*STARSHIP TROOPERS* Was Not What We Were Expecting!!
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This is our first time watching reaction to the movie "Starship Troopers (1997)" In the distant future, the Earth is at war with a race of giant alien insects. Little is known about the Bugs except that they are intent on the eradication of all human life. But there was a time before the war... A Mobile Infantry travels to distant alien planets to take the war to the Bugs. They are a ruthless enemy with only one mission: Survival of their species no matter what the cost...
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Awesome movie
What happened to yalls channel yall stop TWD which was understandable never watched House of the Dragons and etc. Yall just watch strange animes and Old movies now. What happened? Now if you don't watch StarWars, that one anime/one piece and Old movies your channels videos get skipped everyone doesn't watch those...(i havent watched yalls channel in Months)🤷♂️🤷♂️
have you seen Robocop 1987 as well?
2 additional live action movies and then at least 2 animated from what I hear (haven't watch the animated). Totally different than the book though.
There are 2Sequels Starship Troopers 2 has pretty much nothing to do with the First beside the Same universe and is more murder mystery Style which is a Complete different vibe Part 3 actually brings Rico back which is nice and in many aspekts reminds of a slightly worse First Part but to be fair its also No longer a novelty at that point.
That scene of the bugs swarming the outpost holds up so well 25+ years later.
the best part of that scene is the 7 or 8 minutes of silence until the music kicks in as the liutenant sees the horde and realizes they're doomed
Totally agree bro
The CGI they created for that sequence was legendary.
I would like to know more...
That scene probably inspired the Zerg swarm
ITS ONE OF THE MEMORABLE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE PLUS THE MAIN THEME MAKES IT A 100X MORE EPIC
It's crazy how pretty much every death in the movie is brutal yet Dizzy's still hits extra hard. She was a legit badass and you hated seeing her go.
The movie is brutal as is war.
Dizz hit hard even as a 7 year old 😂
She shouldn't have taken the time to celebrate her awesome throw.
@@poppers7317 this is so true! Who the hell celebrates a kill in war / mid-battle
Fuck it, she asked to die
@@ViewsByTazplenty of people do. This movie glosses over the reality of war.
2:22 "The cameraman always lives"
*Cameraman is brutally murdered 5 seconds later.*
was about to say then looked into comments for this lol
It's funny you mentioned Firefly. Firefly actually used the leftover Starship Trooper armor for the Alliance soldiers
Yes. Painted purple. Thus the nickname for Alliance troops.
Nice never knew that.
So did Power Rangers Lost Galaxy.
Came to the comments to say this! Beat me to it!
@@alucard624I was wondering if anyone else noticed that lol
johnny: i love you
carmen: (doesn't say it back)
and anthony took that personally 😄
That’s a standard dude response girl treats your boy like shit we hate you like you did it to us
Most actors hate being typecasted but Casper Van Dien (Rico) really embraced the role after meeting actual enlisted men at a comicon. He says in an interview that a marine came up to him and said he and his squad got the tattoo Rico got (Death from above) to bond and the marine said he credits Casper/Rico as helping his unit bond and to get through basic training. Afterwards he fully embraced the character to the point that people EVEN TODAY he says he still gets people when he's pumping gas someone will yell out "RICO, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!" To which he still responds "yes sir!" He also had a cameo as Rico in the Hillary Duff movie with Casper so apparently those two movies are in the same universe.
I remember seeing him on Screen Junkies many years back as a guest... he seemed down to earth and a nice guy
Its typecast...
He even do the voiceovers in the animated movies
@@emillyyelen5169It’s also “it’s”.
Casper did a series of Vietnam movies. Plus of course the sequels to ST.
Fun movie trivia fact, Eric Bruskotter (Breckinridge, helmet guy) and Tami Adrian-George (Djana'D, who shot him) first met during the shooting of this movie and ended up getting married. "Dad, how did you and mommy meet?" "Well, she blamed me for things always going wrong and then shot me in the head. I really would be dumb if I didn't ask her out after that."
This is so cool!!!!
Anytime someone around me gets wounded if my brother was around we'd look at each other and scream MEDIC!!!! 😂. Childhood classic !!
"We'll try administrative punishment"
"...Desk duty?"
Honestly, worse than lashes.
I saw this in theaters opening night and the theater legitimately exploded in applause during the credits... The only movie I've ever been to that actually got a standing applause
Which is amazing considering how if you think about it, the humans are basically the bad guys operating under a fascist government.
The battle scenes are phenomenal, both for the realistic and clever special effects and for the humor.
There is a sequel I have not seen it others have said it's bad I'm still going to find it and watch it one day
There's several sequels, the 2nd one is sadly the best one though 😬
Wasn't there an animated series or movie?
@@ssjcookie5498There was n animated series. I remember liking it a lot at the time but I have no idea if it holds up.
@@m00rc4tStory wise it holds up but it's late 90's cg animation on a tv show budget.
Whoever did the visuals on the Space Bugs is an FX hero because they still hold up today
Phil Tippett's Tippett Studio & Sony Picture Imageworks with help from outside studios such as ILM.
Tippett is a legend in the industry, for sure.
Agreed 💯 they are still great over 25 years later it's crazy
They were probably storyboarded before filming, did some previz, and then the effects people just went to work and completed it to spec without ten thousand (100,000) notes from the studio execs afterwards forcing them to all be changed at the last minute and rushed out days before release like modern movies. Modern movies don't even storyboarded. They don't even have a script before they start filming. They write as they go, try to get a lot of coverage, and then manufacture the movie in editing and reshoots. That's why modern special effects look like a muddled mess and I can do better on my home computer with free software.
This movie was SO ahead of it's time, it was really the flagship of scifi in it's own time. Best effects of the day, stellar cast, and despite being scifi captures the brutality of combat. I traumatized myself as a child watching this all the time.
If you ever read the book, you will be so disappointed with the movie that you will never watch it again.
@@michaelsangster2354 only if you really agreed with the author's vision of what a "good" government system should be. the author got very dogmatic and preachy with his political beleifs , while the movie made jokes about them and made the federation come off as a not entirely good totalitarian regime (which it wasnt). i like both the book and the movie for what they are. that said this movie got panned by critics and consumers back in the day. but then that is why you call it a "cult following". today the love of this movie has gone more mainstream and less "cult".
oh and no it wasn't really "ahead". much of what this movie was applauded for was taken and influenced by Robocop. particually with all the tv/ad seggments and the over the top graphic violence.
The original book in the 50s inspired Gundam and similar anime.
@@DenverStarkey It's a utopia, no matter how much the idiot director tried to dress it up in Nazi imagery. It's a multicultural society, with equal rights between races and sexes, there's a free press with dissenting views given a full hearing, there's accountability for failed leadership in government, civilians can't vote but they can apparently have a great life living in huge mansions and can afford to send their kids on vacations across the galaxy without a hint of suffering from any oppression. There's propaganda, sure, but no more than we have in real life in the most "democratic" of countries today. Everyone knows exactly what they need to do to gain citizenship if they want it, there's nothing hidden, and ultimately the people who choose it are, all of them, quite happy with their choice. Think about the footage from the war zone on Klendathu that got broadcast to everyone, showing the horrors of the war in gruesome detail and compare that to how military conflicts are portrayed on our own cable news, all cleaned up and censored with our soldiers being shown as heroic without showing them getting blown up by IEDs and getting PTSD.
The film does make it seem like only military service is a path to citizenship but that's an invention of the movie. Any sort of service is a pathway to citizenship in the book, and nobody, no matter what their capabilities or disabilities, is denied an opportunity to find some way to serve and earn their right to vote.
The scene where she breaks up with him and all the guys walk away without a work is honestly super touching. They sense the vibe and give him privacy
Went to high school with this guy, couldn't believe it when an old school buddy just happened to mention to me that this guy was the star of a movie. . . Never would have imagined it. . . Good on you Van Dien.
CGI still better than 99% of movies 20+ years later…
Because the CGI was only used to enhance actual actors, props, set-dressings, and effects. The CGI is more convincing because there is something real under it that the actors are interacting with.
One of the CGI artists that worked on the 2022 4K HDR Remaster of Starship Troopers said that the original special effects people did such a great job and put so much detail into the CGI models that all they had to do was upscale the pixel count and run anti-aliasing passes on the result instead of reconstructing the model from the ground up.
@@silverblade357 Jurasic Park also still looks pretty good.
The thing with these older movies is that they knew they had to invest a lot of time and money into every shot, and they had to plan out every CGI shot they wanted to do exactly long in advance.
The problem with bad CGI in movies almost always comes because directors and producers think the CGI people can just quickly slap something together with no prior notice while still making changes weeks before release.
More advanced hardware and software of course makes things a lot easier for the animators. But the main ingredient to make really good looking shots has always been and still is a lot of time to polish things up. You just can't rush these things and expect them to look good.
@@Yora21 Yeah, CGI makes things quicker and easier for the alleged visionaries, but can be viciously more expensive. Adjusting for inflation, it would cost roughly $120M to make Jurassic Park today. For comparison Jurassic World cost anywhere from $150M to $200M.
Hell, the original Terminator cost only $8M in 1984. Just rendering the robot scenes in CGI could cost more than that. Filmmakers really need to consider using the old techniques first with CGI as a compliment to improve the illusion.
Fact check true!!
This movie was actually really deep. At first you think evil is an alien race hell bent on destruction of humanity. But then you come to find the real evil was Carmen all along.
And then Dougie Howser MD shows up in a full leather Hugo Boss SS trench coat.
:"D BRILLIANT yeah the stereotypical entitled cheating female that chooses a career and her BOSS or someone at work over a real partner Disgustingly accurate comparison ;)
Well it was the humans in general.
lol
Think about physics. Objects in space travel on a path unless something affects it. Carmen and Zander nudged the asteroid on a new path when they hit it. The real question is if the bugs even sent the asteroid at all!
Carmen nudged that asteroid and killed Johnny's parents. Finally someone sees her true evil.
Even if she did not change the trajectory of the asteroid, she did change the trajectory of the ship and it ended up destroying it´s comm equipment in the evasion maneuver. If it was on original course they could have called Earth ahead of time and destroy the asteroid before it hit Earth. So she is responsible for the enemy asteroid attack being successful.
That's one of the unspoken things in this film that makes it great. How could the bugs possibly knock asteroids off their course? People did it. It was a false flag. No 9/11 conspiracy bs, a legitimate false flag. It's exactly like the burning of the Reichstag during Hitler's rise to power. How could the bugs do it? Why would the bugs do it?
I hate Carmen as much as the next Starship Troopers viewer, but I'll say one thing in her defense--dude got a 35 on his math final. She shoulda dropped him right then.
If they stayed on the original trajectory they might not even had seen the asteroid is how I've always looked at it.
@@mattschliemann9683 They were on outer system patrol, searching the area for anything to train the rookies in how to use the ship. So asteroid nearby would have been noticed for navigation if nothing else and once trajectory is projected the alarm would be raised just as it did once they evaded the rock. Asteroid big enough to have it´s own gravity that is not on the known trajectory is not something our current day systems would ignore, futuristic systems of space faring ship would take notice.
Starship Troopers is the movie equivalent of a Dunning-Kruger effect. You can enjoy the low-brow fun gory sci-fi stuff, but if you're a little smarter, you think the movie is stupid, BUT THEN, when you really analyze the ideas in the movie, you realize that it's genius!
Yup anti war movie .
Eh, kind of. The director was a moron who read the first 20 pages and tossed it down saying that it was fascist trash, and that he was going to make a parody of it, without realizing that the book in and of itself is a parody of fascism.
No, no it was not.
@@anonymouse1593not genius or not an anti war movie?… cause it’s both.
The style of the movie as a propaganda piece (as well as the characters who wholeheartedly believe in their government system) illustrates how their super-nationalistic, fascist gov is a top-down system.
It’s a good sell: “you must EARN the right to vote.” … “service guarantees citizenship”.
But then you see the hierarchical structure of the bugs and you see how they’re exactly the same. The single mindedness of the UCF war machine lead by a central intelligence. is effectively the same as arachnid drones lead by a central brain bug.
The meta commentary being that the military IRL isn’t any different from the movie. The Roughnecks are brainwashed into thinking that they’re making a difference when in reality they’re just meat for the Brass to throw around.
@@natedagreat19 my comment was to the person who claimed the book was “anti fascist”. It was not.
This movie goes way harder than any movie has a right to. And it works. It holds up to this day with some stunning visual effects. The models for the ships are stunning, the CG, everything. And the raw satire of the whole story is just brilliant. It's well acted... just an absolute classic movie. And yeah, it does NOT hold back at all.
Sniffs the air..... "Someone is reacting to Starship Troopers..... I must go" ❤
What are you? Bug? 😂
Ace is the bestfriend we all need! Love him, always appreciate how humbled he gets.
"nah i was squad leader and i blew it. im just here to kill bugs." what a character arc.
"You still got me to kick around" ☺ That's a real buddy there.
And he plays a mean violin thingy
But he's the one that calls in the brain bug. meaning its he who actually alerts the Federation to its location and enables its capture. @@gabagool_and_psychiatry4856
@@HeatRaverOf course you are. EVERYONE deserves a friend like me! 🫡
One of my all time favourite childhood movies. So underrated.
Childhood? Who let you watch this?
@@orangewarm1 my parents.
Same, loved this and watched many times as a kid
@@orangewarm1it was ok back then
So a cameo that some people didn’t get but some did: the blind biology teacher is Rue McClanahan. This is the same actress who played Blanche Devereaux in the TV series Golden Girls.
There’s an other piece of the trivia that the actors agreed to do the shower scene, but on one condition: the director shows up to the shoot as naked as they would be. The rest is history.
I guess that they forgot he's European...
To this day, this is one of my most favorite movies; also there was originally a kiss scene with Carmen and Zander, but this caused early test audiences further hate towards her character more, so they cut it out.
Good decision
If you're wondering, the reason for the war was hinted at in one of the news reels where the Mormon fundamentalists established a colony in bug territory. They were then wiped out and the war went from there. Great reaction though and definitely some insights about Carmen not seen elsewhere.
Also when Carmen dumps Johnny and Ace comforts him about how they always want to be friends after? That was just after Johnny had friend-zoned Dizz so he has his low points too😁😁
Johnny never led Dizz along she always new Johnny was in love with Carmen she just didn't care , Fate put her in his bed and Fate took it all away.
Buenos Aires was a false flag!
This. It's so blink and you miss it. I love that subtle detail.
“Fate put her in his bed”, how about try “the state” put her in his bed. Notice how Rico never even considers Dizzy until his commanding officer basically tells him to get in there and screw her.
The best example of this is when the marines are all showering together, guys and girls, earlier in the film. We might be aroused cuz they’re all fit and good looking, but none of them are. They have completely surrendered themselves to the state and are proud tools of nationalism and violence. The movie is supposed to be a warning against fascism. It’s a masterpiece
The reason for the war was the asteroid attack. The mormon fundamentalists were warned not to go into the quarantined bug territory.
“He gets it!!!” *laughing maniacally about the whole Carmen thing*
Everybody hates Carmen
I've watched a lot of channels react to this movie, but I have never seen anyone blame Carmen for the death of Rico's parents, like she's the Joker to Johnny's Batman. In the '89 version, of course, which I still think was a crap decision. Anyway, Anthony's hate for Carmen made this whole video hilarious, and I kind of wish she was the evil mastermind he makes her out to be. I'm glad the love triangle was really a very small part of this movie. Everything else they said about it is all Verhoeven's style, just like Robocop. Love it. Too bad there's nobody left who really has such a unique style anymore. Movies used to be so unique and stylish, but now they all seem the same. Also, Starship Troopers is a legendary sci-fi novel from 1959.
and it is also a 3d animated series. animation is not good but it is still funn to watch.
Yeah, Carmen was a thot. :D Dizzy was best girl.
@OrCaSonOfAll I've seen a couple animated movies. One of them had a martial artist who actually kicked a bug, just before they killed him, of course. It was kind of dumb. Don't think I've seen an animated series, though.
another good sci fi book which is similar to starship troopers is Armor, 1984 book which is really great also.
She could be viewed as responsible for the inability to communicate the bug asteroid was coming to hit.
Shes the one that rerouted the course causing them to hit it & knock out the communication tower.
Fun fact, in the book Jonny's dad survived and joined the Mi. there was a brief but heart touching moment between them as Jonny's dad was assigned to his old squad as he is being shipped off to officer school
In the novel Johnny was a young Filipino man named Juan "Johnny" Rico. The mobile infantry used flying power armour and heavy ordnance (nukes were among the standard armaments). The bugs were also technological, using built in laser weapons and had ships, and there was a 3rd alien race, the "Skinnies", which were more neutral in the larger conflict. In the human society civilians had the most personal freedom while citizens got to vote and hold office.
Ah, yes. I still wanna learn the Skinnie for "This is a thirty second bomb! 30! 29! 28! 27!..."
Watch "Roughnecks Chronicles" it's a more fleshed out version of the universe
There was also the TTRPG and the miniatures series that had them as a playable faction along with a few other races.
So they do grow em big and dumb
"I kinda like this guy."
That's Clancy Brown. He was The Kurgin in Highlander. I think it's funny that their teacher Ratchek was Michael Ironsides who was in Highlander 2. Clancy Brown was in Buckaroo Banzai and even appeared in an episode or two of Lost. Most famously he voices Mr Krabs from Spongebob.
"The enemy cannot flip a krabby patty if you disable his hand! MEDIC!!"
And he also place the most beloved character of them all in Detroit: Become Human.
But for me.. He will always be the badass guard in The Shawshank Redemption.
THANK YOU!!!! I knew i recognized his voice! Was driving me crazy. Mr Crabs! Duh!
Well, his most iconic role was as Captain Hadley in Shawshank Redemption. If you don't recognize him instantly from that role, then you didn't really watch 90's movies!
for me he will always be the viking Hakon, and his descendent 'Wolf' from Gargoyles
Never forget that Rico's drill sergeant is the guy that voices Mr. Krabbs.
Clancy Brown. What a legend. Best voice for Lex Luthor too.
Such a lad. Also great in The Shawshank Redemption. Both also made more fun by seeing the contrast with Mr. Krabbs.
Funny story about the shower scene. Filming it was an understandably awkward prospect for all involved, so they eventually agreed to do it with a bare minimum of crew, basically just a camera man, sound guy, and the director, and everyone, cast and crew, all stripped off so everybody was on equal footing as much as they could be.
The poimt of the exercise, beyond tittilation, was also to show how little the Earthlings cared about sex anymore. The more important thing was earning their citizenship.
@@JoshSweetvale Yes, but the actors filming it are still humans from our reality at out time with all the hang-ups that come along with that.
@@JoshSweetvale It was actually to demonstrate there was actually, ironically, more equality between the sexes and irreverence to old social taboos in that future authoritarian/fascist dystopian society of starship trooper
It's still funny that the director was naked too.
@@Trippmecha Frankly, I respect it. He didn't ask anybody to do anything he wouldn't do himself along with them, admittedly with the significant difference of which way the camera is pointed.
"When I say 'Ender's Game', i mean the book, NOT the movie" That just made my day. Thank you.
9:41 “The Multiverse of Midness” that was hilarious! 😂😂😂💀
"Starship Troopers" is based on a book by Robert Heinlein, published in 1959. So "Ender's Game" was likely referring to the earlier story in his Ender series. Card, the author of Ender's Game, did not cite Heinlein as an influence, but did mention Asimov's "Foundation" as an inspiration.
The Robert Heinlein book is pro-war. The director of this movie made an epic twist by sending the book up completely.
@@thomasmount3530 Heinlein was a weird dude, if I accurately recall the plot of "Time Enough For Love."
@@thomasmount3530 That has always been an interesting debate. Is the book easily categorized or is the unreliable narrator a function of his society? It's been a while since I read it and while I know the person who introduced me to it was
@@SG-js2qnmy favorite still remains Glory Road, wish someone made a faithful adaptation
@@galadballcrusher8182 Yep, First book that ever raised the question "What happens to the hero AFTER" Changed my 15 year old outlook!
"Fking kill Xander and take 10 more lashes" Word LOL 🤣🤣🤣
The drill instructor Zim is played by Clancy Brown who is famous for many rolls, but is probably best known for being the voice of Mr. Krabs on Sponge Bob.
Also Lex Luthor in the DC animated universe and the Kurgan in Highlander
Can't believe they missed it lol😅
And more recently even.. Governor Ryder Azadi in Ahsoka 😁 'Where' s Sabine? ' granted, he had a beard in this one..
To me, he’ll always be Captain Hadley from The Shawshank Redemption.
and one of the juvenile detention thugs in ''Bad Boys"
Back in the day so many people took this movie at face value when in fact it is a satire about militarism, authoritarianism, and hyper-media. It's good to see younger generations picking up on what the movie was really about at first watch.
reading these other replies makes me wonder if it was just "back in the day" 🤦♂
The book by Robert A Heinlein that this movie is very loosely based on is completely different and on the recommended reading list at Quantico. It's well worth reading if you're into that sort of thing.
Yeah, its like advanced future version of the American dream until you realise they are living in a fascist state. Probably why they set it in South America rather than the U.S. so it didn't seem like a political attack and was more stomachable.
The really funny thing is that they tried to make a satire out of it but the message resonated with the human spirit far too much to be simply negated. These days they want to discount putting your allegiance towards a thing bigger than yourself; earning your place and your rights. They want to satire it because they want people to consider themselves the center of everything, because individuals are much easier to control. But not as easy to control as a group of individuals.
@@craigsosebee6335 Paul Verhoeven (Director of the film, who also lived during Nazi Occupation of The Netherlands in WW2) was clear that the Starship Troopers movie is a satire of the Nazi Propaganda Film "Triumph of the Will". In the end, our main characters end up brainwashed fighting for a war that (likely) will never end. A Dictatorship can't survive without an enemy (best of all: it's an inhuman enemy that, the movie establishes in a quick shot, lives on the other side of the galaxy ... bugs sending meteors from 1 side of the galaxy to the other? something DEFINITELY doesn't add up). They are victims of a Global Fascist State they had no reasonable means to escape, caught in a whole media propaganda machine they've been fed since small children. Everything about this colorful gung-ho sci-fi epic on the surface is truly, at the center of it all, a completely dystopian nightmare.
Zander is every man's worst nightmare realized
That is, until you meet the fascist liberals of 2024 and beyond...
He did get his brains sucked out at the end.
What, losing the hot girl while a giant mass of flesh sucked out his very essence?
One of the worst cinematic deaths for sure.
This film is an adaptation of a novel that was written in 1959, as an allegory for the militaristic political society seen in America after World War II. It heavily influenced the Forever War, Ender's Game and countless other science fiction stories.
Indeed. If you like Ender's Game, you should definitely give Starship Troopers a read. This is missing a lot of stuff from the books and recontextualizes a lot of stuff to work as a movie. Another book that covers a similar topic is Armor by Steakley.
The book is "Starship Troopers" by Robert A. Heinlein.
Sci-fi fascist parody is the genre.
Heinlein has written a number of great books. I put him up there with Card, and Azimov.
Citizen of the Galaxy, and Starship Troopers are my two faves.
(And 99% of the time, the books are far better than the movies)
@@user-gt2uf8cq9y The attempted genre of the movie, maybe. The book was sincere in it's portrayal.
Legitimately one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time! Love seeing people's first reaction to it! 😁
I love this movie, and it still holds up so well. The effects on this are still better than a lot of movies being released now.
The book
"Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein is worth a read too.
Varies greatly from this movie.
Just know that it's a love letter to fascism written by a guy who probably liked to masturbate while reading weapon and other military tech manuals.
I watched this movie as a kid and was always a huge fan of it! Finding out later on when I was a little older that one of my other favorite franchises, Warhammer 40,000, was based heavily on the book Starship Troopers was great!
I get why Johnny didn't say "I love you" back. The first woman he said "I love you" to broke up and destroyed him. Of course he'd be hesitant to say it again. He's protecting himself (or trying to) from the possibility of another emotional hurt.
No, we see that Johnny _never_ loved Diz. He cared for her as a childhood friend, teammate, and "brother" in arms, and he took her as a lover after being encouraged to embrace what was right in front of him when tomorrow they might all die, but he never loved her the way she loved him.
Seeing this as a kid in the 90's, I always saw the bugs as the villains. But as an adult, I understand the true villain was Carmen lol Also anything that actor is in, the drill sergeant, I always expect him to finish off his sentences with "arghargharghargh" 😂
The Sergeant breaking arms and throwing knives is Clancy Brown, the voice of Mr. Crabs in SpongeBob SquarePants.
Starship Troopers started out as a book, and had the mobile infantry wearing "powered armour" which was described in terms that make it seem much more like a small mech suit than the kind of thing people think of when hearing that phrase in modern sci-fi stories. It pretty much invented the idea of mechs, and in the late 1980s, there was a 6-episode anime OVA series which had the characters in mechs rather than the more modern military style shown in this movie. The movie also got an animated sequel cartoon series (with many returning characters from the movie, but all of them voiced by different actors than the ones from the live action version), in which they did the half-measure of upgrading them to use power armour of a more modern sci-fi style where it's form-fitting armour that enhances your strength rather than a full on mech. Then they retconned all that and made a live action Starship Troopers 2 with a whole new cast (new characters, not new actors playing the same people) then brought Rico back for Starship Troopers 3.
Basically the order of how big an impact the different Starship Troopers stories have had on modern fiction is:
1. The book practically invented the concept of mech combat and inspired the creation of numerous tabletop wargame franchises, sci-fi novel series, TV shows and movies, as well as having major impact on dystopian storytelling themes and methods of exploring such worlds, which has an ongoing impact in fiction across all types of media to this day.
2. The first live action movie had a major impact on how war-themed movies and sci-fi stories were told going forward, but mostly by reinforcing the lessons the books had already provided and adding its own spin on a few things which hadn't managed to transition from written stories into other formats previously.
3. Nothing else made even the slightest dent in the collective consciousness of humanity.
the space funeral gets me every time, what a beautiful way to rest
45:35 I love RedLetterMedia's interpretation of this scene, as they observe that Rico's just completely gone. His brainwash is now 100% complete. It's not a happy ending at all
I love that you guys reacted to this movie because you both have the best sense of humor 😄
In the Directors Commentary on the DVD, the writer and director said that they tested this movie all over the world and audiences EVERYWHERE - every country, every culture - hated Carmen and loved Dizzy. They thought Carmen should die and Johnny should get with Dizzy. Interesting uniformity of opinion!
I hear some of those early screenings had Johnny crawling back to Carmen in the end. I can only imagine
I never really got the hate for Carmen. Going separate ways after HS is not something evil.
That's not interesting at all.
This is actually a really clever satire on totalitarianism, but it's buried underneath the horror of the bug invasion, which is something the audience more immediately reacts to. The conversation where they reveal they need to serve in order to do such basic things as get their dream career or have babies is chilling.
Starship troopers did what Disney has failed to do repeatedly. Dizzy is one of the best examples of a strong female lead character. Even if she wasn't a legit lead character she makes you feel like she is. She's very likable and tuff as nails. And it's a natural flow it's not forced. You can tell the producers and writers cared
One of the best movies from the late 90’s. It still holds up to this day
The scene of the Roger Young breaking up and the VFX of burning up in orbit STILL holds up.
One of my favorite movies! This, Robocop, and Total Recall are from the same director
40:23 Mark! "Brutal"? Yes! Now you're ready for, "Mars Attacks!" 😊 😂 😅
13:36 Mark! That's the "DOOL" guy! The two women are famous for "Seinfeld" as fans can tell you. Each one's character was in an episode dealing with breast humor. The older one annoyed Elaine because she didn't bras! As a hint, Elaine gave her one, and she wore it as a top under suit jacket!
The girl was in a cleavage episode in which George was too obvious about admiring it! Her father caught him at it and yelled, "She's only fifteen!" That shocked George! 😂😅
17:54 Fun fact: The guy that gets killed by the "politics" girl on the training course are actually married to this day IRL
I am happy to say I saw this movie in the theatres, and while the movie, critically, wasn't necessarily the best, at that time, in 97 I thought it was an amazing spectacle, seeing all that action on the big screen. The cgi was incredible for that time and even holds up for todays time, again, 1997. Great reaction guys!
On another note, I hope you guys are planning to react to a number of horror movies for this halloween, Im a huge horror movie fan, and Im really looking forward to watching just a bunch of horror reactions, I think you guys would have a lot of fun!
the critics really missed the satire and were too afraid to address the obvious Not-Z (you get it) uniforms.
I love this movie, saw it as a teen for the cheesey 90's gore and action, but growing up love it as basically a parody of itself.
It's a parody of fascism.
@@steven95NIt actually is a parody of itself though too, as the movie is a parody of the book it is based on.
Director Paul Verhoeven also directed Robocop. He made this movie because so many people completely missed the satire in Robocop and rooted for the wrong things, so he responded by making the satire completely over the top in this movie.
Ah yes satire a book you never read, genius man.
@@unknownsword9042He didn´t base his film on the book. It was originally titled ´Bug Hunt´ but when they had the chance to get the novel´s rights, they did it because it´s good for promoting the film in the USA.
This movie is so interesting because it is one of those movies where the director actively disliked the source material, so he produced an entertaining satire of it.
Or there is another take for people who grew up reading Heinlein besides "entertaining".....
Zim is one of the best characters in this movie! He is a great sergeant, respects his troops, but doesn't wanna hide behind a desk.
So when he is told the only way, he is getting to see any action is to demote himself, that's exactly what he does, and then he goes on to capture the Brain Bug.
Zim was the real MVP!
The director obviously made this as a satirical take on nationalism and militarism however in the expanded film universe and the book of course it's very much a clash of civilizations. Humanity and the Arachnids are interstellar civilizations that desire full control of the galaxy and are actively trying to destroy each other.
The arachnids are not "victims"
Yeah..there are both no doubt expanding outward thus we get conflict bc neither wants to cede ground to the other.
Stellaris player playing a devouring swarm civ. If I am not destroyed, you will be food.
Unresolved was a good observation as any fan of the work knows it eventually starts going downhill from here even as our technology increases.
the movie and the game is not canon ,its a satire of the book.
Plus the arachnids are very different in the book, having a more biotech feel - warrior having mini bioplasma guns mounted on their forearm,/pincers and massive starship sized transport bugs that can travel from planet to planet.
There was a spin off series for this called Roughnecks. It takes place during the campaigns through the bug planets. I actually highly recommend it to people, you get to learn alot more about the characters, and they have most of the actors from the movies doing the voices
"Is he crazy?"
"We're fighting giant space bugs on Pluto. We're all crazy."
I thought the series was great.
But it has nothing to do with the anti-militaristic tone of the Verhoeven movie....
@docgonzobordel the movie is pretty bad at being anti-militaristic
It needs a remake. That cgi is painful to look at sometimes, lol.
One of my all time favourite movies. The klandathu drop and music was so awesome.
Movie is not a faithful adaption of the source material because the director didn't bother reading more than a few pages and labeled it "boring".
The society in the book is a harsh meritocracy where you get all rights but cannot vote or hold office unless you are a citizen.
In order to become a citizen and get those two privileges you must volunteer for federal service. This does not necessarily mean military as only 2% of citizens got their citizenship through the military. Federal service tends to be backbreaking and dangerous regardless though.
The idea is one must prove they are willing to suffer and sacrifice for the betterment of society before they get a say in how it is run.
The novel is "hard sci-fi" and is more about politics and ideology than combat. Things like why do governments bother with conventional military's in the nuclear age and how's and why's of the use of force.
Starship Troopers was an inspiration to many now popular sci-fi IP's including things like Halo, Gundam, BattleTech.
Heinlein compares the morally-brightest example of a militarized society (the Terran Federation) to the worst example possible (the bugs) to draw out a number of principles about what he thinks makes a good military. Those principles include:
If you want to participate as a citizen, you have to serve your country, up to and including being prepared to quite literally fight, even die, for the privilege. The protagonists constantly link their military service to their responsibility as citizens to the Terran Federation, while the bugs are largely mindless.
An all-volunteer army that's well trained, well equipped, and knows the value of the individuals that serve in it trumps an army that treats its infantry like so many potatoes to be thrown at enemies, even if the latter greatly outnumbers the former. Since the Bugs' idea of troop management is "let 'em die like pigs, We Have Reserves", those "reserves" run out pretty soon... while the determination of Terran troops never runs out.
Lastly, there are two aesops regarding sexism and racism. Johnny Rico is Juan Rico and his girlfriend Carmen is an officer and a pilot, trying to demonstrate an integrated service being the ideal. In comparison, the Bugs are portrayed as lacking in all diversity.
In the book Rico dated Carmen but once the war started and over several years they drifted apart. Carl was killed in a bug attack. The bugs were a sentient hive mind with advanced technology, weapons, starships, etc. Also the Mobile Infantry uses powered armor, with great detailed descriptions of their use and design, in a book written in the late 50's.
Also Flores was a dude, and not a romantic partner Johnny was a Filipino guy (Juan) and his dad survived the destruction of BA and joins the military. At the end of the book his dad is Johnny's sergeant.
The book is a lot more speculative fiction, where the movie has basically all the same concepts but it's through the lens of propaganda and satire, since Verhoeven was a kid in nazi-occupied Netherlands and lived under the sorts nationalist boots you see in the book and movie.
@CxOrillion true, on most novel covers he's a white guy.
@@CxOrillion Verhoeven also absolutely despised Heinlein as an author and specifically wanted to direct this movie to twist the original material into the propaganda it is.
I was chuckling when you were predicting Johnny might die. His character is in a bunch of sequels that are both live action and animated. The animated ones were pretty good but the original is still the best.
I loved the Roughnecks cartoon from the late 90s. Was showing the mechs & actual layered combat beyond just the rifled guns.
Probably because the first movie is a social and political commentary on the dangers of fascism, set in a pretty poppy action movie. The sequels were just action movies, and they were lower budget.
@@mercb3astthe second one is a decent B-movie sci Fi horror (but a bad sequel). 3 is godawful.
The first animated movie was fun, but I really didn't like the second. The whole public approval rating thing was just weird and missed the mark for me
If Casey enjoyed reading Ender's Game, then she'll love reading the book that this movie was sourced from by Robert Heinlein.
And when she's done with that, then she can read "The Forever War" by Haldeman, which is a critique of Starship Troopers.
Can you explain why you think this way about the two books?
I have read forever war but didn't realise it was a response to starship troopers!
@Macbobob there's basically a sub-genre of Sci fi made up og responses, critiques and homages to Starship Troopers by authors who gre up reading it. In addition to 'Forever War' I would offer up 'Old Man's War' and 'Armor'.
5:59 when you said "Zoom, Zoom Zoom..."
My first thought was of the classic Mazda commercial.
This movie is so wild, it's definitely one of my favourites
It's so cool that at the 1 hours mark the full brutality of this war is shown on full blast their "armour" doesn't do a single thing lmao
If memory serves, when the movie first came out, critics panned the movie; criticising it for its propagandistic, pro-war messaging. Somehow, they completely missed how the movie was blatant satire of military movies, fascism, and pro-war politics. 😁😁
Because the MSM critics were just as blinded by the smell of their own farts then as they are now.
Veroeven tried to make a sattire, but he failed.
@@Jutrzen
What do you mean?
He completely succeeded, which is why the "Paul Verhoeven Trilogy" are so beloved.
Robocop
Total Recall
Starship Troopers
He succeeded in all three
What are you some sort of bug sympathizer? Why don't you move to Klendathu?
@@Luciphell Go read my comment once more, because your comment isn't an answer to it.
"You want to live forever!?" Love this movie. Classic. And there are sequels, but I don't really recommend them. This first one is the pinnacle of the saga. But there was a CGI animated cartoon type of show called Roughnecks that was on Saturdays when I was a kid, and I liked that show.
Traitor of Mars was pretty good, I think. It even had the armor from the books, or at least similar to.
Starship Troopers still holds up today with a sweet blend of combat, practical effects and well made animations.
Yes, but the over the top satire script also really carries a lot of weight.
The producers actually liked Brenda Strong {the captain of the Roger Young} so much, she actually played a different character in the second movie.
Would have made for a fun gag to have her play a different character that dies in every movie
@@alekz8580 They really should have followed through.
In "Marauder" she could have been one of Johnny's Marauder Troopers, and like overloaded the powerplant in her suit to break a Bug attack wave or something......
check her out in Seinfield as tthe freespirited bra-top lady
And, was the nurse going to give princess Vespa her original nose back
There's a lot of misinfo here. Heinlein's book was * not * satire, he was being completely serious. He viewed himself as a libertarian but his actions placed him firmly on the extreme right-wing. The guy was vehemently pro-nuclear testing, served on Goldwater's presidential campaign, and was part of PRO Vietnam war ads.
I really enjoyed this reaction to Romance Troopers. My cheeks were hurting quite a bit as you two and your editor were on fire. The gore is why any respectable parent would keep a child away from this. I'm pleased more movie fans are enjoying Verhoeven's unique cinematic style. Any sequels or remakes might try to imitate and feel exactly like that: an imitation. His name never comes up when discussions of directors occur until someone brings up one of his movies, then everyone just nods.
lol, "respectable parent". Bro not sure what type of family you were raised in but Starship troopers is a movie for 5 year old's to enjoy just like robocop. Clearly you were born into a stuff upper class family
@@TheFrmx Wow. Who pulled your chain? Go on then - let your children grown up on torture porn - laterz.
This was a novel in 1959 called Starship Troopers this movie was based. Saying Ender's Game reminds me of people who were saying Lord of the RIngs was like Harry Potter. That is because most Sci Fi/Fantasy you see on TV or in the movies is based off of older stories like a Total Recall. Many Sci Fi and Fantasy stories were written between the 1950s and 1980s. Most of the TV and Movie projects greenlit now tend to be those stories or other stories based off those stories. Very little is original or at least not influenced by something that was done long ago. I think reactors in general are not well read on the history of stories and really are just new to the media we see on the big or small screen. This is an example of how movies and TV have really taken over in the younger generations.
Shoutout for Enders Game the book. Still one of my favorite books of all time. If you’ve never read it or have just seen the movie than I truly implore you to give it a read. It’s an amazing book.
To get multiple sides of a soldier's worldview, first read the book "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein, then "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman, and then "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card.
The totally in sync laughing at 28:52 had me dying! haha 🤣
"Neil Patrick Harris!"
I almost choked on my sandwich.
Director Paul Verhoeven also directed Robocop. He said in interviews that he made this movie partly because so many people missed the satire in Robocop and rooted for the wrong things, so he responded by making the satire completely over the top in this movie.
Ironic because Verhoeven gave up reading the book claiming it was too boring and got someone to give him a synopsis which he built the movie on. In doing so, he completely missed that the Federation was not in fact a facist propaganda state but a society where citizens gain rights as they take on responsibility.
Still a fantastic movie but the director missed the point put forward by Heinlen by a country mile.
and in that he made his own thing with a differend message@@saviourself687
@@saviourself687 It absolutely IS a fascist state. It's just not a revolutionary fascist state. This is Nazi Germany, 200 years after they won WW2, and got rid of everyone they wanted to get rid of.
Why is it fascist? Well, it's not communist. It is one party rule. Voting and other rights associated with citizenship are gatekept by serving the party. Either you act as a civil servant, serving the party and furthering its power, or you serve in the military, and enforce its power.
Once you have the right to vote, you get to vote for the party. Everyone who doesn't actively work to entrench the parties rule, is a second class citizen.
This is all from the book.
It's post revolutionary fascism. Heinlein may not have realized that is what he was describing in his book, but that is what he was describing in his book. Basically, in the world Heinlein is describing, all the dissidents are dead, or sufficiently cowed that it no longer matters. It is an authoritarian state, where a single political entity holds absolute power. They allow voting much the way the Soviet Union allowed voting, the Communist party stood up pre-approved candidates for individual Soviets to choose from. In the book the economy is privatized (as it is in fascist states, so it isn't socialist or communist). The body politic (the people who get to vote) are fiercely nationalistic. The Terran Federation has no individual liberty because all liberty is derived from an inalienable right to vote.
This is text book fascism.
Think of it like this. You're a civilian in a society like this. You're a liberal (on the left). The party is conservative. You do civil or military service, in service of a conservative political party that governs a conservative state. Once you get the right to vote, you get to vote for conservative candidates that the conservative party stands up. You can flip this the other way if you like. You're conservative, and the party is liberal.
Again, this is text book fascism. Private ownership is king. Single party rule. Suppression of rights. Suppression of dissidents. This just isn't a fascism we recognize. The dirty parts of a revolutionary fascist state is over. In the past. Most likely white-washed. Nobody alive today in that state was alive when all the dissidents were rounded up and killed.
@@saviourself687 buddy I have some bad news for you about what fascism is
which is depressing because it completely goes over millions of people's heads (just look at this entire comment section)
This was too funny to watch. You two are like old lady's watching a soap. More worried about the relationships and gore than the story.. so sweet.
The satire was brilliant and a lot of people didn’t understand that part of the movie
The satire doesn't work once you pay attention to the background of the movie.
This is also based on a book and although the book is very different to the movie they are both great in their own right and it's worth the read, this movie is a classic underrated gem.
dont you wonder...after carmen stabed by the bugs he walking casually, seems alreafy healed🤣🤣🤣
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Yes. Marines are amphibious military similar to their land based Army counterparts so their jargon tends to mingle with Navy terms. And Mobile Infantry are often billeted in Fleet ships for extended periods between warzones just like classic Marines or Warhammer 40k Imperial Guardsmen.
In one of the news reels there was one saying about "Mormon extremists" setting up a camp on one of the planets, and that's basically what started it all as the bugs saw it as invading their territory.
Fun fact the props from this movie, especially the helmets and parts of the helmets uniforms show up all over movies and tv shows.
The director, Paul Verhoeven, is known for three things.
One, he likes to almost embrace the grotesque art form. He celebrates violence, gore, and blood to an almost absurd level as kind of an exploration of human reactions. He tries to flirt with a line of creating almost a comical amount of gore in a strange duality (how something can become so gruesome it becomes comical).
Secondly he is fascinated with the commercialization of information, advertising, and propaganda. He loves to include in-world “news” and advertising into his movies. Because he finds our society behaviors to these fascinating and he believes it grounds the world in realism as that is what real people spend their time watching.
Finally, as a person from The Netherlands who grew up in post-WWII he likes to explore the interplay of fascism vs nationalism, propaganda vs corporations, freedom vs national pride. He grew up under domination by NAZI lies, media, false pride, and control. And there is an almost strange line between going down the democratic path and the fascist path. This in this movie he is playing with that imagery as a satire. Most of the characters are blond hair, blue eyed. The flags and symbols are very hard geometric. The people are supermen with stronger jumping and mental abilities. The difference between civilian and citizens. The fact that all people in government and educational positions served in the military and help push indoctrination. The odd way that national responsibility has stamped out things like sexism and inequality (probably through force). It’s again exploring the duality of a fascist US-like world has some benefits, but with strange things consequences indicated only by the subtle behaviors of everyone.
Verhoeven didn't grow up in "post-WWII", he was born in 1938. The Nazis invaded the Netherlands when he was two.
@@edreppert3091 I think you generally count 5-25 as being the most influential on a person’s understanding of the world. I assume most of his views probably came when he was old enough to understand the aftermath and materials around him.
@@edreppert3091 I don't think Paul was examining the true violence and horror of the Nazis at age 2.
@@alexisborden3191 Probably not - but he was seven when the war ended, so had five years - formative years - of experience of them.
In a world full of carmens. Find yourself a dizzy.
I remember this watching as a teenager, that shit was wild. The effects made it feel so real. I mean even now in 23 it looks more than just okay. Love this movie!
Thanks for your reaction
This film is based on a 1959 novel of the same name by Robert Heinlein. I loved the movie and the book based on their own merits. Since you said you liked Ender's Game, check the novel out, however, it is vastly different from the movie, a serious tone and heavy on the philosophical aspects of society.
that is messed up, as the movie goes against everything the book stands for.
@@tyrant-den884 actually since Verhoeven didnt read the book, he was ignorant to its concepts and tried to parody what he thought the novel was about instead of what it actually is. Although he failed badly in that regard he nonetheless made a good sci fi film based on the superficialities and surface level understandings of the novel.
@@stuka80 if you let yourself think the book is any deeper than an old man complaining about "kids these days": you are too far gone.
@@tyrant-den884in other words, you either read the book and didn't understand squat about it or you didn't read the book and made a bunch of assumptions because some hollywood director who didnt read it said so. Either way, it makes you look like a complete clown.
Don't watch the sequels. Just stop here, lmao. Trust me.
Oh lord please don’t!
Im 1000% with you on Enders Game. That was a mockery of that great novel
true. i read the novel before. and the book was way better. while im not a book reader, its a shame when i see that there is only so many pages left it kind of threw the ending for me. but still the novel was fantastic.
@@liquidsn my biggest issue and one why they shouldn't have tried to adapt it, is that I believe the book happens over a period of a couple years, I believe. They forced it down into like a couple of months.
I mean there are stupid things as well, Bean being in the same launch as Ender, Petra joining them in that last battle, etc but that was the whole issue
One of the best film I watched in my youth. It make me more hyped when playing starcraft
So I had a friend that had a friend he was with in biology when they had to dissect a rabbit. And according to my friend this dude not only dissected the rabbit with no gloves he then skinned it and stuck his fingers through the eyeholes of the skin draping the skin over his arm and chased people around the classroom singing little bunny fufu. Apparently this dude was a real special guy.