I recently bought a used laney cub10 and it packs a seriously smooth clean punch and mild smooth distortion when you hit a bit harder. Dynamic id say. I wish I tried laney sooner as the sound signature is a blend of everything. I’ve had a couple of the AC4s and they sound quite edgy and honky. One thing to note about the laney is the build quality is superb with a full thick steel chassis, ply wood box and about 50 screws holding it all together!
I picked up the Laney Cub 10 after seeing a KYG hidden gem video. I play jazz on a hollow body with compression and reverb. Perfect for at home quiet playing with amazing tone. It gets pretty hot under the handle. I hope the board isn’t at risk.
I love the cleans of the Laney and the overdrive of the vox. Wish they could be combined! I suppose it’d probably be pretty interesting to run them together.
Laney just has the most full sound of all of these. I've played the blackstar, the vox, and the Laney. The Cub 10 is actually pretty awesome. I didn't realize that I like the Laney tone so much, but, you compare the tone quality with the rest, and it totally works. You should also check out the Laney IRTPulse Preamp. It's a tube preamp, USB interface, Re-amper, all in a pedal sized package that has the Laney sound.
Really great review, loved that you discussed the pros and cons Kris! I'm seeing a used Cub 10 that I'm thinking of and this was just what I needed to see/hear. Thanks!
Some of that crunch probably comes from the slim MFD single coils on G&L guitars being a bit dark and crunchy, almost like a P90, the bigger MFD's are a bit brighter but not as bright as a classic single coil. I think for true chime you should go with a classic Jazzmaster, neck on a strat, or just simply a Telecaster.
Wow, this is why I always wondered why my ASAT doesn't sound like a regular telecaster. It's dark and fatty like a P90 but with a twang. I always love the sound I get from it but it never gave me that classic telecaster bite. Thank you for this information.
I played a used cub 10 for the first time today. I started to fall in love with it... Then it cut out. It had an issue with the transformer. It was only 179 bucks and was way too loud for guitar center.
@@grilledspaghetti I agree! I used to play an epiphone les paul through a laney cub. Just bought a pacifica and it sounds like that sound I always have in my head.
@@RaviLogan86 I use the lanes for practice not gigging as it is light and easy to carry with other gear. The reverb on my blues junior has failed twice too. Depends what you are after but for half the price the laney is a bargain. The blues junior feels better quality albeit less reliable in my case. You need to try then really before deciding. Good luck.
Don't bother buying a Laney Cub Super 12. I got sent a faulty one, which their own tech agreed was faulty. Retailer told me that they could not send a replacement because ALL CUB SUPERS HAD CABINET RATTLE and I SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO GIG OR RECORD WITH ONE. Laney supported this.
I'm torn between the Laney Cub 12R and the Fender Bassbreaker 007. They both sound really nice and I can get them for the same price. The only thing really pushing me towards the Laney is the build in reverb. Other than that, I'd like to hear some recommendations
Which one did you end up getting? I have a Cub12r and a Bassbreaker15 and love 'em both - but the Laney is definitely more pedal-friendly. The 007 Bassbreaker (in demos, I don't have one) has some serious class to it. It sounds Tweed-ish :)
Dustin Balog year get it, i have the Club 12r (the one with the r has reverb) and im reale satisfied with it. however i is Quitte loud, in thats a Problem for you
@@joeygarcia6647 More people are hearing impaired from loud music than from noise on the workplace. In the workplace we can protect people. It is sad for young people to lose their hearing sense before they meet good music.
Here are my two cents: I have tried A LOT speakers in this amp, modern and originals. For clean jazz tone the legend L 1218 is the best I have tried so far in it. A 16 ohmed G12T75 modern takes out the low mids so makes it sound very sparkly and fendery- good if you want to. A vintage V30 that had a dense steely tone- good for slide guitar. Greenbacks sound very woody, but are not my top choice. G1265- similar to the stock HH 1265 in many ways, very nice. The best was an EVM12L, original, in a thiele cab. And the best overall was an Eminence 16 ohm Lady Luck- unbelievable speaker. So good it make me email Eminence to ask for similar contemporary speakers of them (lady lauck is an OEM Emily speaker) and they informed me that their currently produced equivalents are the CV 75/ 65, Reignmaker, Governor and Legend L1275recommended- and they are correct, you may go with any of these!!! From Celestions for this amp I recommend: Alnico blue, gold, cream, ruby. G12H anniversary- not the Heritage. Any Creamback, especially the H75. V type first, A type second. G1265/ T75. 70-80/ G12P80. From Eminence those I mentioned first plus the GA SC64 plus many others. From Jensen C12N, K2, P12. This amp packs a lot of punchiness, boominess and low mids due to circuit design and small enclosure so you may need to compensate for that with the speaker choices. It is a GREAT amp, totally recommended.
Mirko Burroni amps have two power sections; pre-amp tubes and power tubes. Pre-amp is the (mostly) gain section, where you use the gain knob to go from clean to dirty. The harder you drive the pre-amp tubes, the more distortion you get. The volume knob is for the power tubes.the more volume coming out of the pre-amp tubes, the harder it hits the power tubes (which can cause those to distort or clip as well, which is where that real tube amp sound comes from. So more gain = louder into power amp = more volume. That's why people talk about "headroom", to get loud enough to play with a band AND still be clean, without clipping either set of tubes, you either need tubes that are resistant to clipping, or a lot of power. I'm on mobile so i took some license for brevity. Hope this helps.
So true! I have both amps and the Cub 10 is more bedroom/apartment friendly than the Vox AC4TV, even at their lowest wattage. The AC4TV does great beefy tones right out of the box though, but it'll piss the neighbors off. The Cub 10 is a Fender-like amp, the best and most affordable tube cleans you are going to find at that price level.
Have them both and for the guys whining about the dbs being to loud either move out your moms basement or get a new gf/wife that doesn’t care or just get rid of her all together 😂
FINALLY, someone who demos clean humbucker tones…
I recently bought a used laney cub10 and it packs a seriously smooth clean punch and mild smooth distortion when you hit a bit harder. Dynamic id say. I wish I tried laney sooner as the sound signature is a blend of everything. I’ve had a couple of the AC4s and they sound quite edgy and honky.
One thing to note about the laney is the build quality is superb with a full thick steel chassis, ply wood box and about 50 screws holding it all together!
I picked up the Laney Cub 10 after seeing a KYG hidden gem video. I play jazz on a hollow body with compression and reverb. Perfect for at home quiet playing with amazing tone. It gets pretty hot under the handle. I hope the board isn’t at risk.
I love the cleans of the Laney and the overdrive of the vox. Wish they could be combined! I suppose it’d probably be pretty interesting to run them together.
Laney just has the most full sound of all of these. I've played the blackstar, the vox, and the Laney. The Cub 10 is actually pretty awesome. I didn't realize that I like the Laney tone so much, but, you compare the tone quality with the rest, and it totally works. You should also check out the Laney IRTPulse Preamp. It's a tube preamp, USB interface, Re-amper, all in a pedal sized package that has the Laney sound.
Laney Cub series amps RULE
I got the cub 8 a few weeks back off Thomann. Absolutely love it. Sounds great as a studio/bedroom jamming amp, especially for €130 : )
caimin15221522 good to know ! I hesitate to buy one for home practice and recording.
Hm, isn't 5 W a bit too loud for home (apartment) use?
@@Olegstuff21986 I don't have it cranked all the time and it has a low output mode as well,
So ac4c1 seems too loud for bedroom practice…
Really great review, loved that you discussed the pros and cons Kris! I'm seeing a used Cub 10 that I'm thinking of and this was just what I needed to see/hear. Thanks!
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Nicely done. The AC4TV is a shimmering angry little beast of an amp (have one), but yep has almost no properly clean headroom.
Also got Laney Cub10 inbuilt into TubeTown Lemberg Cabinet 112 AM case with 12inch Jensen C12Q. Sounds very good with HB...
I've got the Laney 10. Love it.
my fav is lc15
The Bughera is brilliant
show some love for your revstar on the wall
Some of that crunch probably comes from the slim MFD single coils on G&L guitars being a bit dark and crunchy, almost like a P90, the bigger MFD's are a bit brighter but not as bright as a classic single coil. I think for true chime you should go with a classic Jazzmaster, neck on a strat, or just simply a Telecaster.
Wow, this is why I always wondered why my ASAT doesn't sound like a regular telecaster. It's dark and fatty like a P90 but with a twang. I always love the sound I get from it but it never gave me that classic telecaster bite. Thank you for this information.
Cub 10 for sure is my FAV and I will get that one soon. Thanks for the demo!
You won't be sorry. Have mine 4 years and it's my go to. LOUD
I played a used cub 10 for the first time today. I started to fall in love with it... Then it cut out. It had an issue with the transformer. It was only 179 bucks and was way too loud for guitar center.
It was possibly used mate, new amps don’t have this problem straight out the factory these are great little amps
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Cool now I definitely want the Laney Cub since I already have a Vox and Marshall and like the balance between crunch and Fender like cleans.
That Laney sounds wonderfull imo
Pau Díaz sounds like a bee in a jar!
.hn:hhh:"
I liked it clean, but not driven.
Much better with single coils.
@@grilledspaghetti I agree! I used to play an epiphone les paul through a laney cub. Just bought a pacifica and it sounds like that sound I always have in my head.
I have the vox ac4tv, its damn loud for appartment, even at 1/4 setting
Nd I was thinking that the ac15 won't be enough for my bedroom 😂
@@syamakhalder4646 it's definetely more than enough for me😂
Can you demo Laney Cub-12R?
I’ve got 2 and they are a great compromise. Sound good, good volume, light weight, takes pedals well and it’s compact. Not used my blues junior since.
@@philipTOMPSETT really? I am in doubt between those 2.
@@RaviLogan86 I use the lanes for practice not gigging as it is light and easy to carry with other gear. The reverb on my blues junior has failed twice too. Depends what you are after but for half the price the laney is a bargain. The blues junior feels better quality albeit less reliable in my case. You need to try then really before deciding. Good luck.
@@philipTOMPSETT I have a legend 1218 in my cub 12 that is heaven.
Don't bother buying a Laney Cub Super 12. I got sent a faulty one, which their own tech agreed was faulty. Retailer told me that they could not send a replacement because ALL CUB SUPERS HAD CABINET RATTLE and I SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO GIG OR RECORD WITH ONE. Laney supported this.
How’s clean at 4W, 9-o’clock? Is it cleaner than same position at 1W?
I'm torn between the Laney Cub 12R and the Fender Bassbreaker 007. They both sound really nice and I can get them for the same price. The only thing really pushing me towards the Laney is the build in reverb. Other than that, I'd like to hear some recommendations
Bassbreaker!
Which one did you end up getting? I have a Cub12r and a Bassbreaker15 and love 'em both - but the Laney is definitely more pedal-friendly. The 007 Bassbreaker (in demos, I don't have one) has some serious class to it. It sounds Tweed-ish :)
Bassbreaker amps have some serious technical build quality issues.
I like all of these amps. You did not include the best being a Supro. strange
I like my laney 12R cub. for a tube 112 amp it is quite small and light. More so than a 112 marshall of fender. plus the 1 watt choice
I find that the Laney saturates less quickly than the Vox It could be used for Jazz.
the Vox blows!
I want to buy Laney Cub, but bigger one, that Cub 12. Because of effect loop. Great amp
Dustin Balog year get it, i have the Club 12r (the one with the r has reverb) and im reale satisfied with it. however i is Quitte loud, in thats a Problem for you
Dungeons and Dragons is it still loud in the
Very useful info
Laney rules have one in the studio it kills
Does laney cub 10 have fx loop?
Rasec Silecar no, it doesn’t
Hallo Thomann,
was würdest du mir als anfänger aber bisschen purist empfehlen?
Vox ac40x oder Ac4 zurzeit habe keine Effect pedal oder so.
danke
I've had that Laney Cub 10 for 4 years and love it. LOUD
It definitely can get loud! Which genre are you playing with it? //Simon
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses All genres but rap.
Argh, we expected you to play a Run DMC/Eminem Mashup
85 dB(A) playing quiet for home use? At workplaces you have to wear ear protection at 85 dB(A).
What are you thinking?
You can also turn it down
Kajak Kajak move out of your parents basement you can play loud as you want
@@joeygarcia6647 More people are hearing impaired from loud music than from noise on the workplace. In the workplace we can protect people. It is sad for young people to lose their hearing sense before they meet good music.
@@fuglbird were in 2020 theres hearing aids and many other stuff to fix that
Is the ac4tv the 8" or 10"??
12
It’s a 10” theres an 8” version as well.
1:02 such a beautiful chord,,,,,,naaaaa! Although,the amp is great
It sounds like the guitar is out of tune....
Vox sounds best so far part 1 and 2. Of course its preference
Remove the rear case plate to let it open up and get a better speaker and a cheap reverb pedal...
Marshall sl5 demo ua-cam.com/video/AdDeodu521I/v-deo.html
@@DougHinVA did pretty much exactly that but got a 1x12 cab instead, made such a difference
Here are my two cents:
I have tried A LOT speakers in this amp, modern and originals.
For clean jazz tone the legend L 1218 is the best I have tried so far in it.
A 16 ohmed G12T75 modern takes out the low mids so makes it sound very sparkly and fendery- good if you want to.
A vintage V30 that had a dense steely tone- good for slide guitar.
Greenbacks sound very woody, but are not my top choice.
G1265- similar to the stock HH 1265 in many ways, very nice.
The best was an EVM12L, original, in a thiele cab.
And the best overall was an Eminence 16 ohm Lady Luck- unbelievable speaker.
So good it make me email Eminence to ask for similar contemporary speakers of them (lady lauck is an OEM Emily speaker) and they informed me that their currently produced equivalents are the CV 75/ 65, Reignmaker, Governor and Legend L1275recommended- and they are correct, you may go with any of these!!!
From Celestions for this amp I recommend:
Alnico blue, gold, cream, ruby.
G12H anniversary- not the Heritage.
Any Creamback, especially the H75.
V type first, A type second.
G1265/ T75.
70-80/ G12P80.
From Eminence those I mentioned first plus the GA SC64 plus many others.
From Jensen C12N, K2, P12.
This amp packs a lot of punchiness, boominess and low mids due to circuit design and small enclosure so you may need to compensate for that with the speaker choices.
It is a GREAT amp, totally recommended.
how those tube amps works?
when you turn up the gain you have to turn down the volume if you are in a bedroom with volume isses?
Mirko Burroni amps have two power sections; pre-amp tubes and power tubes. Pre-amp is the (mostly) gain section, where you use the gain knob to go from clean to dirty. The harder you drive the pre-amp tubes, the more distortion you get. The volume knob is for the power tubes.the more volume coming out of the pre-amp tubes, the harder it hits the power tubes (which can cause those to distort or clip as well, which is where that real tube amp sound comes from. So more gain = louder into power amp = more volume. That's why people talk about "headroom", to get loud enough to play with a band AND still be clean, without clipping either set of tubes, you either need tubes that are resistant to clipping, or a lot of power. I'm on mobile so i took some license for brevity. Hope this helps.
aixpert291 thank you very much
Quiet and dirty ....87dB....cool eh?
So... did anybody like the bugera?
me!
Yes, I have a Laney and Bugera, Both can be modded easily and offer great flexibility with a small form-factor.
Vox ac4tv is loud. Don't be fooled by the watts.
So true! I have both amps and the Cub 10 is more bedroom/apartment friendly than the Vox AC4TV, even at their lowest wattage. The AC4TV does great beefy tones right out of the box though, but it'll piss the neighbors off. The Cub 10 is a Fender-like amp, the best and most affordable tube cleans you are going to find at that price level.
I got both the AC4 combo with 1x12 speaker and the AC4 head with matching 1x12 cabinet. Those things are loud and great sounding amp!
correct even my tiny portable Vox g3 Mini amp has amazing sound and power for a small amp with only 3 watts power.
not for a bedroom
The only Problem of the AC4TV is that it is extremely loud !
yes impossible to play with in a bedroom
The Laney Cub 10 is a 6 W amp though :). Otherwise, cool review of this amp and nice playing!
Thats the Super Cub 10 - this is the older one and is 10w
Blackstar way better to my ears! Nice comparison Kris, love it ;)
Dear people... I have the Vox....into 2x12....you don't need anything else believe me....
For vox..
I had the Vox, it's very boxy. Sold it, bought something ridiculous instead.
What have you bought instead?
//Cheers, Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses A second-hand Ampeg Reverberocket 2x12 reissue.
THe VOX ca,n't be played in a bedroom = too loud
the Vox sounds loud : impossible for a bedroom
The 4 watt setting is loud I can vouch for that
even at 1/4 watt ?
@@pil00 this kind of amp is made for the crunch sound so, low watt : not interesting but there is the ac4 mini too
Have them both and for the guys whining about the dbs being to loud either move out your moms basement or get a new gf/wife that doesn’t care or just get rid of her all together 😂
only amp? or + screamer?