Why The UFC Doesn't Have A Definite GOAT
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2023
- Although there may be multiple names that come in your head when you think of a GOAT, there isn't one that everyone agrees on. Please let me know who you think the greatest of all time is
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Anderson was also on Peds. He literally did an interview in his house in front of a bottle of HGH 😂😂. It’s GSP by default
He said that in the video you deaf or something ?
What about mighty mouse ?
Its really between gsp and dj
@@novared103gaming3 he’s sadly very underrated in that conversation
@@saveyabreath680 theyve all done roids and gsp and dj cant be the goat when you have been finished before and had loads of close decisions. jones clears
GSP is the GOAT in my opinion. Losses do not matter because he made up every single loss with a victory. To me, greatness isn't perfection. It is the ability to overcome trials and tribulations. He learned from his mistakes and became better because of them.
I mean GSP was definitely taking peds considering he literally had capped delts in his prime so 🤷
Aldo’s resume is clear.
@@SlimClipper he never came back to dominate after Conor beat him
@@thememeconnoisseur4088 Yeah, no way a lifelong athlete could possibly have well-defined muscles
@@ekayn1606 You don't get capped delts naturally, though and you definitely wouldn't get tham as a fighter when you're constantly travelling, fighting and recovering from injuries
That’s why we have Mike Perry
Champ of Cameroon🇿🇦
I mean he is the Bareknucle GOAT
Demetrius Johnson has 12 title defences. Title defence against Adriano Moraes definitely counts even if it is in ONE championship, Adriano is good enough to be a champ contendor in UFC as well
Straight up facts!!!
To me he's the goat. Cleared out flyweight in the ufc, has the most title defenses, even after losing the belt in a close fight he went to onefc to win a flyweight tournament and the belt. He's the goat and you either has to be biased or blind to not see it.
@@soliderfromtf2810Flyweight is a trash division and onefc mma is a joke compared to the UFC
I mean…they weren’t that good of wins. The flyweight division in his time was weak. The PFL has better flyweights today than the ufc had back then
@@kylesadirtbag5937
How the fuck do you decide that the flyweight division was weak in comparison to other divisions?
Jon Jones
• Lost to Reyes and Alexander.
• Scared of Tom Aspinall and natural heavyweights.
Sped found
I agree on the first point, but saying Jon Jones is afraid of anything on this planet is blasphemy
@@vedanthnair54432nd point is also absolutely correct. Jon is ducking Aspinall from a long time.
@@The_LostSkyTell Aspinall beat Curtis first
@@LarryL3g3ndor get this, why doesn’t jones unify the belts ? LMAO
I don't think loses are that important. Joe Louis, Ali, and Manny all have losses, and it doesn't detract from their greatness.
None of those guys are close to the goat convo, closest is manny and he is still far
Those guys you named are only mentioned by people is because of how polarizing of public figures/ entertainers they were yea they had great moments in there individual careers but there’s a whole list of guys that weren’t as popular that did twice as much as for legacy in their careers
@DWAP580 I only mentioned the above for the casuals and to help make a point. Yes, boxing has many greats and would be interested in hearing who you have at number 1. If any
Greatness doesn't studder bro
Exploits an issue with the game tho
Technically DJ is also a two weight class champion because ONE’s flyweight is 135 pounds
He is the GOAT, without a doubt
No, ONE doesn't allow extreme weight cutting, so the ONE flyweights would still be flyweights in the UFC
yeah but he got KOD.. pretty badly and lost a couple fights.. thats one thing you can say about him.. Jon Jones is definitely the BEST record wise.. but the steroids just hold him back so much..@@hankhill5409
@@hankhill5409 no he's not, half his defenses were against bums
@@Suplex479 Lets be real theres no way adriano moraez is making real flyweight dude
“Every fighter is on steroids” -Nate Diaz
Nope they aren't 😂
You just replace the DQ loss with the Reyes robery, simple
Not a definitive robbery
@@jameshartman3630as definitive as it gets
Hendricks vs GSP was worse, so was DJ vs cejudo 2 & even Volk vs Islam
@@DADRB0B55 DJ Cejudo was worse maybe yes, but not the others
@@DADRB0B55Yes Hendrix was robbed but he was also on PEDS so it shouldn't be a win for GSP or a loss.
Volk and Islam haven't done enough to be in the GOAT conversation, but they probably will.
GSP and Mighty Mouse. Few losses,no controversy
Controversy doesn’t matter, ultimately skill is all that matters, also stop being naive, it’s highly like that both gsp, might mouse and majority of fighters have popped at some point.
@@lancing2.098 who is ur goat then?
@@mahdigamer2852 the only goat, Jones
@@lancing2.098 Jones be cheating 😂
@@mahdigamer2852 ye Ik but like 70% of all fighters cheat so why does it matter
Technically Mighty Mouse is a champion in two weight classes
The Flyweight title in ONE is at 135 pounds
You could also have mentioned that Khabib never moved up in weight to challenge for the welterweight belt. That is why I cannot put him higher than guys like Jon Jones and GSP on my goat list. It's sad because I am very confident that he could comfortably beat any guy at 170
A fight between him and GSP would have been amazing!
@@eli.b.7559 Usman would also have been cool
He barely had any title defences
prime usman wouldve killed him ngl
That is a weak argument. You don't have to be in multiple weight classes to be the greatest and win belts in multiple weight classes in order to be the goat. Jones engaged an I poking, and ped use.
You should do a worst fighter fan bases. Because for me I like khabib , volk and jones(as a fighter) but their fan bases are one of the worst
volks fan are much better then holloway fans.
Mcgregor and oliveira fans are pretty shit as well
Volk fan is the worst
Khabib is the only one along with Izzy fans before he got clapped by Strickland that ever got that toxic, DC fans are pretty hypocritical & toxic as well.
Islam fans who act like he beat volk
I don't hold GSP's losses against him too much. The fact he came back and not just won a decision or beat Serra and Hughes, he destroyed them and beat them both the way they beat him. He armbared Hughes and essentially made Serra quit from strikes.
Plus GSP's list of wins literally could not be better. He beat every single great WW from 3 era's. He beat 4 Hall of Famers, the UFC LW champion, the UFC WW champion, the UFC MW champion, the Strikeforce MW champion, the Strikeforce WW champion and the WEC WW champion.
Recentcy bias is the only thing that hurts GSP. Most fans today were not watching the UFC back when Hughes, Trigg, Sherk and Fitch were monsters at WW and have no way of appreciating the level of competition he's been facing since he was 6-0.
GSP is MMA's definitive GOAT.
GSP beat the best at their best AND at their own games. He out struck the strikers and out wrestled the wrestlers despite never competing in formal wrestling. He's my personal favorite and will always belong in the GOAT conversation.
To be fair to Khabib, he had the longest win streak in LW at 13 and the most title defences are tied at 3. A lot of ppl don’t want to put him in the GOAT convo because they felt like he ran away which is sad
I mean he got mentioned in the video. So he is in the goat convo. But 3 title defences vs 13 or 9 from Jones and Gsp is just to big of an difference.
@@deniz5140khabib retired in his prime (prob had 1-2 years left of his prime as he was still getting better every fight) and he defo had at least 4 years on top. I'd argue he would have more time on top as he wasn't an athlete that relied on explosive power. If we look in the division now there isn't anyone that could beat him. He was also in lightweight the greatest and most competitive division of all time. Gsp still the goat tho.
@@user-ox9ez8rd2x Its just way to much predictions and barely any evidence compared to the other goats. Gsp was a better fighter than all of his opponents and still had 2 losses. No one knows how long Khabib could have stayed undefeated and how his career would have went over the next few years. He simply retired to early to be the goat.
It’s because he cut so much weight and never faced any decorated grapplers, so he was taking down strikers while having 30~50Ibs on them, Jones only cut 15 pounds in LHW.
and he fails to make weight
fellas i was ill when filming this hence why i sound like rosas jr👊
Wut bro ur voice is so monotone i cant tell
U sounded the same brutha
jon jones has 11 title defense btw
mighty mouse has 4 losses not 3
3 robbery gift decisions, fighting dirty as fuck, having fewer finishes since USADA came into the sport than controversial split decisions, failed drug tests, and even arrests and almost never fighting someone who wasn't a head shorter with a 8+ inch reach disadvantage are also against Jones. Anyway everyone has their disqualifying asterisks. I go back and forth between Khabib and Mighty Mouse. Silva is in there if you believe he didn't juice before his injury and only count the height of his career
Wow u must really hate the guy😂😂
3 robberies? I understand fight with Reyes was a robbery but what about the other 2?
@@fenrir834probably talking about santos and the first Gustaffson fight
@@M3lon09Santos wasn’t a robbery whatsoever tbh. Jones won the Gustafson fight. Only Reyes was a robbery…
I don’t even like the guy but you’re really trying to find anything you can to convince yourself that Jones ain’t one of the goats lmao
Dude, Anderson was 40 when he started losing. He wasn't in his prime anymore. Only Daniel Cormier would have still beaten him regardless and he fought an older version of Anderson. Chris Weidman was the only fighter to beat Anderson in Anderson's prime. Only issue is both fights ended due to Anderson either playing around or due to an injury. Plus, Anderson Silva wanted to retire before they even made that fight.
Problem is Anderson was on PEDs
One more + for DJ, he went and took a disadvantageous fight in One FC facing the greatest Muay Thai fighter of all time in a special fight with the first round being Muay Thai and was competitive and won that fight in the MMA round. May not be a 2 divisional champion but he took a risk not many MMA champions took especially not one where they won
Kinda got a great point but kind of waffle tbh. What you was kind of saying is DJ has done a lot outside of the UFC that isn't taken into account but the rodtang (sanchai is the muay Thai goat not rodtang) fight shouldn't be a serious factory . Firstly it was an expedition. Secondly rodtang was at the disadvantage as it's easier to enhance some skills you already knew and just not use 1 tool than to completely learn a new tool (DJ was also already a better striker than grappler who did use knees and elbows) so I'd say rodtang was at a disadvantage.
Henry cejudo beat DJ in his prime, and no one considers cejudo the GOAT, even in his own division
@@onzazalol1168 because it was a close fight many people think DJ won. Very well could have been something Dana orchestrated to get DJ out of there
@@cobaltjay9862 The fight was close but cejudo learned from their first fight and kept enough pressure and volume to have the edge over DJ but even if let’s just say it was a robbery, for someone to be even in the conversation of GOAT status, you should be able to steamroll through the best of the best in your prime, Aldo did it, Connor did it, GSP did it, Silva did it, Jones did it. And just to clarify I believe DJ is the most likable dude out of all of these names, been subscribed to his YT channel for 2~3 years now and I watch his content pretty consistently, but in a unbiased POV, I do have to say he does lack in aspects that other fighters excel at.
Rodtang is not the greatest Muay Thai fighter of all time, c'mon
„If you haven’t lost in this sport you haven’t fought the right guys“
I would also add that Jones used his eye poke trick and the oblique kicks, the latter which have permanently crippled Thiago Santos
And Rampage too
I mean those are part of fighting
@mrsherlockbeast8725 eye pokes???😂
@@s66s46 yes
The oblique kicks are legal, I guess punches would have to be illegal the way they can break bones?
Another reason why I think Jon Jones would not be considered the goat would be that he only has a single fight in HW and that was against an incomplete fighter Ciryl Gane. Despite his dominant performance it's not enough to call him HW goat, if he has a few more big fights in HW it would solidify his legacy. Even his fight with Stipe Miocic if he wins won't make him the goat because Stipe is old and hasn't fought in forever.
it’s arguing the greatest fighter of all time not the heavy weight goat, his small achievement in a different weight class has nothing to with it
I’d say goat status would mean that they have success in other weight classes such as GSP having welterweight and middleweight because it shows fighter versatility between weight classes and different opponents.
@@jeffsmith2304 bro gsp had 1 fight at middleweight and beat michael bisbing won the title and retired, jones had 1 fight at heavyweight and won the title. they have both done the exact same thing at the 2nd weight class. what are you talking about
Gane is a better win than dogshit Bisping, bro you just contradicted yourself
Jon’s Light Heavyweight record > GSP’s career.
I feel DJ or GSP are the 2 contenders bc I feel to be the GOAT you have to suffer defeat bc as they say it’s not about losses its’s about how you bounce back from them. GSP avenged both and DJ avenged his loss to moraes and the 2nd cejudo fight was controversial. The only other losses were due to size disadvantage or lack of experience
Anderson Silva's fighting style revolves around his reflexes, and this gets severely diminished with age. Which explains his losing streak. He was old. Anyone you can put into the conversation of GOAT likely permanently retired before they even got to that age.
Just the fact alone that we have different weight classes makes it empirically impossible to definitely put one on top the other
Another great vid🙌keeps these up please🙏
Has to be gsp
Can’t use steroids 4 times and think it’s ok
If you are counting out steroids DJ blows gsp out of the water
@@barebuttspankin gsp clears wdym
@@COOlguy-ed5bq 11 title defenses vs 9 title defenses. DJ is a more skilled fighter. Johnny Hendricks. Jones is the goat by undisputedly but DJ probably surpasses gsp.
@@barebuttspankin gsp beat better competition, i have dj at 3 but i think gsps resume is better
@@COOlguy-ed5bq I think that’s a argument to be made but I don’t think the skill he faced is so much better to the point we’re 2 more title defenses aren’t more valuable. Also I would say out of them both Henry cejudo is the best guy on both resumes. I think there interchanging. I do think jones is the clear goat though. And fuck khabib
For me it’s either GSP or DJ but I lean slightly towards DJ. His 3 losses consist of a close decision to Cejudo who he also has knocked out. And his other 2 losses are at 135 (in one championship flyweight is 135). And he avenged the Moraes loss twice.
I’ll say DJ
Greatness isn't numbers on a page. It's what you see with your eyes. When you've acknowledged important information that inspires you to be better. That is when you know you've seen greatness.
Khabib is the GOAT. No one ever came close to beating him. Never got dropped, arguably never lost a round, retired undefeated, in the toughest division in MMA and his style changed the game.
khabib is not the goat but definitely the lightweight goat
Pro's -
1.TOUGHEST AND MOST STACKED DIVISON
2. MOST DOMINANT FIGHTER EVER / HIS LOW's WERE ALREADY PLANNED (he purposefully gave his neck for dustin poirirer for guillotine to make him tired but people thought Dustin was close)
3.GOD LEVEL WRESTLER, underrated CHIN and CARDIO, weird but effective HEAD movement
4.ONLY LOST 2 ROUNDS in his career which were close and he never planned that out.
5. FINISHED THE TOP LEVEL PLAYERS LIKE RDA, MICHAEL JOHNSON, BARBOZA in their PRIME
6. HIS 3 TITLE DEFENSES WERE AGAINST KILLER's who everyone thought would defeat him
7. his fight against TIBAU WAS CLOSE BUT TIBAU CAUGHT USING PED's after that( he got suspended).
8. GOOD FIGHT IQ / never claimed himself to be the GOAT... he never wanted to be. DISCIPLINED , RESPECTFUL , WARRIOR MINDSET , And a very GOOD HUMAN BEING
CON's
1. ONLY 3 TITLE DEFENSES
2. HIS GAME WAS WRESTLING BUT NOT MANY ELITE WRESTLERS OR GREAT WRESTLING TAKEDOWN DEFENCE PLAYERS IN THE LIST excptn{ RDA , TIBAU , HEALY }
3. did'nt MOVE UP THE DIVISON IN WelterW.. WHICH WAS ACTUALLY GOOD CONSIDERING HIS NATURAL WEIGHT { I BELIVE PRIME KHABIB WOULD DEFEAT PRIME USMAN }
NOTE: PEOPLE WHO CALL HIM GOAT OF MMA r either HIS personalty FANS or just khabib mad fans... AND PEOPLE WHO CALL HIM A PATHETIC FIGHTER OR NO WEHRE NEAR GOAT ARE JUST CASUALS AND U KNOW WHICH FANBASE/CULT/RELIGION THEY REPRESENT... HONESTLY KHABIB IS HATED NOT AS A FIGHTER BUT DUE TO HIS BELEIFS/FIGHTING STYLE (sometimes)/RELIGION/AND OFCOURSE CERTAIN FANBASE [ u know what im talking about ]
Tibau arguably beat him. Khabib has like 4 great wins. Overrated.
he was on ped's mate... the decision could had been the other way around but it was control time for khabib.. a connor fan calling someone overrated is the most shittiest thing i have heard .
aldo,(YOUNG)holloway were his good wins other than that none . he lost to people who beat him so hows that... HUH casual@@SlimClipper
You're a dingus
@@zaeynalamgir1384khabib is not the lightweight goat 😂 just because he has a belt doesn’t mean he’s the greatest people need to learn
Nice vids brother
None of these guys (Khabib, DJ, GSP, Silva, Jones, etc) is the GOAT, not even close. As GSP once said: THE REAL GOAT is yet to come, he may not be even born yet. The guys we are seeing now are just prototypes who are paving the way for him, and when he arrives, he is going to turn the sport upside down.
New mythic fighter "the One yet to come"
@@felixthehelix1481 It is what it is my bro hahahaha The sport was created just 30 years ago but we're already searching for GOAT. It's like saying a boxer of 1790's was the GOAT. We just have to be patient as things are developing in a higher pace now, so I'm sure we'll be able to see "him" fight.
dude finna be nicknamed “the chosen one” or shi like that
yeah ig the goat would be like how Magnus Carlsen is the goat of Chess. That's the type of dominance we need for a definite goat.
All ddemetrious johnson losses was so close and even misjudged in my opnion
Anyway great video sir
GSP or Bones for me. Outside of the UFC? Fedor.
Jones isn’t top 3. Aldo and Mighty Mouse are clear.
It's Jones for me. I personally don't mind the steroids; people act like all his opponents have been clean, or that nobody else has ever juiced. The only one I consider to be even to him is DJ.
Exactly right, this stigma against steroid usage when every top level athlete can and will take them is absolutely retarded. If people want to sook and wine about gear then they shouldn’t compete it’s that simple.
Jones is the goat. No question. He dominated almost everyone and the close decisions were because he wasn't even prepared and still won. He is the youngest champion and current oldest champion. He won the best before his generation, he won his own generation, and even after his generation retires he still is beating the new guys. Also very creative, well rounded fighter and highest fight IQ
Fedor exists, so just no. Also GSP is a better fighter, and so is DJ quite frankly.
There is a question lol. The man cheated numerous times. Those close decisions other than Gus were against guys who weren't even that good, and Jones looked like he was off steroids in both of those fights. Reyes got blatantly robbed and the fact he keeps losing in brutal fashion, only makes Jones' fake win over him, look worse.
Gane was the easiest fight for him at HW, and Jones actually looked crap in that fight until he got that the takedown and submission. Jones is low-key washed, and he knows it, which is why he's retiring after beating old man Stipe.
@@madgavin7568everyone did steroids so don’t say he cheated
@@duhpossible4075
How many times has jones lost his belt?
also a dirty fighter too, his eye pokes made the ufc change their gloves. he has been technically disqualified twice in his career due to his illegal tactics. But one guy powered through the pain because it probably would feel illegitimate to win off of it.
Believe it or not, fighting is hard when you can’t see your opponent. No one ever mentions that though.
MMA should be an art. Like DJ and Silva.
@@duhpossible4075 Even if that's true, two wrongs don't make a right. You people need to acknowledge a big name broke the rules and cheated numerous times instead of making whatboutisms, because its no excuse.
Like are we just going to act like a failed drug test for Turinabol means nothing now? Come on.
1. Aldo
2. GSP
3. Mighty Mouse
Anything else is wrong.
💀💀💀💀💀
Perfect 👌
Funny how people be talking about jones vs reyes controversal decision like a million times but no one talks khabib and tibau match, where khabib wasnt even able to land a single takedown and fogret about khabibs striking in that match😂
Lmao what? People parrot that tired shit in videos that aren't even related to Khabib
and GSP against Penn 1st and Hendricks
@@mas72450 as if you people don't comment khabibs name in every jones and con or video, stop being a d-rider
Khabib didn't have a scratch. Tibau landed like one big knee in round 3 and that's it. Imo, Khabib landed bigger strikes in other rounds.
Cuz Tibau was clearly on PEDs and that fight was easily 30-27 Khabib. But Jones clearly lost first 3 rounds against Reyes.
DJ is my goat. I truly believe if everyone was on an even playing field that DJ would win. He has the MOST COMPLETE mma bag oat. There isnt a thing the man cannot do in the octagon
Imo, losses dont matter as long as they are avenged, in fact it makes for a great storyline when a champion loses because of one of his own vices, before coming to realise his mistakes and making an effort to correct them and come back stronger than before.
Khabib needs to stop being overrated, yes he dominated lightweight but he had perfect matchups, most of his career he fought nobodies, the 3 best people he beat are all strikers with bad wrestling, perfect matchup for him
1 GSP
2 Demetrious Johnson
3 Jose Aldo
If we include peds then Jones is 1 and Silva is 5th, nobody besides these 5 fighters belong in a GOAT list
real for including Aldo, so many people nowadays disregard him for the Conor Fight when he's the greatest Featherweight oat in the UFC
Who did aldo beat that was decent? In his prime He got ko’d 1st round to Mcgregor, lost to Holloway and volk 😂 he’s not even the best in his division
@@move3336 Everyone he beat was good including your mum, featherweight has always been top three best and I say the best division.
TKZ, Faber, Frankie Edgar and Chad Mendes are his best wins but none of his WEC or UFC wins were bad.
Greatest doesn't mean the best, it means the greatest which means the most title defences.
Jose Aldo is not the best featherweight ever, he's probably 5th if not less than that.
Aldo's prime was before conor... he was undefeated for like 15 years... and was defending belt for a decade... its not his problem if he didn't get great contenders.... but he still has beaten elite fighters at his time@@move3336
What?? Aldo had one of the greatest title reigns of all time and completely dominated featherweight until the Conor fight. He knocked out Chad Mendes and beat him twice in total, knocked out Korean zombie and beat Frankie edgar twice. And that's just a few.
When we talk about the Domininance and positive influence it gotta be Khabib but yeah he has 3 Title defenses which is very less compared to other greats but we also must realise other divisions aren't even close to being stacked as the lightweight division
I'm making a point system for this. Should being a champion in a Major promotion besides UFC count?
You forgot to give to Jon the “double champ” status too…
he won both on drugs
I think Jon Jones is the GOAT. The fight against Reyes was not a robbery (1, 2 round Reyes won, 3rd was a draw, 4th for Jones and 5th was easy for Jones) The other close fight was vs Gustaffson (r.1, 2 for Gus but 3, 4, and dominated 5th round for Jones). The rest of his opponents got destroyed and Jon was clearly toying with them. He beat multiple big names. I don't think that Jon's personal life (car accident, weekends with cocaine) changes what he did for the sport. He's the most complete fighter in the world.
3rd round against Reyes was not a draw, Reyes clearly won on effective striking with superior volume and vastly superior impact, grappling was negligent and aggresion/octagon control are not a factor due to the clear dominance on the effective striking criteria.
jon has 11 title defenses
Can dc be in the convo ?
He definitely is
The GOAT cannot be undefeated, when you're facing the best of the best, eventually you'll lose. He is still human and all it takes is a single mistake to lose a figt
I think a problem you forgot to add about DJ is flyweight is probably the least competitive division
It’s hilarious how Jones, the biggest scumbag in the sport, is the one the UFC try to push as GOAT.
He is though
My GOAT is Amanda Nunes, so underated but I can't find anything to take her from the number 1
After her, I put Anderson Silva... Most of the critiques about him are from things that happened when he was already old. Even the loss to Weidman happened when he wasn't in his prime... His only problem was to take too long to retire... And if he retired earlier, he would be criticized for retiring soon, as Nurmagomedov
Then, after him, I put John Jones... But tbh, it's mostly because I can't ignore his personal life and I find dirty the amout of eye pokes he scores.
Jon Jones lost too. Remember Reyes
If Jon Jones is the GOAT of UFC so Armstrong is the GOAT of cyclism
For me the 3 GOATs are Jon Jones, Khabib Nurmagomedov, GSP...
Been saying this for years, it's a rock-paper-scissors thing with who the GOAT is. You can make legit arguments for (and against) half a dozen different guys
Chael Sonnen never lost a round
Amanda Nunes, GSP, Mighty Mouse. Anyone else is straight up wrong
Everyone has their own goat list. there is no such thing as goat that everyone will agree on
Silvas biggest flaw was his cockiness. He kinda ruined fights by running around for 5 rounds because of the fact he was playing with his food. That cost him his GOAT status when Weideman knocked him out while Silva was just goofing around and the rematch he broke his leg. That's how he traded the number 1 spot with maybe not even being Top 5.
The GOAT of MMA for me is Fedor Emelianenko. To me, not even thinking about who the best is just seems short-sighted to me. In reality, there is no GOAT because fighters keep improving, keep getting stronger, and diminish in skill over time. To me, Jon hasn't completely proven himself. He fought the best in his division, but most were out of their prime or he waited until they were, like he did with Lyoto Machida. If prime Shogun from the Pride FC days fought Jon Jones, I'm confident in myself when I say that I think he could win
Jones has 11 title defenses btw not 13, 8 in his first reign as LHW champ and 3 in his second.
GSP is closest to the GOAT status. He lose some fight but he get his revenge of his 2 losses anyway, that make him even greater. Also his personality, a role model of the sport.
Id disagree about Silva not being on par with the next generation. His fight against Izzy was pretty even even with that age difference
In reality we all know that Jon Jones, GSP, DJ, Silva, and Khabib are all just battling for second place, we all know who the REAL goat is. Undefeated Undisputed Chael Sonnen
GSP and MIGHTY MOUSE are the G.O.A.T's
Being undefeated in MMA just shows you didnt fight enough imo. It became such a big thing in boxing to have a perfect record and it came over to the UFC.
The ufc has a bunch of GOATS. Just string a few wins together and you're in contention for that status
Khabib was a monster, but no one knows any of the 15 first fights he had.
How is José Aldo is not in this conversation?
the definite goat is GSP, most technical fighter, would beat ANY fighter if they met up at an even weight (yes even jones, since gsp would have to gain weight making him stronger) amazing striking AND grappling, and amazing fight iq
GSP, Khabib, Demetrius Johnson, volkanovski, Cejudo
"Everyone is on steroids"-99% of the UFC
There is a goat and his name is demetrious johnson. Most title defenses, fought a whos who at flyweight, did it clean with no ped or troubles outside of fighting, even after losing a close fight against triple c he went to one fc and won their flyweight belt. Yea he lost the first fight against moraes and lost to cruz but he fought cruz at bantamweight and just got caught with a knee vs moraes. Hes is one of if not the best mma fighters ever.
Flyweight is a trash division with no names
for me it will always be khabib nurmagomedov
note ,
before every fight every opponent knew very well Khabib had only one gameplan
take you down and beat the shit outta you
round 1 on anyone , takes them down regardless who it is dagistani handcuff and wrestle/ground and pound
if they survived round 1
round 2 same process repeats , takes them down and they get dragged into this feeling of they can't do anything against it
despite knowing his gameplan and training weeks to stop it
round 3 same over and over and over
eventually
ref stops or they get tapped out
they break mentally and physically or they survived all rounds being smeshed mercyless for 5 rounds and khabib wins on decision
that's what makes him to me the best to ever do it
his style was just unstoppable no matter who you are
Khabib never bled. Jon got his ass beat by Gus and was gifted a win against Reyes. No where near as dominant as khabib
I know it is too early, and really hot take, but Islam could be the GOAT in a couple years if he doesn’t pull a Khabib. Rn I can only see him getting better and defending his belt more and more. He’s the p4p right now and probably for the next fights unless a big upset happens. Although i cant see that happening since he is prob the most complete fighter in the present
Crazy how Bones would be the undisputed GOAT if he had never been popped for PEDs… but then again, maybe he would have lost a few fights due to not being on them… who knows
Nearly every professional athlete is on some sort of illegal drugs
I personally value being clean rather than undefeated, if you think it's Jones you have no morals and bad character.
didn’t even mention cm punk
Another important thing about Mighty Mouse is they never let him get his belt back from triple C which is a crime
Gsp and mighty mouse are definitely the two goats
Dude Cheal sennon , that's your answer
You forgot about paddy pimblett. Clear goat. Chad behaviour to hold a high chin and take strikes like an amateur to make your opponent think his hits dont do nothin
losing at the end of the career shouldn't count.
The most important factor is. Period of dominance.
If a fighter fights for 20 years, and only loses at the end, but then loses 8 times, but they had 20 years undefeated. It's stupid to count those losses. The win ratio during their prime, combine with the duration of that prime, is what makes one the goat or not.
7 of Anderson Silva wins were at the end. I would wager those don't count.
Any fighter will lose eventually.
1:53 So have numerous other top ranking heavyweight UFC fighters like Francis Nganou, Brock Lesner, Alister Oveream, even elite fighters in lower weight classes…. They simply haven’t been tested for them nothing more. Just because a fighter isn’t huge doesn’t mean they aren’t leveraging some form of performance enhancing wherever possible; this argument is completely moot.
Never understood why people call khabib the goat. His record is padded asf and held up the division when he fought Connor, made max, Dustin, Tony, and Justin fight for interim titles.
It's Mighty Mouse had his relationship with the UFC management not soured and he had never left, this debate wouldn't have existed, he probably wouldn't have lost to Cejudo if that wasn't the case and went up the weight class won the title and avenged his loss against Cruz probably. It would've been over
Jon literally has title defenses against OSP and Chael who both have 17 Losses but khabib finished Justin & Dustin who are still ranked top 3 and ppl cry that he had a padded record.
if u take away the osp and chael fights he still has more title defenses against better fighters
Are you serious
dj for sure. he's kept winning in one where everyone is 10lbs + bigger, likely never taken steroids and was extremely donninant. jon jones has juiced throughout his career and mostly fought smaller opponents too. pound for pound, dj is the goat
I think if Khabib had at least 5 title defenses it would be easier to justify him as the GOAT but 3 is just not even close to enough when you compare him to other guys that reigned over their divisions for countless fights.
I never really realized but yea besides boxing mma is the only sport that doesn’t have a clear goat
Football: Messi
Basketball: Jordan
NFL: Brady
Tennis: djokovic
Golf: tiger
How you can be the goat if you cheat?
Anyone who doesn’t have Aldo AT LEAST top 3 is a certified casual.
connor disagrees 🤡🤡🤣🤣
We did tho, DJ. And then he became the MMA goat.
Losses shouldn't matter when discussing GOATS. look at other sports and look at who's the GOAT in each sport
Soccer: Messi, Ronaldo, whoever
Basketball: MJ, whoever
baseball: whoever it is.
have all of them won every single game they were in: ABSOLUTELY NOT, and they're still praised for the best to do it.
if losses don't count in other sports, why should it here?
it should be about skill, technique, title defenses, ETC.
if we look at just ability, i think Jones is the greatest FIGHTER of all time. He's well rounded with high fight IQ and beats people everywhere. But he is also a freak of nature athlete and always has the physical advantage (height and reach). I think DJ is the greatest MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST of all time. GSP is 2nd but i think DJ is the most well rounded fighter ever AND he is always the one at a physical disadvantage pretty much always fighting against the reach advantage.
Gsp never got caught taking steroids
Leaving, getting fat, and coming back to win the belt in another division with a cherry picked match up that is in your favor is not impressive.
Fighters should be judged on how much they dominated and how good their competition was, not belts or getting belts years letter in other divisions.
This tbh, I don't rate GSP beating Bisping, (the most beatable champion in the last decade) who only had 1 eye and injured ribs. But the same goes for Jones, Gane's grappling had been exposed and the gameplan couldn't have been simpler for him
Yes we do it’s my CAF on every ufc game
Those reasons for Dj are complete bullshit. It's obvious the only reason He isn't considered in the Convo is simply the fact nobody gave a shit about him and his reign.