MMA striking vs Boxing...
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2023
- Chael Sonnen talks MMA striking vs Boxing on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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The outcome really does not matter. The UFC leads fighters to believe that if they go against the UFC, you're committing career suicide. Francis fought the odds and got everything that he wanted. He never wanted to be a boxing champ, only the opportunity to compete.
Yeah but how many other people is that really going to work out for?.. If some random journeyman leaves the UFC he’ll just end up competing in a sub par MMA organization like Bellator and end up getting paid less with less notoriety to your name.
@@TheRealAbraxaswell if that happened nobody would care. We are talking about the so called stars
@@TheRealAbraxasLmao y’all get so mad when an athlete breaks off from the control of billion dollar corporations. Truly a weird mentality. Get mad at Dana for how they treat the fighters bra
@@DoUEvenLift how is it a weird mentality. We as fans are supposed to gaf about these guys pocketbook? How rich or poor they are? For every guy whos had hardships and money problems in the ufc, there’s 3 more that have made something for themselves. You’re just regurgitating what every soft sjw on here says. Some people have hardships and some people thrive such is life.
@@Jaycorsano if you as a fan care absolutely nothing about the well-being of guys who quite literally put their lives on the line for your entertainment and are risking their long-term brain health and can’t even make enough money to retire from the sport that is killing them, then yes, you have a weirdo mentality and on top of being a bootlicker are a borderline sociopath
Boxers vs mma at boxing is allways frustrating to me. No elite boxer would accept an mma Match but it wouldve be fun to watch bare knuckle boxing between Tyson and Francis.
That would be wild 🤯
James Toney, Holly Holm , Artur Szpiilka, Clarissa Shields and Ray Mercer would all disagree with you…. As a matter of fact, Holm is the only person to win championships in both boxing and MMA
@@Thanosdidtherighthingand glowacki and dillion whyte boxers are kicking the ass off mma fighters in the cage
It makes sense though, the MMA fighter knows how to box/strike since it’s one of the many disciplines you need in MMA, whereas a boxer does not wrestle/grapple on any level in their profession. The middle ground will always be boxing because that’s the only discipline a boxer knows.
No elite boxer fights mma because thats not what they do. They arent mma fighters. And why switch sports if youre making millions per fight
Chael and Nick Diaz have had some of the best commentary on the differences between boxing Vs mma striking and I’m looking forward to hearing more insight during the lead up to this match
You tell em Chael!
chael also told us ben askren, woodley and anderson silva would beat jake paul.
🤷♂🤷♂
Chael "Size is a disadvantage except when it isn't" Sonnen
Im so fkin happy for francis. When he first became ufc champ dana lovvvvedddd the media talking about his remarkable story, working in the sand mines as a child, trekking for days and days on foot took him 7 tries to make it, then he just bashed him to hell as per the usual m/o. Now hes got everything he wanted and hes gonna be set for life with this payday. Not often do the people who really deserve to be blessed get their flowers while they can still smell em. 💐 There ya go buddy, god bless
You gonna congratulate mcgregor too?
Well said I'm happy for Francis too
Same! Really happy for Francis he took on the UFC and won. He's fighting fucking Tyson FURY! People can talk all the shit they want online, but Francis is a walking W
Dana and Chael showed there real colours over this incident. Truly disgusting. So glad he got all what he wanted.
Yea.. but he’s already overcame the sandpit.. so now what.. he gets richer, walks off into the sunset, and we get some BS one sided “fight”
Connor got carried. Floyd could of dummied him but then a part 2 would nvr sell.
You see the difference, when MMA guys think Conor was doing well against Floyd. He wasn't. Floyd gave him hope and walked him down, not afraid of his Power, knowing Conor would gas's out in the later rounds, making him a sitting duck
mayweathers and his whole family put a bet for a stoppage after the 9th round. the least likely scenario and best betting odds.
mcgregor got carried hard.
After Fury vs Ngannou, there's not going to be a boxing/MMA crossover event for a looooong time.
@@Smoke12-86Well they are all trash so I appreciate the hustle. He'll get more action still when he destroys a Diaz brother.
@@pigs6486 All of the Jake Paul fans I know are 11 or 12.
🙏
Want a bet? Watch jones retire and follow Francis lead so he too can earn millions that he couldn’t in the UFC.
@@pigs6486😂😂😂😂 so ignorant
Chael putting Simone Biles in the list of baddest man on the planet is crazy! Undefeated, undisputed!!!!
She’s mentally a wuss for sure, but can’t deny her talent. I think his point still lands.
I never knew that I want to watch Ngannou vs Biles in mma until now
@@victormonit that's a huge Mis Match. Ngannou wouldn't last a round
Back in 1982 a champion wrestler fought the world heavyweight champ. There's your precedent. They even made a feature length documentary about the whole affair.
Chael spot on Conor did way better than people expected
Conor did better because Floyd let him. He was dragging him into deep waters to drown him later
He did better than many predicted but not as good as Chael thinks. Floyd threw 9 punches per round on average through the first 3 rounds(intentional)
Then he picked up his volume in the 4th to 31 total punches thrown and outlanded Conor every round from there until the end of the fight.
Conor did land a lot more than many predicted but a lot of his punches were what boxers call “arm punches” meaning they didn’t really have any steam on them or power hence why Floyd being 25 lighter and 15+ years older just walk forward with his guard up once he realizes in boxing gloves, Conor’s power didn’t translate.
@@theDavidChannel1 did floyd tell you that
@@blacksomania2575no...the trained eye of anyone who has ever boxed told us that.
Come on man. Floyd was playing with his food. McNuggets only looked good because Floyd let him. Floyd wasn't even trying. He didn't even really box. He put his guard up and walked right to McNuggets. If Floyd wanted to box Connor, and really beat his ass, McNuggets would have looked like Arturo Gatti and Connor would have never laid a glove on him...same way Gatti didn't. Floyd's game plan has always been potshot and move, make them miss, make them pay. He did literally zero of that with Connor because McNuggets was no threat to him. He knew he could have McNuggets to sleep any time he wanted. Floyd went so far out of character he even fooled you into thinking McNuggets actually did something.
YDKSAB.
If Floyd is coming to you and not hitting you, or not trying to control range so you can't land, then he's just playing with you.
If Floyd actually took that fight seriously McNuggets would have never gotten out of the first round.
Connor was giving everything he had and Floyd wasn't even trying. It was game to him.Floyd was even pulling his punches, not sitting all the way down on them whe he could have and knew he could have. Every person that boxes could see that .
There are levels to boxing. Floyd really took it easy on him. Facts
@@blacksomania2575Floyd literally just put his hands up and walked forward for the first 3 rounds lol that is not how floyd usually fights.
Chael’s commentary is more interesting than the fight will be
I think I could be very entertaining...😬👍💯
Not really he’s been saying the same thing for two years now.
"At least 37 years old" still kills me 😂
Wait people think Connor was competitive against floyd? 😂😂😂😂😂 wtf
GUYS. LETS be REAL here.
MMA guys - 90% wanted to be boxers. WERE CRAP - learned other modes of combat AS A RESULT
That final statement made me say “woah yeah” out loud
“Hey remember when we said boxing doesn’t matter and then a non-boxer got into a boxing match with a boxer?”….. Chael is fantastic massaging logic - build the fight the Chael! I’m probably going to buy it anyway
Nganou gassed out fighting Derrick Lewis imagine fighting someone like Tyson Fury who's game plan is always to wear out the opponent not that I'm an expert or anything but if nganou don't KO fury until 5th round he's going to be picked appart .
He didn't gas out.. fake narrative
I often watch Chael never realizing I hadn’t subscribed! Just did. He is an intelligent analyst.
He specializes in making content for dummies like you 😂
Francis started out as a boxer before switching to MMA later on. He's also been training boxing for the last two years. Chael knows all this, but he prefers to pretend that Francis only knows MMA striking, just so he can make another video. A case of the tail wagging the dog.
Chael makes so many great points in this video I never thought about....GREAT analysis
When Francis started training, he was anticipating to become a boxer before his coach recommended that he go into MMA instead. He may have never competed in boxing, but it's his bread and butter.
This video is class A trolling.
Chael thinking Floyd didn’t hold back against Conor to put on a show that’s so cute
And u being delusional is so cute
Come on man. Floyd was playing with his food. McNuggets only looked good because Floyd let him. Floyd wasn't even trying. He didn't even really box. He put his guard up and walked right to McNuggets. If Floyd wanted to box Connor, and really beat his ass, McNuggets would have looked like Arturo Gatti and Connor would have never laid a glove on him...same way Gatti didn't. Floyd's game plan has always been potshot and move, make them miss, make them pay. He did literally zero of that with Connor because McNuggets was no threat to him. He knew he could have McNuggets to sleep any time he wanted. Floyd went so far out of character he even fooled you into thinking McNuggets actually did something.
YDKSAB.
If Floyd is coming to you and not hitting you, or not trying to control range so you can't land, then he's just playing with you.
If Floyd actually took that fight seriously McNuggets would have never gotten out of the first round.
Connor was giving everything he had and Floyd wasn't even trying. It was game to him.Floyd was even pulling his punches, not sitting all the way down on them whe he could have and knew he could have. Every person that boxes could see that .
There are levels to boxing. Floyd really took it easy on him. Facts
Conor did exactly as well as Floyd let him do. He didn't win a single round. Floyd stopped him as soon as he wanted to stop him.
Exactly, and Floyd carried him. Somebody with ko power would stop him the early rounds. Just crazy talk
That point about having to face gordon ryan and kyle snyder is brilliant.
How about, if Jon and Francis fought, how long would the fight last before jone obliterates Francis knee. If Jon knows ur weak somewhere, he will capitalise heavily. Francis is lucky he avoided the career killer.
Jones was getting tagged by Reyes, you think Francis wouldn’t touch Jon?
Francis closes his eyes and swings big haymakers! Go rewatch his fights and you will see…
@@deleqtronica8733did ciryl gane tag him?
Finally, my brother will get his wish. good luck brother represent,win lost or draw, we have you have our support.
I THINK FRANCIS HAS A BETTER CHANCE IN BOXING THEN CM PUNK DID IN MMA.
Fury wins easily..😐
Probably by massacre 😂
I could see him picking Francis apart...😌
You should really do a before and after peice on spence vs crawford! Would love to hear your coverage on that fight.
Chael needs to get back on the Dahmer glasses ASAP
If Fury handled Wilders power he can handle Francis power
Wilder just too slow to unleash and that makes him predictable
@@goddy510he's far, faaaar faster at boxing than Ngannou lmao.
@@markmclean8858 Facts. These casual like godaddy are delusional.
@@iMixMaSteR1bro name is "goddy." you called him "daddy" lil bro 😂😂😂
MMA maths doesn't add up, people have been finished many times by guys that hit less hard than previous opponents. Takam got knocked out by chisora when he fought way bigger hitters.
A punch by a massive puncher is still a big danger, just because fury fought wilder and got up from his punches doesn't mean he can take that same punch and shrug it off again, sometimes it's shots you don't see, or when you get caught throwing yourself.
I've obviously got fury like everyone else does but I'm seeing this argument everywhere and it's silly.
Yes
Prime Conor was a far more technical striker than Francis is. He uses slips and counters and pull backs etc. Francis uses brute power. It's not even worth comparing how well Conor did against floyd
So much common sense and terrific points made here. There is a great deal to learn here.
Hey from the UK!!!
simply the best insights…Chael is the GOAT
Francis wins even if he loses. If he wins… GOAT
Boxers dont start slow to save gas, they generally have amazing cardio. The diaz brothers level of cardio is the expected norm for us pro Boxers
Well in terms of pure punching boxers are the best. That’s what they specialize in. You could see the difference in leverage and weight behind the punches of mcGregor and Mayweather. Now if you add in elbows, kicks, and other forms of striking then yes the MMA guy is the better striker.
I can't count how many mic drops with which these videos end.
Chael can we get a piece on Dan Hooker please?
"We" think we know everything 😂
Chael said the silent part out loud about the boring beginning of boxing matches
Floyd Carried Connor, he willingly gave away rounds. He did nothing for the first 4 rounds.
Uncle Chael I think you would honestly man handle Tyson Fury
Facts
Oh he would. He'd do it in 1 round too, no problem, might even stiff him with the jab. They don't call you the WBO heavy weight champion of the world.. THEY CALL YOU CHAEL SONNEN
Let's not forget about how well Anderson Silva has done against boxers when discussing MMA fighters vs boxers.
He lost to jake pual
Listen I love Anderson but his claim to fame for being a good boxer is beating a Chavez Jr who’s completely washed and is pretty much a joke in the boxing community.
Silva IS a Boxer (started as a Boxer)
Chael beats both these chumps in one night. Undefeated, undisputed.
Only Chael....
"I'm not a journalist"
"Journaling 101...."
As someone who did Kempo for a decade, I can say I respect a boxer's hand speed and footwork. If I had to take a punch from a boxer or an MMA guy, have to say I'd rather the MMA guy
Correction: the judges in Nevada did not give Conor 0 rounds.
Ngannou needs to work hard on his cardio for this fight or he gonna get outworked by Fury on later rounds
What later rounds😂
I'm happy Francis is getting paid but he's going to get knocked out
Uncle chael what's your take on Kevin Lee retirement?
Conor beat Floyd is as believable as you being undefeated
He called lyoto and wonder thompson 🤣
"Cover the action because its painfully boring" 😂😂😂
Chael teaching yall game and yall dont see 😎
Mcgregor did ok but Floyd did carry Mcgregor early on and ended it when he chose too
Chael is obsessed with Ngannou.
At least someone is, everyone not giving ngannou no respect, let's go ngannou
I think it happens all the time.. Foreigners with some level of success will receive hate by a group people from that country, who can't stand it.
The fighters with the best hands are bare knuckle boxers not traditional boxers. The best strikers are kickboxers/ mui thai. When it comes to real life street fights. That should be the standard . What happens in real life if you fight, not sport. Boxers and mma guys do bare knuckle and get beat down. In a street fight boxers and bare knhckle boxers arent ready for elboxs and kicks/ knees. The body position needed and how to defend ect.
Let’s build the dataset
I don’t understand why we’re supposed to be “happy”. How’s a guy who’s from where he’s from act like he’s been treated so badly in the states.. We’re not happy for him because we are fans and we don’t know him personally. We want to see the best fight the best why would we care that a rich guy who already defied all odds got richer .. so now he’s close to 40, he’ll grab this bag and leave us.. as fans what do we get.. some one off mismatch with a padded ruleset.
“Who’s at least 37 years old” lmao
Seems like strikers are coming too the UFC with beginner grappling and winning. Boxers/kickboxers are changing the narrative in ufc. Elite striking and take down defense
this is why I want this fight so badly. I need to see what it looks like with someone who we know can KO any human alive with a clean shot (francis)
He will have absolutely 0 knockout power
He won’t be able to punch in boxing gloves
Lots of professional heavyweight boxers can knock anyone out with a clean punch. Thats nothing special.
@jaydenanthony3799 if you have power it traverses gloves. The issue is the length of the fight. But first few rounds he's dangerous.
@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 how often have you sparred? I don't think any experienced striker would agree.
Mma striking is checkers, boxing is chest.
I don't know if Gordon wants to box the winner, regardless of the size of gloves or even bareknuckle...
Francis should really consider having Chael in his corner at ringside.
Chael…. You couldn’t see that Mayweather carried Conner?!
brother. most delusional mma fans think conor did well.
Years later they're all still blind. Or delusional.
Never ever have I witnessed Mayweather walk forward for 3 to 4 rounds, let alone the 1st 3 to 4 rounds and just allow his opponent to take off on him. It was clear Floyd had no respect for McGregor's hands.
Finally he got busy. Took him 2 rounds to get bored, and he finally began to do away with him.
I love MMA, but the MMA sheep gotta spin it some sort of a way. Especially the Conor sheep.
Floyd did this at what, 42 years old? Hahaha. 😂
Yes, Tyson vs Gordon is the peoples fight
Great points but the skill level between Connor and Francis should be noted, Connor has a background in amateur boxing.
Tyson has some of the best footwork in the business and has been bumrushed before many times
If Tyson is smart he beats up Francis slowly. Makes it easier to bow out with Jones and MMA
Lakers vs Patriots under football rules!?!? IDK if it's that much of a mismatch. I'd give Ngannou more credit than that. But on paper he shouldn't have much of a chance.
if it goes past round 1 then Ngannou is gonna gas, he hasnt got the tank to keep throwing
Francis is like the bronze bomber but he can't box
I think you are wrong. Fury has the fewest strikes landed against him per round in HW history. He has the best defense ever. I think he should wear francis down and used all defense the first few rounds like mayweather did and then when hes tired go all in and beat francis down. It would be stupid to go all on offense when francis if fresh and risk getting caught. If he uses defense at first he also has time to get a feel for franciss striking. What to look out for ect... fury had no tape to watch of francis boxing. He has no idea what his angles are or his tendencies are. Thats risky
I didn’t see Conor win any rounds except for the first 2 and it’s only because Floyd wasn’t even trying
If Francis makes Tyson work - boxing will be gutted once again. Literally every boxing event feels like the audience and fans are being rick rolled.
Francis making Tyson work😂that’s funny…
Boxing is doing fine. You need to worry about MMA turning into the truth social of the sports world. The biggest promoter is more interested in performing sexual favors on trump, hitting his wife, running slap league, and putting on the Musk/Zuckerberg fight than he is about the growth of the sport.
Undefeated and undisputed in the courtroom. Never lost a trial.
Congratiolations on your plea deal Chael! You never beat the bad guy in court
Conor did so great against a 42yr old back then and that was not even fight using the style he used for 20yrs lol “the shoulder roll”
Francis is never winnng by decision. Vitor Belfort blitz and win inside first 2 possibly 3 rounds or may as well get corner to throw towel in. He’s got a punchers chance but he’s up against the greatest heavyweight alive with an outstanding chin no fear of being hit and amazing recovery. First wilder fight fury was way out of shape, and still drew even tho most people thought he won. Anthony Joshua would have been the best fight for Francis as he goes into his shell when hit. Against Wilder it would be a slugfest, but he’d have more of a chance as wilder doesn’t like taking heavy hits. Tyson fury is at another level, a man who has fought from early childhood, even if he doesn’t train too hard I wouldn’t pick Francis. Got to admit I’m looking forward to it. Of all the fights on horizon. Jon Jones v stipe , adesanyav Ddp, fury Joshua, (jake Paul v Nate 🙈jk)would be ahead of it, but it must be inside top 5 of fights that are booked for me
Fury is too good a boxer for Ngannou to win on points. Only way Ngannou wins is by knockout. That being said, super happy for Ngannou and hope he gets that big money boxing payday!
Fury will want 90% of the purse it won't be the payday you all think it will
Why are you happy for Ngannou getting a payday? He’s 10 richer then all of us, stop letting these fighters get away with clown shows
LG Francis 🔥
Using floyd v mctapper is a false equivocation as floyd was old and naturally much smaller than mctapper, being honest he also took it easy for several rounds as he clearly enjoys being in ther with little threat coming back at him , boxers beat mma in a boxing fight and mma beat boxers in a cage its that simple , i doubt Ngannou could trouble the top 20 in boxing
When are people going to realize Floyd carried Connor for 10 rds..Jesus Christ
I love you chael please be my father
Chael I’m glad you are joining the people in supporting FRANCIS vs Fury. Let’s not forget Francis is one of our guys, we shouldn’t bash him and his OPPORTUNITY just because he isn’t the UFC anymore. The MMA community should rally behind Francis and cross our fingers he can catch Fury 😂.
Not my guy, hoping fury teaches him a lesson. He's got heavy heavy hands and can beat anyone if they get caught.
No
Tyson arguably fought the hardest hitting HW ever and he beat him 3x so I don’t even really know how much of a puncher’s chance Francis has 🤷♂️
let’s be honest about this… it’s basically Fury vs wilder 3!! i would WAAYY rather watch francis box wilder too see which one holds up ..😮
you mean 4?
How does he pull of the first 00:27 and not at least smirk or chuckle.......just a tad? He's such a *troll.* ahahaaa!
Look how Francis technique was when he koed rosenstruick. Flailing around. chin straight up in the air. Eyes closed. Fury gunna leave him face down ass up. He wasnt even confident enough to strike with D Lewis. Hes in for a rude awakening
This fight is likely to put people off the "crossover" fight fad imo. Fury isn't a "boxer", he's one of the best heavyweights for a looooong time. Nobody anywhere near his size has moved like him in any era. He's literally a master of his style. Conor vs floyd wasn't close. That's just what mma fans see when they watch a boxing match. Like when a boxing fan watches a muay Thai fight/ or a grappljng match its hard to even tell who's winning unless it's super dominant. There are SO MANY nuances and details that someone on furys level has down to instinct and muscle memory. More than Francis can literally ever learn. I'm not a fury fan to be clear, I think he's a bellend, but it is what it is.
"Yea but fury is one of the best boxers ever he definitely might tap jon jones". That's what it sounds like to a boxing fan.
Francis has beat the odds over and over. .....sorry chael...sorry dana....sorry world
I'm not going to lie but I'd love to see Francis shut fury up and ko him that would be awesome Tyson really needs to be humbled
Mr C.P.Sonnen... icon, legend and undefeatable.... my hero... why are you wearing Tom Cruise trainers? You don't need the extra inches sitting down... they are beautiful, however, you are wearing basically man heals...😮
francis starts slow tho