I'm actually impressed with it crawling out of those holes, mud and over the rocks. No, it's not a hard course, but with those tires, I would have expected much more slipping. I wouldn't buy one of these for off-roading, but it would make a great truck for local work, deliveries, etc., then back home for a charge in the evening.
@@mtang65 Ford gets their batteries from SK Innovations, which sources materials mainly from Glencore of Switzerland, which has a strict no child labor policy. Most of their cobalt does come from Congo, but also Canada and Australia.
I bet the Michelin tires that David uses on his trucks will be the best of both worlds. Aggressive enough to do stuff offroad while still being efficient. The 18s on the pro are the most ideal for me
I lifted the front of my Lightning Pro. Just 2”. It looks so good. I went with 275 70 R18 tires to give it more clearance. I have not noticed much range loss at all.
Finally a real Lightning review! I’m planning on lifting mine if possible, and slightly bigger tires. But no verbal sound effects! Rust, And def looking forward to the quiet driving off the pavement, windows down, just me and the birds and the B&O stereo …oh yeah! But needs rock guard, not steps, for even mild overlanding. Popcan body panels may not rust, but sure need protection!
You could simply put a 2” space block above all four struts to lift a few inches. Maybe longer half shafts and control arms for more lift. I think mods on these electric cars and trucks will soon be like modding your R/C car some day. Motor upgrades, tires, even shell. Imagine, no fuel lines, exhaust or drive train. It’s like when the first cars resembled horse carriages until they adopted change.
The lifts are easy for this. Take a look at the 3.5 inch lifts Traxda offers for independent suspension platforms. Plus, 3.5 lift on independent suspension gives immediate ground clearance and body lift, even before larger tires, whereas bof lifts lift the body clearances only until you put larger tires to raise the min clearance (the diff). Remember, your lift on solid axles does not change min clearance, only the tire size does.
In retrospect, I should clarify. Basic indep. susp. lifts (i.e. spacer lifts on the strut mount with longer sway bar links) will be easy and available in short order (like the Traxda lifts mention in my original comment). Downside to those is the fact that they put strain on the axles/cv joints and pull the tires in due to the angle change on the control arms, reducing tire turn angle and therefore increasing turning radius and making tire rub more common esp with larger tires. However these are super cheap and easy to install in a garage with basic tools. That said, the more complex lifts for indep susp. with a full replacement of control arms with longer ones and longer axles to avoid these issues from spacer lifts, are already available for the the front suspension of pretty much every truck out there, so the same companies could be expected to produce ones for the rear suspension in fairly short order. Pros and cons aside, I think that one would be well served with a basic spacer lift of 1-1.5 inches on the Lightning (keeping the strain on the cv joints and other issues essentially minimal), coupled with a 2" larger than stock diameter tire. This would result in 2-2.5" of lift to the minimum ground clearance, which as discussed above is both body clearance and min clearance on a indep susp vehicle. To get the equivalent min clearance lift on a solid rear axle F150, you would need to have tires 4-5 inches larger in diameter to lift the diff clearance by the 2-2.5" and whatever size of suspension lift needed to gain clearance for tires that much larger than stock (plus the same large lift on the front ind suspension, with the downsides already mentioned above).
Good comment. Mud terrains or at the least hybrid terrains will frequently be added, in addition to at least leveling kit style lifts. It all comes back to range range range with these EVs, in addition to refuel time and cost of battery replacement. There are very specific applications where they make a ton of sense, but these trucks are a LONG way from legitimately replacing a gas or diesel truck.
I would suspect as big as they do gas trucks. My RAM Rebel has 33" Duratracs which are actually hybrid (MT & AT) and they sap a ton of mpg. Regular RAMs with street tires will get about 17-18 mpg real world, Rebels with their stock 33" get about 13 mpg real world.
@@JohnnyLightningV10 I doubt that, people do it all the time with gas/diesel trucks, bigger wheels and tires that don't effect the warranty. Even Rivian offers their truck with street and off-road tire packages.
Looks like the Rivian is going to be the off roading truck of choice with its ability to increase ground clearance from the factory. When the Cybertruck comes out it won’t be as small and nimble but no scratches or dents and an incredible approach angle is going to make it a beast. It will also be the lightest EV truck.
Lifting it shouldn’t be an issue with the irs, most off road vehicles with exception of the wrangler/gladiator have ifs and they have lifts for just about everything. Great video TFL!!!
These weigh pretty much the same as the steel bodied F150s. They weigh less then 3/4 ton Fords. The Hummer EV is closer to 10k pounds so that will probably go through tires quicker.
Well with current gas prices towing a trailer any where past 300km cost 280$ + in gas i would rather spend the extra houre to charge the lightning for 8 to 10$ in canada DC fast chargers cost 21 cents a minute and they claim the lightning can charge from 15% to 80% 45 minutes 10 dollars to charge opens more possibilities for traveling but if you have deep pockets and spending 1000 $ to drag your travel trailer to spend another 300 for park fees for a week end getaway just to save 3 hours.. fly at it
@@lesstevens2370 agreed, entirely depends what your time is worth. For me, I’d gladly spend the $280 to not have to spend 4 hours charging for a weekend, but I can totally see why the math wouldn’t work for some people.
They could fix the throttle mapping with something like Crawl Control. For normal driving the accelerator pedal sets the torque applied to the wheels. For off roading you want to control the wheel speed because you might need to go from almost full torque to get over an obstacle to zero the moment you're on top of it. Or in other words what they need is a different mode for controlling the motors. I have a cordless drill with a brushless motor. If I pull the trigger lightly so it's spinning slowly, it's not using much power if it's just free spinning. But if I try to stall it, the electronics will immediately ramp up the torque to try to maintain the speed. It's hard to stall even at a low speed. Older drills without electronic controls work more like the Lightning. The only way to get full torque is to squeeze the trigger all the way, but then if it breaks loose it spins up to full speed.
I am a f150 ecoboost owner and we tow a 8300lb RV. I'd love to try a a Lightning. We don't go very far most trips. But it might be 95 % of every thing I could use daily.
That front air dam and those running boards have got to go!! Maybe make an option for a ACTUAL OFF ROAD VERSION. Include the bits from the Tremor, just on the Lightning. Better approach angle up front locking dip in the rear with available Torsen upfront, and for Ford sake, 18 inch wheels with some decent Rubber.
yeah and im curious how much some nice offroad tires and wheels will kill mileage seeing how these things have aero wheels and other stuff to just help with milage. a more aggressive tire is gonna pull that number down
I was so curious about the level of off road abilities. No doubt the power is there, but can the truck handle off road? Can it handle getting a little air? How much air. I know it's not a Raptor, but just how much can it take with that weight? I'm liking it so far. I'm glad it had the tires it might come with. I was really concerned with modulation and it sounds good enough.
I’ve seen vids on towing and all but I’ve yet to see anything that covers how you charge while hooked up. Most charge stations I’ve seen are set up like normal parking spaces so if you don’t unhook, you’ll be sitting there with your trailer blocking the parking lot which will make a long distance road trip a real pain in the ass.
I think an easy fix to the throttle mapping and lack of 2 speed transfer case is to have multiple throttle maps selectable inside of offroad mode, you could map like 0-10% throttle over the entire pedal rangle to simulate ultra low range, then maybe a 0-25% for low range, 0-50% for normal, 0-75% for medium speed, 0-100% for high speed. The torque of the electric motor should get you out of anything in 0-10% mode, because the electric motor has the most torque at the lowest rpm, so being able to fine control it at such a low throttle input would make low speed rock crawling far more enjoyable.
Quite impressive really with those road tires. Looking forward to driving a Lightning in the near term and may even buy one in 23 or 24. Well done Ford
I think ford killed it with this. Its not super flashy going down the road. A lot of people dont want to drive a cyber truck down the road screaming look at me! Lol
Most pickup trucks are parked in people's driveways at their homes because they don't fit in typical garages. How will I charge the truck, what if it's raining? Truck's nice but no one talks about the charging issues/location's!!
Its good for around town with light loads but pulling trailers not. I will stay with my 2021 hybrid Ford 150 with its good mileage of 24 city a 22-23 hiway as the front has been lifted and a large protection grill on the front. I do get this mileage. I dont want to sit at a charging station every 250 miles either. I
Yep throttle mapping is key for any car but especially electric cars because they have no excuse not to get it right… Smooth predictable response from the accelerator and brake and in combination with regeneration to allow highly sensitive and gentle inputs
I don’t foresee too much issue lifting these, at least not a problem with a few inches. Ram 1500 has had full independent suspension for several years now, they get lifted often without too high a cost. I guess with EV there might be some cables/connections that limit how far away the body/chassis can be from the wheels?
Nice but with that big of a battery, it should be able to have a charge peak of 250 kW instead of 150 kW. Must have cheaped out on the power electronics? Hopefully they will increase it as they get experience.
I actually just went to a class that discussed the issues with lifting modern vehicles including electric vehicles. Not only do electric vehicles have substantially more weight to deal with on the side of lifting it. You also have to worry about the sensors that these new vehicles have as well. It’s not going to be as simple as adding a block or a spacer call and is a day anymore. All the sensors are going to have to be recalibrated especially the ones that have autonomous driving. Which means not only will there probably be a disclaimer if there are lifts for these types of vehicles but it also becomes a huge liability for the company needless to say I’m interested to see what happens in the future.
Great info. Thanks. All should be able to be worked around though. Hopefully they offer trucks without the autonomous driving. I dont want to pay for something I dont want and then is a pain in the a$$ when I try to mod it.
unfortunately the way things are headed I don't think many new vehicles going forward aren't going to have the stupid sensors included on them including ICE vehicles.
It seems to do well under Kansas controlled conditions,and it seems to have some definite built in advantages,of course the true tale of woe will be use in all kinds of weather/temps,towing in all various conditions,which now we know is not that great,and alas,,,what about snowplowing,everyone seems to be avoiding that little detail.
Glad you explained the throttle because it appeared a bit touchy off-road. I just wish they offered it in a standard cab long bed. I really have no use for the rear seats.
@@markplott4820 until they actually are building them who cares im intrigued by the cybertruck also but the ford looks like its going to be more practical tesla dragging there feet with the cybertruck to long the lightning is growing on me gota wait till my last payment on my 2020 durango is done in two years then its either the cybertruck or lightning
@@lesstevens2370 - Ford is producing Lightning right now , but dont have a Volume run rate, and are lacking customers , when Ford is still making outdated GAS models. Tesla would still be Profitable even of the Cybertruck does not get Produced. but they are Begining production in 2023. and Tesla has over 1.5+ million Reservations for Cybertruck , and Demand for 3 years just with Current orders.
@@markplott4820 I heard ford is going to use byd blade lfp batteries in its current gen model mach-e and lightning 0-100% without any current drop during charging or damage to cells they are at 300wh/kg cell at the pack level
People need to know how far you go when towing and how long the battery pack will last before you need to replace it and how much to replace the battery pack.
These first gen all electric trucks are not going to work for every situation - in the same way that not every gas powered truck will fill every need. As far as battery life and replacement cost goes, the batteries will last ~10 years and no one knows what the replacement cost will be 10 years from now. If I had to guess, in 10 years there will be significant improvements in batteries and replacements will likely add far greater range and capabilities (with less weight and cost). It took gas powered vehicles 50+ years to get to the point we’re at now, yet with electrics, we’ve progressed further, faster and that will only continue to accelerate just like what we’ve experienced in growth of cell phones over the past 10 years.
Same as a gas ice truck you lose about 40-50% of the rated range when towing. People gotta keep that in mind. For comparison the base pro has less than 3 gallons of gas worth of total onboard energy, the er has about 4 gallons of gas in total energy. Which makes it damn impressive imo they can tow 120-160 miles on that small amount of energy. My f-150 gets 10-12mpg when towing. 😀 Battery pack is covered for 8 year's or 100,000 miles minimum under the federal ev battery warranty requiredin the U.S. Other manufacturers have pack's over a decade in age and some with over 300k miles on them still in service today. There are companies working on battery additives which can directly be added to the electrolite mixture, helping to break up dendrites and restore the pack's to full or near full charge strength. Don't forget any ice loses some efficiency and range as it ages as well. Current pack costs vary widely from manufactuer to manufacturer. Who can say what anything will cost 8-10 year's from today? Something to keep in mind would be how ev battery costs have dropped by over 800% per kwh since 2010 now. 🤔
@@kidamere2408 do you actually own an ev? Or are you waxing poetic here. 🤔 My friends 2020 model y lr has lost 2% so far after 2+year's of ownership and over 25,000 miles driven.
Seen comment that adding bigger tires or suspension doesn’t effect warranty. On trucks in some cases that’s true only if approved by manufacturer. Try getting warranty work done after breaking axel or sucking in water in engine. Dealers will tell you it was misused sorrey not covered. That’s what I’m thinking about electric trucks they will say the motor wasn’t designed to turn that size tire or be put in such a strain all vehicles have limitations
EVs have really revolutionized the automotive industry. I know for a fact that automotive engineers have looooong wanted to eliminate grills, move to all LED lighting, and all digital dashes. Thanks to EVs, that dream is a reality. No longer burdened by what has been. RIP ICE, grills, halogens, and analog gauges.
If you guys get one of these in the future itd be really interesting to see the milage numbers with the stock tires and then with some properly upsized Mud terrains or All Weathers.
Yes mud terrains will effect milage , but yoko Tires are great if you know how to use off roading features, Most Folks DO NOT, they get mud tires and still cant get out! Pro Off Roader Here
Take a 3/4 ton diesel truck four-door long bed and Ford Dodge and Chevy and enter them into a mud bog and see how they do but put mud grip tires on them all the same brand name BF Goodrich mood terrain . Also run them on a dirt track that is challenging and aggressive.
One thing I wish you touched on and maybe I missed it. How much battery was eaten up off road? We saw it with the Jeep 4xE where they claim 9 miles, and then you drove it off road and the battery was drained after about 2 miles. Curious what the lightening's battery efficiency is off road as well.
Anyone else notice how ALL the F150 lightning videos are out within the past day? Its like Ford gave the OK and the floodgates are open! Now if only it can be ordered. :/
For a electric truck the design for the frame is simple and rigid and looks a hell of alot better than gm rivian or any ev I've seen because of a frame you can drop the battery back and work on it easily plus its more protected from the sides
A bit harsh on the score. Wheels and tires are easily upgradable. Ride height will be a bit more challenging. The throttle mapping is just over the air updates with fine tunes.
Great review. Not quite sure how they chose to classify all the EV F150's as a Lightning if I'm understanding correctly. When I think of the Lightning my old school mind thinks 2 wheel drive performance truck.
I'm considering the Bronco or a Gladiator Willys but the gas prices are really going off hand and now I may be between the Lighnior the Sierra EV that looks promising. I will miss the open air the Bronco or the Gladiator offer.
I wonder if lift brackets could be fabricated for separating the motor from the frame a bit paired with coil spring spacers might potentially allow for a 4” lift. Throw some AT/MT 305s or 315s, some off road bumpers, and some nice wheels on it, and it would look great. I know all this affects range, but keep in mind, truck drivers like me have been negatively impacting our fuel ranges for years with a trade off of not getting stuck. In the mall parking lot. 😆
No one yet discusses the service life of the battery pack nor the replacement cost. If I paid $50k+ for a truck, I'd keep it for much longer than the OEM battery is going to last. Still enjoying my 2012 F-150 FX4 I bought new in 2012.
that lightning is like wheeling the power wagon. it's so heavy it stays planted. that is a very interesting truck indeed. i could see having one for around town/around front range driving. but the long trips with my trailer, it's just not there yet.
This is a pretty sad off road course. When I was a kid in West Virginia we had worst roads than this just to get where we lived. It is a nice looking truck
When will the Ford F-150 Lightning Raptor be available? (You know there will be a Raptor version because there is a Raptor version of pretty much everything now.)
Kind of incredible that they had an opportunity to make visibility way better without cameras by taking the hood line down since there's no engine under the hood, but the appearance would have scared off F-150 buyers.
All in all still not sold on the electric movement but definitely cool for the people who enjoy them and will be a good way for them to enter the trucking world lol
Any issues with water wading? Maybe it will be like celphones with water ingress protection but only for a year and after that the seals and adhesives give in and water easily penetrates.
Ford Engineering says its drivetrain components are NOT strong enough for lifting! I had one of our OWN engineers have a look at the frame that was shown at various autoshows and he says all we have to do is replace the motor and drive shaft casings and the wheel mount points with all-Titanium using a high-corrosion resistant, high tensile/shear strength Aerospace-grade of said Titanium. Once I take it apart, I can do a 3D scan and just thicken the drive tubes and motor casings and put on some Fox Shocks 3.1 Active Suspension mount points and we are done and the six inch lift is apple-pie easy! We just cut the wheel wells and add a 1/8th thick 16 inch wide strengthening strip in that area and our 37 inch Nitto EXO Grapplers can easily go in! The truck is already CAPABLE of being lifted in terms of available room BUT the tensile and shear strength of the current wheel and shock mount points are just not there! You need to replace the drive shaft, motor casings and wheel mount points PERIOD! 3rd parties already have designs on the books for the replacements with the added strengthened Fox or Bilstein shock mount points CAD/CAM/FEA'ed into the new designs. Many of those designs are using various 6061 or 8000 series aluminum but you can use stainless steel or like what we do: Aerospace-grade TITANIUM! All Ford has to do is use a different grade of metal or a thicker version of the current shaft, motor case and wheel mount designs. That's a measly four-week job for the CAD/CAM/FEA guys to do! V
My question would be how fast does the battery drain while you’re off roading. It would seem like it would drain relatively quickly and there’s no chargers when you’re offroading. Seems like this vehicle is for the city slicker not an actual truck enthusiast.
Are you sure about that? I would assume the opposite. EV's only use energy when they are working. In other words, if you stop on a rock and let go of the accelerator to think things through, you are using zero energy. On an ice vehicle, you are constantly idling and revving, using a lot of energy even when you are not actually moving. Not to say the lightning is great off roader, that's not what it was designed for, but if they created a raptor type EV and put the time in to really tune it for that, I think it would out do the ice raptor no problem.
Considering the tire and it being a stock truck...it did exactly as I would expect. Maybe even a little better than expected. Good job Ford.
Yes its a beast!
I'm actually impressed with it crawling out of those holes, mud and over the rocks. No, it's not a hard course, but with those tires, I would have expected much more slipping. I wouldn't buy one of these for off-roading, but it would make a great truck for local work, deliveries, etc., then back home for a charge in the evening.
It's not a ZR2 or a Raptor for sure but it'll get you to the camp site. A nice set of BFG KO2s and it would outperform any Subaru on the trail.
That was impressive!
Very impressive! Give credit to the kids in the Congo and other countries for mining minerals to make this awesome truck go.
@@mtang65 what else do they have to do…😏
@@mtang65 Ford gets their batteries from SK Innovations, which sources materials mainly from Glencore of Switzerland, which has a strict no child labor policy. Most of their cobalt does come from Congo, but also Canada and Australia.
what ide love to see is a EV BRONCO!!! Imagine so much of that undercariage being eliminated with a flat underbody. and all that electric torque.
According to the Bronco Owners Manual there will be an EV bronco
Rivian’s next vehicle is rumored to be a Wrangler and Bronco fighter. It’s going to awesome!
I’m waiting for this with solid state batteries!
I'm here for the Lightning content. I think it might be my next truck (still several years down the road) so the more I learn about it, the better.
I see one in my future as well but down the road for sure.
Me too. Maybe next year when the demand cools off with the competition and I can get a salvage one for a good price.
and if you’re several years out expect that range to just get better and better 👍
I bet the Michelin tires that David uses on his trucks will be the best of both worlds. Aggressive enough to do stuff offroad while still being efficient.
The 18s on the pro are the most ideal for me
I lifted the front of my Lightning Pro. Just 2”. It looks so good. I went with 275 70 R18 tires to give it more clearance. I have not noticed much range loss at all.
Finally a real Lightning review! I’m planning on lifting mine if possible, and slightly bigger tires. But no verbal sound effects! Rust, And def looking forward to the quiet driving off the pavement, windows down, just me and the birds and the B&O stereo …oh yeah! But needs rock guard, not steps, for even mild overlanding. Popcan body panels may not rust, but sure need protection!
You will lose range when lifting it and more aggressive tires will also impact range if you care about that otherwise enjoy
So to be clear even the pro base model comes with the ability to lock the rear?
That's my understanding yes
Probably an optional extra, like other trucks. But it definitely should have the ability.
It does.
You could simply put a 2” space block above all four struts to lift a few inches. Maybe longer half shafts and control arms for more lift. I think mods on these electric cars and trucks will soon be like modding your R/C car some day. Motor upgrades, tires, even shell. Imagine, no fuel lines, exhaust or drive train. It’s like when the first cars resembled horse carriages until they adopted change.
Why would you ever need more than 600hp/800tq
@@mattbrew11 why wouldn’t you???
The only issue I could see is the computer freaking out with a larger tire size.
Ford needs to allow the Pro trim with extended range battery to be sold to consumers and not just as fleet vehicles. I'd be all over that.
amen that what i want too but told by sales manager that must order at least 6 units to get it
Maybe if we can get 6 friends who plan on getting one together it’s possible? 🤔
You would be all over an extra $10,000 miles for another 70-80 miles of range?
The lifts are easy for this. Take a look at the 3.5 inch lifts Traxda offers for independent suspension platforms. Plus, 3.5 lift on independent suspension gives immediate ground clearance and body lift, even before larger tires, whereas bof lifts lift the body clearances only until you put larger tires to raise the min clearance (the diff). Remember, your lift on solid axles does not change min clearance, only the tire size does.
In retrospect, I should clarify.
Basic indep. susp. lifts (i.e. spacer lifts on the strut mount with longer sway bar links) will be easy and available in short order (like the Traxda lifts mention in my original comment). Downside to those is the fact that they put strain on the axles/cv joints and pull the tires in due to the angle change on the control arms, reducing tire turn angle and therefore increasing turning radius and making tire rub more common esp with larger tires. However these are super cheap and easy to install in a garage with basic tools.
That said, the more complex lifts for indep susp. with a full replacement of control arms with longer ones and longer axles to avoid these issues from spacer lifts, are already available for the the front suspension of pretty much every truck out there, so the same companies could be expected to produce ones for the rear suspension in fairly short order.
Pros and cons aside, I think that one would be well served with a basic spacer lift of 1-1.5 inches on the Lightning (keeping the strain on the cv joints and other issues essentially minimal), coupled with a 2" larger than stock diameter tire. This would result in 2-2.5" of lift to the minimum ground clearance, which as discussed above is both body clearance and min clearance on a indep susp vehicle. To get the equivalent min clearance lift on a solid rear axle F150, you would need to have tires 4-5 inches larger in diameter to lift the diff clearance by the 2-2.5" and whatever size of suspension lift needed to gain clearance for tires that much larger than stock (plus the same large lift on the front ind suspension, with the downsides already mentioned above).
Then take a turn and flip over 🤭
Would be interesting to see how quickly a lift and oversized mud terrains will kill off your range.
Good comment. Mud terrains or at the least hybrid terrains will frequently be added, in addition to at least leveling kit style lifts. It all comes back to range range range with these EVs, in addition to refuel time and cost of battery replacement. There are very specific applications where they make a ton of sense, but these trucks are a LONG way from legitimately replacing a gas or diesel truck.
I would suspect as big as they do gas trucks. My RAM Rebel has 33" Duratracs which are actually hybrid (MT & AT) and they sap a ton of mpg. Regular RAMs with street tires will get about 17-18 mpg real world, Rebels with their stock 33" get about 13 mpg real world.
Maybe BF Goodrich KO2s for range and ability, but I am eager to see this (or any electric truck) on BF Goodrich KM3s!
That would void your warranty. I gurantee that motor will burn up quickly rotating a heavier wheel.
@@JohnnyLightningV10 I doubt that, people do it all the time with gas/diesel trucks, bigger wheels and tires that don't effect the warranty. Even Rivian offers their truck with street and off-road tire packages.
Looks like the Rivian is going to be the off roading truck of choice with its ability to increase ground clearance from the factory. When the Cybertruck comes out it won’t be as small and nimble but no scratches or dents and an incredible approach angle is going to make it a beast. It will also be the lightest EV truck.
We LOVE our Lightning. It took us a bit of time to change our gas comfort mentality. The truck is great
Lifting it shouldn’t be an issue with the irs, most off road vehicles with exception of the wrangler/gladiator have ifs and they have lifts for just about everything. Great video TFL!!!
Will we be looking at less tire life on all of these truck and SUV EVs due to the extra weight vs. lighter ICE vehicles?
Yes, teslas eat through tires every 20k miles.
@@thomas735 all that torque off the line doesn’t help either
These weigh pretty much the same as the steel bodied F150s. They weigh less then 3/4 ton Fords. The Hummer EV is closer to 10k pounds so that will probably go through tires quicker.
I know my question seems like it should have an obvious answer but I wonder if EV users dont anticipate the extra tire cost sooner than expected.
@@bobdennis4801 good point!
Ran out of juice on the trail, just go grab a couple gallons of electricity and you will get back on the road in no time. LOL 😂
I love the lightning so far even with the kind of offroading I saw which is probably all I need with a truck!
Exactly. If you want more off-road buy a bronco.
I think if you're not towing it's a great option. Gotta get the tow range up (or I have to get rid of my trailer) before I'd consider it.
Well with current gas prices towing a trailer any where past 300km cost 280$ + in gas i would rather spend the extra houre to charge the lightning for 8 to 10$ in canada DC fast chargers cost 21 cents a minute and they claim the lightning can charge from 15% to 80% 45 minutes 10 dollars to charge opens more possibilities for traveling but if you have deep pockets and spending 1000 $ to drag your travel trailer to spend another 300 for park fees for a week end getaway just to save 3 hours.. fly at it
@@lesstevens2370 agreed, entirely depends what your time is worth. For me, I’d gladly spend the $280 to not have to spend 4 hours charging for a weekend, but I can totally see why the math wouldn’t work for some people.
They could fix the throttle mapping with something like Crawl Control. For normal driving the accelerator pedal sets the torque applied to the wheels. For off roading you want to control the wheel speed because you might need to go from almost full torque to get over an obstacle to zero the moment you're on top of it.
Or in other words what they need is a different mode for controlling the motors. I have a cordless drill with a brushless motor. If I pull the trigger lightly so it's spinning slowly, it's not using much power if it's just free spinning. But if I try to stall it, the electronics will immediately ramp up the torque to try to maintain the speed. It's hard to stall even at a low speed. Older drills without electronic controls work more like the Lightning. The only way to get full torque is to squeeze the trigger all the way, but then if it breaks loose it spins up to full speed.
Maybe it’ll be a downloadable feature in the future
Yooo that blue looks sick on the lightning, definitely matches the theme of the truck. This is really impressive Ford
With the weight, the tires would be less important...
Also 99.95% of lightnings will never get that dirty
I am a f150 ecoboost owner and we tow a 8300lb RV. I'd love to try a a Lightning. We don't go very far most trips. But it might be 95 % of every thing I could use daily.
Very nice I would like to see review one of $40k very intrigued
“360 of the front” 😂 You crack me up
Roman actually said that tire was a mild off road tire with a straight face lol. Talented actor right there!
What I want to know is can you lift it, drop it, or other aftermarket mods
In case of lifting, I bet you could get some strut spacers in there, maybe a subframe drop or body lift could be possible
For mild 2 inch lift, I can see that being easily doable. But for 4 to 6 inch, probably means replacing control arms and cv shafts with longer ones.
@@joshnc101 yeah, I agree
That front air dam and those running boards have got to go!! Maybe make an option for a ACTUAL OFF ROAD VERSION. Include the bits from the Tremor, just on the Lightning. Better approach angle up front locking dip in the rear with available Torsen upfront, and for Ford sake, 18 inch wheels with some decent Rubber.
Would love to see some nice off road wheels and tires on that thing.
And I do not like off road wheels and tires because it is okay.
yeah and im curious how much some nice offroad tires and wheels will kill mileage seeing how these things have aero wheels and other stuff to just help with milage. a more aggressive tire is gonna pull that number down
@@carculturenation2166 go off roading with it,and the range drops drastically. too bad you can't plug it in an oak tree.
I was so curious about the level of off road abilities. No doubt the power is there, but can the truck handle off road? Can it handle getting a little air? How much air. I know it's not a Raptor, but just how much can it take with that weight? I'm liking it so far. I'm glad it had the tires it might come with. I was really concerned with modulation and it sounds good enough.
I’ve seen vids on towing and all but I’ve yet to see anything that covers how you charge while hooked up. Most charge stations I’ve seen are set up like normal parking spaces so if you don’t unhook, you’ll be sitting there with your trailer blocking the parking lot which will make a long distance road trip a real pain in the ass.
I was skeptical with those tires, but it barely blinked
Pretty cool Golf Cart.
Pretty much sums it up lol
I think an easy fix to the throttle mapping and lack of 2 speed transfer case is to have multiple throttle maps selectable inside of offroad mode, you could map like 0-10% throttle over the entire pedal rangle to simulate ultra low range, then maybe a 0-25% for low range, 0-50% for normal, 0-75% for medium speed, 0-100% for high speed. The torque of the electric motor should get you out of anything in 0-10% mode, because the electric motor has the most torque at the lowest rpm, so being able to fine control it at such a low throttle input would make low speed rock crawling far more enjoyable.
Quite impressive really with those road tires. Looking forward to driving a Lightning in the near term and may even buy one in 23 or 24. Well done Ford
That thing seems to do realy well for those tires. Very impressed
I think ford killed it with this. Its not super flashy going down the road. A lot of people dont want to drive a cyber truck down the road screaming look at me! Lol
I like how this is the most "technology packed" truck and it still has a radio antenna from the 90s.
I was told y that is but I forgot lol
I wish it had more ground clearance as it looks like everything hangs down. Other then that it seems to do quite well
I’m ready for the next gen with hopefully solid state batteries!
Most pickup trucks are parked in people's driveways at their homes because they don't fit in typical garages. How will I charge the truck, what if it's raining? Truck's nice but no one talks about the charging issues/location's!!
Its good for around town with light loads but pulling trailers not. I will stay with my 2021 hybrid Ford 150 with its good mileage of 24 city a 22-23 hiway as the front has been lifted and a large protection grill on the front. I do get this mileage. I dont want to sit at a charging station every 250 miles either. I
Yep throttle mapping is key for any car but especially electric cars because they have no excuse not to get it right… Smooth predictable response from the accelerator and brake and in combination with regeneration to allow highly sensitive and gentle inputs
I don’t foresee too much issue lifting these, at least not a problem with a few inches. Ram 1500 has had full independent suspension for several years now, they get lifted often without too high a cost. I guess with EV there might be some cables/connections that limit how far away the body/chassis can be from the wheels?
Granted, but this new ford doesn’t have a solid rear axle like the Ram does. Should be interesting to see how manufacturers will compensate.
Ram doesn't have IRS; just coil springs
@@jamesengland7461 Ya I messed up my thoughts on that one, there is a solid rear back there… Not sure why I pictured IRS on the rear.
Nice but with that big of a battery, it should be able to have a charge peak of 250 kW instead of 150 kW. Must have cheaped out on the power electronics? Hopefully they will increase it as they get experience.
NOPE, Fud motors does everything CHEAP.
I actually just went to a class that discussed the issues with lifting modern vehicles including electric vehicles. Not only do electric vehicles have substantially more weight to deal with on the side of lifting it. You also have to worry about the sensors that these new vehicles have as well. It’s not going to be as simple as adding a block or a spacer call and is a day anymore. All the sensors are going to have to be recalibrated especially the ones that have autonomous driving. Which means not only will there probably be a disclaimer if there are lifts for these types of vehicles but it also becomes a huge liability for the company needless to say I’m interested to see what happens in the future.
Great info. Thanks. All should be able to be worked around though. Hopefully they offer trucks without the autonomous driving. I dont want to pay for something I dont want and then is a pain in the a$$ when I try to mod it.
unfortunately the way things are headed I don't think many new vehicles going forward aren't going to have the stupid sensors included on them including ICE vehicles.
@@Somebody294 agreed. That’s why I’ll probably be keeping my Gladiator for a long time.
nah just unplug all the driving nannies, dont need em, just makes driving less fun if you cant do burnouts or drift
It seems to do well under Kansas controlled conditions,and it seems to have some definite built in advantages,of course the true tale of woe will be use in all kinds of weather/temps,towing in all various conditions,which now we know is not that great,and alas,,,what about snowplowing,everyone seems to be avoiding that little detail.
Hope for more cool sound effects while you drive off-road F-150!
It seems like portal axle kits of some type would be a great way to lift it.
I likes those Yokohama Dynopro K02 Mud kings on that blue Ram Silverado 250 Thunder.
Always fun to go mudding when someone else will be doing the washing.
Glad you explained the throttle because it appeared a bit touchy off-road. I just wish they offered it in a standard cab long bed. I really have no use for the rear seats.
Awesome video Roman! I was skeptical with these electric trucks at first but Ford and Rivian seem to have put out great products, keep it up TFL team!
go watch the Tesla Cybertruck videos.
@@markplott4820 until they actually are building them who cares im intrigued by the cybertruck also but the ford looks like its going to be more practical tesla dragging there feet with the cybertruck to long the lightning is growing on me gota wait till my last payment on my 2020 durango is done in two years then its either the cybertruck or lightning
@@lesstevens2370 - Ford is producing Lightning right now , but dont have a Volume run rate, and are lacking customers , when Ford is still making outdated GAS models.
Tesla would still be Profitable even of the Cybertruck does not get Produced.
but they are Begining production in 2023.
and Tesla has over 1.5+ million Reservations for Cybertruck , and Demand for 3 years just with Current orders.
@@markplott4820 I heard ford is going to use byd blade lfp batteries in its current gen model mach-e and lightning 0-100% without any current drop during charging or damage to cells they are at 300wh/kg cell at the pack level
@@lesstevens2370 we shall see. FORD & gm miscalculated how many cells it needs, and does not have any cell factory 🏭.
People need to know how far you go when towing and how long the battery pack will last before you need to replace it and how much to replace the battery pack.
These first gen all electric trucks are not going to work for every situation - in the same way that not every gas powered truck will fill every need. As far as battery life and replacement cost goes, the batteries will last ~10 years and no one knows what the replacement cost will be 10 years from now. If I had to guess, in 10 years there will be significant improvements in batteries and replacements will likely add far greater range and capabilities (with less weight and cost). It took gas powered vehicles 50+ years to get to the point we’re at now, yet with electrics, we’ve progressed further, faster and that will only continue to accelerate just like what we’ve experienced in growth of cell phones over the past 10 years.
Not far enough
Not long enough
Sooner than you think
And waaaaayyyyy more than rebuilding an ICE
Same as a gas ice truck you lose about 40-50% of the rated range when towing. People gotta keep that in mind.
For comparison the base pro has less than 3 gallons of gas worth of total onboard energy, the er has about 4 gallons of gas in total energy.
Which makes it damn impressive imo they can tow 120-160 miles on that small amount of energy. My f-150 gets 10-12mpg when towing. 😀
Battery pack is covered for 8 year's or 100,000 miles minimum under the federal ev battery warranty requiredin the U.S.
Other manufacturers have pack's over a decade in age and some with over 300k miles on them still in service today.
There are companies working on battery additives which can directly be added to the electrolite mixture, helping to break up dendrites and restore the pack's to full or near full charge strength. Don't forget any ice loses some efficiency and range as it ages as well.
Current pack costs vary widely from manufactuer to manufacturer. Who can say what anything will cost 8-10 year's from today?
Something to keep in mind would be how ev battery costs have dropped by over 800% per kwh since 2010 now. 🤔
@@4literv6 eh ice vehicles lose about 2-4 percent over its entire life compared to 2-3 percent EVERY year of the EV
@@kidamere2408 do you actually own an ev? Or are you waxing poetic here. 🤔
My friends 2020 model y lr has lost 2% so far after 2+year's of ownership and over 25,000 miles driven.
Love the sound effects
Seen comment that adding bigger tires or suspension doesn’t effect warranty. On trucks in some cases that’s true only if approved by manufacturer. Try getting warranty work done after breaking axel or sucking in water in engine. Dealers will tell you it was misused sorrey not covered. That’s what I’m thinking about electric trucks they will say the motor wasn’t designed to turn that size tire or be put in such a strain all vehicles have limitations
Good call. I always add my own sound effects when driving an EV.
EVs have really revolutionized the automotive industry. I know for a fact that automotive engineers have looooong wanted to eliminate grills, move to all LED lighting, and all digital dashes. Thanks to EVs, that dream is a reality. No longer burdened by what has been. RIP ICE, grills, halogens, and analog gauges.
If you guys get one of these in the future itd be really interesting to see the milage numbers with the stock tires and then with some properly upsized Mud terrains or All Weathers.
Yes mud terrains will effect milage , but yoko Tires are great if you know how to use off roading features, Most Folks DO NOT, they get mud tires and still cant get out! Pro Off Roader Here
Love the NeatureWalk music.
“You can tell that this F150 is electric cause it is…” 🤣
I was waiting for a video of it actually being tested thank you guys and gals 👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸
Looks like the front deploying air dam has been compromised lol. This is a nice truck. Interesting to see how it sells vs ice f150
Some Duratracs and that thing would do very well. If I bought that here in CO, I would have 2 sets of tires and rims for it.
Take a 3/4 ton diesel truck four-door long bed and Ford Dodge and Chevy and enter them into a mud bog and see how they do but put mud grip tires on them all the same brand name BF Goodrich mood terrain . Also run them on a dirt track that is challenging and aggressive.
On Ford's website all of the lightning models have dual motors so I'm guessing that 4 wheel drive is standard across all trim levels.
Those sound effects made me feel like I was off-roading in a mechanics shop 🤣
One thing I wish you touched on and maybe I missed it. How much battery was eaten up off road? We saw it with the Jeep 4xE where they claim 9 miles, and then you drove it off road and the battery was drained after about 2 miles. Curious what the lightening's battery efficiency is off road as well.
Anyone else notice how ALL the F150 lightning videos are out within the past day? Its like Ford gave the OK and the floodgates are open! Now if only it can be ordered. :/
For a electric truck the design for the frame is simple and rigid and looks a hell of alot better than gm rivian or any ev I've seen because of a frame you can drop the battery back and work on it easily plus its more protected from the sides
FUD motors uses a 100 year old OUTDATED body on frame.
its SLOW and too HEAVY.
I cant understand why the payload SUCKS!! How can you use this for work??
I’d really like to know how customizable the suspension and tire set up is going to be on the lightning
Active suspension is not Standard and Requires an Upgrade.
A bit harsh on the score. Wheels and tires are easily upgradable. Ride height will be a bit more challenging. The throttle mapping is just over the air updates with fine tunes.
Great review. Not quite sure how they chose to classify all the EV F150's as a Lightning if I'm understanding correctly. When I think of the Lightning my old school mind thinks 2 wheel drive performance truck.
Nothin wrong with gettin out in nature!
I'm considering the Bronco or a Gladiator Willys but the gas prices are really going off hand and now I may be between the Lighnior the Sierra EV that looks promising. I will miss the open air the Bronco or the Gladiator offer.
Loving the courses on your new property, great video as usual!
This isn't the truck for everyone. It's not even the F150 for everyone. But then Ford has a bazillion other options to choose from.
I wonder if lift brackets could be fabricated for separating the motor from the frame a bit paired with coil spring spacers might potentially allow for a 4” lift. Throw some AT/MT 305s or 315s, some off road bumpers, and some nice wheels on it, and it would look great. I know all this affects range, but keep in mind, truck drivers like me have been negatively impacting our fuel ranges for years with a trade off of not getting stuck. In the mall parking lot. 😆
If thats what youre into wait for the 25 model year eRaptor
No one yet discusses the service life of the battery pack nor the replacement cost. If I paid $50k+ for a truck, I'd keep it for much longer than the OEM battery is going to last. Still enjoying my 2012 F-150 FX4 I bought new in 2012.
What model was this truck. Xlt?
Yup XLT
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, can it accept a winch?
320 miles for a size of a truck that large is pretty impressive
The truck needs a set of Nokian Outpost AT’s on it. Those Hankooks are highway tires.
Looks like it would be a great mall crawler or road truck
that lightning is like wheeling the power wagon. it's so heavy it stays planted. that is a very interesting truck indeed. i could see having one for around town/around front range driving. but the long trips with my trailer, it's just not there yet.
its too HEAVY , as Range is reduced, and has CRAP Efficiency.
Can't wait to see F150 platinum vs Rivian R1T videos
"Fords" offroad course looks like a like a unpaved road in PA. Lol I want to see it on a actual test. 😂
I've seen paved roads in PA that are more difficult than Fords off road track 😂
Did you guys see that toddler on a big wheel cruise by them? Lol
Ok? they didn’t claim the truck was a Raptor or meant for off-roading
It would be nice to see a lightning "tremor" trim
Roman says Ciao, and Andre says Da Svidanya :)
Thank you for a great video. If this was a Toyota, you'd give it an 8. Poor Ford lol
Remember this is NOT a 4WD but an AWD where it's not as ready for offroad, but the locker should help.
Hi Roman. I envy you that you've been driving the Lightning. It looks to be very funny.
This is a pretty sad off road course. When I was a kid in West Virginia we had worst roads than this just to get where we lived. It is a nice looking truck
Roman whatever weed you smoked that day…Hell Ya man that was a fun ride wit ya hahahaha
When will the Ford F-150 Lightning Raptor be available? (You know there will be a Raptor version because there is a Raptor version of pretty much everything now.)
Kind of incredible that they had an opportunity to make visibility way better without cameras by taking the hood line down since there's no engine under the hood, but the appearance would have scared off F-150 buyers.
All in all still not sold on the electric movement but definitely cool for the people who enjoy them and will be a good way for them to enter the trucking world lol
Any issues with water wading? Maybe it will be like celphones with water ingress protection but only for a year and after that the seals and adhesives give in and water easily penetrates.
Ford Engineering says its drivetrain components are NOT strong enough for lifting! I had one of our OWN engineers have a look at the frame that was shown at various autoshows and he says all we have to do is replace the motor and drive shaft casings and the wheel mount points with all-Titanium using a high-corrosion resistant, high tensile/shear strength Aerospace-grade of said Titanium.
Once I take it apart, I can do a 3D scan and just thicken the drive tubes and motor casings and put on some Fox Shocks 3.1 Active Suspension mount points and we are done and the six inch lift is apple-pie easy! We just cut the wheel wells and add a 1/8th thick 16 inch wide strengthening strip in that area and our 37 inch Nitto EXO Grapplers can easily go in! The truck is already CAPABLE of being lifted in terms of available room BUT the tensile and shear strength of the current wheel and shock mount points are just not there!
You need to replace the drive shaft, motor casings and wheel mount points PERIOD! 3rd parties already have designs on the books for the replacements with the added strengthened Fox or Bilstein shock mount points CAD/CAM/FEA'ed into the new designs. Many of those designs are using various 6061 or 8000 series aluminum but you can use stainless steel or like what we do: Aerospace-grade TITANIUM!
All Ford has to do is use a different grade of metal or a thicker version of the current shaft, motor case and wheel mount designs. That's a measly four-week job for the CAD/CAM/FEA guys to do!
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Sounds like the F150 lighting pedestrian noise at low speed isn’t as terrible loud as others. Did they reduce it in off-road mode?
My question would be how fast does the battery drain while you’re off roading. It would seem like it would drain relatively quickly and there’s no chargers when you’re offroading. Seems like this vehicle is for the city slicker not an actual truck enthusiast.
EV’s apparently shine in stop and go style traffic compared to gas engines. Throw a portable generator in the bed and you’re fine.
Are you sure about that? I would assume the opposite. EV's only use energy when they are working. In other words, if you stop on a rock and let go of the accelerator to think things through, you are using zero energy. On an ice vehicle, you are constantly idling and revving, using a lot of energy even when you are not actually moving. Not to say the lightning is great off roader, that's not what it was designed for, but if they created a raptor type EV and put the time in to really tune it for that, I think it would out do the ice raptor no problem.