Why SRAM Transmission Is Trash... Guaranteed Electronic Battery Failure + How To Fix!
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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2️⃣ So there you guys have it, there is the sad truth to the GX & SX transmission, I wish I had better to say about this system, but this is such a design flaw, @SRAM We really need this fixed, we pay so much and we have to deal with this, if this was one derailleur, fine, but 4!? Come on... This is such a good idea and you guys are killing it with the X0 & XX But GX & SX need some work...
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Fun fact, SRAM patented removable batteries on electronic shifters, which is why WheelTop's EDX wireless shifters initially had removable batteries but later had to go to internal batteries since SRAM allegedly threatened to sue them.
This is a company that is barely above patent trolling and won't care if they make the industry worse just so they can have a monopoly on a common sense and consumer oriented feature.
That patent shouldn't have been granted, I read through it it's truly disgusting. Smells fishy
Exactly! My friend has a wheeltop eds the pins have started eroding in the battery! It's not sealed in just 4 hex bolts and comes off but water is sitting in the connection points and now starting to fail! We have resolved the issue ourselves by removing the battery cleaning up the pins and smothering it with waterproof electrical grease! It's sealed it now added a gasket layer been no more issues since doing this, so might be something needed done with these GX batteries if no water run off angles?
@@LaurentiusTriarius wait till you learn that things like inhalers are unreasonably expensive in the US due to random patents held for even the simplest parts. These patents are making the world worse and holding back progress.
My AAA's are replaceable...prior art.
That should be illegal. Removable batteries is nothing new and is so widely used all over the place, so that it is even possible to get that approved is insane.
Personally I feel the electronic hype is so old and I have no interest in it at all. It cost 3 times the price of wired option which is just stupid. You also lack the feel that a wire give you, but... The only application it makes sense is for a dropper given that is only an on/off application. Still, I personally feel it's too overpriced I don't care about any of it.
I would rather spend my money elsewhere, somewhere it counts.
Who would have known that overcomplicating a tried and tested analogue system would inevitably lead to issues
@diamondcreepah3210 but they told us it's better so it must be. Surely they aren't just trying to sell stuff using hype.
But... but you can stand on it!
Yeah everyone using a universal derailleur hanger, and developing a system that doesn't require adjustment screws is overcomplicated....
@@AJHeikkilait requires adjustments. At first manually, then through the app.
But if you are so lazy to ajust 2 screw's 1-2 times through the season... Bike's are not for you.
@@Valentin359 so 2 screws is less complicated than no adjustments?
The micro adjust can be done on the shifter, and I've not needed to use it on my 2 installs. 2 years in and no need to make any micro adjust, you go ahead and continue gatekeeping though.
Bike shop owner here. It’s not just the GX AXS. I’ve had several “old” style AXS derailleurs fail for the same reason.
@@ChefIan73 seems like GX T-Types are failing much more despite being released just for a year?
Yup....had two XX1 derraileurs fail with pogo pin problems. First gen models are pretty easy to replace.
I have a GX axs derailer same issue and know several people the the same issue the pins wear out but sram says you can cycle the battery 10k times I have had it 2 1/2 years out of warranty and no way have I cycle the battery 10 thousand times 🤬
Yeah, thankfully they are, just a couple screws to get to them.
Yeah I know about that. I was reading up on it. I think its less of a "big deal" since its WAY easier to replace the vertical designed AXS.
I had this same exact problem on the older GX AXS. I discovered the problem much faster but the same conclusion. Water causes the pogo pin contact springs to fail. My derailleur was still within the year window so SRAM replaced it no questions asked, likely because they’re trying to avoid bad publicity.
My newer bike is back to non-electric derailleur. There is zero logic to spend this money to fix essentially a non-problem. The shifting is nice, but it’s not worth the trade-off.
I don’t miss these derailleurs or the potential problems they introduce. I want reliability and less parts to manage/charge, not more.
The main reason companies are pushing this tech is to command larger margins for their bottom line. A good mech derailleur is only ~$85 while these electronic ones are ~$600. So do the math…
For what’s it’s worth, I’m an industrial designer/product developer and I go for the best solutions. Take my advice if you want reliability and less work… stick with analogue/mech and avoid unnecessary electronics.
I laughed - there is like $50-$70 of components (if mass-produced) in there on top of a $100 derailleur. Their margin must be 70% at least. You'd think they would check their moulded-o-ring actually stopped water ingress.
You are correct. Could be closer to 68% depending on demand. If the factory is in a "slow" period then it could get to 70+%
Yeah, I'm sure the margin is insane on these products. I know they know about this issue, I'm just surprised that they didn't catch it in testing.
Did you used to work for SRAM? Where did you get the data?
So glad I "settled" on an XT-equipped bike last year.
This is why I hate electronic bike transmissions. Why add something electric on a machine that's meant to be fully-mechanical?
Same. Analog bikes forever! I don't need assist and unneeded batteries and weight. 😊
@@heliosdawnsong yep. Plus the increased rate of failure is a bit alarming in the long term. There's nothing wrong with groupset manufacturers selling electronic transmissions as long as they don't force us consumers to switch to electronic to get better groupsets, just like what SRAM is currently doing. Gotta give a little kudos to Shimano though. At least they only killed mechanical shifting on Ultegra and Dura-Ace.
I have a Dreadnought that came with the GX Transmission drivetrain, it worked great for 2 months no problems, then at a race the derailleur stopped working I tried other batteries and it still wouldn’t shift, I had to race on a different bike. When I got back I got it warranted by SRAM but they claimed it was my fault not a manufacturers error. Anyway it has happened 3 times and I have got it warranted 3 times, all three times it was the outside pogo pin not fully extending. I’m done with transmission
This is great to hear I'm not the only one with this issue. I haven't seen too much on this problem on the newer stuff so I wasn't too sure how common this was. But you alone proves that there is a serious flaw that needs to be addressed... I have been happy not worrying about my derailleur with my cable system 😊
smart move going to shimano cable actuated, reliable, cheap, proven....... battery operated derailleur is such a gimmick
I am just commenting to help the algorithm to get this video out there
The unneeded, missapplication of electronics is ruining everything.
Another flaw that happened on the system with my mothers bike is with the particular POD mounting system that holds control module for the shifter. It is held on by a single torx screw and specialty square washer thing. In a crash that single screw came loose and the control module flew into the bushes and could not be found at first. She had to finish the ride down locked into the gear she was in at the time.
I ended up removing the controller for the dropper post side and playing find it games with my bird dog. Basically training the dog to find an AXS shifter module. Went back up to the spot and the dog found it pretty fast amazingly. But the torx screw and the square washer were not found. Calling SRAM customer service they would NOT sell or provide a replacement torx screw or more critically the specialty square mounting washer thing. They said we had to purchase the entire new mounting arm and the associated parts, for $60 something! Was going to take several weeks to even source and deliver that particular arm at the time. She end up going with a different mount system for the same price only cause she would get it faster.
Bike was still down for quite some time. All due because a single screw came loose and it could of even been way worse. My bad ass little dog was able to sniff out the controller and recover that. If it hadn't been for the dog we never would of found the shifter control and those are another $200+ so probably would of been at least a $300 dollar fix because of one screw. This something that never would of happened with a cable system. Screw comes loose the shifter is still connected by the cables. It doesn't fly into the bushes or off a cliff to get lost. I've never seen a cable'd shifter need a stupid proprietary piece to go back on if the bolt gets lost. You just go to your spare parts, bike shop, hardware store, etc and get another.
Awesome dog! Please give them a good boy or girl pat pat 😊
@TheRoamingHazard the bike industry has for years used non standard parts to make harder to go to industrial suppliers (bolt or bearing shops) to get replacement parts.
It's amazing the amount of bike parts I buy off Facebook for cheap because it needs a part you can't buy. I just machine up a replacement. It wouldn't be hard to make a square washer.
@@paule4204 Thinking back on what happened now I think it was a bit more than just a square washer, might be able to make one. But at the time I wasn't even sure what it looked like, all I knew is that it needed an another part.
SRAM didn't even want to deal with us at all if I remember. They said go to the shop that the bike came from which is useless when she was visiting me hundreds of miles away at the time. Their part PDF just grouped the torx bolt, interface hardware etc, about 5 pieces, together and had no real name or part number for them. And SRAM 100% knows those two pieces are the most likely to get lost.
That is one heck of a story! Interesting, I didn't run the POD, I just used the old paddle shifter because that is just what I liked. But good to know since my dad runs it on both of his bikes.
I'm in the same boat. My dad has a mill and lath so when we run into issues like this we can machine up new non standard parts.
I will never complain again of my good ol 10 speed GX deraileur
Their road dérailleur are known to have similar issues.
Glad you made this video. First I've heard of this flaw but thanks for pointing this out.
How do you design a rear derailer with a battery for a mountain bike and not make it waterproof?
That's sram. They are experts in creating shit products on purpose.
Thanks for speaking up on this issue brotha. I had some friends of mine down at SoCal who probably had the same problem with their GX transmission. Glad I didn't buy the transmission stuff and went mechanical...
No problem my dude, I'm just trying my best to warn people before buying GX/SX T-Type, and to hopefully get SRAM's attention to resolve the issue. Again, this seems to mostly be on GX/SX, not X0 or XX.
There is always contact cleaner spray. Probably eliminate need to disassemble. Cable designs always work.
My xx works fine but, I do apply a thin layer of high quality dielectric grease once in a while for added insurance. I bet if you do this to the GX it will keep this problem for happening you would have to do it as regular maintenance cleaning the pin from time to time. It would not require you remove them just spray clean them work them up and a few times and reapply a thin layer of dielectric grease unless those contact pin are different than the ones on the XX.
Thankfully, it seems that X0 & XX are safe. Since the battery is mounted vertically, its not as susceptible to water sitting in the pins. That could work, they are the same pins so that could be a fix but it's still ridiculous!
Thanks for pointing that out.
I had several AXS DLs but went back to XT and XTR.
Just less worries
Wow. Glad Im still cabled up for now.
Speaking as a rider whose experience goes back to friction shifting from the 70s , i will never ,ever buy electric shifting components. Modern mechanical index shifting is so good and reliable why would anyone change? Look at all the trouble the top tour divide riders have had in the last couple years including lachlan Morton.
Exactly, and a wired option is way easier to troubleshoot, and a wire is easily available and does not need to be charged.
This is really valuable info - thanks, man!
Glad you made this video.
Had the same problem, less than six months old warranty covered it but SRAM take for ever as you have to go through your retailer and then they have to send it to them. RUBBISH
Maybe a cable operated Transmission would be a good idea for those of us that experience rain.
Had previous AXS with problematic clutch and the new T-type works flawlessly in the alps. I do pressure wash but don‘t ride permanently in rain. Use WT-40 do remove water afterwards, should do the job. And make sure the sealing around the contact plate is intact.
Physical components like pogo pins can be replaced, what really bugs me about electronic drivetrains from all manufacturers is what happens when they are no longer supported by software? The phone applications used for setup will eventually be incompatible with newer operating systems and devices, this situation has already affected tons of other consumer devices.
I think most of the AXS stuff will be supported for a while. The OG AXS is still supported and that was released back in 2019. So this will at very minimum be supported for 5-6 years. That way longer then most smart phones nowadays.
If they make it reverse, pogo on the battery side flat contact on the derailleur instead maybe it will help. In case there is a corrosion, it is easy to replace battery.
Thanks for the upload 👍 Do you know if the problems with the GX also affect the APEX AXS found on gravel bikes?
Feel your pain, I have the original version on two bikes in GX, and one XX1. With the old shifter, still going strong.
You did buy second hand so there is no obligation on warranty as you're not the original purchaser.
Completely pays your money and takes your chance
Your mech skills are impressive
Thanks for the great information.
You could probably solve the issue from new if you put some electrical grease on pins each time you install battery...
Good on you for making this video. Sram needs to do better. Electronic contact cleaner spray would help imo
the pins are the issue regardless of how they are oriented. happens on all AXS products.
Good job in fixing it. Super impressed
Thanks man, it was definitely a pain to deal with!
@@thebigoutsidemtb I bet and I feel for you. I’ve always been a Shimano guy. They need something comparable ASAP.
@TheBigOutsideMTB THANK YOU for this video! Great explanation (and the fix seems very complicated). Shame on SRAM for releasing such an inferior product. My friend has been having these exact same issues on his Heckler SL. SRAM should warranty and replace these, similar to have Fox owned the Float X2 failures (I doubt they will, though)
reason why im never moving from XT/XTR lol, pick up the bike and go
So you're telling me I sold my GX AXS drivetrain just before shit hit the fan 😅
Sometimes being broke has it's advantages 😂
Mechanical is king.
3yrs and 6500 miles on my Sram x01 eagle axs on a gravel bike without issues. Original battery also.
SRAM has failed on multiple occasions for me. We all know the issues with the guide brakes. Finally resolved that on my own at my own expense for 2 sets of Guide RSC brakes. Latest issue, I used one of the Stealth-a-majic olives they included in the SRAM Pro Bleed Kit. Trashed my lever master cylinder when the olive got jammed in the MC. Had to purchase a new lever assembly. Later discovered the olive was manufactured incorrectly. Notified SRAM and rather than replace the MC or reimburse me, they graciously offered to send me a new olive. As a lifelong SRAM consumer, I will be investigating other brands for my next bike component purchase. Have already switched to Shimano drivetrain components.
Just another bunch of corporate btards! I had some Easton EC90 road drop bars fail on me whilst going downhill at something around 40mph, due to hitting a deep pothole. The left side of the bar literally snapped off and it was a miracle I did not die! I contacted Easton as the bars were 1 day out of warrenty and all they'd do was sell me a new set, which I able to find cheaper online! Never bought Easton since. That's all these money grabbers listen to sadly, a loss of profits...
One of the reasons to continue riding with cable actuated RD
If SRAM would do a redesign and recall these transmissions affected, well that would be a GOAT move!
They wouldn't even send us one of their stupid proprietary torx bolts that worked lose that holds the POD controller. BUY a whole new arm from a dealer at $60.
Lol. Sram never does that. They don't even admit that they made a mistake in any product. Instead, they release a new version, assuring everyone that it is 100 times better than the previous one and you MUST buy one
put some oil or thin grease on the pogo pins (I'll put some Fluidfilm on them) and you're fine. And thanks for sharing as well!
I think doing that could make it worse. It would add somewhere for dirt to build up and make them stick. I was reading on this issue and pepole said they tried cleaning them and it only made it worse. So I don't know if this oil, grease trick would work.
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Well made video. 2 things. Would sram have warranted your one if you were the first owner? Where did you get the pins from?.
@@philr696 you can probably get pins from cheapo axs battery charger.
If I was, seems like it. I was able to measure the pins and purchase them online, there are a tone to choose from but they are available.
That sucks that Sram is unwilling to help and have such a faw that's supposedly gone through rigorous testing, it's a bit like with the sram guides and the plastic piston issue. They just quietly ignored it and changed the design without admitting fault.
I have the holder style gx axs (with vertical battery) for many years, without any electric issues. However this older design doesn't use the spring pins
The Friday just gone I ordered SRAM transmission, luckily it was the X0 version I I hope this doesn't happen to mine.
Good to hear, X0 seems to be fine so you should be safe.
Great content!!
I went and bought the older model GX before T Type design for mine as now 400 new i got mine for! But yeah the warranty passover needs to be looked into especially if it's new used you should still be able to transfer warranties if in warranty time period like most bikes we can do this now so Sram buck up on the time's!
Dielectric grease over and around the pins. Although SRAM should mention this dielectric grease is a normal and common maintenance regimen that should be applied to any electrical connector exposed to the elements.
That could work, but something else to think about is the pogo pins getting gummed up. The grease will attract dust and grim which could get into the pins. And not just that, having to do this every month or couple of weeks is insane.
I've had a di2 shimano groupset for 12 years (100k) and never greased it and it works perfectly. To the point the battery still holds for half a year (basically like it still did)
@@thebigoutsidemtb it’s definitely not a do once and forget kind of thing. You definitely want to add cleaning dirty grease and reapplying to your maintenance schedule (crc makes an electronics safe contact cleaner specifically for that that not only will remove the old grease but clean light corrosion if there is any). It will however keep the moisture and dirt out of the gap between the pins which will stop the corrosion. In addition to that for added peace of mind a very thin o ring around the perimeter where the battery sits held in place with a few small dabs of ca glue.
SRAM definitely should have put some kind of seal around that. It’s a shame that you pay so much for that drive train and something stupid like that makes the thing completely inop. They very easily could have molded a groove either into the battery case or the body of the derailleur for a o-ring or rubber gasket.
@@out_spocken correct me if I’m wrong but that battery stays on the derailleur. You just pop open a rubber plug and plug in a charger cable. Much different (arguably better) than the sram design.
Also had problems like that and i switch to archer components batteries dont last and the motor in the shifter burned after one season no warranty just a deal on a new one so im back xtr with cable no problems and shifts well and archer components is closing doors now
Thanks man
any way you could put any grease to prevent corrosion?
I woulda sprayed the heck out of the pins with Deoxit electrical fader cleaner / lubricant, before attempting that surgery, to see if it busts the corrosion…it’s a bit of a miracle spray on wonky electronics
Not sure if it would work. I was reading on this issue and people were saying they tried cleaning them and it only made it worse. So I'm not too sure if this would fix the issue. A matter of fact, right before my derailleur stopped working completely, I cleaned the pins with isopropyl alcohol. So I'm pretty sure the alcohol made it worse.
i wash my bike often and haven't had this problem yet. I'm lucky in that I have two mountain bikes, one with SRAM GX Transmission, and one with XTR mechanical, so even if sram does fuck up I can still ride. The XTR is SO satisfying to shift. But Transmission is SLIGHTLY better shift performance for the most part.
Mines been running perfect for other 10 months now ,I live in the uk so 90% of my rides
are in the rain , the battery seals perfect on mine and water tight .i jet wash my bike ams I can remove the battery after and connection is bone dry .
I think you unit or battery is damaged as is not sealing
Well lets hope it stays that way :) keep us updated
I had the same issue on an ibis oso. It was warrantied.
Happened multiple times to me already and sram won’t warranty my XO transmission now. Back to cables for now
Or just make gearboxes already
Hold up, it happened to the X0 now too?
@@thebigoutsidemtb it’s possible for sure but this time the cage backed out (main bolt that attached cage to spring held on by a security torx.) couldn’t tighten it on a ride and it damaged the housing to the point it’s not functional.
Oh man, well at least it wasn’t an electrical issue. TBH, I would much rather that then this haha
@@thebigoutsidemtb well the body and cage are shot so I’m shit out of luck 🤷🏽♂️
Pretty frustrating
@@alexthemtbr Yeah, I take that back, pins are cheaper to replace, the body is not. Something I will keep an eye out with my dads X0. This sucks because you have gone though so many of these things and you can't catch a break. I went back to cables and I've gotten the drivetrain off my mind. So much better not having to worry about it.
They are called derailleurs not transmissions ;)
It's actually called Eagle Transmiton by sram. You are transmitoning from good old mechanical derailleur to piece of shit electronic one.
@@grama9837 Sram is American. They try to simplify(stupidify) everything! Now even new names for simple things. What next car = rolling-box? Just go with good old mechanical derailleurs ..;)
Its the actual name... "SRAM Eagle Transmission T-Type"
@@henriks5008 But what can we even expect from them? They’ve even starter their business suing shimano for that they were giving 15% discount to their parts if only shimano was put on a bike. They settled it down out of court and eventually sram started growing.
I wonder if a little dialectic grease would help?
Shimano, there is no substitute ✌
It's cool technology, it never was and won't ever be something I want.
I put a smidge of Dielectric grease on the pogo pins of these and the regular AXS derailleurs to try to avoid exactly this issue. Will it work ? Time will tell. I am going on 2+ years on AXS with no issues but I am new to the AXS Transmission version !
Would use some grease around battery seal. And wipe away all dirt b4 removing the battery..maybe dude that u bought this from contributed to the contacts failing letting dirt contaminant the area. Should grease up ..mount test . Check close when removing. Maybe even electrical tape to seal for muddy or dusty trails . Just don't leave it laying around. Use it.
It sucks to have to deal with crap like this....I have used a few friend's bikes that have AXS on it and it is nice! Clean, smooth shift, makes a cool little sound. But I'm very glad I just keep running analog XO on everything. I just can't stand having to deal with MORE batteries and tech failures when A. I'm trying to have fun. B. Failure could result in me being stuck miles out in the woods with a several hour hike.
I feel your pain.
I love tech stuff, but on my bike it doesn't make sense. (for now anyway....) Ask me again in 2 years. lol
When you say it is so great other than this problem, I guess you mean it shifts as well as a cable😊😊😊
It shifts better then cable but with this issue, no thanks!
I keep finding Sram mech battery covers on the side of the roads in Eryri. This video goes some way to explaining why.
That is the older GX. Those are just for looks and they seem to always fall off. 🤦♂️
New Business idea
Never had any of this with my XX versions of same derrailleur and they have seen massive amounts of water to be honest. I do spray them pins with WD40 every now and then though, which makes sense for contacts like this. But independent of your experience, I can confirm that SRAM warranty is non existing. I have worn out 4 batteries and 2 chargers in 3 years. That is just plain stupid. But then the questions is "whats the alternative" ?
Do you use hanger-less (Transmission) or hangered AXS?
@@drill_fiend1097 Hanger since it was available, and now we have 2 bikes with Transmission//axle mount as well. Are they different in relation to those pins ? I could have a look after work this evening.
@@rubbermoetrokenit seems to do with the battery mount. GX, SX and RED transmissions use a new mount where batteries are mounted vertically. X0 and XX go in horizontally so I guess they are spared due to being old designs? There has to be more context to why they even changed the mount mechanism. Can't believe they didn't design drain holes or rubber seals.
@@drill_fiend1097 Sounds legit. Why would they change to this sub optimal design one would ask himself. The XX/T is also vertically mounted, similar to the hanger ones we have......
@@rubbermoetroken apparently seems like they did it as to avoid battery getting bashed by rock or branch during rides. Still, the battery should sit at an angle (on even surface) and any water between the battery and derailleur should still flow down. I really can't find much GX long term reviews, but I know Seth from Berm Peak is still rocking his GX Transmission on his hardtail.
Could it be that the battery should be removed and the insides be dried after washing or wet ride? Honestly I was going for GX mullet setup until I saw this.
My mate cheap wheeltop eds wireless started doing this he stripped it down removed the sealed in battery 4 hex bolts btw and used a waterproof paste on the contacts for motherboards it fits fixed the issue, gimmie couple hrs I'll try get name of the stuff and edit it in here For you
Good to hear! I think for that, it would work prefect. But sadly, I think the grease would make it worse for the pogo pins since that would add a spot to attract dirt which could gum up the pogo pins.
Madrone Cycles components do rebuilds on Sram AXS & Transmission ders. They are also making an amazing cable activated der that will work with both Sram 1:1 and Shimano 2:1 . Great video & mechanical analysis.
Interesting! I haven't heard of them before, It seems they only work on the old AXS stuff. Do they do pin replacements? if so, that backs this video even more then it already has.
ACF-50. Great dielectric anti corrosion spray
Never even tried an electronic group. I'm sure they're cool and stuff. But, personally, my opinion on SRAM is their stuff always seems to lack durability. Like the alloy they use in much of their parts seems "softer" than Shimano equivalents. Perhaps it's sown to the quality of the anodizing? That's my experience at least. I wonder how Shimanos electronic groups compare in terms of durability?
Funny thing: SRAM RED XPLR, the new super expensive 13 speed transmission for gravel they just released, uses this same battery mounting mechanism, unlike X0 and XX. Seems like both high end users and entry users are at the risk? What was this change even for?
All products with this battery are at risk, regardless of its position.
I didn't even notice that! Good catch! Yeah that one is bound to happen to that along with GX & SX.
This is true, but it is way less likely when they are mounted vertically. There seems to be less problems on the old AXS and the X0 & XX. But yes, it still can and will still happen. It just takes a lot more use to get the pins to stop moving up and down freely on those models.
@@thebigoutsidemtb I am just asking and still think SRAM designed this wrong, but did you use pressure washer while washing the bike? I heard this could lead to water ingression on any AXS derailleurs. Either way, SRAM should give out some kind of silicone cover to keep water out, along with instructions for greasing or WD-40.
@@drill_fiend1097 I did not. Always hose pressure.
Cables never fail. Or can be easily replaced. Electronic shifting sucks. It turns your bike into a throw-away consumable, like a phone.
Cables fail all the time what are you talking about?
@@sgtkurry Yes, but you don'( have to buy a battery.
Well, they do, but normally not catastrophically fail normally. I don't think it sucks, I think this could be easily fixed, its just SRAM chooses not to.
Thanks. I'll avoid wireless
Pogo pin failure is common any time there is contamination, I have observed it in many devices including my turbo encabulator. . Really, are the tiny advantages of an electronic derailleur worth the drawbacks and price? Think hard about that one.
The electronic inside the derailleur (6:37) looks like it costs less than 5 bucks, crazy 🤣 While I like ebikes and stuff, I would not go for electronic shifting, more disadvantages than actual advantages, quite nonsense imo
Freakin A!!! WOW! Thanks man. I actually was getting a new GX T-Type!!! @sram #sram you have to do better!!!
Yeah, I know... It's crazy. Glad I got that out there before you bought it.
big business, big hole.
wo would’ve thought that electric gears could not work in a race?😂
pogo pins? lol. Those always corrode. I'm not even an electronics guy and I could have told sram that.
I think pogo pins were just not the right choice to begin with.
Shimano XT for the win lol.
yeah i agree! how the hell do they not make this water proof???? u pay out of ass for this groupset, and u get shafted like this. Fuk it lol. I was actually considering this, but after seeing that HELL NO!!! Nothing better than a analog, cable actuated derailleur. No charging and no bullshit
10X Now I need to sell my new on the way GX system :-(
Yeah, wish you would have seen this sooner. Something you could also do is run it till it fails, then replace the derailleur with X0. They should all be compatible with each other.
the reason bikes components manufacturer transition into electronics because they can sell more unlike machanical components, just like smart pbones peoples keep changing and upgrade every 1~3 years. Most of The tiny electronics SME for consumer product was egineered that wont last more than4~5 years unless it is military grade. This will ensure companies having long term sales strategy and profits through more market demand
You missed your calling, maybe. You should really look into becoming a brain surgeon. Your mech skills are impressive🎉🎉🎉
Haha, that was my neighbor, full credit to him! Appreciate it man 🤙
Great discovery and fix!
@@davidd4549 Thank you for the help Dave!
hilarious and also quite sad to see the same issue that almost killed my jbl earbuds happen with a 1000+ (currency) electronic rear mech
planned obsolescence
Put some dielectric grease.
Looks like a science project. I ride a free ride e bike and is all analog except for the battery and motor.. Shimano xt cable is the hit bro.👊👊🔥🤘
Haha, it kinda was! Never can go wrong with cable. I think this is a really good system if they would just fix that one flaw, or just go X0 or XX. Either way, this is not acceptable for the consumer to go through this kind of hassle.
I only have one thing to say.
Bahahahahahahahahaha
technology is sposed to make stuff cheaper so
I can understand your frustration but its not guaranteed to fail. Pogo pins can fail on any application with or without water intrusion, there is no such thing as waterproof only water resistant, its possible for SRAM to design a better system but the vast majority of people don't have problems. I have 10k+ miles on 6 separate sets of AXS derailleurs of all types and Reverb dropper posts and zero issues. As for warranty its really up to SRAM, while it would have been nice of them to do a goodwill repair you knew buying second hand there would be no warranty. Your Santa Cruz bike in the background has lifetime warranty on the frame and bearings only for the first owner, they don't do anything for the second owner unless they feel like being nice and might give you a crash replacement discount. Thats why buying used is cheaper, no warranty and its used.
Batteries dont belong on mtb's
Such a gimmick and hardly practical…. Soon enough they will have a button to preload your suspension so you won’t have to do it yourself 😂
It's never sustainable,to work around patents that u don't have;)