"still-active" With the crew in the water and an armed boarding party led by the commander on board...? Hardly... Remember what happened to HMAS Sydney... if there was no evidence everyone would have said it was totally unrealistic and could never happen - but it happened... it says something about not being so sure about what is realistic or not.
@@Djeseret The Sydney was a very different situation since the Kormoran fires torpedoes from the side but a sub cannot. The Kormoran was always in a good position to ambush, but the closer it could get, the better. Whereas this submarine surfaces on a parallel angle and slowly drifts around (somehow) into a firing position right under their noses, and they do not react? This is not realistic.
Since when has a British ship ever gone to "battle stations"? I stand ready to be corrected, but my father was in the R.N. and he always went to "action stations".
In 1942 Captain Werner Haretnstein torpedoed the converted cruise liner RMS Laconia. It was a legitimate target as it was being used as a troop ship and was armed with a lot of 6" guns. Hatenstein realised when he went in to try and capture officers from the survivors that it was full of British civilians and well over a thousand Italian POWs as well as soliders and airmen. He pulled all the survivors he could on deck and rigged tow lines to the life boats that were well and truly overloaded and then broke radio silence and put a call out in English with his position and heading requesting neutrality under a red cross to hand off the survivors to any allied or enemy in the area that could take them. The US dispatched a B24 from Ascencion Island and when it came he radioed them the situation and had a large red cross flag draped on his deck gun clearly visible. The pilot saw this and started circling overhead. He radioed Ascencion and was told to sink it regardless. The B24 lined up and dropped 2 bombs which missed the U-156 but blew two life boats out of the water killing most in them. Hartenstein's crew cut away the life rafts and told the survivors on deck to get in the water and the dived. The B24 came around again and dropped bombs and depth charges. one of which exploded under U-156 though it didn't sink. The B24 mistook the dive for it being sunk and left. In the rush they'd dived with the women and children still in the uboat so after a while surfaced and took the live boats under tow again. They met up with 2 more uboats and an Italian sub and handed off many survivors to the other boats and they all sailed and met a Vicy French cruiser which took them all on. A few life boats were separated in the dive or some other time and they drifted for 2 weeks before landing on the coast of Liberia in West Africa. When Hitler found out he was livid and made Admiral Donitz issue the Laconia order which forbade rescuing any survivors except for capturing officers and engineers that could provide intelligence. Basically if this was post 1942 which I'd say it is meant to be they would not take on any survivors except for the officers. Interestingly when Donitz was being tried in the Nuremberg trail the Laconia order came up and to the embarrassment of the US he explained the circumstances in which it was issued. Basically no way a uboat commander would have made a deal to take on all the survivors.
Admiral Nimitz was part of his defense. He explained that U.S. submariners had the same orders and it would be unjust to prosecute him under those orders. His death sentence was changed to prison. He survived.
We did way more heinous shit than the Nazi's did during the war. Ever see the documentary Hellstorm? If not, google it (along with the term documentary or you'll just get death metal albums) and find a copy - it's hard to find because it doesn't portray us as glorious victors so you'll have to look away from mainstream sites and find copies on more free platforms than UA-cam.
no, no, no, the most unrealistic thing here is that the sub crew didn't scuttle the sub. The Germans didn't want the Allies to get either the Enigma machine or the codes that were on the sub.
This scenario is entirely unrealistic. Five tons of cargo (gold) is not a heavy lift for WWII German submarines. A single torpedo (Type G7a) weighs 1.8 tons, and the primary ocean going WWII German submarine (Type 7) carried 14 of them -- some 25 tons of torpedoes. Any fuel consumption would also offset the weight of the gold. And you'd better believe those submariners would lash that gold down securely.
great detail. w/ torps and tonage ---- I agree , the gold would not be just sitting there like my dirty laundry. I don't know how the brits and americans ever got rid of those wolf packs
A few here have pointed out some mistakes, just wrote this in an answer thread. Another glaring mistake is the U Boat being caught on the surface during daylight in clear skies in a hostile area. My grandfather, a British WWII sub veteran told many stories about his experiences and he made it clear the lengths they went to to stay undetected in hostile waters and he said they only surfaced when it was 100% safe to do so and the restricted visibility behind that island would be a big no no to be on the surface. His boat towed one of the X Craft that attacked the Japanese cruiser Takao in Singapore Harbour on 31 July 1945 as part of Operation Struggle. "Their" X Craft had been given the Myoko as a target but due to concerns over the tides had switched to attack the closer Takao.
Depends on which year it is. This is the beginning of the war you both were definitely chilling on the surface much more often. If this is 1943 or later then you’re totally right.
@@StewDaJew Even at the start they would have been paranoid about being caught on the surface. Not only were they vulnerable to the enemy they were also vulnerable to (not so) friendly fire. The British had to institute a box grid system of "no fire zones" where aircraft were told not to attack subs on the surface because they were sinking British boats that were transiting to their patrol zones.
@@ATtravel666 yes but at the early stages of the war, when Allied planes had much less range, in the middle of the Atlantic the Germans would sit on the surface if they weren’t patrolling or in battle
I noticed that when the U-Boat surfaced and the RN sailors were boarding her, her outside was perfectly dry. The entire boat should have been wet, and shedding water.
At one point in the film, the submarine is motionless, being abandoned, side by side with the destroyer. The next moment, it instantly changes position and launches a torpedo with its bow pointed at the other ship. With no reaction by enemy! This makes it hard to take this film seriously...
...not to mention the Nazi crew suddenly appears on the deck of the sub to overpower the English landing party without a shot fired. In the next scene Germany miraculously wins the war...
@@DodAederen And moreover he would never, never let his ship just stand in the watters like sitting duck. The movement is one of the keys in combat therefore this scene is so badly written in so many ways as its outcome is as bad as the screen-wrotes's perception of the war is.
They do mention that for some reason, the boat drifts to starboard when on the surface and the British do notice it around the time the Germans start singing. Plus it's implied a decent period of time elapsed between them surfacing and the boat drifting around. It's still not great on other points but on the ones you mention, at least they acknowledge them.
Apparently this is a selection from the recent SERIES "Das Boot" which is high in drama but not comparable to the gritty realism of the ORIGINAL mini-series/ movie.
The one truly glaring mistake in this film is seen at the 7:07 mark. The ship is armed with "Hedgehog-Mortars" as was the US Navy. These water bombs developed by the British were the preferred weapon of use against all Submarines. They fired in a pattern ahead of the ship that the sub would be unable to evade if used properly. The fatal problem with depth charges was that in order to use them one needed to pass over the area of the sub. Sub commanders learned this early on and would hold course until the ship was almost on top of them then veer away. causing far more misses than not. The Hedgehog was a contact exploder, so one knew if they hit, or missed. The USS England, a US Destroyer Escort sank 6 Japanese subs in just 12-days using them. Much to the annoyance of others Captain in the hunting group.
Good observation! Though one of MANY glaring mistakes. In fact, the destroyer in this silly show has had her "A" mount replaced by a hedgehog - but she still has her "Y" mount! NEVER happened during the war. Older destroyers would always, ALWAYS lose their "Y" mount first for extra depth charges and then, when hedgehog came out often lose their "A" mount for it. Additionally, from the rake of the stem, this was a mid to late war destroyer. They never lost any mounts for anti-submarine alterations and were all kept in their full fleet destroyer configuration. From the Tribal class onwards. Yet another ludicrous mistake from an utterly shitty show.
Additional benefit of hedgehog: they would only detonate if they made contact with the submarine. Depth charges always exploded causing a loss of sonar acquisition. If hedgehog missed, sonar was still in contact and they could try again.
@@331SVTCobra Yes, you're quite right. Not to mention that depth charges always exploded, whether or not they hit the U-boat. An explosion with a hedgehog meant you got the bugger.
What a load of utter mince - so may errors it's difficult where to start. The minute the U-Boat was detected the Captain would have taken command from the bridge and conducted the operation from there - having immediately ordered action stations and hoisting battle ensigns. He's also wearing totally unsuitable uniform for the area - the climate around the Canary Islands is way too hot for the heavy clothing he has on. The destroyer (?) was equipped with a hedgehog - that surely would have been deployed in the attack. The instant the submarine surfaced he would have ordered all guns to open fire - and would not have stopped until a white flag appeared, or the U-Boat sank. As for him boarding the enemy submarine - total fantasy - that's a job for a junior officer. Then there's code books and enigma machine lying around - they would have been ditched overboard as a priority. This tripe makes even the plot for U-571 look plausible !!!
Always thought that in WW2 Kriegsmarine der Kaleun wore the white cap and every other officer black ones. However herein looks like the "L.I." happens to command the boat 🤔
Right on. Typically and quite predictably, the Germans are portrayed as ruthless and arrogant. But in this depiction, the British Captain is undone by his own arrogance and hubris. It's an engaging flip of the script, despite the technical inaccuracies.
Our cadet instructor claimed that in one hut during his time in ww2 someone slammed The door sndts whole rack if stens forests burst through the roof ( I can't imagine they would all be cocked and on auto though!)😮
This is I think a Type VII, possibly C or D. Max depth guaranteed to barely hold (but not safe depth) is 260m, not 250. But it's really risky. Though many captains did dive to 260 or a bit below, some did hit 300m, and the boats would still hold, though barely. And even so, at that depth there is so much weight and pressure that rising up will(would) become a difficulty. This happened with the U-96, got stuck at 280m, well below maximum depth, and though it did spring many leaks, there were fixed, and overall the u-boat held against the massive pressure of the ocean. This is proof of the truly superb German engineering.
The entire plan at the end depends on the person in-charge of the British surface warship officers NOT knowing they're in danger. Since it shows that this person did in-fact know they were in danger, the whole things makes no sense. They don't have to shoot the submarine while the captain is on-board, they merely had to reverse a little bit.
Destroyers are truely the unsung heros of the navy, then and now. Carriers get all the press, and subs have all the mystery. Destroyers are the backbone of the navy. Change my mind
The vast numbers of destroyers saved Britain both during the Battle of Britain in 1940 and the rest of the war. Not the Royal Air Force. The British Empire built 335 destroyers during WWII, Nazi Germany only 17. Japan had 209 destroyers in total. Fascist Italy only 6. When the war broke out in 1939 the Royal Navy already had 184 destroyers with 52 more under construction. Another 50 was then received via Lend-Lease from the USA. Nazi Germany lost 10 destroyers alone during the invasion of Norway in 1940 and that went generally well (for Nazi Germany) and fighting stopped within 2 months. So it's not like this was a "small loss" from a percentage point of view. Churchill praised the RAF for saving Britain but in reality Operation Sea Lion would have failed even with the RAF knocked out or forced to operate from distant bases beyond the range of German bombers. First all of Nazi Germany lacked landing craft. The divisions can't swim across the channel can they? Also what they *did* have and planned on using primarily were hastily converted river barges from the rivers of occupied Europe. Slow river barges across the treacherous seas of the channel? Bad idea. The weather turns bad and it founders most of the barges with the defenders doing nothing. However suppose the barges somehow made it across, German admiral Raeder concluded that they needed at least 30 divisions to ensure a successful invasion but they only had the naval capability to land 9 divisions... (provided the weather is ideal and they're not discovered by patrolling destroyers, torpedo boats and subs). Suppose the RAF was "knocked out". The Royal Navy still has several times more destroyers all around the British isles, how exactly is the Kriegsmarine going to pull this off with their 10-12 intact destroyers? Once the word of invasion gets out the British destroyers not already in the area are there soon. But what about the Luftwaffe? Can they attack destroyers and other surface ships at will with not RAF? No, not quite. For it was already revealed that the high-altitude bombers couldn't hit them very well since they were moving at high speed (and hitting a stationary target in broad daylight was difficult enough during WWII) and zig-zagged once they knew bombers (or subs) were spotted. Attack aircraft like the Ju87 Stuka had to get close to the destroyers making them within range for the anti-aircraft battery. And yes, captains soon learned how to dodge their dropped bombs too by last seconds evasive maneuvers. A 1974 wargame concluded that even with RAF knocked out there's no way Nazi Germany can sustain a naval invasion because they simply lack the capabilities to do so. Even in favorable conditions (which was granted to them in this wargame). And the large number of destroyers around the British isles, the Mediterranean (neither Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy could ever ship large number of troops and equipment to North Africa), the Atlantic (which saved Britain from being subdued by the submarines) and even in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific to battle the Imperial Japanese Navy (far more powerful than the Kriegsmarine) was the reason for that. I reckon the destroyers of the U.S. Navy played a pivotal part both in WWII and later conflicts. Workhorses win wars. Yet no songs are written about them.
Childishly insulting to all concerned. The war was a long time ago and is now reduced to a video game and the scary thing is that so many people can't tell the difference.
People that have functioning brains are still around . It's just the little flaming gamers that can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. You'll probably out last them . I begining to get a kick out of watching them get pissed off .
@@hybridwolf66 Right - someone below mentioned that these depth charges seem to be able to fall at 150 feet per second. That's 100 mph. They must be supercavitating depth charges.
I commented the exact same thing. They set them for 450 feet and at the very next scene, the U-boat crew say they're at 210 meters. At 70 meters, a depth charge wouldn't damage the boat much, if at all.
Very silly, if you have ever seen old film of actual surfacing of a Uboat they are getting shot up even as they jump from the boat. The other is what captain leaves his ship, he would send another officer. During the last stages of the war a Uboat crew had very little chance of surviving.
I can tell this a movie not to be taken seriously, but the *second* that torpedo launced, I'd immediately turn in a war criminal and mow down everyone, given that they shot first before I would.
But you wouldn't be a war criminal. The Germans had committed perfidy (ie pretending to surrender then continuing hostile action - the original meaning of the word). That means that under the laws of war, dating back to medieval times, their lives are instantly forfeit.
Most WW2 depth charges sank at only 10- 12 feet per second. Mid 1943 the new American Mk 9's sank at about 20 feet per second reducing some of the dead time.
7:46 I love how they built a mock up of a Type VIIc and nobody said "hey now, the dimensions of the conning tower, the light gray paint instead of Schlickgrau 58 and the way it sits in the water is completely wrong ah, screw it- nobody's gonna watch anyway."
I don't know where did they get this from, but once you spotted a U-boat on the surface, all your guns would have been blasting the sh*t out of it, until it would have become a WRECK. Nobody would stand on a destroyer or fregate deck just staring at it - even if the crew (or PART OF IT) seemed to abandon it. The risk of getting a torpedo up your own, was too high - that was (among others) one of the reasons the casualties among German submariners were so high (70%). U-boat crews, as well as submariners in general. do not just "surrender", even if by some miracle they have a chance to do it. They either escape into the below, or kill their hunter (which was even more dangerous - ASW ships do not work alone and they often have air-cover) ...OR they go down fighting for their lives.
That's exactly what I thought too - this is not believable at all. The moment that sub popped the surface, EVERYTHING on that destroyer that could fire and had the range would have been blasting at it until there was no sub no more. There wouldn't have been any kind of lull where the sub crew could just peacefully rig ropes overboard and abandon ship. The first thing any sub would do in this situation after surfacing would have been to send sailors to man the deck gun and start fighting back, so the first assumption on the destroyer's part would have been that any man out of the conning tower would have been on their way to do just that, and their first priority would have been to prevent it at any cost.
@@SentinelIXKWatch the show. I’m American and a red blooded one too and have fell in love with the show. I’m a history nut and I approve, the premises the fiction works on were all ideas that were never implemented etc so some of its plausible which makes it watchable. The submarine suspense is great, the visuals are awesome, it’s just not steaming anywhere here and it’s annoying having to sail the high seas to watch it.
Actually it kind of depends - most of the time this would totally have been the case. Sometimes however captains would try to get close in hope of getting the Enigma codes, or other pieces of military intelligence if it seemed the U Boat was hit, being abandoned and not immediately sinking. Still, such situations were rare and in most cases surfaced U Boat was mauled by the artillery shells until it sank.
Depth Charges set to go off at 450 feet - 137 metres. Sub down at 200 metres plus. 656 feet. Charges nowhere near. The RN Captain would NOT have left his ship. The Boarding Party would be let by a Junior Officer. What film is this from ?
The Germans would never have been able to pull this off at the distance between the submarine and the destroyer. The G7 torpedo launched by the U-boats armed at a minimum distance of 300 meters. If I am not mistaken the distance between the submarine and the British vessel was considerably less than that.
i think the best part when the sailors that were on the submarine deck just stood there doing nothing.. and I can't think of any captain that would park his ship in front of an enemy submarine.
Those depth charges exploded pretty friggin fast… I wouldnt have minded.. if they kept the camera on the view from the aft of that destroyer.. for a good 15 second before those depth charges churned the water They wouldn’t blow out of the water like that if they were deep
They are just as bad in any American-made/themed movie. THE ENEMY BELOW or the start of IN HARM"S WAY; OPERATION PACIFIC or U-571 -- depth charges go off three seconds after hitting the water. They HAVE To, y'know, so the camera can capture the exciting action!
@@mister-v-3086 haha. You’re so right. That’s why I don’t even watch any of those movies. Well… the real reason is, they aren’t that good. And now I am a very well, self educated historian. But still have SO much to learn as a 29 year old. I’m an American and my Dad is a retired US Navy SEAL from SEAL Team One, Two, Three and Five. Did a 22 year career. I’m from San Diego California. His name is Kevin Blake, he’s got a newspaper article about him when his BUDs class found an Oarfish washed up on the shore in Coronado CA. If you google “BUDs SEAL finds Oarfish Coronado” you’ll find the article I watched a lot of these kinds of movies with my dad as a kid I remember as a kid watching u 571 I have that movie purchased on my UA-cam. But haven’t watched much of it yet. Is it about an American group who captured a German UBOAT Or Is that the one about the Russian nuclear submarine that had some issue… and the Russians had to get up inside the nuclear reactor with a hazmat suit (“basically like wearing a raincoat”) ?? (If you remember the movie that I just described about the Russians having an issue in the nuke sub.. please tell me what movie that is. ) They welded the nuclear reactor shut so it wasn’t leaking anything. And then the sailor who died because of radiation.. as well as a few other soldiers who died.. but the guy who welded the nuke reactor… saved the whole crew because of his bravery and sacrifice inside the nuke engine… welding it shut. Not a fan of the Soviets ;) More a fan of the Germans. Big big fan of the Germans. ;) I remember that movie. Not positive which movie it was I’d like to see it again. When I was a kid, I was very on edge about that movie and found it to be an amazing movie. Very stressful and emotional. I wonder how I’d feel about it now, as an adult.
What I’m curious about is, why not lay a 3 or 4 shot pattern righ from the “alarm” sound. Why not, as soon as that happens, have the torpedo room automatically get those fish swimming. At a best guesstimate course. 1. Your boat is that much lighter 2. Submerging will only postpone your demise. Especially with ASDEK. 3. Having the ship coming after you will really put the zap on them if they know 4 torpedoes are headed their way. They….have to veer and make the ships guns less acurate. Yeah Yeah Making suggestions to a Hollywood sub fight scene….completely ridiculous.
@@whazzat8015 Maybe. I'm thinking it was probably due to the fact that the audience can't actually see any effect from an explosion 450ft underwater more than anything. That classic water plume effect looks better in an action film than what actually happens.
All I can think about during these sub movies is how incredibly bad it must smell in there...well, that and how you're trapped like rats. That is just some scary shi*. The closest I got to underwater was bouncing back up to the surface in an Amtrak. Pro tip: Always carry a large plastic bag with you for when the vomit overflows your Marine issue helmet. I'd rather face a company of SS than get into a sub. Respect to Navy submariners.
Like all extreme combat units, they get paid a lot more than the average grunt and get better food. People always forget that. Only silly people discount the average humans' capitalistic nature. Like socialists and communists. Which is why no socialist or communist country has ever been successful long term in all of human history.
Modern subs don’t smell that bad and in places like that you eventually go nose blind. Never a submariner myself but spent a lot of time on oil rigs from the North Sea to the Gulf.
@@samg5463 You'd be surprised, I cant find it now, but there was a thread on Quora where a couple of US submariners were comparing notes, and the common consensus was that the smells were acrid to say the least and permeated their clothes intensely and fully, so much that their partners often had them seperate them shortly before returning from a tour...
Veo que mucha gente pregunta el título de la película y nadie responde, es una serie de televisión que se llama Das Boot. Saludos desde Barcelona (Catalonia it´s not spain) Google translate: I see that many people ask for the title of the movie and no one answers, it is a TV series called Das Boot. Greetings from Barcelona (Catalonia it´s not Spain)
Destroyer crews were trained for such an eventuality. The captain of the destroyer would never personally sail to the uboat, in practice it looked like this: after surfacing, the uboat was shot at with hurricane-force fire, as a result of which part of the evacuating crew was killed, and the fire was conducted to discourage the crew from using the gun. And everyone generally felt the urge to play more pranks.
So got a discrepancy. The British dude said to set the depth charges for "450 feet". According to the U-boat guy, they're at 210 meters not long after that. 450 feet is only 137 meters. Yet the next shots show the U-boat being bracketed and damaged by the depth charges. I get that charges don't have to be direct hits to do damage but 70+ meters away? When such simple things are wrong, it really makes the show barely even entertainment.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 Well depth charges kill via the hydraulic shock the explosion produces when its underwater but that still doesn't explain why they're affecting a U-boat over 70 meters away. That's generally a safe range for most depth charges of WW2.
Common misconception about distance to target. A depth charge just has to be nearby to severely damage a sub. Only in movies for effect and entertainment do they show the silly depth charges dropping all around feet away from the sub and exploding like little firecrackers.
The real question is why use depth charges when sub so deep just use the far superior hedgehog mortar system..... its has no max depth its contact fuze and has a massive area of effect. There is a reason german subs started getting destroyed on mass when the hedgehog started getting fitted on ships.
Two reasons: hedgehog was not always as effective as it would seem, and there wasn't that awful much of ammunition plus reload took time. Most late war/ASW vessels had relative abundance of depth charges, so they were eager to use them.
I doubt any British captain would be so gullable or leave his ship to board another as long as it was still afloat. And I also doubt any commander, even a 2nd in command would allow a U boat line up on it. So many other things, like lack of other launches to pick up survivors . I doubt any captain would tell his men to stand down and allow them to retake his boat when his men have Machine guns pointed at his men, i would think that after they blew up the ship, he would take a chance with a knife wound . Was great till it got rediculous and unbelievable at the end.
If it was to happen - and sometimes it did - it would rather be a boarding party under command of an officer, but pretty much never the captain, XO or IWO.
Uh, he was part of the "away team" and forgot his communicator. I kept looking for the redshirt ensign. I think I read his lips in one scene where he said "beam me up Scotty" but they voiced over that.
@@britishpatriot7386 It's a trifle quick. it would take a thing like a depth charge just short of 4 seconds to fall through 450 ft of air - starting from rest. Depth charges are not hydrodynamically optimal and water offers a far higher drag force than air.
I thought the script and characters might make up for the dreadful effects and realism but alas not, it’s like a live-action comic book. Why Ray Stevenson agreed to be in this rubbish is an interesting one.
No destroyer would be at Battle Stations with cannon plugs covering the muzzle tip. I was an Aviation Ordnanceman in the US Navy and no fn way would that be tolerated for 1 second.
The original mission of U571 was to retrieve the Uboat enigma in order to find the Uboats and sink them. It does give you a glimpse of how important of capturing one of those can change the entire war
No white flag.... I would have put a light shell through the conning tower.... Also I would have sent a few more boats over.... Why would the jerries jump in the water and not just surrender on deck ? This is likely similar to the loss of HMAS Sydney .... Also I would have stayed at 90 degrees to ram the blighters..
Great a movie that actually shows the British we’re not the best at everything or though the always think they are and I would of fired 4 torpedoes because they had no white flag up.
@karenburns3516 Well, not having a special tooth in defending Britain but, yes societies usually don't provide people being the best at everything...and SURPRISE, that's precisely why, I guess (while not being and army specialist and surely not a submarine specialist) training for though missions is usually rigid and demanding...in order to eliminate many predictable errors from the very beginning. . For example we Human just look like dry hay balls when an unwanted welding machine fire occurs...about one second of missing attention and you can say your have replayed the final scene of "Wicker Man", just in a few seconds before being reduced into a puppet-like mesh of ash and partly burned carbon chains. THAT's why in probably every society not wanting an insufferable loss rate among welders, there are extra precautions to be learned, then applied, when you want to work as a welder. . Seriously, would you trust a welder not wearing any proper face screen, gloves and so on ?
I got to love the war crimes displayed as a underdog moment. Feigning surrender is a type of Perfidy is specifically prohibited under the 1977 Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, which states: Protocol I of the Geneva Convention Article 37. - Prohibition of perfidy: It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy.
Fiction for one, but that was stated already. This is at least thirty three years before that addendum, and at least five before that specific convention outlined and outlawed perfidy by that definition; not only that but the germans never waved official surrender in the form of the white flag, the British Officer just assumed surrender because they were jumping ship
@@williamnixon3994 Which doesn't affect in the slightest the fact that this is a totally invented scene in a silly programme ehich trades on the memory of an excellent movie, whilst been almost ludicrously full of nonsense at the same time.
Subtitles are marginal. For instance, at 8:47 the young German sailor did not call the English sailor a "Tommy Bastard" in German, he called him a "Tommy Asshole".
R.I.P. Ray Stevenson. A great actor
yep we probably SEE HIS GREAT IN ASHOKA
He played that salty dog to perfection-bravo zulu Ray.
@@olt4919 lol, you really think so? Great actor but no one could make this screenplay anything other than ridiculous nonsense.
He might have been a great actor, but he was not a very good Captain;-) 😉
Say it ain't so. He was always interesting to watch. What a bummer.
No destroyer would ever allow itself to drift into a perfect position for a bow or stern shot against a still-active submarine
It's a movie, bro. It'd be a lot less fun if it were realistic
@@pusheenthecat9264 I disagree. We wouldn’t be thinking that this scene is stupid if it were realistic.
"still-active"
With the crew in the water and an armed boarding party led by the commander on board...?
Hardly...
Remember what happened to HMAS Sydney... if there was no evidence everyone would have said it was totally unrealistic and could never happen - but it happened... it says something about not being so sure about what is realistic or not.
@@Djeseret with SOME of the crew in the water
They had no idea there were still crew on board
@@Djeseret The Sydney was a very different situation since the Kormoran fires torpedoes from the side but a sub cannot. The Kormoran was always in a good position to ambush, but the closer it could get, the better. Whereas this submarine surfaces on a parallel angle and slowly drifts around (somehow) into a firing position right under their noses, and they do not react? This is not realistic.
Since when has a British ship ever gone to "battle stations"? I stand ready to be corrected, but my father was in the R.N. and he always went to "action stations".
WE SHALL BEAT TO QUARTERS!
@@mdcraig62 La musica notturna delle strade di Madrid, no. 6, op. 30 by Boccherini begins playing
Lt., Sound action stations!!
General quarters! Filthy yank version woot woot.
@@southenglish1 DRADIS contact! Cylon basestar, bearing 254, carom 173!
In 1942 Captain Werner Haretnstein torpedoed the converted cruise liner RMS Laconia. It was a legitimate target as it was being used as a troop ship and was armed with a lot of 6" guns. Hatenstein realised when he went in to try and capture officers from the survivors that it was full of British civilians and well over a thousand Italian POWs as well as soliders and airmen. He pulled all the survivors he could on deck and rigged tow lines to the life boats that were well and truly overloaded and then broke radio silence and put a call out in English with his position and heading requesting neutrality under a red cross to hand off the survivors to any allied or enemy in the area that could take them. The US dispatched a B24 from Ascencion Island and when it came he radioed them the situation and had a large red cross flag draped on his deck gun clearly visible. The pilot saw this and started circling overhead. He radioed Ascencion and was told to sink it regardless. The B24 lined up and dropped 2 bombs which missed the U-156 but blew two life boats out of the water killing most in them. Hartenstein's crew cut away the life rafts and told the survivors on deck to get in the water and the dived. The B24 came around again and dropped bombs and depth charges. one of which exploded under U-156 though it didn't sink. The B24 mistook the dive for it being sunk and left. In the rush they'd dived with the women and children still in the uboat so after a while surfaced and took the live boats under tow again. They met up with 2 more uboats and an Italian sub and handed off many survivors to the other boats and they all sailed and met a Vicy French cruiser which took them all on. A few life boats were separated in the dive or some other time and they drifted for 2 weeks before landing on the coast of Liberia in West Africa. When Hitler found out he was livid and made Admiral Donitz issue the Laconia order which forbade rescuing any survivors except for capturing officers and engineers that could provide intelligence. Basically if this was post 1942 which I'd say it is meant to be they would not take on any survivors except for the officers.
Interestingly when Donitz was being tried in the Nuremberg trail the Laconia order came up and to the embarrassment of the US he explained the circumstances in which it was issued. Basically no way a uboat commander would have made a deal to take on all the survivors.
Admiral Nimitz was part of his defense. He explained that U.S. submariners had the same orders and it would be unjust to prosecute him under those orders.
His death sentence was changed to prison. He survived.
We did way more heinous shit than the Nazi's did during the war. Ever see the documentary Hellstorm? If not, google it (along with the term documentary or you'll just get death metal albums) and find a copy - it's hard to find because it doesn't portray us as glorious victors so you'll have to look away from mainstream sites and find copies on more free platforms than UA-cam.
War is a mess
@chrisbrent That is something the All lies do not want in the history books. What is history than a fable agreed upon. Napoleon
The most unrealistic thing here is the crew not stowing the gold bars properly so they don't go flying the moment you crash dive.
no, no, no, the most unrealistic thing here is that the sub crew didn't scuttle the sub. The Germans didn't want the Allies to get either the Enigma machine or the codes that were on the sub.
The unrealistic thing is the British captain boarding the U-boat, lol, no way.
well it did happen though? thats how the allies got an enigma machine@@user-nx8tk1pp5o
The unrealistic thing is parking your destroyer directly in the U-Boats firing line.
@@bullmoosevelt4495 they didn't. But while on the surface, the U-Boat slowly turned right and it fired when it was finally lined up with the ship.
This scenario is entirely unrealistic. Five tons of cargo (gold) is not a heavy lift for WWII German submarines. A single torpedo (Type G7a) weighs 1.8 tons, and the primary ocean going WWII German submarine (Type 7) carried 14 of them -- some 25 tons of torpedoes. Any fuel consumption would also offset the weight of the gold. And you'd better believe those submariners would lash that gold down securely.
i mean he has a point
At least somebody who's still awake 🙂
You are absolutely right but this a movie. Just enjoy.
What was the last movie you enjoyed for just entertainment purposes?
great detail. w/ torps and tonage ---- I agree , the gold would not be just sitting there like my dirty laundry. I don't know how the brits and americans ever got rid of those wolf packs
A few here have pointed out some mistakes, just wrote this in an answer thread. Another glaring mistake is the U Boat being caught on the surface during daylight in clear skies in a hostile area. My grandfather, a British WWII sub veteran told many stories about his experiences and he made it clear the lengths they went to to stay undetected in hostile waters and he said they only surfaced when it was 100% safe to do so and the restricted visibility behind that island would be a big no no to be on the surface. His boat towed one of the X Craft that attacked the Japanese cruiser Takao in Singapore Harbour on 31 July 1945 as part of Operation Struggle. "Their" X Craft had been given the Myoko as a target but due to concerns over the tides had switched to attack the closer Takao.
Cool grandpa, I respect that
Depends on which year it is. This is the beginning of the war you both were definitely chilling on the surface much more often. If this is 1943 or later then you’re totally right.
@@StewDaJew Even at the start they would have been paranoid about being caught on the surface. Not only were they vulnerable to the enemy they were also vulnerable to (not so) friendly fire. The British had to institute a box grid system of "no fire zones" where aircraft were told not to attack subs on the surface because they were sinking British boats that were transiting to their patrol zones.
@@ATtravel666 yes but at the early stages of the war, when Allied planes had much less range, in the middle of the Atlantic the Germans would sit on the surface if they weren’t patrolling or in battle
this is Hollywood. not a documentary.
I noticed that when the U-Boat surfaced and the RN sailors were boarding her, her outside was perfectly dry. The entire boat should have been wet, and shedding water.
Because it was shot on a museum example in port. as was the destroyer... The distance shots were poor CGI and models..
Water was much drier back then. You could almost breathe it.
I’m old.
it is from the made for TV series "Das Boot" not the original movie. It is still easy to find here on several channels.
Thanks for the information. 👍
The Original tv series from the mid 80 s was an extended version of the movie. Juergen Prochnow was so good in that.
@@colinstafford7846 I think the movie was an edited version of the series. It turned a masterpiece into a not-bad action adventure. Spoilt it for me.
@@michaelmulvaney1605 I think you are correct. And I think that was what I was trying to say. The series was very good. I am glad you enjoyed it.
2 submachine guns against 3 knifes and 1 wrench, and the Captain surrenders.
I would have said....."Lads....shoot ever last one of them NOW!!!"
British can't shoot... so...
His men wouldn't be saved from drowning though?
They were Sten guns and they sucked balls.
If not maybe the 2 commander death a couple german death but kill after finish the magasine
At one point in the film, the submarine is motionless, being abandoned, side by side with the destroyer. The next moment, it instantly changes position and launches a torpedo with its bow pointed at the other ship. With no reaction by enemy!
This makes it hard to take this film seriously...
Exactly. Simply sthe script needs the submarine to turn by 90 degreed, so it magically does..
...not to mention the Nazi crew suddenly appears on the deck of the sub to overpower the English landing party without a shot fired. In the next scene Germany miraculously wins the war...
Any British Captain would've put a dozen 4" shells into her the second she surfaced.
@@DodAederen And moreover he would never, never let his ship just stand in the watters like sitting duck. The movement is one of the keys in combat therefore this scene is so badly written in so many ways as its outcome is as bad as the screen-wrotes's perception of the war is.
They do mention that for some reason, the boat drifts to starboard when on the surface and the British do notice it around the time the Germans start singing. Plus it's implied a decent period of time elapsed between them surfacing and the boat drifting around.
It's still not great on other points but on the ones you mention, at least they acknowledge them.
Best U-boat war comedy yet.
Bit of an insult to Periscope down, but alright...
A bit of a niche film genre, "U-boat comedies".
whats its name?
Das Boot Tv Series (2018)@@aistorynow
4:39 4:41
Now I know how Germans must think of Hogan's Heroes
I agree.
Hogan's Heroes was designed as a comedy to make fun of Germany.
Touche!
@@rutabagasteu Colonel Klink and Sgt Schultz are truly national treasures.
@@madjack1748 exactly.
Ray Stevenson, you legend grows by the day.
Shame he had such a terrible screenplay to work with.
Apparently this is a selection from the recent SERIES "Das Boot" which is high in drama but not comparable to the gritty realism of the ORIGINAL mini-series/ movie.
The one truly glaring mistake in this film is seen at the 7:07 mark. The ship is armed with "Hedgehog-Mortars" as was the US Navy. These water bombs developed by the British were the preferred weapon of use against all Submarines. They fired in a pattern ahead of the ship that the sub would be unable to evade if used properly. The fatal problem with depth charges was that in order to use them one needed to pass over the area of the sub. Sub commanders learned this early on and would hold course until the ship was almost on top of them then veer away. causing far more misses than not. The Hedgehog was a contact exploder, so one knew if they hit, or missed. The USS England, a US Destroyer Escort sank 6 Japanese subs in just 12-days using them. Much to the annoyance of others Captain in the hunting group.
I think you mean USS England.
@@crabfat1494 thank you, I knew it was British sounding.
Good observation! Though one of MANY glaring mistakes. In fact, the destroyer in this silly show has had her "A" mount replaced by a hedgehog - but she still has her "Y" mount! NEVER happened during the war. Older destroyers would always, ALWAYS lose their "Y" mount first for extra depth charges and then, when hedgehog came out often lose their "A" mount for it.
Additionally, from the rake of the stem, this was a mid to late war destroyer. They never lost any mounts for anti-submarine alterations and were all kept in their full fleet destroyer configuration. From the Tribal class onwards.
Yet another ludicrous mistake from an utterly shitty show.
Additional benefit of hedgehog: they would only detonate if they made contact with the submarine. Depth charges always exploded causing a loss of sonar acquisition. If hedgehog missed, sonar was still in contact and they could try again.
@@331SVTCobra Yes, you're quite right. Not to mention that depth charges always exploded, whether or not they hit the U-boat. An explosion with a hedgehog meant you got the bugger.
What a load of utter mince - so may errors it's difficult where to start.
The minute the U-Boat was detected the Captain would have taken command from the bridge and conducted the operation from there - having immediately ordered action stations and hoisting battle ensigns.
He's also wearing totally unsuitable uniform for the area - the climate around the Canary Islands is way too hot for the heavy clothing he has on.
The destroyer (?) was equipped with a hedgehog - that surely would have been deployed in the attack.
The instant the submarine surfaced he would have ordered all guns to open fire - and would not have stopped until a white flag appeared, or the U-Boat sank.
As for him boarding the enemy submarine - total fantasy - that's a job for a junior officer.
Then there's code books and enigma machine lying around - they would have been ditched overboard as a priority.
This tripe makes even the plot for U-571 look plausible !!!
Always thought that in WW2 Kriegsmarine der Kaleun wore the white cap and every other officer black ones.
However herein looks like the "L.I." happens to command the boat 🤔
Ok... it's a movie. In this scene the British lost, the Germans won. After the director yelled "CUT", they all went out for a beer.
Right on. Typically and quite predictably, the Germans are portrayed as ruthless and arrogant. But in this depiction, the British Captain is undone by his own arrogance and hubris. It's an engaging flip of the script, despite the technical inaccuracies.
You want reality, watch a fucking documentary.
During the war the British didn't wear white trop shirts or white hats, the hats had a black cover fitted.
Sorry - the MOST unrealistic thing is throwing a loaded, cocked Sten gun across the conning tower - and expecting it NOT to go off ! :-D
"never transport a sten with a loaded magazine and an open bolt. seriously, don't do it - CarniK Con
Pretty sure the Andrew gave their blokes Lanchesters.
Our cadet instructor claimed that in one hut during his time in ww2 someone slammed
The door sndts whole rack if stens forests burst through the roof ( I can't imagine they would all be cocked and on auto though!)😮
This is I think a Type VII, possibly C or D. Max depth guaranteed to barely hold (but not safe depth) is 260m, not 250. But it's really risky. Though many captains did dive to 260 or a bit below, some did hit 300m, and the boats would still hold, though barely. And even so, at that depth there is so much weight and pressure that rising up will(would) become a difficulty.
This happened with the U-96, got stuck at 280m, well below maximum depth, and though it did spring many leaks, there were fixed, and overall the u-boat held against the massive pressure of the ocean. This is proof of the truly superb German engineering.
u 96 did not hit 280 it hit 80 meters at gibraltar buchheim exaggerated this number
Deutschland uber alles!
@@burmeisterundwainso your saying that nazi propaganda LIED??? wow what a unexpected turn of events
WW2 german engineering is a myth, germany was beaten into submission by the blundering, foolish allies including Russia.
This film was absolute Twaddle!
In that situation, the destroyer would keep way on and circle.
Yup. No warhip in war every just sits in the water. Even in peacetime....look at the "Cole" destroyer in Yemen!
After Das Boot everything else is dross!!!
Das Boot is great movie but shows just misery of the war. Worshiping this movie as something perfect is ridiculous.
As noted in Dross Kapital
The entire plan at the end depends on the person in-charge of the British surface warship officers NOT knowing they're in danger. Since it shows that this person did in-fact know they were in danger, the whole things makes no sense.
They don't have to shoot the submarine while the captain is on-board, they merely had to reverse a little bit.
Hey, my 6 year old nephew wrote this script! It seems so realistic when you’re six years old!!
What is the name of this movie. I'd like to watch the entire show!😊
A true British Commander would’ve said…fire away lads!!
All mounts fire as she bares!
Hasstr oradan
I knew it was a modern series when I saw the depth charges "set for 450 ft", then in the next shot they're going off a few seconds behind the boat 😂
Destroyers are truely the unsung heros of the navy, then and now.
Carriers get all the press, and subs have all the mystery. Destroyers are the backbone of the navy.
Change my mind
The vast numbers of destroyers saved Britain both during the Battle of Britain in 1940 and the rest of the war. Not the Royal Air Force. The British Empire built 335 destroyers during WWII, Nazi Germany only 17. Japan had 209 destroyers in total. Fascist Italy only 6.
When the war broke out in 1939 the Royal Navy already had 184 destroyers with 52 more under construction. Another 50 was then received via Lend-Lease from the USA.
Nazi Germany lost 10 destroyers alone during the invasion of Norway in 1940 and that went generally well (for Nazi Germany) and fighting stopped within 2 months. So it's not like this was a "small loss" from a percentage point of view.
Churchill praised the RAF for saving Britain but in reality Operation Sea Lion would have failed even with the RAF knocked out or forced to operate from distant bases beyond the range of German bombers. First all of Nazi Germany lacked landing craft. The divisions can't swim across the channel can they? Also what they *did* have and planned on using primarily were hastily converted river barges from the rivers of occupied Europe. Slow river barges across the treacherous seas of the channel? Bad idea. The weather turns bad and it founders most of the barges with the defenders doing nothing. However suppose the barges somehow made it across, German admiral Raeder concluded that they needed at least 30 divisions to ensure a successful invasion but they only had the naval capability to land 9 divisions... (provided the weather is ideal and they're not discovered by patrolling destroyers, torpedo boats and subs).
Suppose the RAF was "knocked out". The Royal Navy still has several times more destroyers all around the British isles, how exactly is the Kriegsmarine going to pull this off with their 10-12 intact destroyers? Once the word of invasion gets out the British destroyers not already in the area are there soon.
But what about the Luftwaffe? Can they attack destroyers and other surface ships at will with not RAF? No, not quite. For it was already revealed that the high-altitude bombers couldn't hit them very well since they were moving at high speed (and hitting a stationary target in broad daylight was difficult enough during WWII) and zig-zagged once they knew bombers (or subs) were spotted. Attack aircraft like the Ju87 Stuka had to get close to the destroyers making them within range for the anti-aircraft battery. And yes, captains soon learned how to dodge their dropped bombs too by last seconds evasive maneuvers.
A 1974 wargame concluded that even with RAF knocked out there's no way Nazi Germany can sustain a naval invasion because they simply lack the capabilities to do so. Even in favorable conditions (which was granted to them in this wargame).
And the large number of destroyers around the British isles, the Mediterranean (neither Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy could ever ship large number of troops and equipment to North Africa), the Atlantic (which saved Britain from being subdued by the submarines) and even in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific to battle the Imperial Japanese Navy (far more powerful than the Kriegsmarine) was the reason for that.
I reckon the destroyers of the U.S. Navy played a pivotal part both in WWII and later conflicts.
Workhorses win wars. Yet no songs are written about them.
@@McLarenMercedes Except there is literally an entire Steven Spielberg movie about work horses, called War Horse. You fool.
Childishly insulting to all concerned. The war was a long time ago and is now reduced to a video game and the scary thing is that so many people can't tell the difference.
People that have functioning brains are still around . It's just the little flaming gamers that can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. You'll probably out last them . I begining to get a kick out of watching them get pissed off .
it's a movie bro
@@deeperinsider2544 Not a very good one either, and insulting the good name of Das Boot is unforgivable.
Stop crying bro
@@Panarin1030 Are you blubbering?
Name of this movie please...thank you
Wait... so the max depth of the depth charge is 450 feet, but one explodes next to the sub at 200 meters, over 600 feet?
And immediately after being dropped.
@@hybridwolf66 Right - someone below mentioned that these depth charges seem to be able to fall at 150 feet per second. That's 100 mph. They must be supercavitating depth charges.
I commented the exact same thing. They set them for 450 feet and at the very next scene, the U-boat crew say they're at 210 meters. At 70 meters, a depth charge wouldn't damage the boat much, if at all.
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I'm thinking they're mixing up their feet and meters a wee bit...
Very silly, if you have ever seen old film of actual surfacing of a Uboat they are getting shot up even as they jump from the boat. The other is what captain leaves his ship, he would send another officer. During the last stages of the war a Uboat crew had very little chance of surviving.
Keep watching black and white
@@StevenConstantine-fw2kn that’s your considered response? This is bloody awful TV…
Wheres the Lugers, P-38s, and MP-40s...guess they thew em' over the side.
75% casualty rate for U-Boat crews.
I sadly don't know this movie, but this scene reminds me of Das Boot.❤
You mean this movie reminds you of a better movie.
@@theothertonydutchwhich movie is it?
How dare you get reminded of the best Submarine movie ever made and one of the best war movies with this tripe?
this is from the t.v. series das boot 2018 it ran 4 years it was a german t.v. series Ray Stevenson as Commander Jack Swinburne (s3; Perseverance)
Fanciful tosh that will undoubtly play well with the kind of numpties who find Clint Eastwood, and his extensive wardrobe of clean ponchos, realistic.
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The commander should have listened to Mr. Mercer, and Mr. Mccoy, and opened up on das boot with the 4 inch deck guns
I can tell this a movie not to be taken seriously, but the *second* that torpedo launced, I'd immediately turn in a war criminal and mow down everyone, given that they shot first before I would.
This, plus the British captain might have a grenade handy, ever in case of any one of his men is down or incapacitaded...
But you wouldn't be a war criminal. The Germans had committed perfidy (ie pretending to surrender then continuing hostile action - the original meaning of the word). That means that under the laws of war, dating back to medieval times, their lives are instantly forfeit.
When your enemy's back is against the wall, that's when he's most dangerous.
Hello ! What is the name of this movie ? ?
Who sends just two armed soldiers to search and hold an entire submarine...and under suspicous circumstances? I love movie logic. Great scene though!
Das Boot is a must-see for anyone interested in the intensity of WW2 submarine warfare.
Just not the DasBoot-2 TV-series , of which a ridiculous part we are watching
If that is what this was named, it's even more ridiculous. The true and original Das Boot is a classic. @@Warszawski_Modernizm
If you mean the film, I utterly agree. But not this load of crap...
@@Warszawski_Modernizm I just looked it up... four-star rating.
So how bad is it?
i suggest the 4 hrs uncut miniseries. of course in german. with rearranged and deleted scenes
(sigh)...couldn't just stick with the sad truth of the original film and book...
For those asking: This is from Das Boot, Season 3, Episode 9. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot_(2018_TV_series)#Season_3_(2022)
Thanks!
What movie was this???
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Three seconds from depth charge drop to explosion set at 450' - 150' per second hmmmmmm !
Most WW2 depth charges sank at only 10- 12 feet per second. Mid 1943 the new American Mk 9's sank at about 20 feet per second reducing some of the dead time.
I was in the Royal Navy for 43 years. ‘Hands to Action Stations’!
What Movie is this from? Thanks
I love it when the good guys win
Might want to take the muzzle cap off that gun...
Yup. Hard to pour a powder charge down it, and prime the caps lock and pull back the flint into ready position.
Which film is this?
Lol, this is some peak U-boat comedy
7:46 I love how they built a mock up of a Type VIIc and nobody said "hey now, the dimensions of the conning tower, the light gray paint instead of Schlickgrau 58 and the way it sits in the water is completely wrong ah, screw it- nobody's gonna watch anyway."
I don't know where did they get this from, but once you spotted a U-boat on the surface, all your guns would have been blasting the sh*t out of it, until it would have become a WRECK. Nobody would stand on a destroyer or fregate deck just staring at it - even if the crew (or PART OF IT) seemed to abandon it. The risk of getting a torpedo up your own, was too high - that was (among others) one of the reasons the casualties among German submariners were so high (70%). U-boat crews, as well as submariners in general. do not just "surrender", even if by some miracle they have a chance to do it. They either escape into the below, or kill their hunter (which was even more dangerous - ASW ships do not work alone and they often have air-cover) ...OR they go down fighting for their lives.
That's exactly what I thought too - this is not believable at all. The moment that sub popped the surface, EVERYTHING on that destroyer that could fire and had the range would have been blasting at it until there was no sub no more. There wouldn't have been any kind of lull where the sub crew could just peacefully rig ropes overboard and abandon ship. The first thing any sub would do in this situation after surfacing would have been to send sailors to man the deck gun and start fighting back, so the first assumption on the destroyer's part would have been that any man out of the conning tower would have been on their way to do just that, and their first priority would have been to prevent it at any cost.
@@StripedbottomI also love the implication that the uboat is getting revenge. Is it me or are there more and more of these pro enemy films on UA-cam?
@@SentinelIXKWatch the show. I’m American and a red blooded one too and have fell in love with the show. I’m a history nut and I approve, the premises the fiction works on were all ideas that were never implemented etc so some of its plausible which makes it watchable. The submarine suspense is great, the visuals are awesome, it’s just not steaming anywhere here and it’s annoying having to sail the high seas to watch it.
Actually it kind of depends - most of the time this would totally have been the case. Sometimes however captains would try to get close in hope of getting the Enigma codes, or other pieces of military intelligence if it seemed the U Boat was hit, being abandoned and not immediately sinking.
Still, such situations were rare and in most cases surfaced U Boat was mauled by the artillery shells until it sank.
This was a very stupid movie in so many ways. You've pointed out one of probably hundreds of silliness.
Depth Charges set to go off at 450 feet - 137 metres. Sub down at 200 metres plus. 656 feet. Charges nowhere near. The RN Captain would NOT have left his ship. The Boarding Party would be let by a Junior Officer. What film is this from ?
Das Boot 2018
The Germans would never have been able to pull this off at the distance between the submarine and the destroyer. The G7 torpedo launched by the U-boats armed at a minimum distance of 300 meters. If I am not mistaken the distance between the submarine and the British vessel was considerably less than that.
What’s the name of this movie?
Not one Royal Navy officer would have entered that boat
i think the best part when the sailors that were on the submarine deck just stood there doing nothing..
and I can't think of any captain that would park his ship in front of an enemy submarine.
that is what the sailors are for, not the officers.
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People arguing about realism are forgetting the golden rule of WW2 films: all Brits must be bad at all things in all scenes.
What is the title of this film?..
Those depth charges exploded pretty friggin fast… I wouldnt have minded.. if they kept the camera on the view from the aft of that destroyer.. for a good 15 second before those depth charges churned the water
They wouldn’t blow out of the water like that if they were deep
They are just as bad in any American-made/themed movie. THE ENEMY BELOW or the start of IN HARM"S WAY; OPERATION PACIFIC or U-571 -- depth charges go off three seconds after hitting the water. They HAVE To, y'know, so the camera can capture the exciting action!
@@mister-v-3086 haha. You’re so right. That’s why I don’t even watch any of those movies.
Well… the real reason is, they aren’t that good. And now I am a very well, self educated historian. But still have SO much to learn as a 29 year old.
I’m an American and my Dad is a retired US Navy SEAL from SEAL Team One, Two, Three and Five. Did a 22 year career. I’m from San Diego California. His name is Kevin Blake, he’s got a newspaper article about him when his BUDs class found an Oarfish washed up on the shore in Coronado CA. If you google “BUDs SEAL finds Oarfish Coronado” you’ll find the article
I watched a lot of these kinds of movies with my dad as a kid
I remember as a kid watching u 571
I have that movie purchased on my UA-cam. But haven’t watched much of it yet. Is it about an American group who captured a German UBOAT
Or
Is that the one about the Russian nuclear submarine that had some issue… and the Russians had to get up inside the nuclear reactor with a hazmat suit (“basically like wearing a raincoat”) ??
(If you remember the movie that I just described about the Russians having an issue in the nuke sub.. please tell me what movie that is. )
They welded the nuclear reactor shut so it wasn’t leaking anything. And then the sailor who died because of radiation.. as well as a few other soldiers who died.. but the guy who welded the nuke reactor… saved the whole crew because of his bravery and sacrifice inside the nuke engine… welding it shut.
Not a fan of the Soviets ;)
More a fan of the Germans. Big big fan of the Germans. ;)
I remember that movie. Not positive which movie it was
I’d like to see it again.
When I was a kid, I was very on edge about that movie and found it to be an amazing movie. Very stressful and emotional. I wonder how I’d feel about it now, as an adult.
What I’m curious about is, why not lay a 3 or 4 shot pattern righ from the “alarm” sound. Why not, as soon as that happens, have the torpedo room automatically get those fish swimming. At a best guesstimate course.
1. Your boat is that much lighter
2. Submerging will only postpone your demise. Especially with ASDEK.
3. Having the ship coming after you will really put the zap on them if they know 4 torpedoes are headed their way. They….have to veer and make the ships guns less acurate.
Yeah
Yeah
Making suggestions to a Hollywood sub fight scene….completely ridiculous.
We should have put you in charge of the war.
Terrific idea
Its ASDIC and stands for Anti Submarine Detection Investigation Committee. ASDIC also had limitations.
Anti submarine devision……the IC essentially was added as a simple suffix to help confuse the acronym. Very secret stuff at the time.@@johnmeneses7039
"Churchill adddresses Parliament..."UA-camr defeats allies, Britain is lost"
I don't always swim in the English Channel, but when I do, it is in perfectly buoyed full military dress gear and uniform.
What movie is this from?
"Set depth charges 450 ft"
Depth charges shown exploding 1-2 seconds after deployment. Whoops, guess the effects guys didn't get a copy of the script.
Prolly couldn't read, or editor was told it was running long
@@whazzat8015 Maybe. I'm thinking it was probably due to the fact that the audience can't actually see any effect from an explosion 450ft underwater more than anything. That classic water plume effect looks better in an action film than what actually happens.
All I can think about during these sub movies is how incredibly bad it must smell in there...well, that and how you're trapped like rats. That is just some scary shi*. The closest I got to underwater was bouncing back up to the surface in an Amtrak. Pro tip: Always carry a large plastic bag with you for when the vomit overflows your Marine issue helmet. I'd rather face a company of SS than get into a sub. Respect to Navy submariners.
Like all extreme combat units, they get paid a lot more than the average grunt and get better food.
People always forget that.
Only silly people discount the average humans' capitalistic nature.
Like socialists and communists.
Which is why no socialist or communist country has ever been successful long term in all of human history.
Modern subs don’t smell that bad and in places like that you eventually go nose blind. Never a submariner myself but spent a lot of time on oil rigs from the North Sea to the Gulf.
You should watch Das Boot, the best submarine film by far
imagine a LAN party times 10 i guess ;)
@@samg5463 You'd be surprised, I cant find it now, but there was a thread on Quora where a couple of US submariners were comparing notes, and the common consensus was that the smells were acrid to say the least and permeated their clothes intensely and fully, so much that their partners often had them seperate them shortly before returning from a tour...
Veo que mucha gente pregunta el título de la película y nadie responde, es una serie de televisión que se llama Das Boot. Saludos desde Barcelona (Catalonia it´s not spain)
Google translate:
I see that many people ask for the title of the movie and no one answers, it is a TV series called Das Boot. Greetings from Barcelona (Catalonia it´s not Spain)
Catalonia is a Region from Spain
Catalonia is too small to be a Country, and too big to be an insane asylum
@@luke33lukebased
TV show caller Das Boot from 2018.
Destroyer crews were trained for such an eventuality. The captain of the destroyer would never personally sail to the uboat, in practice it looked like this: after surfacing, the uboat was shot at with hurricane-force fire, as a result of which part of the evacuating crew was killed, and the fire was conducted to discourage the crew from using the gun. And everyone generally felt the urge to play more pranks.
what's the name of this movie
To add to the litany of errors, a torpedo could be fired perpendicular to the uboat, no need for its bow to be facing the destroyer
Who parks the ship directly in front of a semi functional Uboat...only a fool
I thought I had seen most sub movies, but I don't recognize this one. What is it?
Entirely unbelievable.
So got a discrepancy. The British dude said to set the depth charges for "450 feet". According to the U-boat guy, they're at 210 meters not long after that. 450 feet is only 137 meters. Yet the next shots show the U-boat being bracketed and damaged by the depth charges. I get that charges don't have to be direct hits to do damage but 70+ meters away?
When such simple things are wrong, it really makes the show barely even entertainment.
Depth charges dont kill with the explosion but create a huge empty bubble in the water that floats up and crushes anything it meets
The destroyer is British: they still measured in feet back then. The Huns used meters.
@@fb97e4ad I get the difference in system just not difference in distance.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 Well depth charges kill via the hydraulic shock the explosion produces when its underwater but that still doesn't explain why they're affecting a U-boat over 70 meters away. That's generally a safe range for most depth charges of WW2.
Common misconception about distance to target. A depth charge just has to be nearby to severely damage a sub. Only in movies for effect and entertainment do they show the silly depth charges dropping all around feet away from the sub and exploding like little firecrackers.
The real question is why use depth charges when sub so deep just use the far superior hedgehog mortar system..... its has no max depth its contact fuze and has a massive area of effect. There is a reason german subs started getting destroyed on mass when the hedgehog started getting fitted on ships.
The hedgehog was never reliable.
Two reasons: hedgehog was not always as effective as it would seem, and there wasn't that awful much of ammunition plus reload took time. Most late war/ASW vessels had relative abundance of depth charges, so they were eager to use them.
what is the movie called
What movie or TV show is this?
I doubt any British captain would be so gullable or leave his ship to board another as long as it was still afloat.
And I also doubt any commander, even a 2nd in command would allow a U boat line up on it.
So many other things, like lack of other launches to pick up survivors .
I doubt any captain would tell his men to stand down and allow them to retake his boat when his men have Machine guns pointed at his men, i would think that after they blew up the ship, he would take a chance with a knife wound .
Was great till it got rediculous and unbelievable at the end.
If it was to happen - and sometimes it did - it would rather be a boarding party under command of an officer, but pretty much never the captain, XO or IWO.
Uh, he was part of the "away team" and forgot his communicator. I kept looking for the redshirt ensign.
I think I read his lips in one scene where he said "beam me up Scotty" but they voiced over that.
Leaving his command in this scenario would invite Court Martial proceedings - just farcical nonsense from start to end.
Well, the whole scene does not look very realistic, does it :D @@maconescotland8996
How about the raidar picking him up behind the Island?
What is the name of this movie
What movie is this from
Also note the depth charges sinking to 450 feet in just a couple of seconds . . .
And?
@@britishpatriot7386 It's a trifle quick. it would take a thing like a depth charge just short of 4 seconds to fall through 450 ft of air - starting from rest. Depth charges are not hydrodynamically optimal and water offers a far higher drag force than air.
Strange that a recently surfaced submarine is completely dry.
What movie is this?
what movie is this?
I thought the script and characters might make up for the dreadful effects and realism but alas not, it’s like a live-action comic book. Why Ray Stevenson agreed to be in this rubbish is an interesting one.
In real life, soon as their ship torpedo, sailors guarding singing dudes in the water would have opened fire.
No destroyer would be at Battle Stations with cannon plugs covering the muzzle tip. I was an Aviation Ordnanceman in the US Navy and no fn way would that be tolerated for 1 second.
This is like Das Boot in sk much as it involves a submarine. Thats where the similarities end. This is total dross. I mean, U571 levels of awful.
i agree
This movie is so dumb what the hell!
Well said…glad I didn’t watch this awful series.
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The original mission of U571 was to retrieve the Uboat enigma in order to find the Uboats and sink them. It does give you a glimpse of how important of capturing one of those can change the entire war
That sub would have been pumped full of shells as soon as it broke the surface. Silly film.
Whats the name of the movie???
Which movie?
No white flag.... I would have put a light shell through the conning tower.... Also I would have sent a few more boats over.... Why would the jerries jump in the water and not just surrender on deck ? This is likely similar to the loss of HMAS Sydney .... Also I would have stayed at 90 degrees to ram the blighters..
Great a movie that actually shows the British we’re not the best at everything or though the always think they are and I would of fired 4 torpedoes because they had no white flag up.
@@karenburns3516 its fiction, Captain Walker would in real life have acted far tougher
@@karenburns3516it’s absolute horseshit to reality. What a joke.
@@karenburns3516 yes indeed the British are not the best in works of fiction, you know it did not actually happen yes?
@karenburns3516 Well, not having a special tooth in defending Britain but, yes societies usually don't provide people being the best at everything...and SURPRISE, that's precisely why, I guess (while not being and army specialist and surely not a submarine specialist) training for though missions is usually rigid and demanding...in order to eliminate many predictable errors from the very beginning.
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For example we Human just look like dry hay balls when an unwanted welding machine fire occurs...about one second of missing attention and you can say your have replayed the final scene of "Wicker Man", just in a few seconds before being reduced into a puppet-like mesh of ash and partly burned carbon chains. THAT's why in probably every society not wanting an insufferable loss rate among welders, there are extra precautions to be learned, then applied, when you want to work as a welder.
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Seriously, would you trust a welder not wearing any proper face screen, gloves and so on ?
I got to love the war crimes displayed as a underdog moment.
Feigning surrender is a type of Perfidy is specifically prohibited under the 1977 Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, which states: Protocol I of the Geneva Convention Article 37. - Prohibition of perfidy: It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy.
You make the mistake of treating these rubbish TV sequels to Das Boot with respect. Such rubbish ought to be ignored, or treated as comedy.
Fiction for one, but that was stated already. This is at least thirty three years before that addendum, and at least five before that specific convention outlined and outlawed perfidy by that definition; not only that but the germans never waved official surrender in the form of the white flag, the British Officer just assumed surrender because they were jumping ship
@@williamnixon3994 Which doesn't affect in the slightest the fact that this is a totally invented scene in a silly programme ehich trades on the memory of an excellent movie, whilst been almost ludicrously full of nonsense at the same time.
How would protocols from 1977 and / or 1949 be relevant to a WW2 action ?
Th Brits liteally manufactured perfidity in a form of Q ships so this is imaginary situation is at best a slap on the wrist.
movie title? anybody knows?
The sound from the ships guns was instant instead of taking time to get to the boat like it should have
They have hedgehog so why use depth charges?
Ron Jeremy was in the navy?
Do the artillery rounds explode on contact with water or punch through ? They can't do both
what movie?
I think this is from tv series "Das Boot", Series 3, no. 9 (The Sailor's Psalm)
not das boot
@@andrewnicholson4811 It’s from the Das Boot Reboot.
Das Dickheads more like!
Subtitles are marginal. For instance, at 8:47 the young German sailor did not call the English sailor a "Tommy Bastard" in German, he called him a "Tommy Asshole".