@@vogelvogeltje oh, you don’t have to thank me, I think that You* might be misunderstanding that academia has become an ego driven and hateful political high school. I support Mr Brill’s comment.
The feed store down the road has 55lb bags of rye for next to nothing. But the prep for brown rice is so much easier and my yields are 100% identical to my rye tubs - as well the brown rice always colonizes faster, sometimes shockingly so with certain strains at a higher incubation temp. It's like the hardcore mycologist in me doesn't want to admit the easy "beginner's" grain is the best - and wants to jump through a bunch of hoops to feel more advanced..... but the real-world yields and potency from brown rice simply can't be denied!
ive been watching grain spawn videos for about a week now, there are a few folks who've done similar experiments to this video. it seems like the best advice is to do an experiment for each mushroom type. if you go through and watch all these videos, there appears to be a consensus generally about rye berry, millet, etc being the best choices, and then depending on the mushroom type there is a superior choice, usually in terms of fruiting time and yield .
This, like the rest of your content, is super helpful, informative, and engaging. Love the amount of effort you put in sharing knowledge that cost you time and money for free to strangers to make the world better
Thank you so much for the kind words, truly. I'm glad you appreciate the content. I am happy to share what I have learned! I'm grateful for everyone here and wouldn't be able to do this without everyone here in this wonderful community! I'm glad to be a part of this journey with all of you! 🙏
You've been so helpful PGT I've always thought mushrooms are a gift to this planet and can help people in ways that is so necessary in our current times, I thank you personally for you have helped me when I contacted you through discord you always got back to me ❤️🙏🙋
What strikes me is not the difference in colonization time, but the end yield. Brown rice was not only the fastest to pin but had the highest fruiting yield. Thank you PGT.
LFG PGT…. Been following you for years. Happy you came back on. You certainly enhanced my harvesting journey years back and grateful to see you coming out with this type content. Can’t wait! Mush Love All!
Super happy to see this. Just inoculated my first batches that Ive made from scratch and they were all brown rice, so I'm glad I made the right choice 😁
Thanks so much, fascinating video. I’ve mostly worked with brown rice but I’ve tried many others. My method for brown rice is: put the brown rice in a saucepan with water 0.6 times the weight of rice. So if you have 500g of BR, add 300g of cold water plus gypsum. Give it low flame for about 20mins, open to stir and give it about 10 more minutes, maybe reducing the flame a little. When the water is all absorbed, load into jars. Pressure cook. Do a hot shake. This method works great! No rinsing. There will probably be some small clumps after the shake and mix but it will all colonize just fine. No boiling and this nothing lost to leaching. I have jars finish in ~16 days.
Fresh From the Farm Fungi did a similar video . Millet was one of the slowest to colonize the grains but it was the fastest to grow actual mushrooms once spawned to bulk.
Awesome experiment PGT! Thank you for all you do for the myco community! Many of us would not be here if it wasn’t for you and all your incredible support and instruction!!!!
Nice! I've always used Oats just because of their sheer ability to take horrendous abuse. I can over cook them by a long shot and they still don't explode on me.
I guess I'll use brown rice instead of red wheat berries from now on and popcorn as a backup source when needed. Thanks for sharing your experiment results🙂.
Perfect timing of this vid! Thank you for sharing and doing this. I was just wondering if different grains and stuff made much of a difference. Thank you again for doing a real world test of so many different types!!
This is fantastic. Thank you for trying this out for the benefit of the community. As always your videos are well made, easy to understand, and a pleasure to watch.
Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoy the videos! I'm thankful for everyone in this wonderful community, I wouldn't be able to do this without all of you! 🙏🍄
What is got from this is that a mix of grains is better than a single one! I was poking around the US patent page looking for any mushroom related breakthrough and I found one regarding potency’s % and medicinal increase along with MASSIVE YEILD INCREASES, they were saying that a minimum of two compleat proteins and at least one starchy structural grain ( but that’s just the minimum you can add more their patent was for 8 grains ) gives a perfect diet for the mushroom, the gyst of what they were saying is the IF you add compleat protines and a good startchie structural grain together (the more kinds of grains the more diverse nutrients will be introduced COLORS MATTER purple corn, red quinoa, black quinoa ect, because mushroom are sponges they are even finding if you grow on cannabis it absorbs some of the cbd and cdn and stuff), add the stimulants of sound ranging from 200hz to 855hz ( if your useing agar play the sound when it’s growing on that too 222hz has been shown to be best for stimulation of general cell growth in other experiments ) and expose the jars and tubs to light from all spectrums of the scale except yellow APPARENTLY it cuts the time to completey fill the bag to full colonization to 12-14 days ( without a break and shake!!”)instead of 21-28 days avoiding the contains that occurs in more likelihood at the 16+ day mark, also they had a reduction in time to colonize tubs and fruit in only 1 to 2 weeks from when the time the spawn goes into the substrate there has to be something to it if they went and patented the idea, I’m not gonna steal it but I’m gonna use it to crest my own ideas, this video seems to prove the theory in a way, the WBS did best my guess is its more complex nutritionally or had a more compleat nutrient base better for the mushroom, so Recap- good nutrition + sound + lights (not yellow) + OH I FORGOT they used only -OPH water so around 9ph water, they said water that -400 to -600 OPH (or OHP I can’t remember) but that basically translates out to ionized charged 9ph water they said it was give it them HUGE HUGE HUGE increases in not only YEILD but also POTENCY….. I’ve also heard of 15% increases of potency (tested on a machine) by adding powder oyster shell, 5% by volume gypsum ( use brewers gypsum they put trykadeema bacteria in garden gypsum ) and 2%-5% coffee grounds by volume (or just do like 1 cup coffee to 10 cups water)
P.S - Pumpkin & Squash seeds, Canihua, Purple Corn, and Chia seeds, maybe some purple or brown Rice…. Mix all those together ( you may want to sprout and boil them separately and then mix some get soft and burst quicker then others ) in theory if you sterilize correctly then their should be no problems regardless of if they burst or not but better safe then sorry
I knew it! Running brown rice at the moment in jars, started with 90SM strata though! Best brown rice I’ve used in the 90s range is the brown rice and medley… dunno if have it in US but in aus it’s fastest colonisation times for me so far
Just recently found your channel, and I am not disappointed. Keep the amazing content coming! You and 90SM have both helped me tremendously in learning this hobby. Thank you for what you do!
First of all thank you so much for all your hard work and your videos, you're absolutely the finest source on UA-cam for beginning my call just & beyond, I've never tried brown rice got to give it a shot, I've had best luck with fully colonized within ten or twelve days.
WOW, what an amazing amount of work you put into making this video! Thanks!! i have been using rye since i started 3 years ago & I have had massive amounts of troubles with the local rye & contamination (black pin mold and/or a red/orange cobweb mold) over the last 6 or so months that I've now switched to popcorn, looks like I am going to have to put some thought into switching to brown rice :)
Thank you for the kind words! Sorry that rye didn't treat you well. I hope the experience with popcorn was a lot better! Maybe give brown rice a try! 😄
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher the popcorn has been great, just prepped 10kg's the other day & i picked up 4kg's of brown rice to try it out. hope everything is going well for you & yours!!
I love your content, thanks for creating it and putting here for us to learn with you! I believe you deserve a great nice camera, with good autofocus and appropriate lenses to zoom in that mycelium forming and also a nice stabilization thingy so the shots aren't shaken. Thanks for putting yourself out there, you're kicking butts
If I was back in school and needed an example of using the scientific method, I would use this video. Absolutely on point. Thanks so much for your video. I learned a lot!
I’ve been waiting for this new nft drop for the longest😅. Truly am thankful for this, couldn’t find a more truer human being then you. Thank you for being alive.
Gotta say I'm stoked see your test included red milo and that it performed as well as it did! From my grain co-op sells basically all the grains in your test (minus popcorn and brown rice) in your choice of whole, cracked, or rolled form. Rye, and Barley being on the upper end of the price scale at $55/$34/per 50# sac but they sell Red Milo for $14/per 50#.. and if you buy in bulk, like purchasing a cubic yard grain sac (which is essentially 2000lbs, generally a little less depending on the grain) the pricing drops to $500-700
I'm testing buckwheat groats atm, will report in ~2 weeks if they worked. They've been very promising so far, first signs of colonization showed after just 4-5 days even though I've used a solid Petri dish cutting instead of a LC!
@@hamable1995 they seem to have colonized very well and in a rather short time (not even 2 weeks for full colonization with a thick white layer on top with pinning) although they are very wet/slimy, which might become a problem later on I think...? Will report back in some time :)
Short update: As I thought, the groats were too wet and the whole thing got contaminated. It was very promising though, so I'm going to try again but this time let it steam off for a lot longer so that the groats are dry-ish to touch.
This was a great video/experiment, great job! I tried using popcorn once but it was with a spore syringe, and nothing germinated at all. I can’t wait until I find a source for LC strains because I want to try popcorn again it was so easy to prep and easy to find
Brown rice has always been very good for me. WBS was also pretty good when I used it. And I found popcorn was actually pretty hard to fully colonize. But that was probably due to bad moisture on my part. I think it's best to find one that you like and master the technique. I will always use Brown rice...Thanks PGT, a great video as always!
FYI if you search really hard you can find some 16 oz wide mouth canning jars that are like the 12-part that don't have any neck and so you can just shake out the cake without having to break it up which is awesome because it holds the moisture longer and can have additional fruits and flushes in comparison to others that have to be rehydrated in theory
Love the experiment and looks welll controlled. One thing I would like to see is all the grains (other than wbs) mixed and compared to the individual samples. I have a hunch that variety is the spice of life when it comes to grain spawn but that is pure conjecture.
I've only ever ran brown rice and popcorn but have noticed brown rice colonized faster for me. Harder to get proper hydration on smaller grain but worth it. I've even ran mixed jars of rice and popcorn and I'll get colonization in the rice around the corn at first then it starts going for the corn after
Party on Wayne! Been watching your old videos for over a year straight and wanted to say, THANK YOU. It's crazy because you posted this while I'm literally in the middle of testing three grains.
Nice clean work, and a great experiment - subscribed! One suggestion, however, which I'd love to see you test for in future: "15 psi" doesn't, in itself, sterilize grain. It allows the interior of our pressure chambers to reach higher temperatures. We've found that, with precise monitoring and control of actual temperatures, we can dial in the nutritional profile of each grain, tailored to the preferences of each specific strain. This results in faster, more robust spawning (which drives out opportunistic bacteria and mold), better fruiting yields, less wasted grain, and more efficient use of energy and labor - this, of course, streamlines and grows businesses, for those working to meet the demands of the booming mushroom consumer market. For the home grower, and the mushroom farmer who is bootstrapping their way into the mushroom goldrush, "The Big Fun Guy" company has created a control box (called "The Control Box") which fits all standard pressure cookers, allowing precise, pre-set temperature control. They also produce a sophisticated autoclave called "The Big Unit," with two, moveable, temperature probes, that processes either 50 or 80 gallons of grain at a time. The Big Unit is insulated, which, in conjunction with off-cycles in the heating program, harnesses passive thermodynamics to ensure that every grain in the mass is heated evenly to the same, precise temperature. The Big Unit is also horizontal in orientation, avoiding the problems of "tower" style autoclaves designed for the brewing industry - specifically scorching of grain down near the heating element, and at the top, where heat gathers. The Big Unit is human-scale, offering much greater labor efficiency, and allowing growers the agility to prepare different grains, with differently optimized nutritional profiles, for the simultaneous cultivation of different strains. Mycelium really does have a preference, and it makes a huge difference. If you want to know more, feel free to email me at: dan (at) thebigfunguy (dot) com.
Exactly my thoughts as well. Strange as most peeps discourage the use of brown rice. They say it has higher risk of contamination. But PGT is the GOAT for sure. 💪
This is a great video. It was very informative! I've used rye and popcorn, but now I want to try sorghum. I'm curious to see how well it works and yields from it.
I tested cat grass seeds on a whim while doing popcorn tek and they worked pretty well. Been wanting to try quinoa and amaranth because of the high nutri levels
I used some of the Bobs Red Mill Sorghum due to it being on sale and I noticed how ideal the quinoa and amaranth look and got curious as well. The sorghum is easy to prep and does seem to pump out the fruits (and fast!). I’m sure I’ll pick some of the other two up next visit to ocean state job lot just for a try; report back with results if you try and I’ll do the same.
would love to see all sorts of different tek explored and explained in this experiments playlist you made! Have you heard of bubblewrap tek? Friend of mine said he had really fast pinning using it
Good video! Thank you a lot! But, instead of just grading by the speed of colonization, could we measure yield in grams, over however many flushes the resulting cake was able to achieve in plain Coir? Divide the achieved weight by days. 6 grams per day start to last flush would be a very useful number :)
Hello Sensei. Thanks to your vids I'm nailing down most parts of the process. I have a quick question. Can you add peptone in any other moment besides when making liquid culture? Like add to bulk substrate for example.. Thanks for your time and knowledge. Greetings from Argentina
As I've seen in Marijuana strains that finish late in the season and have cold tolerances have the highest potency in my experience I wonder if that principle is true for the slower growing grains if they have higher quality shrooms
Thank you for the lessons! Your videos are very educational. I feel my knowledge is a bit rusty after over a year break from studying mycology. I had experimented little and due to health conditions I was forced to have a break and my LC spoiled meanwhile. I’m ready to restart but now all I have is 1 spore print and 5ml spores suspended on water. Unfortunately I am not able to get more. I have materials for grains on jars, bags, agar, LC, bulk substrate… What would you recommend I start with so I make the best of the little I have. I am interested in starting a good self sustaining cycle loop so I don’t waste the spores I have. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!
Greetings Sensei. I wanted to give my very sincere gratitude for sharing your knowledge and experience. I have learned, more than I thought possible at the start of my journey into mycology and much of that has to do with what you share as well as how well you communicate and present the information. You and your work are greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I'm glad I was able to help share knowledge and support your journey. I wish you the best on your journey. I would not be able to do this without you and everyone else in this amazing community! Thank you for being a part of this together! 🙏🍄
Depends on the variety you're growing, of course. Also, if you're terrible at prepping a good grain for said species, but good at prepping okay grains for your purpose, you choose the one that's better prepped every time.
A big thank you to you. 90sec and Keys also. My wife and I are about to harvest our first flush from the first 2 bags we’ve ever inoculated. Thanks for the great advice.
Do you think it possible to inoculate or sporecoat wild bird seeds, in such a way, that the seeds are still good food for Birds?, could be a great way to spread mushrooms. :) Thanks
Thanks for the good info in a low key, no hype video. I haven't grown shrooms yet, but will definitely start with brown rice since it seems to have the best chance of success for a newbie.
Great videos and thanks for sharing all the knowledge! I made 8 quart jars of spawn, but I only need two at the moment. How long can the other jars sit without being inoculated? Also, If I let them sit, should I have a hole in the top of the mason jar lid plugged with polyfil so the rice can breathe, or sealed completely shut?
What happens if you mix all the grains and add a substrate mix of brown rice flour, vermulite, gypsum, and coco coir, would that make like a super nutrient ground for my shrooms or would it just overload them and kill them?
I don't have a pressure cooker and have been sterilizing pop corn jars and pillowcase pasteurization my sub mix using a large canning pot, works very well for me
How are you able to pressure cook your grains without creating a ton of condensation inside the jars? Even wrapped in aluminum foil a ton of condensation is happening with popcorn that was dried thoroughly before being put in the jars
Love all your videos PGT!! I'm a big fan of WBS but after watching this makes me wonder? Cost of grains versus availability? Will have to do more research on acquiring the other grains for sure! Love everything you put out there for us as always
thanks for sharing, I recently started using hard red winter wheat opposed to rye because its moving quicker by a few days for me, testing some other grains as well
What mushroom are you growing here? Cubensis? I think outcomes really depend on the species, for example I had terrible luck with rice and popcorn for lion's mane, but rye worked really well.
Hi there, I made the error of giving them a soak (6h) in hot water, by which time they were all split. I take it you did a cold soak? How long did they need to simmer? Because they were unusable for spawn I just cooked it all and am now going to be eating rice for every meal for the next few days (as my other rather large error was to soak a batch of 600g dry). I've previously used rye and WBS and have had issues with contam, I was thinking that was down to incomplete sterilisation as my old PC didn't have a guage, and some issues with moisture balance so thought I'd give rice a go. Thanks in advance.
Hi teacher 👋 Is there any way you can adjust the mic so there's not so much noise cancellation? Your older videos are crystal clear but for the past year or so it sounds muffled. Thank you for the consideration.
i just ordered my first ever lc syringe (cullinary though, not the good stuff😂) still interesting to see the differences in grain in one video... might join the 🎉 after cullinary works out. so far your channel has helped me alot to try and start growing at home, along with dr. stamets and tavis lynches books. but i like videos better than just reading and pictures.
Glad to have found your channel. I am interested in growing my own mushrooms and happen to have a bag of red wheat berries that I bought for baking bread. What is your thoughts on using this since I have it on hand?
I ran a test with 3 strains on 6 different grains and by far found whole wheatberries to be the best grain for my location and needs. Then also use the wheat-soak water to hydrate my fruiting block substrate mix and to mix up lc's. But with no break-n-shake, the wheat jars were colonized the fastest across the board for me.
@@beanfiend212 for lc I use 1qt water to 25g sugar base (I use honey), plus about 1/2tsp soy peptone (optional). Its really helpful to put a magnetic stir bar in with the lc, then you can use a stir plate to mix it up really well before use.
@@SimonCoates I would imagine for honey to work as an antifungal it would need to be pure, undiluted. But in this case we're using 1qt of water to 25g honey... that's what, 2.6%? Most pharmaceuticals would do absolutely nothing for you if you took them at 2.6% strength. It's just a food source at that point. I did a test using 5 different sugar bases and honey was the best (for me). Plus, fungi grown with honey transfer to wheat very easily.
@@SimonCoates For some reason UA-cam isn't posting my responses. Yes, I've used 5 total sugar bases and honey is the best for me. If honey is antifungal, it's at full purity, not diluted down to 2.6%. At that point it's just a food source.
That will be amazing to get a setup going. I'm glad to hear you want to join the hobby! It's truly a wonderful experience growing! I wish you the best on your journey!🙏🍄
I have done my own experiments with grains to see what works best. I can say the Rye I'm gettin in my area is garbage. Very slow to colonize and hard to steralize. Went back to Popcorn and never looked back. 3 to 5 weeks to fully colonize a quart jar with coffee and gypsum. When you gave weights at the end, was that wet weight?
The world needs more citizen scientists like this
Unfortunately academia has become an ego driving hateful political high school.
@@FacesintheStoneShorts he’s talking about citizen scientists. Not school.
But thank you for the insight.
@@vogelvogeltje oh, you don’t have to thank me, I think that You* might be misunderstanding that academia has become an ego driven and hateful political high school. I support Mr Brill’s comment.
@@FacesintheStoneShortshas it tho?
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Dude, a very nice gift to the community. Thank you. As always, you continue to deserve the name...Teacher.
Thank you as well! I wouldn't be able to do this without you and this wonderful community! Mush love 🍄
Dare I say, "Golden Teacher"?
The feed store down the road has 55lb bags of rye for next to nothing. But the prep for brown rice is so much easier and my yields are 100% identical to my rye tubs - as well the brown rice always colonizes faster, sometimes shockingly so with certain strains at a higher incubation temp. It's like the hardcore mycologist in me doesn't want to admit the easy "beginner's" grain is the best - and wants to jump through a bunch of hoops to feel more advanced..... but the real-world yields and potency from brown rice simply can't be denied!
ive been watching grain spawn videos for about a week now, there are a few folks who've done similar experiments to this video. it seems like the best advice is to do an experiment for each mushroom type. if you go through and watch all these videos, there appears to be a consensus generally about rye berry, millet, etc being the best choices, and then depending on the mushroom type there is a superior choice, usually in terms of fruiting time and yield .
I get best results with red milo.
@@huemann7637 just picked up a 50 pound bag of red milo aka sorghum hopefully the mycelium love it!
@dharmasky5928 yeah I would stick to human food grade grains, more regulation than animal grain
I’ve have some jars of brown rice that I inoculated last week and these mfs are already almost fully colonized less than a week later
Summary for grains
Colonisation time:
1. WBS
2. Sorghum & Brown rice
3. Milo & Popcorn
4. Millet & Oats & Ryeberry
5. Wheatgrass
Biological efficiency/best fruiter:
1. Brown rice (501g)
2. Ryeberry (492g)
3. Sorghum (429g)
4. Millet, Oats, Popcorn, Milo & WBS (300-380g)
This, like the rest of your content, is super helpful, informative, and engaging. Love the amount of effort you put in sharing knowledge that cost you time and money for free to strangers to make the world better
Thank you so much for the kind words, truly. I'm glad you appreciate the content. I am happy to share what I have learned! I'm grateful for everyone here and wouldn't be able to do this without everyone here in this wonderful community! I'm glad to be a part of this journey with all of you! 🙏
I soooo agree arcies! PGT rocks.
You've been so helpful PGT I've always thought mushrooms are a gift to this planet and can help people in ways that is so necessary in our current times, I thank you personally for you have helped me when I contacted you through discord you always got back to me ❤️🙏🙋
Well said and agree.
I love in depth, detailed, experiments like this. Great work PGT!
What strikes me is not the difference in colonization time, but the end yield. Brown rice was not only the fastest to pin but had the highest fruiting yield. Thank you PGT.
Yeah this experiment should be measuring total yield after multiple flushes.
LFG PGT…. Been following you for years. Happy you came back on. You certainly enhanced my harvesting journey years back and grateful to see you coming out with this type content. Can’t wait! Mush Love All!
Yup, he was huuuuge in my beginning period and i still come back for tips.
Super happy to see this. Just inoculated my first batches that Ive made from scratch and they were all brown rice, so I'm glad I made the right choice 😁
Thanks so much, fascinating video. I’ve mostly worked with brown rice but I’ve tried many others. My method for brown rice is: put the brown rice in a saucepan with water 0.6 times the weight of rice. So if you have 500g of BR, add 300g of cold water plus gypsum. Give it low flame for about 20mins, open to stir and give it about 10 more minutes, maybe reducing the flame a little. When the water is all absorbed, load into jars. Pressure cook. Do a hot shake. This method works great! No rinsing. There will probably be some small clumps after the shake and mix but it will all colonize just fine. No boiling and this nothing lost to leaching. I have jars finish in ~16 days.
I would like to try this
Fresh From the Farm Fungi did a similar video . Millet was one of the slowest to colonize the grains but it was the fastest to grow actual mushrooms once spawned to bulk.
Awesome experiment PGT! Thank you for all you do for the myco community! Many of us would not be here if it wasn’t for you and all your incredible support and instruction!!!!
Thank you! I would not be able to do this without you and the rest of this wonderful community, I thank you as well! 🙏🍄
Nice! I've always used Oats just because of their sheer ability to take horrendous abuse. I can over cook them by a long shot and they still don't explode on me.
You sir are a scholar and a gentleman! Cheers for your work, efforts, and passion!
I guess I'll use brown rice instead of red wheat berries from now on and popcorn as a backup source when needed. Thanks for sharing your experiment results🙂.
Perfect timing of this vid! Thank you for sharing and doing this. I was just wondering if different grains and stuff made much of a difference. Thank you again for doing a real world test of so many different types!!
This must have been an incredible amount of work/process. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
Thanks for everything you have done for the community pgt and 90 min mush love guys :)
Thank you so much for being a part of this journey together! Mush love! 🙏
This is fantastic. Thank you for trying this out for the benefit of the community. As always your videos are well made, easy to understand, and a pleasure to watch.
Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoy the videos! I'm thankful for everyone in this wonderful community, I wouldn't be able to do this without all of you! 🙏🍄
What is got from this is that a mix of grains is better than a single one!
I was poking around the US patent page looking for any mushroom related breakthrough and I found one regarding potency’s % and medicinal increase along with MASSIVE YEILD INCREASES, they were saying that a minimum of two compleat proteins and at least one starchy structural grain ( but that’s just the minimum you can add more their patent was for 8 grains ) gives a perfect diet for the mushroom, the gyst of what they were saying is the IF you add compleat protines and a good startchie structural grain together (the more kinds of grains the more diverse nutrients will be introduced COLORS MATTER purple corn, red quinoa, black quinoa ect, because mushroom are sponges they are even finding if you grow on cannabis it absorbs some of the cbd and cdn and stuff), add the stimulants of sound ranging from 200hz to 855hz ( if your useing agar play the sound when it’s growing on that too 222hz has been shown to be best for stimulation of general cell growth in other experiments ) and expose the jars and tubs to light from all spectrums of the scale except yellow APPARENTLY it cuts the time to completey fill the bag to full colonization to 12-14 days ( without a break and shake!!”)instead of 21-28 days avoiding the contains that occurs in more likelihood at the 16+ day mark, also they had a reduction in time to colonize tubs and fruit in only 1 to 2 weeks from when the time the spawn goes into the substrate there has to be something to it if they went and patented the idea, I’m not gonna steal it but I’m gonna use it to crest my own ideas, this video seems to prove the theory in a way, the WBS did best my guess is its more complex nutritionally or had a more compleat nutrient base better for the mushroom, so Recap- good nutrition + sound + lights (not yellow) + OH I FORGOT they used only -OPH water so around 9ph water, they said water that -400 to -600 OPH (or OHP I can’t remember) but that basically translates out to ionized charged 9ph water they said it was give it them HUGE HUGE HUGE increases in not only YEILD but also POTENCY….. I’ve also heard of 15% increases of potency (tested on a machine) by adding powder oyster shell, 5% by volume gypsum ( use brewers gypsum they put trykadeema bacteria in garden gypsum ) and 2%-5% coffee grounds by volume (or just do like 1 cup coffee to 10 cups water)
P.S - Pumpkin & Squash seeds, Canihua, Purple Corn, and Chia seeds, maybe some purple or brown Rice…. Mix all those together ( you may want to sprout and boil them separately and then mix some get soft and burst quicker then others ) in theory if you sterilize correctly then their should be no problems regardless of if they burst or not but better safe then sorry
Your content is top notch. Been following you for years. Keep it up!
I knew it! Running brown rice at the moment in jars, started with 90SM strata though! Best brown rice I’ve used in the 90s range is the brown rice and medley… dunno if have it in US but in aus it’s fastest colonisation times for me so far
Thanks for putting the hard work in for all of us out here reaping the benefits. It's great to see you back at it. Mush love ❤
Mush love! 🙏🍄
Just recently found your channel, and I am not disappointed. Keep the amazing content coming! You and 90SM have both helped me tremendously in learning this hobby. Thank you for what you do!
Thank you so much. I'm glad to have you here and a part of this journey together! 🙏
First of all thank you so much for all your hard work and your videos, you're absolutely the finest source on UA-cam for beginning my call just & beyond, I've never tried brown rice got to give it a shot, I've had best luck with fully colonized within ten or twelve days.
Thank you for the kind words! I would not be able to do this without all of you in this amazing community. It's worth giving a try to brown rice! 😁🍄
WOW, what an amazing amount of work you put into making this video!
Thanks!!
i have been using rye since i started 3 years ago & I have had massive amounts of troubles with the local rye & contamination (black pin mold and/or a red/orange cobweb mold) over the last 6 or so months that I've now switched to popcorn, looks like I am going to have to put some thought into switching to brown rice :)
Thank you for the kind words! Sorry that rye didn't treat you well. I hope the experience with popcorn was a lot better! Maybe give brown rice a try! 😄
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher the popcorn has been great, just prepped 10kg's the other day & i picked up 4kg's of brown rice to try it out.
hope everything is going well for you & yours!!
I love your content, thanks for creating it and putting here for us to learn with you! I believe you deserve a great nice camera, with good autofocus and appropriate lenses to zoom in that mycelium forming and also a nice stabilization thingy so the shots aren't shaken. Thanks for putting yourself out there, you're kicking butts
If I was back in school and needed an example of using the scientific method, I would use this video. Absolutely on point. Thanks so much for your video. I learned a lot!
You, 90second mycology, & rookie mycologist got me started on my journey. I appreciate you my guy.
I wish you the best on your journey 🙏🍄 mush love
I’ve been waiting for this new nft drop for the longest😅. Truly am thankful for this, couldn’t find a more truer human being then you. Thank you for being alive.
Gotta say I'm stoked see your test included red milo and that it performed as well as it did! From my grain co-op sells basically all the grains in your test (minus popcorn and brown rice) in your choice of whole, cracked, or rolled form. Rye, and Barley being on the upper end of the price scale at $55/$34/per 50# sac but they sell Red Milo for $14/per 50#.. and if you buy in bulk, like purchasing a cubic yard grain sac (which is essentially 2000lbs, generally a little less depending on the grain) the pricing drops to $500-700
Another great video Philly thanks for your hardwork
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I'm testing buckwheat groats atm, will report in ~2 weeks if they worked. They've been very promising so far, first signs of colonization showed after just 4-5 days even though I've used a solid Petri dish cutting instead of a LC!
it’s been 13 days almost 2 weeks what’s going on
@@hamable1995 they seem to have colonized very well and in a rather short time (not even 2 weeks for full colonization with a thick white layer on top with pinning) although they are very wet/slimy, which might become a problem later on I think...? Will report back in some time :)
Short update: As I thought, the groats were too wet and the whole thing got contaminated. It was very promising though, so I'm going to try again but this time let it steam off for a lot longer so that the groats are dry-ish to touch.
This was a great video/experiment, great job! I tried using popcorn once but it was with a spore syringe, and nothing germinated at all. I can’t wait until I find a source for LC strains because I want to try popcorn again it was so easy to prep and easy to find
Exactly what i was searching for !
You never dissapoint thanks a hole lot :)
Brown rice has always been very good for me. WBS was also pretty good when I used it. And I found popcorn was actually pretty hard to fully colonize. But that was probably due to bad moisture on my part. I think it's best to find one that you like and master the technique. I will always use Brown rice...Thanks PGT, a great video as always!
Add a teaspoon or so of used coffee grains to your popcorn, it wont disappoint
@@Millzspecadd coffee to soak,simmer, or jar?
@@natekerx85 the boil
thank you I had no idea brown rice was this good. It's reassuring as a beginner that the easy solution won't affect the quality
What a terrific video! This experiment answered many questions for me! Keep it up!
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FYI if you search really hard you can find some 16 oz wide mouth canning jars that are like the 12-part that don't have any neck and so you can just shake out the cake without having to break it up which is awesome because it holds the moisture longer and can have additional fruits and flushes in comparison to others that have to be rehydrated in theory
Love your content!!! Could we get a video(s) on second flushes, dipping cakes, and stuff of that matter?
Love the experiment and looks welll controlled. One thing I would like to see is all the grains (other than wbs) mixed and compared to the individual samples. I have a hunch that variety is the spice of life when it comes to grain spawn but that is pure conjecture.
I've only ever ran brown rice and popcorn but have noticed brown rice colonized faster for me. Harder to get proper hydration on smaller grain but worth it. I've even ran mixed jars of rice and popcorn and I'll get colonization in the rice around the corn at first then it starts going for the corn after
Party on Wayne!
Been watching your old videos for over a year straight and wanted to say, THANK YOU.
It's crazy because you posted this while I'm literally in the middle of testing three grains.
Did you get similar results?
Nice clean work, and a great experiment - subscribed!
One suggestion, however, which I'd love to see you test for in future: "15 psi" doesn't, in itself, sterilize grain. It allows the interior of our pressure chambers to reach higher temperatures. We've found that, with precise monitoring and control of actual temperatures, we can dial in the nutritional profile of each grain, tailored to the preferences of each specific strain. This results in faster, more robust spawning (which drives out opportunistic bacteria and mold), better fruiting yields, less wasted grain, and more efficient use of energy and labor - this, of course, streamlines and grows businesses, for those working to meet the demands of the booming mushroom consumer market.
For the home grower, and the mushroom farmer who is bootstrapping their way into the mushroom goldrush, "The Big Fun Guy" company has created a control box (called "The Control Box") which fits all standard pressure cookers, allowing precise, pre-set temperature control. They also produce a sophisticated autoclave called "The Big Unit," with two, moveable, temperature probes, that processes either 50 or 80 gallons of grain at a time. The Big Unit is insulated, which, in conjunction with off-cycles in the heating program, harnesses passive thermodynamics to ensure that every grain in the mass is heated evenly to the same, precise temperature. The Big Unit is also horizontal in orientation, avoiding the problems of "tower" style autoclaves designed for the brewing industry - specifically scorching of grain down near the heating element, and at the top, where heat gathers. The Big Unit is human-scale, offering much greater labor efficiency, and allowing growers the agility to prepare different grains, with differently optimized nutritional profiles, for the simultaneous cultivation of different strains.
Mycelium really does have a preference, and it makes a huge difference. If you want to know more, feel free to email me at: dan (at) thebigfunguy (dot) com.
I really didn't expect the brown rice to perform that well! Totally thought it was something us beginners used just casue its clean cheap and easy.
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Exactly my thoughts as well. Strange as most peeps discourage the use of brown rice. They say it has higher risk of contamination. But PGT is the GOAT for sure. 💪
This is a great video. It was very informative! I've used rye and popcorn, but now I want to try sorghum. I'm curious to see how well it works and yields from it.
I'd be interested in seeing a similar video testing mixes of the top contenders
I tested cat grass seeds on a whim while doing popcorn tek and they worked pretty well. Been wanting to try quinoa and amaranth because of the high nutri levels
I used some of the Bobs Red Mill Sorghum due to it being on sale and I noticed how ideal the quinoa and amaranth look and got curious as well. The sorghum is easy to prep and does seem to pump out the fruits (and fast!). I’m sure I’ll pick some of the other two up next visit to ocean state job lot just for a try; report back with results if you try and I’ll do the same.
I’ve been wanting to try legumes due to their 2x protein content over regular grass seeds
Pretty acidic
Thank you PGT for the educational videos.. love your mycology how to videos and experiments!🍄❤️
would love to see all sorts of different tek explored and explained in this experiments playlist you made! Have you heard of bubblewrap tek? Friend of mine said he had really fast pinning using it
Good video! Thank you a lot! But, instead of just grading by the speed of colonization, could we measure yield in grams, over however many flushes the resulting cake was able to achieve in plain Coir? Divide the achieved weight by days. 6 grams per day start to last flush would be a very useful number :)
Hello Sensei. Thanks to your vids I'm nailing down most parts of the process. I have a quick question. Can you add peptone in any other moment besides when making liquid culture? Like add to bulk substrate for example.. Thanks for your time and knowledge. Greetings from Argentina
@11:16 what is CBG? Im new and dont know all the terminology. He is talking about a 1:1 ratio of grain spawn to CBG?
As I've seen in Marijuana strains that finish late in the season and have cold tolerances have the highest potency in my experience I wonder if that principle is true for the slower growing grains if they have higher quality shrooms
Thank you for all of your effort and willingness to share your knowledge. We appreciate you PGT ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you as well for being a part of this journey together, I wouldn't be able to do this without all of you in this wonderful community! 🙏🍄
Absolute BANGER of a video!
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Thank you for the lessons! Your videos are very educational.
I feel my knowledge is a bit rusty after over a year break from studying mycology. I had experimented little and due to health conditions I was forced to have a break and my LC spoiled meanwhile.
I’m ready to restart but now all I have is 1 spore print and 5ml spores suspended on water. Unfortunately I am not able to get more.
I have materials for grains on jars, bags, agar, LC, bulk substrate… What would you recommend I start with so I make the best of the little I have. I am interested in starting a good self sustaining cycle loop so I don’t waste the spores I have.
Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!
Newbie here and I have learnt soo much from your content. Thank you! and please keep coming out with more videos.
Just started my journey! Please keep the videos coming. 🤝
He is one of the best. And he is one that i can understand with my learning disabilities.
Wish you the best on your journey! 🙏🍄
Greetings Sensei. I wanted to give my very sincere gratitude for sharing your knowledge and experience. I have learned, more than I thought possible at the start of my journey into mycology and much of that has to do with what you share as well as how well you communicate and present the information. You and your work are greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I'm glad I was able to help share knowledge and support your journey. I wish you the best on your journey. I would not be able to do this without you and everyone else in this amazing community! Thank you for being a part of this together! 🙏🍄
im now going with BRF and vermiculite since i had alot of problems with contamination on grains, got 4 jars ! thx for content
Thank you for being here. I wish you the best on your journey! 🙏
Depends on the variety you're growing, of course. Also, if you're terrible at prepping a good grain for said species, but good at prepping okay grains for your purpose, you choose the one that's better prepped every time.
clicked SO fast, yaaaass! exactly the person i wanted to see do something like this. very extensive, thank you so so much!
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reallly nice work here! I love the scientific rigor
Great experiment and professionally executed. Thanks for the amazing info. Looks like i wont be changing from rice !!!
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Great video! very valuable information 🍄💫 can I ask, what species of mushrooms you used for this experiment? was it golden teacher?
A big thank you to you. 90sec and Keys also. My wife and I are about to harvest our first flush from the first 2 bags we’ve ever inoculated. Thanks for the great advice.
That's amazing. Congrats on your harvest 🍄😁
Do you think it possible to inoculate or sporecoat wild bird seeds, in such a way, that the seeds are still good food for Birds?, could be a great way to spread mushrooms. :)
Thanks
Thanks for the good info in a low key, no hype video. I haven't grown shrooms yet, but will definitely start with brown rice since it seems to have the best chance of success for a newbie.
Been looking forward to this vid since your podcast with Mycotropic - great content and really well presented. Mush love!
Thank you for the kind words. Mush love! 🙏🍄
Sorghum seems like a dark horse. Really impressed. It’s especially quite cheap! What strain were you colonising?
Dis you say CBG at 11:20. Wondering what bulk substrate that means, or maybe I misheard. .
Brown Rice, Wild Birdseed, Popcorn mix
Great videos and thanks for sharing all the knowledge! I made 8 quart jars of spawn, but I only need two at the moment. How long can the other jars sit without being inoculated? Also, If I let them sit, should I have a hole in the top of the mason jar lid plugged with polyfil so the rice can breathe, or sealed completely shut?
Great job. This is a ton of time put in. I appreciate it.
Wtf how ave I never found his channel! Your a great teacher. Thank you for the tips. My magical farm be is bussin now.
What happens if you mix all the grains and add a substrate mix of brown rice flour, vermulite, gypsum, and coco coir, would that make like a super nutrient ground for my shrooms or would it just overload them and kill them?
I love that PGT's content and video quality has sky rocket, but he still use is OG mic for voice over.
I come to listen to it.
It works! 😄
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher please don't change it.
I don't have a pressure cooker and have been sterilizing pop corn jars and pillowcase pasteurization my sub mix using a large canning pot, works very well for me
How are you able to pressure cook your grains without creating a ton of condensation inside the jars? Even wrapped in aluminum foil a ton of condensation is happening with popcorn that was dried thoroughly before being put in the jars
i’m so thankful for your videos! brown rice gang!!!
I'm thankful to have you here! I wouldn't be able to do this without everyone in this amazing community! 🙏🍄
Love all your videos PGT!! I'm a big fan of WBS but after watching this makes me wonder? Cost of grains versus availability? Will have to do more research on acquiring the other grains for sure! Love everything you put out there for us as always
I always scoop out the SF seeds. Had alot of trouble with contamination, that seems to have disappeared with the seeds gone.
Very helpful-as usual!! Thank you for putting in the work!!
Thank you for being a part of this journey together! 🙏🍄
Great experiment! I think the nutritional content of each grain is a bigger factor in colonization speed than inoculation points.
thanks for sharing, I recently started using hard red winter wheat opposed to rye because its moving quicker by a few days for me, testing some other grains as well
That's awesome 😁🍄
What mushroom are you growing here? Cubensis? I think outcomes really depend on the species, for example I had terrible luck with rice and popcorn for lion's mane, but rye worked really well.
Damn! I just started some lions mane in rice last night. Guess Ill order a buncha rye berries from amazon.
What about quinoa?? Do you think quinoa would make a good grain spawn?
Hi there, I made the error of giving them a soak (6h) in hot water, by which time they were all split. I take it you did a cold soak? How long did they need to simmer? Because they were unusable for spawn I just cooked it all and am now going to be eating rice for every meal for the next few days (as my other rather large error was to soak a batch of 600g dry). I've previously used rye and WBS and have had issues with contam, I was thinking that was down to incomplete sterilisation as my old PC didn't have a guage, and some issues with moisture balance so thought I'd give rice a go. Thanks in advance.
Hi teacher 👋 Is there any way you can adjust the mic so there's not so much noise cancellation? Your older videos are crystal clear but for the past year or so it sounds muffled. Thank you for the consideration.
i just ordered my first ever lc syringe (cullinary though, not the good stuff😂) still interesting to see the differences in grain in one video... might join the 🎉 after cullinary works out. so far your channel has helped me alot to try and start growing at home, along with dr. stamets and tavis lynches books. but i like videos better than just reading and pictures.
thank you, great stuff
PGT we love the content and appreciate every video you do make due to the flaws editing engaging topics. PGT he's the best
Thank you so much, I'm glad you find value in the content! I'm thankful to have you here in our journey together! 🙏
Glad to have found your channel. I am interested in growing my own mushrooms and happen to have a bag of red wheat berries that I bought for baking bread. What is your thoughts on using this since I have it on hand?
I ran a test with 3 strains on 6 different grains and by far found whole wheatberries to be the best grain for my location and needs. Then also use the wheat-soak water to hydrate my fruiting block substrate mix and to mix up lc's. But with no break-n-shake, the wheat jars were colonized the fastest across the board for me.
I know this is an older comment, but when using the wash water for LC do you add anything else to your water? LME? Corn syrup? Thanks
@@beanfiend212 for lc I use 1qt water to 25g sugar base (I use honey), plus about 1/2tsp soy peptone (optional).
Its really helpful to put a magnetic stir bar in with the lc, then you can use a stir plate to mix it up really well before use.
@@syberphish Can I ask why you use honey since it has antifungal properties. Have you compared the effectiveness of honey verses other sugars?
@@SimonCoates I would imagine for honey to work as an antifungal it would need to be pure, undiluted.
But in this case we're using 1qt of water to 25g honey... that's what, 2.6%?
Most pharmaceuticals would do absolutely nothing for you if you took them at 2.6% strength. It's just a food source at that point.
I did a test using 5 different sugar bases and honey was the best (for me). Plus, fungi grown with honey transfer to wheat very easily.
@@SimonCoates For some reason UA-cam isn't posting my responses. Yes, I've used 5 total sugar bases and honey is the best for me.
If honey is antifungal, it's at full purity, not diluted down to 2.6%. At that point it's just a food source.
Lets go! This is so cool can't wait to get a little setup going and start growing my own!!
That will be amazing to get a setup going. I'm glad to hear you want to join the hobby! It's truly a wonderful experience growing! I wish you the best on your journey!🙏🍄
I have done my own experiments with grains to see what works best. I can say the Rye I'm gettin in my area is garbage. Very slow to colonize and hard to steralize. Went back to Popcorn and never looked back. 3 to 5 weeks to fully colonize a quart jar with coffee and gypsum.
When you gave weights at the end, was that wet weight?
I use wheat with good success, only use it cause I can get it free. Hope you post some more content soon, you're videos are on point!