My Moms brother served on a U- Boat . She said he came home on leave in ‘42 , and said things were rough , and don’t expect him to survive . Was lost with all hands in February of ‘43 .
I was on a Sub Tender based in Scotland during the cold war ( we took care of Sub repairs).. They were always on the lookout for volunteers to join "the silent service". The Subs moored alongside us in the harbor and simply crossing the deck on one of those boats gave me claustrophobia. Being in blind combat would have been unbearable. Sorry for your families' loss.
All sailors know that the real enemy is the sea. I knew a man who served on HMS Rodney and took part in the sinking of the Bismarck. He said that there was no cheering when Bismarck stopped firing and it was clear she was done for, only relief. He knew they had just killed a lot of young men like themselves.
@@glenchapman3899 Indeed. My wife's dad served as a sub-lieutenant on destroyers and corvettes during the war, and told me about their having to hack ice from the ship's upper works to prevent it from capsizing when on the Arctic convoys. That's quite a frightening prospect when you think about it.
We had a similar situation during a Sarajevo air lift back in the winter of 92-93. Wind blowing 40 kts with sleet and snow accumulating on the superstructure. USS Kalamazoo AOR-6
@@LunarKn1ght a "win" can be many different scenarios. A lot of those cargo and troop ships in the convoy were destroyed. There was also no guarantee for the other destroyers of the escort group. There is also the matter of if all the UBoats are destroyed of if some especially Greywolf get away to harass the next convoy. Knowing a single fact about the end of the movie from the title by no means deminishes the suspense of the events during the movie
@@KreacherServes When the advertisements show a lot of the ending you kind of do. You knew that the U-Boats were going to lose, and the Allies were going to win. Suspense is created by a sense of not knowing the outcome. But we knew the outcome from the very title. Nobody is going to make a movie where the Nazis win and the Allies lose, especially when the movie is about an Escort Destroyer.
@@LunarKn1ght Do you not know how to read? I already explained how there are still many unknown outcomes in my last reply. Again the "win" can take many many different forms. Anywhere from a total win to a barely Survived win. He could have made it through without losing a single ship or made it through with just Greyhound left limping into port while having destroyed all the Uboats. Both can be considered a Win. Also the advertisements didn't even show much at all lol. It showed a couple action scenes and that's about it. You dont know what the outcome of the movie is from the ads or even knowing that Greyhound survives. Shit the adds didnt even show if Greyhound survives or not for all you know they take a hit for another ship and have to abandon the ship and the crew has to get picked up
@@blackhatfreak Hanks is a certified war-history nut and he wrote the screenplay, so betting you're right. Wish my dad had a chance to see this ... would have loved to hear what he had to say (a vet of the Battle of the Atlantic).
@@blackhatfreak The only inaccuracy was the German sub taunting over the radio. and the fact Fletchers were not operating in the Atlantic at the time of the film. Both easily excused for movie making reasons.
@@blackhatfreak you mean u boats breaking radio silence to communicate with enemy or uboats trying to pick a gun fight when on surcace? or uboats keeping attacking destroyers when they should wait for civilian ships in ambush and then try to move away only fighting escort when absolutely necessery? Accuracy my ass. Still a good movie but come on
@@csjrogerson2377 Put yourself in the shoes of someone trying to use the periscope while 40mm bofors rounds are landing around the thing. Even if they can't hit the sub, the splashes are still making it difficult to actually see your target, which in turn makes it hard to get an accurate torpedo shot. You also have to worry about the fact that there may very well be aircraft with depth charges coming at you as well, so now you're rushing to get the shot off and crash dive. just like for an infantryman. Doesn't matter if the bullets are .50bmg or .22lr, when they're zipping past your head, the "I really don't want to be here" feeling is quite strong.
This was a very good movie. I really enjoyed it. I watched it again with my dad who served in the Navy during Vietnam and he was literally sitting on the edge of his couch seat the entire movie. I don't think I have ever seen him so caught up in a movie before.
@@zephyer-gp1ju it was produced by Apple so it went straight to Apple TV and is still there included in any Apple TV subscription. I think you can subscribe and watch on other non-Apple devices. You might be able to get a free trial so you can watch.
It's riveting for us former sailors on these smaller combatants because it brings back memories of being on their ship. Even if they've never been in combat, they always imagine what could've happened. (USN, retired)
Just watched this last night....loved it. I loved that it was nonstop suspense/action/maritime warfare. Gives a glimpse of what these men went through and how they were always on edge while escorting ships.
A lot of the Canadian convoy escort ships (destroyer escorts/corvettes) were about 1/4 the displacement of the destroyer portrayed in Greyhound. So... bobbing like a cork on the North Atlantic, and your job is to get between the UBoats and their prey. The battle of the Atlantic was, according to many serious historians, the one battle Hitler couldn't lose.
Those ships in WW2 didn't had the time to rest during the passage of the Black pit (5 days without air cover in the beginning and then slowing being reduced to 0 days without air cover when the allies introduced the hunter killer groups that were escorting the convoys a few nautical miles behind the convoy with light carriers with TBF avengers adapted to ASW and a lot of cruisers and Destroyers...) But the allies had a ace upon their sleeve: the HFD AKA Huff Duff designed to detect high frequency radio and enigma code transmissions from the U-Boats, the allied convoys would be immediately in high alert as soon they detected a U-Boat transmission either by radio or enigma code.
@@absolutetuber Yup. Although it should be noted that you'd only get a search area, which would be the equivilent of looking for a sniper under a bed of autumn leaves in a Soccer (football) field. The action pin-pointing of the sub required use of hydrophones and insane amounts of luck with many Mk1 Eyeballs and binoculars.
Such a badass moment when they dodge those two close call torpedoes and then charge the Greywolf with guns blazing. You can almost feel the Greyhounds rage.
Yes and no most torpedoes could bounce but the German torpedoes at that angle would det on that angle there fuses would be sensitive enough @blackhatfreak
My family's from Liverpool, and I spent the first seven or eight years with my grandparents in the 1970's. My nan, who was in her late teens/early 20's during the war, lost three brothers in the North Atlantic. Her eldest brother, Thomas, was her favourite - he was the oldest of 12 kids, she was the baby of the family, and he was the first lieutenant on a destroyer that went down in 1944. The othrer two brothers, Bill and Jack were in the merchant marine and she didn't know much about how they went. You didn't have much chance in the North Atlantic. This destroyer seems to be pretty well specced. In fact many had an open bridge and compass platform. God knows what that was like somewhere between the Hebrides and Newfoundland in January.
@@therealunclevanya I know the film. I've looked everywhere and simply cannot find it online. It's interesting in that it could almost be a training film, in that we see a new crew come together from civvy street and learn to runa fighting ship. Wonderful movie.
The US destroyer shown in this film is assumed to be the USS Kidd, as it was the same vessel the movie was filmed on. USS Kidd is a Fletcher Class Destroyer, widely considered one of if not the best destroyer class used in World War II, they had considerable firepower with 5 5-in. Dual-Purpose Guns in 5 separate turrets, 10 21-in. Torpedo Launchers, and an insurmountable amount of AA by wars end. The Fletchers put the "destroy" in destroyers at the time.
@@enterprisethesylveon5787 And also the most produced ship in WW2, with more than 100 build in 4 years, after the war, half were sold to many countries...
Well, do you have your "breast removal scars". You have to be modern day audience, inclusive, to watch it. BTW watch The Enemy Below (1957). Same damn plot!!!!!!!
Tom Hanks did an amazing job with this movie. I absolutely love it. Very realistic in its showing of what escorts had to deal with and very tense both during action and quiet scenes
@@Mat-threw did I say everything? Some bits are for movies sake idiot. And besides, how do you know it never happened in real life? They knew the subs were there anyways
Very realistic? A uboat surfacing right infront of an enemy destroyer? The scene with the radio was just complete bullshit. The paintings on the Uboats were utter bullshit. Could go on with this for ever. Its far from beeing anywhere near realistic
@@Aspengc879 except giving up your advantage that the convoy doesmt know if youre there or not until the first ship is sunk. Also sailors used to value the lives of their enemys, they wanted to destroy the ships and not take the lives of their crews. The film doesnt potray how much suffering there was on both sides at all.
It could be Christof Walz the guy from inglorious basterds. This movie really gives credit how intense and f up the crossing was. Dicki and many other saved so many souls. May they always be remembered. F the fascist and left Sozialist the nazis where. F these cowards. Amen 🙏
Loved the part of this scene where after the captain gives the command you see literally every gun barrel on the ship begin to swing around and it looked awesome when you got a quick glimpse of every single gun on the ship opening fire on the U-Boat, everything from the 20mm AA guns right up to the 5 inch main battery guns, it looked like a literal wall of fire was being thrown out at the enemy submarine. world class movie, thoroughly enjoyed it.
At the beginning, in the station, he says "...after years of being 'fitted' and 'retained'... This was about so many good officers being retired during the Great Depression. He was, by the USN, considered "fit" for command and "retained" on active duty. He was the cream of the crop of those waiting in the wings. Full props to the moviemakers for knowing this and including it.
renember than in WW1 RMS Olympic actually sank an uboat by ramming it.. despite being one of the biggest ships in the world it was capable of doing over 21 knots where uboats where much slower.. once the uboat attack failed if she couldnt dive in time it was keel fodder
Grey Wolf was taunting him too. He never answered to give his position away. Greyhound was formidable and did a great job. Sadly no one had thought about aircraft flying off modified ship in the middle of Atlantic to get the u boats in the black pit. An area where no planes could reach back then. Nowadays even Ryanair could reach
It's not so much "they never thought;" it's more like they have no way of knowing there's an aircraft above them due to the limits of their technology. Often times crew have to be on deck, out of water, to be able to look straight up into the sky because the periscope can only stay at about horizon eye-level. And in the heat of battle, the thought of aircraft becomes the least of their concerns.
@@girl1213 technical shortcoming for sure. One of the the things I've heard is the WW1 ships didn't have ANY machiune guns on them that would go UP to shoot at planes. So dive bombers had a field day. They didn't have planes when the ships were designed.
The problem wasn't flying planes off of modified ships but the planes getting back on board the ship. Even when they used float planes off of battleships and heavy cruisers they weren't armed with anything. They were only used as a spotter for the main guns.
Fletcher class destroyers were actually surprisingly accurate against surface naval targets with the Mark 1A computerized fire control system. It was one of the reasons for the lopsided US victory in the Battle off Samar--US destroyers running wild zig zags at flank speed were landing 5in shots all over the superstructures of the Japanese cruisers (which, to be fair, were large targets compared with this scenario).
This WWII high-seas drama is a milestone in Tom Hanks’s career. His bravura performance, central to nearly every scene in the film, would on its own make him worthy of acknowledgment for living up to the highest standards of his profession. And then we find out Hanks co-wrote the screenplay! This to my mind is an even more extraordinary achievement than his performance as an actor. Hanks is too young to have known first-hand the existential, downright primordial day-to-day life of mariners on both sides of Great Britain’s fight to survive being over-run by Nazi forces. It’s been kept quiet, but in Britain many were eager to seek some kind of agreement with the Nazis, an attitude Churchill (and Roosevelt) found to be even more despicable than what the Germans were up to. At this point of the war, the scales were finally being tipped away from the u-boats and in favor of the Allies, who had come to understand that merchant ships were much safer crossing the dreaded North Atlantic in convoys, protected by fighting ships that could keep the submarine wolf packs at bay. The u-boats’ greatest advantage, stealth, was in that year being undone by technology - radar detection of vessels on the surface, and Asdic, a form of radar that detected vessels that were submerged. The once invincible “wolf packs” of a half dozen or more submarines, trolling above the waterline like regular boats, could in one night sink a dozen or more merchant ships, condemning every civilian sailor in them to a terrible death in the icy waters of the North Atlantic, knowing they would never be buried in their homeland. With all this in mind, you might want to be aware Hanks’s character was commanding the most fearsome type of destroyer, the Fletcher class, the Germans had ever faced. A Fletcher-class destroyer was fast, and loaded with killing power thanks to its lethal combination of torpedos and 5” guns, either of which weapons system was capable of sinking a u-boat on its own. At this pivotal moment in the battle for the North Atlantic, most of the Germans were stuck in the early-generation subs that were around at the onset of war in 1939. They were completely outclassed and out-gunned by the Allied warships assigned to protect the merchant ships carrying the necessities of daily life - food, clothing, and so on - the Great Britain so desperately needed to withstand the onslaught of the Nazis. And so the depiction of the convoy’s vulnerability to submarine attack in this film was somewhat disingenuous. I understand the requirement for artistic license in conveying to a comfortably seated audience the terrors of war. But when Hanks introduces the u-boat commander’s boorish insults by radio to the Allies listening in, he crosses the line. Anyone who watched Das Boot understands how equally desperate were the u-boat sailors to survive what was to be the deadliest battlefield of the war. The radio’d taunts directed at Hanks’s character by the murderous u-boat commander descend to the level of ad hominem demonizing of serving German submariners. This characterization was below the belt - an unwholesomely gratuitous validation of what the u-boat crews were about to endure at the hands of their”victims.” The reality was, none of them wanted to be there, but were forced by circumstances to do battle with an enemy they had never seen. Yes, the Nazi regime was a pagan death cult doomed to failure, but the non-political members of the German armed forces were obligated to serve at the pleasure of the Nazi elite ruling class, and it was highly unlikely at that point of the war they would be taunting their enemy, relentlessly searching for them in far faster and deadlier vessels. So yes, the film was deeply unfair to the Germans, who with the exception of the SS were duty-bound to follow their country’s battle for survival. Add to this unfair depiction of the enemy to validate the hell the good guys were about to unleash on them, and what we are faced with is the characterization of an adversary so innately evil as to be almost comical. Somebody should have been cautioning Mr. Hanks that his film’s integrity was on the line, but that someone was seemingly not at hand. Other self-serving elements in the screenplay include the portrayal of a “green” commander, who in real life would have been 30 years younger than Hanks. And on top of that, his portrayal of a novice commander encountering the north Atlantic killing zone for the first time, was so unrealistically successful - killing the crews of veteran u-boat sailors - it leaves a foul taste in the mouth even of those who are aware how existentially mandatory it was to defeat the Nazis. There was no need to pile on the allegations that the Allies’ foes were scoundrels who delighted in murdering their adversaries. What we have then, is a fundamentally flawed motion picture that for all its hyper-realism cops out in the end by depicting the whole adventure as a struggle between good and evil. In the broader, historical sense it no doubt was, but played out in the context of cruel u-boat murderers of civilians against God-fearing neophytes who somehow get almost everything right in their first sortie, this movie is asking too much of me to suspend my disbelief and cheer Tom on. And so while I acknowledge my enjoyment of the non-stop intensity of the screenplay, and Hanks’s committed performance, this ultimately unsavory depiction of the conflict left me disappointed rather than satisfied. I could only conclude that the dehumanizing hell that is war brings out the worst in us all.
Very much agree with your comment. In 1942 the tides in the U boat war had already turned and the german submariners knew too well they were on the losing end. At the end of the war 75% of german submariners had lost their life. This was a death toll rarely seen in any other arms of the service. The assumption that in light of this bitter fight for survival a U boat commander would play stupid games against an allied destroyer is just ludicrous.
Down and dirty combat in the north Atlantic. The loser ends up in that cold ocean. Scary. My dad was a kid in WWII - there were 3 merchant seamen from his town. Two were killed on the Murmansk Run.
Never hear the helm order Meet Her used before. Meet Her is when the ship is in a turn and you want to slow the rate of the turn but not stop it. Like in a situation like this, steering by seaman's eye. When you get the heading you want you yell Steady, the helmsman will look and reply "Steady course ___" and stop the turn.
@@Yamato-tp2kf Nope, it is a helm order and it is still used today to slow the turn of a ship. I was a master helmsman in the USN and a JOOD. It's only used when you are steering by eye, in other words trying to visually select a heading. If you are turning to port and want to steady on a new course then once you are on the mark you look at the compass and the command is Steady 165, and the helmsman will bring the ship to that heading.
Still in use today in the Royal Navy - it effectively means stop the turn, thereby bringing a random course to the lubber's line and meeting or steadying on it. The helmsman would usually announce the course he stops the turn on, after it stabilises.
@@ginskimpivot753 Thanks for the backup. Same in the USN except we mean to slow the swing because we are conning by seaman's eye and we are close to the target course but not there yet. If you hear Meet Her at HDG 233 you can bet you'll be steadying up quickly
A German U-boat Commander taunting an attacking destroyer? There is absolutely no precedence for this kind of thing, it’s simply fiction on a comic book level.
My grandfather served in the Merchant Marine. Thought he was clever, who sinks cargo ships? The enemy, the enemy sinks cargo ships. He said you'd be sailing along and suddenly a ship would explode and sink.
@@ChinmayKalapur if the sea was glassy smooth and the torpedo was set too shallow... maybe... but in the Atlantic swell, particularly in the weather conditions in that scene... no way, nor with the sonars of the day with the ship throwing itself around like that in those seas - @gary7vn is spot on. I've fired similar whitehead style torpedoes from a diesel submarine and been the OOW of a frigate with exercise torpedoes fired at her. ...
Das Boot would go deep and go to silent running. Twisting and turning to avoid depth charges. The destroyer would keep them from surfacing. Underwater they were very slow. After a time the destroyer would have another ship continue the assault or it would speed off to rejoin the convoy.
Is it a coincidence how Greyhound and Grey Wolf have names so similar to one another? I mean, both their names starts with "Grey" and the two animals Greyhound and wolf are both canine species.
Going off what golden said seeing how the greyhound is defending a supply convoy and such that makes sense because without the dog/hound, it would be like a wolf among lambs.
Overall it's very good and the vast majority of details about the period destroyer tactics are correct. The U-Boat skipper taunting them, and the others putting their boats so conspicuously at risk in 1942 is not. U-Boat skippers did not surface, get surrounded by escorts, and attempt to fight it out with their deck guns at close range.
The survival rate of German U-Boat crews was shocking. I recall 9/10 not surviving the war, due to overwhelming Allied naval power in terms of numbers, firepower and countermeasures (sonar, hedgehogs, cracking the ENIGMA code, air support via carriers, etc.). The Type VII U-Boat was also tiny compared to what the Americans had in the Pacific, i.e. the Balao and Gato class fleet submarines. The Type XXI could've been a game changer for the Germans, but its production started too late and basically never saw action. Once the Allies got their shit together, the Germans were essentially doomed to die in steel coffins.
This was a mistake the Nazis made over and over again. They liked to be able to say, "We have the best submarine...the best tank...the best fighter plane...etc." and maybe they did, but the Allies had gone beyond that to a systematic approach that attacked every aspect of war-fighting capacity. (Flawed but interesting book: "Engineers of Victory," by Paul Kennedy.) I remember hearing it was said before the war that Germany was a nation of warriors and the USA was a nation of shopkeepers, but shopkeepers know how important it is to keep the right inventory in stock and get it delivered on time...
Of all the armed service branches in all the militaries of WWII, the German submarine service lost the greatest percentage of men per number that served. It was a relatively small number of sailors who had a huge casualty rate.
@ I toured the USS Slater last summer I was very impressed with the care that they taken to preserve the ship. Also it was a very powerful little ship, with the removal of the torpedo tubes they put in addition 20 and 40mm anti air guns
Been wondering, will the torpedo explode if the torp's pistol set to magnetic influence instead of impact pistol? Or magnetic influence needs to be about one meter beneath the target ship's keel to be triggered?
I know the US magnetic exploders were designed to go off under the hull, but were awfully unreliable for a long time. German designs could be better, I'm unsure, I do know that generally want a good angle on the broadside for a contact pistol, and a good shot under the keel for magnetics. I don't know if it would go off on the side of the vessel, or if it would be forceful enough to cause significant damage. Under the keel magnetics rely on a column of violently rising water to "break the back of the ship", I don't know if it would work off the broadside of one.
Magnetic influence just needs to be one meter away from chunk of a metal. It wouldve gone off and probably blow a hole in a destroyer. Torpedo mustve been a dud or for some reason it couldnt have magnetic fuse. Because magnetic is the way against destroyers
@@rinkashikachi yeah, easy answer.. Plot armor... Although just supposed the torp did the job and sink this destroyer, Tom Hanks could be rescued by another destroyer or PBY Catalina or Sunderland and after spending some much needed recuperating time, got assigned a new destroyer to command, and start hunting down this U-boat on a wild goose chase with a spirit of avenged his crews personal vendetta kinda otoh the very U-boat had established a very fierce reputation as one of Kriegmarine's alpha dog.. The devourer of Allied shipping.. Donning the emblems of wolves and kraken on her sail..
They didn't go for realism in this movie regarding that. But you're right, by the late war impact detonators were less used as mag. ones were more reliable by then.
filmed on - (wikipedia not me) USS Kidd (DD-661), a Fletcher-class destroyer, was the first ship of the United States Navy to be named after Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, who died on the bridge of his flagship USS Arizona during the 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Admiral Kidd was the first US flag officer to die during World War II and the first American admiral ever to be killed in action.[3] A National Historic Landmark, she is now a museum ship, berthed on the Mississippi River in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and is the only surviving US destroyer still in her World War II configuration. She is one of four remaining Fletcher-Class Destroyer ships in the world. Greyhound was fictional but based on as far as know genuine experince on board a fletcher class ..... great movie .. as is das boot if you get a chance -- high res editors cut -- zimmer soundtrack etc
If you're stupid enough to think that the sounds were coming from the u-boats and not part of the movies soundtrack for atmospheric purposes, then that's on you.
But you can get a free trial and watch the movie then cancel. Only sad thing is its only an hour 30 long, watching the clips on UA-cam pretty much covers it all except for dialogue and minor plot things.
For those curious as to why the U boat surfaced here, or the later one that gets into a gun duel with the escort ships, it was actually a standard procedure of experienced U boat commanders to come up to the surface and get in close to escort ships. This served a couple purposes, but the main one was, if the U boat was hit while on the surface, odds are the crew of it had a better chance to escape. What's more, depending on the type of escort ship they were fighting, then they may be equally matched in firepower. While Greyhound is a fletcher class in the movie, in the book (which was based on a number of actual convoy actions) the Greyhound would have been an 'older' Mahan class destroyer. Mahans were an older design, with less armor plating, and a different fire control when compared with the later, and more modern, Fletcher class of destroyer. In an even fight between a Mahan, and a well experienced Uboat captain, odds were about even whether the submarine would win a surface duel, or the destroyer would. In comparison, the Flower class Corvettes like Dickie, only had a single 4 inch forward gun mounted, and were much slower, though more agile than the destroyers. In a surface duel with a Flower, the deck was stacked decidedly in the favor of the U-boat, as long as the captain could get in close under the gun of the Flower. It should be noted that though spectacular, the explosion of the U boat at 3:40, was uncommon, if not highly unlikely. There is nothing overly sensitive at the point which the Greyhound hit the submarine, at least nothing present which would cause such a spectacular explosion in the water. More likely is the submarine would take several hits and then start slipping under the water from flooding. Sadly, that doesn't make for an exciting movie.
Great movie. I came at it from the other angle, through the book Battle of the Atlantic by Ted Barris. The forward was by Gordon Laco, RCN (Ret'd) who was the advisor to Tom hanks for the movie Greyhound. It is an eye opening read.
Why were the u boats coming out of the water in this scene and in the trailer can someone explain, u thought the whole point of a submarine is that they stay submerged under water and use stealth to their advantage to torpedo enemies, not pop out of the water to flank a ship like it looks. Someone explain!!
If a submarine is damaged, like the one in this scene was, it has to come up for air or the crew will drown and the ship will sink due to water coming in. All of the U-Boats in the movie that were engaged out of water had been damaged.
@@astronautindisguise it should also be pointed out that they also tend to surface to keep up with the convoy as they move slower while submerged, which is why scenes like the night attack where favord by u boats as they could surface and keep pace with the convoys while causing havoc under the cover of darkness.
Did you miss the part of the video were the top of the U-boat literally exploded after getting hit by a canon shell while underwater? They didn’t choose to surface. They were forced to.
I think Hanks is as obsessed with WWII as any middle-aged dad out there! (he's stared in, produced and otherwise guided a lot of the best content out there from Saving Private Ryan to Band of Brothers to this gem (among others). I say this as a middle-aged dad also obsessed with WWII history... my dad actually fought in the Battle of the Atlantic (on a Canadian destroyer-escort, aka corvette).
His character speaks from a script. Hanks did not just make up the words on the spot. He is a great actor but good roles and good writing have made him the star he is. Also have to give him credit for taking such good roles. At lot of actors jump at everything and anything that comes along. Something to do with eating I believe. Hanks can and does pick and choose and does it very well indeed.
@@paulcarey1708 I just saw the full movie just before writing this comment and saw in the credits that Hanks did, in fact, write the screenplay. At least he got credit for it. So when you, as an actor, are reading the words you yourself wrote, as a screenplay writer, doesn't that give you a big "leg up" in understanding the emotions of the character speaking the lines? I suspect so.
I asked Drachinifel that in a recent vid...don't remember the answer -- or which vid it was -- but left and right ARE used...likely more for brevity under stress. I seem to recall he said it depended on the navy and the era.
Win by Attrition: A war of attrition is a military strategy in which one side tries to cause the other to lose so many soldiers and to have so much military equipment destroyed that the enemy forces are worn down until they collapse. To kill or be killed.
Cool scene but did they say 'right hard rudder' in Naval parlance? Wasn't it 'port' or 'starboard' commands. Or did they dumb it down for contemporary audiences.
The music was great... helped build the suspense and all that... but I can't help but wonder what it would be like with strictly just the sounds of battle.
The war scenes were amazing. But the story was a bit off, I don’t imagine u boats targeting war boats, or purposely jeopardizing their location by giving off radio signals. Their torpedos alone were worth more than a sinking of a destroyer, or corvette
Destroyers were targeted at times. Fletchers were larger, modern, and dangerous ships by destroyer standards, well worth a few torpedoes given the chance. But they were fast and maneuverable making them difficult to hit. The one error in this scene is as soon as Grey Wolf fired she should have done a crash dive.
@@Cholin3947 I just don't agree, but I'm no historian. I believe the most that these u boats carried were handful of torpedos. Even on a practical level, targeting a warship that is more nimble and having personnel and equipment to detect torpedos so they can manuever away, as opposed to a large cargo ship that will contribute way more to the war effort. I can forsee a u boat attacking a warship if it had no other chance, but to select one out of many targets seems unproductive.
You are right. Submarines targeted destroyers only on very seldom occasions and would never attack a destroyer in this situation. Later in the war german uboats hat accoustic homing torpedos which would be used against destroyers but the primary target was always to target the merchant shipping and avoid contact to destroyers. The action in this movie is not very realstic to be honest.
@@Gelbwurst American Pacific submariners would be more aggressive against Jap destroyers than German ones typically. Or at least there were those that would try hunting them.
My father was US Merchant Marine then US Navy on a subchaser USS PC-1237. Torpedoed twice, once in the Caribbean and a second time in the Mediterranean. This gives some perspective on how miraculous his survival was...by the way, PC-1237 had FOUR torpedoes in its torpedo nets when it pulled into port (Malta, I believe). 🫡
My Moms brother served on a U- Boat . She said he came home on leave in ‘42 , and said things were rough , and don’t expect him to survive . Was lost with all hands in February of ‘43 .
Good riddance. He was a nazi and on the evil side of history.
was the u boat ever located
I was on a Sub Tender based in Scotland during the cold war ( we took care of Sub repairs).. They were always on the lookout for volunteers to join "the silent service". The Subs moored alongside us in the harbor and simply crossing the deck on one of those boats gave me claustrophobia. Being in blind combat would have been unbearable. Sorry for your families' loss.
If and when you honor his memory, do find some room for the countless dead he and his crew we’re responsible for
@alyssatipton5080. He was an evil nazi and doesn’t deserve to be honored. You are right about his/his crew’s victims needing to be honored, though.
I remember someone, a veteran RCN commander saying that they were happy to destroy an enemy vessel, but could never celebrate the killing of men.
All sailors know that the real enemy is the sea.
I knew a man who served on HMS Rodney and took part in the sinking of the Bismarck. He said that there was no cheering when Bismarck stopped firing and it was clear she was done for, only relief. He knew they had just killed a lot of young men like themselves.
@@Kevin-mx1vi Yeah a pretty common saying among naval crews was" when we stop fighting each we starting fighting the sea"
@@glenchapman3899 Indeed. My wife's dad served as a sub-lieutenant on destroyers and corvettes during the war, and told me about their having to hack ice from the ship's upper works to prevent it from capsizing when on the Arctic convoys. That's quite a frightening prospect when you think about it.
@@Kevin-mx1vi Yeah I have seen that sort of thing on Deadliest Catch. Definitely not a way I would like to spend a day at work
We had a similar situation during a Sarajevo air lift back in the winter of 92-93. Wind blowing 40 kts with sleet and snow accumulating on the superstructure. USS Kalamazoo AOR-6
A brilliant movie.
I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.
Really? You knew they were going to win the whole time though. This is called greyhound not grey wolf.
Liberal's will never understand what it mean's to EARN you're freedom buddy!
@@LunarKn1ght a "win" can be many different scenarios. A lot of those cargo and troop ships in the convoy were destroyed. There was also no guarantee for the other destroyers of the escort group. There is also the matter of if all the UBoats are destroyed of if some especially Greywolf get away to harass the next convoy.
Knowing a single fact about the end of the movie from the title by no means deminishes the suspense of the events during the movie
@@KreacherServes When the advertisements show a lot of the ending you kind of do. You knew that the U-Boats were going to lose, and the Allies were going to win. Suspense is created by a sense of not knowing the outcome. But we knew the outcome from the very title. Nobody is going to make a movie where the Nazis win and the Allies lose, especially when the movie is about an Escort Destroyer.
@@LunarKn1ght Do you not know how to read? I already explained how there are still many unknown outcomes in my last reply.
Again the "win" can take many many different forms. Anywhere from a total win to a barely Survived win. He could have made it through without losing a single ship or made it through with just Greyhound left limping into port while having destroyed all the Uboats. Both can be considered a Win.
Also the advertisements didn't even show much at all lol. It showed a couple action scenes and that's about it.
You dont know what the outcome of the movie is from the ads or even knowing that Greyhound survives. Shit the adds didnt even show if Greyhound survives or not for all you know they take a hit for another ship and have to abandon the ship and the crew has to get picked up
I don't give a fig about accuracy or not, THAT is one exciting piece of film. Excellent.
The movie is extremely accurate
@@blackhatfreak Hanks is a certified war-history nut and he wrote the screenplay, so betting you're right. Wish my dad had a chance to see this ... would have loved to hear what he had to say (a vet of the Battle of the Atlantic).
@@blackhatfreak The only inaccuracy was the German sub taunting over the radio. and the fact Fletchers were not operating in the Atlantic at the time of the film. Both easily excused for movie making reasons.
@@blackhatfreak you mean u boats breaking radio silence to communicate with enemy or uboats trying to pick a gun fight when on surcace? or uboats keeping attacking destroyers when they should wait for civilian ships in ambush and then try to move away only fighting escort when absolutely necessery? Accuracy my ass. Still a good movie but come on
@@TheJaskier666🤓
03:06 Bofors 40mm best moment... I love that weapon!!!
And of course the worst nightmare for the U-boats: the PBY Catalina!!!
40mm bofors are effing useless against a sub at periscope depth.I
@@csjrogerson2377 But it's not because of that that I like that weapon...
Speaking as a retired P-3 pilot, notice how everything changes when the airplane shows up.
@@jw4513 Specially if it's armed with ASW weaponry ...
@@csjrogerson2377 Put yourself in the shoes of someone trying to use the periscope while 40mm bofors rounds are landing around the thing. Even if they can't hit the sub, the splashes are still making it difficult to actually see your target, which in turn makes it hard to get an accurate torpedo shot. You also have to worry about the fact that there may very well be aircraft with depth charges coming at you as well, so now you're rushing to get the shot off and crash dive.
just like for an infantryman. Doesn't matter if the bullets are .50bmg or .22lr, when they're zipping past your head, the "I really don't want to be here" feeling is quite strong.
This was a very good movie. I really enjoyed it. I watched it again with my dad who served in the Navy during Vietnam and he was literally sitting on the edge of his couch seat the entire movie. I don't think I have ever seen him so caught up in a movie before.
I've been waiting for it to show up on Netflix or Prime or even rental and so far nothing. I wondered if it was a bad movie.
@@zephyer-gp1juit’s an Apple movie so it’s gonna stay on appletv+
@@zephyer-gp1ju it was produced by Apple so it went straight to Apple TV and is still there included in any Apple TV subscription. I think you can subscribe and watch on other non-Apple devices. You might be able to get a free trial so you can watch.
It's riveting for us former sailors on these smaller combatants because it brings back memories of being on their ship. Even if they've never been in combat, they always imagine what could've happened. (USN, retired)
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Grey Wolf is like some of the people you encounter in online games. Likes to talk shit but gets stomped on in the end.
So the super villain😂
You’re not wrong, especially in the context of history.
@@roberthuffer6591 fun fact - germans didn't do that stupid talk... they just struck and went away if possible.
this is a movie - not a documentary
Just watched this last night....loved it. I loved that it was nonstop suspense/action/maritime warfare. Gives a glimpse of what these men went through and how they were always on edge while escorting ships.
A lot of the Canadian convoy escort ships (destroyer escorts/corvettes) were about 1/4 the displacement of the destroyer portrayed in Greyhound. So... bobbing like a cork on the North Atlantic, and your job is to get between the UBoats and their prey. The battle of the Atlantic was, according to many serious historians, the one battle Hitler couldn't lose.
Those ships in WW2 didn't had the time to rest during the passage of the Black pit (5 days without air cover in the beginning and then slowing being reduced to 0 days without air cover when the allies introduced the hunter killer groups that were escorting the convoys a few nautical miles behind the convoy with light carriers with TBF avengers adapted to ASW and a lot of cruisers and Destroyers...)
But the allies had a ace upon their sleeve: the HFD AKA Huff Duff designed to detect high frequency radio and enigma code transmissions from the U-Boats, the allied convoys would be immediately in high alert as soon they detected a U-Boat transmission either by radio or enigma code.
@@Yamato-tp2kf didnt know that. gives me something to look up and learn about. thanks!
@@absolutetuber Yup. Although it should be noted that you'd only get a search area, which would be the equivilent of looking for a sniper under a bed of autumn leaves in a Soccer (football) field. The action pin-pointing of the sub required use of hydrophones and insane amounts of luck with many Mk1 Eyeballs and binoculars.
Such a badass moment when they dodge those two close call torpedoes and then charge the Greywolf with guns blazing. You can almost feel the Greyhounds rage.
Less rage, more like kill or be killed.
Fun fact the torpedoes irl qt that time had more sensitive fused when fired to prevent bouncing
@@danielfurnell9449factually incorrect
Yes and no most torpedoes could bounce but the German torpedoes at that angle would det on that angle there fuses would be sensitive enough @blackhatfreak
My family's from Liverpool, and I spent the first seven or eight years with my grandparents in the 1970's. My nan, who was in her late teens/early 20's during the war, lost three brothers in the North Atlantic. Her eldest brother, Thomas, was her favourite - he was the oldest of 12 kids, she was the baby of the family, and he was the first lieutenant on a destroyer that went down in 1944. The othrer two brothers, Bill and Jack were in the merchant marine and she didn't know much about how they went. You didn't have much chance in the North Atlantic. This destroyer seems to be pretty well specced. In fact many had an open bridge and compass platform. God knows what that was like somewhere between the Hebrides and Newfoundland in January.
imagine being in a u boat during the war
12 children? Amazing effort!
@@burtlangoustine1 Liverpool Irish catholics, pretty poor, it was the way of things at the time, it seems.
Watch a film called "The Cruel Sea" similar British/Canadian ship called The Compass Rose. Remarkable for how it expressed the horror so close to WW2
@@therealunclevanya I know the film. I've looked everywhere and simply cannot find it online. It's interesting in that it could almost be a training film, in that we see a new crew come together from civvy street and learn to runa fighting ship. Wonderful movie.
3:16 these shots of Greyhound firing full broadside really gives you an idea of why they're called destroyers.
The 5 inch dual purpose was a nasty weapon. Later on they were radar controlled and could fire all at once and FAST. Most had torpedoes too.
I did not realize she had 5 turrets - that's some firepower.
The US destroyer shown in this film is assumed to be the USS Kidd, as it was the same vessel the movie was filmed on.
USS Kidd is a Fletcher Class Destroyer, widely considered one of if not the best destroyer class used in World War II, they had considerable firepower with 5 5-in. Dual-Purpose Guns in 5 separate turrets, 10 21-in. Torpedo Launchers, and an insurmountable amount of AA by wars end.
The Fletchers put the "destroy" in destroyers at the time.
@@enterprisethesylveon5787 And also the most produced ship in WW2, with more than 100 build in 4 years, after the war, half were sold to many countries...
@@Yamato-tp2kf Including to the ones they use to fight against, 6 to West Germany, 3 to Italy and 2 to Japan.
looks like a movie worth watching
I'm real picky with movies. And I give this one a definite Thumbs Up.
Well, do you have your "breast removal scars". You have to be modern day audience, inclusive, to watch it. BTW watch The Enemy Below (1957). Same damn plot!!!!!!!
Aside from the main ship being a destroyer, and the enemy’s being u boats, they’re not the same at all. Not in the slightest.
The CGI effects are outstanding. Especially when compared with Masters of the Air.
I'm gonna take a stab and say greyhound had a shorter production time too
You do realize they used all practical effects
Tom Hanks did an amazing job with this movie. I absolutely love it. Very realistic in its showing of what escorts had to deal with and very tense both during action and quiet scenes
The idea that a U-boat crew would break precious radio silence to taunt an enemy ship was hardly realistic. It was ludicrous
@@Mat-threw did I say everything? Some bits are for movies sake idiot. And besides, how do you know it never happened in real life? They knew the subs were there anyways
@@Mat-threw jumping on the same high frequency channel that the entire convoy was using, while covered by darkness, was almost zero risk.
Very realistic? A uboat surfacing right infront of an enemy destroyer? The scene with the radio was just complete bullshit. The paintings on the Uboats were utter bullshit. Could go on with this for ever. Its far from beeing anywhere near realistic
@@Aspengc879 except giving up your advantage that the convoy doesmt know if youre there or not until the first ship is sunk. Also sailors used to value the lives of their enemys, they wanted to destroy the ships and not take the lives of their crews. The film doesnt potray how much suffering there was on both sides at all.
Pity they could not capture the Greywolf’s crew. Want to see the guy who did the wolf sound over the radio
Who sounded at the radio of the Greywolf cause i dunno the voice of the person?
Who sounded at the radio of Greyhound from Greywolf cuz i dunno who voiced it?
@@jayllow01 Thomas Kretschmann had a cameo appearance
Ketschmann has played numerous characters in World War II movies
It could be Christof Walz the guy from inglorious basterds. This movie really gives credit how intense and f up the crossing was. Dicki and many other saved so many souls. May they always be remembered. F the fascist and left Sozialist the nazis where. F these cowards. Amen 🙏
@@NicGoldenEddie it wasn’t him
I have NEVER heard of this movie. It looks amazing.
Was supposed to be released at theatres in 2020 but streamed on Apple+ due to the pandemic.
Loved the part of this scene where after the captain gives the command you see literally every gun barrel on the ship begin to swing around and it looked awesome when you got a quick glimpse of every single gun on the ship opening fire on the U-Boat, everything from the 20mm AA guns right up to the 5 inch main battery guns, it looked like a literal wall of fire was being thrown out at the enemy submarine. world class movie, thoroughly enjoyed it.
At the beginning, in the station, he says "...after years of being 'fitted' and 'retained'... This was about so many good officers being retired during the Great Depression. He was, by the USN, considered "fit" for command and "retained" on active duty. He was the cream of the crop of those waiting in the wings. Full props to the moviemakers for knowing this and including it.
"We’ll ram that U-boat if we have to!" 😍
Many Destroyer Captains had that mentality. They were gonna sink that bugger if they had to ram it
It was a good trade.
Fun fact, a Canadian corvette actually managed it, the crew even boarded the U-boat in an attempt to take it as a prize.
I saw the movie the other day, its a great film well worth watching!
This movie helped me through the depression of 2021
This is Hanks’ most underrated film bc it wasn’t character driven but just as impactful and a tension packed action drama as you’ll ever find.
2:55
Captain's really pissed at this part. Turning the ship to hit the sub broadside is like him saying "Drop everything on that motherfvcker!!!"
renember than in WW1 RMS Olympic actually sank an uboat by ramming it.. despite being one of the biggest ships in the world it was capable of doing over 21 knots where uboats where much slower.. once the uboat attack failed if she couldnt dive in time it was keel fodder
This movie is so well made, one of my favorite war movies.
Grey Wolf was taunting him too. He never answered to give his position away. Greyhound was formidable and did a great job. Sadly no one had thought about aircraft flying off modified ship in the middle of Atlantic to get the u boats in the black pit. An area where no planes could reach back then. Nowadays even Ryanair could reach
Later in the war, more escort aircraft carriers were built, along with very-long-range bombers, closing the Black Pit.
Grey Wolf already knew Greyhound's position. They knew Greyhound's position for most of the film.
It's not so much "they never thought;" it's more like they have no way of knowing there's an aircraft above them due to the limits of their technology. Often times crew have to be on deck, out of water, to be able to look straight up into the sky because the periscope can only stay at about horizon eye-level. And in the heat of battle, the thought of aircraft becomes the least of their concerns.
@@girl1213 technical shortcoming for sure. One of the the things I've heard is the WW1 ships didn't have ANY machiune guns on them that would go UP to shoot at planes.
So dive bombers had a field day. They didn't have planes when the ships were designed.
The problem wasn't flying planes off of modified ships but the planes getting back on board the ship. Even when they used float planes off of battleships and heavy cruisers they weren't armed with anything. They were only used as a spotter for the main guns.
Tom is best!!!! Such an outstanding actor one of the best in our lifetime!!!
What a brilliant movie ...they didn't have much accuracy in those days but we had the firepower.
Good 'ol Horsepower and Gunpowder
Limited accuracy? Fire more rounds! *Some* of them will hit.
Fletcher class destroyers were actually surprisingly accurate against surface naval targets with the Mark 1A computerized fire control system. It was one of the reasons for the lopsided US victory in the Battle off Samar--US destroyers running wild zig zags at flank speed were landing 5in shots all over the superstructures of the Japanese cruisers (which, to be fair, were large targets compared with this scenario).
This was an amazing movie to watch. Especially as a Submariner.
I can imagine the many weeks in Post Production it took to craft this sequence so damn well.
i think this is the first movie to get the 40mm bofors firing sync correct
"We'll ram that u-boat if we have to!" thats probably the best quote in Greyhound yet
This WWII high-seas drama is a milestone in Tom Hanks’s career. His bravura performance, central to nearly every scene in the film, would on its own make him worthy of acknowledgment for living up to the highest standards of his profession.
And then we find out Hanks co-wrote the screenplay! This to my mind is an even more extraordinary achievement than his performance as an actor. Hanks is too young to have known first-hand the existential, downright primordial day-to-day life of mariners on both sides of Great Britain’s fight to survive being over-run by Nazi forces. It’s been kept quiet, but in Britain many were eager to seek some kind of agreement with the Nazis, an attitude Churchill (and Roosevelt) found to be even more despicable than what the Germans were up to.
At this point of the war, the scales were finally being tipped away from the u-boats and in favor of the Allies, who had come to understand that merchant ships were much safer crossing the dreaded North Atlantic in convoys, protected by fighting ships that could keep the submarine wolf packs at bay.
The u-boats’ greatest advantage, stealth, was in that year being undone by technology - radar detection of vessels on the surface, and Asdic, a form of radar that detected vessels that were submerged. The once invincible “wolf packs” of a half dozen or more submarines, trolling above the waterline like regular boats, could in one night sink a dozen or more merchant ships, condemning every civilian sailor in them to a terrible death in the icy waters of the North Atlantic, knowing they would never be buried in their homeland.
With all this in mind, you might want to be aware Hanks’s character was commanding the most fearsome type of destroyer, the Fletcher class, the Germans had ever faced.
A Fletcher-class destroyer was fast, and loaded with killing power thanks to its lethal combination of torpedos and 5” guns, either of which weapons system was capable of sinking a u-boat on its own.
At this pivotal moment in the battle for the North Atlantic, most of the Germans were stuck in the early-generation subs that were around at the onset of war in 1939. They were completely outclassed and out-gunned by the Allied warships assigned to protect the merchant ships carrying the necessities of daily life - food, clothing, and so on - the Great Britain so desperately needed to withstand the onslaught of the Nazis.
And so the depiction of the convoy’s vulnerability to submarine attack in this film was somewhat disingenuous. I understand the requirement for artistic license in conveying to a comfortably seated audience the terrors of war. But when Hanks introduces the u-boat commander’s boorish insults by radio to the Allies listening in, he crosses the line.
Anyone who watched Das Boot understands how equally desperate were the u-boat sailors to survive what was to be the deadliest battlefield of the war.
The radio’d taunts directed at Hanks’s character by the murderous u-boat commander descend to the level of ad hominem demonizing of serving German submariners. This characterization was below the belt - an unwholesomely gratuitous validation of what the u-boat crews were about to endure at the hands of their”victims.”
The reality was, none of them wanted to be there, but were forced by circumstances to do battle with an enemy they had never seen. Yes, the Nazi regime was a pagan death cult doomed to failure, but the non-political members of the German armed forces were obligated to serve at the pleasure of the Nazi elite ruling class, and it was highly unlikely at that point of the war they would be taunting their enemy, relentlessly searching for them in far faster and deadlier vessels.
So yes, the film was deeply unfair to the Germans, who with the exception of the SS were duty-bound to follow their country’s battle for survival.
Add to this unfair depiction of the enemy to validate the hell the good guys were about to unleash on them, and what we are faced with is the characterization of an adversary so innately evil as to be almost comical. Somebody should have been cautioning Mr. Hanks that his film’s integrity was on the line, but that someone was seemingly not at hand.
Other self-serving elements in the screenplay include the portrayal of a “green” commander, who in real life would have been 30 years younger than Hanks. And on top of that, his portrayal of a novice commander encountering the north Atlantic killing zone for the first time, was so unrealistically successful - killing the crews of veteran u-boat sailors - it leaves a foul taste in the mouth even of those who are aware how existentially mandatory it was to defeat the Nazis. There was no need to pile on the allegations that the Allies’ foes were scoundrels who delighted in murdering their adversaries.
What we have then, is a fundamentally flawed motion picture that for all its hyper-realism cops out in the end by depicting the whole adventure as a struggle between good and evil. In the broader, historical sense it no doubt was, but played out in the context of cruel u-boat murderers of civilians against God-fearing neophytes who somehow get almost everything right in their first sortie, this movie is asking too much of me to suspend my disbelief and cheer Tom on. And so while I acknowledge my enjoyment of the non-stop intensity of the screenplay, and Hanks’s committed performance, this ultimately unsavory depiction of the conflict left me disappointed rather than satisfied. I could only conclude that the dehumanizing hell that is war brings out the worst in us all.
Very much agree with your comment. In 1942 the tides in the U boat war had already turned and the german submariners knew too well they were on the losing end. At the end of the war 75% of german submariners had lost their life. This was a death toll rarely seen in any other arms of the service.
The assumption that in light of this bitter fight for survival a U boat commander would play stupid games against an allied destroyer is just ludicrous.
His greatest performance was being the first celebrity Covid case.
Gee, I thought it was just a book turned into a movie. Such depth in the analysis. Wow.
Down and dirty combat in the north Atlantic. The loser ends up in that cold ocean. Scary. My dad was a kid in WWII - there were 3 merchant seamen from his town. Two were killed on the Murmansk Run.
The Murmansk run and the convoys to Malta were the worst supply routes in losses.
Never hear the helm order Meet Her used before. Meet Her is when the ship is in a turn and you want to slow the rate of the turn but not stop it. Like in a situation like this, steering by seaman's eye. When you get the heading you want you yell Steady, the helmsman will look and reply "Steady course ___" and stop the turn.
This was a US Navy term for steady course that was used until the 1950's ( from what I remember reading in a book)
@@Yamato-tp2kf Nope, it is a helm order and it is still used today to slow the turn of a ship. I was a master helmsman in the USN and a JOOD. It's only used when you are steering by eye, in other words trying to visually select a heading. If you are turning to port and want to steady on a new course then once you are on the mark you look at the compass and the command is Steady 165, and the helmsman will bring the ship to that heading.
@@jerlewis4291 ok... Thanks for clarifying???
Still in use today in the Royal Navy - it effectively means stop the turn, thereby bringing a random course to the lubber's line and meeting or steadying on it. The helmsman would usually announce the course he stops the turn on, after it stabilises.
@@ginskimpivot753 Thanks for the backup. Same in the USN except we mean to slow the swing because we are conning by seaman's eye and we are close to the target course but not there yet. If you hear Meet Her at HDG 233 you can bet you'll be steadying up quickly
A German U-boat Commander taunting an attacking destroyer? There is absolutely no precedence for this kind of thing, it’s simply fiction on a comic book level.
It's not Comic level, it's Hollywood Bullshit
I must have watched it 6 times. Absolutely love it
I think I have watched it just as much as you have. 👍
My grandfather served in the Merchant Marine. Thought he was clever, who sinks cargo ships? The enemy, the enemy sinks cargo ships. He said you'd be sailing along and suddenly a ship would explode and sink.
This was the crew's first war patrol, first time working as a team in combat.
Not bad. In my 20 years at sea, throwing the ship around like that was usually during meal times, AKA "Officer if the watch manoeuvres". :-)
I rented that movie a half dozen times then they stopped doing it. Finally, I just bought it on DVD.
No way the sonar operator could hear a torpedo under those conditions.
Its day time so you can see the wake created by the torpedo
@@ChinmayKalapur if the sea was glassy smooth and the torpedo was set too shallow... maybe... but in the Atlantic swell, particularly in the weather conditions in that scene... no way, nor with the sonars of the day with the ship throwing itself around like that in those seas - @gary7vn is spot on. I've fired similar whitehead style torpedoes from a diesel submarine and been the OOW of a frigate with exercise torpedoes fired at her. ...
Das Boot would go deep and go to silent running. Twisting and turning to avoid depth charges. The destroyer would keep them from surfacing. Underwater they were very slow. After a time the destroyer would have another ship continue the assault or it would speed off to rejoin the convoy.
Is it a coincidence how Greyhound and Grey Wolf have names so similar to one another? I mean, both their names starts with "Grey" and the two animals Greyhound and wolf are both canine species.
It was definitely intentional to highlight the similarities between the two adversaries.
I think it's because we use dogs to take care our farm animals from predators like wolves
Not a coincidence. The book was written by a very good author. The Good Shepherd.
Going off what golden said seeing how the greyhound is defending a supply convoy and such that makes sense because without the dog/hound, it would be like a wolf among lambs.
*muffled torpedobeats playing in the distance*^^
I'm not sure about accuracy in this movie but it keeps you on your toes the entire time, very thrilling
Overall it's very good and the vast majority of details about the period destroyer tactics are correct. The U-Boat skipper taunting them, and the others putting their boats so conspicuously at risk in 1942 is not. U-Boat skippers did not surface, get surrounded by escorts, and attempt to fight it out with their deck guns at close range.
Shades of “The Enemy Below”.
Best naval warfare movie I’ve seen since Das Boot.
The survival rate of German U-Boat crews was shocking. I recall 9/10 not surviving the war, due to overwhelming Allied naval power in terms of numbers, firepower and countermeasures (sonar, hedgehogs, cracking the ENIGMA code, air support via carriers, etc.). The Type VII U-Boat was also tiny compared to what the Americans had in the Pacific, i.e. the Balao and Gato class fleet submarines. The Type XXI could've been a game changer for the Germans, but its production started too late and basically never saw action. Once the Allies got their shit together, the Germans were essentially doomed to die in steel coffins.
This was a mistake the Nazis made over and over again. They liked to be able to say, "We have the best submarine...the best tank...the best fighter plane...etc." and maybe they did, but the Allies had gone beyond that to a systematic approach that attacked every aspect of war-fighting capacity. (Flawed but interesting book: "Engineers of Victory," by Paul Kennedy.) I remember hearing it was said before the war that Germany was a nation of warriors and the USA was a nation of shopkeepers, but shopkeepers know how important it is to keep the right inventory in stock and get it delivered on time...
Of all the armed service branches in all the militaries of WWII, the German submarine service lost the greatest percentage of men per number that served. It was a relatively small number of sailors who had a huge casualty rate.
The last surviving destroyer escort is in Albany NY, USS Slater
And it has a fully restored, period correct CIC like the one where Stephen Graham's character was doing surface plots.
@ I toured the USS Slater last summer I was very impressed with the care that they taken to preserve the ship. Also it was a very powerful little ship, with the removal of the torpedo tubes they put in addition 20 and 40mm anti air guns
Always a good reminder for what our Forefathers went through.
"Alone. Unarmed. And unafraid."
- Overhead."
This movie is a masterpiece.
Been wondering, will the torpedo explode if the torp's pistol set to magnetic influence instead of impact pistol?
Or magnetic influence needs to be about one meter beneath the target ship's keel to be triggered?
I know the US magnetic exploders were designed to go off under the hull, but were awfully unreliable for a long time. German designs could be better, I'm unsure, I do know that generally want a good angle on the broadside for a contact pistol, and a good shot under the keel for magnetics. I don't know if it would go off on the side of the vessel, or if it would be forceful enough to cause significant damage. Under the keel magnetics rely on a column of violently rising water to "break the back of the ship", I don't know if it would work off the broadside of one.
Magnetic influence just needs to be one meter away from chunk of a metal. It wouldve gone off and probably blow a hole in a destroyer. Torpedo mustve been a dud or for some reason it couldnt have magnetic fuse. Because magnetic is the way against destroyers
@@rinkashikachi yeah, easy answer..
Plot armor...
Although just supposed the torp did the job and sink this destroyer, Tom Hanks could be rescued by another destroyer or PBY Catalina or Sunderland and after spending some much needed recuperating time, got assigned a new destroyer to command, and start hunting down this U-boat on a wild goose chase with a spirit of avenged his crews personal vendetta kinda otoh the very U-boat had established a very fierce reputation as one of Kriegmarine's alpha dog.. The devourer of Allied shipping..
Donning the emblems of wolves and kraken on her sail..
@@agurjaunak you are cringe
They didn't go for realism in this movie regarding that. But you're right, by the late war impact detonators were less used as mag. ones were more reliable by then.
I love this movie, so underrated.
My dad shepherded liberty ships for 4 years across the North Atlantic took him many years to talk about it.
I put the "Das Boot" theme over this scene and I am not disappointed at all.
filmed on - (wikipedia not me)
USS Kidd (DD-661),
a Fletcher-class destroyer, was the first ship of the United States Navy to be named after Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, who died on the bridge of his flagship USS Arizona during the 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
Admiral Kidd was the first US flag officer to die during World War II and the first American admiral ever to be killed in action.[3]
A National Historic Landmark, she is now a museum ship, berthed on the Mississippi River in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and is the only surviving US destroyer still in her World War II configuration. She is one of four remaining Fletcher-Class Destroyer ships in the world.
Greyhound was fictional but based on as far as know genuine experince on board a fletcher class ..... great movie .. as is das boot if you get a chance -- high res editors cut -- zimmer soundtrack etc
Best surface ship perspective warfare movie ever. How does Hanks keep getting winners?
I'm going to watch this again tonight
Bought this and have watched many times, a fantastic film
Ótimo filme e ótima interpretação de Tom Hanks. Adrenalina pura.
that destroyer would've exploded at 1:14 and at 1:50 .
magnetic torpedo fuses were a thing that worked when that movie took place...
Its cool how when the greyhound shot the u boat it had to go up because its pressure hull was damaged
Yeah, those bullet holes allow all that water to pour in.
I'm glad they were able to capture the whale sounds the u-boats made when they surfaced. 100% realistic
If you're stupid enough to think that the sounds were coming from the u-boats and not part of the movies soundtrack for atmospheric purposes, then that's on you.
save these precious creatures
Which is why you always fire a spread of torpedoes.
"The Grey Wolf is so very hungry! AWOOOO!!" Love that captain's determination despite the odds he was facing.
That seems to be a stunning film. I must see it.
Hatten die amerikanischen Seeleute zu dieser Zeit die Helme zur Verfügung?
Wish I could buy this movie. Its not even available on Amazon.
When is this coming to DVD? Or is it only on apple tv?
apple tv
But you can get a free trial and watch the movie then cancel.
Only sad thing is its only an hour 30 long, watching the clips on UA-cam pretty much covers it all except for dialogue and minor plot things.
For those curious as to why the U boat surfaced here, or the later one that gets into a gun duel with the escort ships, it was actually a standard procedure of experienced U boat commanders to come up to the surface and get in close to escort ships. This served a couple purposes, but the main one was, if the U boat was hit while on the surface, odds are the crew of it had a better chance to escape. What's more, depending on the type of escort ship they were fighting, then they may be equally matched in firepower. While Greyhound is a fletcher class in the movie, in the book (which was based on a number of actual convoy actions) the Greyhound would have been an 'older' Mahan class destroyer. Mahans were an older design, with less armor plating, and a different fire control when compared with the later, and more modern, Fletcher class of destroyer. In an even fight between a Mahan, and a well experienced Uboat captain, odds were about even whether the submarine would win a surface duel, or the destroyer would. In comparison, the Flower class Corvettes like Dickie, only had a single 4 inch forward gun mounted, and were much slower, though more agile than the destroyers. In a surface duel with a Flower, the deck was stacked decidedly in the favor of the U-boat, as long as the captain could get in close under the gun of the Flower.
It should be noted that though spectacular, the explosion of the U boat at 3:40, was uncommon, if not highly unlikely. There is nothing overly sensitive at the point which the Greyhound hit the submarine, at least nothing present which would cause such a spectacular explosion in the water. More likely is the submarine would take several hits and then start slipping under the water from flooding. Sadly, that doesn't make for an exciting movie.
U-boats that rose to the surface to duke it out with escorts had very short lives.
The Fletcher Destroyers were bad ass.
I did a shot of tequila every time Tom Hanks raised up his binoculars. I am in rehab now.
I read the book. Sadly the movie did not provide much backstory on the Characters. Which left many questions
When in real life are all the questions answered. In a book. Oh, wow.
Highly recommend The Ringed Horizon by Edmund Gilligan if you are a reading buff. An old racing Schooner and her crew against a vindictive U-Boat
Great movie. I came at it from the other angle, through the book Battle of the Atlantic by Ted Barris. The forward was by Gordon Laco, RCN (Ret'd) who was the advisor to Tom hanks for the movie Greyhound. It is an eye opening read.
Why were the u boats coming out of the water in this scene and in the trailer can someone explain, u thought the whole point of a submarine is that they stay submerged under water and use stealth to their advantage to torpedo enemies, not pop out of the water to flank a ship like it looks. Someone explain!!
If a submarine is damaged, like the one in this scene was, it has to come up for air or the crew will drown and the ship will sink due to water coming in. All of the U-Boats in the movie that were engaged out of water had been damaged.
@@astronautindisguise it should also be pointed out that they also tend to surface to keep up with the convoy as they move slower while submerged, which is why scenes like the night attack where favord by u boats as they could surface and keep pace with the convoys while causing havoc under the cover of darkness.
Hollywood.
It's because they are damaged, but U-boats didn't attack warships most of the time, only convoys
Did you miss the part of the video were the top of the U-boat literally exploded after getting hit by a canon shell while underwater? They didn’t choose to surface. They were forced to.
If Tom Hanks and Brad Pitt was alive in 1939 Hitler would have never dared to attack anyone after seeing any of their war movies...
"We ram that U-boat if we have to!!" that proven the capt had enough with the greywolf. Tom Hanks did amazing job in this movie
I think Hanks is as obsessed with WWII as any middle-aged dad out there! (he's stared in, produced and otherwise guided a lot of the best content out there from Saving Private Ryan to Band of Brothers to this gem (among others). I say this as a middle-aged dad also obsessed with WWII history... my dad actually fought in the Battle of the Atlantic (on a Canadian destroyer-escort, aka corvette).
His character speaks from a script. Hanks did not just make up the words on the spot. He is a great actor but good roles and good writing have made him the star he is. Also have to give him credit for taking such good roles. At lot of actors jump at everything and anything that comes along. Something to do with eating I believe. Hanks can and does pick and choose and does it very well indeed.
@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm technically, he did make up the words... Hanks wrote the screenplay
@@paulcarey1708 I just saw the full movie just before writing this comment and saw in the credits that Hanks did, in fact, write the screenplay. At least he got credit for it. So when you, as an actor, are reading the words you yourself wrote, as a screenplay writer, doesn't that give you a big "leg up" in understanding the emotions of the character speaking the lines? I suspect so.
He says. "Left," instead of, "Port." Is this a Hollywood touch or does it accurately describe situation(s)?
I asked Drachinifel that in a recent vid...don't remember the answer -- or which vid it was -- but left and right ARE used...likely more for brevity under stress. I seem to recall he said it depended on the navy and the era.
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Thanks, Sam
Tom Hanks is an awesome actor...
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Wicked. That crew is badass.
Win by Attrition: A war of attrition is a military strategy in which one side tries to cause the other to lose so many soldiers and to have so much military equipment destroyed that the enemy forces are worn down until they collapse. To kill or be killed.
If they released this on mainstream cable and dvd, it would make bazillions of moola.
Great movie
I can imagine that anti sub aircraft saying thanks for marking the sub yanks . Hello Jerry goodbye Jerry
Cool scene but did they say 'right hard rudder' in Naval parlance? Wasn't it 'port' or 'starboard' commands. Or did they dumb it down for contemporary audiences.
If you remember U571 movie, it was absolutely the opposite, one shoot, ship is dead.
In very few scenes the rough weather matches up with the interior shots.
It’s infuriating that you can’t even allow the video to play without covering it up with previews long before it’s finished
what does the cow say:moo
what does the tom hanks say:fire as they bear
Kill3rWolvesOfficial Tom Hanks more like "Wilson !!!!"
what does german captain say: aoooo aoooooo
I know it is only a movie, but that is some fine seamanship.
Its unfortunate that this film is only available on pay tv and not the theatre's
The music was great... helped build the suspense and all that... but I can't help but wonder what it would be like with strictly just the sounds of battle.
4:00 air cover air cover finally 😂
The war scenes were amazing. But the story was a bit off, I don’t imagine u boats targeting war boats, or purposely jeopardizing their location by giving off radio signals. Their torpedos alone were worth more than a sinking of a destroyer, or corvette
Destroyers were targeted at times. Fletchers were larger, modern, and dangerous ships by destroyer standards, well worth a few torpedoes given the chance. But they were fast and maneuverable making them difficult to hit.
The one error in this scene is as soon as Grey Wolf fired she should have done a crash dive.
@@Cholin3947 I just don't agree, but I'm no historian. I believe the most that these u boats carried were handful of torpedos. Even on a practical level, targeting a warship that is more nimble and having personnel and equipment to detect torpedos so they can manuever away, as opposed to a large cargo ship that will contribute way more to the war effort. I can forsee a u boat attacking a warship if it had no other chance, but to select one out of many targets seems unproductive.
You are right. Submarines targeted destroyers only on very seldom occasions and would never attack a destroyer in this situation. Later in the war german uboats hat accoustic homing torpedos which would be used against destroyers but the primary target was always to target the merchant shipping and avoid contact to destroyers. The action in this movie is not very realstic to be honest.
@@Gelbwurst American Pacific submariners would be more aggressive against Jap destroyers than German ones typically. Or at least there were those that would try hunting them.
My father was US Merchant Marine then US Navy on a subchaser USS PC-1237. Torpedoed twice, once in the Caribbean and a second time in the Mediterranean. This gives some perspective on how miraculous his survival was...by the way, PC-1237 had FOUR torpedoes in its torpedo nets when it pulled into port (Malta, I believe). 🫡
Why occlude the ending scene with the ads for your other videos? Can't you show the ending scene and then add the ads?
I thought in ww2 uboats rarely engaged destroyers preferring to eescape or hide to hunt another convoy. Its just disadvantageous to fight a destroyer