Wow! Good job! "She's alive, she's alive!" Glad you were able to make it work out! I'm liking the looks of the Mistress' front wheel, too. Would be cool if the rear hub looked like that as well. Congratulations, and thank you for another great vid!
Holy shit, that's a badass bike. Best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast of a bike. Now you can ride it around,and be proud of what you have created. Your like Dr. Frankenstein
You inspired me to bolt on 2 1200w Ebikeling motor kits to my 20 year old Key West cruiser. I’m 61 and when I drive by at 40mph while pedding really slowly, it gets a lot of attention!
I am grinning all through this video. Hats off for wearing all the protective gear. Might be a little crazy but not stupid. Can't wait for a warm dry day to see the tests. Just brilliant.
I have a 2016 RR and you've inspired me to get moving on getting the Bolton controller installed. Been too busy to do so. Don't take any criticism to heart; people want to beat up on anyone and everyone! You've created a beautiful monster there...well done! Jim
Thanks Jim! If people want to put negativity out in the world i just let them 🙂 you will really like the controller upgrade and it's super easy. Best of luck in your modifications, it's a slippery slope haha
I just got done building my Dual Mode E bike after months of thinking out the best way for there are many failures of not really practical while keeping the data system as jus 1 system. My base motor is my rear GEAR 500watt which I use the display of using. Trick is I only used the 2nd front 2000watt Direct drive motor once I get the Rear Gear motor running on Cruise Mode as the 2nd is the accelerated which pushes mph up to 60mph while riding over 10 miles long distance as with just using the DD motor you can only go so far at top speed of a minimal of 3 miles themost. With Gear motors you can ride 24plus miles at the least full throttle. This was the most practical method for my needs as I need to pull 150plus lbs for 12miles without having to cool down motor( Direct Drive motors Cons) Yeah!!! It is the Practical need as I'm glad I studied all the various failures and achievements.
A most excellent Video, young Man. I have a Silver Fox 'Slither' Downhill Bike, (look it up), that I have been planning to convert using two Independent Systems for VERY good reasons, and your Vid will aid my build greatly. The Slither, with its Full Suspension and massive Forks, is already nearly a Trials Motorbike without an engine, and looks just MADE for climbing or with its Full HD Suspension comfortable for road use depending on tyres. Where the Two Independent Systems come into their own is if you Climb or Cruise. With the 2 System System, (LOL!), you can apply as much Power to either wheel as you wish. If you are climbing, you need weight over and in the Front to pull you up, where the Rear will just shove the Front into the dirt, and if you are on the Road, acceleration is far more important than climbing ability, and sheer weight transfer in Physics, (my Job), throws your weight back on the Rear wheel where it can be used best. As both Systems F+R will be bought at the same time, I will be using Two Thumb Throttles and Screens neatly side by side. I want to know THIS ! How do you bypass the Peddle Assist so the Motor will respond directly to the Throttle ?? Do you simply disconnect it ?, and if so, with such power why have any connected at all ? Why not ride it like an Electric Motorbike ? Great Video, American Dude. .
Awesome man. I have nearly the exact same setup on my mongoose dolomite. I love it with the AWD. I have twist throttle on both sides. I can get over 60 miles using pedal assist on both sides.
This is an awesome upgrade ! You were right I pushed the connector in harder and I heard it pop / lock. I did wire both my motors to a single throttle and it is a hill climbing beast now. Thanks for the parts list and idea ! I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in Hickory NC with a dual motor Rover. LOL
Going with two batteries instead of one is better for battery health too imo. 65A is something like 3x the original power draw, that could heat the batteries up and possibly cause premature wear. I think you went about it the best way, I'd consider PAS only on the rear with linked throttle if it was an easy waterproof cable but it wouldn't be worth the effort to custom build one for me either.
I was kinda worried that there would be some sort of 'un-even-ness' with one motor fighting the other one, or maybe some instability between the two wheels, but apparently it's all even and works! I think I'd still want both motors to be able to be controlled through one throttle/pedal-assist system, though, instead of separately - that seems like it would feel strange to me (not having experienced anything like that). Great video, and Thank You for your continued experimentation with the RadRover - You're an inspiration to us 🙂
Generally speaking, it's best to run either a 2 channel controller, or two controllers that can communicate via canbus. Having them running from different controllers will work, with results dependent on how closely matched the two system are. But you don't get to fully leverage your hardware the way you can with synchronized controllers. You'll get higher efficiency with less wear, as well as implementing a limited slip feature where the controller backs off/cuts out power to a wheel that is spinning at a substantially higher speed. Two separate controllers over canbus, one battery that can be split into two (20s6p to 20s3p+20s3p) with a switch - gives you a single system that can be instantly split into two in the event of a component failure for 'limp home mode.'
diy moding ebikes is as fun as riding them. you should see the monstrosity ive been creating, its on a different level of complexity altogether, lots of failures but eventually we land success. like your bike, a success
Love your videos dude. They definitely sold me on the Radrover. I’m wanting to start upgrading mine too but I’m pretty happy with the electronics with the exception of maybe getting a second battery. First thing I plan to do to it is put a dropper seat post. Excited to see your top speed awd test, keep up the good work...
A friend gave me a folding bike for xmas and I purchased a 3000w luna mid drive for it and a 2100wh battery from eBay. I put a 4000 lumens headlight on it and several tail lights and some multicolored chicken lights down the side and only ride at night. It looks like a ufo and is a wheelie machine. I get stares from everyone when I'm passing cars and screaming down the greenway trails at 2a.m. It's the scariest bike I own!
this is one of the first major mods ill do when I get my new ariel rider KEPLER. after I now its running fine maybe a month. already have $600 upgrades all ready
Dear Mr. Cycle, I am a big fan of your videos. For a recent ebike buyer, the content is interesting, and the video production is excellent! Thanks, nerdguy
My dual ride will be done in the next week--just got the front hub motor today.My 750 pulls 1300 to 1400 watts up a similiar hill to what you did and is at about 12 to 14 throttle only and you can fel it strain.Like you i want the torque and want to make sure both motors last.I might as well spend the money now and extend the life and enjoy 2 motors.BTw someone did a chart and having both motors--each one works at like a fraction of the power then one trying to do it--so there is hardly any strain.I also have a steep trail near me--proabably a 15%--not only does my 750 strain and I starin trying to pedal--but the front end wants to lift up--so having a the weight and extra power will be safer.
CC, awesome video. Like the power this thing puts out when you ask. Can you do a range test of 3 sections:1.Both drives, 2.Front only, 3. Back only? Is the stopping power good enough to bring AWD to a stop within a safe distance? Also , if possible, I suggest you get a Super Monarch AWD bike and compare it with this.
Awesome video and btw you're more than just "some guy" I've been watching your channel and your content is amazing, not to mention you have a very calming voice. I'm a new subscriber and I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Hey my name is Elston, I make a allwheel drive RadRover last year. I road it all summer it runs to . I follow your videos. Just to let you know. I have 759 rear and a 1000 watt front 2 controllers 2 batteries.
Hi friends, very nice bike really love it, let me say there is no such thing as the motors fighting each others like some people say, if one of the motors reach target speed and the other not so the one with less speed will work harder while the one with more speed will reduce amps to mantain speed and reduce torque so at the end both systems depend on target speed and not on individually voltage or amps, every controller has a curve of power vs speed so playing with the throttle and speed adjustment both controllers/motors can be sinchronized to same power/comsuption/work time, nothing complicated just practice
On my dual motor bike! The 350w will actually go faster now just throttling up with the extra motor. I got 4 more miles per hour out of the 350. Plus it maintains the higher speed on its own.
I bought my Rad Fat and have done everything you have done except the all wheel drive.. Your recommendations are solid I love my Rad with the True 750 Bafung motor.. If I box my Rad up and send it to you can you make mine all wheel drive too.. LOL love the channel love the upgrades
@@CitizenCycle925 that's an awesome bike, best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast. Your like Dr. Frankenstein. So if this is an AWD bike, what would you call a bike with a mid-drive motor plus a motor in both front and back wheels?🤔🤔, Is that possible?
Being the front motor is Direct Drive. That should be your main motor. The reason is when throttle is off and coasting. There is drag from the magnets. The geared motors have a clutch so no drag. The DD motors also are more efficient at higher speed. So when running single motor I would use the front, and add the rear geared motor when needed. Also I would get a three position switch and connect the two motors to the PAS sensor. So when you pedal you could activate both motors, the front only, or the rear only. And they would work on PAS. Then keep throttles separate. I bought a couple 3 way switches on Ebay. I am going to do a bike with a direct drive rear, and a geared motor front. On a mountain bike I have. On my Rad Rover I would like to do as you did. Because so far I have not found a fat tire geared front motor.
I'm only half way through the video, and I love this build. If you had a side car on this and paint the whole bike and sidecar OD. OMG. It looks like a WWII motorcycle. Third Indiana Jones movie scene? Sick!!! Sorry about that, back to the video.😃
I love your bike, its so much better than my fat tire rear hub motor. Your 2nd controller is so neat it just looks like its part of a big mudguard. I am researching in order to install a front hub motor, but I am hoping to use 1 controller and 1 battery, ( I only want a bit of extra grunt for hills.) I use my back rack for camping gear, so no rom for extra battery. I thought of quite a neat replacement for the throttle / brake cut off issue - instead of the current throttle design just have a really small easy to pull version of a brake lever that is 1 or 2 finger operated for the throttle, therefore you would instinctively let go of it in order to pull the brake lever, this is better than having the ability to use a thumb throttle at the same time as pulling brake lever with the fingers.
The only time I need dual motors is if I'm hauling groceries or material for uphill stretches. Which is leading me to an attached hauler that will allow me to fit a 32 gallon binds. And a etrike will be impractical for storage purposes.
Damn ! Congrats on completion of an awesome proj. Gives us hope ,or jus want to ?? ,( some how Obtain something with the caliber as well as FUN , & user F.) Thanx for Sharing the info. TC✌
Great Video i was going to do exactly what you done however i reconsidered due to weight on the bike but after seeing this video i am thinking of doing it again
UpDate: Just Noticed Memo of Notes cover much of what I may have questioned. As An all out race fan building Funny cars to Drag Bikes since the 70's. In the shed - it would be cool seeing briefly how a wheel is laced up on front drive wheel. And close up of battery pacts and wiring of controllers. Looks like a lot of this tech is similar to the RC groups of remote Aircraft electric high performance out runner motors. Like the Large Two Meter Glider I built when in Germany. That was great actually with dead start in wet getting tire slip. That's realtime performance we're looking for. Difficult to do if dry hot full grip. Granted weight transfer at launch might see tire slip dry. Just wait till ice studs give off a little spark action in winter. You may have created monster garage terrorist with bike in the bedroom. What's really Cool - Streaming video to Large Screen Smart Tv and sound. Now that's Smart Viewing @! I'll bet your Father is out in the shop right now tinkering lounging in recliner on casters dreaming up the next options... Cheers
Dude! Great add on! I know, I know, you said don't do this, well I'm 65 a veteran and stubborn as the day is long, I think I'm gonna do this with my Aventure, eventually. I've been looking for 26" X 4" tires for my first build and found a 26" x 4" motorised(1000watt) front wheel kit with and I have two battery packs(48V 14.5amps) that are sitting around doing nothing, so...... 😎 🚲 What the heck!
@@CitizenCycle925 Hi, I did the controller and it was a breeze with your instructions. Bike has a little more speed and power. I'm waiting to try it out at the farm before possibly trying the motor upgrade. Thanks for all the tips and videos, I enjoy your channel!
I think I would have the front motor on pedal assist due to drag. The back motor has no drag being a geared hub motor so it would make more sense to me to have the front motor on pedal assist, J.S.
Independent throttles like the twin engine earth movers I used to run. Hit the back throttle at the wrong time and you have 275,000 pound of steel upside down, Haha!
Nice job! I can see why you wouldn’t want pedal assist with the front. Not good having the steering and propulsion all in the same wheel when you only have two. Unless you do like the Christini system where one motor powers both but the front operates with a different ratio and only comes into play when you lose rear traction. That’s a nice system but quite expensive.
I’m back, your getting my attention again, anytime you add to a RadRover I’m all in on it, so far I’ve done everything you’ve done but haven’t upgraded the battery yet don’t know if I’ll be brave enough to turn it into a four-wheel-drive but we’ll see thank you for your videos God bless. Mark.
Hi Mark, what I did was totally unnecessary 🙂 as you know, it's pretty powerful with just the controller and motor upgrade, this is a whole another level though
I like your set up.the brake cut outs are only needed when linked to pedal assist. You could probably play with Tyre air pressure to help with traction on cold wet days but less air pressure means more drain on your batteries. I’m playing with a two motor drive, but I don’t want to think about how I’m riding, I would like both to work simultaneously.
CitizenCycle, Personally, I like the idea of a switchable SINGLE hand twisted throttle control and preselected paralleled batteries/controllers. Obviously, getting that rear tire/wheel matched to the front fatter-broader tire/wheel. Maybe even fatter in the rear. The management of the 2 systems is not complicated. If you don't want to 'lace up' the new rear, pay a PRO to do it for you, duh? I'd add a better headlight, maybe something from 'Olight' with a medium spread? I'd also try unifying the two brakes by playing with the ratios of front/rear until you find that 'sweet spot'! Another thought, modify the circuit of your chargers to a selectable rate. Probably 2 modes would be great in finding that 'sweet spot' between quick and battery longevity and a full fast charge for when it's really important. Playing with these thoughts and concepts is incredibly satisfying to the inventive mind!
Dual drive is really nice. Had duals on my American Legend chopper, motors were geared 250w Heinzmann (very expressive 🙄) with amazing torque but after 5x motor damage I decided to pedal my bike 😅 I could buy other motors but they wouldn't fit because the frame and fork are slightly stretched to barely fit 120mm axles and brakemounts are welded on for 10" discs... It's planned to go e again but not yet
I have a CSC on order and might do this near the end of the year. A 1200 watt fron hub motor along with a 750 watt and 2 decent batteries sounds like so much fun and range.I am sure they get pretty good range since none of them should be straining at all.I would like a splitter or whtever it is so when i throtel they both go at the same time. I wish they would make these plug and play and not so much splicing.
Personally, I would put the 52v with the 1200w motor and the 48v with the 750w motor, perhaps more speed or perhaps your way is more balanced - just saying.
I hope you show hill climbing in the dirt and grass up steep hills. That is the hill climbing ability I would want a 2 wheel drive bike for such as hunting. Also add a trailer and see what it can pull.
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Now you have to add a mid-drive motor on this bike with a third battery
Lmao......
I agree
And with that many motors and batteries, you need at least 1 backup.....for each of the 3 motors.
🤣😂🤣😂😭
LMFAO 😂😆
Wow! Good job! "She's alive, she's alive!" Glad you were able to make it work out! I'm liking the looks of the Mistress' front wheel, too. Would be cool if the rear hub looked like that as well. Congratulations, and thank you for another great vid!
Holy shit, that's a badass bike. Best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast of a bike. Now you can ride it around,and be proud of what you have created. Your like Dr. Frankenstein
It was super fun project, and riding has been a blast so far.
@@CitizenCycle925 that is a beast
You inspired me to bolt on 2 1200w Ebikeling motor kits to my 20 year old Key West cruiser. I’m 61 and when I drive by at 40mph while pedding really slowly, it gets a lot of attention!
I'm currently building a ebike with two hub motors with each one having 1500 watts. I can't wait to finish it. Great job man
I am grinning all through this video. Hats off for wearing all the protective gear. Might be a little crazy but not stupid. Can't wait for a warm dry day to see the tests. Just brilliant.
Duuuuude this is so cool! My son was talking about making one of these so he can ride through the Florida sand, and here you have already done it!
I have a 2016 RR and you've inspired me to get moving on getting the Bolton controller installed. Been too busy to do so. Don't take any criticism to heart; people want to beat up on anyone and everyone! You've created a beautiful monster there...well done! Jim
Thanks Jim! If people want to put negativity out in the world i just let them 🙂 you will really like the controller upgrade and it's super easy. Best of luck in your modifications, it's a slippery slope haha
@@CitizenCycle925 Nice build. Is the front hub a gearless and the back a gear motor?
@@user619tlsdca5 front is a direct drive, back is a geared hub
I just got done building my Dual Mode E bike after months of thinking out the best way for there are many failures of not really practical while keeping the data system as jus 1 system. My base motor is my rear GEAR 500watt which I use the display of using. Trick is I only used the 2nd front 2000watt Direct drive motor once I get the Rear Gear motor running on Cruise Mode as the 2nd is the accelerated which pushes mph up to 60mph while riding over 10 miles long distance as with just using the DD motor you can only go so far at top speed of a minimal of 3 miles themost. With Gear motors you can ride 24plus miles at the least full throttle. This was the most practical method for my needs as I need to pull 150plus lbs for 12miles without having to cool down motor( Direct Drive motors Cons) Yeah!!! It is the Practical need as I'm glad I studied all the various failures and achievements.
A most excellent Video, young Man.
I have a Silver Fox 'Slither' Downhill Bike, (look it up), that I have been planning to convert using two Independent Systems for VERY good reasons, and your Vid will aid my build greatly.
The Slither, with its Full Suspension and massive Forks, is already nearly a Trials Motorbike without an engine, and looks just MADE for climbing or with its Full HD Suspension comfortable for road use depending on tyres.
Where the Two Independent Systems come into their own is if you Climb or Cruise.
With the 2 System System, (LOL!), you can apply as much Power to either wheel as you wish.
If you are climbing, you need weight over and in the Front to pull you up, where the Rear will just shove the Front into the dirt, and if you are on the Road, acceleration is far more important than climbing ability, and sheer weight transfer in Physics, (my Job), throws your weight back on the Rear wheel where it can be used best.
As both Systems F+R will be bought at the same time, I will be using Two Thumb Throttles and Screens neatly side by side.
I want to know THIS !
How do you bypass the Peddle Assist so the Motor will respond directly to the Throttle ??
Do you simply disconnect it ?, and if so, with such power why have any connected at all ?
Why not ride it like an Electric Motorbike ?
Great Video, American Dude.
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That's fun for the whole family. And "somewhat" safe. I love this guy.
What is the maximum weight capacity?
Awesome man. I have nearly the exact same setup on my mongoose dolomite. I love it with the AWD. I have twist throttle on both sides. I can get over 60 miles using pedal assist on both sides.
This is an awesome upgrade ! You were right I pushed the connector in harder and I heard it pop / lock. I did wire both my motors to a single throttle and it is a hill climbing beast now. Thanks for the parts list and idea ! I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in Hickory NC with a dual motor Rover. LOL
Wow that's great news!!! Glad it worked out, The motor on the front does make a huge difference. 😁
@@CitizenCycle925 Yes it did. I'm over 200# and the front tire spins on take off. I like it. LOL
Going with two batteries instead of one is better for battery health too imo. 65A is something like 3x the original power draw, that could heat the batteries up and possibly cause premature wear. I think you went about it the best way, I'd consider PAS only on the rear with linked throttle if it was an easy waterproof cable but it wouldn't be worth the effort to custom build one for me either.
Brilliant, simplicity brilliant :)
The way an ebike should be.
I was kinda worried that there would be some sort of 'un-even-ness' with one motor fighting the other one, or maybe some instability between the two wheels, but apparently it's all even and works! I think I'd still want both motors to be able to be controlled through one throttle/pedal-assist system, though, instead of separately - that seems like it would feel strange to me (not having experienced anything like that). Great video, and Thank You for your continued experimentation with the RadRover - You're an inspiration to us 🙂
If used wrong, you WILL wreak!!!!
Generally speaking, it's best to run either a 2 channel controller, or two controllers that can communicate via canbus.
Having them running from different controllers will work, with results dependent on how closely matched the two system are.
But you don't get to fully leverage your hardware the way you can with synchronized controllers.
You'll get higher efficiency with less wear, as well as implementing a limited slip feature where the controller backs off/cuts out power to a wheel that is spinning at a substantially higher speed.
Two separate controllers over canbus, one battery that can be split into two (20s6p to 20s3p+20s3p) with a switch - gives you a single system that can be instantly split into two in the event of a component failure for 'limp home mode.'
Yes, there is one more thing. With that kind of speed, I would consider upgrading the brakes.
hydraulic, 4 piston, and larger rotors - maybe 210s on the front.
HOW ABOUT AN EMERGENCY BRAKE
Bolton has the ones where you just replace with hydraulic calipers at the wheels, and keep your brake lines, brake levels etc,
Front wheel kits are sold out.
i did on my three motor Ariel Rider D bike yes got to stop
Nice, modded my Lectric xp the same way, whole new bike now. No more uphill struggles. 👍🏽
You put a front motor on lectric XP..? that's awesome!!
@@CitizenCycle925 I get a lil crazy on that thing now, it’s posted on the channel if you wanna check it out. That Rad looks beasty!
Thanks for showing us your experiments on the Rad-continue to keep us up dated! You really helped me branch out with my Rad.
Dude u have a rad. I saw one in real life. That thing was over built. Your good on almost any power mod u do 👍
diy moding ebikes is as fun as riding them. you should see the monstrosity ive been creating, its on a different level of complexity altogether, lots of failures but eventually we land success. like your bike, a success
Great job Citizen.
I'd love to see your frankenbike in a drag race against a top of the range bike.
Hi Mike, I might have to do a drag race series...🙂
Love your videos dude. They definitely sold me on the Radrover. I’m wanting to start upgrading mine too but I’m pretty happy with the electronics with the exception of maybe getting a second battery. First thing I plan to do to it is put a dropper seat post. Excited to see your top speed awd test, keep up the good work...
Cool, I have a 250w geared brushless hub motor on my bike with a 55v 13ah battery and a 22amp controller, she's AWESOME
Because of you I am making an all wheel drive lectric 20" xp bike. I've just started gathering the parts so it will be a while.
very cool! good luck! enjoy the project :)
A friend gave me a folding bike for xmas and I purchased a 3000w luna mid drive for it and a 2100wh battery from eBay. I put a 4000 lumens headlight on it and several tail lights and some multicolored chicken lights down the side and only ride at night. It looks like a ufo and is a wheelie machine. I get stares from everyone when I'm passing cars and screaming down the greenway trails at 2a.m. It's the scariest bike I own!
this is one of the first major mods ill do when I get my new ariel rider KEPLER. after I now its running fine maybe a month. already have $600 upgrades all ready
Love it all! I am going to do this to my Radrover 6 plus.
Love it I'm going to add front wheel drive to my bad ass blackbird, you inspired me...
good luck!!! how you liking that Blackbird?
@@CitizenCycle925 awesome bike worth every penny...
You've built a bike every ebiker wants to own that bike would make me smile every time I rode it my friend it's a beast but I love it .👍🏾💙
2 years ago I thought of doing this I finally have the bike cant wait to get the kits front wheel is the first ima work on
Price?
Distance?
Top Speed?
Dear Mr. Cycle, I am a big fan of your videos. For a recent ebike buyer, the content is interesting, and the video production is excellent! Thanks, nerdguy
Appreciate the kind comment! Glad you are enjoying my videos :)
I thought if I ever had both wheels powered I'd want it seperate. I didn't know how I'd set up throttled though, great set man.
Separator switch maybe
I have nothing bad to say about it. Man you did that 😊
That's top and speed for each motor as well as combined speed for both motors
My dual ride will be done in the next week--just got the front hub motor today.My 750 pulls 1300 to 1400 watts up a similiar hill to what you did and is at about 12 to 14 throttle only and you can fel it strain.Like you i want the torque and want to make sure both motors last.I might as well spend the money now and extend the life and enjoy 2 motors.BTw someone did a chart and having both motors--each one works at like a fraction of the power then one trying to do it--so there is hardly any strain.I also have a steep trail near me--proabably a 15%--not only does my 750 strain and I starin trying to pedal--but the front end wants to lift up--so having a the weight and extra power will be safer.
CC, awesome video. Like the power this thing puts out when you ask.
Can you do a range test of 3 sections:1.Both drives, 2.Front only, 3. Back only?
Is the stopping power good enough to bring AWD to a stop within a safe distance?
Also , if possible, I suggest you get a Super Monarch AWD bike and compare it with this.
Absolutely love this build! Looks crazy, 1 thing I'd love to see on it is hydraulic brakes. Another than that it's perfect
Awesome video and btw you're more than just "some guy" I've been watching your channel and your content is amazing, not to mention you have a very calming voice. I'm a new subscriber and I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks you Matthew!!
Hey my name is Elston, I make a allwheel drive RadRover last year. I road it all summer it runs to . I follow your videos. Just to let you know. I have 759 rear and a 1000 watt front 2 controllers 2 batteries.
Hi Elston, what kind of speed are you getting out of your bike currently? I'm curious 🙂
Hi friends, very nice bike really love it, let me say there is no such thing as the motors fighting each others like some people say, if one of the motors reach target speed and the other not so the one with less speed will work harder while the one with more speed will reduce amps to mantain speed and reduce torque so at the end both systems depend on target speed and not on individually voltage or amps, every controller has a curve of power vs speed so playing with the throttle and speed adjustment both controllers/motors can be sinchronized to same power/comsuption/work time, nothing complicated just practice
Awesome 👍 think I might do the same except put a battery cutoff switch for the front wheel Incase something goes wonky and won't cut off
On my dual motor bike! The 350w will actually go faster now just throttling up with the extra motor. I got 4 more miles per hour out of the 350. Plus it maintains the higher speed on its own.
you are the reason i bought a rad. your videos have been very helpful thanks
Glad you find them helpful, hopefully you're enjoying that bike
Your splash guards are Great
I bought my Rad Fat and have done everything you have done except the all wheel drive.. Your recommendations are solid I love my Rad with the True 750 Bafung motor.. If I box my Rad up and send it to you can you make mine all wheel drive too.. LOL love the channel love the upgrades
Dropping in that 750 motor makes a huge difference. Glad you're enjoying the upgrades!
@@CitizenCycle925 that's an awesome bike, best part is you probably had an awesome time creating this beast. Your like Dr. Frankenstein. So if this is an AWD bike, what would you call a bike with a mid-drive motor plus a motor in both front and back wheels?🤔🤔, Is that possible?
That's a very nice hook up I would love to build a bike with that hook up
i did mine with bosch mid drive with front geared motor 500w 2 battries and 2 controllar. not very fast but long rang and very good for hills
Being the front motor is Direct Drive.
That should be your main motor.
The reason is when throttle is off and coasting. There is drag from the magnets. The geared motors have a clutch so no drag.
The DD motors also are more efficient at higher speed. So when running single motor I would use the front, and add the rear geared motor when needed.
Also I would get a three position switch and connect the two motors to the PAS sensor.
So when you pedal you could activate both motors, the front only, or the rear only. And they would work on PAS.
Then keep throttles separate.
I bought a couple 3 way switches on Ebay.
I am going to do a bike with a direct drive rear, and a geared motor front. On a mountain bike I have.
On my Rad Rover I would like to do as you did. Because so far I have not found a fat tire geared front motor.
how did it go? Is the front or rear geared motor better?
Mine has the same set up 1000w in front and 1500w in rear both independent on each other and it’s a blast to drive!
I'm only half way through the video, and I love this build. If you had a side car on this and paint the whole bike and sidecar OD. OMG. It looks like a WWII motorcycle. Third Indiana Jones movie scene? Sick!!!
Sorry about that, back to the video.😃
love the enthusiasm! :)
Your having fun now! Like the 2nd throttle 🍻
I love your bike, its so much better than my fat tire rear hub motor. Your 2nd controller is so neat it just looks like its part of a big mudguard.
I am researching in order to install a front hub motor, but I am hoping to use 1 controller and 1 battery, ( I only want a bit of extra grunt for hills.) I use my back rack for camping gear, so no rom for extra battery.
I thought of quite a neat replacement for the throttle / brake cut off issue - instead of the current throttle design just have a really small easy to pull version of a brake lever that is 1 or 2 finger operated for the throttle, therefore you would instinctively let go of it in order to pull the brake lever, this is better than having the ability to use a thumb throttle at the same time as pulling brake lever with the fingers.
Great look! Sooo cool!!
You've out radded rad👍
The only time I need dual motors is if I'm hauling groceries or material for uphill stretches. Which is leading me to an attached hauler that will allow me to fit a 32 gallon binds. And a etrike will be impractical for storage purposes.
That would be perfect for me for camping going up hills with a load on my Cannondale wagon
Wow! This is big tennis! Great job!!! Bet it's a lot a fun off road.
Id love a distance test!
Lovin'your invocation
Nice!!!!! I'm GONNA build one too...
yes do a live chat , you do some good videos and love the zombie bike
Best setup for you is what it's all about mine is still singe motor but it's the same except mines dual suspension
That chain slaps no cap 🧢
Damn ! Congrats on completion of an awesome proj. Gives us hope ,or jus want to ?? ,( some how Obtain something with the caliber as well as FUN , & user F.) Thanx for Sharing the info. TC✌
Great Video i was going to do exactly what you done however i reconsidered due to weight on the bike but after seeing this video i am thinking of doing it again
You have major skillz!👍🏽
This is exactly how i want mines
This is exactly what I wanted to do. I think two systems is good, because you can always have at least 1 power system working if one fails
UpDate: Just Noticed Memo of Notes cover much of what I may have questioned.
As An all out race fan building Funny cars to Drag Bikes since the 70's.
In the shed - it would be cool seeing briefly how a wheel is laced up on front drive wheel.
And close up of battery pacts and wiring of controllers.
Looks like a lot of this tech is similar to the RC groups of remote Aircraft electric high performance out runner motors.
Like the Large Two Meter Glider I built when in Germany.
That was great actually with dead start in wet getting tire slip. That's realtime performance we're looking for.
Difficult to do if dry hot full grip. Granted weight transfer at launch might see tire slip dry.
Just wait till ice studs give off a little spark action in winter.
You may have created monster garage terrorist with bike in the bedroom.
What's really Cool - Streaming video to Large Screen Smart Tv and sound.
Now that's Smart Viewing @!
I'll bet your Father is out in the shop right now tinkering lounging in recliner on casters dreaming up the next options...
Cheers
Dude! Great add on! I know, I know, you said don't do this, well I'm 65 a veteran and stubborn as the day is long, I think I'm gonna do this with my Aventure, eventually. I've been looking for 26" X 4" tires for my first build and found a 26" x 4" motorised(1000watt) front wheel kit with and I have two battery packs(48V 14.5amps) that are sitting around doing nothing, so...... 😎 🚲 What the heck!
haha, best of luck in your build :)
Awesome! Thanks for bringing us along on this journey.
Hey Bill did you get all your upgrades installed?
@@CitizenCycle925 Hi, I did the controller and it was a breeze with your instructions. Bike has a little more speed and power. I'm waiting to try it out at the farm before possibly trying the motor upgrade. Thanks for all the tips and videos, I enjoy your channel!
@@CitizenCycle925 Sorry for delay, just the controller so far. Runs Great!
I want to do something similar to my radwagon 4... eventually.
Congratulations on a great build
Cool. I’d like to know the top speed with only the front wheel. Thanks for your videos!!
I think I would have the front motor on pedal assist due to drag. The back motor has no drag being a geared hub motor so it would make more sense to me to have the front motor on pedal assist, J.S.
Amazing! It works! Good job!
Independent throttles like the twin engine earth movers I used to run. Hit the back throttle at the wrong time and you have 275,000 pound of steel upside down, Haha!
Can't wait to try this. But I'm going with a cheaper 1500 watt wheel kit on eBay.
Congratulations on completing your crazy project.
Dude I'm totally doing this..and I'm still waiting on my rad runner in the mail
Nice job! I can't wait to see the performance video.
Nice job! I can see why you wouldn’t want pedal assist with the front. Not good having the steering and propulsion all in the same wheel when you only have two. Unless you do like the Christini system where one motor powers both but the front operates with a different ratio and only comes into play when you lose rear traction. That’s a nice system but quite expensive.
I’m back, your getting my attention again, anytime you add to a RadRover I’m all in on it, so far I’ve done everything you’ve done but haven’t upgraded the battery yet don’t know if I’ll be brave enough to turn it into a four-wheel-drive but we’ll see thank you for your videos God bless. Mark.
Hi Mark, what I did was totally unnecessary 🙂 as you know, it's pretty powerful with just the controller and motor upgrade, this is a whole another level though
4 wheel drive??? Don’t go giving him ideas!!!
NICE BUILD
I like your set up.the brake cut outs are only needed when linked to pedal assist.
You could probably play with Tyre air pressure to help with traction on cold wet days but less air pressure means more drain on your batteries.
I’m playing with a two motor drive, but I don’t want to think about how I’m riding, I would like both to work simultaneously.
CitizenCycle,
Personally, I like the idea of a switchable SINGLE hand twisted throttle control and preselected paralleled batteries/controllers. Obviously, getting that rear tire/wheel matched to the front fatter-broader tire/wheel. Maybe even fatter in the rear. The management of the 2 systems is not complicated. If you don't want to 'lace up' the new rear, pay a PRO to do it for you, duh?
I'd add a better headlight, maybe something from 'Olight' with a medium spread? I'd also try unifying the two brakes by playing with the ratios of front/rear until you find that 'sweet spot'!
Another thought, modify the circuit of your chargers to a selectable rate. Probably 2 modes would be great in finding that 'sweet spot' between quick and battery longevity and a full fast charge for when it's really important.
Playing with these thoughts and concepts is incredibly satisfying to the inventive mind!
Love it! Fun ride!
Love this bike its what got me watching your channel from last year
Thanks Tennyson!!
Just subscribed. Love your energy and practical approach to all your projects...super helpful to us viewers. Much thanks Citizen :)
Thanks for the sub, Glad you are enjoying the content!
Dual Motor electric bikes rock 🤟🤟
This is so awesome! It's what my Jetson Bolt Pro wants to be when it grows up. :)
Dual drive is really nice. Had duals on my American Legend chopper, motors were geared 250w Heinzmann (very expressive 🙄) with amazing torque but after 5x motor damage I decided to pedal my bike 😅 I could buy other motors but they wouldn't fit because the frame and fork are slightly stretched to barely fit 120mm axles and brakemounts are welded on for 10" discs... It's planned to go e again but not yet
Relax it's perfect
I have a CSC on order and might do this near the end of the year. A 1200 watt fron hub motor along with a 750 watt and 2 decent batteries sounds like so much fun and range.I am sure they get pretty good range since none of them should be straining at all.I would like a splitter or whtever it is so when i throtel they both go at the same time. I wish they would make these plug and play and not so much splicing.
i can tell you its a ton of fun if you are willing to experiment with your bike :)
Of course it will work.
Personally, I would put the 52v with the 1200w motor and the 48v with the 750w motor, perhaps more speed or perhaps your way is more balanced - just saying.
How ever fast the 1200w motor would go and by adding the 750 w us not going to add anything more to the bike but added weight
Great job CC!
Love your videos and all you do to spead the fun and innovative ideas!
Please keep up the great work!
I hope you show hill climbing in the dirt and grass up steep hills. That is the hill climbing ability I would want a 2 wheel drive bike for such as hunting. Also add a trailer and see what it can pull.
All right dude if you want More power from the front Ebike kit just add a bigger battery. That's the kit I'm using now.
didn't want to spend the cash for bigger battery :)
Just a suggestion
@@williamcarroll5402 thanks William🙂 I'm sure my mods aren't done on this bike haha, yours AWD?
@@CitizenCycle925 nope can't figure out how to get both wheels on one trigger and I think I need a bigger battery
Awesome dude !