22:54 Imagine being so desperate to be an influencer that you would destroy your child education and essentially their future. It’s so vile and disgusting. 35:03 and those are all things that a parent should already be doing with their children on top of school not instead of school.
@HannahAlonzo personally I thank you for doing these videos and showing among others what is wrong with society these days. Keep doing it please 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yesterday I literally had to dust off the ol’ pythagorean theorem, find the slope of a line, and use that slope to extrapolate the projected place of a point on that line. And who says traditional school curriculum is of no use in the real world? Haha…this sounds like a joke, but I actually did unironically did that 😂😂 (for context, I was writing/planning a crochet pattern)
Public educator here and of the parents that would call me a glorified babysitter who’s trying to indoctrinate and control their children… there are also many parents who respect my work as a professional. But that doesn’t rage bait people for views. I’ll never understand why that type of content feeds the algorithm
Or like… all the time? I’m so confused by this content because my child is 5 and just starting kindergarten and we’ve already been talking about all these things (buying food, cleaning the car, paying bills, etc) because they’ve all obviously come up already in her five years of life and will continue to be things we need to take care of… are these people just straight up not talking to their children at all when they do these things ? I just don’t really get it, mine literally never stops asking questions about everything lol but similarly her natural curiosity doesn’t mean I’ll know how to teach her how to read.
@@TheKnallkorperor literally when they get home from school.😂 like, do folks really think they need a gold star or to be considered a teacher because they talk to their own kids and answer their questions!??🤔😬
My biggest worry about "unschooling" is that it can be used to hide child abuse and neglect. Teachers and guidance counselors are legally required to report child abuse, and they can't do that if the parent pulls their child from school. Some kids only receive adequate food and care because of school. The child can be trapped in an abusive home, and no one would be able to tell, let alone do anything to stop it.
👏 Totally. I think that's part of why this "trend" (and how it's communicated by these adherents in a weirdly aggressive, conspiracy-thinking way) really angers me.
Yo. When she called her kid(s) her "downline" I snapped my face back to the screen bc I *knew* there would be a hearty serving of "the look". We did it at the same time, lol. I don't have children but have been slightly uncomfortable with family who talk about their kids as their "legacy" - feels like that kids life is more about the parent than the small human themselves (in some cases). But DOWNLINE? Maybe it was a slip up but still...yikes forever
The absolute irony of Kelsey Rhae not wanting her children to be indoctrinated to anything, but creating a group of women "who all think exactly the same" must be completely lost on her.
Same as the irony of “not wanting to report anything to the government” and then telling us one of the first things she’s gonna teach her kids is how to pay taxes
She needs to admit she's a dummy. Sorry. She is taking this all too personally. I work with troubled teens. I've seen educational neglect, amongst others. Your kid has to thrive in society, not under your bosom with no skills. It has to be rage bait. Unless we're reverting to being Indigenous?
In Switzerland, unschooling is completely illegal. After a number of days without your kid going to school, police come to your door. Your child can even be taken away from you. This is a very serious matter were I live, theses videos shook me.
It is not completely illegal, it is just very regulated (requirements vary greatly by canton). Each year, the DIP verifies that the children are receiving the proper education by administering exams. 20 out of 26 cantons require teaching qualifications for person doing homeschooling, children are monitored by the DIP (Département de l’instruction publique), which ensures the quality of the education provided. The DIP requires parents to submit a timetable with the exact amount of hours spent on each subject per week, who will be teaching them and what curriculum.
Just like everything in the US, it varies by state. In the vast majority of the country, you can’t just take your kids out of school without any oversight. In my state, homeschooled students must be tested and pass state level exams every year. They must also have lessons evaluated by a teacher every so often and signed off. My dad actually does that on the side (he’s a high school teacher). You must remember that tiktok is only showing an extreme minority. Most children in the US go to public school, and those that don’t, go to regulated private schools or homeschooling.
It’s so funny how that woman was like “I’m too busy to sign a slip of paper but I’m not too busy to make a hundred TikTok’s complaining about it and pull my kids out of school in order to prove a point” lol
We all know she didn’t want to go to court anymore for the absences that’s why they opt to the most lazy shit possible. At least homeschooling parents are trying. Unschooling people I feel doing some shady shit they don’t want the authorities to get wind of.
Also she’s against the government but if she’s driving she still needs to follow registration laws if she’s behind the wheel lmao yearly car registration, license, insurance lmao
I wanted to optimise my finances, so instead of working a job and sending my kids to school, I calculated that a million followers will bring me more money and that it's worth it even with a couple of (I assume very expensive) aquarium tripa
Right? My kid and I used to play “which is bigger” a game with positive and negative numbers in the car. I thought I was just a geek-parenting my geeky 5 year old. Turns out I was “unschooling” him.🙄
That feeling is so relatable that it should have a one word name. Like doing a "backaway" or something. "I entered a Facebook mom community and was misled by the written description, so I had to pull a Backaway" on those ladies."
This entire concept is so wild to me. Born and raised in Germany there is no other option than public or private schools. It’s actually a felony to remove your kids from school until after 9th grade. If parents don’t enroll their kids in school for whatever reason they have to pay fines of a couple thousand dollars a month and will, sooner or later, go to jail + lose custody of their kids because of child endangerment.
@@ginaesch7568 Children are absolutely required to be in school. K-12 is compulsory in the US. If you homeschool, you must still be registered within your school district or state that you are homeschooling (I believe). This is absolutely wild!
Homeschooling laws vary by states. Some state laws are very lenient in the sense that you state you’re homeschooling and that’s it. You don’t have to explain, list, or go into detail about what your personal homeschooling journey will consist of.
It's heartbreaking to witness this. Coming from a developing country, I've seen children sitting on makeshift clay chairs under the scorching sun, eager to learn from their dedicated teachers. I've watched girls being denied education simply because they are girls, yet still fighting to educate themselves by reading any book they can find. I've seen parents devastated because they can't afford to send their kids to school-not even to public schools. And now, seeing women in "the best country in the world" neglecting the immense opportunities they have for their children is truly disheartening. You have a government that prioritizes your children's education and safety, well-trained teachers ready to guide them, and the ability to send them to school regardless of financial struggles. This isn't just sad-it's child neglect, and it should not be allowed.
i think the eu does a much better job for education and for the children! this isnt me being eu vs us not at all is just from what i have heard from friends who live in usa and have kids, the system is great yes but the schools are very dangerous reports of attacks on schools everyday.
your comment is so on point - to have the privilege to be able to learn at a high level, by practiced professionals, and not even know it as a privilege, is heartbreaking.
Kelsey's viewpoint is the exact product of her own homeschooling and it's terrifying to see the cycle repeating itself bc she was never educated properly. If we don't know why we do things, then we don't do them and we run into the exact same problems that were previously solved by doing the thing we thought was pointless.
So far "unschooling" just sounds like the things I do with my kids outside of school. Just because they go to school doesn't mean I'm not constantly teaching them still. These people seem like awful parents.
Even that letter at the end, where it mentioned the "magical childhood" and listed all the things they did and how "there has to be some balance between traditional school and what I had". Well, that balance has already been struck for the majority of children. The rest of us just called all that free time where we did those exact same activities "after school, weekends and summer vacation".
Honestly like hearing what the first lady said about how her son came up to her, asked her questions and her response is "i make time to answer him as well as I can".. like, isn't that what you're SUPPOSED to do?!
Given that the second lady thinks of the public school system as free baby-sitting, she probably also thinks of parenting as barely keeping her children alive. This is scary.
This is exactly what we do after school. We go shopping together, we play at home with the shop, we work in the garden, we go for a walk in the forest, we read books, we make plasticine... after school
That little boy's notebook where he's scrawling random words broke my heart. It feels like he's crying out for what his mother is actively refusing to give him. Such deep sadness.
Seriously. I felt so bad for him too. Hopefully that mom is actually seeing that effort and in turn helping him progress and not just sitting back making him learn random words completely on his own. Just plain sad and in my opinion completely lazy and neglectful. I think it's embedded in any species...a mother especially... to want to help your child grow and thrive and that includes their education. We wouldn't expect our kids to figure out how to come up with their own groceries and meals.
Same when he was asking the "et cetera" question during her supposed meeting. Unless he was just being shy and quiet in that moment, his speech and sentence structure did not sound up to his age level, either. Kids need both teachers and peers to learn from.
@@annestrasko7581yeah it also seemed like the mom visibly bristled at her own child interrupting HER video; look closely at her mouth purse closed at the beginning of his interruption.
“I’m going to teach my kid how to buy groceries and be frugal and the difference between ’needs’ and ‘wants’ and go to museums and zoos” - girl, that’s called parenting, schools aren’t responsible for any of that and plenty of parents are capable of teaching their children all of those things without forcing their kids to be illiterate.
Yeah, they’re basically pissed off other people than themselves care about the wellbeing of their children. They’re accusing other people of wanting to”own” their kids when they themselves are creating conditions for their children that make them even more dependent on them than they already are, like they are their property rather than an individual that will have to survive in this world one day. Like, the public school systems around the world were established to get children out of child labour and help them elevate themselves. This one woman didn’t even go to public school and has no clue about, yet she’s wildly generalising and discrediting it, showing just how uneducated and unfit she is to be an educator to anyone. She literally degraded her son from getting an education to working as her personal assistant.
@@PinkMoonYTThis was our family's problem. We couldn't afford health insurance as a kid and we couldn't afford out of pocket visits unless we were REALLY sick. My mom would always send a signed note when I went back, but if they wanted an actual note, we would just take the unexcused absence because we couldn't afford to go to the doctor just for a note.
"We don't know what we don't know" is the perfect statement to take down the unschooling movement. Children have NO CONCEPT of what they might need to know or what they might want to learn without going through a more formal education process. I have no issues with homeschooling as long as the parents are following basic standards set for the target age group, but unschooling is putting too much trust into the child who has no concept of what is possible.
It is so unfair to the child. What are these "parents" going to say when their kids can't find a job or career or trade work? Are they going to blame their adult child and tell them, "Well, you didn't want to learn math or learn to read, etc. It is your fault!" Pure insanity.
@@lilunette9319 exactly. Even Kelsey Rhae said “some adults don’t know how to cook and at some point you have to stop blaming your parents!” She’s going to do the same to her kids. “You’re an adult now! Stop blaming me!”
Also a lot of unschooling families don't have a great idea of how to systematically educate a child with a scope and example sequence (for example learning to read involves first being able to identify letters and then identify letter sounds and then learning how to sound out words) so the parents just pawn off that responsibility on to the kids too.
@@soapygirl83it’s because they don’t respect teaching as a profession (“free babysitting”) So they have a hard time with those types of education practices, theory, and the general concept of learning foundation
It’s amazes me how these people don’t realize how good they have it here in the US. And I’m speaking as a US citizen but originally from Africa (Kenya). Here in public schools kids have the TOOLS to be anything they would want to be Engineer, Doctor, Nurse, Statistician, Actuary, Soldier, Lawyer…literally anything out there. All they have to do is take their a$&es to Sch…. Omg. The school bus even comes to get them for FREE!!! Then you have these newly minted influencers who most have no education and most are palm skinned with a giant mega phone telling parents to home school & unschool their kids. It’s FRIGHTENING. Also might I add that most Women of color working “black jobs” don’t have the LUXURY to work from home or have a thousands of dollars hustle from home where they can teach their kids. Both of my parents worked full time with my mom pulling in overtime, The school system suited our lifestyle & made me into the person I am. My background is Civil Engineering & I have moved from different countries till I settled in US & have been able to sustain myself.
As a former K-5 teacher, many children's interests aren't developed in a vacuum. It's through exposure to others that they discover new things. I had a child who became obsessed with isopods because another child had a stuffed animal keychain of one. Before that, he didn't even know what an isopod was.
Exactly!! And I think most adults can think back to a certain experience or social interaction that led them to the career and interests they have. None of us were born thinking “hmmm I should learn about car transmissions”.
@@TheSharna23 Very true. I definitely understand the urge to provide an environment where children have time to explore their own interests. However I struggle to understand why parents feel the need to abandon schooling in general to do so.
I’m a homeschooling mom (and happy to speak of the beauty of homeschooling on my channel), though we use a mostly Charlotte Mason method, I see a lot of beauty in unschooling and following your children’s interests. That said I think so many are confused about unschooling. I know a family of unschoolers, the oldest is now 15 and she’s the most well rounded, intelligent, as well as responsible young girl her age I know. People think that parents leave their kids to their own devices, when the philosophy literally promotes being in tune with your children and facilitating their education through their lead. Everyone attacked this poor mother for how her five year old wrote, but don’t know that in so many educational approaches including schools across Europe, copy work is not even a skill taught until children are ready for formal education which usually begins at age six. I think everyone needs to get off their high horse and get educated on what “unschooling” actually is.
@@NivesScottI think these women pretty clearly stated what they consider to be unschooling, which is legit parenting. I guess then we are all unschoolers? Who also send our children for extended education by educators? My son gardens with me, and plays outside, and grocery shops with me, and builds terrariums, and builds galaxies on his computer, and also attends 2nd grade.
I’m not even 3 minutes in and this video is blowing my mind…. I was “unschooled” but I didn’t realize it until just now because we CALLED it “homeschool.” I never even knew “unschooled” was like a separate category under homeschooling. I just thought for some reason my friends who were also “homeschooled” were actually learning things and I felt left behind. And I’ve related to the cliché traits that most homeschoolers relate too. Social awkwardness, lack of sex education, etc etc. But the homeschoolers who managed to get a good education always shocked me. I just assumed I was stupid and lazy because there was no structure to my learning. I BEGGED my parents to add structure, and they said that they would but never did. So I never had structure and I felt like it was my fault, MY responsibility: not my parents. This is such a scary topic. I think what people don’t realize is that homeschooling is not bad just in its own: HOWEVER not every family or set of parents are going to be good at raising a well-rounded child AND ,while some children do thrive in homeschooling, NOT everyone does thrive in that environment. The scary thing about it is that I THOUGHT I was homeschooled and I genuinely think my parents tried to educate me. However, they vastly overestimated their abilities at doing this and failed to see that I wasn’t learning what I needed too. That ON top of their own trauma and mental illness created a perfect situation where they didn’t have to educate me and it’s okay because I was learning on my own as needed! Do you see how fucking long this comment is? Do you see how I suck at summarizing and getting to the point? That’s literally just one example of how much a lack of an education fucked me up. I cannot do basic math without a calculator even though I understand the concepts. I absolutely suck at spelling and would NEVER get by without autocorrect/red underlines. The problem is that it’s so easy for well intentioned parents to end up “unschooling” their children EVEN IF their intentions are to “homeschool.” I know I’m just speaking from my own experience here. I know lots of people who homeschooling was amazing for. And maybe there are some people who did unschooling and it was great! Idk I think the problem is really parents assuming that they know what type of schooling is best for their child WHEN they are going off of their own fears instead what is actually good for that individual child to grow. And I’m making this comment NOT because I want anyone to feel sorry for me or to tell me how my parents wrong me (trust me, I am aware) BUT to raise awareness for people to realize how much this can fuck a child up because I’m an example of that. ALRIGHT THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK. Im literally only 2:43 into this video. God I’m not sure I’m ready for the rest 🤣🤣🤣 I might delete this comment if the rest of the video makes me feel stupid but we’ll see!
Your comment is tearing my heart out, you've expressed yourself excellently! Don't delete it - people need to know your experience! I think you are amazing for what you have survived and how far you've obviously come!
I didn't learn how to summerise properly until university in my 30's. If it helps, write out what you want to say then break it down into paragraphs. Read each paragraph and ask yourself what is the most important point you want to make? Write it as one sentence. That sentence summerises the paragraph.
You seem much smarter than you give yourself credit for, although I'm sure that's DESPITE what your parents did, not because.
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Just so you know: I relate 100% to everything you said. I was public schooled all my life. And I was good at it. Don't attribute all your "failures" to unschooling ;)
@@LemoniestLemonyLove Mika’s Rhetoric! She made me fall in love with philosophy specifically rhetorical analysis..but I didn’t see anything on her channel about unschooling maybe it’s just not on the title of a bigger vid?
Oh, stop it with the pile up!!! Everyone and their grandma is posting anti homeschooling paid propaganda atm. Yes, there are some extreme examples out there but pretending that school education hasn't gone down the drain is just silly. I am a teacher myself too and I feel like vomiting at what school, teachers and curriculums have become. I am dreading sending my only kiddo there and considering homeschooling for parts of it. Academically though he could read in two languages and do year 1 and 2 maths at 4, plus his side interests.
I was "Unschooled." My mother, unfit to parent if you ask me, took me out of school before I finished fifth grade, claiming she was going to homeschool me. I was, indeed, trapped in an abusive home. If you think of a "Hoarder home" think about it as 10 times filthier, mice and maggots frequented every room, the entire thing was what you'd see in a dump but with dirty walls around it. Literal mounds of trash and rot, I never had a bed, sleeping in that trash at one point as my broken dinette seat was sticking nails into my back. I was entirely neglected and verbally and emotionally abused. I became quite sick (now much sicker in my adult life with no insurance) due to the environment. Since I was sick, the short amount of time I was in school as a young child, I of course complained, and I was often late, so I was called in to talk to councilors and professionals, and my mother got mad about that, so she took me out of school I think solely because of that. I received no homeschooling. She scared me into never going outside, so people didn't see me or ask questions, by telling me (a 9 year old) that I would be arrested for truancy, so I couldn't leave. I'm now extremely agoraphobic. At one point CPS was called on us, I was told to hide so they couldn't see me while they looked in our windows. How they didn't flag what they saw inside of those windows as an immediate take-away I'll never understand. It was truly a hazard-suit level environment. I was stuck in a dump-fire-hazard-maggot home with a mother that neglected me, didn't believe in doctors, so I didn't get vaccines, made me put cayenne pepper in my eyes to make them brighter, all while she was _proud_ of her "unschooling" me. I learned how to work an oven properly at 8 years old so I could make myself food. I didn't own shoes or socks until I was 21 years old. Due to both physical and mental health problems stemming from so much trauma and being raised in a TERRIBLE living situation, I unfortunately am basically useless. I'm so sick I can't do much but I try, I'm so mentally ill I'm actually beginning to lose my mind. I've gotten to a point where I speak gibberish that feels like someone else is speaking through me and I have barely any mind and my short term memory is abysmal. Constant unsafety for my entire life has now resulted in me having the unfortunate experience of watching my partner's face fall as he realizes that I'm actually going insane and there's nothing we can do about it. It's my opinion that unschooling is for parents that don't feel they are responsible to invest in their children's lives. It probably ranges from people who feel the need to have babies but don't really think about the human that baby will become, to people who have pregnancies and babies just for attention and don't care afterwards, people who think babies and toddlers are cute and fun but as soon as their child gets a personality they want to bow out... in any case, all people who aren't fit to be parents. I'm not giving my story for sympathy so much as trying to warn people that you don't HAVE to have children. You shouldn't bring a whole person into the world on a whim. Things don't always work out the way you plan, of course, but please be absolutely certain you will give your all and never stop trying to give your child a good life. If you think you can just have a child and it will learn on its own while you eff off and do your own thing, just do your own thing while not neglecting a person that depends entirely on you. Your child is not a room mate. I was basically just "there" in my house. I was never taught anything, especially not how to be a person. I've chosen not to have children because I'm not financially, mentally or physically stable and that is the ONE responsible thing I can do. Even if you know you'd love that child with all of your heart, beyond the neglect and abuse I spoke of, it's okay that you don't because you may be unable to. It may be better for that yet-existing child if they don't have to go through something like that. If you're on the fence, TRULY think about it. Think about their entire life and where you'd be going through it. I apologize for the very long comment, but people need to think about this and it's something I actually have perspective and experience with. This is just a very tiny sum of what I went through. I did my best to make it coherent, but it probably goes all over the place. I hope that anyone who may have read this has a lovely day, a wonderful life and great luck for the rest of this. I'm still as bright and happy as I can be every day and at the very least, I have my art to work on and a very loving partner who laughs with me all day long.
I applaud you and thank you for sharing your experiences so candidly. I support your well self-informed decision to not become a mother, as you state that your mental, emotional, and physical health is not adequate to meet the demands that raising a child would require. I find it incredibly upsetting that you and any others like you, have had to go through a childhood similar to this. I find this not only a complete parental disregard for their child's education, but also criminal child endangerment, criminal child neglect, and criminal mental and emotional abuse. I would not fault you if, as an adult now, you have no relationship with your mother at all. Most Sincerely, Renée Suzanne
Thank you for sharing & coming from a not great home situation as well, I relate to how you feel about not every person is meant to be a parent and many people even weaponizing parenthood for their own vanity or ego-driven reasons. But you also deserve now to live a life that makes you personally happy in whatever ways that means for you. I hope you find peace. 💕
I love how Kelsey said she was going to do “so many things” with her son but the entire reason she pulled him out of public school was because she couldn’t handle signing a piece of paper once per day.
Her kids are going to be raised by UA-cam. It's heartbreaking. If you can't find time to teach your child 'life skills' in the 185 days of the year they are not in school, perhaps the problem is you, not the school system.
This. I am getting the strong impression these people don’t like the fact that other people care about the wellbeing of their children. Seems like they’re projecting when they accuse others of wanting to “own” their children. I think they consider their children *their* property that no one’s supposed to “take away”. That’s why they create conditions for their children that makes them even more dependent, i.e. isolate them.
Child lead learning is basically you being a parent and embracing your child’s interests in addition to school. Like during evenings, weekends, school breaks, holidays, summers, excused days, excused family trips, etc. There is plenty of time to take your children to zoos, museums, beaches, etc outside of school while not hindering their education
Yes! We supplement our kids public school education with extra lessons and experiences that are important to our family i.e. self care, media literacy, household tasks, etc.
This is what gets me with the rhetoric around homeschooling, where people say it's better than traditional school as it's hands-on and involved trips, etc. When I was growing up my mum just did that with us on the weekends, there's no reason why it can't be done alongside traditional schooling! I remember going to museums and historical locations to learn about different parts of history, I remember going to science museums, etc. and it all supplemented my school learning instead of replacing it.
@@ArvakWell, HS kids do better than public school kids and it is faster so there is even more time for the child to explore interests and to do those other things.
@@EgoBrain1 Give me the studies (and not the ones that are volunteer-based, please, those have an extremely obvious bias. I want breakdowns by income, ethnicity, nationality, state, religion, and parental and child age groups.
As an autistic person, I have particular concerns about the child-led side of this. Absolutely, parent your child and answer their questions as they arise, alongside a broad general education. But what if your child is (possibly undiagnosed) autistic and has a very fixed, singular special interest? Do you really spend twelve years focused entirely on squirrels, or cement mixers, or whatever and not nudge them towards anything else???? Admittedly, this would be an extreme scenario - some of us have no particular focus, others have several at once, or a succession of interests over time. However, extremes do happen. This whole thing seems like a recipe for disaster.
If I were unschooled in elementary school, I absolutely would have spent 2 years learning about nothing but fairies. That certainly would have been an experience
@@hurraynature7449 Sounds like it! I think I'd have done a couple of years of Tutankhamun and then a good, long spell on canals. Varied, but maybe not the most productive.
Yes that's a good point. I have an autistic son who likes playing games. He could talk about games all the time. But it wouldn't be good if he sit all the time by the computer at this age. He can go to programming school later on and become a professional game developer. But without school, he wouldn't know how to communicate with real people. It's not the matter of just therapy, but day to day play, solving issues, waiting for his turn, listening etc. His friend is also autistic, focuses on fishing and is very good, but weekends and hilidays is plenty of time to do that.
My kid was obsessed with 5 Nights at Freddy’s for a year and a half… there’s only so much you can teach a 7-year-old about animatronics and running a food service business 😂
I love this comment!! My kids are currently 6 months into the same obsession and that's all I could think of.. is if I allowed my kids to lead their education all they would learn about is UA-cam, video games, and FNAF and maybe occasionally Gabby's DollHouse and shark dogs 😅 I mean yes sometimes the get curious about something useful, but most of the time if you allow a kid to decide what they want to do and learn, it's not going to be anything truly educational or helpful.
My five year old is obsessed with it and he’s not allowed to play the games or watch the movies or watch other people play them. 😂 he’s gleaned a lot from my modest fnaf merch collection and eavesdropping and UA-cam videos of FNAF Minecraft he sneaks in between his regular Lego videos.
When i was 18, in a small start-up college, i ran into my first experience with unschooled kids. A girl who was mad at the rest of the kids for being silly trolls put swastikas on all of our dorm doors as a 'warning'. After the initial freak out reaction, we realized she had NO IDEA the implication of what she did, because she never learned about WW2 or Nazi Germany or any of it. That's when i knew unschooling was legitimately dangerous for kids in the real world. She also immediately got roped into an mlm at 18 and it took over her life. I don't think her parents did her any favors.
Sorry, but on the other side of that.... I had a coworker one time that got mad at me because I put the famous Elvis "TCB" with the lightening bolt sticker on my car. Me and this coworker had become friends. Hanging out after work, going to the gym together, going to parties together, having dinner at each other's houses, etc..... Suddenly, she started to act differently around me and was distancing herself. I finally bluntly confronted her. She said it was because of the new sticker I put on my car. She believed that the lightening bolt on my sticker was the Nazi symbol and I was a racist. (Did I forget to mention she was half black and homeschooled most of her life.) I had to school this 28 year old woman about Elvis AND H!+ler'$ Nazi signs.
It‘s not even the education the child needs, a child DESERVES education. How incredibly selfish must a person be to deny their own child knowledge they know they can’t provide
I’m not even sure these parents know they can’t provide it. Smh These are the know it alls of the world, and “the government is trying to control us”. They have no idea what they don’t know.
I have a kid with ADHD and a speech disorder in the public school system. All of the progress he's made is BECAUSE he goes to public school and has access to specialists who do work I'm not qualified to do. (Also, his hard work ❤) The school system is absolutely flawed and I have my qualms but what these people don't acknowledge is that the good (generally) outweighs the bad. Teaching is such an underpaid and undervalued profession.
I was unschooled in an abusive household and at the age of 19 when I went to get a GED, I found out I had a 3rd grade education and couldn’t pass the test. I’m now 29 and a college graduate, but it took so much longer than it ever should have. Don’t do this to your children. I waisted my 20s catching up. I learned to read by texting at age 12 when I got a free Obama phone from the government. I have no self esteem whatsoever because I still think I’m stupid.
you are NOT stupid. being a college graduate is an insane accomplishment and please know that. i don’t know you but i’m proud of you and i’m so sorry for how you grew up. congrats for getting out of it ❤
My child was diagnosed with a severe and rare type of epilepsy. It has caused a ton of developmental delays that THE SCHOOLS have provided amazing recourses. We arent a super well off family, so having these resources provided to us is beyond helpful! It also helps me understand my child better and where he is at academically and how I can help him IN ADDITION to school
As a special need teacher thank you for your appreciation! I love that you mentioned that school helped you to understand who to help your child in addition to school, this is something we try everyday but most parents are not interested or thinks they know better.
My youngest daughter is autistic. High functioning, but she still needed help. Her team was incredible. They followed her through all 12 grades, was the loudest cheering crowd in the arena at graduation, and she made it through college, and is now an imaging technologist at a large medical center in our city. She knocked that whole thing out of the park and we couldn't have done it without that team of therapists and paraeducators. I will be forever grateful to them.
@@lacromabianca942 My youngest was helped by the best team of teacher, therapists, and paraeducators. I don't think I could have paid out of pocket and received the same care. They were tireless, never gave up on her, and pushed her to be her best self. I couldn't have done it without them.
My close friend was diagnosed with Crohn’s BECAUSE her teacher noticed something was wrong. She told my friend’s parents to investigate this with a doctor. She’s forever grateful a teacher looked out for her like that.
Omg unschooling is the worst - I was unschooled up until high school and it was MISERABLE. If you ever want to interview an unschooling survivor, let me know! 💜
Even homeschooling can only be done properly if the parents have plenty of resources and energy to create social interactions. Unschooling sounds to me like a parent who just doesn't care (even if they claim they do). A parent with only selfish reasons would choose to say they prefer unschooling. I would be very interested if she interviewed you and to hear your personal experience on it since my opinions right now are just based on assumptions (I haven't finished watching the video yet).
I’m sure someone else said what I’m about to say but what also stood out to me about the apples is that just because something has a lower price doesn’t mean it’s always actually cheaper than the most “expensive” version. How many ounces does the item have, or how many apples per bag? You get the point. That bag could be cheaper because it has less apples than its more expensive counterpart.
“ I’m going to teach my son how to cook, grocery shop, and how to handle money”. Like that literally is just parenting and stuff you should be teaching your child. This baffles me. I really wish my dad were still alive so I could show him this.
And she didn't even tell the child to focus on the price per kilo, not the price per package. You always need to see if the packages are of similar size for the price to be comparable!!
My husband just said "this UA-camr has got a complete grip on you. I have not seen you watch another person in the past 3 days". He's not wrong. Little does he know I'm so obsessed with your videos right now that I am THIS early to an upload. 😂😂
@@HannahAlonzo I found you a little less than two weeks ago. You along with another commentary channel are my go to channels now ❤. Very informative as well as extremely entertaining 😃. Keep up the good work. Yes Kiki chanel is the other channel lol. I might end up binge watching all these videos this week. Ok be well Hannah 👌🏻
I love the irony of that "school is made to make children conform" and "I wanted to build a community of people that think the same" are sentences uttered by the same person.
Thinking the same got me too. One of the reasons I want my kids at school is so that they see a role model who doesn't have the same cognitive biases that I do.
One of the moms says “Someone says what if he wants to be a lawyer or a doctor. I’m not one of those so why would he want to be??” My parents are a teacher and an electrical engineer. My oldest brother is in finance, my second oldest brother is a carpenter, third oldest brother is in the military and wants to be a lawyer after his time is served. I wanted to be a doctor but am in my masters right now for stem cell biology, now I’m looking into biotech and pharmaceuticals. Our parents and the public school system gave us the opportunities to dip our toes into different subjects to find our passions. Her child will never get that opportunity. (Oh, and I learned basic life skills because my parents were active parents even both working full time jobs + second jobs)
As a child of a manipulative mother, Kelsey’s tone of voice is sincerely terrifying for children who experience anxiety. It sounds rushed, frustrated. I feel so sorry for these children. I hope they are able to become independent, beautiful people once they’re able to think for themselves.
I died of laughter when the one girl said about why school were formed and how they are bad. My great grandpa grew up like a pioneer, born in the 1920s in the country and i was lucky to have him till i was 24 years old he taught me about his experience and what he learned from his father, who was born in the 1860s. He told me that even if you wanted to go to school, they had to miss school sometimes to farm or hunt so their families could survive. School is a privilege our kids have now that kids didn't always have. They were doing hard labor & he only got grade 10 and was lucky enough because he was so smart to do an equivalency test and go to university and became an accountant. He was one of the lucky ones. These people don't understand what the world USED to be like.
I think my dad was taken out of school fairly young to work on farm. He was the oldest, born in 1931. He did ok in life. But not saying you don't need proper education. That's the way it was back then, his family was German immigrants.
perfect insight on this! school is a privilege! These homeschooling, unschooling seem really american and as someone from another country Iit always seems to me like some americans have too many privileges and too much time so they end up making up problems where there wasn't any... not to say it's not ok to question thing and how things are done, that's healthy, but to say you are better equipped to teach your precious baby better than people going out there and studying a lot to do it, because your baby needs more time with mommy and daddy is wild. I think schools can be very toxic due to bullying and etc, but kids need to socialise, learnto coexist with different ideas and cultures and need to learn other worldviews and skills you are not equipped to teach.
Actually harvest season is why we have summer break. It was so kids could spend all day on the farm during the busy time of year, harvest. Most kids did not go to school past 5th grade. That being said, they were also far better educated than we are today. Have you ever seen a 5th grade math book from the 1800s? It's Algebra and geometry. Smaller classes with kids of all ages teaching each other. Having to teach is a great way to learn. The teacher in the room oversaw everything as well as taught lessons to the older kids who would teach lessons to the younger ones. This is just how it worked backed them. All forms of education have plusses and minuses. However, when they are done correctly the goal is a well rounded young adult. Some public schools are a true nightmare and others are wonderful, just like some private and homeschooling, and alternative schools. These are examples of the wrong way.
@StartwithDawn yes some of the schooling might have been better, but not always. They had one class and therefore, many lessons at once instead of classes today focusing on one level or two, which helps for better understanding & my grandfather would tell me they missed much more school then just summer, you had hunt in fall and get a buck to survive the winter. You'd be lucky to go regularly or if you survived to adulthood (they often had many kids cause many would die before adulthood and for helping on the farm). My great grandparents saw many people die in the great depression of the 30s. An orange was a treat at Christmas. They were not even nourished enough for proper development at that time. Our kids now don't have work like young people back then. So we are more privileged than back then, all kids know how to read and write which wasnt case back then. & I agree schools are bad in some ways, I too was bullied as a child but education is still so important. My point is, no matter how school is done we are all educated and education is a good thing.
My grandmother grew up in a poor rural village in China where nobody went to school. She learned only what her parents knew and then fled persecution during the Cultural Revolution. She remained illiterate and spoke in a dialect I couldn't understand. Only her children knew what she was saying, and she was entirely reliant on them for everything. She never left home because was afraid of the city, but she loves cooking and makes very heartwarming meals. That's unschooling right there. Unschooling has been the default for most of human history but these influencers are making it sound novel. They say this because they themselves are uninformed but are confident as heck (Dunning Kruger effect). And then they get hold of an iPhone and start talking nonsense on the internet without even realizing that the internet itself can never be built by unschooled people. Oh the irony.
My thoughts exactly. Unschooling is what poor people in rural areas around the world did and still do.. not send their kids to school due to lack of money or even no schools nearby. Today, in a place where public schools exist, it's just child abuse imo. They take away their children's opportunity to make something out of themselves.
I‘m SO glad that this is forbidden in my country. Where I live it’s compulsory to send your kids to school and if they don’t go, there will be consequences leading up to taking the children out of their family in extreme cases. I work as a school psychologist and you won’t believe how bad some parents can be for their child. And making a freaking trend out if it makes me sick. Why is something like this still legal in developed countries??
That grocery trip footage made me feel so uneasy. She was talking AT her child, not asking questions, not explaining or involving him in the process at all, just saying, “this is what you wanna do.” As a teacher, I could spot TONS of missed opportunities for learning just in that tiny clip. She TOLD him to buy the whole pineapple because it was cheaper than the sliced, but she could have had him read and compare the prices himself. She counted the produce in the cart instead of inviting her toddler to do so. She told them to check the strawberries for mold, but could have had a conversation asking him about the qualities and properties of the strawberries, explaining what mold is, etc. Even though I DON’T think a trip to the grocery store is a sufficient replacement for a proper math curriculum, she didn’t even take advantage of the learning opportunities therein! And she thinks herself a better teacher than the schoolteachers! It’s just shameful and so upsetting. These poor babies.
I attended high school with an UnSchooled kid. She was borderline illiterate at 16 and struggled with basic math. She only graduated when she did (about six months after the rest of our class) because she attended summer school, zero hour, night AND weekend classes to make up for all the credits she was missing since middle school. She also hired me and other classmates to tutor her in English, Science and Math so she’d keep up with the regular courses.
@@javaadaros From what I’ve seen through my classmate, she resented her mom. She was only allowed to attend school after she moved out of her mother’s house and into her dad’s when he was awarded full custody.
@@MissGreenTeaLady Spite is a powerful motivator lol. Based on my limited interactions, her mom’s an odious, egocentric individual. I’m still baffled that such a pleasant and determined young woman came from that kind of person.
"I don't want them to spend 8 hours at their desks; they need to learn real skills to prepare themselves for the adult life," she says, as if the majority of our adult lives is not spent sitting at our desks and working.
To her, working is scamming people, trying to run unpermitted Airbnbs, and posting suggestive content online regardless of whether it is situationally appropriate.
@@mhawang8204 The full quote is: "You learn how to sit down, pay attention and do what you're told..." Show me a job that doesn't require at least one of those things. Even if you're an influencer, you still have to pay attention and be on your phone (often while sitting down).
As a child free woman, when I hear things like “unschooling” all I hear is “I regret having kids because I didn’t know there would be so much work.” Like wtf is happening.
@@mlee1285yeah, I think of it more like they don’t want them in public school, but homeschooling is too much work so they create this other thing to cover their ridiculousness.
My parents were drug addicts and I missed about 50% of schooling Kindergarten through 8th grade. They started doing better in my high school years but I was struggling so much. Mainly with the social aspect. After moving countless times and being the “new kid” at 13 different schools I pretty much gave up. If it wasn’t for a super supportive administration and the school psychologist that basically adopted me I wouldn’t have graduated. My son has had perfect attendance for as long as he’s been in school. He’s a star student. He makes it look like a cakewalk. These parents have NO IDEA how incredibly privileged they are.
I feel sorry for you, but I'm curious: how is it possible? In my country unschooling is illegal and if a kid skips school too often he or she can be pulled out of the family... Like, nobody cared?..
@@ЕкатеринаАн-у3б Yep.. I was in an out of foster care. And when you miss enough school they start taking the parents to court etc. etc. so people and systems were involved but I think they tried working with my parents a lot before taking us away.
Every second I had to watch Kelsey Rhae's videos, my ears hurt. She's so negatively loud and disruptive. After her videos, listening to your voice calmly speaking facts is heaven 😭
Learning how to regulate the volume and pitch when one speaks is one of the added benefits of a formal education ("Please use your indoor voice."). Something that's been lost on that lady.
It just shows how knowing information doesn't mean you know how to teach the information. I learned that the hard way when I became a parent, when my first started asking me questions like, "Mommy, what are taxes?" I know what taxes are, but how do I explain the concept in a way a 4 y.o. would understand? Or how do you get a kid to understand that just because this glass of water is taller does not mean it has a larger volume than the other? I would also like to add that during that shopping trip, she kinda taught her kid an incorrect concept, or at least an incomplete one. The lowest price on the tag isn't always the best price. It's the lowest $/lb, or $/oz, or $/unit. For example, the 1 lb bag of oranges is $2, but the 3 lb bag of oranges is $5. Which is the best price? A little kid will always say the $2 bag.
Of course she had to rush him, she's an 'influencer' and a 30-second pause (think about that - 30 seconds!) would be too long for her followers that they'd click away. Once again she sacrifices her children for her own prejudices and ignorance.
These moms talking about all these topics they're going to teach their kid while "unschooling" are literally just describing what any good parent should be teaching their children. Those skills have nothing to do with academics, however, and that is why school exists. Also, us homeschoolers do not want to be mentioned in the same breath as "unschooling." We don't claim you
@@margaridamdl In the US, your child has to be in school or you will get in trouble legally. If you want to homeschool or Unschool, you have to submit paperwork and whatever else the state requires. Each state has its own set of rules, some are stricter than others. New York has crazy strict rules, Taxas has little to none. It varies by state.
I'm in the US, and it's bonkers to me. Structured, well done homeschool/online school can be a great option (for instance, the kid is being bullied). But this unschooling crap is a fucking nightmare.
teachers are not here to teach your kid life skills. That is your job as a parent. They are here to teach the core skills, reading, math, science, etc. She's just parenting.
+1,000, preach, sing it, amen, etc. When Kelsey Rhae started in on the schools being there to teach life skills rather than academic curriculum, I got stabbed in the eye by a red flag popping out of my screen. My mom was a teacher for almost 40 years total. When I was in college or so, I'd hear some of her stories from the job and reply with versions of, "I'm getting the impression that parents expect you not to EDUCATION their kids but to RAISE their kids." Bear in mind, these were conversations from the early 1990s here. Thus, those kids are now roughly the age of - wait for it - Kelsey Rhae. So small wonder that we're suddenly experiencing a throng of TikTok moms and dads whose view of the education system is so badly skewed. We're now at least two generations deep of a severe misunderstanding of what schools seek to accomplish. Also, WTF elementary schools have kids in school for eight hours a day? I work at a high school, and the school day is only six hours, not counting the lunch break. Hard for me to believe elementary schools have longer rather than shorter days than that. The irony is that elsewhere on TikTok right now are people who have entered the world of work/adulting for the first time, and they're undergoing a culture shock from the eight-hour work day. So clearly the school days were shorter for them. Yet another example of how badly Kelsey and others like her are completely talking out of their asses.
Agreed. Thats called parenting. However; I will say when I was in high school I took an elective called “Life Skills” that taught us how to interview, how to apply for jobs, write cover letters, how to read credit card statements, how to balance your checkbook, and the basics of taxes and it was incredibly helpful to work on those skills in a classroom setting with peers and having practicing interviews etc. I graduated in 2013 and I wish everyone had even known that elective was even offered. We got to ask our teacher about anything we were confused about- like how to apply for loans or something like that without fear of being lectured by a parent. As an adult and new mom I wish I had also taken some sort of home economics that was no longer offered while I was in school.
It's ironic that she says she wants to build a community of women that think alike.... but doesn't want her child to "conform to what the government wants them to learn".
@@cordeliacullen2621it’s not legal in my state, and we are in the top five worst public education in the nation, so that says a lot. I don’t understand how people are getting away with this. If you have children and aren’t reporting education standards to the state, they will arrest your ass and get the kids somewhere else
@@aKBnB I've noticed some "van life" parents do unschooling. With no fixed address, there's no one to report to. They are basically child abusers on the run.
@@yeeyeeyeeyeOh stop. Many millions of ppl have been successfully HSed without abuse. It happens while ppl are in public school, as well. You're using rare cases to try and demonize parents taking control of their own kids education instead of giving them to the state.
Yeah you said it perfectly right. Unschooling is basically just parenting. The parenting that happens outside of school every single day. This is so unreal it makes me wanna shake those people.
I know so many parents from my coop who unschooled and the results ranged from poor reading skills to poor math and science skills. The major advantage of homeschooling is that the students can complete all the daily assignments in 3hr to 4hr freeing up time to focus extracurricular activities. My youngest did dance 5x/week.
So, if they are now calling good ol parenting "unschooling" and acting like this is a new concept to them, what were they doing before? Because if they were *actually* parenting their kids, they would know that "unschooling" is not different.
I homeschool my three kiddos and never in a million years would I call public school “free babysitting”. We have our personal convictions for why we homeschool, but I have the utmost respect for teachers-dare I say more than the average person because as the role of educator for my kids, I know it’s not easy. Anyway-thank you for highlighting the differences in unschool vs homeschool. Our day is very structured between our core curriculum and enrichment, plus our local homeschool groups and extracurriculars. I can’t imagine leaving my kids to fend for themselves with their education.
you seem like very responsible parents 👏🏻. In Spain, we don’t have the option of homeschooling but even as a teacher myself I can understand why some people in the US take this path. But as you say I never get why there is this need of undermining school. Thank you for your words ❤
Yes. Understanding the difference is critical. Homeschooling still follows specific curriculum, has structure and it's a full time job for parent. Thank you for the comment!
It's important to remember in this debate that a lot of parents choose to homeschool because they take their child's education VERY seriously. Your approach sounds wonderful 💝
Hannah, i think your opinion is spot on here. I was homeschooled by my dad who is a physicist and a DEVOTED, DISCIPLINED parent. I had that magical childhood coupled with the ability to achieve what i wanted in my life and career. But i DO NOT RECOMMEND you do this unless you are determined, disciplined, and really enjoy your children and their company. I love homeschooling but unschooling it's just laziness. A kid CANNOT tell you what they don't know because they DON'T KNOW IT! You have to introduce things, teach reading, math, science, music etc. Discipline to do things you don't want to do IS a life skill and you learn it primarily in school.
Your last point is spot on!! I remind my students that that is part of my class and part of life! Sometimes the best lesson students gain from a course (especially one they don't like) is a skill that will benefit them later on.
@@deborahcombs1631 educated and open minded about things you don't know. If somebody really is determined to teach their children all by themselves, even with cirruculum, they should be ready to learn by themselves, because "I do remember something from my school days" is not enough. Kids thrive the most by asking questions and they need answers. Also, parents should be open to say "I don't know".
*Crazy* how my 3 kids are all in public school 40 hours a week and ALSO in sports, come to the grocery store with me, garden with me, and know life skills. 😂
I’ve had nothing but a bad experience in public school🤷♀️ my daughter hated it because of all the weird kids talking about cutting themselves and woke teachers. I put her in a private Christian school and so far she’s liking it. My son is autistic and public school has been a nightmare. So consider yourself extremely lucky.
I was in school even more than that (L to F from 8am to 5 pm and sometimes even longer) and I also did all that OUTSIDE of school 😂 We also travelled the word, know how to play an instrument and participate in PLENTY of cultural experiences (museums, festivals, artisans fairs…)
Don’t run them into the ground though. My partner has a mother that sounds like you and it was detrimental tal to his mental health. Literally made him attempt his life.
So... she was homeschooled, admits she was behind, began doing drugs as a kid, and became a felon by 16. But she knows better than teachers with graduate degrees. You'd think she'd want everything for her kids that she missed out on. Like an education.
sorry to ask this but english is not my first language and all the comment about downline made me question what you are supposed to say instead like i know instantly that its the wrong word but i am not sure about what i should say
There is this business model called multi level marketing, mlm for short. It's basically a pyramid scheme. You get people to sign up under you, they are called your downline. You are the upline. Your downline has their own downline, so on. So calling the kids downline seems like he's calling them her customers instead of her family
My parents did this to me. Unschooling is truly evil and I will die on this hill. It has held me back in more ways than I could possibly even fathom. Do not do this to your children. Shame on those who do.
When the second woman is talking about what she's going to teach her child ( 35:07 ) the look on her face just shows that this is one of the first times she's thought about the things that she as a parent should be teaching her child 🫠
I am no expert at all I just watch true crime stories from time to time but I have heard so many instances ot this happening and the school does little to nothing which ends up hurting the child. That’s why these rules are in place, for the “rare” cases like these
A child having bad attendance at school is a good indicator of neglect, abuse, or other mistreatment in the home. And much more likely than the kidnapping example given in the video. Forcing attendance means vulnerable kids get education, food, and care that they may not get at home. It's a life changing opportunity for a child who's parents don't care.
i was homeschooled and had an incredible experience because my mom did her research, gave us each specialized attention, put my siblings in school who benefitted better from a public education, went out of her way to socialize us with people our age, and on top of that taught us the life skills that a typical parent should teach. “unschooling” being seen or even mistaken as lazy homeschooling upsets me because it gives homeschooling a bad name and discredits the work parents like my mom put into our education.
As a homeschool Mom, it bothers me that people assume that unschooling is almost synonymous with homeschooling bc I homeschool my 5yo and I work my butt off to make sure he’s being challenged properly. We work with curriculums, set goals, and work for hours every week. Thank you for understanding the difference!
Exactly. I bought into "unschooling" (not the way it's depicted here nor out of laziness) for a time but it absolutely did not work for our family. We now have a full blown curriculum, high standars, rigor, consistent routine and discipline. Guess what? My kids are much more excited to learn and ARE!
These parents are jeopardizing their kid's futures to the point of no return. We've seen the effects of the pandemic years on schooling and that was just a couple of years. Imagine the effects of no formal schooling for all your formative years, this is horrifying. Teaching your kids things they're curious about is great, but they need that formal education for their futures!
@@RenayOpishThis idea that HS kids lack socialization is a nonsensical stereotype. This isn't decades ago. They actually get a broader range of socialization. They're typically in HS groups, numerous extracurricular activities, etc. Research shows they score above average on social and emotional development.
Legit or that these skills aren't covered in different ways at school too! I teach 5-6 year olds and we do a lot of life teaching like how manners, how to ask for things you want, how to communicate your feelings with others, set boundaries etc. We create opportunities for children to find and follow their interests, we encourage them to learn outside and experience nature.
THANK YOU. This is like... Regular life/weekends for us ...museums, gardens, chores, cooking, money, sports, music...😅 and my kids attend public schools 🤷🏼♀️
As a nurse, I often see people overlook the importance of a doctor's note. Many forget why it’s crucial for helping your child's school provide the right support. In Kelsey's case, it also prevents misuse of sick leave policies, which can help her avoid future problems, like her child being removed from school permanently. It's essential for tracking your child’s health and managing serious concerns. It’s surprising how some people dismiss the importance of a doctor’s note and get upset when schools request one. From my perspective, I understand its significance and realize that not everyone has the same level of knowledge, which may make me seem biased. Jesus H. Christ! Did we get the whole story of her crime? I noticed she's now marketing herself as a success story on her socials. I am loving your work!!!! I’ll be back later-I’ve had enough of the internet for today, lol.
Former teacher with an MAT here. Kids. Need. Structure. Elementary teachers are largely saints. My sister is doing homeschooling with a curriculum and some online classes and how she manages to keep that good structure up, I don’t know. But yeah, she and public/private elementary teachers do customize the curriculum to the needs and interests of the kids, but structure is extremely necessary. Also, “a community of people who all think the same” could also be called… a cult.
@@ashleydavid8997 Yes, but you've overlooked the key part here, which is that they all think the same, thus the allusion to a cult. A real community includes people with varying perspectives and opinions.
@@ashleydavid8997 a community doesn’t generally demand thinking exactly the same, and would rather have discussions between people with differing opinions. A high-control group/cult demands that, as demonstrated in the BITE model. The T stands for thought control.
Just so I get this right, I heard due to her not being in school and being loosely “homeschooled” led her to drinking and drugs which led to being a felon at 16 and not having a career/job in her adult life. She now is choosing to do the same with her kids because it worked so well for her. Got it!
One might say her ignorance of all the ways this could go wrong for her kids might be directly related to the fact that she herself didn’t get a decent education… which would also explain the fact that all the above would not be obvious to her in the first place 🤦🏻♀️
To me unschool parents come across as people who absolutely hated school for a variety of reasons and now refuse to ‘deal with it again as adults. It’s incredibly selfish to assume the system will fail their kids as well without giving them a chance
I only know one family that tried unschooling, and that was definitely the case with them. I can't speak for others. But thankfully, they realized that their child learned nothing during his year of unschooling, and they put him in school the following year. I can't imagine how behind he would have been otherwise. What's really ironic about that situation is that, for all these people talk about life skills, the child I know has like zero life skills. He didn't even learn to tie his shoes til he was 10 or 11. I tried to tell him to make himself a PB&J (at 12 y.o.), and he was like, "I don't know how. Can you do it for me?" Meanwhile, my public school child (8 y.o.) has some basic knife skills and has been learning how to cook. He uses the stove and everything.
Well to be fair the system is failing the kids, they're failing mine. Hell they've failed mine on an educational level & most recently on a safety level. That being said I have mixed feelings on both unschooling and homeschooling.
I loved school, I used to be a teacher but I now unschool my autistic daughter. The education system, in the UK at least, IS failing. My daughter was at a lovely school but the system as a whole is not set up for ND kids.
in my country, Poland, homeschooling is an option almost EXCLUSIVE for particular reasons like a child seriously sick, too often absent to attend classes, never heard of homeschooling a healthy child/teenager that leaves nearby their whole life...
my favourite part is at 35:12 when she says "we're going to be doing lots of sports...cause we will now have time to do so" when most sports clubs for kids start after school finishes. on account of, y'know, kids being in school.
This is true. What’s interesting though, is in cities with a larger homeschooling population, places organize lessons and practices during regular school hours specifically for homeschoolers. We live in a city that (for several geopolitical reasons) has a HUGE homeschool population, and there’s everything from arts to sports available in the mornings and early afternoon.
My niece has been in gymnastics & dance since she was 2 while my nephew has done baseball, soccer & football all while still going to school lol This lady would be amazed at the scheduling & how much free time they both have had.
These moms talk about unschooling their kids to teach them “life skills”, but there are some very important life skills they’re not teaching them. Like how sometimes you have to learn things you’re not interested in. Sometimes you have to follow rules you don’t like in order for society to function. And, most importantly, not everything is about YOU.
Yes. We homeschool, but sometimes my kids have to sit through an uninteresting lesson (relatively speaking) so that we can make it to the fun stuff. Wanna make a model of a cell out of jello? Then, we are going to have to go through this informational packet first. We have fun. We do serious learning. We do assessments (and are ahead of grade level). There is time in the day to do it all.
I was "unschooled" for half a year in high school. The abuse I faced during that time tripled, i worry for other kids that aren't able to get help like i was.
I knew someone who grew up in a home like this. Her parents were brilliant, but they never sent her to school because they didn't believe in the government's system. She was also dyslexic. She ended up being years behind, and had to be privately tutored to learn how to read at age 10/11, and had to continue for years to be able to pass her GED so that she could go to college.
We “homeschool” but it’s a co-op led by teachers who didn’t want to work in schools full-time when they had their own children. So while my kiddos aren’t in “public school,” they are getting educations by educational professionals/real teachers and still take standardized tests. Just a smaller environment and we do have more time for extra play. This version of “schooling” is absolutely absurd. These poor children can’t read??? Ugh.
Fr you need some basic reading and mathematics in order to survived the real word this type of "schooling" is doing disservice to the kids cause they would not know how to do basic things in everyday society
I’m a former educator and I think this is really the best form of homeschooling. It’s evidence-based and meant to support academics. Too many people homeschool to push their own indoctrination on children & the kids pay for it with lack of evidence-based education and stunted social abilities. And before anyone says it: that is not meant to be a sweeping generalization; that’s just my experience with formerly homeschooled children as a former educator 👍🏻
@@eckillaHSed kids typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. They score better regardless of their parents’ level of formal education, their family’s household income, or their teaching credentials. Or lack of. 78% of peer-reviewed studies on academic achievement show HS students perform statistically significantly better than those in institutional schools. They typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions and they typically go to college with more college credits. They're also actively recruited by colleges. The high achievement level of homeschoolers is readily recognized by recruiters from some of the best colleges in the nation. Schools such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale, Penn State, Princeton, Perdue, Vassar, and Duke University all actively recruit HSers. And so so basically all of the rest. The following is a quote taken from Jon Reider, a Stanford University admissions officer, “Homeschoolers bring certain skills - motivation, curiosity, the capacity to be responsible for their education - that high schools don’t induce very well." It is an old stereotype that they're not socialized well. Average HSed kids routinely participate in eight social activities outside of the home. They can easily do this since they have more time. They have a much broader range of socialization. Those in public schools are placed in rooms of kids only their own age, which is not typical to the real world, and they're rarely allowed to talk. PS also has a large negative socialization problem. (Bullying, for instance) The HSed are doing well, typically above average, on measures of social, emotional, and psychological development. Research measures include peer interaction, self-concept, leadership skills, family cohesion, participation in community service, and self-esteem. 87% of peer-reviewed studies on social, emotional, and psychological development show that HSed perform statistically significantly better than those in conventional schools.
This, in my opinion, is the best form of homeschooling( and what Im hopefully able to do in future when i have my own kids). It not only prevents parents to assume every role (eg, caretaker and educator), which is something I hate about homeschooling, but it ensures that the child is being taught by someone in the system and who learned how to TEACH their subject area
I’m currently studying for a Master of Science in Molecular Biology. I can’t imagine discovering my passion for biology on my own without the guidance and knowledge of my teachers. While my parents are amazing and have taught me a lot, neither of them is particularly interested in science. It’s hard to see how they could have nurtured my love for the subject. I’m frustrated by the thought that irresponsible parents might be depriving society of future scientists by not even giving their children a chance. Btw, my first language is Spanish. School is the reason I’m able to communicate in another language.
Same for me as a graphic designer. My parents don’t care for art or technology so my love for either of those things that helped me develop into my graphic designer today would’ve made no sense. No way for me to have nurtured that without all the amazing teachers I met along the way that saw something in me and helped me develop them because my parents didn’t have the skill for it.
Good for you! I teach marine biology which is light years away from my parents’ professions so I can’t even imagine lol. I worry too that like let’s say these unschooled kids DO stumble onto an advanced science and think “hey I want to do that!” You typically need a lot of core science background and math and so on before you can even jump into the higher level stuff. There’s a high chance they’ll be excluded before even starting out if they didn’t also happen to develop an interest in chemistry, algebra, bio etc at some point in their past “education”. Are they going back to learn all those subjects first? It’s sad thinking someone might not try something or might give up on a career goal because being raised this way gave them too many hurdles.
I don't understand why this people distrust professionals SO MUCH. As a Latina, it's so weird for me how many parents think they know better than actual teachers, calling them “free babysitters” is WILD to me. Thank you for such an incredible video, the personal write-in gave me a lot of insight, furthermore, you touched the subject with a lot of sensitivity and detail, just chef's kiss hi hi.
I’m a former teacher and my theory is that most of us go to school for years, day in and day out, so people *think* they can teach. It must be so easy, right? If I grew up watching someone do brain surgery every day, I might think I could do it too. But there’s so much more you learn when you go to school to actually do that profession. When I hear these parents say they’re the best person to teach their child… it’s like 🫠🤦🏼♀️ are you also your child’s dentist? Speech therapist? Ice hockey coach? Violin teacher?
@@jacquelynroe9036 thank you so much for the work you did, I see teachers and think I COULD NEVER. Not only am I incapable, but I cannot replace the dozens of wonderful teachers I had throughout my life 💕
Thank you for separating homeschool and unschool - they are NOT the same thing at all and it’s so sad people lump these two things together. Thank you for calling out these particular parents for not properly educating their children. We need to start holding people accountable again.
THIS. I am considering homeschool because the public school system is soooo entrenched in harmful ABA and reward-centered PBIS practices that are awful regarding neurodivergent kids. (Plus in my state they have approved Christian religious curriculum for public school! Hells no my kid isn’t gonna be indoctrinated into a religion we don’t follow!) The amount of curriculum and actual research I’ve done is probably insane and unschooling just seems so damn lazy
I was homeschooled with my sisters for a few years and my mom owned a business. We got to help her do inventory, run the cash register, learn about supply chain stuff, except we were also doing real curriculum every day. When I went back to school in my eighth grade year I was really nervous about being at the same grade level as everyone else, but at one point my mom asked me how my math class was going and I was like 'it's good, I think we're still doing review' and my mom said 'it's halfway through the school year, it's not review you just already know all the stuff they're teaching.' 🤣 So I had nothing to worry about... because my mom actually taught us stuff!!
as a counselor, I have dealt with a couple unschooled kids. they turn 16, realize they want to go to college, then show up to a public school with no credits, no chance of passing the HiSET/GED, and a long road to a traditional future.
@@marissarae in my state, non-IEP kids can only stay in school until the end of their 12th grade year. other states allow 5th year seniors, but fortunately where i am there are some pretty robust adult education programs. if we can't encourage students to go to a more appropriate alternative school, we work with them to either transition to adult ed when they turn 18 or help them navigate equivalency tests.
Good for them! As a human being who can think for itself, I and many others have been waiting many decades for teachers to wake up and realize that you are indoctrinating children, not teaching them. The only time you teach them is when you teach them things you learned yourself, or skills or a trade. You rely on textbooks and programming given to you.I'm a former teacher. There's a reason I quit. I encourage you to research what you are teaching children.
I am a nurse educator and am working on my masters. I’ve been educating in an informal capacity for about 13 years. I couldn’t teach my son what he learns in school. He’s on the national elementary society honor roll and has been on the principals honor roll list for at least the last 4 years. He’s getting the education he needs, the social integration that he needs, and he loves school and showing us his grades, progress reports & report cards. He’s thriving…. These people are crazy.
I'm a Montessori teacher who had a Montessori education and I think the inclination to allow for children to make choices as to what they will learn and when isn't inherently wrong, it's the technique used to go about that. In the Montessori classroom a child is given a list of hand on "assignments" but they can complete those in their time in whatever order they want. This allows for the child to get to truly enjoy their favorite school topics and lessons but also solidifies that some things you just have to get done in life even if you don't want to. For instance: I loved and really understood counting money and change but I really didn't understand reading clocks. so as a child I learned to do my assignments with counting time first so I could spend the rest of my time enjoying counting money. Here's the kicker: BOTH OF THOSE TOPICS ARE IMPORTANT.
We do this with my daughter. She has to work through maths and English. Then we are doing cookery. Art and design. Nutrition. Pe. And then computer courses. This is because she can't remember facts due to autism and adhd. She is doingbso well at home. But if I let her do anything she wanted she wouldnt do anything... I give her options of which learning she wants to do that day so if she really doesn't want to cook she isn't struggling when she would have been fine doing maths.
@@nom3nnescioI did both. I attended Montessori preschool and after school education with public K-12. The Montessori education put me leaps and bounds ahead of my contemporaries. It also fostered a deep love of learning. My parents had a routine of allowing free outdoor play time after school and before any homework. They also taught me all the “life skills” on a daily basis. They’re not mutually exclusive.
I know two people who did “unschooling” and it was because they found the schooling curriculum way too easy. They both got into university when they were 16 passing all the entrance exams almost perfectly. With that said, they were both super self starters and had tutors for subjects they needed help with, and highly supportive parents. It’s not just a free for all, it’s a lot of hard work and works for very very very few people.
My 7 year old is ADHD and dyslexic, he struggles so hard with reading and writing. He has the ideas, he understands a lot of concepts but if it's on paper, he just can't sometimes. I'd be utterly lost without our school and the additional help that he has access to there (and the fact that the teachers send me ideas with how I can help him at home is amazing to me)
I think that’s one of the biggest risks are those kids who don’t ’just pick it up’. My kids are both gifted LD. Their first school didn’t get it, but we switched schools, and I’d be HOOPED without them. And I’m a former SLP…
Check out neuroplasticity if you haven't yet. Nectar Group is the one we used. Retraining the brain was super helpful for my child with an auditory processing disorder. They deal with dyslexia a lot!
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22:54 Imagine being so desperate to be an influencer that you would destroy your child education and essentially their future. It’s so vile and disgusting.
35:03 and those are all things that a parent should already be doing with their children on top of school not instead of school.
@HannahAlonzo personally I thank you for doing these videos and showing among others what is wrong with society these days.
Keep doing it please 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yesterday I literally had to dust off the ol’ pythagorean theorem, find the slope of a line, and use that slope to extrapolate the projected place of a point on that line. And who says traditional school curriculum is of no use in the real world? Haha…this sounds like a joke, but I actually did unironically did that 😂😂 (for context, I was writing/planning a crochet pattern)
Public educator here and of the parents that would call me a glorified babysitter who’s trying to indoctrinate and control their children… there are also many parents who respect my work as a professional. But that doesn’t rage bait people for views. I’ll never understand why that type of content feeds the algorithm
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Anyone with an iPhone is an influencer these days. We need to drop the ideas of “influencer” and start calling them “unregulated opinionated people”.
The way you're acting like ever influencer has an iPhone is the most ignorant thing I've seen.
“Unregulated opinionated people” is hilarious 😂
Unregulated opinionated selfish entitled lazy people. We could add so many adjectives!
Also add uneducated
@@bmckong and unhinged... !
Unschooling is just what you’re supposed to be doing on summer break
Your comment needs more likes!
And the weekend/holidays/evenings. Basically any time your kids are with you and off school duty 😂
Or like… all the time? I’m so confused by this content because my child is 5 and just starting kindergarten and we’ve already been talking about all these things (buying food, cleaning the car, paying bills, etc) because they’ve all obviously come up already in her five years of life and will continue to be things we need to take care of… are these people just straight up not talking to their children at all when they do these things ? I just don’t really get it, mine literally never stops asking questions about everything lol but similarly her natural curiosity doesn’t mean I’ll know how to teach her how to read.
❤❤ YES OMG!!!! THIS IS IT!!!!✨✨✨✨
@@TheKnallkorperor literally when they get home from school.😂 like, do folks really think they need a gold star or to be considered a teacher because they talk to their own kids and answer their questions!??🤔😬
My biggest worry about "unschooling" is that it can be used to hide child abuse and neglect. Teachers and guidance counselors are legally required to report child abuse, and they can't do that if the parent pulls their child from school. Some kids only receive adequate food and care because of school. The child can be trapped in an abusive home, and no one would be able to tell, let alone do anything to stop it.
Still better than being brainwashed and forced to undergo gender reassignment because you blue haired 400 pound lesbian teacher feels men are evil..
this is exactly what scares me
Agree!
Amen! A way to hide the terrible things you're teaching to and doing to these children😓
👏 Totally. I think that's part of why this "trend" (and how it's communicated by these adherents in a weirdly aggressive, conspiracy-thinking way) really angers me.
anti-intellectualism is one of the greatest threats to our future in my opinion.
"I want to create a space where everyone thinks the same" is a WILD thing to say as a person who claims to hate government "control." 😂
It screams “cult vibes”
Ope
sounds like a cult energy
I had the same reaction as soon as I heard that.
Exact definition of an Echo chamber 😂😂 but I bet she didn't learn that in homeschooling.
I realised "Kelsey" was an MLM-er when instead of describing her family as her decendants, she called them her "downline" 😂😂😂
Same. I’ve never thought to refer to my hypothetical or real children as a “downline”. Sweet Jesus. 🤣
that was insane 😅 so dystopian. Hannah's face killed me.
Her vids are maniacal, are we sure there isn't a substance involved?
Me too! My ears peeks up lol I noticed that immediately!!!
Yo. When she called her kid(s) her "downline" I snapped my face back to the screen bc I *knew* there would be a hearty serving of "the look". We did it at the same time, lol. I don't have children but have been slightly uncomfortable with family who talk about their kids as their "legacy" - feels like that kids life is more about the parent than the small human themselves (in some cases). But DOWNLINE? Maybe it was a slip up but still...yikes forever
The absolute irony of Kelsey Rhae not wanting her children to be indoctrinated to anything, but creating a group of women "who all think exactly the same" must be completely lost on her.
Same as the irony of “not wanting to report anything to the government” and then telling us one of the first things she’s gonna teach her kids is how to pay taxes
💯 she's absolutely ridiculous
She needs to admit she's a dummy. Sorry. She is taking this all too personally. I work with troubled teens. I've seen educational neglect, amongst others. Your kid has to thrive in society, not under your bosom with no skills. It has to be rage bait. Unless we're reverting to being Indigenous?
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Also "first day of unschooling!! We're going to clean my car because it will teach them to follow instructions"
In Switzerland, unschooling is completely illegal. After a number of days without your kid going to school, police come to your door. Your child can even be taken away from you. This is a very serious matter were I live, theses videos shook me.
Right? In Brazil even homeschooling is not a thing. People in the US live in an alternative reality (and I don't think it's a good one lol)
So true ! I have the same feeling
It is not completely illegal, it is just very regulated (requirements vary greatly by canton). Each year, the DIP verifies that the children are receiving the proper education by administering exams. 20 out of 26 cantons require teaching qualifications for person doing homeschooling, children are monitored by the DIP (Département de l’instruction publique), which ensures the quality of the education provided. The DIP requires parents to submit a timetable with the exact amount of hours spent on each subject per week, who will be teaching them and what curriculum.
Exactly! Same in Germany.
Just like everything in the US, it varies by state. In the vast majority of the country, you can’t just take your kids out of school without any oversight. In my state, homeschooled students must be tested and pass state level exams every year. They must also have lessons evaluated by a teacher every so often and signed off. My dad actually does that on the side (he’s a high school teacher).
You must remember that tiktok is only showing an extreme minority. Most children in the US go to public school, and those that don’t, go to regulated private schools or homeschooling.
It’s so funny how that woman was like “I’m too busy to sign a slip of paper but I’m not too busy to make a hundred TikTok’s complaining about it and pull my kids out of school in order to prove a point” lol
We all know she didn’t want to go to court anymore for the absences that’s why they opt to the most lazy shit possible. At least homeschooling parents are trying. Unschooling people I feel doing some shady shit they don’t want the authorities to get wind of.
You can't profit off of routine school forms, but you sure can if you're an influencer recording yourself complaining about filling them out
Also she’s against the government but if she’s driving she still needs to follow registration laws if she’s behind the wheel lmao yearly car registration, license, insurance lmao
I wanted to optimise my finances, so instead of working a job and sending my kids to school, I calculated that a million followers will bring me more money and that it's worth it even with a couple of (I assume very expensive) aquarium tripa
Shes too busy to sign a paper but she has time to take full responsibility for her children's education.
She’s all proud of herself for answering a question her kid asked lol. Most parents do that AND send their kids to school.
For reallllllll! Ma’am that’s NOT exceptional by any means.
@@Natnat994 yeah it was goofy because its just the bare minimum hahahaha
Exactly.
She is delusional
Right? My kid and I used to play “which is bigger” a game with positive and negative numbers in the car. I thought I was just a geek-parenting my geeky 5 year old. Turns out I was “unschooling” him.🙄
"I found myself in a corner of the internet that I knew I didn't belong, so I just backed out quietly..." LOL.
I went “oh yeah, this wasn’t meant for me” 😂
That feeling is so relatable that it should have a one word name. Like doing a "backaway" or something.
"I entered a Facebook mom community and was misled by the written description, so I had to pull a Backaway" on those ladies."
I loved that
@@YourNewSleepParalysisDemon That's called noping out (or nopeing out). I'd know, having noped out of several situations.
@@neoqwerty I had no idea that term was used online. Warms the heart.
This entire concept is so wild to me. Born and raised in Germany there is no other option than public or private schools. It’s actually a felony to remove your kids from school until after 9th grade. If parents don’t enroll their kids in school for whatever reason they have to pay fines of a couple thousand dollars a month and will, sooner or later, go to jail + lose custody of their kids because of child endangerment.
As an European I'm shocked that unschooling is even legal in the US. 😳
Some states are super backward and behind in education, healthcare, and overall happiness. I'll give you one hint.. They're red.
As an American… I’m shocked too. 😢
Is it not illegal? I thought kids were required to be in school even if it's homeschool
@@ginaesch7568 Children are absolutely required to be in school. K-12 is compulsory in the US. If you homeschool, you must still be registered within your school district or state that you are homeschooling (I believe). This is absolutely wild!
Homeschooling laws vary by states. Some state laws are very lenient in the sense that you state you’re homeschooling and that’s it. You don’t have to explain, list, or go into detail about what your personal homeschooling journey will consist of.
Her shopping with her kids!! Mom, that’s simply just being a parent. 😂If you think that is revolutionary, what were you doing before?!
Ignoring them as much as humanly possible
she didn't even teach them about price vs weight per unit smh
😂😂😂😂
I think I deserve a metal because I took my kids to BJs the other day. I'm obviously the greatest parent of all time 😂😂
Literally our Saturday. My kid goes to school all week AND comes grocery shopping on Saturdays
It's heartbreaking to witness this. Coming from a developing country, I've seen children sitting on makeshift clay chairs under the scorching sun, eager to learn from their dedicated teachers. I've watched girls being denied education simply because they are girls, yet still fighting to educate themselves by reading any book they can find. I've seen parents devastated because they can't afford to send their kids to school-not even to public schools. And now, seeing women in "the best country in the world" neglecting the immense opportunities they have for their children is truly disheartening. You have a government that prioritizes your children's education and safety, well-trained teachers ready to guide them, and the ability to send them to school regardless of financial struggles. This isn't just sad-it's child neglect, and it should not be allowed.
i think the eu does a much better job for education and for the children! this isnt me being eu vs us not at all is just from what i have heard from friends who live in usa and have kids, the system is great yes but the schools are very dangerous reports of attacks on schools everyday.
your comment is so on point - to have the privilege to be able to learn at a high level, by practiced professionals, and not even know it as a privilege, is heartbreaking.
You are so right - thank you for shedding light on this privilege that so many are taking for granted 😢
@@teddybearmei8713the EU is not a monolith. Education quality and school safety varies greatly by country and local jurisdiction.
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I think you missed the point
Kelsey's viewpoint is the exact product of her own homeschooling and it's terrifying to see the cycle repeating itself bc she was never educated properly. If we don't know why we do things, then we don't do them and we run into the exact same problems that were previously solved by doing the thing we thought was pointless.
So far "unschooling" just sounds like the things I do with my kids outside of school. Just because they go to school doesn't mean I'm not constantly teaching them still. These people seem like awful parents.
I wouldn’t call that “unschooling” but I agree these are horrible parents.
Even that letter at the end, where it mentioned the "magical childhood" and listed all the things they did and how "there has to be some balance between traditional school and what I had". Well, that balance has already been struck for the majority of children. The rest of us just called all that free time where we did those exact same activities "after school, weekends and summer vacation".
Honestly like hearing what the first lady said about how her son came up to her, asked her questions and her response is "i make time to answer him as well as I can".. like, isn't that what you're SUPPOSED to do?!
Given that the second lady thinks of the public school system as free baby-sitting, she probably also thinks of parenting as barely keeping her children alive. This is scary.
This is exactly what we do after school. We go shopping together, we play at home with the shop, we work in the garden, we go for a walk in the forest, we read books, we make plasticine... after school
That little boy's notebook where he's scrawling random words broke my heart. It feels like he's crying out for what his mother is actively refusing to give him. Such deep sadness.
Seriously. I felt so bad for him too. Hopefully that mom is actually seeing that effort and in turn helping him progress and not just sitting back making him learn random words completely on his own. Just plain sad and in my opinion completely lazy and neglectful. I think it's embedded in any species...a mother especially... to want to help your child grow and thrive and that includes their education. We wouldn't expect our kids to figure out how to come up with their own groceries and meals.
Agree…
Same when he was asking the "et cetera" question during her supposed meeting. Unless he was just being shy and quiet in that moment, his speech and sentence structure did not sound up to his age level, either. Kids need both teachers and peers to learn from.
@@annestrasko7581yeah it also seemed like the mom visibly bristled at her own child interrupting HER video; look closely at her mouth purse closed at the beginning of his interruption.
My heart hurt for that little boy 💔
“I’m going to teach my kid how to buy groceries and be frugal and the difference between ’needs’ and ‘wants’ and go to museums and zoos” - girl, that’s called parenting, schools aren’t responsible for any of that and plenty of parents are capable of teaching their children all of those things without forcing their kids to be illiterate.
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Yeah, they’re basically pissed off other people than themselves care about the wellbeing of their children. They’re accusing other people of wanting to”own” their kids when they themselves are creating conditions for their children that make them even more dependent on them than they already are, like they are their property rather than an individual that will have to survive in this world one day. Like, the public school systems around the world were established to get children out of child labour and help them elevate themselves. This one woman didn’t even go to public school and has no clue about, yet she’s wildly generalising and discrediting it, showing just how uneducated and unfit she is to be an educator to anyone. She literally degraded her son from getting an education to working as her personal assistant.
Absolutely! And this is compatible with a school education.
Doctors notes are also used as way to ensure the parents aren’t abusing their children and are actually taking them to healthcare professionals
With unschooling those kids won't be the ones writing doctor notes for sure
The problem with requiring doctor’s notes is that not everyone has insurance (in the U.S.), disproportionately punishing children living in poverty.
@@PinkMoonYT I do agree
@@PinkMoonYTThis was our family's problem. We couldn't afford health insurance as a kid and we couldn't afford out of pocket visits unless we were REALLY sick. My mom would always send a signed note when I went back, but if they wanted an actual note, we would just take the unexcused absence because we couldn't afford to go to the doctor just for a note.
"We don't know what we don't know" is the perfect statement to take down the unschooling movement. Children have NO CONCEPT of what they might need to know or what they might want to learn without going through a more formal education process. I have no issues with homeschooling as long as the parents are following basic standards set for the target age group, but unschooling is putting too much trust into the child who has no concept of what is possible.
It is so unfair to the child. What are these "parents" going to say when their kids can't find a job or career or trade work? Are they going to blame their adult child and tell them, "Well, you didn't want to learn math or learn to read, etc. It is your fault!"
Pure insanity.
@@lilunette9319 exactly. Even Kelsey Rhae said “some adults don’t know how to cook and at some point you have to stop blaming your parents!” She’s going to do the same to her kids. “You’re an adult now! Stop blaming me!”
Also a lot of unschooling families don't have a great idea of how to systematically educate a child with a scope and example sequence (for example learning to read involves first being able to identify letters and then identify letter sounds and then learning how to sound out words) so the parents just pawn off that responsibility on to the kids too.
@@soapygirl83it’s because they don’t respect teaching as a profession (“free babysitting”)
So they have a hard time with those types of education practices, theory, and the general concept of learning foundation
Not true, I read more history when I was 7 and 8 than my social studies teachers ever did. Teach a kid to read and the kid can learn anything.
The fact that an unschooling mom is also in an mlm surprises me none.
I was about to say 😂😂. Not in the least.
Referring to her family as her "downline" was telling
It’s amazes me how these people don’t realize how good they have it here in the US.
And I’m speaking as a US citizen but originally from Africa (Kenya). Here in public schools kids have the TOOLS to be anything they would want to be Engineer, Doctor, Nurse, Statistician, Actuary, Soldier, Lawyer…literally anything out there. All they have to do is take their a$&es to Sch…. Omg. The school bus even comes to get them for FREE!!!
Then you have these newly minted influencers who most have no education and most are palm skinned with a giant mega phone telling parents to home school & unschool their kids. It’s FRIGHTENING.
Also might I add that most Women of color working “black jobs” don’t have the LUXURY to work from home or have a thousands of dollars hustle from home
where they can teach their kids.
Both of my parents worked full time with my mom pulling in overtime, The school system suited our lifestyle & made me into the person I am. My background is Civil Engineering & I have moved from different countries till I settled in US & have been able to sustain myself.
@@_crusoe as soon as she said that I was like 'oooooh she's also in an mlm"
The fact that she is on TikTok and is in an MLM should be the not surprising part.
As a former K-5 teacher, many children's interests aren't developed in a vacuum. It's through exposure to others that they discover new things. I had a child who became obsessed with isopods because another child had a stuffed animal keychain of one. Before that, he didn't even know what an isopod was.
Exactly!! And I think most adults can think back to a certain experience or social interaction that led them to the career and interests they have. None of us were born thinking “hmmm I should learn about car transmissions”.
@@TheSharna23 Very true. I definitely understand the urge to provide an environment where children have time to explore their own interests. However I struggle to understand why parents feel the need to abandon schooling in general to do so.
That is an excellent point.
I’m a homeschooling mom (and happy to speak of the beauty of homeschooling on my channel), though we use a mostly Charlotte Mason method, I see a lot of beauty in unschooling and following your children’s interests. That said I think so many are confused about unschooling. I know a family of unschoolers, the oldest is now 15 and she’s the most well rounded, intelligent, as well as responsible young girl her age I know. People think that parents leave their kids to their own devices, when the philosophy literally promotes being in tune with your children and facilitating their education through their lead. Everyone attacked this poor mother for how her five year old wrote, but don’t know that in so many educational approaches including schools across Europe, copy work is not even a skill taught until children are ready for formal education which usually begins at age six. I think everyone needs to get off their high horse and get educated on what “unschooling” actually is.
@@NivesScottI think these women pretty clearly stated what they consider to be unschooling, which is legit parenting. I guess then we are all unschoolers? Who also send our children for extended education by educators?
My son gardens with me, and plays outside, and grocery shops with me, and builds terrariums, and builds galaxies on his computer, and also attends 2nd grade.
I’m not even 3 minutes in and this video is blowing my mind….
I was “unschooled” but I didn’t realize it until just now because we CALLED it “homeschool.”
I never even knew “unschooled” was like a separate category under homeschooling. I just thought for some reason my friends who were also “homeschooled” were actually learning things and I felt left behind.
And I’ve related to the cliché traits that most homeschoolers relate too. Social awkwardness, lack of sex education, etc etc.
But the homeschoolers who managed to get a good education always shocked me. I just assumed I was stupid and lazy because there was no structure to my learning. I BEGGED my parents to add structure, and they said that they would but never did. So I never had structure and I felt like it was my fault, MY responsibility: not my parents.
This is such a scary topic. I think what people don’t realize is that homeschooling is not bad just in its own: HOWEVER not every family or set of parents are going to be good at raising a well-rounded child AND ,while some children do thrive in homeschooling, NOT everyone does thrive in that environment.
The scary thing about it is that I THOUGHT I was homeschooled and I genuinely think my parents tried to educate me. However, they vastly overestimated their abilities at doing this and failed to see that I wasn’t learning what I needed too. That ON top of their own trauma and mental illness created a perfect situation where they didn’t have to educate me and it’s okay because I was learning on my own as needed!
Do you see how fucking long this comment is? Do you see how I suck at summarizing and getting to the point? That’s literally just one example of how much a lack of an education fucked me up. I cannot do basic math without a calculator even though I understand the concepts. I absolutely suck at spelling and would NEVER get by without autocorrect/red underlines.
The problem is that it’s so easy for well intentioned parents to end up “unschooling” their children EVEN IF their intentions are to “homeschool.”
I know I’m just speaking from my own experience here. I know lots of people who homeschooling was amazing for. And maybe there are some people who did unschooling and it was great! Idk
I think the problem is really parents assuming that they know what type of schooling is best for their child WHEN they are going off of their own fears instead what is actually good for that individual child to grow.
And I’m making this comment NOT because I want anyone to feel sorry for me or to tell me how my parents wrong me (trust me, I am aware) BUT to raise awareness for people to realize how much this can fuck a child up because I’m an example of that.
ALRIGHT THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK.
Im literally only 2:43 into this video. God I’m not sure I’m ready for the rest 🤣🤣🤣
I might delete this comment if the rest of the video makes me feel stupid but we’ll see!
Your comment is tearing my heart out, you've expressed yourself excellently! Don't delete it - people need to know your experience! I think you are amazing for what you have survived and how far you've obviously come!
Thank you for sharing your experience! Best wishes ❤
I didn't learn how to summerise properly until university in my 30's. If it helps, write out what you want to say then break it down into paragraphs. Read each paragraph and ask yourself what is the most important point you want to make? Write it as one sentence. That sentence summerises the paragraph.
You seem much smarter than you give yourself credit for, although I'm sure that's DESPITE what your parents did, not because.
Just so you know: I relate 100% to everything you said. I was public schooled all my life. And I was good at it. Don't attribute all your "failures" to unschooling ;)
Great to see a real teacher respond to this trend!
Exactly. As Hannah points out in the title of the video, these moms do not know what they don't know. It's a shame ignorance is so loud.
My thoughts exactly!
I believe Mika's Rhetoric is also a teacher and I'm pretty sure she did a video a couple months back. She also thought unschool was not right.
@@LemoniestLemonyLove Mika’s Rhetoric! She made me fall in love with philosophy specifically rhetorical analysis..but I didn’t see anything on her channel about unschooling maybe it’s just not on the title of a bigger vid?
Oh, stop it with the pile up!!! Everyone and their grandma is posting anti homeschooling paid propaganda atm. Yes, there are some extreme examples out there but pretending that school education hasn't gone down the drain is just silly. I am a teacher myself too and I feel like vomiting at what school, teachers and curriculums have become. I am dreading sending my only kiddo there and considering homeschooling for parts of it. Academically though he could read in two languages and do year 1 and 2 maths at 4, plus his side interests.
I was "Unschooled." My mother, unfit to parent if you ask me, took me out of school before I finished fifth grade, claiming she was going to homeschool me. I was, indeed, trapped in an abusive home. If you think of a "Hoarder home" think about it as 10 times filthier, mice and maggots frequented every room, the entire thing was what you'd see in a dump but with dirty walls around it. Literal mounds of trash and rot, I never had a bed, sleeping in that trash at one point as my broken dinette seat was sticking nails into my back. I was entirely neglected and verbally and emotionally abused. I became quite sick (now much sicker in my adult life with no insurance) due to the environment. Since I was sick, the short amount of time I was in school as a young child, I of course complained, and I was often late, so I was called in to talk to councilors and professionals, and my mother got mad about that, so she took me out of school I think solely because of that. I received no homeschooling. She scared me into never going outside, so people didn't see me or ask questions, by telling me (a 9 year old) that I would be arrested for truancy, so I couldn't leave. I'm now extremely agoraphobic.
At one point CPS was called on us, I was told to hide so they couldn't see me while they looked in our windows. How they didn't flag what they saw inside of those windows as an immediate take-away I'll never understand. It was truly a hazard-suit level environment.
I was stuck in a dump-fire-hazard-maggot home with a mother that neglected me, didn't believe in doctors, so I didn't get vaccines, made me put cayenne pepper in my eyes to make them brighter, all while she was _proud_ of her "unschooling" me. I learned how to work an oven properly at 8 years old so I could make myself food. I didn't own shoes or socks until I was 21 years old. Due to both physical and mental health problems stemming from so much trauma and being raised in a TERRIBLE living situation, I unfortunately am basically useless. I'm so sick I can't do much but I try, I'm so mentally ill I'm actually beginning to lose my mind. I've gotten to a point where I speak gibberish that feels like someone else is speaking through me and I have barely any mind and my short term memory is abysmal. Constant unsafety for my entire life has now resulted in me having the unfortunate experience of watching my partner's face fall as he realizes that I'm actually going insane and there's nothing we can do about it.
It's my opinion that unschooling is for parents that don't feel they are responsible to invest in their children's lives. It probably ranges from people who feel the need to have babies but don't really think about the human that baby will become, to people who have pregnancies and babies just for attention and don't care afterwards, people who think babies and toddlers are cute and fun but as soon as their child gets a personality they want to bow out... in any case, all people who aren't fit to be parents.
I'm not giving my story for sympathy so much as trying to warn people that you don't HAVE to have children. You shouldn't bring a whole person into the world on a whim. Things don't always work out the way you plan, of course, but please be absolutely certain you will give your all and never stop trying to give your child a good life. If you think you can just have a child and it will learn on its own while you eff off and do your own thing, just do your own thing while not neglecting a person that depends entirely on you. Your child is not a room mate. I was basically just "there" in my house. I was never taught anything, especially not how to be a person.
I've chosen not to have children because I'm not financially, mentally or physically stable and that is the ONE responsible thing I can do. Even if you know you'd love that child with all of your heart, beyond the neglect and abuse I spoke of, it's okay that you don't because you may be unable to.
It may be better for that yet-existing child if they don't have to go through something like that. If you're on the fence, TRULY think about it. Think about their entire life and where you'd be going through it.
I apologize for the very long comment, but people need to think about this and it's something I actually have perspective and experience with. This is just a very tiny sum of what I went through. I did my best to make it coherent, but it probably goes all over the place.
I hope that anyone who may have read this has a lovely day, a wonderful life and great luck for the rest of this. I'm still as bright and happy as I can be every day and at the very least, I have my art to work on and a very loving partner who laughs with me all day long.
wow i‘m so sorry that happened to you! i wish you all the best in life from now on ❤
Thank you for sharing your experience
I applaud you and thank you for sharing your experiences so candidly. I support your well self-informed decision to not become a mother, as you state that your mental, emotional, and physical health is not adequate to meet the demands that raising a child would require. I find it incredibly upsetting that you and any others like you, have had to go through a childhood similar to this. I find this not only a complete parental disregard for their child's education, but also criminal child endangerment, criminal child neglect, and criminal mental and emotional abuse. I would not fault you if, as an adult now, you have no relationship with your mother at all. Most Sincerely, Renée Suzanne
Thank you for sharing & coming from a not great home situation as well, I relate to how you feel about not every person is meant to be a parent and many people even weaponizing parenthood for their own vanity or ego-driven reasons. But you also deserve now to live a life that makes you personally happy in whatever ways that means for you. I hope you find peace. 💕
Dangggggghgg
I love how Kelsey said she was going to do “so many things” with her son but the entire reason she pulled him out of public school was because she couldn’t handle signing a piece of paper once per day.
This comment is GOLD
Honestly I can only imagine the relief those teachers felt for not having to deal with her anymore
She admitted to not even having a high school diploma so she probably couldn’t read the paper she had to sign.
Her kids are going to be raised by UA-cam. It's heartbreaking.
If you can't find time to teach your child 'life skills' in the 185 days of the year they are not in school, perhaps the problem is you, not the school system.
Kelsey my love… the education system doesn’t want to own your child, they want your child to be SAFE and accounted for.
This. I am getting the strong impression these people don’t like the fact that other people care about the wellbeing of their children. Seems like they’re projecting when they accuse others of wanting to “own” their children. I think they consider their children *their* property that no one’s supposed to “take away”. That’s why they create conditions for their children that makes them even more dependent, i.e. isolate them.
Child lead learning is basically you being a parent and embracing your child’s interests in addition to school. Like during evenings, weekends, school breaks, holidays, summers, excused days, excused family trips, etc. There is plenty of time to take your children to zoos, museums, beaches, etc outside of school while not hindering their education
Yes! We supplement our kids public school education with extra lessons and experiences that are important to our family i.e. self care, media literacy, household tasks, etc.
Very well said!!
This is what gets me with the rhetoric around homeschooling, where people say it's better than traditional school as it's hands-on and involved trips, etc. When I was growing up my mum just did that with us on the weekends, there's no reason why it can't be done alongside traditional schooling! I remember going to museums and historical locations to learn about different parts of history, I remember going to science museums, etc. and it all supplemented my school learning instead of replacing it.
@@ArvakWell, HS kids do better than public school kids and it is faster so there is even more time for the child to explore interests and to do those other things.
@@EgoBrain1 Give me the studies (and not the ones that are volunteer-based, please, those have an extremely obvious bias. I want breakdowns by income, ethnicity, nationality, state, religion, and parental and child age groups.
As an autistic person, I have particular concerns about the child-led side of this. Absolutely, parent your child and answer their questions as they arise, alongside a broad general education. But what if your child is (possibly undiagnosed) autistic and has a very fixed, singular special interest? Do you really spend twelve years focused entirely on squirrels, or cement mixers, or whatever and not nudge them towards anything else???? Admittedly, this would be an extreme scenario - some of us have no particular focus, others have several at once, or a succession of interests over time. However, extremes do happen. This whole thing seems like a recipe for disaster.
Yeah if I was a kid being unschooled, my mom would have to have a PhD in paleontology or something. And I wouldn't learn how to write or do math.
If I were unschooled in elementary school, I absolutely would have spent 2 years learning about nothing but fairies. That certainly would have been an experience
@@hurraynature7449 Sounds like it! I think I'd have done a couple of years of Tutankhamun and then a good, long spell on canals. Varied, but maybe not the most productive.
@@MissGreenTeaLady That's the thing - you can only go a little way with a subject if you haven't learned anything else.
Yes that's a good point. I have an autistic son who likes playing games. He could talk about games all the time. But it wouldn't be good if he sit all the time by the computer at this age. He can go to programming school later on and become a professional game developer. But without school, he wouldn't know how to communicate with real people. It's not the matter of just therapy, but day to day play, solving issues, waiting for his turn, listening etc.
His friend is also autistic, focuses on fishing and is very good, but weekends and hilidays is plenty of time to do that.
My kid was obsessed with 5 Nights at Freddy’s for a year and a half… there’s only so much you can teach a 7-year-old about animatronics and running a food service business 😂
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I love this comment!! My kids are currently 6 months into the same obsession and that's all I could think of.. is if I allowed my kids to lead their education all they would learn about is UA-cam, video games, and FNAF and maybe occasionally Gabby's DollHouse and shark dogs 😅
I mean yes sometimes the get curious about something useful, but most of the time if you allow a kid to decide what they want to do and learn, it's not going to be anything truly educational or helpful.
My five year old is obsessed with it and he’s not allowed to play the games or watch the movies or watch other people play them. 😂 he’s gleaned a lot from my modest fnaf merch collection and eavesdropping and UA-cam videos of FNAF Minecraft he sneaks in between his regular Lego videos.
@@TrishaBMurray This!
😮 sorry but why is Ur 7 year old even allowed to know about a 16plus horror game/movie?
Trying to "teach" a child about prices without even knowing unit pricing herself tells me all I need to know.
“I want to create a legacy for my downline ERR I mean family” 😂 Hannah gives us a knowing look 👌🏻
Lol! I caught that, too. Smh
@@geekrobyn it made my jaw drop
I had to stop and rewatch. That one word says it all.
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Kiki channel did a whole video on that mom. She is WILD. Chose to unschool because the teacher asking her to sign a homework folder was too much work.
When i was 18, in a small start-up college, i ran into my first experience with unschooled kids. A girl who was mad at the rest of the kids for being silly trolls put swastikas on all of our dorm doors as a 'warning'. After the initial freak out reaction, we realized she had NO IDEA the implication of what she did, because she never learned about WW2 or Nazi Germany or any of it. That's when i knew unschooling was legitimately dangerous for kids in the real world.
She also immediately got roped into an mlm at 18 and it took over her life. I don't think her parents did her any favors.
How did she respond after she was told about Nazi Germany?
WOW wtf! Imagine not knowing about the holocaust. Literally she is the butt of “those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”
Wait, you had kids at college? Or you called 18 years old, the adults, kids? And she got raped, or what?
Yikes. That's really sad.
Sorry, but on the other side of that.... I had a coworker one time that got mad at me because I put the famous Elvis "TCB" with the lightening bolt sticker on my car. Me and this coworker had become friends. Hanging out after work, going to the gym together, going to parties together, having dinner at each other's houses, etc..... Suddenly, she started to act differently around me and was distancing herself. I finally bluntly confronted her. She said it was because of the new sticker I put on my car. She believed that the lightening bolt on my sticker was the Nazi symbol and I was a racist. (Did I forget to mention she was half black and homeschooled most of her life.) I had to school this 28 year old woman about Elvis AND H!+ler'$ Nazi signs.
It‘s not even the education the child needs, a child DESERVES education. How incredibly selfish must a person be to deny their own child knowledge they know they can’t provide
I’m not even sure these parents know they can’t provide it. Smh
These are the know it alls of the world, and “the government is trying to control us”. They have no idea what they don’t know.
@@TheSharna23government is not controlling you at the moment.
@@MrNsoehuh??
@@TheSharna23 ?
"im gonna teach my kids taxes"
"what's a taxes"
bestie im old even i dont understand taxes you think a kid who cant do math would?
I have a kid with ADHD and a speech disorder in the public school system. All of the progress he's made is BECAUSE he goes to public school and has access to specialists who do work I'm not qualified to do. (Also, his hard work ❤)
The school system is absolutely flawed and I have my qualms but what these people don't acknowledge is that the good (generally) outweighs the bad.
Teaching is such an underpaid and undervalued profession.
I was unschooled in an abusive household and at the age of 19 when I went to get a GED, I found out I had a 3rd grade education and couldn’t pass the test. I’m now 29 and a college graduate, but it took so much longer than it ever should have. Don’t do this to your children. I waisted my 20s catching up. I learned to read by texting at age 12 when I got a free Obama phone from the government. I have no self esteem whatsoever because I still think I’m stupid.
I'm sorry you went through this.
you are NOT stupid. being a college graduate is an insane accomplishment and please know that. i don’t know you but i’m proud of you and i’m so sorry for how you grew up. congrats for getting out of it ❤
I'm so sorry your parents did this to you. It's VERY impressive that you got yourself what you needed.
You are fucking amazing and don't you ever forget that!
You deserved better. You’re not stupid at all. It’s called having an incomplete education. You’re moving past it.
My child was diagnosed with a severe and rare type of epilepsy. It has caused a ton of developmental delays that THE SCHOOLS have provided amazing recourses. We arent a super well off family, so having these resources provided to us is beyond helpful! It also helps me understand my child better and where he is at academically and how I can help him IN ADDITION to school
As a special need teacher thank you for your appreciation! I love that you mentioned that school helped you to understand who to help your child in addition to school, this is something we try everyday but most parents are not interested or thinks they know better.
My youngest daughter is autistic. High functioning, but she still needed help. Her team was incredible. They followed her through all 12 grades, was the loudest cheering crowd in the arena at graduation, and she made it through college, and is now an imaging technologist at a large medical center in our city. She knocked that whole thing out of the park and we couldn't have done it without that team of therapists and paraeducators. I will be forever grateful to them.
@@lacromabianca942 My youngest was helped by the best team of teacher, therapists, and paraeducators. I don't think I could have paid out of pocket and received the same care. They were tireless, never gave up on her, and pushed her to be her best self. I couldn't have done it without them.
My close friend was diagnosed with Crohn’s BECAUSE her teacher noticed something was wrong. She told my friend’s parents to investigate this with a doctor. She’s forever grateful a teacher looked out for her like that.
Omg unschooling is the worst - I was unschooled up until high school and it was MISERABLE. If you ever want to interview an unschooling survivor, let me know! 💜
Liking this so it can surface to the top!
This would be a great interview
Even homeschooling can only be done properly if the parents have plenty of resources and energy to create social interactions. Unschooling sounds to me like a parent who just doesn't care (even if they claim they do). A parent with only selfish reasons would choose to say they prefer unschooling.
I would be very interested if she interviewed you and to hear your personal experience on it since my opinions right now are just based on assumptions (I haven't finished watching the video yet).
Hope she sees this
I would love to see this interview
I’m sure someone else said what I’m about to say but what also stood out to me about the apples is that just because something has a lower price doesn’t mean it’s always actually cheaper than the most “expensive” version. How many ounces does the item have, or how many apples per bag? You get the point. That bag could be cheaper because it has less apples than its more expensive counterpart.
the craziest part? my 6th grade, public school math class taught us about unit price!
“ I’m going to teach my son how to cook, grocery shop, and how to handle money”. Like that literally is just parenting and stuff you should be teaching your child. This baffles me. I really wish my dad were still alive so I could show him this.
Isn’t it crazy how they believe life skills and formal education are mutually exclusive??
How much exposure to other cultures, different perspectives, science, history….
@@esmereldapinchon1422 they don't need that woke shit /s
And she didn't even tell the child to focus on the price per kilo, not the price per package. You always need to see if the packages are of similar size for the price to be comparable!!
Right!? This is ON TOP of school, not instead of it.
My husband just said "this UA-camr has got a complete grip on you. I have not seen you watch another person in the past 3 days". He's not wrong. Little does he know I'm so obsessed with your videos right now that I am THIS early to an upload. 😂😂
Omg hahaha that’s hilarious, thank you for your support Lauren!! 🫶🏼
@@HannahAlonzoyou are so welcome. Please keep being you!
@@HannahAlonzo I found you a little less than two weeks ago. You along with another commentary channel are my go to channels now ❤. Very informative as well as extremely entertaining 😃. Keep up the good work. Yes Kiki chanel is the other channel lol. I might end up binge watching all these videos this week. Ok be well Hannah 👌🏻
Same found these last week and all I have watched since! Hannah is confirming all my fears and thoughts about current society😅
bro same 😂
I love the irony of that "school is made to make children conform" and "I wanted to build a community of people that think the same" are sentences uttered by the same person.
Thinking the same got me too. One of the reasons I want my kids at school is so that they see a role model who doesn't have the same cognitive biases that I do.
You forgot when she says "I want my kids to know how to follow instructions"
She’s so oblivious it’s scary
One of the moms says “Someone says what if he wants to be a lawyer or a doctor. I’m not one of those so why would he want to be??”
My parents are a teacher and an electrical engineer. My oldest brother is in finance, my second oldest brother is a carpenter, third oldest brother is in the military and wants to be a lawyer after his time is served. I wanted to be a doctor but am in my masters right now for stem cell biology, now I’m looking into biotech and pharmaceuticals.
Our parents and the public school system gave us the opportunities to dip our toes into different subjects to find our passions. Her child will never get that opportunity.
(Oh, and I learned basic life skills because my parents were active parents even both working full time jobs + second jobs)
As a child of a manipulative mother, Kelsey’s tone of voice is sincerely terrifying for children who experience anxiety. It sounds rushed, frustrated. I feel so sorry for these children. I hope they are able to become independent, beautiful people once they’re able to think for themselves.
Yeah , wasn’t sure what it was about her gave me flight or fight feelings
Yes! I know exactly what you mean! Like, immediately repulsed.
as an adult with anxiety: She's still stressing me out
This. I would feel terrified of answering questions or always feeling like I was in trouble.
I can only imagine that this is what it sounds like to be in their home. Ugh.
I died of laughter when the one girl said about why school were formed and how they are bad. My great grandpa grew up like a pioneer, born in the 1920s in the country and i was lucky to have him till i was 24 years old he taught me about his experience and what he learned from his father, who was born in the 1860s. He told me that even if you wanted to go to school, they had to miss school sometimes to farm or hunt so their families could survive. School is a privilege our kids have now that kids didn't always have. They were doing hard labor & he only got grade 10 and was lucky enough because he was so smart to do an equivalency test and go to university and became an accountant. He was one of the lucky ones. These people don't understand what the world USED to be like.
I think my dad was taken out of school fairly young to work on farm. He was the oldest, born in 1931. He did ok in life. But not saying you don't need proper education. That's the way it was back then, his family was German immigrants.
perfect insight on this! school is a privilege! These homeschooling, unschooling seem really american and as someone from another country Iit always seems to me like some americans have too many privileges and too much time so they end up making up problems where there wasn't any... not to say it's not ok to question thing and how things are done, that's healthy, but to say you are better equipped to teach your precious baby better than people going out there and studying a lot to do it, because your baby needs more time with mommy and daddy is wild. I think schools can be very toxic due to bullying and etc, but kids need to socialise, learnto coexist with different ideas and cultures and need to learn other worldviews and skills you are not equipped to teach.
Actually harvest season is why we have summer break. It was so kids could spend all day on the farm during the busy time of year, harvest.
Most kids did not go to school past 5th grade. That being said, they were also far better educated than we are today. Have you ever seen a 5th grade math book from the 1800s? It's Algebra and geometry.
Smaller classes with kids of all ages teaching each other. Having to teach is a great way to learn. The teacher in the room oversaw everything as well as taught lessons to the older kids who would teach lessons to the younger ones. This is just how it worked backed them. All forms of education have plusses and minuses. However, when they are done correctly the goal is a well rounded young adult. Some public schools are a true nightmare and others are wonderful, just like some private and homeschooling, and alternative schools. These are examples of the wrong way.
@StartwithDawn yes some of the schooling might have been better, but not always. They had one class and therefore, many lessons at once instead of classes today focusing on one level or two, which helps for better understanding & my grandfather would tell me they missed much more school then just summer, you had hunt in fall and get a buck to survive the winter. You'd be lucky to go regularly or if you survived to adulthood (they often had many kids cause many would die before adulthood and for helping on the farm). My great grandparents saw many people die in the great depression of the 30s. An orange was a treat at Christmas. They were not even nourished enough for proper development at that time. Our kids now don't have work like young people back then. So we are more privileged than back then, all kids know how to read and write which wasnt case back then. & I agree schools are bad in some ways, I too was bullied as a child but education is still so important. My point is, no matter how school is done we are all educated and education is a good thing.
I always hated school, my mom would tell me women in Afghanistan would love to go to school
My grandmother grew up in a poor rural village in China where nobody went to school. She learned only what her parents knew and then fled persecution during the Cultural Revolution. She remained illiterate and spoke in a dialect I couldn't understand. Only her children knew what she was saying, and she was entirely reliant on them for everything. She never left home because was afraid of the city, but she loves cooking and makes very heartwarming meals. That's unschooling right there.
Unschooling has been the default for most of human history but these influencers are making it sound novel. They say this because they themselves are uninformed but are confident as heck (Dunning Kruger effect). And then they get hold of an iPhone and start talking nonsense on the internet without even realizing that the internet itself can never be built by unschooled people. Oh the irony.
Agreed! It's novel because it comes from privilege. And yet the children will be anything but privileged by the end.
I rarely applaud anything on UA-cam....but bravo! Well said! (not that you need any validation from me - I just enjoyed your comment)
These kids would not be able to compete with others, especially the immigrant students, later in life............
My thoughts exactly. Unschooling is what poor people in rural areas around the world did and still do.. not send their kids to school due to lack of money or even no schools nearby. Today, in a place where public schools exist, it's just child abuse imo. They take away their children's opportunity to make something out of themselves.
I‘m SO glad that this is forbidden in my country. Where I live it’s compulsory to send your kids to school and if they don’t go, there will be consequences leading up to taking the children out of their family in extreme cases. I work as a school psychologist and you won’t believe how bad some parents can be for their child. And making a freaking trend out if it makes me sick. Why is something like this still legal in developed countries??
That grocery trip footage made me feel so uneasy. She was talking AT her child, not asking questions, not explaining or involving him in the process at all, just saying, “this is what you wanna do.” As a teacher, I could spot TONS of missed opportunities for learning just in that tiny clip. She TOLD him to buy the whole pineapple because it was cheaper than the sliced, but she could have had him read and compare the prices himself. She counted the produce in the cart instead of inviting her toddler to do so. She told them to check the strawberries for mold, but could have had a conversation asking him about the qualities and properties of the strawberries, explaining what mold is, etc.
Even though I DON’T think a trip to the grocery store is a sufficient replacement for a proper math curriculum, she didn’t even take advantage of the learning opportunities therein! And she thinks herself a better teacher than the schoolteachers! It’s just shameful and so upsetting. These poor babies.
I attended high school with an UnSchooled kid.
She was borderline illiterate at 16 and struggled with basic math. She only graduated when she did (about six months after the rest of our class) because she attended summer school, zero hour, night AND weekend classes to make up for all the credits she was missing since middle school. She also hired me and other classmates to tutor her in English, Science and Math so she’d keep up with the regular courses.
It's sad that this happened to her, but good for her for working so hard.
This ia what I thought at first: what will it be like for the 'unschooled' child?
@javaadaros They utterly resent their parents as they realize very quickly how they knowingly set them up to fail in the real world.
@@javaadaros From what I’ve seen through my classmate, she resented her mom. She was only allowed to attend school after she moved out of her mother’s house and into her dad’s when he was awarded full custody.
@@MissGreenTeaLady Spite is a powerful motivator lol. Based on my limited interactions, her mom’s an odious, egocentric individual. I’m still baffled that such a pleasant and determined young woman came from that kind of person.
"I don't want them to spend 8 hours at their desks; they need to learn real skills to prepare themselves for the adult life," she says, as if the majority of our adult lives is not spent sitting at our desks and working.
To her, working is scamming people, trying to run unpermitted Airbnbs, and posting suggestive content online regardless of whether it is situationally appropriate.
For people with a white collar jobs, maybe. But I get your point.
@@mhawang8204 The full quote is: "You learn how to sit down, pay attention and do what you're told..."
Show me a job that doesn't require at least one of those things. Even if you're an influencer, you still have to pay attention and be on your phone (often while sitting down).
My mouth fell open when that mom showed her 6 year old’s writing…. and bragging about it.
@@Juleru it's funny because she definitely expects her (actual) downline to do those things.
As a child free woman, when I hear things like “unschooling” all I hear is “I regret having kids because I didn’t know there would be so much work.” Like wtf is happening.
Agree. Which at the same doesn't make sense because school would be essentially free childcare for them. So weird.
@@mlee1285yeah, I think of it more like they don’t want them in public school, but homeschooling is too much work so they create this other thing to cover their ridiculousness.
Like they want control, but without the work
Agreed.
I feel like they're treating their kid more like a pet than a human being who's going to be an adult someday
This even being legal has to be the most American approach to the education system I could think of
My parents were drug addicts and I missed about 50% of schooling Kindergarten through 8th grade. They started doing better in my high school years but I was struggling so much. Mainly with the social aspect. After moving countless times and being the “new kid” at 13 different schools I pretty much gave up. If it wasn’t for a super supportive administration and the school psychologist that basically adopted me I wouldn’t have graduated.
My son has had perfect attendance for as long as he’s been in school. He’s a star student. He makes it look like a cakewalk.
These parents have NO IDEA how incredibly privileged they are.
Sounds like you are doing such a great job with your son ❤
thanks for sharing your story! ❤
I feel sorry for you, but I'm curious: how is it possible? In my country unschooling is illegal and if a kid skips school too often he or she can be pulled out of the family... Like, nobody cared?..
@@ЕкатеринаАн-у3б Yep.. I was in an out of foster care. And when you miss enough school they start taking the parents to court etc. etc. so people and systems were involved but I think they tried working with my parents a lot before taking us away.
Every second I had to watch Kelsey Rhae's videos, my ears hurt. She's so negatively loud and disruptive. After her videos, listening to your voice calmly speaking facts is heaven 😭
Same here. I almost didn't even want to finish the video simply because of her.
Every time I heard her say "I trust my instincts" it was completely cringe. Lady, that's not how empirical knowledge works.
I don't want to be a hater, but the way she speaks is so full of rage, like I cannot.
Learning how to regulate the volume and pitch when one speaks is one of the added benefits of a formal education ("Please use your indoor voice."). Something that's been lost on that lady.
@@abhimac27 It's okay to be a hater privately (⌐■-■)
Kelsey’s grocery shopping video with her son just showed her being a lazy & irresponsible parent. She rushed him and didn’t teach him anything.
She spent more time talking to her phone than "teaching". Poor kid
It just shows how knowing information doesn't mean you know how to teach the information. I learned that the hard way when I became a parent, when my first started asking me questions like, "Mommy, what are taxes?" I know what taxes are, but how do I explain the concept in a way a 4 y.o. would understand? Or how do you get a kid to understand that just because this glass of water is taller does not mean it has a larger volume than the other?
I would also like to add that during that shopping trip, she kinda taught her kid an incorrect concept, or at least an incomplete one. The lowest price on the tag isn't always the best price. It's the lowest $/lb, or $/oz, or $/unit.
For example, the 1 lb bag of oranges is $2, but the 3 lb bag of oranges is $5. Which is the best price? A little kid will always say the $2 bag.
Of course she had to rush him, she's an 'influencer' and a 30-second pause (think about that - 30 seconds!) would be too long for her followers that they'd click away. Once again she sacrifices her children for her own prejudices and ignorance.
These moms talking about all these topics they're going to teach their kid while "unschooling" are literally just describing what any good parent should be teaching their children. Those skills have nothing to do with academics, however, and that is why school exists. Also, us homeschoolers do not want to be mentioned in the same breath as "unschooling." We don't claim you
As a non US person, it is just crazy for me that parents are allowed to take their children out of the education system like that. Crazy.
Same. Here where I live they will take your child away from the parents if they attempt to do this. Children have to go to school, it's the law
Homeschooling can be a wonderful choice when done properly for some kids. Unschooling is ite ugly cousin
@@margaridamdl In the US, your child has to be in school or you will get in trouble legally. If you want to homeschool or Unschool, you have to submit paperwork and whatever else the state requires. Each state has its own set of rules, some are stricter than others. New York has crazy strict rules, Taxas has little to none. It varies by state.
I'm in the US, and it's bonkers to me. Structured, well done homeschool/online school can be a great option (for instance, the kid is being bullied). But this unschooling crap is a fucking nightmare.
It's crazy to us here in the U.S. too.
teachers are not here to teach your kid life skills. That is your job as a parent. They are here to teach the core skills, reading, math, science, etc. She's just parenting.
+1,000, preach, sing it, amen, etc. When Kelsey Rhae started in on the schools being there to teach life skills rather than academic curriculum, I got stabbed in the eye by a red flag popping out of my screen.
My mom was a teacher for almost 40 years total. When I was in college or so, I'd hear some of her stories from the job and reply with versions of, "I'm getting the impression that parents expect you not to EDUCATION their kids but to RAISE their kids." Bear in mind, these were conversations from the early 1990s here. Thus, those kids are now roughly the age of - wait for it - Kelsey Rhae. So small wonder that we're suddenly experiencing a throng of TikTok moms and dads whose view of the education system is so badly skewed. We're now at least two generations deep of a severe misunderstanding of what schools seek to accomplish.
Also, WTF elementary schools have kids in school for eight hours a day? I work at a high school, and the school day is only six hours, not counting the lunch break. Hard for me to believe elementary schools have longer rather than shorter days than that. The irony is that elsewhere on TikTok right now are people who have entered the world of work/adulting for the first time, and they're undergoing a culture shock from the eight-hour work day. So clearly the school days were shorter for them.
Yet another example of how badly Kelsey and others like her are completely talking out of their asses.
Agreed. Thats called parenting. However; I will say when I was in high school I took an elective called “Life Skills” that taught us how to interview, how to apply for jobs, write cover letters, how to read credit card statements, how to balance your checkbook, and the basics of taxes and it was incredibly helpful to work on those skills in a classroom setting with peers and having practicing interviews etc. I graduated in 2013 and I wish everyone had even known that elective was even offered. We got to ask our teacher about anything we were confused about- like how to apply for loans or something like that without fear of being lectured by a parent.
As an adult and new mom I wish I had also taken some sort of home economics that was no longer offered while I was in school.
Yes, when in the one clip she was talking about people will be in their 30's and not know how to cook, I went, "That's on the parents."
It's ironic that she says she wants to build a community of women that think alike.... but doesn't want her child to "conform to what the government wants them to learn".
I thought the same thing
This
'Don't indoctrinate my kid. Let ME do it' 😡
@@mirimariana "They don't own my kid, I do!"
1 kg apples for 1.99 €
2 kg apples for 2.30 €
Go for the lowest prize, kid! 👏👏👏
It's not just lazy, it's a legal form of abuse. These "parents" want successful children but are just setting them up for failure.
It’s barely legal, if investigated I bet it would be found to be a strong case of educational neglect.
There have been cases of children dying from abuse or malnutrition just shortly after their parents pulled them from school. This is dangerous.
@@cordeliacullen2621it’s not legal in my state, and we are in the top five worst public education in the nation, so that says a lot. I don’t understand how people are getting away with this. If you have children and aren’t reporting education standards to the state, they will arrest your ass and get the kids somewhere else
@@aKBnB I've noticed some "van life" parents do unschooling. With no fixed address, there's no one to report to. They are basically child abusers on the run.
@@yeeyeeyeeyeOh stop. Many millions of ppl have been successfully HSed without abuse. It happens while ppl are in public school, as well. You're using rare cases to try and demonize parents taking control of their own kids education instead of giving them to the state.
Yeah you said it perfectly right. Unschooling is basically just parenting. The parenting that happens outside of school every single day. This is so unreal it makes me wanna shake those people.
It’s parenting plus educational neglect
I know so many parents from my coop who unschooled and the results ranged from poor reading skills to poor math and science skills. The major advantage of homeschooling is that the students can complete all the daily assignments in 3hr to 4hr freeing up time to focus extracurricular activities. My youngest did dance 5x/week.
If I were left to decide my curriculum as a child, I would have studied nothing but cute boy celebrities.
"Mom, I'd like to learn about the Baskstreet Boys this school year.... and NOTHING else."
Haha, so true 😅
Master’s Degree in Justin Timberlake. 😂😂😂
@@catherinemaryfairweather 🤣🤣🤣
Yup. Mine would have been dinosaurs, dragons and horses. Literally nothing else lol
So, if they are now calling good ol parenting "unschooling" and acting like this is a new concept to them, what were they doing before? Because if they were *actually* parenting their kids, they would know that "unschooling" is not different.
I homeschool my three kiddos and never in a million years would I call public school “free babysitting”. We have our personal convictions for why we homeschool, but I have the utmost respect for teachers-dare I say more than the average person because as the role of educator for my kids, I know it’s not easy.
Anyway-thank you for highlighting the differences in unschool vs homeschool. Our day is very structured between our core curriculum and enrichment, plus our local homeschool groups and extracurriculars. I can’t imagine leaving my kids to fend for themselves with their education.
you seem like very responsible parents 👏🏻. In Spain, we don’t have the option of homeschooling but even as a teacher myself I can understand why some people in the US take this path. But as you say I never get why there is this need of undermining school. Thank you for your words ❤
you’re such a responsible and amazing parent. thank you for making sure your kids are properly educated and socialized!
You're a GREAT parent! Homeschooling is really hard. You're doing a good, responsible job. ❤️
Yes. Understanding the difference is critical. Homeschooling still follows specific curriculum, has structure and it's a full time job for parent.
Thank you for the comment!
It's important to remember in this debate that a lot of parents choose to homeschool because they take their child's education VERY seriously. Your approach sounds wonderful 💝
Hannah, i think your opinion is spot on here. I was homeschooled by my dad who is a physicist and a DEVOTED, DISCIPLINED parent. I had that magical childhood coupled with the ability to achieve what i wanted in my life and career. But i DO NOT RECOMMEND you do this unless you are determined, disciplined, and really enjoy your children and their company. I love homeschooling but unschooling it's just laziness. A kid CANNOT tell you what they don't know because they DON'T KNOW IT! You have to introduce things, teach reading, math, science, music etc. Discipline to do things you don't want to do IS a life skill and you learn it primarily in school.
Something tells me that Kelsey doesn’t have a lot of interest in Science, history or math.
"Unless you are determined, disciplined, and enjoy your children" -- I'd add EDUCATED to that list.
Your last point is spot on!! I remind my students that that is part of my class and part of life! Sometimes the best lesson students gain from a course (especially one they don't like) is a skill that will benefit them later on.
Yes! I homeschool but the idea of unschooling is strange to me. There are plenty of things we don't WANT to learn but still need to know.
@@deborahcombs1631 educated and open minded about things you don't know. If somebody really is determined to teach their children all by themselves, even with cirruculum, they should be ready to learn by themselves, because "I do remember something from my school days" is not enough. Kids thrive the most by asking questions and they need answers. Also, parents should be open to say "I don't know".
*Crazy* how my 3 kids are all in public school 40 hours a week and ALSO in sports, come to the grocery store with me, garden with me, and know life skills. 😂
Right? The park, zoo, and aquarium are open on the weekends, too.
Who would have thunk it?
I’ve had nothing but a bad experience in public school🤷♀️ my daughter hated it because of all the weird kids talking about cutting themselves and woke teachers. I put her in a private Christian school and so far she’s liking it. My son is autistic and public school has been a nightmare. So consider yourself extremely lucky.
I was in school even more than that (L to F from 8am to 5 pm and sometimes even longer) and I also did all that OUTSIDE of school 😂
We also travelled the word, know how to play an instrument and participate in PLENTY of cultural experiences (museums, festivals, artisans fairs…)
@@88Tex How old is your daughter? And what does it even mean woke teachers?
Don’t run them into the ground though. My partner has a mother that sounds like you and it was detrimental tal to his mental health. Literally made him attempt his life.
So... she was homeschooled, admits she was behind, began doing drugs as a kid, and became a felon by 16. But she knows better than teachers with graduate degrees. You'd think she'd want everything for her kids that she missed out on. Like an education.
Hannah’s face when Kelsey referred to her children as her “downline” was everything I needed😂
Calling her child her downline is such a crazy slip lmao
sorry to ask this but english is not my first language and all the comment about downline made me question what you are supposed to say instead like i know instantly that its the wrong word but i am not sure about what i should say
Freud is going nuts
@@ranoomsh1464 "Descendants" is probably the least weird way to refer to your children in this context
@@larissabrglum3856 thank you so much
There is this business model called multi level marketing, mlm for short. It's basically a pyramid scheme. You get people to sign up under you, they are called your downline. You are the upline. Your downline has their own downline, so on. So calling the kids downline seems like he's calling them her customers instead of her family
My parents did this to me. Unschooling is truly evil and I will die on this hill. It has held me back in more ways than I could possibly even fathom. Do not do this to your children. Shame on those who do.
When the second woman is talking about what she's going to teach her child ( 35:07 ) the look on her face just shows that this is one of the first times she's thought about the things that she as a parent should be teaching her child 🫠
Also it’s a red flag safety wise if a kid just stops showing up at school. A lot of abusers will just stop sending kids to school
I am no expert at all I just watch true crime stories from time to time but I have heard so many instances ot this happening and the school does little to nothing which ends up hurting the child. That’s why these rules are in place, for the “rare” cases like these
A child having bad attendance at school is a good indicator of neglect, abuse, or other mistreatment in the home. And much more likely than the kidnapping example given in the video.
Forcing attendance means vulnerable kids get education, food, and care that they may not get at home. It's a life changing opportunity for a child who's parents don't care.
She seems like the type tbh
i was homeschooled and had an incredible experience because my mom did her research, gave us each specialized attention, put my siblings in school who benefitted better from a public education, went out of her way to socialize us with people our age, and on top of that taught us the life skills that a typical parent should teach.
“unschooling” being seen or even mistaken as lazy homeschooling upsets me because it gives homeschooling a bad name and discredits the work parents like my mom put into our education.
As a homeschool Mom, it bothers me that people assume that unschooling is almost synonymous with homeschooling bc I homeschool my 5yo and I work my butt off to make sure he’s being challenged properly. We work with curriculums, set goals, and work for hours every week. Thank you for understanding the difference!
Exactly. I bought into "unschooling" (not the way it's depicted here nor out of laziness) for a time but it absolutely did not work for our family. We now have a full blown curriculum, high standars, rigor, consistent routine and discipline. Guess what? My kids are much more excited to learn and ARE!
I want to do homeschooling for my son but he's too young at the moment. How did you decide which home school curriculum is right for your child?
I knew she was an MLM girl boss the second she called the future generations of her family her “down line”😭😭
13:40 She's supposedly educating her child, yet doesn't know the colors of the rainbow??? 😂
Apparently, her child DOES know the colors, so she’s ‘unschooling’ her mother.
These parents are jeopardizing their kid's futures to the point of no return. We've seen the effects of the pandemic years on schooling and that was just a couple of years. Imagine the effects of no formal schooling for all your formative years, this is horrifying. Teaching your kids things they're curious about is great, but they need that formal education for their futures!
And the socialization aspect- so crucial.
@@RenayOpishYES!
@@RenayOpish Yes, it's so important for kids to have peers to socialize and learn with - this is heartbreaking
@@RenayOpishThis idea that HS kids lack socialization is a nonsensical stereotype. This isn't decades ago.
They actually get a broader range of socialization. They're typically in HS groups, numerous extracurricular activities, etc. Research shows they score above average on social and emotional development.
@@EgoBrain1 Again, cite your studies.
Unschooling moms legit describe regular involved parenting and act like that's something impressive that no public school parent ever does.
Legit or that these skills aren't covered in different ways at school too! I teach 5-6 year olds and we do a lot of life teaching like how manners, how to ask for things you want, how to communicate your feelings with others, set boundaries etc. We create opportunities for children to find and follow their interests, we encourage them to learn outside and experience nature.
THANK YOU. This is like... Regular life/weekends for us ...museums, gardens, chores, cooking, money, sports, music...😅 and my kids attend public schools 🤷🏼♀️
As a nurse, I often see people overlook the importance of a doctor's note. Many forget why it’s crucial for helping your child's school provide the right support. In Kelsey's case, it also prevents misuse of sick leave policies, which can help her avoid future problems, like her child being removed from school permanently. It's essential for tracking your child’s health and managing serious concerns.
It’s surprising how some people dismiss the importance of a doctor’s note and get upset when schools request one. From my perspective, I understand its significance and realize that not everyone has the same level of knowledge, which may make me seem biased.
Jesus H. Christ! Did we get the whole story of her crime? I noticed she's now marketing herself as a success story on her socials.
I am loving your work!!!! I’ll be back later-I’ve had enough of the internet for today, lol.
Former teacher with an MAT here. Kids. Need. Structure. Elementary teachers are largely saints. My sister is doing homeschooling with a curriculum and some online classes and how she manages to keep that good structure up, I don’t know.
But yeah, she and public/private elementary teachers do customize the curriculum to the needs and interests of the kids, but structure is extremely necessary.
Also, “a community of people who all think the same” could also be called… a cult.
A community of people could also just be simply… a ✨community✨ which is something this country is lacking
Well there are nothing but cults in the USA then. Lol
@@ashleydavid8997 Yes, but you've overlooked the key part here, which is that they all think the same, thus the allusion to a cult. A real community includes people with varying perspectives and opinions.
@@ashleydavid8997 a community doesn’t generally demand thinking exactly the same, and would rather have discussions between people with differing opinions. A high-control group/cult demands that, as demonstrated in the BITE model. The T stands for thought control.
Just so I get this right, I heard due to her not being in school and being loosely “homeschooled” led her to drinking and drugs which led to being a felon at 16 and not having a career/job in her adult life. She now is choosing to do the same with her kids because it worked so well for her. Got it!
PRE-Cisely.
One might say her ignorance of all the ways this could go wrong for her kids might be directly related to the fact that she herself didn’t get a decent education… which would also explain the fact that all the above would not be obvious to her in the first place 🤦🏻♀️
This is literally how generational trauma runs in families. The more I hear about Kelsey, the more I want CPS to give her a visit.
To me unschool parents come across as people who absolutely hated school for a variety of reasons and now refuse to ‘deal with it again as adults. It’s incredibly selfish to assume the system will fail their kids as well without giving them a chance
I only know one family that tried unschooling, and that was definitely the case with them. I can't speak for others. But thankfully, they realized that their child learned nothing during his year of unschooling, and they put him in school the following year. I can't imagine how behind he would have been otherwise.
What's really ironic about that situation is that, for all these people talk about life skills, the child I know has like zero life skills. He didn't even learn to tie his shoes til he was 10 or 11. I tried to tell him to make himself a PB&J (at 12 y.o.), and he was like, "I don't know how. Can you do it for me?" Meanwhile, my public school child (8 y.o.) has some basic knife skills and has been learning how to cook. He uses the stove and everything.
Well to be fair the system is failing the kids, they're failing mine. Hell they've failed mine on an educational level & most recently on a safety level.
That being said I have mixed feelings on both unschooling and homeschooling.
I loved school, I used to be a teacher but I now unschool my autistic daughter. The education system, in the UK at least, IS failing. My daughter was at a lovely school but the system as a whole is not set up for ND kids.
in my country, Poland, homeschooling is an option almost EXCLUSIVE for particular reasons like a child seriously sick, too often absent to attend classes, never heard of homeschooling a healthy child/teenager that leaves nearby their whole life...
my favourite part is at 35:12 when she says "we're going to be doing lots of sports...cause we will now have time to do so" when most sports clubs for kids start after school finishes. on account of, y'know, kids being in school.
Ha you are so right!
She probably means "they will have time to do sports because I can make them do housework for me during the day while I sell ketones"
This is true. What’s interesting though, is in cities with a larger homeschooling population, places organize lessons and practices during regular school hours specifically for homeschoolers. We live in a city that (for several geopolitical reasons) has a HUGE homeschool population, and there’s everything from arts to sports available in the mornings and early afternoon.
@@kbird6208That is exactly how I understood that 😂 ( it is actually really sad 😢 )
My niece has been in gymnastics & dance since she was 2 while my nephew has done baseball, soccer & football all while still going to school lol This lady would be amazed at the scheduling & how much free time they both have had.
These moms talk about unschooling their kids to teach them “life skills”, but there are some very important life skills they’re not teaching them. Like how sometimes you have to learn things you’re not interested in. Sometimes you have to follow rules you don’t like in order for society to function. And, most importantly, not everything is about YOU.
Yes, like cleaning her car for example, I am sure they wanted to do that.
Yes. We homeschool, but sometimes my kids have to sit through an uninteresting lesson (relatively speaking) so that we can make it to the fun stuff. Wanna make a model of a cell out of jello? Then, we are going to have to go through this informational packet first.
We have fun. We do serious learning. We do assessments (and are ahead of grade level). There is time in the day to do it all.
I was "unschooled" for half a year in high school. The abuse I faced during that time tripled, i worry for other kids that aren't able to get help like i was.
I knew someone who grew up in a home like this. Her parents were brilliant, but they never sent her to school because they didn't believe in the government's system. She was also dyslexic. She ended up being years behind, and had to be privately tutored to learn how to read at age 10/11, and had to continue for years to be able to pass her GED so that she could go to college.
We “homeschool” but it’s a co-op led by teachers who didn’t want to work in schools full-time when they had their own children. So while my kiddos aren’t in “public school,” they are getting educations by educational professionals/real teachers and still take standardized tests. Just a smaller environment and we do have more time for extra play.
This version of “schooling” is absolutely absurd. These poor children can’t read??? Ugh.
Fr you need some basic reading and mathematics in order to survived the real word this type of "schooling" is doing disservice to the kids cause they would not know how to do basic things in everyday society
I’m a former educator and I think this is really the best form of homeschooling. It’s evidence-based and meant to support academics. Too many people homeschool to push their own indoctrination on children & the kids pay for it with lack of evidence-based education and stunted social abilities. And before anyone says it: that is not meant to be a sweeping generalization; that’s just my experience with formerly homeschooled children as a former educator 👍🏻
I think this is what basically everyone would do if they could afford it in their community. I know I would! ❤
@@eckillaHSed kids typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. They score better regardless of their parents’ level of formal education, their family’s household income, or their teaching credentials. Or lack of. 78% of peer-reviewed studies on academic achievement show HS students perform statistically significantly better than those in institutional schools.
They typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions and they typically go to college with more college credits. They're also actively recruited by colleges. The high achievement level of homeschoolers is readily recognized by recruiters from some of the best colleges in the nation. Schools such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale, Penn State, Princeton, Perdue, Vassar, and Duke University all actively recruit HSers. And so so basically all of the rest. The following is a quote taken from Jon Reider, a Stanford University admissions officer, “Homeschoolers bring certain skills - motivation, curiosity, the capacity to be responsible for their education - that high schools don’t induce very well."
It is an old stereotype that they're not socialized well. Average HSed kids routinely participate in eight social activities outside of the home. They can easily do this since they have more time. They have a much broader range of socialization. Those in public schools are placed in rooms of kids only their own age, which is not typical to the real world, and they're rarely allowed to talk. PS also has a large negative socialization problem. (Bullying, for instance)
The HSed are doing well, typically above average, on measures of social, emotional, and psychological development. Research measures include peer interaction, self-concept, leadership skills, family cohesion, participation in community service, and self-esteem.
87% of peer-reviewed studies on social, emotional, and psychological development show that HSed perform statistically significantly better than those in conventional schools.
This, in my opinion, is the best form of homeschooling( and what Im hopefully able to do in future when i have my own kids). It not only prevents parents to assume every role (eg, caretaker and educator), which is something I hate about homeschooling, but it ensures that the child is being taught by someone in the system and who learned how to TEACH their subject area
I’m currently studying for a Master of Science in Molecular Biology. I can’t imagine discovering my passion for biology on my own without the guidance and knowledge of my teachers. While my parents are amazing and have taught me a lot, neither of them is particularly interested in science. It’s hard to see how they could have nurtured my love for the subject. I’m frustrated by the thought that irresponsible parents might be depriving society of future scientists by not even giving their children a chance.
Btw, my first language is Spanish. School is the reason I’m able to communicate in another language.
Same for me as a graphic designer. My parents don’t care for art or technology so my love for either of those things that helped me develop into my graphic designer today would’ve made no sense. No way for me to have nurtured that without all the amazing teachers I met along the way that saw something in me and helped me develop them because my parents didn’t have the skill for it.
Good for you! I teach marine biology which is light years away from my parents’ professions so I can’t even imagine lol.
I worry too that like let’s say these unschooled kids DO stumble onto an advanced science and think “hey I want to do that!” You typically need a lot of core science background and math and so on before you can even jump into the higher level stuff. There’s a high chance they’ll be excluded before even starting out if they didn’t also happen to develop an interest in chemistry, algebra, bio etc at some point in their past “education”. Are they going back to learn all those subjects first? It’s sad thinking someone might not try something or might give up on a career goal because being raised this way gave them too many hurdles.
“Let’s create a community who all think the same!!” … isn’t that what she is against public school and the government..? 😂😂😂
I don't understand why this people distrust professionals SO MUCH. As a Latina, it's so weird for me how many parents think they know better than actual teachers, calling them “free babysitters” is WILD to me. Thank you for such an incredible video, the personal write-in gave me a lot of insight, furthermore, you touched the subject with a lot of sensitivity and detail, just chef's kiss hi hi.
I’m a former teacher and my theory is that most of us go to school for years, day in and day out, so people *think* they can teach. It must be so easy, right? If I grew up watching someone do brain surgery every day, I might think I could do it too. But there’s so much more you learn when you go to school to actually do that profession. When I hear these parents say they’re the best person to teach their child… it’s like 🫠🤦🏼♀️ are you also your child’s dentist? Speech therapist? Ice hockey coach? Violin teacher?
@@jacquelynroe9036 thank you so much for the work you did, I see teachers and think I COULD NEVER. Not only am I incapable, but I cannot replace the dozens of wonderful teachers I had throughout my life 💕
Thank you for separating homeschool and unschool - they are NOT the same thing at all and it’s so sad people lump these two things together. Thank you for calling out these particular parents for not properly educating their children. We need to start holding people accountable again.
A couple at work home school their two girls while they are at work. Waiting for the day that the police call about parties.
THIS. I am considering homeschool because the public school system is soooo entrenched in harmful ABA and reward-centered PBIS practices that are awful regarding neurodivergent kids. (Plus in my state they have approved Christian religious curriculum for public school! Hells no my kid isn’t gonna be indoctrinated into a religion we don’t follow!)
The amount of curriculum and actual research I’ve done is probably insane and unschooling just seems so damn lazy
I was homeschooled with my sisters for a few years and my mom owned a business. We got to help her do inventory, run the cash register, learn about supply chain stuff, except we were also doing real curriculum every day. When I went back to school in my eighth grade year I was really nervous about being at the same grade level as everyone else, but at one point my mom asked me how my math class was going and I was like 'it's good, I think we're still doing review' and my mom said 'it's halfway through the school year, it's not review you just already know all the stuff they're teaching.' 🤣 So I had nothing to worry about... because my mom actually taught us stuff!!
That's awesome👌🏻.
@@kariay50ur mom is not everybody mom ok? Chill out. Some mom are trash can.
Kudos to your mom!
as a counselor, I have dealt with a couple unschooled kids. they turn 16, realize they want to go to college, then show up to a public school with no credits, no chance of passing the HiSET/GED, and a long road to a traditional future.
How long can a kid like that spend in the public schools prepping for the GED or graduation?
@@marissarae in my state, non-IEP kids can only stay in school until the end of their 12th grade year. other states allow 5th year seniors, but fortunately where i am there are some pretty robust adult education programs. if we can't encourage students to go to a more appropriate alternative school, we work with them to either transition to adult ed when they turn 18 or help them navigate equivalency tests.
Good for them! As a human being who can think for itself, I and many others have been waiting many decades for teachers to wake up and realize that you are indoctrinating children, not teaching them. The only time you teach them is when you teach them things you learned yourself, or skills or a trade. You rely on textbooks and programming given to you.I'm a former teacher. There's a reason I quit. I encourage you to research what you are teaching children.
I need more professionals like yourself to continue to speak out.
I know unschoolers who have gone to Stanford and MIT.
I am a nurse educator and am working on my masters. I’ve been educating in an informal capacity for about 13 years. I couldn’t teach my son what he learns in school. He’s on the national elementary society honor roll and has been on the principals honor roll list for at least the last 4 years. He’s getting the education he needs, the social integration that he needs, and he loves school and showing us his grades, progress reports & report cards. He’s thriving…. These people are crazy.
I'm a Montessori teacher who had a Montessori education and I think the inclination to allow for children to make choices as to what they will learn and when isn't inherently wrong, it's the technique used to go about that. In the Montessori classroom a child is given a list of hand on "assignments" but they can complete those in their time in whatever order they want. This allows for the child to get to truly enjoy their favorite school topics and lessons but also solidifies that some things you just have to get done in life even if you don't want to. For instance: I loved and really understood counting money and change but I really didn't understand reading clocks. so as a child I learned to do my assignments with counting time first so I could spend the rest of my time enjoying counting money. Here's the kicker: BOTH OF THOSE TOPICS ARE IMPORTANT.
Exactly. Concentrating more on the favorite subjects isn't bad, as long as all the basics are covered.
There is no research that proves Montessori education has an advantage for children over public school.
@@nom3nnescioThey never said it does
We do this with my daughter. She has to work through maths and English. Then we are doing cookery. Art and design. Nutrition. Pe. And then computer courses. This is because she can't remember facts due to autism and adhd. She is doingbso well at home. But if I let her do anything she wanted she wouldnt do anything... I give her options of which learning she wants to do that day so if she really doesn't want to cook she isn't struggling when she would have been fine doing maths.
@@nom3nnescioI did both. I attended Montessori preschool and after school education with public K-12. The Montessori education put me leaps and bounds ahead of my contemporaries. It also fostered a deep love of learning. My parents had a routine of allowing free outdoor play time after school and before any homework. They also taught me all the “life skills” on a daily basis. They’re not mutually exclusive.
I know two people who did “unschooling” and it was because they found the schooling curriculum way too easy. They both got into university when they were 16 passing all the entrance exams almost perfectly. With that said, they were both super self starters and had tutors for subjects they needed help with, and highly supportive parents. It’s not just a free for all, it’s a lot of hard work and works for very very very few people.
This is probably a rare case of gifted and talented
@@anjolaoluwaoludare8308 as a mother of a gifted child, 100% this. School wouldn't work for my son...at all.
@@anjolaoluwaoludare8308 so if it works, it must be a mistake, because you’ve already made up your mind that it can’t.
I wouldn't call that unschooling.
My 7 year old is ADHD and dyslexic, he struggles so hard with reading and writing. He has the ideas, he understands a lot of concepts but if it's on paper, he just can't sometimes. I'd be utterly lost without our school and the additional help that he has access to there (and the fact that the teachers send me ideas with how I can help him at home is amazing to me)
I think that’s one of the biggest risks are those kids who don’t ’just pick it up’. My kids are both gifted LD. Their first school didn’t get it, but we switched schools, and I’d be HOOPED without them. And I’m a former SLP…
Check out neuroplasticity if you haven't yet. Nectar Group is the one we used. Retraining the brain was super helpful for my child with an auditory processing disorder. They deal with dyslexia a lot!
Penn Holderness has a great youtube channel, and he and his wife have just written a great book 'ADHD is Awesome'