters. So, I don't know how big of an improvement a fully closed grill would be. However, I think other similar parts could be added to any F150 by Ford.
Probably good for a couple mpg at highway speeds.
@@AkioWasRight yeah I think some trim levels do, not sure if they all do or not. Not even sure if my 2021 has them ha. It does have the front air dam extension, though. Honestly, I think it only activates when you switch to “Eco” mode and you’re driving above a certain speed.
Listen, I don’t care what happens to the range because that Lightning looks so good! Plus you can plug in every night at home. 180 miles is more than enough for a daily.
Doesn't sound like much until you stop short getting to a charger.😵💫 The only problem with electric you just have to plan more.
Whoa -- those wheels and tires REALLY make that thing look better! I don't hate the factory wheels at all, but those new ones really look good!
Would not altering the ride height affect the payload calculations with the advanced trailer towing pack as well?
It can also affect the ADAS systems on the truck. The cameras and sensors are calibrated for a stock truck and stock ride height. I would be curious if lifting it throws them off.
I just got back on a 400 mile delivery. I charged about every 200 miles so 3 times on a fast charger for about $45 and once at home for about $5. My sprinter van would have been about $260 in fuel for an 800 mile round trip.
YES, making electricy to charge an EV is as bad as making Diesel or Gas at this stage. HOWEVER, Driving an EV is Cheaper, Cleaner to the environment and more fun than driving and ICE vehicle, and that is MY reason to order an F150 Electric truck.. Facebook should not be the source of our information about EV's.
How is making electricity just as bad as making diesel? All the electricity where I live is entirely hydro electric. 💯 renewable energy
Good job doing the real world testing. Electric vehicles do have a place in this world.
Looks good, what about changing the tire to offroad and keeping the OEM wheel 🔥
Ev is not cheaper. Cost of ownership is still higher than ICE up to 7-10yrs
I like how you leave the bloopers in the video. great editing job!
I'd love to see one of these lowered a few inches. Or even on airbags. And who knows you may get better mileage than stock. With the truck lower the ground. It would be interesting to see!
Especially with a set of ground effects to further improve aero
I plan to reverse level mine!
Good luck making that rear suspension work with that lol
Looking at buying this next early 2023. I saved your info and I am so in. I am getting exactly what your set-up is. Excellent video. I have been researching for months and almost went with the Rivian and then the Silverado, but then comparing the cost, the ability to charge my home during a blackout for $4 k extra and the reliability. I like the looks of the Silverado a bit better but not for the cost difference and it won't charge my house.
Hook up a trailer and go like 80 Miles on a full charge lol okay got it, not going to work for the working man
EV trucks lose about 50% range towing and even this standard battery would cover the distance and scenario you proposed. They would do it easier and cheaper too. You messed up your math when trying to be an EV hater lol.
@@TheAndrwwJohnson what about getting back if they can’t charge midway?
Another great reason to drive an EV is energy independence. Distributing an American made vehicle on American made fuel is a beautiful thing!
Damn right it is. Every $1 spent on gas sees over 70% of that money go outside our economy. Vs every $1 you spend charging an ev has over 60% of it stay within the us economy. And energy generation is a big employer helping keep more jobs in the U.S.👍🏻😎
Great test. The rolling mass of the wheels is the majority of the range loss. People don't realize how much more they spend on gas with cooler, heavier wheels, and how much slower their trucks' 0-60 is with them.
Great video! The Lightning looks great with the Ridge Grapplers. I have the same tires on my Ram. Great tires! I'm not ready for an EV just yet. Wanting to see more truck brands.
You shouldn't use the 350 kw charger as the truck won't take advantage of it anyway. You are taking up a space for vehicles that can use the faster charger.
why not use forscan to adjust the tire size? worked perfect for my 21 with 35s
So it's like a regular truck with a 15gal tank, but also takes way longer to refill, on top of never supposed to fill up all the way. But don't worry, it also won't hold as much charge over time unlike a gas tank never holding less on day 10000 than day 1. And if it doesn't like the temp outside.....
awesome and simple build, great all around truck as a result! As long as you're not towing (like a lot of truck drivers) all the time, this is such an impressive vehicle. Also, coal is a poor form of energy creation compared to most power plants but is still superior to internal combustion engines which are the least efficient form of energy producing plants. So even if you're powering your ev off of coal sources you're still net positive compared to ICE vehicles.....and that's the worst case. If you have solar/wind/NatGas then you're making a HUGE difference
Curious, would 34’s fit on the factory wheels? I happen to like the look of them. And secondly, would the 34’s fit the truck without the leveling kit?
You can wrap any wheel in a 34”
Also you shouldn’t be able to fit more than a 33” tire on stock truck with no level
Level will be needed to fit 34”
Maybe with a slightly slimmer tire it may work better on the stock wheels, like a 275/65/20 (they're about a half in slimmer 10.6 vs 11.1 🤷♂️). With a leveling kit of course.
@@MC4D. i would just go with a 275/60r20 once the stock tires wear out with no level
I had 275/60r20 on my slightly lifted silvered perfect width rode great not much loss in mpg either
Get something with a mileage warranty. AT3 XL from copper probably an excellent choice This truck is heavy and all that torque is hard on tires.
Now that it has been over a year what are your thoughts? How long did those tires last? Do you get a strong pull left with those tires when you launch? How is BlueCruise working?
What load rated Ridge Grappler did you go with? That 8k gross vehicle weight has me concerned.
What could be more fun?
Driving further then 200 miles
When are we gonna see the solar bed cover "range extending " charger?😎
Might be a while, there is a patent on that.
@@PopsGG I wonder if you can plug in to the inverter in the bed and actually charge while you're moving....
@@GTNBY2 Or at least regenerative brakes
@@paulelliott682 it has regen
the cost to benefit ratio is to huge to bother, cost a lot and get a couple miles a day. The truck isn't very efficient and neither are solar panels so lose lose. You slap 4 300 watt panels on the bed so in perfect conditions that is 1.2kw which would never actually happen so more like 600watts in normal conditions 8 hours a day is 4.8kw. The truck uses 1kw to go 1.9 miles so all that money for a solar setup gets you 9 miles being optimistic. Houses use a LOT of panels and hav them angled to be as efficient as possible to generate a use full amount of power, you can't to that on a truck bed.
Snap-on TPMS5 will program the truck for larger tire sizes without removing the cluster on the dash.