Using A Big Carb With A Modified Stock Airbox : Scooter How-To

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  • @DirtyDangler25
    @DirtyDangler25 4 роки тому +8

    You didn't have to go and shoot a whole video just to answer my question. haha jk

  • @tommiturunen8144
    @tommiturunen8144 4 роки тому

    Thank you alot for these videos, they are very helpful!

  • @jasonyoung22
    @jasonyoung22 4 роки тому +3

    I did a 150cc gy6 swap on my Kymco Agility 50. Used a pod filter(Uni). And I will always notice a difference when ride from slight weather changes. So I'm with you on the (I dont want to re-tune alot of times I ride) and I ride every day so... Great video! As always keep up with you great videos! You have helped me sooo many times through the years.

  • @bobtheunplayer
    @bobtheunplayer 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Brent, another excellent video. Can you do a follow up to discuss the "why" an airbox works better vs a pod filter? I've been going over it in my head and seems that maybe that long tube leading up to the carb evens out the air flow much better than the chaotic airflow that comes with a pod filter.

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      They do provide a more stable air source. They can be tuned to the engine. They are more effective at filtering and keeping water out.

  • @AB-kg6rk
    @AB-kg6rk 4 роки тому +1

    great info

    • @AB-kg6rk
      @AB-kg6rk 4 роки тому

      Do you have videos of the gy6 150cc?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +2

      @@AB-kg6rk If you look at my uploads and go back to 3 years ago, I have a few 150 vids. I didn't stick with the GY6 for long. Didn't really serve any useful purpose for me and I didn't enjoy modifying it as much as other scoots. I do have some other how-to videos that apply well to both the 139QMB and GY6 though.

  • @markanthony9388
    @markanthony9388 4 роки тому +1

    my friend you need a smooth plastic tube...becaue you are using flexible tube that can restrict air you know what i mean.? it much better to use radiator hose so the flow of air is smooth

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      I've thought about it, just haven't done it. The rad hose I have doesn't fit this and I didn't bother buying anything else because it has been working well.

  • @PetroLarsson
    @PetroLarsson 4 роки тому +1

    I'm sorry to say that my GY6 50cc with18mm Keihin wont run well with the airbox... And I'm not kean at all on a short "racing filter" for the loud open air sound it makes... Was thinking of what I just stumbled on here, a larger hose... to some canister.. I now might try it on the original filter for after watching this, it might just be the 25x150mm original hose/channel that is the (only) problem.
    Thank You mate!

  • @rcolovic9610
    @rcolovic9610 4 роки тому +2

    Hello, i am from Turkey., following you on youtube channel. I own a scooter (code is 1P39QMB) . I will apply big bore kits (72cc up to 86cc) and also racing cam shaft. My question is should i use my existing carburator or sould i upgrade it as well? If so, do you recommend what size. of carburator it should be? Thank you for your help in advance.. Your channel ROCKS by the way.

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks. 72cc or 86cc may be fine with the stock 18-19mm carb. Most use bigger carbs beyond the 47mm kits. The GY6 150 carb and intake swap is pretty popular for the larger bores and can be done fairly cheap. Those are 24mm carbs.

    • @rcolovic9610
      @rcolovic9610 4 роки тому +2

      @@49ccscoot Thank you so much

  • @peshoserbezov
    @peshoserbezov Рік тому +1

    We build airsal exteme 77 with pwk 24mm and Yasuni r1400. Its very loudly. I consider from a long time to put back stock airbox, will modify and re-install. Very good lesson.Keep in the same way.

  • @thedaydreamer7972
    @thedaydreamer7972 2 роки тому +1

    You put out nice content man, I have a Znen150T chinese special, Ive got it running nice all stock with new carburator, however I would like to add, UNI filter and exhaust and upjet, however this scooter has EVAP system and there are 4 hoses into my airbox, I am not sure what to rip out, re-route or replug, do you have an email I could send pics to, maybe you could give me some advice how to remove evap and simplifiy with new performance parts? TY for your work

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  2 роки тому

      I'm not an expert with all of the emissions stuff. Your best bet would be to post on the forum at 49ccscoot.proboards.com
      That way anyone there can help and you can post pics. If you use mobile, tapatalk app makes pics easy.

  • @lboogiesmith483
    @lboogiesmith483 3 роки тому +1

    Great but my scooter is about 12 years old and my air box is 2x the size of my carb on kymco people 50cc scooter any suggestions??

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  3 роки тому +1

      The one that I use is for a 1E40QMB or similar to Yamaha BWS/Zuma. There are also aftermarket airboxes by Polini and Motoforce to fit different carbs.

  • @blind8686
    @blind8686 4 роки тому +2

    Please take a look at how different the connection between the airbox and carb is in Piaggio 2 stroke scooters. Even in stock piaggio scooters that tube is very short, the curve part has a specialy profiled section of the curve (not circular all the way)and acts like a part of the carbs venturi stack. Also the airbox outlet to the tube is profiled like a velocity stack inside. The airbox on piaggios also seems to have quite larger volume. There are two inlet passages to the piaggio airbox and they have different lenghts. I guess it has to do with intake resonant frequencies. It always seemed to me like the piaggio intake system is much more detailed and much better thought out than that on minareli.

  • @25bg
    @25bg 4 роки тому +2

    bravo ......molti pensano che i filtri a cono siano meglio,ma l airbox è determinante per le prestazioni,saluti dall Italia

  • @mopedmessiah
    @mopedmessiah 3 роки тому +1

    Ill say, a thing i found out about is polini pod filters that have a black clip on cover over it. Maybe thats a good middle ground? I have one on my Zuma and with around 30° weather shifts it only changes a little bit.

  • @elizabethmcheffey8699
    @elizabethmcheffey8699 4 роки тому +3

    I’ve been wondering this same thing since you’ve planted that seed in my head

  • @Farseer1995
    @Farseer1995 4 роки тому +2

    Damn straight I will be liking. Thanks for the tips. Now I know for sure that my airbox IS lacking a seal between the two halves. Also, when in doubt, I use silicone on everything I suspect could be leak prone. I have to take my carb out so often thesedays that I might as well try the heater gun method to aid installation. I never look forward to attaching the airbox to the carb once I am done... it puts up such a fight. Hopefully now it will be much easier.

  • @ochieev3165
    @ochieev3165 3 роки тому +1

    hi bro i have mikuni stock carb for my jog 90 but it's not working well it is bogging down in full throttle i tried to put another stock carb japan its working but the scootoer went slow i prefer the mikuni much more power but i cant fint a seller in my country can i fix my old carb?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  3 роки тому +1

      The new carb probably just needs to be tuned. This is a pretty common issue, where someone believes it is a bolt-on replacement but it does need more attention. If they are the same carb, you may be able to swap the main jet from the old one into the new one and get a better result. Sometimes it's that easy, sometimes you have to go through a tuning process. Here's more info than you probably want about carb tuning :
      www.49ccscoot.com/faq/carbtune.html

    • @ochieev3165
      @ochieev3165 3 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot thanks bro. Its a big help for me 🙏 I will read it thanks for this info 🖤

  • @freddybruna4692
    @freddybruna4692 3 роки тому +1

    Hello, what configuration do you have in the carburetor? What carburetor size do you have?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  3 роки тому

      This was a 25mm DellOrto PHBL. Last used configuration was 102 main jet, D26 needle, 64 pilot jet, 40 slide and 60 starter jet.

  • @midwestmotorbikes2696
    @midwestmotorbikes2696 4 роки тому +1

    So I work with these 49cc/69cc motorized bike engines. The kit comes with a very basic carb which is called the NT carb. The carb has a very small airbox which is really just a filter mesh with plastic holding it. Can subtle performance gains be made using an airbox? What would be the alternative for our engine kits? Or will slapping on a cone filter and calling it a day be the only practical solution?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      If the filter isn't good, then at least you could build a simple box to hold a good filter and have the benefit of proper air filtration that would be quieter and probably a bit less sensitive to atmospheric changes than just a pod filter. If you want a proper airbox then there's a whole lot of design involved and it would be easier to adapt something from a similarly sized engine.

  • @alberttonson3191
    @alberttonson3191 4 роки тому +1

    have you ever considered a pwk carburetor ? imo they are so much better, and they have a powerjet for acceleration

  • @ninoechavez1402
    @ninoechavez1402 4 роки тому +1

    Hi man. The minarelli airbox on my scooter cracked right at the neck where the rubber connects to the the carb. I have the snorkel off since i had this scooter. Not sure if gluing it will work well. Not really keen on buying a new airbox yet as it is only a few months old.

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      You could try plastic welder or epoxy. If it's the rubber piece that is cracking, then you can get replacements for just that. You may even be able to replace just the part of the airbox that cracked if it's the plastic.

    • @ninoechavez1402
      @ninoechavez1402 4 роки тому

      49ccScoot just the rubber neck part of the airbox is cracked. Do you have a link where to get it?

  • @frankierutherford1888
    @frankierutherford1888 4 роки тому +2

    Dam I’m so glad you done this one. On air filtration. Well done

  • @pubbiehive
    @pubbiehive 4 роки тому +2

    When it comes to Yamaha scooters with the horizontal Minarelli, it seems like there are two different snorkel sizes. The snorkel is mostly a silencer, I have the larger unrestricted snorkel on my airbox and it quiets the intake side down significantly.

    • @99domini99
      @99domini99 4 роки тому +1

      My Yamaha had the smaller snorkel, from some short research it's apparently meant for the light moped version of the scooter, that's restricted to go only 25kmh/18mph.
      For some reason my normal Yamaha had the light moped air box with the tiny snorkel. Removing it did wonders for acceleration! The light moped version's hole diameter is only about ~1cm/0,4in.

    • @pubbiehive
      @pubbiehive 4 роки тому

      @@99domini99 Even the Euro2 45 km/h version has it stock, I ordered the larger one for like 3 bucks online, runs great now and it's not very noisy.

  • @01sidiropoulos
    @01sidiropoulos 4 роки тому +2

    Very creative man😉

  • @progaragechinskiemotorki
    @progaragechinskiemotorki 4 роки тому

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  • @thatabdelhak
    @thatabdelhak 4 роки тому +1

    I tried to watch the video on mute, and it was very instructive. I really appreciate your ideas and your enthusiasm. Thank you very much!

  • @icelandicweirdo
    @icelandicweirdo 4 роки тому +1

    yeah, at one point i also shared your belief in that air boxes dont impact performance in any meaningful way.... until i got some substantial time on a dyno. even with a large gokart air box designed to work on two strokes, with quad venturi inlets and optimal flow, the pod style air filters still are a better option.. im talking that i gained 4 horsepower, went from 19whp to 23 whp on a 70cc engine simply by switching from an airbox to a pod filter. every dyno operator and tuner ive met, have similar results anywhere from 2-8 hp difference

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +1

      I wonder what the dyno would show if you took a street build and ran it day after day. How much would the power be off on the days farthest from it's ideal tune vs the airbox? Would be an interesting test for someone with access to a dyno IMO.

    • @icelandicweirdo
      @icelandicweirdo 4 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot i dont know about a street build, but on the racers ive had, the variation is about 0,5- 1 hp over a whole season, and that result is only due to poor carburator quality, the chinese clones really dont like weather changes

  • @quinten250
    @quinten250 Рік тому +1

    How much did you go up in jets?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  Рік тому

      You'll have to downsize most likely if going from a pod filter to airbox. The exact amount will vary because airboxes are not all made the same.

  • @2taktfriseur
    @2taktfriseur 4 роки тому +1

    Nice ideas! i have use 2 angle grinder grip's for the air intake into the filter on my street scoot

  • @fitomunozserrano9500
    @fitomunozserrano9500 4 роки тому +1

    Very instructive video , grettings from spain, i have a question about sport cylinders and is if you should To set an early ignition con this cylinders or the rpm are not been increased enought

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      You may benefit from advancing timing even on a stock cylinder. If you make a big change with a standard CDI, it may not work well because it won't retard the timing enough at higher RPM for best results with a tuned pipe. As always, you have to be careful not to go too far and end up with detonation.

  • @arminprnjavorac2084
    @arminprnjavorac2084 4 роки тому +1

    Maybe you can build a metal bracket to secure the box also on the underside.

  • @IosuamacaMhadaidh
    @IosuamacaMhadaidh Рік тому

    Anyone here install an aluminum curved intake pipe on an 80cc bbk gy6? I'm getting backfiring on the intake side, where it never happened before. The only difference is before installing I had already dialed down my main jet size for the hotter weather (I had richened it for the winter).
    Think maybe it's too lean now between that and the curve pipe? Maybe up the jet some again?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  Рік тому

      Possibly lean, but also a good idea to make sure you don't have any leaks around the intake.

  • @dakine808shooter
    @dakine808shooter 4 роки тому +1

    That's how we do it here in hawaii since they started cracking down on noise. Except most builds we use 28 pwk carbs . Awesome channel one of the best I've seen in the states keep up the good work......the more I watch the more I want to build another bike hahahaha....btw your bike is fast for such a long air intake.

    • @dillonfulton3986
      @dillonfulton3986 3 роки тому

      Do you premix the fuel? Or do you have a 28mm pwk that premixed if so do you have a link

  • @jaygenv855
    @jaygenv855 4 роки тому +1

    Been looking for a video like this, thanks, great channel with awesome videos

  • @leroyabi1604
    @leroyabi1604 4 роки тому +1

    Can you put a link to the air box and hose you bought??? Your videos are the best!!! Thanks!

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +2

      Airbox : www.ebay.com/itm/For-Polaris-Sportsman-Scrambler-Predator-50cc-90cc-ATV-Air-Box-W-Filter-0451080/162800816393
      Hose : www.mcmaster.com/blower-vacuum-hose
      I can't remember exactly which hose I got, or it may not be there after all these years. Lots of options in that link though. You can get a coupling in any good plumbing section.

  • @souhail2012
    @souhail2012 4 роки тому +1

    damn , 23 min for an air filter mod , a bit much . love this channel

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +1

      I thought the same thing when I was editing it, but didn't really want to cut much out.

  • @Bidalotroxi
    @Bidalotroxi 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you! Very good video

  • @correia.98
    @correia.98 11 місяців тому

    I have a 70cc horizontal minarelli with a 21 carburetor and it had a velocity stack, now in winter the bike died at high speed, I mounted the tube from the original box with a pod filter and on the side of the carburetor I fitted it with a front fork retainer to fit the correct carburetor size 56mm, i have never felt the bike so good, even the noise is crispyer and feel much stronger and constant both at idle as at high speed.

  • @обзоррвогп-щ5д
    @обзоррвогп-щ5д Місяць тому

    my issue is the noise of the pod filter. does this make the bike more silent also?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  Місяць тому

      Yes. An airbox should reduce intake noise.

  • @timothiouschurchill9496
    @timothiouschurchill9496 Рік тому

    I have been binge watching all of your videos i've never been more informed with such detail i'm in factuated with how far you go. I can't understate how appreciative I am of your analytics.

  • @richardworden9747
    @richardworden9747 2 роки тому

    If only I had seen your video before now . I have been using a pod filter on my gy6 50cc engine from the time I picked it up used and have had nothing but problems with it running right and trying to keep it in tune . So today I ordered a new air filter box . Thanks for the tip.

  • @mondomontie7449
    @mondomontie7449 28 днів тому

    Hi there grateful for ur channel I have a stock standard Yamaha axis 90 got 88 jet if u do this wud I just plug en play

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  27 днів тому +1

      It should be very close. Always a good idea to check the tune though.

    • @mondomontie7449
      @mondomontie7449 18 днів тому

      @@49ccscoot thank u very much now iam just waiting on my v8exhaust pipe. Eny thing I need to do when fitting it iam new to this so I learn step by step small steps wud love to get good fun out of it no whit small mods eny ey advice wil be appraised I love to take long country roads enjoy the rides

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  18 днів тому

      @@mondomontie7449 Always try to stay on the side of rich. A little extra fuel will help to cool the engine. When you get the new pipe, make sure it bolts up without tension on anything. When you put tension on the pipe, like bolting it on in a spot where you're having to force everything to align, it winds up causing cracks in the pipe. Use spacers as needed on mounts. Elongate, redrill or enlarge mount holes if necessary. If the header needs to rotate a little to make it work, sometimes you can elongate the flange mount holes a little to do that. Spend the time on setup so you don't spend the money on another pipe later.

    • @mondomontie7449
      @mondomontie7449 18 днів тому

      @@49ccscoot I get u 100% small details that can safe lots of money my setting is one en half out now stock en it go nice after pipe il look at cvt

  • @docslegacy3332
    @docslegacy3332 4 роки тому

    I bought a Chinese replacement airbox for my 1PE40 minarelli as well. It had the small pipe on it and I found that sanding around the hole with coarse sandpaper was enough to open the hole up to take the original larger pipe - mainly because the plastic isn't that solid. I found that going around the hole in a complete circle with the sandpaper gave me a very even result that sealed nicely on the original pipe.

  • @kayone8571
    @kayone8571 2 роки тому

    I love this guy

  • @djmorenofigueres
    @djmorenofigueres 2 роки тому

    hello, good video, a question for spanish followers, the polaris 90 airbox, is bigger than the yamaha artirstic ? or same size the box
    thanks y love your chanel , sorry for my english im spanish

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  2 роки тому

      The Polaris 90 box is the same size as the typical 49cc airboxes. They tend to have the larger style of carb connection, so they're good if you are looking for that.

    • @djmorenofigueres
      @djmorenofigueres 2 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot ok perfect , thanksss

    • @djmorenofigueres
      @djmorenofigueres 2 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot hola amigo tienes facebook para una consulta ? Se lo agradecería mucho ,
      hello friend do you have facebook for a consultation? With the mvt dd rotor
      I would be very grateful , Thanks

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  2 роки тому

      @@djmorenofigueres I check UA-cam much more than facebook... really don't use it.

    • @djmorenofigueres
      @djmorenofigueres 2 роки тому

      @@49ccscootOkk no problem thankss

  • @kayone8571
    @kayone8571 2 роки тому

    Hi mate have you got any links for that hose to airbox

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  2 роки тому +1

      I got it from McMaster-Carr under vacuum hose.

    • @kayone8571
      @kayone8571 2 роки тому +1

      @@49ccscoot thanks mate

    • @kayone8571
      @kayone8571 2 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot

    • @kayone8571
      @kayone8571 2 роки тому

      What size mate it’s 19 ml carb and aerox air box I have your mod already from rear Pulll

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  2 роки тому

      @@kayone8571 Measure the carb where the hose will go. If you can match that up when modifying the airbox, then get a hose of that ID.

  • @cerpow
    @cerpow 3 роки тому

    This was great! Thank you for doing these videos

  • @itaizrihan5701
    @itaizrihan5701 4 роки тому

    hi, i drove a full day without air filter and now engine wont start, what do u think happend?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      Do a compression test and see if it's low. Could have damaged something from being lean and hot or possibly sucked something into the engine that caused damage.

    • @itaizrihan5701
      @itaizrihan5701 4 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot the piston got broken so does the rings, im afraid something fell into the botom engine

  • @Skipp3rBuds
    @Skipp3rBuds 4 роки тому

    For putting the pipe into the airbox why not just put a torch to it and slowly press it through?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      That would probably work as well.

  • @isdeekelis
    @isdeekelis 4 роки тому

    How about hose length influence to performance (air waves, harmonics etc.)? Or is it only valve to carb length which is important?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      You would primarily worry about the carb to valve. I'm not going to say that the airbox doesn't matter. There's a lot of science in some modern airboxes. The volume and the snorkel are other common tuning points. I think when you look at what most of us use, which aren't tailored to our engines, this isn't going to change a lot.

  • @jayscott489
    @jayscott489 4 роки тому

    would this be quieter than a pod filter?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +1

      Quite a bit.

    • @jayscott489
      @jayscott489 4 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot OK thanks....where did you get the coupler?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      @@jayscott489 Plumbing section of a hardware store.

  • @dongerramarco9617
    @dongerramarco9617 4 роки тому

    genius

  • @neiligwrx_crystalblack6280
    @neiligwrx_crystalblack6280 4 роки тому

    Sir you have a any use parts are forsale

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      Not really. I don't go through a lot of parts... or if I do they are usually no good when I'm done with them. Sorry.

  • @DeamRules
    @DeamRules 3 роки тому

    hey there! awesome work!!
    im struggling on my SR50 atm. got a dellorto VHST 24mm carb mounted forwards and was using a flextube with an airbox.
    this flextube >> www.scooter-attack.com/de/kaufen/ansaugschlauch-flextube-sandtler-50mm-glasfasergewebe-mit-federstahlspirale-1-meter-63138

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  3 роки тому +2

      I used a very robust tubing with mine, largely for reliability concerns. It's thick rubber and strong steel reinforcement. That said, I wouldn't expect it to deal with enough vacuum to distort even more flimsy tubing. I wonder if that could mean your airbox or tubing is otherwise too restrictive.

  • @tomdesign3919
    @tomdesign3919 4 роки тому

    Hi! What carb do you have?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      25mm DellOrto PHBL

    • @tomdesign3919
      @tomdesign3919 4 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot You don't think about to get a bigger carb? 28 or 30?

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому +1

      @@tomdesign3919 I was thinking about it... and then I got stuck at home so I don't really care ATM. Started a new project till it's OK to joyride.

    • @tomdesign3919
      @tomdesign3919 4 роки тому

      @@49ccscoot It's okay! Keep up! I want to build one too but in AM6! And your little video season is help me a lot!

  • @fuckingpippaman
    @fuckingpippaman 4 роки тому +1

    Do you know you can just weld that airbox plastic? Its PP, just use a stronger solder pen and you can make any modification you want eg. new brackets!

    • @49ccscoot
      @49ccscoot  4 роки тому

      So I hear. I've tried before on other parts and apparently plastic welding is not my thing.