In Steam update comments, the dev responded to a comment about Golden Dragon, they make no promises, but they may add more features to that mythic path later on. It makes me feel like there can still be a DLC after A Dance of the Masks. Or, there yet will be a final big patch to finish the game after the dance of the Masks.
I think that maybe they realized that devil should've been a mythic path that unlocks midgame for max flavor potential, actually being able to provide people with that experience of becoming an archfiend or something. I don't think they can fix that part tho, it would be a whole lot of dev time adding many hours of content + potentially restructuring the middle act to fit this path in lol. This will likely be the best we get with Devil, and I'm sure it'll still be a neat little treat.
Yea thats the big problem I see with the late game mythic paths. You just don't get enough time to live out that fantasy cuz most of the choices have been made.
I really wanted the devil mythic path to "feel" similar to the lich one. for example, you build like a tribunal in drezen where people are judged or a place where people can make contracts, you get totally new companions by binding them to contracts etc. corrupting the queen sounds fun but I dont know if it will be enough
I think Devil is honestly fine, as it's the fail state for Azata and Aeon. Therefore it's shorter because it's a split on those other mythics. For example, in the Aeon scene, where you're confronted outside your office in Drezen by a demon army. If you're true aeon you mass banish them, if you aren't a true aeon, your powers fail and you have to fight them. Devil there is, "crap I need more power just to survive, and this is my last option." And you can't really have more swarm content, since he's the only living being left in the worldwound, and a 1 character story is hard. But Gold dragon needs more. A Goddess outright tells you to abandon all other paths and pick either gold dragon or Legend. Legend having no more plot is fine, it's the "no mythic for me, thanks" path. But Gold Dragon's got nothing. The only dragon related content isn't even tied to the mythic path. I'd rather you be able to unlock gold dragon the first time you talk to the other dragon in act 2 and get more added. The pathetic Quasit can be part of the plot, even. The one that's doing a ritual to become a dragon.
Devil is the path I want the most and it's at the bottom of the pile:( It should have way more interaction with chaotic creatures and even your own party members. Like turning Wendy or something into a devil or some shit like that. She seems like the ideal party member to add some content to for a devil mythic path content update. She already sold her soul once basically.
I love that they are adding this to the Devil path! I just wish we could get the Devil in Act 3 like the others! Looking forward to the DLC & the new classes it brings!
This is great news. Devil always felt like more of an afterthought than anything else. I would love more Gold Dragon content as well. I know it's extremely unlikely at this point, but a True Neutral mythic path besides legend would have been a very welcome option for those of us who are nature lovers but don't really care to be CG azatas. (spoiler) Hopefully they let us go Aeon into Devil and keep Camelia, or offer another path through to it without needing to grab any of the other paths first.
Tbh the whole issue with Devil is that... There is no fun roleplaying as a Devil at all. You also need to be a caster of some sorts (prolly a Weird or some sorts of save or die spell spammer) AND need to go on the Azata Mythic Path before hand to get everything out of Devil. Its mechanics suck and is gimmicky, and it is quite one dimensional. You also don't have enough to to be a Devil either as you can only get the path REALLY late into the game BUT hopefully the last DLC could fix all of that. To fix Devil imho they must add atleast 3 of these: 1. More gimmicks. Nobody wants to roll Azata Caster just to be a Devil you should be able to do ANY build with ANY path, give martial Devil a hand as well. Azata Caster is really fun though but I really dont want to roll Azata Caster just to be a Devil... 2. More story events. Crusade events are cool but story events are where it is at imho. Devil is strong alright BUT there are so few story events for the path that you don't actually feel "powerful" being a Devil at all. Swarm can atleast EAT people and Gold Dragon feels really epic but Devil? Well you can beat some randoms from Cheliax when they invade I guess? Ehhhhh 3. Devil companions. I want to hand out contracts to Regill, Wenduag, Arue and the likes. I don't just want to be a Devil it is boring and lonely imho Lich has undead companions then why shouldn't Devil have their own companions? It should make sense that you as a powerful Devil can make others Devils at will, by giving them the same contract that Melies gives you. 4. A UNIQUE Mythic quest. I don't want to sit in Drezen and wait for ages to get my rank 9 come on man I am a Devil, not a pencil pusher it feels so boring and exhausted to just sleep and skip days for a dozen times... Make it like the Legend Mythic quest, make the Devil hunts down the Free Crusaders (well what are left ofc) or better yet a trip to Cheliax or a pilgrimage to Hell to get your rank 9 Mythic. Or maybe a huge battle where you lead your infernal army to Iz to fight Deskari sth like that might work tbh. 5. A mergeable Mythic Spellbook BUT only under specific conditions. Well just make them the same as Angel/Lich tbh but for certain classes and/or races only to keep balance. For example a Cult Leader of Asmodeus can't normally merge with Angel because they are non-full caster, so the class can't ever compete with your classic Oracle/Cleric ever in BOTH martial and blasting as you do not have access to the level 8/9 Mythic Spells that massively boost your combat capacity. So there is no reason ever to pick Cult Leader really... AND this is where Devil comes in. A Devil Mythic Spellbook can merge with the Cult Leader's weak spellbook, giving them access to a bunch of critical spells (namely Mirror Image) AND additional caster level so that they can compete with Oracle/Cleric. You now have reasons to roll a Cult Leader instead of the boring classic Seeker Oracle Angel for your next Unfair run.
I played Aeon->Devil way back when the game came out and I don't know if I want to play Azata or Aeon again for one little extra thing at the end. Might be cool for someone who has never experienced either of those options.
I'm reasonably excited for this DLC. Honestly the mythic paths are all pretty neat to me for the most part so I definitely am down with more devil content, and the corrupting of the queen feels very devilish, so I think it's a good angle they're taking.
Honestly I am interested because now we can corrupt galfrey instead of killing her in every evil path. but i want to ask will you do a devil mythic path livestream?
I am going to do something I have never done in a RPG before even if I have played a RPG multiple times. I am on the 13th going to pick a class and go. I have horrible restartitus but not this time. Ff14 Dawntrail starts on the 28th so I have basically 2 weeks leaving me almost no time for error so over the couple of weeks going to decide exactly what mythic, the 4 primary party members (5th slot for quests / or who I think will help best with X if I am going to normal end or special and what race / class My character is going to be that both fits the Mythic, My party and something I will enjoy sinking 80-100 hours in.
I am planing on playing a slightly modified daring difficulty but if time really starts crunching I will swap to normal (I don’t super min max or almost ever duo class and The companion are who they are, so much more than daring and it becomes a little tedious especially when on a time crunch
I still wish/hope that they'll add a Vampire lord Mythic path, I would like to see what happens when you turn you're companions into vampires. Like how you can turn people into undead.
So. Technically, and we discussed this in the server. You have TWO people signing contracts as Devil before this patch. One of them is just in an ending slide, so it doesn't really matter, I guess.
Interesting! I thought about playing devil, but I heard, that there is a little content for this mythic path. Maybe it's time to set Golarion on fire }:->
devil is hard for me. I can see a million ways to want to play it thematically but the lack of content and the mechanics being not quite "there" (think of other mythic paths and most have something that feels like "their ability") and it kind of puts me in a hard spot to want to do a full run for essentially a gimped aeon or fake azata until act 5 when the show begins near the end.
Couldnt care less about demon wouldnt mind if they fixes dragon after getting the golden child Hal told me to talk to him in Dresden and everyti.e I try to enter it the game crashes sent multiple bug reports but so far no new updates kinda makes me not only not buy any dlc but I just dont even feel like playing I waa so happy to get to turn into a dragon then before I ever had a chance to it fucks up sigh
I still skeptical about this. Maybe it's because of the drama that CA had with the total war community last year that really made me not take anything a developer says seriously until I see the content for myself that's blinding my here, and that definitely might be the case. Personally I don't think one quest is going to fix the jank that is devil. Like mentioned in the video you don't get access to Devil until chapter 5. You have to go through so much of the game as a failed Aeon or Azata to reach this point, and as a reward you get something that's mechanically weaker than both MPs in terms of gameplay AND story. This was the mythic path I was most excited about. Lawful is my favorite alignment, then you give me a hellknight on top of that? I was so ready, but got so saddened by what I got in return. Maybe we can corrupt her, have a romance with her & have Galfrey as a companion as devil. Wishful thinking but I guess we'll see what happens in a few weeks.
CA has a history of doing stupid stuff over the years. Beyond the flyerapp controversy which they walked back on immediately, Owlcat has been good to the community even looking at it through an extremely cynical lens they're still an indie dev that wouldn't survive ostracizing the community unlike CA. There's the element of being beholden to Sega too that I'm sure has had an influence on their actions. As an example there's no way CA on their own would try to make a battle Royale shooter of all things that's pure Sega stupidity right there.
Hopefully we do get her as a party member, since we get her as both angel and lich. I just wish they'd get rid of that one level most of the companions have that can't be respecced. Trying to use different classes, you end up with no one talking because the mercenaries have no lines.
Not really interested in the devil path, I find I tend to lose interest in an evil play-through. I did see this isekai class mod on the Nexus that was so weirdly fleshed out that I gotta give it a try, does not look balanced in the slightest though.
In Steam update comments, the dev responded to a comment about Golden Dragon, they make no promises, but they may add more features to that mythic path later on. It makes me feel like there can still be a DLC after A Dance of the Masks. Or, there yet will be a final big patch to finish the game after the dance of the Masks.
I guess it will be the same as kingmaker, with a final update overhauling most of the stuff
thats super disheartening, gold dragon needed as much love.
This is definitely the last DLC. Remember they weren’t even sure about doing this one, so getting another ain’t happening.
i was wondering about gold dragon
I think that maybe they realized that devil should've been a mythic path that unlocks midgame for max flavor potential, actually being able to provide people with that experience of becoming an archfiend or something.
I don't think they can fix that part tho, it would be a whole lot of dev time adding many hours of content + potentially restructuring the middle act to fit this path in lol. This will likely be the best we get with Devil, and I'm sure it'll still be a neat little treat.
Yea thats the big problem I see with the late game mythic paths. You just don't get enough time to live out that fantasy cuz most of the choices have been made.
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Also Amadeus messing with Iomedea is so on flavor. She reluctantly interacts him more often than people may think
I really wanted the devil mythic path to "feel" similar to the lich one. for example, you build like a tribunal in drezen where people are judged or a place where people can make contracts, you get totally new companions by binding them to contracts etc. corrupting the queen sounds fun but I dont know if it will be enough
i wish you could go around buying people souls and gain more power that way. kinda of a mix between aeon and swarm mithic paths
You are a machine Lord Slandered! Thank the gods the Devil will finally get something!
Paladins of Hell are Lawful Evil and are called "Tyrants" in Pathfinder
would have loved to have seen the anti-paladins of all the evil gods as a class
FINALLY - I've wanted to play an Asmodeus worshipper in this since the TTRPG adventure path was ANNOUNCED!
so devil and swarm are getting new content. i hope gold dragon get a little love too.
I think Devil is honestly fine, as it's the fail state for Azata and Aeon. Therefore it's shorter because it's a split on those other mythics. For example, in the Aeon scene, where you're confronted outside your office in Drezen by a demon army.
If you're true aeon you mass banish them, if you aren't a true aeon, your powers fail and you have to fight them. Devil there is, "crap I need more power just to survive, and this is my last option."
And you can't really have more swarm content, since he's the only living being left in the worldwound, and a 1 character story is hard.
But Gold dragon needs more. A Goddess outright tells you to abandon all other paths and pick either gold dragon or Legend. Legend having no more plot is fine, it's the "no mythic for me, thanks" path. But Gold Dragon's got nothing. The only dragon related content isn't even tied to the mythic path.
I'd rather you be able to unlock gold dragon the first time you talk to the other dragon in act 2 and get more added. The pathetic Quasit can be part of the plot, even. The one that's doing a ritual to become a dragon.
Devil is the path I want the most and it's at the bottom of the pile:( It should have way more interaction with chaotic creatures and even your own party members. Like turning Wendy or something into a devil or some shit like that. She seems like the ideal party member to add some content to for a devil mythic path content update. She already sold her soul once basically.
It cannot possibly be worse than Gold Dragon
@@IlluminaZero I think it's worst
powers are kinda sick though
I love that they are adding this to the Devil path! I just wish we could get the Devil in Act 3 like the others! Looking forward to the DLC & the new classes it brings!
This is great news. Devil always felt like more of an afterthought than anything else. I would love more Gold Dragon content as well. I know it's extremely unlikely at this point, but a True Neutral mythic path besides legend would have been a very welcome option for those of us who are nature lovers but don't really care to be CG azatas.
(spoiler)
Hopefully they let us go Aeon into Devil and keep Camelia, or offer another path through to it without needing to grab any of the other paths first.
Hope they also do more for Dragon mythic path
Never underestimate dragons... the most powerful are almost as strong as dogs.
Supposedly may be in the works
Hoping for a smidge of gold dragon content as well
thanks for the update sir
sadly they didn't mention gold dragon
Still might get content hopefully.
Damn, I just bought this game about a month ago. Crazy how much new stuff has come out for it since lol. The replay value is gonna be Bananas😂
It's cool Devil is getting something at least, though I'm not expecting this to magically elevate it to the same level the other Mythics are at.
Tbh the whole issue with Devil is that... There is no fun roleplaying as a Devil at all. You also need to be a caster of some sorts (prolly a Weird or some sorts of save or die spell spammer) AND need to go on the Azata Mythic Path before hand to get everything out of Devil. Its mechanics suck and is gimmicky, and it is quite one dimensional. You also don't have enough to to be a Devil either as you can only get the path REALLY late into the game BUT hopefully the last DLC could fix all of that.
To fix Devil imho they must add atleast 3 of these:
1. More gimmicks. Nobody wants to roll Azata Caster just to be a Devil you should be able to do ANY build with ANY path, give martial Devil a hand as well. Azata Caster is really fun though but I really dont want to roll Azata Caster just to be a Devil...
2. More story events. Crusade events are cool but story events are where it is at imho. Devil is strong alright BUT there are so few story events for the path that you don't actually feel "powerful" being a Devil at all. Swarm can atleast EAT people and Gold Dragon feels really epic but Devil? Well you can beat some randoms from Cheliax when they invade I guess? Ehhhhh
3. Devil companions. I want to hand out contracts to Regill, Wenduag, Arue and the likes. I don't just want to be a Devil it is boring and lonely imho Lich has undead companions then why shouldn't Devil have their own companions? It should make sense that you as a powerful Devil can make others Devils at will, by giving them the same contract that Melies gives you.
4. A UNIQUE Mythic quest. I don't want to sit in Drezen and wait for ages to get my rank 9 come on man I am a Devil, not a pencil pusher it feels so boring and exhausted to just sleep and skip days for a dozen times... Make it like the Legend Mythic quest, make the Devil hunts down the Free Crusaders (well what are left ofc) or better yet a trip to Cheliax or a pilgrimage to Hell to get your rank 9 Mythic. Or maybe a huge battle where you lead your infernal army to Iz to fight Deskari sth like that might work tbh.
5. A mergeable Mythic Spellbook BUT only under specific conditions. Well just make them the same as Angel/Lich tbh but for certain classes and/or races only to keep balance. For example a Cult Leader of Asmodeus can't normally merge with Angel because they are non-full caster, so the class can't ever compete with your classic Oracle/Cleric ever in BOTH martial and blasting as you do not have access to the level 8/9 Mythic Spells that massively boost your combat capacity. So there is no reason ever to pick Cult Leader really... AND this is where Devil comes in. A Devil Mythic Spellbook can merge with the Cult Leader's weak spellbook, giving them access to a bunch of critical spells (namely Mirror Image) AND additional caster level so that they can compete with Oracle/Cleric. You now have reasons to roll a Cult Leader instead of the boring classic Seeker Oracle Angel for your next Unfair run.
I played Aeon->Devil way back when the game came out and I don't know if I want to play Azata or Aeon again for one little extra thing at the end. Might be cool for someone who has never experienced either of those options.
Don't you have a save from each path from right before the final boss? You needed it for Inevitable Excess already.
go for the new warpriest archetype for your devil run, it's a super fun subclass
Wow! Time for another playthrough 😍
Sounds interesting look forward to see how it turns out, might give it a try in future :)
NICE!! Once all they will do is in the game looking forward for a replay!!
I'm reasonably excited for this DLC. Honestly the mythic paths are all pretty neat to me for the most part so I definitely am down with more devil content, and the corrupting of the queen feels very devilish, so I think it's a good angle they're taking.
Yup this all sounds goods to me.
Thats cool! If you have to make a devil contract with 1 person it HAS to be the Queen
Honestly I am interested because now we can corrupt galfrey instead of killing her in every evil path. but i want to ask will you do a devil mythic path livestream?
Killing her is not a problem in one evil path, and another 2 insist on being the one who gets to do it. Devil's the only one out of place, honestly.
Devil path was cool but all the waiting I did in act 5 with chilliax there’s no way I could do another playthrough as it
The best part of Lich is taking down Galfrey. I’m not a big Devil fan either, but anything that takes Galfrey down a notch is ok in my book.
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Now I have to get the dlcs. I'm trying to a devil run right now
2:00 wait so devils are actually... Advocates ?
Finally they acknowledge Devil was completely half-baked. Don't imagine there's much they can do about it now.
I'm really excited for this since i haven't played as Devil yet
I am going to do something I have never done in a RPG before even if I have played a RPG multiple times. I am on the 13th going to pick a class and go. I have horrible restartitus but not this time. Ff14 Dawntrail starts on the 28th so I have basically 2 weeks leaving me almost no time for error so over the couple of weeks going to decide exactly what mythic, the 4 primary party members (5th slot for quests / or who I think will help best with X if I am going to normal end or special and what race / class My character is going to be that both fits the Mythic, My party and something I will enjoy sinking 80-100 hours in.
I am planing on playing a slightly modified daring difficulty but if time really starts crunching I will swap to normal (I don’t super min max or almost ever duo class and The companion are who they are, so much more than daring and it becomes a little tedious especially when on a time crunch
I still wish/hope that they'll add a Vampire lord Mythic path, I would like to see what happens when you turn you're companions into vampires. Like how you can turn people into undead.
So, they at last will release a content they promised for EE?
On my aeon-devil playthrough i just wanted to offer a contract to camellia and re recruit her after she left, she was helpful was she not?
So. Technically, and we discussed this in the server. You have TWO people signing contracts as Devil before this patch. One of them is just in an ending slide, so it doesn't really matter, I guess.
And they did say they have more tricks up their sleeve right there at the end.
Interesting! I thought about playing devil, but I heard, that there is a little content for this mythic path. Maybe it's time to set Golarion on fire }:->
I found devil powerful mechanically when I did like a pure blaster evocation build. Outside of that.. meh.
Hey SlanderedGaming, do you have a current vid recommending any must have mods?
Hmmm actually no I haven't used most of the mods in the game. I should probably get around to making that video.
@@SlanderedGaming Thanks, I'm gonna do a new run when the DLC drops and wanted to make sure there weren't any huge QOL mods that are needed.
Chelaxian Diva approves.
galfrey embracing the hellknight life?
That is surprising
I called my son Asmo.
instead of standalone dlc-s they should have fixed all the novelty paths like devil-yes, swarm, gdragon and legend as well.
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devil is hard for me. I can see a million ways to want to play it thematically but the lack of content and the mechanics being not quite "there" (think of other mythic paths and most have something that feels like "their ability") and it kind of puts me in a hard spot to want to do a full run for essentially a gimped aeon or fake azata until act 5 when the show begins near the end.
Couldnt care less about demon wouldnt mind if they fixes dragon after getting the golden child Hal told me to talk to him in Dresden and everyti.e I try to enter it the game crashes sent multiple bug reports but so far no new updates kinda makes me not only not buy any dlc but I just dont even feel like playing I waa so happy to get to turn into a dragon then before I ever had a chance to it fucks up sigh
But can we skip the stupid war mini game without screwing up the story?
I still skeptical about this. Maybe it's because of the drama that CA had with the total war community last year that really made me not take anything a developer says seriously until I see the content for myself that's blinding my here, and that definitely might be the case. Personally I don't think one quest is going to fix the jank that is devil. Like mentioned in the video you don't get access to Devil until chapter 5. You have to go through so much of the game as a failed Aeon or Azata to reach this point, and as a reward you get something that's mechanically weaker than both MPs in terms of gameplay AND story. This was the mythic path I was most excited about. Lawful is my favorite alignment, then you give me a hellknight on top of that? I was so ready, but got so saddened by what I got in return. Maybe we can corrupt her, have a romance with her & have Galfrey as a companion as devil. Wishful thinking but I guess we'll see what happens in a few weeks.
CA has a history of doing stupid stuff over the years. Beyond the flyerapp controversy which they walked back on immediately, Owlcat has been good to the community even looking at it through an extremely cynical lens they're still an indie dev that wouldn't survive ostracizing the community unlike CA. There's the element of being beholden to Sega too that I'm sure has had an influence on their actions. As an example there's no way CA on their own would try to make a battle Royale shooter of all things that's pure Sega stupidity right there.
Hopefully we do get her as a party member, since we get her as both angel and lich.
I just wish they'd get rid of that one level most of the companions have that can't be respecced. Trying to use different classes, you end up with no one talking because the mercenaries have no lines.
This game is better bg3, all day
Both games are amazing you shouldn't compare them
@@marquisepixley684 are they not both crpg’s?
@@hectorsanchez7581 yes both are crpgs but both are amazing to play
@@hectorsanchez7581 I am saying both games are amazing to play
Lets be honest. Their focus was elsewhere, like always. Doing content that noone is asking for etc. I'm ranting a little.
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First? First!
Not really interested in the devil path, I find I tend to lose interest in an evil play-through. I did see this isekai class mod on the Nexus that was so weirdly fleshed out that I gotta give it a try, does not look balanced in the slightest though.