These Oregonians Would Rather Join Idaho Than Be in a Liberal State
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2021
- Some conservative Oregonians living in rural areas are trying to move their county lines into Idaho, reigniting a secessionist movement that’s been brewing for decades.
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As many conservatives say “if you don’t like it you can leave” right?
That's when they'll tell you this is their country and for you to leave, communist!
That's what I was thinking as well.
Just sell your shitty cabin in the woods and get one in Idaho. Though, I hear, they're selling like hotcakes there, from all the morons trying to flee liberal policies of inclusion and equality.
Conservative is the way to go.
@@jonathanblount6437 democrats and republicans are 2 wings of the same old corrupt, bird..
You know this is probably the same kind of person who says, “If you don’t like it, leave.”
Or the kind who says "Life ain't fair, snowflake."
And then denies he ever said it
@@austingoomba Him technically doing that would be picking up and moving to Idaho genius.
Nothing could be TRUER.
they are leaving, they love the land, they hate the lawless snowflakes burning down cities and making the place a shithole.
The larger underlying problem, especially when it comes to ranching and farming is that you do have state legislatures in cities passing legislation that don’t think about the effect it has on rural citizens. That tax on diesel could very well be a death sentence for a farmer who is counting pennies and who has to buy thousands of gallons a year.
Don't care, buy an electric tractor.
@@paultidwell8799 says the guy who buys all his food at the store and has never grown anything in his life
:::yawnning::
@@paultidwell8799 you dont know much about that side of things do you? theyre pretty much on par with how bad they are for the environment
@@paultidwell8799 electric tractors aren’t viable because they only have run times of a couple of hours. Get with it
As a Southern Oregonian,I would like to encourage these ranchers to sell their multi million dollar plots of land and leave.
As an Idahoan, please keep them.
Wait... how much wealth do these ranchers have? How many millions...?
Same
Yeah
On the whole, agriculture doesn't make much money. Net income isn't that high. However, the value in agriculture is in the land and in the equipment. When we look at the value of the assets of the people in question, they are worth much more than the average American to the point that the average farm is worth over a million dollars. Of course, with the value being in the land and equipment, they would have to sell to cash in. How much they are worth would depend on the size of the ranch and a few other factors, and I tragically don't have the time to try and figure it out. I recommend looking into the work of Dr. Sarah Taber and Sarah K. Mock for more details on agriculture as a real estate venture.
“Good America, and bad America”
That mindset is the answer why all of us are in this mess.
Absolutely ‼️ well said 👍🏻😎
Keep in mind that this mindset is not limited to republicans. Its enough to go through comments beneath this vid to notice that liberal/democrat part of America sees the other side as the "bad" side as well.
Thats pretty sad because when you have two sides that dont want to find any common ground or move towards understanding other side's values because other side is just pure evil and bad - nothing good comes out of it.
@@Hozugi Absolutely regardless of political status or beliefs. We are all human beings that need to try to understand each other and help each other. Not create divide and potentially hurt one another. 👍🏻😎
@@g-cgeneralcontractor8903 to be fair I see a lot off conservatives leave comments in interviews about killing me so I'm not that interested in giving even an inch at this point...
@@g-cgeneralcontractor8903 theres one side who hates minorities, gays, trans, immigrants, free healthcare, freedom of religion and we all know who that side is. So let's stop the centrist bullshit
"I like democracy but only if i'm part of the majority"
That’s basically everyone in our country tbfh
No it's more like..we have lived in a true democracy and now we have inner-city morons and youth that are told to hate America bringing their Anti-American agenda on the rest of the population. The left tried to get Trump fired from day 1 until his very last day on any made-up lie they could think of. People are tired of living in societies controlled by the media...one that constantly lies and spreads propoganda.
@@westonsmith7772 Young people are seeing that religion and Republicans are antiquated and don’t serve their day-to-day needs. No one is being taught to hate their country, but to be critical of it.
@@justandhans If you don't believe in God, I hope you find the light. Even those that aren't of faith have some sense of morality. It is ingrained in us. When you have a party that has their media brethren that put out articles on whether or not the American flag should be viewed as offensive, I'm sorry, but you won't have a country if you can't identify as one in the first place. It's hilarious how many are so spoiled in this nation. But continue to fight the fight against free speech and the rigjt to bear arms, amongst other things. The men will try to take care of this country while you sit on your high horse, with your skinny jeans and latte.
@Alex B It’s like 70/30 and continuously trends that way every decade
Ah yes, the good ol' "but look at how much red is on that map!!!!" This is just the last screams of landowners losing their grip on power. You own 40k acres? dope. You still get one vote.
Exactly. Land doesn't vote.
@task force whisky : Now it's army and guns..
Goodness. You're playing your greatest shits, aren't you?
Sure, but why should they not be allowed to move to another jurisdiction more in line with their political, economic and social needs?
It's like you want to keep people prisoner.
@@chadleach6009 They're allowed to move, they aren't allowed to take state property and run away with it because they don't want to follow the law set by the state it's in.
@@JoelWhoKillz they are also allowed to join another state if the people of that community vote to do so.
There not running away with anything, they are just changing jurisdiction.
To those who think Greater Idaho is gonna happen, please take into account the fact that big cities make the most revenue and Greater Idaho is very rural. It would be a economically stagnating State and life quality would lower due to simple economics.
Also Oregon isnt gonna give 75% of its land to Idaho just cuz 3% of Oregonians want it.
No you misunderstand, IDAHO doesnt want you. We are completely intollerant of marxist ideology, which would be CRT (Based of of Karl Marx's Critical theory, which Stalin used to fuel his own cultural revolouting until he culled them- "useful idiots" as he said) We think that meds are a choice not a requirement, and your not going to make it a requirement like portland, that went as far as to allow minors to get the vacc without the parents consent OR knowledge. Thats sick. We wont pay $10 a pack of cigs, or $4 a gallon of gas, or accept any of your ridiculous financial policies and decisions. With that in mind, we dont hate you, but hell if we want you here as is and no one wants your land weirdos
@@fvckcen5ortube147 how is CRT related to marxism?
@@Monarch_Prime You Cannot Reason People Out of Something They Were Not Reasoned Into
@@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69 ?
@@fvckcen5ortube147 critical theory was formed shortly after the second world war (primary in Germany until the advent of WW2) and has continued to be developed ever since. Critical theory was not a polical philosophy in Stalinist Russia.
You seem to be some who likes to do their own research, why not read some books on the topic instead of regurgitating stuff you read on Facebook on UA-cam comments?
Buddy straight up said libtard in a serious conversation
@@johnpapst7941 is this performance satire or are you actually this stupid?
@@88mphDrBrown You're too comfortable in your echo chamber.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
@@johnpapst7941 LOLLL IMAGINE BEING EUROPEAN AND EVEN WORSE BEING PROUD OF IT😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭👎👎🤣🤣🤣😭
How to lose credibility for your movement in one simple word.
@@-Teca- No No, his life is MUCH better than yours, unless you are part of the 0.1 %. I've been to Europe, I've seen it first hand with MY OWN EYES. Unless you are sitting on 30+ Million in wealth, the average Citizen in the Netherlands has it much better than the average citizen in Kentucky.
Those “small” pockets of blue have millions of people while those large red pockets only have a couple thousand people.
In Oregon is where the video and all the comments are talking about. Some states are red but on the whole we lean more blue
And those small blue pockets count on the big red pockets to deliver them the food, they require to continue their little marksist liberal punk life. Millions of tons of it.
@@cslavov they count more on corporate farmlands these days than private farmers, so the power of food is rapidly being taken from the hands of the rural areas
@@cslavov So you're saying the success of the red pockets is dependent on the blue pockets? Blue pockets also pay for roads and infrastructure for the big red pockets to enable them to actually participate in the economy.
@@mjstecyk Or… how about they are co-dependent
These "Good America/Bad America" philosophers love discrediting urban dwellers. I like asking them the following: who transports your products to market, who sells your products at market, who buys your products at market, who transforms the raw materials you produce into the finished goods that sell at market, who maintains the shipping ports to ensure that your product has a wider customer base, who builds the equipment you utilize daily?
Oh yeah, urban dwellers. We live in a symbiosis. When we drop the city mouse/country mouse b.s. we'll be much more productive and all better off for it.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Everybody has a role to play.
You couldn’t have said it any better
Not until they get those robots going then ur screwed
@@ivanvalera3250 yeah, I'm sure rural Oregon has plenty of robotics engineers to design, build, maintain, and repair them.
Meanwhile hundreds of Idahoans drive to Ontario, OR just to buy weed every day.
But bruh, if you don't like it Idaho is happy to make you pay for sales tax, and offer shitty low-paying work.
That's funny that you say that about people from Idaho coming to Oregon to buy marijuana. Because Oregon State Police will call up their counterpart in Idaho. And tell them what cars to look out for for buying marijuana and then taking it across state lines.
....and if they moved the Border those Idahoans would have to drive hundreds of miles farther to get legal weed....so Idahoans are definitely not gonna support this...its already too much of a pain in the butt...
@@fatdaddyeddiejr nah not usually
We actually drive to Montana which is another red state with lots of Trump supporters 😎
@@fatdaddyeddiejr highly doubt they do that 😂
You gotta feel bad for all these people who can't get visas to move to Idaho
Lolz
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@C. T. L. where does he belong? Let me guess pro-life christian conservative, man I can pick these bongholes blindfolded.
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the funniest part was that guy saying the word "libtard" in a serious conversation
Their ability to surpass grade 2 level thinking by gluing two words together for name calling is inspiring.
Funnier to me that you think you’re on God’s level…
Conservatism is a mental disorder 😎
lmaooo
@@Midwest.. and liberalism is the lead up ideal to authoritarianism
Wow. This is taking Gerrymandering to a whole new level.
How is this gerrymandering? It wouldn't affect the make up of Congress.
@@aidans4464 Gerrymandering is changing the shape of one or more constituencies to change the make up of the electorate and thus the outcome of the election. It can happen on a municipal level (lumping all your opponents in a few wards, so that your party gets all the others), or on a state level (to ensure that your party wins most of the seats in the state house, for instance) and here they try it on a national level: Greater Idaho would have more seats, what's left of Oregon would have fewer, and while Oregon would remain liberal and Idaho conservative, there would be more conservatives and fewer liberals in the House of Representatives, thus also influencing the Electoral College.
We in Idaho do not want our border changed, if you in Oregon want to be part of Idaho then move here.
Liberal Southerners have been largely disenfranchised but aren’t seceding from their States.
Texas is literally trying to pass a "Democrats can't vote" bill - and they're still fighting to fix their state, not run and hide and cry to mommy Idaho.
@@Yvaelle They literally left the state.
@@utmbunderground No, some government officials left the state in a political move to prevent people's rights from being taken away. The liberal/democrat citizens aren't whining to have borders changes for them.
@@zephyrschiesser5408 No ones rights are being taken away - cut da bullshit. It was big hoopla about nothing, and they left the state to prevent quorum, which is illegal. Hopefully they are prosecuted for that act. The point I was making to Yvaelle is that Democrats have - while a minority - enough representation even in a conservative state like Texas to still effect legislative changes; whereas the super majorities in Oregon prevent the rural areas from doing that in their legislature. Thus, you see a different tactic, in contrast to Texan Democrats leaving the state to prevent quorum, Rural Oregonians are relegated instead to hoping for a transfer of their land to another state because they do not have significant enough representation to pull such a maneuver.
@@utmbunderground If they want more jobs then start a business? Start a co-op . All of a sudden they want government to fix their problems?
How much money does it take to dig a hole? None. You just do it. It doesn't cost money to build houses just resources. If you have the wood it costs literally nothing. What do you think people didn before capitalism was invented?
"the majority has the agenda" yeah.....thats how democracy works
Disgusting politicans and their... agenda! I enjoy my politics without agenda🤔
Trumplicans when they had majority loved the hammer of Denial.
And that’s also one reason why democracy sucks, its tyranny by the majority.
@@xtrafranky that depends, I believe democracy works at a small level. Aka cities ir towns
Rural conservatives tend to believe democracy is bad. Thats why they advocate for the electoral college and jerrymander districts. I know because I grew up and live in rural eastern Oregon. One of the counties that voted to leave actually
It's bullcrap that rural America is under represented. Idaho has a population of 2M people with 2 senators. New Jersey has 2 senators for 9.1M people. I call BS.
Not federally but they are misrepresented by the state
@@wwbuirkle They are a small MINORITY in Oregon. That's how democracy works, the majority rules. That's how the founders wanted it, that's America. If you hate democracy and hate America go find a better country to live in
you are so desperate to be a tyrant
over represented is more like it. you're on the money.
@@PendeltonWhiskey the founders wanted an america where only white people voted
"Can't we just exist together" as he literally just casually threatened civil war
It’s not civil war, it’s perfectly legal to change state borders and create new states. It’s happened many times before in American history
He didn't threaten civil war. He literally said "I want to keep it away from the violent side."
@@totallynotnoone4380 It's happened once before, during the civil war, when the federal government recognized a unionist legislative body in VA that supported the formation of WV. Good luck convincing the state government of Oregon to cede 75% of their landmass.
To taxation without representation, if these people don't feel like their views are being expressed why should they be forced to stay?
@@chadleach6009 They aren't forced to do anything tool, they can move whenever they want. You don't like how America works you can leave, that's the saying right?
What's funny is these are the kinda people that when you criticize the police and their political party, they will tell you "if you don't like it then leave" yet they won't actually move their asses to Idaho, they want Idaho to move to them. 😂😂
Portland doesn’t like the farmers messing up the senate seats either. It is mutual, the only difference is how they want to divide the state up.
@@LeeeroyJenkins right. But it's hypocrisy from these guys saying all the time, "if you don't like it here, just leave". Also what do you think blacks thought when they got freedom in the south. Do you think those states treated them and their votes fairly? A lot had to move to northern states. So move if you are oppressed
@@whippinsaw You mean they self segregated instead of solving the problem. MLK stayed in the south and fought the problem. Not everyone is willing to risk their lives to solve another person’s problem, henceforth they avoid the problem.
@@LeeeroyJenkins Risk their lives? bruh what are you talking about? all they have to do to is sell their land, which is pretty easy these days, most 150 miles east buy new land. Done. You make it seem like they are trekking the unknown across dangerous land.
i mean... if ur a farmer... u can't just pick up and move... sooo... whats ur point
Ok so what about the Democrats in red states? Should they be allowed to merge with nearest blue state?
HELL YEA BROTHA!
Ya why not?
No they'd rather manipulate the Senate like in DC
@Null Null
Manipulate the senate in what way?
@@Delvy787 get more senate seats despite being a tiny territory that would not be practical to administer as its own state, nor have the cultural precedent besides politics
Those who complain that "muh goberment tryna taek muh freedoms" are the very same people who would go apoplectic if farm subsidies were canceled. Pick a lane, you can't have everything.
Actually most people on that side are against subsidies at all. They more take the view if your going to subsidize one industry it'd be foolish not to try and get some of that money.
@@chadleach6009 really? against subsidies?? so funny lmao, their farms couldn't even survive a week if it's not for the government subsidies, they will easily be crushed by competition from much cheaper agricultural products from South America and Asia.
@@byunbaekhyun2283 they'd just switch to a more profitable product then.
This movement isn't going to happen but if multiple counties are even considering leaving your state it shows a massive failure to represent these people at a political and state level
Oh course they gladly take their farm subsidies, highway funds and other rural welfare.
I bet you think BLM is a good organization.
It’s only evil socialist communism when someone else does it lmao. If they do it it’s ok.
now they are burning us out
@@CavemanTravels It beats the NRA or GOP. Both of those cabals are full of insurrection retards. They're about as useful as t*ts on a bull. See, I can use your stupid sayings, too.
@@mm5478 BLM has done nothing for the Black community where as the GOP has.
Aren’t these the same people who say they don’t want the government involved in their business?
yah, hahaha. the same stupid people. lol
These are the same people that will not want Biden to tell them anything about their guns, but want Biden to step in and fix the immigration problems in their state
Buch of hill billies
You’re comment makes zero sense.
Yea but they want farm subsidies and other rural welfare. Just keep giving them their handouts and we can just keep ignoring the the cornfield welfare queens throw their tantrums in their fly over states.
Every state has whiners like this. Yeah, lets draw a line around every county or small cluster of counties that feels different than the majority of their state and we'll have about 900 states.
Might not be a bad idea
Lmao
That's fine as long as one group doesn't hold all the power but we know your liberal ways enjoys this manipulation of just representing the city. Keep acting like that and turning people on you surely it'll benefit you
@@melapelan2596 blaine county, idaho voted overwhelmingly blue. by your logic you and your conservative ways enjoys the manipulation of not hearing the voices of the people in blaine county. just stop crying
When I make decisions when it comes to voting as an example I don't look at if they're Republican or if they're Democrat no I write down let's say we're talking about governors I write down the 2 governors there are running in the race to be a governor of the state that I live in I look at their policies what they're planning on doing and I just do research on these 2 individuals and I make a list of pros and cons and the one that has more pros over cons is the 1 that I'm going to vote for even if that individual Might be the party that I normally don't represent or support.
They probably would have had been taken seriously if they didn’t put all that ignorant garbage in their advertisements.
What was so ignorant about it?
Wouldn't it be easier if they moved to Idaho?
Shhhhh. Don’t tell them that. It’s already too expensive to buy a house here
@@thedavidjscott_ I understand your point. I would not want them in spoiling the neighbourhood!
Hard to move a 32k acre ranch, this actually might be easier.
@@xcitadel5763 Maybe fix their perceived problem rather than run.
Wouldn't it be easier if people in DC moved?
"Good America, Bad America"
When you talk like you hate us why would we value your input?
They pay taxes.... Probably more than you.... And they get a say
There is a lot of bad america that is on team biden, and constantly talks bad about anyone that is in the country, white, or straight men in general.. especially THIS channel commenters, and msnbc,etc. Get a clue, like whoa.
This is like gerrymandering at the highest level
Lol farmers get like $20,000,000,000 a year in subsidies. These Oregon farmers probably don't but to say good America, bad America. Lol cringe. Go move to Hungary or something.
If you don't like it, you can leave, right?
Wouldn't it be easier and more logical for him to move to Idaho than to demand everyone else change for him?
As you can see by the number of counties backing the idea, it’s not just him. Portland, Eugene, and Salem compared to pretty much everything east is a completely different culture.
@@theedon501 3% of the population or only 7 out of the many countries in three states are in favor of this plain. This is still a small minority of people demanding to have the larger majority accommodate their desires to be different from the majority. It is essentially a small group of disgruntled people saying I want to take my ball home and have my own way instead of working with in the system. I favor universal health care, but I'm not threatening to withdraw from the country if the majority of people don't change their mind and let me have my way. I choose to work with in the system and try to make things better instead of running away to Narnia where I can have my own way.
Most people in his area agree support the GOP as well.
No doofus, idaho is getting packed and expensive, expanding real estate is wise.
@@theedon501 yes liberty and freedom 😎 love it
I grew up in rural Northern California surrounded by people who would complain "they" (the population in SoCal) didn't get "it" (I never know what "it" was). Now I live in rural Oregon and 40 years later hear the same complaints.
It will be interesting to see what happens with population migration in Oregon and Idaho - If young people keep moving out of cities it will change the rural communities. If they resume migrating to urban areas then the increasingly liberal Bose will drive Idaho's politics just like Portland does in Oregon...
What part of oregon? Like, what town?
The ‘blue dots’ he’s talking about are where most people actually live. These people need to realize that land doesn’t vote, people do.
Because they think that puts them in the majority, more land covered. It’s like conservatives turn off logic to make them the majority and the victim at the same time.
The people who live cramped up together like that are all idiots, whoever they vote for.
@@RozenHusky the larger the city, the more services, attractions, and choices it has. Some people aren’t happy with a single Family Dollar for grocery shopping and a greasy spoon for the lone restaurant.
@@RozenHusky Not everybody likes kissing their sister mate.
All the services you're enjoying come from those idiots who live in cramped cities.
@@EvilVacuum That's a pathetic view of the majority of America... You need to get out more.
I bet these people are totally fine with the rural states being overrepresented in the Senate. Totally fine with gerrymandering as well... For their cause. Oregon state Senate GOP frequently leaves to boycott everything. But we only hear about the Texan Dems doing it. I'm sure he doesn't mind his local GOP holding the state hostage.
You know that Democrats do gerrymandering to right?
@@Halo2012me you know Republicans overwhelmingly do it more? You know Republicans overwhelmingly make laws to limit voting right in states they have control over? You know the Republicans have completely changed the rules in many states post 2020 to overturn the popular vote for the electoral college voting? You know the Republicans have been re-counting votes via dark money traced to conspiracy theorists to find a "stolen"election, but with no prior credentials beyond Trump's entire false rhetoric? I can keep going. However, it's fun to see you cherry pick one small point in my paragraph.
@@tehfryguy wouldn't bother, most republicans are literally science denying, fact ignoring, screw the majority's opinion, only for their agenda mindset. Better off trying to convince a brick wall.
My rep actually threatened to shoot any cop that came to find him when he was hiding at his vacation home in some sh** state so he and his dipsh** buddies could prevent the “commies” from trying to help the environment. He was convicted of helping insurrectionists enter our state capitol on January 6. Mike Nearman. Look him up. He’s no longer my rep, but I had to deal with that idiot.
Great. Now I have a new argument to use. Thanks 🙏
The best part was when he said the civil war was a cultural difference. Way to bury the lead.
I mean, he wasn't wrong. One side wanted to maintain the institution of chattel sIavery while the other wanted to maintain the union.
We would win it today
@@americafkyeah8695
says the guy from tennessee...
@@americafkyeah8695 I do agree with what they're doing in eastern Oregon, but you guys would be annihilated in a civil war
2:53 is a really interesting part of this video. The interviewer asks a question, presenting two options that both accuse rural Oregonians of being extremists. It's a very clever way of injecting his opinion into an interview that should be unbiased-he's not giving an opinion piece, he's reporting the news. The response he gets is also clever, as the interviewee quickly shuts down that claim that there is anything extreme about the movement.
These are people who are literally being ignored by their representatives. In another video on CBS, Mike McCarter discusses a conversation he had with a representative from urban Oregon who argued that the reason that he wouldn't listen to Mike was that his vote was not in "the majority".
All I'm hearing is "people who live in cities should have less of a vote than me but since they don't I wish I was in a different state but I don't want to move."
You are missing the entire point. The people living in rural area has a different view on how things work and what they need. City solutions doesnt work in the rural area. I doubt yiu have been a rancher or a farmer to even remotely understand the difference. Its not like they want to move out of US. They are opting to join with a different state.
@@valfor99 You are massively over simplifying
The electoral college needs to go
@@Bubbles99718 It seems like you dont understand either. What should be controlled by local, county based governments are controlled by the state level. It just so happens that Idaho, Oregans neighbor has state level policies that fits those needs.
I think he feels more of the vote exists in the cities..it's true in California as well the coast is running the politics there with the major land mass of the state is contrary....the question is when your lifestyle might as well be on the moon to the others, how can you expect equity. I thought the current unrest is about abuse of minority's in this nation yet the minority of states get less benefit than the so called downtrodden... equity doesn't exist in the world
If they are successful, they will quickly discover how much taxes collected in urban areas subsidize them. Their income and property taxes would need to go up 30-50% in order to maintain their schools, roads, bridges, water systems, etc.
Just wait until the big cities figure out that the majority of products, food, and supplies they use are not made anywhere near them. It would be a shame to starve out entire blue areas, real shame...
those taxes are collected from urban areas because urban areas are their primary consumers lol
@@xSP3CTREx Yes both sides would suffer.
@@xSP3CTREx I don't see the big cities whining about seceding
It's OK, they'll just privatize everything so they'll pay 50% more on tolls than they would have with just taxes.
As a resident of Eastern Oregon, I DO NOT SUPPORT this! I love living in Oregon! If I wanted to live in Idaho, I would move to Idaho. There are better solutions to these issues.
Rural Oregonians should spend a little time in Idaho...before they decide this...I know many who support the boundary move...who have never been to Idaho...Idaho is different...
You’re in the minority of people in eastern oregon. The UN declared the right to self determination a human right, if we actually are to believe in that as a philosophy, you should be in favor.
Also you’re prolly some Redmond or Bend head who trots out being from eastern oregon like it gives them some authority to speak for all eastern Oregonians. Dry Portland don’t count, chief
I want to be there the first time they have to pay sales tax.
Could you imagine the potential for financial pressure on the Idaho budget, taking on such a large amount of land, requiring massive infrastructure spending, with only a small increase in population and revenue?
Because its not liberal, that area will start booming quick.
Idaho is already getting packed, with greater idaho another Boise will be born. Its going to be the greatest state ever and its not liberal hahahaha.
@@americafkyeah8695 Nobody wants to live in the sticks buddy.
@@americafkyeah8695 "Idaho is already getting packed" what!?
False, rural communities don't need much infrastructure investment compared to cities, and they bring in massive revenue and jobs.
@@Gamerad360 Billy Bobs Meth Head Operation is overblown.
The mental gymnastics of owning 100k acres and feeling oppressed by the system. That's more acres than most people have dollars.
That land isn’t cash
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You should be banned from UA-cam
Just like the mental gymnastics required to think black people and minorities are genuinely oppressed in 2021 America
@@SapphireX413 yeah because police brutality and systematic racism totally doesn’t exist right? 🤪 it’s not like black people are being killed 3x more often then white people for sometimes no reason other then being black in America. It’s also not like the Education system and the economy as a whole isn’t against black people. I’m so glad MLK ended racism with his “I have a dream speech” 😌
they dont want to move, they want the world to move around them
No it is not. It is about about the urban (majority) of Oregon that does not take any account of the input of rural Oregon. When they make laws actively trying to put you down, then why not separate yourself? They are the people of the land, they work on it, they follow the laws, pay taxes, yet the state basically treats you as dirt. It is a peaceful resolution where both parties win. The state of Oregon has nothing to loose if this does happen.
@@lanciadr i don't care if everyone affected votes for a thing then gets it. but you still described democracy. democracy isnt fair. it is merely the will of the majority.
It will, and unfortunately for them they won’t like it when it inevitably does.
You want to live with conservatives?
Yeah, the people inside those proposed new borders agree they want to change those border. What aren't you getting?
Could it be that people who spend their lives on ranches in the desert know little of what is going on in the rest of the world? These people seem ignorant and self-absorbed.
Well, they are conservatives. That’s kinda their entire schtick
Could it be that people who spend their lives in cities know little of what is going on in the rest of the world? These people seem ignorant and self-absorbed.
you are right. except they aren't shoving their values, laws, and so-called "mandates" on you. if you guys leave us alone, we have and will continue to leave you alone.
@@businesscb explain a single value, law, or mandate shoved on them that is hurting them mentally or physically.
"Isn't this sort of giving up on trying to change Oregon?"
"No, we are simply choosing to not NOT giving up. That's a huge difference."
It’s not a situation where you can just try really hard and change it. This really is the best solution for everyone. The costal part of the state outnumbers the inland part by a lot, and that’s really all there is to it. If the situation stayed the same it would just be large scale gerrymandering.
@@totallynotnoone4380 Actually, opinions change constantly. If enough farmers made a good case for their economic plight, they could rally support in the coastal areas. But instead they just see everyone else as "libtards" and give up.
@@54tisfaction Not at all people vote mostly on party the city will be democrat till it totally dies like detroit did
Oregon is f*cked lets be real here thats why this will happen.
@@54tisfaction I see this constantly with the state of Jefferson movement, in Northern California and Southern oregon.
Did he really just say that the civil war was a values issue?
let me guess you still believe the civil war was fought over slavery...
@@grantglow4206 what was it about then
@@grantglow4206 There were multiple causes, but slavery was a major reason for it and that can’t be denied.
sTaTeS rIgHtS
@@grantglow4206 I love how you stay "still believe" like somehow recently information has come to light how it wasn't about slavery.
Thought he said we’re blessed to be rural Argonians
Oregon belongs to the Nords
Your sentence makes no sense. Lol
They are argonians and Idaho is full of dunmmer
Hahahaha best comment ever haha 😂🤣made my day
The warm sand of Elsweyr is far away from here.
I remember growing up in rural Tennessee, a fairly religious and conservative area. It was fairly common for people there to say "If you don't love it here, then *leave* it!" and I believe they still do. Maybe take the advice?
Most people in rural areas are on health insurance, the poverty rate in rural Oregon is HIGHER than urban areas. Joining Idaho will not benefit these people
Sure it would that's mostly farm land as is Idaho and they'd have more conservative representatives in congress
“You see a mass of red with blue pockets…”
For the love of God, somebody tell these people that 12 million people don’t live in the fucking vast expanse of the Great Plains. Last I checked, 400 acres of wheat can’t cast a vote.
It actually can. that's the whole premise behind the Senate.
That 400 acres also feeds those 12 mill, I’m not saying this rancher is right but they way this country treats farmers is messed up
@@draunt7 You're looking into it too much. He's equating color amount on a political map to vote size in the nation. A poor comparison that, oddly, too many people think on. It isn't the first time I've heard something along the lines of, "You see all that red?! How the hell is a DEMONcrat winning this?!"
Like I said, 400 acres of wheat can't vote, but the Rancher that owns that land, can. No matter who you are in this country, whether you're the smartest, dumbest, laziest, hardest-working, whatever, your 1 vote is equal to another's 1 vote.
You are shitting on people who generally are the big food producers of America.
Politics in Oregon have gone far too left. They are trying to introduce a bill to ban hunting, which is a tradition and livelihood for many people in E Oregon.
On top of the extreme environmental laws that affect ranches and farms, you are killing food producers. Unless, you want to eat impossible meat for the rest of your life, you have to understand their reasoning. And vice of course isnt talking to the right people for their own benefit on this topic.
@@LsElite4210 they do business and sell crops. Feeding people is just an aftereffect of business. It's not doing anyone a favor and they by no means have an obligation to do so. If they don't want that business, they don't have to do it. They're not doing anyone any favors. Simple capitalism.
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People in cities have different needs than people in the mountains, people in cities will always have a higher population and pass popular laws for themselves leaving the rural
Folk alienated. That’s why In America we have the electoral college so the biggest cities don’t elect presidents.
We've been played...against each other. Red or blue, crip or blood, pick one. The same stupid thing in the street is the same stupid thing in politics. I'm old enough to remember when Americans were all Americans, and we respected each other. You got played. The elite who told you to hate each other then go and eat and drink and sleep together and laugh at how gullible we are. Red or blue. Idiocy! They are raping the nation financially and telling you "look over there!"
Stop seeing your fellow American as your enemy. That's a lie from the pit of hell. Your enemy is the devil. Your enemy is ignorance. It's emotionality. Hate is your enemy. Stop embracing the enemy.
Whoever you are reading this, God bless you. Draw near to Him. There's not much time, don't spend it in contention with your fellow man. It's simple; when you hate you please Satan. When you love you please God. The one you please is the one you serve. Choose your thoughts and your words carefully. 🌺
No
87% of the population in Oregon lives in the west. 13% live in the east. The majority rules in a democracy. The good folks in the east have been benefiting from the vast majority of the taxpayers who live in the western part of the state. I have to ask those who want to secede from Oregon. Why they don't just move to Idaho. 60% of the land in eastern Oregon is public land, state parks, national forests, etc. This is just a case of the few wanting to impose their will on the many.
"Greater Idaho" is the dumbest idea I've heard in a while. By this logic, can't every major city in a red state then split up their state to gain political control?
Yes. They are technically aloud to do that. Its how West Virginia split from standard Virginia. They voted to succeed and be their own state.
@@TroopperFoFo The context you're missing in that case is that was during the Civil War when Virginia seceded from the entire country. There is no modern precedent for a state splitting up due to political differences.
God I wish major cities would become their own states, leave everyone else alone.
@@louismoran9413 Agree!
@@LotharOfTheHillPeople Actually there was no legal precedence to due that if your arguement was true west virginina would of rejoined Virginia due to the agreement post civil war but the supreme court ruled on it and decided this was not the case thats why there was the possiblity of splitting califorina a while ago
Land. Does. Not. Vote. My parents who were Republicans used to say it as well: "If you look at the map it's all Red!" We are a representative government of the people.
No one wants a corn field deciding the election. They might have opinions on the ethanol market
No, it does not. But popular sovereignty does have the unfortunate side effect of meaning that the people in the urban cities get to proscribe policy that affects rural people. They feel the government in Salem doesn't represent them or have any room for their problems, and having lived in both western and eastern oregon, I'd be inclined to agree.
@Kenny Powers I don't want deranged loons who believe ridiculous conspiracy theories to shield their fragile ego to vote either but it's their right.
@@Vaporifix Is that why in the past 2 elections there have been formal investigations by the FEC into voter fraud and that they HAVE found voting fraud taking place but didn't have enough formal evidence outside of hear-say and video to actually prosecute?
If you actually think that the federal government isn't ran by corrupt people trying to line their pockets then you are delusional.
@@JustAGooseman So their inability to find proof of voter fraud is evidence now?
One is inhabited by producers of food for the entire nation and the other is inhabited by people who do nothing but waste food and resources.
I'm sorry I just woke from s 20 year coma, who took these ppls right to vote away?
These people....... An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane. We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us. We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
"We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute. We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.
"We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air. They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison. The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems. From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
"They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect. When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.
When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future. When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.
"We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives.
We will use fear as our weapon. We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.
"Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way. We will make them kill each other when it suits us. We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion. We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how. We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.
We will foment animosity between them through our factions. When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best. We will make them rip each other’s hearts apart and kill their own children. We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend. The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers.
They will be busy killing each other. They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit.
"We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us. We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths. We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished. We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds. We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this. The tools will be provided by their labor. We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.
"We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know! They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal. Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal. We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them. We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have. We willestablish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.
"When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media. We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favor. When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that. They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
"We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us. The recruits will be called “initiates” and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth.
They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us. For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.
The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late. Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.
"When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion. When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin. Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.
"But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW. If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action. They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.
"This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans. This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came."
"This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist.
It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself."
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It wouldn't be the wrath of THE Creator, THE Creator contains no wrath. The authors are sociopaths, concrete sorcerers who have forsaken the abstract for personal gain, power and domination.
The NPC's they dominate are powerless against them because all thay have are erroneous beLIEfs, that these very same sorcerers gave them. They told them that THEY are "chosen" and that "God" decreed these erroneous beLIEfs. The NPC's have been disempowered ever since, arguing and fighting among themselves about these erroneous beLIEfs.
There is a way out........recapitalization.
@@ThePoehladian You are the definition of TLDR.
@@stevechance150 The right ones will, don't sweat it.
Mr. Castle. No No No No No, these country folk make up around 3 % of the population, but what they want is 51% of the control of the state. And the amusing part is that they see this as completely fair. They want the equivalent of the Electoral College, but at the state level.
@@ThePoehladian bot
This is part of a democratic government. You’re not always going to win, you’re sometimes going to be outnumbered. Some of their concerns are valid though like the people who make these policies have no idea how they make a living and it’s so easy to type“well just get a new job,” on your tablet while sipping on your latte, okay sorry for the stereotype but really there’s a huge disconnect between different parts of the country and it’s not good in the long run.
we dont live in a democracy
@@jeremymccullough7631 guess what? I didn’t say democracy did I? No I said democratic government. Which is what our constitutional republic is. Yes it is a democratic form of government even with the electoral college.
Just relocate to Idaho. Problem solved.
"Let's go back to the Civil War", nah, let's not.
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ngl, he had a little bit of my sympathy until he said that.
People who talk like that usually are 50+ pounds overweight, have heart problems and or are fast approaching 65 and still consuming copious amounts of alcohol. We saw them at the capitol beating up cops who were only armed with shields. Guys who couldn't run a 6 minute mile but got somewhere using football rush tactics. Id love to see what kind of "civil war" would ensue if these guys in Oregon tried that nonsense against fully armed Marines, a Tank, and an Attack Helicopter with shoot to kill orders. I'm not sure it'd even be considered a battle, rather a massacre.
@@LeeeroyJenkins sympathy?
America is not United enough on anything. American views are a spectrum. There are not enough extreme liberal or conservative people to sway the country entirely one way.
Here's the deal combine a bunch of states into a Wyo-monta-daho-regon. Two senators
@Lynette Hicks have you heard of Panama? Canda? Lmao. We’re still connected to South America and Canada, dumby
wyomontandahogon
@Lynette Hicks no thanks I just moved to Tijuana to leave the United States.
@@noellethomas2589 have YOU heard of Panama? You do realize what’s in the middle of Panama. Right?
That would be a massive RED state. I LOVE IT
For a young reporter, the tact and diplomacy he shows with how he carefully frames the conversation with these groups demonstrates experience well beyond his years. I hope to see more interviews from him.
He doesn’t look young in any form of the word. Did you watch in 144p?
Oh 😱 These radical groups 😰 I’m scawed did you heaw that scawy music? 😭😭😭 help me I think this is violence he said he wants to use legislation to change state boundawies 😭
Then what about the people in that area that don't want to become part of Idaho? He must not really value their input.
Conservatives don’t care about other people, just themselves.
I remember one of my friend telling me “ You know Minnesota is actually pretty conservative, its only Twin cities that vote democrat” and I was like “ You mean an area where 90 % of your population lives”
At 6:00 when this guy talks about small blue pockets and “sea of red” its the same thing. US is thoroughly an Urban country where almost 90% of the population live in an Urban area or in that small blue pocket.
they are so concerned with all the rioting and looters in their communities i guess
fox news is poison
It's funny that republicans have been brainwashed on this. "Welfare democrats" in urban areas bring in around 80% of this country's wealth...these areas also by and large voted for Clinton in 2016 and even more so, Biden in 2020. Republicans can't win, they don't have the population, they don't have the wealth. They have the guns and leaders who are literally working 24/7 to keep democrats from voting and re-drawing districts and now, state borders. Just a party that knows they have to cheat and change the rules bc they can't win. We should give them Texas and let them build a wall around it.
@@alicesrabbit7126 This is what I was going to say. The 'red' parts of the country are resource sucks. They function because of the money from the 'blue' areas. From what I heard, Idaho doesn't want them because they bring nothing to the table, economically. They would just cost the state more.
As someone who lives in Eastern Oregon i can attest that very few of these idiots have actually looked into what the count gets in funding from the state vs what we pay to it. The three largest cities in our country combined are less than 50k people (21k 18k and 10k last time I looked) with a total population of around 80k. There are neighborhoods in portland with more population than my county...and we are one of the more populous of eastern Oregon.
The whole plan is ridiculous and not thought out at all.
One of the things they failed to.mention is that they would "modernize" the port at coos Bay to be the main export site for grain from greater Idaho, ignoring that the current main port in portland has both rail lines, and the Columbia leading almost directly to it where coos bay has neither so it would take massive infrastructure improvements for both the port itself and the road ways, and would lead to a huge increase in truck traffic, driving up costs compared to shipping grain down the river in barges, all while getting lower wages for not all that much lower cost of living
@@cc-dtv Yeah, it is not like it did not happen ,right?
I can understand the economic conflicts of interest, like when the rural guy mentioned diesel and property taxes. But when they start talking about immigration and transgenders and abortion I just don’t get that. Those cultural and social issues don’t really impact their lives so why do they care so much? Why do rural folk care so much about what goes on in the cities? They don’t live there, so what’s bothering them?
They were raised (for the most part) by parents who themselves had grown up in a time of extreme bigotry... some people grow past it, and some people don’t, sad to say...
@@LordOfTheEyebots friendly reminder that "transgenders" isn't a word, it's actually just "transgender" or "trans people" :) the more you know!
Nobody everyone woke down their throat‘s
Majority of the workers in eastern oregon are immigrants and illegal. They treat them horrible
"They don’t live there, so what’s bothering them?"
Why do people in blue states care when people in red states try to pass more restrictive abortion laws?
What about all the people in those areas that want to remain apart of Oregon? Do they have to move if they don't want to be apart of Idaho? and if the answer is that they can leave, well then why don't the people that want to move the border don't leave?
These are the same people that would say if you do t love America to get the hell out. The same people that have no problems when the other side’s freedom is Infringed with anti abortion, immigration, etc laws.
It's almost like being a minority kinda sucks 🤔
Sad thing is, they have immense political power, but they still see themselves as victims because they don't have ALL the power. There is a reason this community puts out so many militias, separatists, and sovereign citizens.
Hmm so the so called Minority in large city aren't Minority after all.
Hundreds of miles of roads, power lines out to their houses, telephone lines, police and fire, schools, and welfare. Do they think the population of 2000 people pay for all those services? Alpine county in California wants to split off. It has a population 1101. That's 1.5 person per square mile. Of course the government seat doesn't listen, no one lives there. Also please don't tell me about rural morality when Alpine county has such a large percentage of Meth heads.
@@neeneko "immense" political power. Yes that's why they don't feel represented at all.
This man thinks land mass on those maps represents voting populations/individual voters. Those red areas would be tiny specs if that was the case 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ 5:50
That was a "big fucking moron" moment for sure.
MY COUNTY IS BIGGER LAND SO WE GET BIGGER VOTE
GET OWNED LIBTARDS
Why should city dwellers reap the benefits of that extra land? Its just an arbitrary man made border after all. If the people that live there would rather be taxed and exist in Idaho's system, they should be allowed to use local representative democracy to do so
@Anastasia Delicious Nothing really. I'm from a tiny, rural community. Grew up working hard, sweating profusely, and getting paid very little. I've lived in a metro area now for 30+ years as an office professional. I feel that I'm pretty good at seeing both the urban and rural positions. The problem is: people like me are extremely rare. Most people have zero concept of the other life. They've either spent their whole life in rural or small-town OR they've always been urban/suburban.
@Anastasia Delicious yeah, same. I moved here from a small Pueblo in Mexico and lived in LA and Vegas and Minneapolis, but I’ve also lived in Pequot Minnesota with the population of 300 and one road for several years and a small town in NC too far to ever properly shop. I think they need to take personal responsibility and accountability and JUST MOVE. Like everyone else does when they don’t like where they live. Like an adult. This honestly seems like a temper tantrum. Also, everyone I’ve seen in this video was and old person. They won’t even live long enough to see the consequences of their actions.
Just sucks portland dictates the entire state when thr majority of the state thinks differently.
Simply moving to Idaho wasn't an option?
Why not just actually move to Idaho? It would probably be a lot easier than to secede from Oregon
They don't want to give up their land, some of which is probably family land.
@@CCitis family land stolen from the natives, yea...
Why don't people in DC just move?
@@CCitis they can sell it and buy another land, they just don't like democracy
@@CCitis they prefer to be a bunch of whiney,little babies crying for any kind of attention they can get!Growing up might be a wise option...
“We are tough patriots who fight for Freedom and democracy but if the democratic process is not in our favor we will throw the biggest fit the world has seen for a while” Conservatives
@dingle Berry totally agree. It doesn’t matter who you vote for and or believe in. United States is fucked unless we “Unite” as a country. But we are only humans.
I mean every side that isn't winning their way does this we just watched for 4 years leftist throwing a fit because the right was in control and the previous eight years the right throwing a fit because the left was in control
@@joshsmith503 you have to admit though, one side is consistently portraying themselves as the down trodden, the forgotten, the victims.
They forget though, that many of the ways they are marginalized affects people regardless of political party. It’s just usually those who see themselves as the victim don’t have empathy for people who are different from them, because - they’re the victim.
@@joshsmith503 But the leftists didn't try to annex land already established, nor did we try to cede from the Union. You guys seem to be cry worse and threaten violence and cession because it's not how you want things. If you want a leader to force your lifestyle on everyone, move to Russia/China/Belarus/North Korea
@@bettzysdaddy i think you forgot southern democrat leftist did in fact cede from the the union. Or when California wanted to secede from "trumps America"
A lot of us do NOT! We don't want sales tax, especially on our older vehicles, as they do in Idaho. Check out Idaho's new laws oppressing LGBTQ and women's health care, minimum wage and no health care for the poore folks. Check out their recent mailing that lies about CRT and redistricting. Check out that marijuana is criminalized. Check out the cost of reregistering your small business in a new state.
There are way more Republicans and conservatives in oregon then people think. Alot of our votes are just not counted for "reasons".
I'm from NorCal and this is the first I've heard of the Greater Idaho border, most people up here want the state of Jefferson, which is a whole other thing
I’m sorry but state of Jefferson would be pretty dope. (From southern oregon)
Jefferson is a cool idea but it’s not very likely to happen because of the amount of hoops you’d be jumping through
I thought they wanted Cascadia
@@NovikNikolovic Depends on who you ask! Cascadia is more about uniting the ecosystem where, jefferson is about rights
@@saspurillie you from the area btw? Now I'm curious
"Men and girls sports leagues"
Interesting how he doesn't write women and men or boys and girls. Small details like that say a lot
He said "Men IN girls' sports leagues" meaning he doesn't like trans kids playing sports with the gender they identify with.
@@cjmhall Still, revealing.
@@virginiamoss7045 that's the point of saying something is to reveal an opinion
yup….language counts
@@therealbfunke The way it was said reveals not an opinion, but something more untoward. You figure it out.
Anyone who’s saying the ranchers need to move needs a reality check, they’re lives are on this land, people should gets to choose who represents them and their values
That 32000 acre rancher is why food prices are high
I guess the "if you don't like it then leave" mindset only applies to certain people lol
And I guess minorities living under their own representation goes for only certain races.
@@JallyJam They have representation, stop crying.
They want to leave. Didn't you watch the video?
@@thechosenone1533 No they wanted the border moved for them. Talk about entitlement.
@@thechosenone1533 the whole point of the video is they’d rather move the border then move their ass lol.
Damn! If they join Idaho, who'll be subsidizing them then? There will be no places with real economic output apart from Boise.
The vast majority of "subsidies" are typically tax deductibles (thanks for not taxing us to death I guess) But for some reason media types just lob it all together.
The only real "grant" money we get is when the government has a trade spat with another country whose people are our clients. We plan everything with that in mind since we typically only get paid once or twice a year. We have no voice in that side of politics and I can't for the life of me understand you guys in the urban area's won't let us go? You clearly have nothing but disgust for us, so why keep us around? Not like you'll ever visit us?
@@brandonboi9465 "Tax deductibles"?? LOL! Look at the government income and expense by county and you'll that the only ones getting less than what they pay in are Portland and the surrounding urban counties. Rest are welfare queens.
I don't think these guys should assume that their taxes will go down. A very small population and a lot of infrastructure without the economies of scale of cities.
@@johnendersby1619 They might go down and then the Federal government will step in to provide some welfare just like it does to the majority of red states. Or the taxes might go down - they'll just privatize everything and you'll have to pay a toll to roll out of your driveway. But hey, NO GUBERNMENT TAXES though!
Your government is full of crap then because we sure as hell don't get any of this money your talking about. And how does Portland pay off anything when the city is broke? You honestly think infrastructure costs the same here then it does in overcrowded cities with a three day shelf life? Because if what your saying is true then your local government is pocketing a fuckton of cash because we're not seeing any of it.
I'm a Democrat from south western Oregon. I've only just begun to look into this issue. I have to say... this idea has some merits. Rural Oregon is underrepresented in Salem, it would be nice not to have them gridlocking Salem and Western Oregon would be much better off without the eastern part which is really just a drain on our finances.
"A lot of those people think that a T-bone steak comes from Costco". This decaying bag of bones probably thinks that Wi-Fi is witchcraft.
Have some respect for a good man that's worked hard all his life and provided for his family.
@@bobbersg8058 I must've missed the part where they went over his life story. No good man stands with that childish joker that calls everyone with opposing views "libtards".
They haven't thought it through. Good luck with not raising taxes to pay for $100M+ a year in fighting wildfires on all that land. This will be one of the poorest States in the country after this.
They'll eliminate all the money-making, taxable cities, and only have burnt forests! HAHAHAHA!!
Yeah very few of these people think about taxes where do you think the majority of the state's tax revenue comes from? The answer is it comes from cities. Just like in every other state. And because there is a much smaller population in the rural parts of the country they do not deserve as much representation as The parts that have more people That's how representative democracy works wherever the population centers are, that is where the power is mostly going to be centered.
Don’t worry, red states depend on handouts from federal government which is mostly funded by blue states
they'll come crying to the federal govt for assistance which majority of that money will be coming from blue America
Hey, can Oregon and California Democrats stop deporting homeless people to Idaho and Utah while giving more and more benefits to non-citizens? Thanks
Imagine unironicly droping "libtard" unprovoked.
Imagine if you knew how to spell...
and without shame on video for the world to see...
@@jacobw2573 yeah. "Why can't we all get along" they say. Jesus..
@@DarkeningDemise I didn't. What are you on about?
Darkening Demise if the right’s constant xenophobia isn’t enough to provoke, then jan 6th definitely is...the right is obviously fascist.
My poor mother lives in Prineville OR... and wow what a place it is. very small town and everyone knows each other.. about 99.5% white. In 2020 there was an actual white supremacy rally (of course they wouldn't call it that.. more like a blue lives matter rally in their eyes) in response to the protest in Portland from BLM. They even held it next to the town hall where they would have hangings. The people of Prineville gathered in the streets with confederate flags and their guns (a lot of assault rifles in the crowd) and it simply disgusted me. A lot of like minded people together like that is a problem waiting to happen.
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The “blue pockets” are where the people live in Oregon, fool. They’re not pockets but 97% of Oregonians.
And yet they have more political power, but they have less land and resources. They don't grow food, don't invest in the country, don't mine resources and don't raise animals. They contribute very little in their slums
@@chaosXP3RT The highest median incomes (the counties that contribute the most to the economy) in Oregon are all on the west coast, generally centering on Portland. The further east you go in Oregon, the poorer Oregon gets, and it's stark. Malheur, Jefferson, Morrow, Wheeler, Harney and Umatilla are poorest counties in Oregon, and some of the poorest counties in the entire USA, and they're also the six Reddest counties in Oregon: that's not a coincidence. Rural republicans love to pretend they keep the country running, but what you actually do is closer to opioids, welfare, and incest.
@@chaosXP3RT Most of Oregon's GDP and economic activity comes from the cities. Rural oregon contributes very little.
@@Yvaelle that's harsh but the reality is Rural America is generally more destitute and somewhat dependent on government policies that subsidize the Heartland using money collected largely from urban areas.
@@jasonwilkins1969 aside from like ALL of our food
It's almost like population density is real.
Huh?
@C. T. L. God, I'd love if America was ACTUALLY marxist. Sadly, it's just a bunch of neoliberals and reactionaries, such as yourself.
@@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444 Have you seen the bread lines in Texas? We already have breadlines. We want to turn the USA more like Scandinavia where quality of life is far superior for the majority of Americans. Instead of strawmaning why don't you challenge our ideas head on like single payer healthcare?
It's almost like the rural people with more land, and resources contribute more to keeping the dense populations fed, and happy than the other way around
@@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444 Question is Venezuela socialist 2 you?
Rural people everywhere feel the pain of not being listened to or represented.
The rurals need to be less ignorant, more educated and less lazy. MFers cry too much but never bootstrap! High Five!
@@buckseedamerica2743 what kind of brain worms are infesting your skull to call ranchers and farmers lazy. U must be black
Pretty bent questions from that reporter. Not exactly looking at it from a neutral point
lol I cannot believe that guy used the phrase "libtard"
it's a catchy phrase in the enclaves of online right wing edgelords
Yes you can
Vice is like "oh hell yeah we got that on camera"
That guy was probably super butthurt by HC saying "deplorables"
you mad libtard? @Conner Hendrick
Now these guys know what us 5 million Texas dems feel like. Except I’m a proud Texan and would never secede from or leave my state(unconditional love).
Naw , we could care less how you feel .
Can’t wait 2022 , we’ll get even…
As a Texan whose lived here his whole life I hate it here
@W W
Nah, Texas will soon be blue;) It's gonna make fascists cry again.
I love Texas,but Texas has a bunch of idiots.If you look at the certain events that occured in this country,most of the participants are from TX.Great state,good people,but also a bunch of nut heads live here.
forget tx and that flea bit dust wash of a state.
This is the adult version of that kid rolling around on the floor of a grocery store cause momma said "No"
"These Oregonians Would Rather Join Idaho Than Be in a Liberal State"
These Oregonians Would Rather Take Their Ball And Go Home While Shouting They Wont Play With You Anymore. Fixed. This is the adult equivalent of that anyway. I live in Hood River County, Oregon. It straddles the line between eastern and western Oregon and has been included in past proposed Greater Idahos, though not this one. I personally do not want to become an Idahoan unless I choose to move there, tyvm
Lol. Not to mention they're not even considering Indigenous voices/impact in their plan. Very "on brand."
LOL wow you are hopeless
@@EH-pm1ke If owning your history and recognizing the legitimacy of the concerns of the people who were here first is “hopeless” then I guess I’m “hopeless” too.
How conservative of them. Much conservation, very effort.
If the Native Reservations of Arizona want to join Mexico, shouldn't they be allowed? If Alaska wants to join Russia or Canada, shouldn't it be allowed? Isn't that Democracy?
If Texas Democrats care about Democracy, why are they preventing it in Texas by refusing to return to session? If Texas Democrats can flee Texas, why can't part of Oregon flee to Idaho?
@@chaosXP3RT Why is the sky blue? Why did the lords of Westerose elect Brandon Stark as the new protector of the realm? Why did Elvis die on a toilet? If the evil spirit arms the tiger with claws, what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
@ 06:38 "Can we just exist as humans together?" The IRONY is so too much I'm dying inside.
It's an arbitrary line. Why can't you just let them move that line? They don't want to be dictated by you.
@@gofish7388 So we don't need boarders all of a sudden? Just move and stop whining.
We get down to the crux of it after that "They don't value my opinion". The adult white male version of "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE".
@@blasphimus Everything he owns is in Oregon he can't move.
@@khefrenka2348 that's racist and sexist. Also, he has the right to have his voice heard.
These people would probably rather live in Saudi Arabia than live in a liberal state lmfao
Why do you play creepy music in the background when the ranchers are talking?
"These Argonians would rather join the Empire than be in Black Marsh" - Alternate Title
The irony is completely lost on them that this is essentially the same argument that the Native American groups have always had about having their land stolen, but coming from those that currently own it.
Since I'm Native American why don't you give me your house then?
Natives wanted to live on their own land but the "majority" told them to shut up. Sounds familiar here...
“Let’s go back to the civil war” I bet you this man can’t tell you basic information about the civil way or any other.
I bet he can shoot guns 😎
“You don’t value my input”
I didn’t value your input FIRST! HAHA
one rancher said "they" want to take away their rights, but when asked for an example he immediately went to the 2nd amendment which has not been threatened or changed in any way, and he then laughed about the libtards and the issue was piled onto and the journalist moved on to another concern.
An insightful analysis! Danke!
He also said 1st amendment rights.
Do you not recall the Bundy grazing rights standoff? January 26, 2016, the FBI killed Bundy over long standing practicing of allowing grazing on Federal Land. This is where the attacked on rural people started. Obama! Go sit still, you are misinformed and selling a very narrow agenda.
@@ohsugar5431 grazing which was no longer allowed so Bundy and crew tried to seize a federal property; sounds familiar (1/6?). Which is what got him killed. None of this has to do with Oregon.
Lol the 2nd amendment has been under threat since the 50s