@@raiderglace8641 yep. The defense shouldn't have been out there in the first place. Amazing how the refs had the balls to fuck over the Raiders in the final Oakland game.
As a life long Raider fan in Colorado, I'm glad I got to get to Oakland for 1 game, and it happened to be the Thursday night game where the Raiders took out the chiefs in an insane ending. That being said, the coliseum was extremely outdated, and falling apart. It was still amazing to be there for that one game, and glad it was an insane Raider win.
@@Marcofromda510 no, it was the game the Raiders won with like 3 untimed downs after we thought Cook got in, then crab pushed off, then there were like 3 DPI calls, and finally Carr hit Crab in the front corner of the endzone.
Man, I'm a Raiders fan in CO, and it's sad seeing them now, as well as getting lots of bullshit for being a Raiders fan. They used to actually do pretty good. Not amazing, but decent. Lets hope they make a comeback! Raider Nation 4 Life!
Hey Five great video. I think this is a two way blame here. The City of Oakland lost two of their major sports franchises with one leaning towards leaving because they forced them to play in venues that should have been demolished years ago. The Oakland colloseum and the Oracle Arena were in such disrepair that it made FedEx field look modern in comparison. Mark Davis isn't as rich as your other NFL owners and pretty much their punching bag. The Raiders still has a big fan base in Los Angeles and got denied by a rich a-hole with a bad toupee. I wouldn't say the franchise failed in Oakland winning two Super Bowl and one in L.A. Greed and ignorance is what drove the team to Las Vegas.
I would tell you that Oakland Arena is not in "disrepair", it still hosts shows in Oakland. Also, Oakland did not "force them" to play there, if they want new fields or parks, they should PAY FOR THEM.
@@Hiei2k7 Oh ffs, the coliseum has had sewage and rat issues for 15 yrs now. Stop pretending its anywhere near the standard of other nfl stadiums. As for your pay for them excuse. Maybe instead of the city bringing in a 3rd party like the nfl told them not to do in a way to take ownership of the team. Maybe just maybe we would still have them in oakland.
@@Hiei2k7 Hi Hiei love your stuff when you show up on the dumpster fire and roast Tom Grossi. I agree with you 100% that owners should pay for their stadiums, but since we follow sports like a religion and really life without sports trash talk is dull. The owners will say some sob story and make the fans rain fecal matter on the city. In the case Oakland however when you have the sewage fill the dugout and locker rooms that's safety concern for everyone. Go bearica
As a browns fans who saw our team stolen by Art Modell to Baltimore, I feel for Oakland raiders fans. They deserve both a quality baseball and football stadiums. The coliseum needs to go it’s such a dump now. Probably worst stadium in professional sports now with Tropicana field in close second.
Raiders and browns were totally different scenarios. The city of Cleveland never went back on promises, they genuinely deserved better. Oakland was a joke and continued to be one with both the warriors and A's. The city is the failure in this scenario
@@michaellyden2580 exactly - he owns it he can do what he wants with it --- reason #11137445563737383 why public money should NEVER be used to pay to build a professional sports stadium
Back in 2016, during Bleacher Report’s first season of Gridiron Heights (UA-cam series), they released a Raiders rap episode “Raiders crash the AFC Elites party”, and one of the lines in that rap was “fuck Mark Davis if we move to Las Vegas!” lmfao
My buddy who I work with is from the bay and a big fan of the Raiders, I asked him what he thought of the move to Vegas. He said it hurt him a lot, but he would never give up on them even if they aren’t in Oakland. I may not be a fan of the Raiders, but I will give them that their fans are ridiculously passionate and loyal, I have to respect that.
Yup...they're one of those fan groups that are "all-in" on their team...unbelievably loyal and passionate...if they ever win another super bowl that's gonna be a group of fans that are certainly not band wagoners....much like the lions
The biggest reason why the Las Vegas Vegas wanted to bring in the raiders is very simple not just wanted an NFL team but they also wanted to host the Super Bowl. In order for that city to host a Super Bowl they need of course to have an NFL team and they need to have an nfl stadium that matches the NF l's criteria for hosting a Super Bowl. They're one of the few settings you could host Super Bowl and actually make significant money significant profits. Look at the money Los Angeles made composed in Super Bowl Vegas can do way better.
@@nodebt6188 My late mom was a Raiders fan (actually, she WAS a Raider, life philosophy included-come one, come all-) and she loved the Vegas move (passed away in 2017). I'm happy you're enjoying going to the games, and my mom would feel the same way.
Flew out to the Raiders/Steelers game a few years back in Oakland. The stadium and city were a dump. There were mountains of trash/construction scraps piled up around the stadium. The trough in the bathroom was backflowing and half the handrails swaggered boisterously. The city was like Newark except more homeless people and expensive af. Still had a great time but I couldn't be happier they have professional facilities in a better town. Edit: San Fran isn't off the hook either. Ten square blocks are nice, but the rest is also a dump.
I have lived in the bay area and Las Vegas and if you think Las Vegas is any different you are kidding yourself. Outside of a couple of nice areas its a complete dump. Even the strip is pure trash just with a shiny facade.
@@chrismess135 no city [in America] is perfect and have their own problems with trash being dumped on city streets and alleys, crime, poverty, drugs, abandoned structures, and political corruption.
Was it that game in 2018? The one where the kicker botched the kick cuz we had bad grass maintenance. the only time i was happy we had horrible stadium. It came in handy 😂😂
A lot of people don't realize that Al Davis was not a wealthy man he was not a businessman, the Raiders were all he had, unlike several other owners who made money before they owned their teams. It always made it hard for the Raiders to get their own stadium, Mark Davis had to get a handout from Nevada to get his stadium, once his mom passes because of the estate tax he will very likely have to sell.
I feel bad for Oakland, it makes me sad to think off the memories my Dad has of watching his A’s continuation of failure. My Dad is always the A’s and has watched them since he was a 3 year old kid for me the Avalanche are like the A’s are to my Dad, no matter how hard it gets to be a fan of a team u have to stay the course. My dad saw the whole Moneyball era and Kirk Gibsons walk off game 1 1988 when he was just a 9 year old kid. I’m 17 now I’m an Avs fan for life and My dad is an A’s fan for life. 2 different sports but these 2 teams are similar personally
The raiders moving to Las Vegas actually gives more access to Raiders fans than just being in Oakland since about a quarter of Arizona and at least half of SoCal are Raiders fans. This also adds a new market for them to add more fans. In all actuality it was a pretty smart move especially with Oakland not being as important or as big a city as it was.
I grew up in Northern California. Raised a 49ers fan but as much as we have a cross bay rivalry and give each other shit, there's always been some sympathy for the Raiders fans. And watching their struggles most of my life and then the way they left the city is just sad. And it's sadly not over because fans in Oakland may soon lose their baseball team that has been here for 55 years. To add insult to injury many analysts say that Oakland is a substandard city for professional sports that even the MLS and WNBA doesn't want. It's hard to say what will happen for the future of sport in the OAK but I think it's "glory" days (if there ever were any) are over.
I know those days are gone but I think there were "glory days" in Oakland in the 70s and 80s considering: Oakland won a championship in MLB,NFL and NBA(technically) before SF ever won a ship in each sport. A's and Raiders won before the Giants or 49ers ever did...Warriors won in 75 in Oakland. A's swept Giants in the Battle of the Bay world Series during an earthquake.(classic!)
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 yea I’m surprised that wasn’t mentioned in this video being that Vegas is now a new leaf for the raiders, seems like the raiders always have something against them either bring penalties, the refs, or just poor decisions.
You know, if Oakland funded a new Raiders stadium in the 90’s instead of funding Mount Davis and Al Davis himself wasn’t so reckless, we’d still have the Oakland Raiders.
@@nadaesfacil they spent over 500 million on mount Davis. All it would have taken at the time was another 300 million split between the city and the NFL and it could have worked problem was the As were the primary tenant.
If only they focused on the Raiders instead of the Athletics the Raiders would still be in Northern California to this day either in Oakland or San Jose but at least they would still be in the Bay Area the team that should’ve left should’ve been the Athletics and move them to Portland which doesn’t have a baseball team yet and is dying for one at moment we don’t need 2 baseball teams because we already have the San Francisco Giants who might move down to San Jose in couple of years I still believe we get our Raiders back to Northern California when the NFL give Las Vegas an expansion team.
Around the time that Sacramento had acquired the Kings, the area of Natomas around what is now known as Sleep Train Arena was and still really is wide open. STA sits on an ocean of asphalt north of Downtown Sac off of the I-80/I-5 crossover and had the diggings for a baseball stadium going up behind it. It wouldn't have surprised me that Sac in that era would have put out the money necessary to attract the Raiders. After the return to Oakland, the city and county (Alameda Co.) sprung for Mt. Davis, the ugly addition onto the western (outfield) section to inflate seat numbers for the NFL to allow the return to stick. But clearly, Mark didn't have the money to build in Oakland and the city has bigger things to spend its money on. He got caught on a hot mic during a Vegas news segment blaming California's state government for not bending the knee for him - Duh. This state has more pressing issues to deal with than Bowl Cut Boy crying poor. Not only did Nevada pony up that money for him, but he also mortgaged the team to get Allegiant built. That team is 1 bad season away from being owned by Bank of America.
Imagine thinking its wanting a governor to "bend the knee" to help out his people and something he taxes heavily. It's mark wanting a few sheckels so he coulda stayed where he loved while Cali wastes billions a year on awful infrastructure plans and construction. Or God forbid their crack pipes and opioid "treatments". Legal ways to get people high on tax dollars. Newsome simps are crazy inept. You're the most braindead of the bunch tho. And your biggest issue in that state is your politics. You drive out workers and money makers cause " herp de derp we got more pressing issues". Usually still helping drug addicts get high and outta jail or coof or now monkeypox
He never wanted to be in Oakland. He bought the domain of Lasvegasriders com in the 00s, never lived in Oakland when he owned the team, and during the last game in Oakland he was asked if he felt any nostalgia of playing in Oakland and he straight up said NO.
I still live where I grew up about 10 minutes away from the coliseum… the childhood memories of that place are amazing. It was always kind of a dump and still is. Only right I took a piece of the stadium home with me last Raiders game lol
Having been to the old coliseum in the last year the Raiders were there it was absolutely time for a move the bathrooms were literally leaking water all over the place the seats looked 40 years old and were uncomfortable as hell, everything about the coliseum just screamed it hasn't been cared for since the 80's wasn't a very good stadium experience, but the tailgating before hand was awesome and watching my favorite team win by just 7 points against the 0-9 Bengals wasn't exactly fun either
this is an underrated video of yours mr. five points. thanks for breaking down this story in a concise way, i've only ever heard it in bits and pieces.
Raiders: We're leaving Oakland Oakland: Fine! Athletics: We're leaving- Oakland: *NO NO NO PLEASE STAY, HERE HAVE A STADIUM BY THE PORT. WE DON'T CARE IF THE PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE DOING IT FOR YOU, BABY*
By all means the A’s were always the team Oakland had the best chance of keeping. It was always known that the Warriors wanted to move to SF but didn’t have the money until recently. The Raiders probably wouldn’t be able to get a stadium taxpayer funded in Oakland or the whole Bay Area as many in the area have said that it doesn’t make sense to have 2 NFL stadiums so close to each other as now teams share stadiums. But the A’s are definitely Oakland’s team. They were not originally an SF team like the Warriors and Raiders and they also stayed the whole time unlike the Warriors and Raiders who both left and came back. Also taxpayers would more likely fund an MLB stadium as its cheaper and is used more often.
The Athletics play 81 home games a year. Whereas, the Raiders only 8 home games. So it's not difficult to do the math. Plus, it's cheaper to build a MLB stadium.
@@fantasticvoyage262 But why would Oakland spring money forward? The only thing the city has done is approve the plans submitted for Howard Terminal, there's still a lot of hurdles to clear. And given the A's performance and personnel decisions, it certainly appears to be sandbagging as both a middle finger to Oakland and buying time for the political sphere in Nevada to stabilize.
As a longtime Raiders fan: Al Davis was accused of greed because he wanted luxury boxes, which is why he loved to LA. Eventually all the teams got those boxes except for Oakland. The Colosseum was not a good football stadium - I went to loads of games there. The Oakland Colosseum was a dump. I haven’t been to Vegas yet. But it’s a ridiculously good destination stadium. The Raiders lose some home field because so many other team fans want to go to see a game in Vegas. It’s a brilliant move Meanwhile, Oakland is losing everybody. The politicians in Oakland are also in it for the money and the power and have driven off pro sports teams like other businesses got driven out of the entire state of California.
Football is one of the biggest things I look forward to each year. Being in a cold winter climate, watching NFL is one of the few things to do and enjoy in the fall and winter. I would be beyond devastated if my team ever packed up and left, I feel horrible for any fans that have had to go through this
Obviously you don’t remember Derek Carr sliding in bounds after picking up a 1st down that would have allowed him to run out the clock. Conveniently the ref ruled he slid out of bounds and allowed the jags to get the ball back and the rest is history
Exactly we got screwed big time, that should have been the seal on that win. I remember Derek sliding and throwing up the O with his hands as tribute to Oakland, it should have won us the game...but noooo refs HAD to screw us.
To be fair in that Jacksonville game, The raiders had the lead and slid in bounds after getting a first down. But the ref called Derek Carr out of bounds when he wasn't and they didn't change it. So instead of them getting to run the clock down and get a first down they called him short and out of bounds so they had to punt giving the jaguars the opportunity to win the game.
Oakland is run down and the government doesn't realize how important building a stadium and fixing up / cleaning up the down town core is very important. If the residents aren't careful I have a feeling the Government will use Gentification to remove residents ....!
In 1995 Al Davis was offered a stadium in Inglewood at the same spot as Sofi Stadium. Davis turned it down because he didn’t want to share. He made a mistake moving back to Oakland.
Al Davis also attempted to build the Raiders Stadium in Irwindale, CA in 1987.And the city of Irwindale paid Davis $10 million as a good-faith deposit for a prospective stadium site When the bid failed, Davis kept the non-refundable deposit.
Longtime Raider fan.Recall some great games and athletes that donned the black & silver.Also remember some excellent coaches with the organization.Don't really know much about Mark Davis,however when I see his image sporting that little pumpkin pie haircut I'm reminded of Lloyd Christmas.
I was a season ticket member from 2016 to 2018 (3 seasons) I went to my first game in 2015 for the second game of the season vs Baltimore, the week before that game the Raiders were slaughtered at home by the Cincinnati Bengals. The offense didn’t even get past the 50 yard line until the late 3rd quarter. By then it was too late as the bengals were outscoring the Raiders by 20+ points, Derek Carr had injured his thumb trying to stiff-arm a defender. The next two seasons were great. Being there for the 2016 run was something special, especially since I haven’t seen the Raiders in the playoffs since I was 5 and I wasn’t even a fan at the time but my relatives were huge fans so I guess they’re part of the reason why I became a fan. Still, the coliseum was a shithole. No doubt about it. It was a special shithole with lots of crazy memories and energy within its walls and stands. It was a shame to see the team go but hey, they moved to a real life Death Star in the party capital of the world. They still play on natural grass too which I love because turf doesn’t feel real enough
I've been a Raiders fan since 1980. My take, no city wanted to give the Raiders a new stadium except when Las Vegas step in. It only 54 years but they finally got a new stadium. My personal feelings are, to hell with Oakland and Los Angeles. They had their chance and they blew it.
@@justinkase454 it was reported publicly. Al had a deal at the site of SoFi Stadium. He walked away from it. His ego got in the way and killed off the opportunity of the Raiders being in LA indefinitely
Moving to Vegas was and is a mistake. Their biggest fanbase will always be in Los Angeles. There are more Raider fans at SoFi Stadium than Allegiant Stadium where it's mostly made up of fans of the visiting teams such as the Kansas City Chiefs.
@@sjdrifter72 But the Rams ownership knew the Raiders were more popular and they didn't want the Raiders there. Apparently, the Rams were the lead negotiating team
I was big Charlotte Hornets fan from their first day of existence in 1987. When they skipped town to New Orleans after the owners repeatedly lied about not moving I was pissed. I haven't watched an NBA game since. I know the Hornets are back but that experience soured me on pro sports in general. Only watch college now.
Al Davis was promised luxury suites at the LA Coliseum for many years. Each year the Coliseum Committee balked at the idea. When proposed deals in Inglewood and Irwindale failed Davis was welcomed back with open arms to Oakland
Why did the Raiders leave Oakland twice? It's a father-like-son thing! Like his dad, Mark put his own interests ahead of the fans and league! Al had a great thing going in Oakland but then got greedy and bailed out! Then Mark decided not to find someone with an interest in keeping Oakland where they are and also bailed!
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@@araucanoraptorargentinus3973it was the A'ss who blocked Mark Davis' plan to rebuild the Colloseum from the ground up. Should've changed their name to the L's
When you have Oakland, the city that is clueless on how to straighten up itself from crimes and economic downturns, and the Raiders, a proud franchise (this is a big compliment from the Broncos fan who hate the Raiders) that have not won a single playoff game since the fateful SB 37 (made to the playoff twice out of 19 seasons after 2002 season), it is difficult for fans in Oakland to continue to have the team in your city. You already lost the Raiders and Warriors (Oracle Arena used to be in Oakland but the Warriors moved to a new arena in San Francisco), and the remaining one is not a guarantee, ultimately it is more on the city of Oakland to get more blame.
Las Vegas is making big brain moves. One of the most efficient cities in the world in terms of water use and they managed to fund a brand new stadium by making out of towners foot the bill. Also just imagine if Al Davis owned the Kings and they had to wear black and silver.
@@chriskay1449 Which ones? I've only ever heard and read that none of them do and never seen anything saying otherwise. And attempting to search out only led me to a bunch of articles that had a suspicious high amount of St. Louis but none saying the name of one that profitted.
my first football game to see on tv was super bowl 15 when everyone picked the eagles I was hooked! Games were cheap the year before they drafted jamarcus! I sat on mount davis in the rain. I wore silver and black days the 49ers played in super bowls! my heart was broken when they moved!
City could not really do anything because the A’s are the primary tenant so they could not build anything new site was too small for another building. The As will be in Vegas next year.
We had to leave oakland, the city didn’t want to give us a new stadium, the colosseum was from the 60s and we shared it with the A’s (we were the last hybrid stadium in NFL and MLB)
@@schaperart simple answer, mark davis is not a billionaire, also a team with a new and nice stadium would bring in significantly more value to the cities economy
@@559austin5 Im not a billionaire either - should the city pay to build a venue for me to run my private business? Or should I as a business owner be responsible to pay the costs needed to run my company myself? Also every economic study ever done shows the municipalities never get back in revenue the pie in sky bs estimates the owners pay for - thats bs - every comminity that has paid public money to build a stadium for a private team has come out on the losing end - take out the emotion and use common sense - public money should not be used to pay for a privately owned stadium
@@schaperart is your private business a major sports league that while bring in millions of dollars and value to the city economy? if not then no they shouldn’t
@@schaperart regardless of your stance on the city paying for a stadium or not, the owner of the business has the right to leave the city if he feels he can’t get what he wants there
I love the Raiders and will always cherish their legacy but I also appreciate highlighting the not-so-good history of the team. It gives a complete picture of the franchise. Thanks for the vid, Five!
Being from St. Louis i understand the frustration of Oakland fans. It is all about stadium building. In 1988 the Cardinals left for Arizona when owner Bill Bidwill mistakenly thought Arizona was going to rigtt away fund and buildi a new stadium there but it took 18 years so they played in a college football stadium. The separate St. Louis city and county governemnt fought over the location of a new football stadium that resulted in no new stadium. Attendance was not an issue. St. Louis did approve funding for a new football stadium for the Rams (actually twice) but it was through the local court they were able to do so the second time without the need for any voiing by residents for public funding that would have failed otherwise but was deemed to be tax based on sales purchases so was somewaht controverial. St. Louis attendance had dwindled as soon as the local media annouced that Stan Kroenke purchased the land for SOFI years prior so depsite denials many knew it was over. The St. Louis region made a great effort though to fund the new stadium and be prepared for groundgreaking with the new riverfront stadium plans shown to all by the local media making for great excitement but their only chance was through the NFL relocation by-laws set up to protect small market cities. Also, Kroenke needed to fund the portion in common with how most NFL stadiums have been built in the past so was not all to be funded by St. Louis. As uncovered during the St. Louis lawsuit of the NFL, it was the signing of an Indemnification agreemnt by Stan Kroenke that swayed the NFL owners to approve the Kroenke move to the large market of L.A.. Roger Goodell and the NFL got their wish of an NFL owner wealthy enough to build in the L.A. market, but the St. Louis lawsuit uncovered so much that would not hve been known for certain otherwise.
grew up around the area and all my first sports games were at the colosseum (was always cheaper until recently), never was an A’s or raiders fan, but it hurts me to see what’s happening to a lot of diehard fans around here. there’s a good support system for the raiders and a’s here, ownership really hasn’t given them much to clamor about for 3 decades tho. vegas makes perfect sense, but it’s sad to see the first ever sports town i experienced get speed ran out of sports within a 5 yr span. will always have a soft spot for oracle and the colosseum, even if they are dumps
The Raiders left LA because. When they move from Oakland to La they were promised new luxury boxes in the Coliseum. La renege on that deal. Northridge Quake comes and damaged the Colosseum. City of La spends 100 million dollars on epoxy to fix it instead of giving the stadium a new facelift. Then Al Davis wanted to build a stadium in Inglewood in the exact same spot where Sofi stadium is. The NFL was forcing the Raiders to share their stadium with the Rams. Al Davis said no so he moved the team back to Oakland. It was not the fans fault. If you ask me it was Nate Holden's fault.
And the Raiders started in San Francisco, where they played in 1960 and 1961, at Kezar Stadium and Candlestick Park. Most Raider fans don't know that, or won't admit it, and also don't know that the team in its first three years wore black and gold, not silver. I noticed in 2010 that the Raiders did not wear their uniforms from that time as other teams did of their original uniforms when the AFL started in 1960. It's as though the Raiders didn't exist until Al Davis got control of the team, got rid of the gold with silver, becoming coach in 1963 and taking the team away from its original owners, Ed McGah and Chet Soda
I didn’t know the history and clicked on this cause I was curious why the Raiders moved to LA and back. It didn’t dawn on me the team has been under the same ownership, Al and Mark. Makes me feel bad for the fans!
Dont matter if its LA,LV or OAK. Raiders get love. Our fanbase transcends one city. I genuinely believe we can move to any city without a established team and do great. We havent been in LA for almost 30 years and still run the city. Same with OAK. The teams fanbase is something else
Al Davis tried to build a new stadium in Irwindale , 16 miles east of downtown LA and actually owned the land before moving back to Oakland in 95. He sued the NFL and had number lawsuits against the NFL at this time as wellz
@@otaviofrn_adv primarily because he really was the embodiment of The Raiders " Just Win Baby " You know what that saying means ? It means idc how you do it just win the damn game it's so simple but so Powerful
Because Oakland sucks and has too many trashy people and gangs causing all manner of problems. It wasn't getting better any time soon and the organization was smart to try something new... Las Vegas has plenty of problems too but at least its fun if you have the money. It's a huge step in the right direction for the franchise. The new stadium looks awesome and its going to be an amazing experience when the Raiders eventually win a Super Bowl there one day.
Great video 5Points. The big loser here are the Oakland residents and fans who had to go through the heartbreak of losing their team twice. It's also very hard to argue the logic for the Raiders moving and I'm sad to say the Athletics might be joining them in Vegas and it's a shame the powers that be in Oakland and Alameda county along with Athletics can't solidify a stadium deal now for the A's because again with the Warriors crossing the bridge and the Raiders moving to Vegas and now the great baseball fans and residents are going to lose their last team!
As someone from the Bay Area, I can say that the Raiders were popular in LA than they were in the Bay Area. Plus when they came back, they made the Coliseum (an already sub-par stadium) into a terrible stadium, and they ended up tarping off Mt. Davis in later years.
As a lifelong Raider fan and someone who lived in the Bay Area for over 30 years, Oakland broke a lot of promises they made to get them back. When everything was done, they moved to LV for economic reasons, period. After playing for decades in one of the worst stadiums in the NFL, I'm glad they're in an area where they can thrive and since I no longer live in the area it's still just a plane ticket away. RNFL!
@@kimyona9746 Yeah, it's now in the heart of the west coast. Easy access and fast time to get there for anyone. I live in Arizona, had season tickets to the Oakland stadium, it sucked driving 7 hrs to get to Oak. Now I'm 3 hours away from the stadium. The move to Vegas benefited me. It's so much easier to get to Las Vegas from Arizona than from California. For Oakland it's 4 hrs to get there. And for los Angeles fans 4 also.
@@nadaesfacil yeah i used to live in az. I live in socal now. In socal it's raider territory. Rams are basically half of LA and the old people that were Rams fans before they went to St. Louis. When I went to visit Arizona again I saw about like a quarter to a third of the people there are Raiders fans from what I saw.
It's forgotten that the reason Al Davis gave up on Marcus Allen was his 1989 holdout; a player was dead to Davis if they held out (same thing happened to Steve Beuerlein; holdouts were few with the Raiders, players were paid).
I remember once upon a time that Oakland was named one of the worst city for professional sports franchise by ESPN. Back then the other cities were Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, and Atlanta.
For some reason as much as I hate relocating teams especially to cities that already have a team (LA Chargers), I honestly love this relocation as I hated how the Bay Area had two teams as there was already 4 teams in California and it was good that an entire state good a new pro team in Nevada. Plus Vegas really fits the Raiders brand as their both outlaws and rebellious.
@@neutralsportsfan17 I'm sure they're saving money from the outrageous income tax and other random taxes that California has and also their outrageous real estate prices
Why is it always California city’s? I know las angeles is just a bigger city with a huge market, but just like Oakland, the San Diego area is slowly losing its teams. I hope the padres do something amazing this year to keep Pro Sports there
The Padres own 30% of Petco Park. They are effectively joined at the hip to the city. The Chargers didn't own any of Qualcomm and frankly have given up a lot of control just to be "valued" higher for being in LA as opposed to SD. Why would San Diego bend over backwards for ownership that didn't put in any skin?
Also California is a Baseball and Basketball state. Football is the 3rd. I live in California. I know. Also Las Vegas was the perfect place to move because it's actually more accessible to more of their fans than Oakland is.
My Jags tried to give that game to the Raiders, but OAK refused to take the win. Hell, even I wanted OAK to win that game, so they could've went out with a last hurrah, and we would've gotten a better draft pick.
Probably because Oakland wouldn't give him a better stadium than Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum....Know that was one of the reasons that the Browns left for Baltimore in '95......
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Davis wasn't "blaming the fans". It's obvious the effects fan turnout has on a team's production. Hence, "The 12th Man".
Raiders: This is our last game here in Oakland, so let's give our all!
Gardner Minshew: *It's showtime*
Raiders: Soooo when's the next bus to Vegas?
Except the refs fucked up that slide that would have ended the game...
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@@raiderglace8641 yep. The defense shouldn't have been out there in the first place. Amazing how the refs had the balls to fuck over the Raiders in the final Oakland game.
As a life long Raider fan in Colorado, I'm glad I got to get to Oakland for 1 game, and it happened to be the Thursday night game where the Raiders took out the chiefs in an insane ending. That being said, the coliseum was extremely outdated, and falling apart. It was still amazing to be there for that one game, and glad it was an insane Raider win.
Was that the over time game in the rain when Jacoby Ford went deep and caught the ball deep in chiefs territory to set up the game winning field goal?
@@Marcofromda510 no, it was the game the Raiders won with like 3 untimed downs after we thought Cook got in, then crab pushed off, then there were like 3 DPI calls, and finally Carr hit Crab in the front corner of the endzone.
@@celica49 that was a classic as well. Hell of a game to be at
Oakland sucks maybe.
Man, I'm a Raiders fan in CO, and it's sad seeing them now, as well as getting lots of bullshit for being a Raiders fan. They used to actually do pretty good. Not amazing, but decent. Lets hope they make a comeback! Raider Nation 4 Life!
Hey Five great video.
I think this is a two way blame here. The City of Oakland lost two of their major sports franchises with one leaning towards leaving because they forced them to play in venues that should have been demolished years ago. The Oakland colloseum and the Oracle Arena were in such disrepair that it made FedEx field look modern in comparison.
Mark Davis isn't as rich as your other NFL owners and pretty much their punching bag. The Raiders still has a big fan base in Los Angeles and got denied by a rich a-hole with a bad toupee.
I wouldn't say the franchise failed in Oakland winning two Super Bowl and one in L.A. Greed and ignorance is what drove the team to Las Vegas.
I would tell you that Oakland Arena is not in "disrepair", it still hosts shows in Oakland. Also, Oakland did not "force them" to play there, if they want new fields or parks, they should PAY FOR THEM.
@@Hiei2k7 Oh ffs, the coliseum has had sewage and rat issues for 15 yrs now. Stop pretending its anywhere near the standard of other nfl stadiums. As for your pay for them excuse. Maybe instead of the city bringing in a 3rd party like the nfl told them not to do in a way to take ownership of the team. Maybe just maybe we would still have them in oakland.
@@raiderglace8641 Go back and read my reply and your original comment. The Coliseum has sewage issues, the ARENA is fine.
@@Hiei2k7 Hi Hiei love your stuff when you show up on the dumpster fire and roast Tom Grossi. I agree with you 100% that owners should pay for their stadiums, but since we follow sports like a religion and really life without sports trash talk is dull. The owners will say some sob story and make the fans rain fecal matter on the city. In the case Oakland however when you have the sewage fill the dugout and locker rooms that's safety concern for everyone.
Go bearica
@@Hiei2k7 Oakland broke promises to even work with all three teams for a new location for stadiums. Stfu cause your ignorance is showing heavily
As a browns fans who saw our team stolen by Art Modell to Baltimore, I feel for Oakland raiders fans. They deserve both a quality baseball and football stadiums. The coliseum needs to go it’s such a dump now. Probably worst stadium in professional sports now with Tropicana field in close second.
Raiders and browns were totally different scenarios. The city of Cleveland never went back on promises, they genuinely deserved better. Oakland was a joke and continued to be one with both the warriors and A's. The city is the failure in this scenario
FedEx Field is miles worse than the Trop. I've been to both.
You can't steal something that you own.
@@michaellyden2580 exactly - he owns it he can do what he wants with it --- reason #11137445563737383 why public money should NEVER be used to pay to build a professional sports stadium
@@michaellyden2580 true. I meant stole from the fans, broke their hearts.
Back in 2016, during Bleacher Report’s first season of Gridiron Heights (UA-cam series), they released a Raiders rap episode “Raiders crash the AFC Elites party”, and one of the lines in that rap was “fuck Mark Davis if we move to Las Vegas!” lmfao
So much for "Staying in Oakland" XD
That rap sticks in my mind. So many lines in that song I remember
Every so often I'll randomly think "Cause the Raiders belong in the 5-1-0". Almost the entire rap aged poorly, but it's like a time machine now.
My buddy who I work with is from the bay and a big fan of the Raiders, I asked him what he thought of the move to Vegas. He said it hurt him a lot, but he would never give up on them even if they aren’t in Oakland. I may not be a fan of the Raiders, but I will give them that their fans are ridiculously passionate and loyal, I have to respect that.
Yup...they're one of those fan groups that are "all-in" on their team...unbelievably loyal and passionate...if they ever win another super bowl that's gonna be a group of fans that are certainly not band wagoners....much like the lions
Would love to see you do a video on the process of expansion teams
The biggest reason why the Las Vegas Vegas wanted to bring in the raiders is very simple not just wanted an NFL team but they also wanted to host the Super Bowl. In order for that city to host a Super Bowl they need of course to have an NFL team and they need to have an nfl stadium that matches the NF l's criteria for hosting a Super Bowl. They're one of the few settings you could host Super Bowl and actually make significant money significant profits. Look at the money Los Angeles made composed in Super Bowl Vegas can do way better.
Yea one day The Blackhole is gonna be one hell of a host
Ehhh that’s not the only reason. They wanted a sports team in general.
@@MikeSuth4040 The golden Knights were here before the Raiders, and was in works before the Raiders were voted to move.
We have begged for professional teams in Vegas for decades. We want to go see the games. I have raider season tickets. The games are so much fun.
@@nodebt6188 My late mom was a Raiders fan (actually, she WAS a Raider, life philosophy included-come one, come all-) and she loved the Vegas move (passed away in 2017). I'm happy you're enjoying going to the games, and my mom would feel the same way.
Flew out to the Raiders/Steelers game a few years back in Oakland. The stadium and city were a dump. There were mountains of trash/construction scraps piled up around the stadium. The trough in the bathroom was backflowing and half the handrails swaggered boisterously. The city was like Newark except more homeless people and expensive af. Still had a great time but I couldn't be happier they have professional facilities in a better town.
Edit: San Fran isn't off the hook either. Ten square blocks are nice, but the rest is also a dump.
I have lived in the bay area and Las Vegas and if you think Las Vegas is any different you are kidding yourself. Outside of a couple of nice areas its a complete dump. Even the strip is pure trash just with a shiny facade.
@@chrismess135 no city [in America] is perfect and have their own problems with trash being dumped on city streets and alleys, crime, poverty, drugs, abandoned structures, and political corruption.
Swaggered boisterously. Autumn Wind, baby.
Was it that game in 2018? The one where the kicker botched the kick cuz we had bad grass maintenance. the only time i was happy we had horrible stadium. It came in handy 😂😂
@@chrismess135 lol, you're actually comparing Vegas to Oakland in shittiness, and crime???.... GTFOH!!!!
A lot of people don't realize that Al Davis was not a wealthy man he was not a businessman, the Raiders were all he had, unlike several other owners who made money before they owned their teams. It always made it hard for the Raiders to get their own stadium, Mark Davis had to get a handout from Nevada to get his stadium, once his mom passes because of the estate tax he will very likely have to sell.
Exactly but the value of the team doubled since the move so he might be able to keep it through financing.
I feel bad for Oakland, it makes me sad to think off the memories my Dad has of watching his A’s continuation of failure. My Dad is always the A’s and has watched them since he was a 3 year old kid for me the Avalanche are like the A’s are to my Dad, no matter how hard it gets to be a fan of a team u have to stay the course. My dad saw the whole Moneyball era and Kirk Gibsons walk off game 1 1988 when he was just a 9 year old kid. I’m 17 now I’m an Avs fan for life and My dad is an A’s fan for life. 2 different sports but these 2 teams are similar personally
The raiders moving to Las Vegas actually gives more access to Raiders fans than just being in Oakland since about a quarter of Arizona and at least half of SoCal are Raiders fans. This also adds a new market for them to add more fans. In all actuality it was a pretty smart move especially with Oakland not being as important or as big a city as it was.
I grew up in Northern California. Raised a 49ers fan but as much as we have a cross bay rivalry and give each other shit, there's always been some sympathy for the Raiders fans. And watching their struggles most of my life and then the way they left the city is just sad. And it's sadly not over because fans in Oakland may soon lose their baseball team that has been here for 55 years. To add insult to injury many analysts say that Oakland is a substandard city for professional sports that even the MLS and WNBA doesn't want. It's hard to say what will happen for the future of sport in the OAK but I think it's "glory" days (if there ever were any) are over.
I know those days are gone but I think there were "glory days" in Oakland in the 70s and 80s considering: Oakland won a championship in MLB,NFL and NBA(technically) before SF ever won a ship in each sport. A's and Raiders won before the Giants or 49ers ever did...Warriors won in 75 in Oakland. A's swept Giants in the Battle of the Bay world Series during an earthquake.(classic!)
The last time the Raiders won a playoff game, FivePoints still had hair.
Sorry not sorry
- The Bengals
@@kevinreilly51 the fact they even made the playoffs this season was nothing short of amazing
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 yea I’m surprised that wasn’t mentioned in this video being that Vegas is now a new leaf for the raiders, seems like the raiders always have something against them either bring penalties, the refs, or just poor decisions.
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You know, if Oakland funded a new Raiders stadium in the 90’s instead of funding Mount Davis and Al Davis himself wasn’t so reckless, we’d still have the Oakland Raiders.
Yeah no, you have no idea what's going on...
@@nadaesfacil they spent over 500 million on mount Davis. All it would have taken at the time was another 300 million split between the city and the NFL and it could have worked problem was the As were the primary tenant.
If only they focused on the Raiders instead of the Athletics the Raiders would still be in Northern California to this day either in Oakland or San Jose but at least they would still be in the Bay Area the team that should’ve left should’ve been the Athletics and move them to Portland which doesn’t have a baseball team yet and is dying for one at moment we don’t need 2 baseball teams because we already have the San Francisco Giants who might move down to San Jose in couple of years I still believe we get our Raiders back to Northern California when the NFL give Las Vegas an expansion team.
Around the time that Sacramento had acquired the Kings, the area of Natomas around what is now known as Sleep Train Arena was and still really is wide open. STA sits on an ocean of asphalt north of Downtown Sac off of the I-80/I-5 crossover and had the diggings for a baseball stadium going up behind it. It wouldn't have surprised me that Sac in that era would have put out the money necessary to attract the Raiders.
After the return to Oakland, the city and county (Alameda Co.) sprung for Mt. Davis, the ugly addition onto the western (outfield) section to inflate seat numbers for the NFL to allow the return to stick. But clearly, Mark didn't have the money to build in Oakland and the city has bigger things to spend its money on. He got caught on a hot mic during a Vegas news segment blaming California's state government for not bending the knee for him - Duh. This state has more pressing issues to deal with than Bowl Cut Boy crying poor. Not only did Nevada pony up that money for him, but he also mortgaged the team to get Allegiant built. That team is 1 bad season away from being owned by Bank of America.
Imagine thinking its wanting a governor to "bend the knee" to help out his people and something he taxes heavily. It's mark wanting a few sheckels so he coulda stayed where he loved while Cali wastes billions a year on awful infrastructure plans and construction. Or God forbid their crack pipes and opioid "treatments". Legal ways to get people high on tax dollars. Newsome simps are crazy inept. You're the most braindead of the bunch tho. And your biggest issue in that state is your politics. You drive out workers and money makers cause " herp de derp we got more pressing issues". Usually still helping drug addicts get high and outta jail or coof or now monkeypox
NFL forbids corporations from owning franchises
@@familyguyfan8899 Tell that to whatever cabal of banks Mark Davis floated the Raiders to as collateral to get Allegiant built.
He never wanted to be in Oakland. He bought the domain of Lasvegasriders com in the 00s, never lived in Oakland when he owned the team, and during the last game in Oakland he was asked if he felt any nostalgia of playing in Oakland and he straight up said NO.
He also fired Greg Papa because he said you shouldn’t hire Mike Shanahan out of respect for his father
I still live where I grew up about 10 minutes away from the coliseum… the childhood memories of that place are amazing.
It was always kind of a dump and still is.
Only right I took a piece of the stadium home with me last Raiders game lol
Having been to the old coliseum in the last year the Raiders were there it was absolutely time for a move the bathrooms were literally leaking water all over the place the seats looked 40 years old and were uncomfortable as hell, everything about the coliseum just screamed it hasn't been cared for since the 80's wasn't a very good stadium experience, but the tailgating before hand was awesome and watching my favorite team win by just 7 points against the 0-9 Bengals wasn't exactly fun either
this is an underrated video of yours mr. five points. thanks for breaking down this story in a concise way, i've only ever heard it in bits and pieces.
The Raiders games are still broadcast on CBS in the Bay Area and I knew tons of Raiders fans who didn’t give up simply because they moved to Vegas
Raiders: We're leaving Oakland
Oakland: Fine!
Athletics: We're leaving-
Oakland: *NO NO NO PLEASE STAY, HERE HAVE A STADIUM BY THE PORT. WE DON'T CARE IF THE PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE DOING IT FOR YOU, BABY*
Accurate
@@SY35_Productions Inaccurate.
By all means the A’s were always the team Oakland had the best chance of keeping. It was always known that the Warriors wanted to move to SF but didn’t have the money until recently. The Raiders probably wouldn’t be able to get a stadium taxpayer funded in Oakland or the whole Bay Area as many in the area have said that it doesn’t make sense to have 2 NFL stadiums so close to each other as now teams share stadiums. But the A’s are definitely Oakland’s team. They were not originally an SF team like the Warriors and Raiders and they also stayed the whole time unlike the Warriors and Raiders who both left and came back. Also taxpayers would more likely fund an MLB stadium as its cheaper and is used more often.
The Athletics play 81 home games a year. Whereas, the Raiders only 8 home games. So it's not difficult to do the math. Plus, it's cheaper to build a MLB stadium.
@@fantasticvoyage262 But why would Oakland spring money forward? The only thing the city has done is approve the plans submitted for Howard Terminal, there's still a lot of hurdles to clear. And given the A's performance and personnel decisions, it certainly appears to be sandbagging as both a middle finger to Oakland and buying time for the political sphere in Nevada to stabilize.
As a longtime Raiders fan:
Al Davis was accused of greed because he wanted luxury boxes, which is why he loved to LA. Eventually all the teams got those boxes except for Oakland.
The Colosseum was not a good football stadium - I went to loads of games there. The Oakland Colosseum was a dump.
I haven’t been to Vegas yet. But it’s a ridiculously good destination stadium. The Raiders lose some home field because so many other team fans want to go to see a game in Vegas.
It’s a brilliant move
Meanwhile, Oakland is losing everybody. The politicians in Oakland are also in it for the money and the power and have driven off pro sports teams like other businesses got driven out of the entire state of California.
Will this be a series on defunct franchises?
If you do could you talk about the Kansas City Kings and why they left?
Cincinnati Royals*
2:12 the Los Angeles Raiders actually attempted to build a State of the Art NFL Stadium in both Irwindale and at Hollywood Park in Inglewood.
Football is one of the biggest things I look forward to each year. Being in a cold winter climate, watching NFL is one of the few things to do and enjoy in the fall and winter. I would be beyond devastated if my team ever packed up and left, I feel horrible for any fans that have had to go through this
Obviously you don’t remember Derek Carr sliding in bounds after picking up a 1st down that would have allowed him to run out the clock. Conveniently the ref ruled he slid out of bounds and allowed the jags to get the ball back and the rest is history
Exactly we got screwed big time, that should have been the seal on that win. I remember Derek sliding and throwing up the O with his hands as tribute to Oakland, it should have won us the game...but noooo refs HAD to screw us.
To be fair in that Jacksonville game, The raiders had the lead and slid in bounds after getting a first down. But the ref called Derek Carr out of bounds when he wasn't and they didn't change it. So instead of them getting to run the clock down and get a first down they called him short and out of bounds so they had to punt giving the jaguars the opportunity to win the game.
It's always been the raiders vs nfl smh
This was a great look into the Raiders! Great video!!! =)
Oakland is run down and the government doesn't realize how important building a stadium and fixing up / cleaning up the down town core is very important. If the residents aren't careful I have a feeling the Government will use Gentification to remove residents ....!
There should be a sequel in case the athletics leave as well
Well that aged well
Well the first time, they didn’t actually leave Oakland. They practiced in Oakland and commuted to Los Angeles for home games.
Video idea: Players/coaches that weren't that good in college, but great in the pros.
'The answer to all your questions is 'Money''
-- Jason Whitlock
In 1995 Al Davis was offered a stadium in Inglewood at the same spot as Sofi Stadium. Davis turned it down because he didn’t want to share. He made a mistake moving back to Oakland.
Al Davis also attempted to build the Raiders Stadium in Irwindale, CA in 1987.And the city of Irwindale paid Davis $10 million as a good-faith deposit for a prospective stadium site When the bid failed, Davis kept the non-refundable deposit.
@@WDI2008 yep that’s right and it was the best $10 million Irwindale ever spent because 35 years later we’re still talking about them.
Longtime Raider fan.Recall some great games and athletes that donned the black & silver.Also remember some excellent coaches with the organization.Don't really know much about Mark Davis,however when I see his image sporting that little pumpkin pie haircut I'm reminded of Lloyd Christmas.
As a long time Raiders fan it was sad to see them leave Oakland but the Vegas moved made so much sense and that stadium is awesome.
I was a season ticket member from 2016 to 2018 (3 seasons) I went to my first game in 2015 for the second game of the season vs Baltimore, the week before that game the Raiders were slaughtered at home by the Cincinnati Bengals. The offense didn’t even get past the 50 yard line until the late 3rd quarter. By then it was too late as the bengals were outscoring the Raiders by 20+ points, Derek Carr had injured his thumb trying to stiff-arm a defender.
The next two seasons were great. Being there for the 2016 run was something special, especially since I haven’t seen the Raiders in the playoffs since I was 5 and I wasn’t even a fan at the time but my relatives were huge fans so I guess they’re part of the reason why I became a fan.
Still, the coliseum was a shithole. No doubt about it. It was a special shithole with lots of crazy memories and energy within its walls and stands. It was a shame to see the team go but hey, they moved to a real life Death Star in the party capital of the world. They still play on natural grass too which I love because turf doesn’t feel real enough
Raiders didn’t even own any rights to the land & stadium, and yet the city expected Davis to foot the bill for a new facility. 🤦♂️
I've been a Raiders fan since 1980. My take, no city wanted to give the Raiders a new stadium except when Las Vegas step in. It only 54 years but they finally got a new stadium. My personal feelings are, to hell with Oakland and Los Angeles. They had their chance and they blew it.
Al Davis had a deal with Inglewood. He walked out of the deal because he had to take in a second team. Al had his chance in LA and blew it
@@1999bill1999 You were there???
@@justinkase454 it was reported publicly. Al had a deal at the site of SoFi Stadium. He walked away from it. His ego got in the way and killed off the opportunity of the Raiders being in LA indefinitely
Moving to Vegas was and is a mistake. Their biggest fanbase will always be in Los Angeles. There are more Raider fans at SoFi Stadium than Allegiant Stadium where it's mostly made up of fans of the visiting teams such as the Kansas City Chiefs.
@@sjdrifter72 But the Rams ownership knew the Raiders were more popular and they didn't want the Raiders there. Apparently, the Rams were the lead negotiating team
I was big Charlotte Hornets fan from their first day of existence in 1987. When they skipped town to New Orleans after the owners repeatedly lied about not moving I was pissed. I haven't watched an NBA game since. I know the Hornets are back but that experience soured me on pro sports in general. Only watch college now.
Can you please do this idea with the chargers leaving San Diego?
Thank you for posting the video.
Al Davis was promised luxury suites at the LA Coliseum for many years. Each year the Coliseum Committee balked at the idea. When proposed deals in Inglewood and Irwindale failed Davis was welcomed back with open arms to Oakland
And they have left Oakland again.
Why did the Raiders leave Oakland twice? It's a father-like-son thing! Like his dad, Mark put his own interests ahead of the fans and league! Al had a great thing going in Oakland but then got greedy and bailed out! Then Mark decided not to find someone with an interest in keeping Oakland where they are and also bailed!
we finally saw the light at the end of the tunnel in 2016 ...... then they broke Carrs leg and the tunnel sucked us back in 😭
Mark Davis never came to the table with a stadium plan. The plan you showed was called Colosseum City done by a bunch of Oakland investors.
Kroenke was trying to move to LA prior to the Raiders and Chargers tried the Carson deal, not the other way around.
Definitely not Oakland Raiders related but, no joke, that Liquid IV stuff works. My mom introduced me to it, and now I always drink it before a run lol!
The raiders didn’t fail in Oakland, Oakland failed the raiders.
Same with the A's.
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@@araucanoraptorargentinus3973it was the A'ss who blocked Mark Davis' plan to rebuild the Colloseum from the ground up.
Should've changed their name to the L's
Still hurts
False
I miss the Oakland Raiders
When you have Oakland, the city that is clueless on how to straighten up itself from crimes and economic downturns, and the Raiders, a proud franchise (this is a big compliment from the Broncos fan who hate the Raiders) that have not won a single playoff game since the fateful SB 37 (made to the playoff twice out of 19 seasons after 2002 season), it is difficult for fans in Oakland to continue to have the team in your city. You already lost the Raiders and Warriors (Oracle Arena used to be in Oakland but the Warriors moved to a new arena in San Francisco), and the remaining one is not a guarantee, ultimately it is more on the city of Oakland to get more blame.
TOO SOON FIVEPOINTS!!
That oakland coliseum video still haunts the majority of us
Las Vegas is making big brain moves. One of the most efficient cities in the world in terms of water use and they managed to fund a brand new stadium by making out of towners foot the bill. Also just imagine if Al Davis owned the Kings and they had to wear black and silver.
Even the millions spent in road improvements near the stadium were already planned and just got bumped up a couple years.
TYhey are far from the first city to institute restaurant and hotel taxes to fund a stadium. It wasn't a novel idea at all.
@@chriskay1449 We will be the first to turn a profit though. Believe that.
@@Adamdidit No you won't because some of them already did turn a profit.
@@chriskay1449 Which ones? I've only ever heard and read that none of them do and never seen anything saying otherwise. And attempting to search out only led me to a bunch of articles that had a suspicious high amount of St. Louis but none saying the name of one that profitted.
my first football game to see on tv was super bowl 15 when everyone picked the eagles I was hooked! Games were cheap the year before they drafted jamarcus! I sat on mount davis in the rain. I wore silver and black days the 49ers played in super bowls! my heart was broken when they moved!
City could not really do anything because the A’s are the primary tenant so they could not build anything new site was too small for another building. The As will be in Vegas next year.
We had to leave oakland, the city didn’t want to give us a new stadium, the colosseum was from the 60s and we shared it with the A’s (we were the last hybrid stadium in NFL and MLB)
Why should a city pay to build a stadium for a billionaire? Simple answer - they should not
@@schaperart simple answer, mark davis is not a billionaire, also a team with a new and nice stadium would bring in significantly more value to the cities economy
@@559austin5 Im not a billionaire either - should the city pay to build a venue for me to run my private business? Or should I as a business owner be responsible to pay the costs needed to run my company myself?
Also every economic study ever done shows the municipalities never get back in revenue the pie in sky bs estimates the owners pay for - thats bs - every comminity that has paid public money to build a stadium for a private team has come out on the losing end - take out the emotion and use common sense - public money should not be used to pay for a privately owned stadium
@@schaperart is your private business a major sports league that while bring in millions of dollars and value to the city economy? if not then no they shouldn’t
@@schaperart regardless of your stance on the city paying for a stadium or not, the owner of the business has the right to leave the city if he feels he can’t get what he wants there
I love that upper deck! Especially playing MLB videogames in oakland
I love the Raiders and will always cherish their legacy but I also appreciate highlighting the not-so-good history of the team. It gives a complete picture of the franchise. Thanks for the vid, Five!
Still not mentally ready to watch this video yet but I promise I’ll be back here one dat whether I like it or not
Being from St. Louis i understand the frustration of Oakland fans. It is all about stadium building. In 1988 the Cardinals left for Arizona when owner Bill Bidwill mistakenly thought Arizona was going to rigtt away fund and buildi a new stadium there but it took 18 years so they played in a college football stadium. The separate St. Louis city and county governemnt fought over the location of a new football stadium that resulted in no new stadium. Attendance was not an issue. St. Louis did approve funding for a new football stadium for the Rams (actually twice) but it was through the local court they were able to do so the second time without the need for any voiing by residents for public funding that would have failed otherwise but was deemed to be tax based on sales purchases so was somewaht controverial. St. Louis attendance had dwindled as soon as the local media annouced that Stan Kroenke purchased the land for SOFI years prior so depsite denials many knew it was over. The St. Louis region made a great effort though to fund the new stadium and be prepared for groundgreaking with the new riverfront stadium plans shown to all by the local media making for great excitement but their only chance was through the NFL relocation by-laws set up to protect small market cities. Also, Kroenke needed to fund the portion in common with how most NFL stadiums have been built in the past so was not all to be funded by St. Louis. As uncovered during the St. Louis lawsuit of the NFL, it was the signing of an Indemnification agreemnt by Stan Kroenke that swayed the NFL owners to approve the Kroenke move to the large market of L.A.. Roger Goodell and the NFL got their wish of an NFL owner wealthy enough to build in the L.A. market, but the St. Louis lawsuit uncovered so much that would not hve been known for certain otherwise.
I hope the A’s get to Stay in Oakland.
I wished they get rid of Mount Davis it doesn’t need to be there anymore
The Sacramento Raiders? Its like something from some alternate universe on a sci-fi TV show lol. It does sound good though. Purely phonetically lol
grew up around the area and all my first sports games were at the colosseum (was always cheaper until recently), never was an A’s or raiders fan, but it hurts me to see what’s happening to a lot of diehard fans around here. there’s a good support system for the raiders and a’s here, ownership really hasn’t given them much to clamor about for 3 decades tho. vegas makes perfect sense, but it’s sad to see the first ever sports town i experienced get speed ran out of sports within a 5 yr span. will always have a soft spot for oracle and the colosseum, even if they are dumps
I pray every night to the football gods that someday the Raiders go back to Oakland and the Chargers go back to San Diego.
The Raiders left LA because. When they move from Oakland to La they were promised new luxury boxes in the Coliseum. La renege on that deal. Northridge Quake comes and damaged the Colosseum. City of La spends 100 million dollars on epoxy to fix it instead of giving the stadium a new facelift. Then Al Davis wanted to build a stadium in Inglewood in the exact same spot where Sofi stadium is. The NFL was forcing the Raiders to share their stadium with the Rams. Al Davis said no so he moved the team back to Oakland. It was not the fans fault. If you ask me it was Nate Holden's fault.
The stadium was a dump,it can't be surprising that they moved.
And the Raiders started in San Francisco, where they played in 1960 and 1961, at Kezar Stadium and Candlestick Park. Most Raider fans don't know that, or won't admit it, and also don't know that the team in its first three years wore black and gold, not silver. I noticed in 2010 that the Raiders did not wear their uniforms from that time as other teams did of their original uniforms when the AFL started in 1960. It's as though the Raiders didn't exist until Al Davis got control of the team, got rid of the gold with silver, becoming coach in 1963 and taking the team away from its original owners, Ed McGah and Chet Soda
this is a wild story overall. its also wild that at half a billion Davis is the lowest net worth out of all the owners its mind boggling to say that.
I didn’t know the history and clicked on this cause I was curious why the Raiders moved to LA and back. It didn’t dawn on me the team has been under the same ownership, Al and Mark. Makes me feel bad for the fans!
Mark Davis looks like Rowley Jefferson.
Dont matter if its LA,LV or OAK. Raiders get love. Our fanbase transcends one city. I genuinely believe we can move to any city without a established team and do great. We havent been in LA for almost 30 years and still run the city. Same with OAK. The teams fanbase is something else
Al Davis tried to build a new stadium in Irwindale , 16 miles east of downtown LA and actually owned the land before moving back to Oakland in 95. He sued the NFL and had number lawsuits against the NFL at this time as wellz
it seemed like Al sued the NFL once a day for many years... and the crazy thing was that the Raiders fanbase backed him up
Should have stayed in LA
@@otaviofrn_adv primarily because he really was the embodiment of The Raiders " Just Win Baby "
You know what that saying means ? It means idc how you do it just win the damn game it's so simple but so Powerful
Because Oakland sucks and has too many trashy people and gangs causing all manner of problems. It wasn't getting better any time soon and the organization was smart to try something new...
Las Vegas has plenty of problems too but at least its fun if you have the money. It's a huge step in the right direction for the franchise. The new stadium looks awesome and its going to be an amazing experience when the Raiders eventually win a Super Bowl there one day.
California's income tax was reason enough to say adios
....Where are my manners?....awesome video!!
Great video 5Points. The big loser here are the Oakland residents and fans who had to go through the heartbreak of losing their team twice. It's also very hard to argue the logic for the Raiders moving and I'm sad to say the Athletics might be joining them in Vegas and it's a shame the powers that be in Oakland and Alameda county along with Athletics can't solidify a stadium deal now for the A's because again with the Warriors crossing the bridge and the Raiders moving to Vegas and now the great baseball fans and residents are going to lose their last team!
As someone from the Bay Area, I can say that the Raiders were popular in LA than they were in the Bay Area. Plus when they came back, they made the Coliseum (an already sub-par stadium) into a terrible stadium, and they ended up tarping off Mt. Davis in later years.
They weren’t popular in LA. They couldn’t sell out games and the LA Coliseum was always tarped up
As a lifelong Raider fan and someone who lived in the Bay Area for over 30 years, Oakland broke a lot of promises they made to get them back. When everything was done, they moved to LV for economic reasons, period. After playing for decades in one of the worst stadiums in the NFL, I'm glad they're in an area where they can thrive and since I no longer live in the area it's still just a plane ticket away.
RNFL!
I was at that game - walking down the tunnel to BART was so sad
Heavy Gratitude
Remember when they had a Monday night win streak of like 31-1?
As a former Raiders fan you just have to accept moving around as Raider tradition. The Raiders have always been the most nomadic team in sports.
World wide baby
That’s why it’s the only nation.
Not a raiders fan but they're my third team. Isn't Las Vegas closer to more than half of their fanbase?
@@kimyona9746 Yeah, it's now in the heart of the west coast. Easy access and fast time to get there for anyone. I live in Arizona, had season tickets to the Oakland stadium, it sucked driving 7 hrs to get to Oak. Now I'm 3 hours away from the stadium. The move to Vegas benefited me. It's so much easier to get to Las Vegas from Arizona than from California. For Oakland it's 4 hrs to get there. And for los Angeles fans 4 also.
@@nadaesfacil yeah i used to live in az. I live in socal now. In socal it's raider territory. Rams are basically half of LA and the old people that were Rams fans before they went to St. Louis. When I went to visit Arizona again I saw about like a quarter to a third of the people there are Raiders fans from what I saw.
It's forgotten that the reason Al Davis gave up on Marcus Allen was his 1989 holdout; a player was dead to Davis if they held out (same thing happened to Steve Beuerlein; holdouts were few with the Raiders, players were paid).
no , marcus was in the doghouse because he was sleeping with teammates wives !
1. ownership
2. the city they play in.
3.no sense of urgency.
4. bad luck
Oh shit will keys wrote this too? What a homie hopper!
(Writing partner for Brandon perna "that's good sports" for those that don't know)
I remember once upon a time that Oakland was named one of the worst city for professional sports franchise by ESPN. Back then the other cities were Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, and Atlanta.
For some reason as much as I hate relocating teams especially to cities that already have a team (LA Chargers), I honestly love this relocation as I hated how the Bay Area had two teams as there was already 4 teams in California and it was good that an entire state good a new pro team in Nevada. Plus Vegas really fits the Raiders brand as their both outlaws and rebellious.
fire video like always but i didn't need to be dunked on for enjoying the slots in Vegas Lol
Do a video on why the Chargers left San Diageo.
0:26 the face of pure concern
Good question why did the raiders leave ??? Poor oakland
Great video
RIP Pro Football being played on a baseball diamond.
Let's be real, chances are, much of those Oakland fans probably moved to Vegas anyway because California to Vegas is actually a trending thing anyway
Hope they're rich because the price of Raiders tickets is outrageous.
@@neutralsportsfan17 I'm sure they're saving money from the outrageous income tax and other random taxes that California has and also their outrageous real estate prices
Funny how Al wanted to build that new stadium and the NFL said no...then they let the another team build a stadium there.
The NFL just didn't want the Raiders to be in LA. LA's fan base was violent as all hell. They made Oakland's fanbase look like choir boys.
As a Northern Californian I'm glad to see them go. The Raiders have a toxic fandom. Good riddance.
I will be sad to see the A's go tho 😢
Why is it always California city’s? I know las angeles is just a bigger city with a huge market, but just like Oakland, the San Diego area is slowly losing its teams. I hope the padres do something amazing this year to keep Pro Sports there
The Padres own 30% of Petco Park. They are effectively joined at the hip to the city. The Chargers didn't own any of Qualcomm and frankly have given up a lot of control just to be "valued" higher for being in LA as opposed to SD. Why would San Diego bend over backwards for ownership that didn't put in any skin?
Also California is a Baseball and Basketball state. Football is the 3rd. I live in California. I know. Also Las Vegas was the perfect place to move because it's actually more accessible to more of their fans than Oakland is.
I’m devastated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Jags tried to give that game to the Raiders, but OAK refused to take the win. Hell, even I wanted OAK to win that game, so they could've went out with a last hurrah, and we would've gotten a better draft pick.
Probably because Oakland wouldn't give him a better stadium than Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum....Know that was one of the reasons that the Browns left for Baltimore in '95......