Malcador Tells The "Truth" About The Primarchs
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2020
- From First Lord of the Imperium. Performed by John Banks, Beth Chalmers, Jenny Funnell, Jonathan Keeble and Toby Longworth.
Art by Neil Roberts, Adrian Smith and Mauro Belifore
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*Terra is burning and the imperial palace is besieged*
Malcador: JUST AS PLANNED
Just like a certain Mollusk.
Arhiman would concur
😂
Tzeench would relate
Emp: - No worries Malc, I calculated every risk in this galactic chess game.
Malcador: - Yes your Grace, but your math sucks big time.
You dare insult me? Go sit in the "time out" chair!"
Malcador always the fool, he had no clue what big E was up to
no @#$%^!!!!!!!
@@alexwest2514 **sits on the golden throne and fucking dies**
Hear me out. What if Emp's miscalculated because he made an error in converting from metric to Imperial?
The final line in this story:
Malcador:
"I lie to them to spare them their sorrow."
I request elaboration
@@eoctv4896 It means we have no idea how much of what Malcador says is the truth here, it could be almost all true, mostly true, half, or all lies. As far as I'm concerned we really learn nothing new from this story.
@@Kalicer I respectfully disagree, too much of what he says aligns exactly with what has been theorized, that much of the rebellion was intended by the emperor. I think the big issue, is that the emperor didnt account for JUST how extreme the rebellion would be in scale and scope.
@@elkpants1280 It is known that he didn't account for chaos infecting the primarchs specifically. Everything here has already been confirmed in some way or another.
If that's the last line, whats to stop us from taking that everything he told her was a lie to spare her sorrow? 🤔
Keeble, Banks and Longworth are the holy trinity of Warhammer voices.
Indeed they are
@@greywakez And add Emma Gregory to the female cast an it's perfect.
Beth Chalmers and Steven Colin are worth their weight in gold as well.
Gareth Armstrong is among the good ones too
@@Jmassey95 ehhh i almost thought he sunk the blood angels books I've heard bc i found him rather single toned and inflexible, though I respect your like for him
Tzeench: "Fool you walked right into my trap!"
Malcador: "A fool i might be, but not for reasons you can comprehend, you, claiming i've sprung your trap, you, having been trapped in ours since birth."
Tzeench: _"That doesn't even make se--"_
Malcador: *"THE PATH TO VICTORY OBSCURED BY THE FOG YET TO BE PASSED OFTEN DOES NOT TO THOSE BLIND TO THE DESTINATION."*
Later,gman and lion be back
Tzeench,finaly puts 2 and 2 together:...oh fuck.
This is canon now
@@lolbots686fabious
Clones Curze
Loyalist Curze
Gman and Lion: oh… welcome back brother. Here are the restraining orders.
Tzz: Slaanesh is on on this to???
Slaan: no, Bile just traded a Curze for one of Cawls dataslates.
New Men: chaos, we don’t see any reason to use it.
Tzz: Was this a part of Mal’s plan? Magnus help the New Men join chaos, you wanted to show people the light, right?
A few weeks later.
Magnus: i helped…
Tzz: so are they joining literally anything chaos?
Bile: wow Magnus really ingrained to them that the warp is just the mind reflecting itself into them. Wow i couldn’t wish for any other assistant. He even helped me make the primarchs for my new men.
You trimmed out the critical bit afterwards where he rages at the non-present Emperor that he's being forced to ***LIE*** to a dear friend for the sake of her comfort and hope.
Horus: proceeds to beat the sht out of emperor
Emperor: should have remembered to put that 2.303 after anti log
Maclador- monologues about planning and controlling the futures of every primarch from when they were found
Also malcador- the future is not my area of expertise
Man-Emperor : The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math.
I think too many people take this as ''ah the Emperors a prick and bad father'' people tend to miss the smaller things like the fact that he's comforting a dying friend who is clearly reassured by the belief that everything is according to plan, also immediately after this quite Malcador laments to himself that ''I lie to them to spare them their sorrow'' as in, he lies about how out of control things are to make them believe that there is hope.
By the Emperor I hope you're right, but holy halls of Terra who ever is comforted by the idea that the Emperor was planning the Heresy is Insane
@@trialnerror3643 he was planning to get ride of space marines, and he knew that Chaos gods would cause something like Horus Heresy, but he did not know exactly what will happen. He had his suspicious, like which primarch was gonna turn, but come on, he was playing a game of 4 dimensional chess with an actual god of fate. Fall of Magnus and Fulgrim was never in the plan, and the destruction of the WebWay portal caused the entire plan to went to shit.
The plan, in summary, was to reconquer the galaxy, unite humankind, gather the best stuff, remove the gene warriors (and few trillion humans by the way), and leave the material world to settle in thw Human Version of Cammoragh away from thw chaos god’s influence.
The plan was just too fucking stupid to work.
Typical government, send your troops out to do all the dirty work then throw them aside-hello America (and UK).
@@jprp999 To be fair, WW2 Russia and China are probably better comparisons when it comes to disreguard for civillian and military lives.
But still, big E is a prick and a horrible father. Just ask Angron, Lorgar ore Mortarion
"The future is not my area of expertise"... That's going to become my new way of saying "I don't know".
Same
You think when he says "those who could not be managed well" that he may be referring to the missing Primarchs?
Yes, but I don't believe for a second that the REAL Malcador said any of this.
@@Jagonath Are you saying it's a deceiver of some kind or that this isn't canon?
@@Jagonath This is in fact the real Malcador
Angron - with the nails in his head
Lorgar - always focused on belief, something Emperor wanted to eradicate
Sanguinius - constantly battling with inner rage
Horus - with his ego surprisingly crumbly(remember his jealousy when Russ was found)
And probably to E's great surprise - Perturabo, when he turned for lack of appreciation.
The rest performed their purposes well... until some time:P
@@Beriatan I mean, this videos says they were all intentionally pitted against eachother so it sounds like even those ones were controlled, just that they didn't know it.
Alpha Legion shouting "for the Emperor" suddenly makes a whole lot of sense now.
Alpha Legion is following the Emperor's plan for both sides to kill each other, they're probably manipulating the other chaos marines into making foolish attacks with high casualty rates they normally wouldn't consider making.
@No One yes, but also no
@@minecrafter8589 They are loyalist, it's just their functions for the grand plan as a whole is to perpetuate the war into unabated stalemate unless there's great factor outside Chaos, Materium factions or even The Warp jumping in (such as 4th wall breaks that actually threatens Games Workshop itself), so yeah, Alpha Legion is loyalist in the sense that it's causes Imperium to keep fighting in their own twisted ways
Oh they also adding fuel to Tzeentch's fiery plans too all while also wounding Tzeentch's monopoly of Fateseering in The Warp, considering the current loyalist Alpharius can only manages so much at controlling the Chaos-aligned portion of his surviving legion to this day (hence the confusion from the fandom of whether Alpharius is loyalist or not, which he is, instead Omegon was the one that got into Chaos then killed by Rogal Dorn), all while Alpharius himself is already trained, conditioned and guided by Malcador years before Horus was even found by The Emperor for the first time
@@ohamatchhams Dorn killed Alpharius on Pluto in Praetorian of Dorn. Alpharius was the traitor and Omegon was the Loyalist. Alpharius is 100% dead (He exploded in a flash of light like Ferus did when he died), Omegon is assumed to have been killed by Guilliman, but apparently the inquisitor who wrote that report was an Alpha Legion spy so he could still be alive.
I seriously don't understand why people keep saying Omegon was the one killed by Dorn when there is literally story of Omegon (from Omegons perspective) waking up in a cold sweat and he knows Alpharius is dead.
@@namenull7399 Bold of you to assume that Omegron would know if he was actually secretly Alpharius.
This has been proven a false statement by Malcador on so many occasions, by Malcador himself even, that it is incredible that we are still discussing this... Malcador himself and the Emperor has admited, between themselves (ie. no reason to maintain the lie), that they considered the Primarchs their children (or nephews on Malcador's part).
That is the point of it. He's merely trying to comfort her before she passes away. But, the Emperor did know some of them would turn traitor though
I don't know if the Emperor "knew" knew, but I am sure that he had forseen such an eventuality. I for instance don't think that he for a second thought that Horus would betray him, but he probably saw Angron coming from a mile away.
@@1701Emperor lol, my 6 year old nephew said "he's gonna be a bad guy" when he first saw angron, SOOOOOOO I'm guessing the m****** f****** emperor had a hunch
@@patrickdwyer320 Lol this made my morning
They loved the primarchs but still used them and underestimated chaos empowering them and didn’t foresee some like fulgrim falling or the khan being loyal or the heresys early arrival but some were destined to die no matter how much they wished otherwise.
I actually felt my heart sink at this.
_You brothers - such a nest of rivalries. I warned him to make you sisters, that it would make things more civilised. He thought I was joking. I wasn't_
Damn… so the emporer did know that some of the primarchs were gonna turn traitor holy shit!
Horus beatings the shit out of the emperor.
The Emperor in a wheelchair: Malc probably had a point about them.
This implies the two lost Primarchs were the only ones Emps and Malcador could not manipulate.
While there is no lore on them, they probably were the first to rebel, or deny the Emperor. They did something that the Emperor deemed purge worthy. Knowing that Chaos didn't got them, and Angron wasn't purged instantly for denying him, it was possibly something worse. And no, I didn't think of furries.
Those two sons however, killed an exceptional amount of Astarte. Meaning that with the size of the war, and their Empire, them having no Astarte, it's possible that they had Dark Age of Tech level technology, and knew too much of the Emperor, being too much of a risk to all of his plans. That tech means they were immune to chaos. But also that they could possibly deny the Emperor, brake his plan, or share information that could illegitimate him, both before his sons and the Imperium.
As Angron had no chance of causing much damage to Emps, and no meaning behind denying the Emps. But a Primarch like Sanguinus, denying the Emps, and actually picking a fight with him, while having some better tech, could easily mean both the end of the Emps, and the Imperium.
@@Kareszkoma there is a little lore. no specifics but one did start a rebelion before horus and was killed by leman russ and the other was considered a failure do to some unknown mutations and was stripped of his postion and banished while the rest of both the armies where put into suicide squads or mixed into other primarch armies . there is a bit more but its really speculations.
@@deadbeats5640 Wait.. the other was Banished? What?! I thought they were both killed? Was that just a slip of the tongue?
@@Kareszkomayea I was wrong he was executed not banished. I also found out that horus has the intact body of the XI primarch. He never did anything with it thou.
@@deadbeats5640 He does?! What?!
Imagine telling someone that the evil in the world is according to a plan with the best outcome in order to comfort them in their final moments when you yourself are unsure of what will happen after.
Everything malcador says is to be taken with a truckload of salt
Other fandoms be like “but the good guy said so, it has to be true, right”, only for warhammer to go “YOUR HERO IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR”
Should it? Let's look big-picture here. First, you have to accept that the established principle that the Emperor is an insanely powerful psyker that is tens of thousands of years old with a good understanding of the workings of the warp and Malcador is at least a few thousand years old with a similar understanding of the warp. In this scenario, they know and understand that as long as humans have souls, you are *_NEVER_* going to get rid of the warp or the chaos gods. The Web Way project was *_NEVER_* going to starve the warp or beat the chaos gods, it was just going to be a method of transit other than "driver through literal hell to deliver boxes of cereal", if he was indeed presenting at face value.
Now, based on that understanding what purpose is there for an eons-old super-psyker creating a cult of personality around himself? To gain worship. As an incredibly powerful psyker, he'd have a huge soul-presence in the warp as it is, so getting trillions of people to give their devotion to "The Emperor, beloved by all" you begin to manifest that devotion and belief in the warp as their emotions are directed towards you. When billions of human and xenos die year in and year out in brutal conflict "for the Imperium" but also "for the Emperor" some of that emotion manifests your direction. Now, when the plan is almost done, and everything is in place to begin the process of your slow-but-sure ascension, you don't want to rely on a low-key and luke-warm resentment and distrust by "de-militarizing" your mighty, awe-inspiring ubermen armies and your demigod sons...create a civil war that will cause horror, fear, and rage, most strong emotions directed towards you in a universe that has already seen the super-convenient memetic-creep of the Lecticio Divinatatus so all those billions of civilians dying in crippling fear are muttering "the emperor protects", sending all that emotional resonance your way.
The proverbial "shoe" in this franchise will drop when it's finally revealed the Emperor *_WAS_* in fact trying to become a god all along, and that the reason Lorgar got in trouble was because he was saying the quite part, loud.
Good idea but you’re giving games workshop too much creative credit for coming up with that
you still alive yo?
@@GentlemanBystander To this day I’m convinced Big E made only one mistake in his plan: Thinking he could fail an any capacity.
He either thought his webway wall could withstand an empowered Magnus, or perhaps much more sinisterly, he knew Magnus would break it, and thought he could kill Horus without injury.
If it’s the former, the Emperor wanted to slowly strip the Chaos gods of power by creating peace after his crusades and civil war.
If it was the Latter, then as you say, he always intended to be worshipped as a god. No other being could handle the energy of the golden throne, and he would still end up sitting there for thousands of years, protecting and guiding a mankind that worships him. Uninjured, he would have enough strength to still give orders and not devour psychers on a daily basis.
The Emperor loved Horus.
He loved his bois
Just as Abraham loved Isaac
Yeah if father let his son almost beat him to death by hammer (even through he can destroy him without any problem as we see after death of that human soldier which jump between them) and then being forced on golden throne in coma so he cant move and heal himself just because he dont want kill his son its exactly what father which see his sons as tool do when his tool start rebeling seriously what he get from that to benefit him how benefit him fact his son almost kill him and why he let him to almost kill him if its not even benefit him seriously theory about emperor not like his sons is trash and fact he sitting on throne dying its evidence
@@silverbladeofnorth7345 I mean the emperor also went out of his way too save ferrus' soul
Im sure after 30000 years of existence, he's numb to all emotions.
@@Eldor-117 actually no he called them his sons before they were born
imagine if the emperor would have succeded, the primarchs all had talents that could have been used after the war... but the legionaries? I bet they would have been purged eventually
Well there were still not that much of them comparing to the wastness of the empire.
Plus there is always an enemy at the door. On top of that take for example Ultramarines, they can be capable governors.
It would be so akward to exterminate the Space Marines, just for the Necrons to awaken and Tyrannids to arrive.
and top of that Some of the Primarchs would never allow to Purge their Sons Namely Vulkan he loves them
Why? Adeptus Astartes are powerfull there will always be rebelions in imperium,chaos has always unlimited hordes of demons also orks are many in numbers and heretics will always come to. Yes they can be tools but except of thunder warriors all Astartes can live they not roting alive and also they are not merciless murders so even if they are tools this not will be tools to be salvaged but to keep .And at the end emperor is not an idiot he is aware of fact conquered galaxy is safe only untill someone else will conquer it peace is temporary even in reality in 40k peace is joke he always will need his soldiers now there is nothing better than them and even if they start produce better soldiers than astartes they will still be needed for imperium cause they can fight untill new forces being trained in optimal numbers and even after Astartes still can fight until they all die on battlefield
The Iron warriors can die from old age, the Hrud proved that. and Dante is only 1400. So maybe good old Faboulos Bill was not lying this time.
Lol this is funnier when you realise fulgrim and Magnus were meant to stay on the emperors side which means two of the loyalists are actually meant to die lol
I think it's probably Khan, even the Emperor couldn't read him. And his reason for staying loyal is entirely pragmatic.
@@aclock2 and probably russ was supposed to turn.
my guesses would be lion and ferrus
(one of which did infact die)
also im surprised emperor didn't want perterabo on his side knowing how least chaos the guy was
like he hated concepts of religion and gods and such
you would think he would never join chaos
@@HellishSpoon He might have wanted him instead of Dorn but then thats just such an unlikely theory
@@aclock2 im not sure about that i can definitly see him wanting to get rid of el lion and guilliman though (not cuz im some guilliman hater)
hearing this the first time.... my whole life is falling in ruins now
Don't worry, it's only half true lol
The Emperor protects.
@@jackmyers8687 Fuck the Emperor.
@@greywakez What do yoy mean half true?
@@JIMT412 The emperor didn't want a full on war, he only knew some of his son's would turn against him. He also didn't expect them to go to chaos
It’s so dark that the emperor was preparing for primarchs to betray him so that he could cull the legions the same way they eliminated the thunder warriors. It just goes to show Horus was right, the emperor lied to them all. They just didn’t expect the ruinous powers to be allowed through, and intervene.
this may be true however keep in mind his final words I lie to them to spare them their sorrow
If they were gunna be 9v9 and two were meant to be loyal then which loyalists were supposed to be traitors?
@@connorchenery977 magnus was supposed to be a loyalist, so was fulgrim, alternatively russ was unexpected not to fall
I think Malcador was comforting his dying friend by saying that the Emperor planned this, implying thereafter that the Heresy was a complete accident, and was just the Emperor being emotionally unintelligent and lacking a solid perception of details or implications, both of which are human flaws and nale sense for a man with as much vision and drive as Big E. He clearly loved Horus and Magnus at the very least, and people like Dorn or Guilliman were too useful and loyal to be cast aside, for example.
It is probably not true. Culling the Astarte does not make sense, as they could be easily destroyed during a waaagh and the Emps already purged two Primarchs. In case of Thunder Warriors, it made more sense. Those guys were Custode level of threat. Heavily armored, unstoppable, and could stomp orcs and fight in a way, that would make the orcs jealous. They fought techno barbarians, and their numbers didn't drop significantly.
Also, Emps started loving their Sons. Like genuinely love them. Same in case of Malcador. Every Empire need a second age, like Rome had. Maybe Emps planned it that way, but it was not the action planned during the crusade. Something went wrong, and went wrong pretty badly.
And but Also, most importantly. If the Lion or Sanguinius would've joined chaos, everything would've been over. Sanguinius was just moments from joining Khorne. That man, would've been nigh unstoppable. It is unsure, if all Primarchs could or could've not been tainted. Some, are just harder than others. Dorn, and Corvus probably uncorruptable. But that doesn't mean all. If any of the more combat significant Primarch, like the Khan, would've joined the rebellion, it would've been game over. No coming back. And Primarchs, can be corrupted through other means, like items, like how Fulgrim was corrupted.
The planned for rebellion (imo):
Traitors -
Leader, Lion El Jonson - Dark Angels
Lorgar Aurelian - Word Bearers
Sanguinius - Blood Angels
Angron - World Eaters
Jaghatai Khan - White Scars
Ferrus Manus - Iron Hands
Perturabo - Iron Warriors
Corvus Corax - Raven Guard
Alpharius Omegon - Alpha Legion
Loyalists -
Horus Lupercal - Sons Of Horus
Magnus - Thousand Sons
Fulgrim - Emperors Children
Konrad Curze - Night Lords
Leman Russ - Space Wolves
Mortarion - Death Guard
Vulcan - Salamanders
Rogal Dorn - Imperial Fists
Robute Guilliman - Ultramarines
I personally believe his is by completely untrue on Malcadors part, it's just very heavily edited.
Effectively it's both what they intended and wished were true and also a complete disaster.
I completely believe malcador when he says Post- humans were just meant to be tools like the thunder warriors, to be burned up once thier time we done. There has been far far too many snippets in lore that suggest as much.
Furthermore this would play into the unbelievably colossal arrogance of the emperor (Fulgrim gets it from dad).
But things went wrong.
Firstly the affection of the emperor towards the primarchs, they hadn't counted on the fact that because they're partly made from his genetic makeup he'd have a strong paternal response. I think this also plays to the E's favouritism; each primarch gets so much from him that it's easy to see how the emperor rejects more the negative traits he does not like in himself.
Couple that with the intended purpose of the primarchs, the emperor losing his humanity and likely sanity to what he did on molech and you've got a big old mix of hoped intention and huge galactic cock ups
This is the middle part to a 3 part collection of audio short-stories called the Lords Of Terra, its only a few bucks as its quite old now, each segment has something completely different and else to share, all three were very good and i cannot recommend them enough, if possible i would urge to not get these from black Library but from another service like Audible or I-tunes perhaps. GW hasn't been making things of this quality for a steady while and they need a reminder, but, do as you will or cannot help.
the three parts are
Stone And Iron,
Malcador First Lord Of The Imperium
Curze, A Lesson In Darkness.
I have Stone and iron and I'd upload it if I could
@@greywakez Best not to endanger your channel and monetization mate, GW is on the warpath with copyright, what they can't coerce into compliance they destroy.
Yeah fuck supporting GW. They hate their fans and they hate good content from their IP. Don’t give them a cent
Emperor: let purge primarchs
Vulkan exits*
Emperor: what the fuck man
So the emperor deliberately choose Horus as warmaster to start the cival war because he knew Horus was arrogant dispiet or because of him being the most talented. The only problem was the emperor did not account for it happening before he finished the webway project and the intervention of the ruinous powers. Sounds like Horus was right all along and that guilliman should have been named regent at the same time as Horus was made warmaster. One to govern, one to lead the military. Hopefully game workshop creates a story that reforms the imperium with more living primarchs being discovered and the emperor dieing to ascend to godhood
I'm at 50/50 with your statement.
@@christopherholmes7324 how so?
@@jasonbrynn5633 I understand what you're saying truly! Still at the same time I would prefer that The Emperor didn't die(unless it makes total sense)cause the entire imperium is in dire need.
I think its more the Emperor had to pick Horace. Because he was not the best candidate because had he picked certain other candidates they would have been more popular, and that would mean that if they turned against him. For any number of reasons including simple things like them not believing in the emperors vision. Then said popular warmaster could easily usurp him without so much as a battle.
I swear to God, If GW wasn't a greedy company and actually made a good sci-fi tv show based on these warhammer books then they could've made something very epic.
Indeed. They had a live action show planned but my hopes are honestly low for it
@@greywakez in this age anything "live action" is just pure trash
@@uberfeel GW can't even get animation done correctly lol anything live action from them will be beneath trash
I think they are right to be wary in this day and age.
Wow, did they record this all together? That would be freaking awesome to listen to.
It's hard to go from book to book in the Heresy series, when it's a new narrator each book, using different voices for the same characters and pronouncing names completely differently.
This would be really nice to listen to.
is it on audible?
It should be on audible yes, but I bought it right off the black library site. And yes it was all recorded together for this one audiobook
@@greywakez Awesome, thank you very kindly for your reply.
The Emperor Protects.
"This is fine, I'm ok with the event that are unfolding currently. That's ok, things re gonna be OK!"
1:38 those who cannot be managed well would not reach the end game... This seems to be the end of the two missing primarchs.
I also understand the emperor telling Gulliman he was just a tool.
This video has been blowing up for a little while now, despite me uploading it sometime ago. Shall it reach 40,000 views, I'll upload more parts of audiobooks. Within the parameters that won't trigger GW of course.
Edit: You guys are awesome. Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/SJopb37UP-I/v-deo.html
Edit 2: Wow, a little over 100,000 views! This is simply amazing. Many thanks!
Everything triggers them nowadays though, they ve shitting the bed a lot recently
hit 41,125 so close to the end of the indomitus crusade
Do upload more please
@@therealnoodledog6660 Next one will be quite heretical
@@leechristian6543 Then why is everything still up and available?
Malkador, the space uncle and a psyker with the power of destroying Magnus's hopes of acomplish anything ever
I remember hearing that The Emperor had "planned" this all along. I hadn't known that it was planned by him and Malcador.
It wasent planned at all, its quite literally in this story right after where the video cuts off that Malcador rages at the fact he has to lie to a dying friend to comfort them in their last minutes
Yep, what the guy above said, this clip is literally modern news network in a nutshell, cutting things out of context and calling it gospel.
@@HalIOfFamer INN - Imperium News Network
@@greywakez yep
Malcador is great
I know he said it was a lie at the end but imagine if it was 100% true.
Emp: "All according to plan, too bad it happened so soon and it was with Horus falling to caos"
Malc: "Yes, but all the chess peieecs are in place now, what is the next step"
Emp: "Go and sit on my thrown and hold the psychic wall until your body turns to ashes"
Malc: "WHAT!?"
EMP: "Yeah it was part of the plan, after that I will become a cripple and nerf the entire human race by just barely keeping the warp ways stable enough for semi good transportation"
Malc being strapped tot he throne: "EMP I DON'T RECALL THIS PART OF THE PLANAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH"
It is so frustrating at times how so many authors can't be bothered to cross-check each other's work when writing these stories. We have so many occasions of malcadore and the emperor discussing how they genuinely love the primarchs, and the emperor just has a hard time always showing it because of his immense duties and mysterious nature, then we have stuff like the awakening of Robute where the emperor shows him that he never cared about them and it was all a lie.
To be fair it may have partially been Horus' doing, from the moment he allowed himself to fall to chaos on Davin, to the Siege of Terra. He was the Emperor's favorite son of all the primarchs. Remember, he got Godbreaker (a weapon allegedly crafted personally by the Emperor) and was given the rank of Warmaster. How did Horus take all this? Well, we all know what happened.
To add to this, ten thousand years of sitting as a skeletal corpse on a varley functioning throne powered by sacrifices sounds like it would drive anyone even the Big E to some degree of of insanity. He may have loved them once, but I think he's lost that love now.
@Twisted Cogitamentum I would preffer that interpretation, but guilliman seemed to gain the impression that that was how he had always truly been. Idk though, i still hold on to the "human" emperor in my mind
I have a personal theory that the Emperor was essentially just telling Guilliman that because he knew it would motivate him to save the Imperium. Emps knew that, like himself, Guilliman prioritized the safety of the Imperium and its ideals over individual relationships, and though the Emperor genuinely did love Guilliman, he trashed the relationship so Guilliman would have no ties left to the corpse-Emperor - only to the people.
@@Pyxis10 yeah, at that point our beloved man-emperor had a psychic car battery hooked up to his balls for 10,000 years. If my son came up to me after that asking to play i’d be a little bit of a dick too.
With the terminus decree reveled now all makes sense.
Malcador is such a good character!
Everyday we stray further to Chaos.
I've been listening to this for quite a while now and I want to try narrating it myself, just for the hell of it and see if I could enjoy doing it, since I have been told that my voice sounds very good when it comes to speaking shit or something.
I won't post it though. Time to look for this excerpt soon.
Go for it!
@@greywakez thanks chief :>
Will he (the Emperor) win?
-In any classic universie "yes of course"
-in Dune "he has a plan within a plan within a plan"
-in Star Wars "the Force is with Him"
-in W40k ...
Well, that's Grimdark for you, the true meaning of Grimdark is the uncertainty of hope, after all.
😊
Song Effect name? I know it may sound strange to ask this but when Malcador said " We wanted the primarchs to turn agains one another, against their father..." sound so powerfull!
I sadly don't know the sound effect name
"Toll of that bell" reminds me of Skaven.
@Adolf Hipster Oh yes hehe
Jokes on Malcador, the Emperor was lying to him the whole time.
This sounds like something a member of the Kabal would say these words, not Malcador
Astonishing. Thanks for sharing this.
In which does this belong to?
Malcador, First Lord of the Imperium. Good book
What am I just finding this now? Subbed and loved 👌👌
Knowing how the Primarchs were created and what they were planed for, it is quite obvious the Emperor knew (or at least expected) the Chaos Gods would threat his plan. And the most efficient way was obviously to turn the Primarchs again their father.
With their intellect and the Emperor far away on Terra, some Primarchs would have guessed that the Astartes would be treated just like the Thunder Warriors. And the Emperor obviously knew this too.
So assuming the Emperor had a good plan, all of this must be part of the plan. What he could not tell was who would turn. How many of them and maybe when. (Going back to Terra was a good trigger yet).
So, even if we had the last words where Malcador says he lied.... Where is the lie ? Maybe when he says that the Emperor still controls the events and the primarch through this rebelion. He knew it would hapen, was confident, but could not be 100% sure of the outcome.
Malcador, you ancient, silver-tongued bastard...
1:24
40.000
Is the year 40.000. You have a god emperor. A large space fleet. Warp technology. You have 400 centuries of technology.
And there is a guy using a fking wood rounded shield
That's space wolves for ya. Very traditional lol
@@greywakez Ye i wouldnt be surprised for such high death rates
I wonder what he would have done with the loyal primarchs after the crusade if they had won the heresy. I still think everything that happened is according to plan but I have little evidence for such I just see it as a neat theory.
the emperors vision for mankind perhaps was him sitting as he does on the golden throne.
This is brilliant.
Crazy theory: What if the Emperor *intends* to be put on the Golden Throne?
It's a theory for sure. Why did the Emperor prepare the Golden throne to absorb psykers by the millions? To sustain himself in the future? Knowing he is the only capable psyker that can do the job.
@@Stylenwavin it was intended for magnus
@@luigijacoposantamaria7367 was that canon?
@@Stylenwavin if i don't recall bad in "fury of magnus" the emperor says it to Mag
Ohhhhhhhh. This is all Malcador’s fault. Like. Every single thing. All the death, the regression, the splintering, the anguish of the entire species. Is the fault of one man.
*Malcador the Monster.*
*The Emperor of Ahnihilation.*
Take my fffffing money already
That fucking short story exposed so much
ok this is some what calming to me
The future is not the area of my expertise XD
what a mad lad
I just bought the Book on audible thanks to you
Galaxy's biggest cope
Yea I'm pretty sure this is a lie and malcador just dosent want to admit how bad they fucked up. If they really planned to kill the primarch, why did he give them control over his empire and his people? Why did he gift them weapons that could kill even him? Why would he trust them the Great crusade? Why did he make vulkan immortal? And the biggest question of all, why would he spare horus even after he betrayed him?
We made the Salamanders to be a Police force of the future imperium. They fuking love humans and even live with teir families. Vulkan is imortal to comand tem in this new world.
@@ThiagoOliveira-yk5sy Im inclined to agree with this take. Some astartes were designed to be more ruthless, aggressive, and disposable than others. The Salamanders are the perfect impartial judge. Fair almost to a fault, and loving of humanity. Willing to defend it at any cost. They perhaps are not the best chapter to call up to purge a system in the case of heresy or xenos infection. Better something like the blood angels or black templars.
I see people saying Malcador was lying to comfort her but really? How is this comforting? Is the fact that the Emperor planned the Heresy but it got totally out of hand and now thier plan is fucked up suppose to comfort anyone?
It'd actually make me more sick lmao
@@greywakez yeah, if someone is comforted by this, there are problems
@@lucaannunziata6503 I guess it implies they already have a plan to deal with each and every one of them instead of something completely unexpected l.
@@lucaannunziata6503 I guess it implies they already have a plan to deal with each and every one of them instead of something completely unexpected.
True is the Game was rigged from the Start.
The Primarchs are created from Chaos and Big E's shenanigans created a massive influx of power for Chaos with the turning of the Primarchs and legions. All of those failures fall completely on his shoulders so he's either a Chaos god or an inept egomaniac.
This point of view definitely plays a part in his plan especially after the scattering some where too far gone and I think the emperor started picking sides
There's no bad lore, just bad authors.
Sounds like the two missing primarchs couldn’t be managed well😂
"Those who couldn't be managed well, they would never reach the endgame" He meant 2th and 11th ?
I'm starting to wonder if malcador is Darth sidious in disguise as malcador to get back at the emperor for hitting his starship in the virgin emperor vs the chad god emperor video.
U get a sub because content + vice profile pic in the best art style.
Mhmm that art style HIT DIFFERENT
@@greywakez it does ! Feels like the 80s.
This is the most powerfull plot reveal
THEN CURZE WAS RIGHT.
Bastard.
I hope such suffering was goddamn worth it.
OK, that explains why my favorites were shitted upon so slopishly: Perturabo and Kurze.
1:36 More on Ferrus, didn’t The Emperor and Malcador planned to resurrect him?
The Virgin Malcador: The primarchs were always under control and every element of their being was dictated by the Emperor.
The Chad Lion El'Jonson: ...And? Loyalty is it's **own** reward.
This sounds like bringing the Lion down rather than up, it's basically like saying that his loyalty was baked into him rather than a choice. You're making him look weaker rather than stronger.
When malchador says those who can not be managed, is he referring to the second and 11th primarchs?
Romance dies once the eyes are opened.
what is the context of this dialogue? i really curious about it
Is this from the audiobook?
Yepp
How Easy would it have been to give the chaos smiting spear to the primarch who uses a spear I always found it odd that the perfect martyr for a future hyper religious empire wasn’t given the tool that would have laid to a quick victory. It’s almost like the emperor wanted himself and the angelic martyr worshiped (he knows what the elder knew in godblight) so yea all according to plan maybe even more than malcador knew.
Nice performance
Where does this audio come from?
First lord of the Imperium audiobook
What’s this recording from?
First lord of the Imperium audiobook
Hearing this is making me sob like the woman whom Malcador is talking to.
it's sad when we know he's just bullshitting to comfort her
Who does Malcador Talking to? Can someone Tell me please? is it Erda or someone Else?
He's talking to his friend, Sibel Niasta, on her deathbed
@@greywakez Who's that?
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 if i recoll corectly one of the perpetuals that was ther with emps and malcador for along time that give off her essenc to heal malcador from his death wounds after meeting magnus when they tolled him they yeeted shard of his soul to one of his sons but not sure way to many faces in WH40k to recall them all
@@krzysiekknop4414 Thanks, i've tried to Read her in the Lore but Sadly there is none
thanks for the Information by the way
Who is Malcador talking to in this clip?
*"BULLSHIT!"*
I’m confused isn’t Malcador a hero of the Imperium and was the loyal friend and advisor to the emperor right until the end
Malcador "I lie to spare them their sorrow"
He is lying to his.friend here so she won't lose hope by order of big e
No audio
Toby Longworth is king!
It’s stupid tho cause what happens if they won and then destroyed all the legions, then a threat like the tyranids show up? Who are they going to use to fight future threats?
What Malcador says is only half true
@@greywakez in what way? The heresy was always planned to happen to get rid of the legions but chaos screwed it up and it happened sooner? So what is the half truth? Were they only planning on getting rid of most of the legions and sparring a few??
@@Ally.Cat.252 I always thought they wanted to get rid of the problematic ones like World Eaters and the like. But they didn't plan on chaos intervening
@@greywakez yea I thought that too. But it sounds like they wanted to get rid of “all” of them. And use the Guard to fight future wars once’s mankind was under compliance.
Now that'd be a recipe for disaster lol guard can't handle all the Tyranids, necrons and orks alone
Ah my heart
It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature.