Part of Dokolo was initially for the Kumam but they didn't value land and the Lango came and bought a lot of land. But their district is a mixture of both Lango and Kumam Living together in harmony.@@KPtravels001
The Abawanga currently speak the Luhya language & practice the luhya customs & traditions.From history,the Abawanga were actually luos who settled among the bantus during migration.We have Wanga sub-clans in luo but we don't classify the abawanga as luos.It's the same case with the Kumam.Having adopted the Luo language & culture,they are definitely a Luo group now regardless of their orijin.
Yes. It's very interesting because there are different versions to their existence. So claim that it's through assimilation while some fronts intermarriages.
It is just like us Jogirango People from Suna-Migori. We originated from the Bantu but speak 100% Luo and practice Luo culture. Our mothers, grandmothers, great grandmothers have always been Luo. We're Luo the language of our mothers and fathers.
How are jogirango related to Bantus? . Most of the Jogirango are jo kogeta or Jomageta of Girango division in Tanzania.. KOgetta people are mostly original Luo.
The suba and bantu assimilation I think is widely misunderstood. Physically and phenotypically the Subas mostly have the distinctive look of luo people. They may have bantu origins yes but they are today 100% luos in every sense.
@@Okwash1 And they look like any other luo. If they were not famous and other Kenyan were to guess their tribe they would immediately recognize them as luo from their physical appearance and character .
The Luo groups from Acoli were to a very large extent responsible for tge transmission of Luo language . In fact a big part ofv karamojong in in kotido etc were incorporated into luo language through the labwor and Acoli from puranga
@odochokee9856 kong inen gin ma anongo eno ki bot nyer moni i the luo online. Ngat ma tye Lango en aye okuro kome tye ka bwolo lwak. Meno aye kit ma gilwenyo kwede i komwa. An acoyo bote ni, In komi yot ko. Nen calo in bene pe Anywalli Acoli. Kenya Luo/Lwo gilwongo jo pa ni jo ka. Labolle jo pa Owiny gin lwongo ni jo ka Owiny. In i keto Langi ni jo ma i Sudan ni gin Luo/Lwo? I wish you could shut up and be quiet you are bringing confusion especially to young generations. Langi are not Luo/Lwo and there are elders who still know the original Lango language upto today. Reply The Luo Online · @TheLuoOnline 15 hours ago Assimilation. Reply @Mrpwocber @Mrpwocber 1 hour ago @TheLuoOnline They are not Luo/Lwo. You speak English and have no confidence addressing people in your language, does that mean you as an assimilated man is now an English man? They are not ethnically Luo/Lwo so do not confuse the public. In nen calo in i Lango in pe kom Acoli bene kit ma alubo kwede ki in. The Luo Online Reply @TheLuoOnline @TheLuoOnline 1 hour ago @Mrpwocber an abedo Lango. Wek kubed kiti enu ladit nongo bene pe rac. Apwoyo 🤝
@@KPtravels001 How are you Peter, we heard there are floods in Kenya? What can people do to assist brothers and sisters in Kenya? That is what we are here for, to support the Luo groups, your problems should be shared by other Luo groups. Please post the situation and let us know. Apwoyo.
@@KPtravels001 what is the email please? if possible on your videos can you link your account no, sort codes, name on the account and email for support on all your videos. Apwoyo.
Thanks so much Kp, though you still have alot to research on Kumam, I believe Kumams are LUO. you now need to research on ANYWAA or ANYAUK luo tribe in Ethiopia if there is no any futher migration team from their side after their settlement in Quambela region. Kumam and Lango could be tressed from that side.
The overall tribe is Acholi (meaning black), Luo is the Language (also meaning to follow - the tribe that followed the river). Like the Luo followed the trying to find the source of the Nile at the same time finding human food and water and grass for the animals.
All groups who have migrated to the Great Lakes have had some form of assimilation, including the Kenyan and Ugandan luo respectively. The only major difference is some have been assimilated more than others. The Kenyan luo today is not 100% the one that left Sudan.
I have a hypothesis that connects the Kuman & Lango, Luo, and Iteso, Atekere origin. It is not by mistake the Kuman exist between the Iteso and the Lango, and that the Lango are Ateker people that connect with the Acholi Luo.
Kumam, and Lango are originally not Luo. Assimilation is a legit word . let us talk about that. Just like Abasuba call themselves Luo even though they originally are not, but through assimilation. Let us be real. I do understand him though through Kenyan Luo its complicated
@@KPtravels001 The Luo-Langi and Luo-Kumam are assimilated Luo similar to how Banyarwanda tutsi (who were originally pastoralists with Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan/Nilo-Cushitic and Nilo-Hamitic DNA similar to that found among the Maasai of Kenya, Tanzania and Oromo of Ethiopia ) assimilated into Banyarwanda hutu Niger-Congo Bantu DNA .
@@KPtravels001 Today a typical Banyarwanda has pre-dominant Niger-Congo Bantu DNA and variations of Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan/Nilo-Cushitic DNA . The height distinction among some Banyarwanda is typically associated with historical Banyarwanda tutsi Nilotic extraction . Nilotic Sudanic Dinka ,Luo, Nuer tallest groups in the world . Bantu Pygmie Congo shortest groups in the world . The assimilation was cultural, linguistic and through intermarriage over centuries .
Obama is an admixture of Luo and Irish ethnically , Black/African and White/European racially and Kenyan/American by Nationality . In Kenya just like America by constitution children born of Kenyan Parents either father or mother are Kenyan by default and can acquire nationality same with America . Nationality is more fluid than race or ethnicity .
Lango luoness should be traced from ethiopia with the Anuak people.... But what confuses me is that there is lango in uganda and Sudan but both speaks different languages
@@KPtravels001 There is lango in south Sudan living in the ikotos county area of Eastern equatorial bordering Uganda to the south... But they speak a different language from the lango of Uganda. Me as a lango of Uganda I can't understand anything.....
It goes without argument that Kumam are comparable to children adopted by a non biological parent. Thus the question that arises is : should there be an ultimate Luo traditional ceremony of pronouncing Kumam as Luo or otherwise?
@odochokee9856 Wapeke ki tekwaro macalo meno me lokko kaka pa dano me doko Luo/Lwo dok myero pe kicak kit tim meno kulu. In ineno i Newvision ug (kombeddi dong kiruco) ma won nyaci Odur kimako calle ki muduku. En oloko but 7 ni eye me ribbo Kumam, Langi, Teso, Koromojong jo Ateker ducu ki lumony pa 7 wek gulweny i kom "the common enemy" ma kiketo wan ducu ni wan lumone pa gin jo Ateker. Ci 7 omiyo dul muduko bote. Joni ngeyo maber ni gin pe giLwo dok leb ma giloko ni girubo aruba ki leb Ateker, myero kulu pe kiwac ni leb Kumam ki leb Lango leb Lwo atir kun leb Teso bene tye iiye. Meno pe leb Lwo. Ka gin giwaco ni gin giLwo kara me ummo wangwa wek wabed ata.
Not stating an opinion. But listen to that greeting, and the names of majority of the speakers and judge for yourself. I'll give a parallel: although only 26% of modern English vocabulary is Germanic, it has not undermined its classification as a Germanic language.
@@KPtravels001 I like where you're headed ☺️ Any time someone calls me Luo because of my dark complexion, I ask them to name for me just one other Luo name that starts with 'E'. It ends the debate there and then.
@@KPtravels001 I really hope one day you can organise one big event bringing together all these close brothers the Luo and Ateker who seem determined to 'steal' brothers from each other.
@@atticusnow131 You are right, I hope they will listen to you. The foolishness I find in here is when people who's ethnic origin is clearly known, and their own elders are saying they are not Luo but speak mixture of Luo dialects or read a Luo bible, then some people trying hard to group them as Luo/Lwo, why? What is wrong with being Ateker?
@SoloVanny You only know lango to be luo, no Lango are Ateker just like Kumam therefore even your knowledge is still short. Alur/Jonam, Padola, Acoli, possicly Turi are Luo in Uganda.
@@KPtravels001 Amoti omego. The Thur or Tur people are in Abim discrict Northern Uganda, some are in South Sudan aka Thuri people -same group. The one in Uganda came from Bar el Gazel also. Please search online. They are listed as Luo both in SSudan and Uganda. I am yet to find out more about this group as well. Apwoyo.
@Mrpwocber i am lango. The many books I have read as always talked about lango and Kumam to be ateker. However we were luonised. And this took place thousand years ago....
Kumam were affected by the Luo migration and adopted Luo . Of course kumam is intelligible with Kenya Luo. But kumam Luo dialect seems to have originated through Lango ,Paluo, Acoli, Labwor
The Kumam question is becoming ever so clear. Most Kumam people are aware of their origin ( Eastern Ethiopia with the Iteso, Lango) so they belong to Ateker group. They have however been at least 89% assimilated by the Lango who are almost 100% been assimilated by the luo Acholi. Some Kumam people are finding it difficult accepting this assimilation but it is difficult when they have lost their customers/practices and language. In reality the Kumam are closer to the Langi who are now Luos than Iteso. Kumam people deserve to accept assimilation and settle for their future generations sake. The senior minister is clear and sober the Kumam have been Luos for hundreds of years.
The Kuman neighbouring Lango are more Luonised. Those neighbouring Teso are more Tesonised. They are more integrated.
This is good info. Thanks. I need to listen to both sides of the story.
A very wise minister indeed. I come from Dokolo , Lango . We get along very well with Kumams. Opwoyo bino pacu.
I actually thought Dokolo was a KUMAM region. Apwoyo ba
Part of Dokolo was initially for the Kumam but they didn't value land and the Lango came and bought a lot of land. But their district is a mixture of both Lango and Kumam Living together in harmony.@@KPtravels001
Luo are every where brother am the Luo of south Sudan guys am happy to hear conversation
I'll soon be in South Sudan. Which luo to be precise?
erokamano for information..we like kuon kod rech... traditional food like alot boo kod osuga/akeyo..wan aciel,kwaro aciel.
The Abawanga currently speak the Luhya language & practice the luhya customs & traditions.From history,the Abawanga were actually luos who settled among the bantus during migration.We have Wanga sub-clans in luo but we don't classify the abawanga as luos.It's the same case with the Kumam.Having adopted the Luo language & culture,they are definitely a Luo group now regardless of their orijin.
wow--what a beautiful analogy! I am in total concurrence! God bless u!
Every thing you do ,your culture, nd how you speak you guys belong to LUO
These people are assimilated to Luo because i can get 80% of Kumam language. They may be Iteker by origin but they are now Luo speaking language.
Yes. It's very interesting because there are different versions to their existence. So claim that it's through assimilation while some fronts intermarriages.
It is just like us Jogirango People from Suna-Migori. We originated from the Bantu but speak 100% Luo and practice Luo culture. Our mothers, grandmothers, great grandmothers have always been Luo. We're Luo the language of our mothers and fathers.
beautiful explanation! this sums it up all!
How are jogirango related to Bantus? . Most of the Jogirango are jo kogeta or Jomageta of Girango division in Tanzania.. KOgetta people are mostly original Luo.
The suba and bantu assimilation I think is widely misunderstood. Physically and phenotypically the Subas mostly have the distinctive look of luo people. They may have bantu origins yes but they are today 100% luos in every sense.
@cls4786 Absolutely......Look at the Late Kenyan mp/Minister Otieno Kajwang who is Suba or Amilo Gesa Gesa. They are very proud Luos with Suba origin.
@@Okwash1 And they look like any other luo. If they were not famous and other Kenyan were to guess their tribe they would immediately recognize them as luo from their physical appearance and character .
The Luo groups from Acoli were to a very large extent responsible for tge transmission of Luo language . In fact a big part ofv karamojong in in kotido etc were incorporated into luo language through the labwor and Acoli from puranga
@odochokee9856 kong inen gin ma anongo eno ki bot nyer moni i the luo online. Ngat ma tye Lango en aye okuro kome tye ka bwolo lwak. Meno aye kit ma gilwenyo kwede i komwa.
An acoyo bote ni, In komi yot ko. Nen calo in bene pe Anywalli Acoli. Kenya Luo/Lwo gilwongo jo pa ni jo ka. Labolle jo pa Owiny gin lwongo ni jo ka Owiny. In i keto Langi ni jo ma i Sudan ni gin Luo/Lwo? I wish you could shut up and be quiet you are bringing confusion especially to young generations. Langi are not Luo/Lwo and there are elders who still know the original Lango language upto today.
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@TheLuoOnline They are not Luo/Lwo. You speak English and have no confidence addressing people in your language, does that mean you as an assimilated man is now an English man? They are not ethnically Luo/Lwo so do not confuse the public. In nen calo in i Lango in pe kom Acoli bene kit ma alubo kwede ki in.
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@Mrpwocber an abedo Lango. Wek kubed kiti enu ladit nongo bene pe rac. Apwoyo 🤝
I am impressed by these kumam people who now want join the Luo community. Let's welcome them
Yeah. But it's still a tough debate. Half feel they are luo and half feel they are Ateker.
@@KPtravels001 How are you Peter, we heard there are floods in Kenya? What can people do to assist brothers and sisters in Kenya? That is what we are here for, to support the Luo groups, your problems should be shared by other Luo groups. Please post the situation and let us know. Apwoyo.
@@Mrpwocber send me a private message/email.
@@KPtravels001 what is the email please? if possible on your videos can you link your account no, sort codes, name on the account and email for support on all your videos. Apwoyo.
Thanks so much Kp, though you still have alot to research on Kumam, I believe Kumams are LUO. you now need to research on ANYWAA or ANYAUK luo tribe in Ethiopia if there is no any futher migration team from their side after their settlement in Quambela region. Kumam and Lango could be tressed from that side.
Well, I already did something about the Anyaa of Ethiopia. I was in Gambella [Ethiopia] in May this year [2023].
Check out the Anywaa videos
Lango got their Luo language from Acoli. Anyuak dialect is almost completely identical with Acoli in grammar as well as vocabulary
The people gathered have not Kumam half have Lango accents.
Well, if they say they are then they are.
I had this forum in Kaberamaido which is a Kumam area.
The overall tribe is Acholi (meaning black), Luo is the Language (also meaning to follow - the tribe that followed the river). Like the Luo followed the trying to find the source of the Nile at the same time finding human food and water and grass for the animals.
All groups who have migrated to the Great Lakes have had some form of assimilation, including the Kenyan and Ugandan luo respectively. The only major difference is some have been assimilated more than others. The Kenyan luo today is not 100% the one that left Sudan.
I agree with you. Kenya and Tanzania luos have given in to some cultural, linguistic and genetical influences from their neighbouring bantu groups.
@@KPtravels001and also the Kalenjin Nilo Hamites as well because they are neighbors with Luos
Etwomu was quite clear unlike those young girls who miserably failed in their articulation
Yeah, the girls were very brief. Probably shy.
Even the name ateker is already luo language
Ateker is not a Luo language it is a different ethnic group. Make your search before you comment.
you are doing good work my brother keep it up
❤🎉
Thank you so much. I try my best to give the best.
I have a hypothesis that connects the Kuman & Lango, Luo, and Iteso, Atekere origin. It is not by mistake the Kuman exist between the Iteso and the Lango, and that the Lango are Ateker people that connect with the Acholi Luo.
Did you watch the Kumam Documentary? It's all explained in the documentary
The deputy minister as a Lango accents and Acholi lol
Maybe it's not easy to draw a line between Lango and Kumam. They overlap.
The people that man heard speaking while he was in Ethiopia were probably Anywaa Luo
I highly suspect this as well. I think those were the Anywaa.
Remember luo was there in Ethiopia also
The Anywaa are in Gambella, Ethiopia.
For sure kumam nyai
Kumam, and Lango are originally not Luo. Assimilation is a legit word . let us talk about that. Just like Abasuba call themselves Luo even though they originally are not, but through assimilation. Let us be real. I do understand him though through Kenyan Luo its complicated
Assimilation sounds perfect. However, there's also some aspect of intermarriages bringing blood mixing into the picture.
True
@@KPtravels001 The Luo-Langi and Luo-Kumam are assimilated Luo similar to how Banyarwanda tutsi (who were originally pastoralists with Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan/Nilo-Cushitic and Nilo-Hamitic DNA similar to that found among the Maasai of Kenya, Tanzania and Oromo of Ethiopia ) assimilated into Banyarwanda hutu Niger-Congo Bantu DNA .
@@KPtravels001 Today a typical Banyarwanda has pre-dominant Niger-Congo Bantu DNA and variations of Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan/Nilo-Cushitic DNA . The height distinction among some Banyarwanda is typically associated with historical Banyarwanda tutsi Nilotic extraction .
Nilotic Sudanic Dinka ,Luo, Nuer tallest groups in the world . Bantu Pygmie Congo shortest groups in the world .
The assimilation was cultural, linguistic and through intermarriage over centuries .
Obama is an admixture of Luo and Irish ethnically , Black/African and White/European racially and Kenyan/American by Nationality .
In Kenya just like America by constitution children born of Kenyan Parents either father or mother are Kenyan by default and can acquire nationality same with America .
Nationality is more fluid than race or ethnicity .
This is Luo tribe
Well, half of them disagree
Thz are luo's original,is only that they don't want to accept
They are not Luo they are Ateker by origin.
They are Ateker by origin but assimilated into luo and in some cases intermarriages thus mixed blood.
Lango luoness should be traced from ethiopia with the Anuak people....
But what confuses me is that there is lango in uganda and Sudan but both speaks different languages
I didn't know there's Lango in South Sudan.
@@KPtravels001 There is lango in south Sudan living in the ikotos county area of Eastern equatorial bordering Uganda to the south...
But they speak a different language from the lango of Uganda. Me as a lango of Uganda I can't understand anything.....
@@acucmoses9284😂 Am convinced LANGO is not a tribe but a reference by Luo speaking neighbors. Tim 'langolango'
The minister understand this issue clearly,kuman has lost their traditions and practices and even their language,Kuman is luo
It goes without argument that Kumam are comparable to children adopted by a non biological parent. Thus the question that arises is : should there be an ultimate Luo traditional ceremony of pronouncing Kumam as Luo or otherwise?
Yeah, it's an identity crisis. There's confusion even among the Kumam on whether to go the luo way or the Ateker way.
@odochokee9856 Wapeke ki tekwaro macalo meno me lokko kaka pa dano me doko Luo/Lwo dok myero pe kicak kit tim meno kulu. In ineno i Newvision ug (kombeddi dong kiruco) ma won nyaci Odur kimako calle ki muduku. En oloko but 7 ni eye me ribbo Kumam, Langi, Teso, Koromojong jo Ateker ducu ki lumony pa 7 wek gulweny i kom "the common enemy" ma kiketo wan ducu ni wan lumone pa gin jo Ateker. Ci 7 omiyo dul muduko bote. Joni ngeyo maber ni gin pe giLwo dok leb ma giloko ni girubo aruba ki leb Ateker, myero kulu pe kiwac ni leb Kumam ki leb Lango leb Lwo atir kun leb Teso bene tye iiye. Meno pe leb Lwo. Ka gin giwaco ni gin giLwo kara me ummo wangwa wek wabed ata.
The confusion is about migration route. These people are forgetting that there are Luo in Ethiopia through Anywaa. Lango must be through Anywaa.
I thought so too. The Ethiopian claim could be the Anywaa.
They are greeting by p r pronouncing the tribe first. Like the Pokot of Kenya, their names must start with P like P'gisio
But ateso should help diz people I know ateso have the record of there brothers
How should they be helped?
Not stating an opinion. But listen to that greeting, and the names of majority of the speakers and judge for yourself. I'll give a parallel: although only 26% of modern English vocabulary is Germanic, it has not undermined its classification as a Germanic language.
Yes, the names start with "E"
@@KPtravels001 I like where you're headed ☺️ Any time someone calls me Luo because of my dark complexion, I ask them to name for me just one other Luo name that starts with 'E'. It ends the debate there and then.
@@KPtravels001 I really hope one day you can organise one big event bringing together all these close brothers the Luo and Ateker who seem determined to 'steal' brothers from each other.
Cultures can be eroded.
The course of migration ought to be well annalysed.
Indeed a paradox.
The Kumam are caught between 2 cultures. Their story is very interesting.
Ladies voted that they belong to Ateker, men have crossed over, they are Luos or not decided.
They are hanging on the balance.
Kumam are not Luos. Just because I speak English and drink Tea, doesn't make me an Englishman.
Is a black American an American?
The difference is, American is a nationality, LUO is an ETHNICITY. Anyone can become an American, but one has to be BORN a LUO to be LUO.@@DingaOmondi
@@atticusnow131 You are right, I hope they will listen to you. The foolishness I find in here is when people who's ethnic origin is clearly known, and their own elders are saying they are not Luo but speak mixture of Luo dialects or read a Luo bible, then some people trying hard to group them as Luo/Lwo, why? What is wrong with being Ateker?
"Some people are trying hard to group them as luo?" Who's that?
Didn't you hear them say it themselves?
No one beg kumam to belong to luos in northern uganda we only know lango, acholi, and alur
Be nice 😂
@SoloVanny You only know lango to be luo, no Lango are Ateker just like Kumam therefore even your knowledge is still short. Alur/Jonam, Padola, Acoli, possicly Turi are Luo in Uganda.
@@Mrpwocber I've never heard of the Turi. Could you shed more light?
@@KPtravels001 Amoti omego. The Thur or Tur people are in Abim discrict Northern Uganda, some are in South Sudan aka Thuri people -same group. The one in Uganda came from Bar el Gazel also. Please search online. They are listed as Luo both in SSudan and Uganda. I am yet to find out more about this group as well. Apwoyo.
@Mrpwocber i am lango. The many books I have read as always talked about lango and Kumam to be ateker. However we were luonised. And this took place thousand years ago....
Are Kenyan Luos Kumam, they speak like us than others
Not at all, listen to Jopadhola and the Alur speak.
Kumam were affected by the Luo migration and adopted Luo . Of course kumam is intelligible with Kenya Luo. But kumam Luo dialect seems to have originated through Lango ,Paluo, Acoli, Labwor
The Kumam question is becoming ever so clear. Most Kumam people are aware of their origin ( Eastern Ethiopia with the Iteso, Lango) so they belong to Ateker group. They have however been at least 89% assimilated by the Lango who are almost 100% been assimilated by the luo Acholi. Some Kumam people are finding it difficult accepting this assimilation but it is difficult when they have lost their customers/practices and language. In reality the Kumam are closer to the Langi who are now Luos than Iteso. Kumam people deserve to accept assimilation and settle for their future generations sake. The senior minister is clear and sober the Kumam have been Luos for hundreds of years.
True
The assimilation still continues.