Ranking the Villains | The Scooby-Doo Show | Season 1 Part 3
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- The next two episodes of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' take a literary bent as they both feature monsters from North American and British folklore.
Okay, maybe it's not fair to classify Merlin as a "monster", unless you stop and think about what he did to poor Igraine in John Boorman's 'Excalibur' (1981).
Nicole Williamson was great in that film, wasn't he?
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What did the Headless Horseman say before leaving the party?
"Well, I'll beheading off then."
ba-dum TISH....!
Other than the part of Ichabod never having kids in the original story, I actually think that the part of him having a teenage great-great grandchild in the 1970s checks out a lot more likely than you might think. Between the number of children who wouldn't make it to adulthood and the amount of times someone might end up widowed, and then remarried at a still relatively young age, some people continued to have kids later than life. For example, President Tyler was born in 1790, and he actually has 1 currently living grandson. Tyler's youngest child was born in 1860, when he was 70 years old 🤷♂️
Lest we forget that the implications of Ichabod’s survival of Brom Bones’ ultimate prank could be a mystery in of itself; like he could be moving to a different country under a different name, and got married there, while his descendants moved back to America after he died; since the original story did allow the audience to draw to their own conclusions.
Oh, I know plenty of people had children at advanced ages, but I was going for the "norm". While it is possible for someone to have kids in their 70s, we can't all be Al Pacino!
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@@JoeGoesOver As stated, it’s very likely Ichabod Crane would’ve survived Brom’s prank and immigrated to a different country under a new name; and given that his descendant doesn’t know what happened to him, we could chalk this up to Ichabod sharing a secret with his first born, so that no one else should know. Besides, even though the novella didn’t have Ichabod receive any children, this is because Irving wanted us to draw our own conclusion. But yeah, it’s very contradictory that they say Ichabod is someone’s GGG-Grandfather, when even she doesn’t know how he survived.
There's also a possibility that Ichabod fled from the fake Horseman, AKA Bram Bones, had a wife and kids, moved back to Sleepy Hollow... and then encountered the REAL Headless Horseman.
Makes sense. But if you want a more wild example, in the Bible, we have people like Abraham, who had his only son Issac when he and his wife were literally 99 years old. And according to the Bible, humans at the time could live up to at least 900 years old, with Noah dying somewhere in his 500s. So yeah, while it is rare for humans now to live that long, I could still see it plausibly happening, especially in a universe like Scooby Doo where immortality is a prominent part of the lore established in the episodes.
I still think it's nuts how the story of the Headless horseman is basically cannon in the Scooby Doo universe
'Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?' established that Dr. Jekyll was real, too!
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@@JoeGoesOver Oh yeah, so it did 🤣
Did that rich lady really send her butler out on foot alone on a foggy night with a headless horseman on the loose? Someone’s getting her soup spit in tonight.
Ol' Gertrude seems like one of the 'good ones', but yeah, the wealthy really do treat 'the Help' like that sometimes.
Maybe Tarloff didn't wash his hands because he WANTED powdery fingerprints all over the Madam's upholstery?
Then again, he'd also be the one cleaning it up, so...
For the headless horseman thing, mending media does point out Ichabod is never said to be killed, and he could’ve escaped to justify him having descendants and for them to be taking place at sleepy Hollow. They could’ve just moved back first technically at the time sleepy hollow didn’t actually exist. They actually changed the name after this episode, at least the next part of episodes are more unique to a lot of things are repeated mostly because I think the crew is trying to re-capture the magic of the first show say what you Will with a First Scrapy show at least most of the time, at least one part was original
There's always a chance for ol' Ichabod to have escaped and returned to town, but going by what Beth says in the episode, he was never heard from again. And if he was, in fact, the famous Ichabod Crane from Irving's story, he was childless.
If the episode was longer, they could have had the Horseman terrorizing Beth's family, which might not have been named "Crane", but given a different name like "Jones". There could have been an act two reveal that they were Ichabod's descendants after he left Sleepy Hollow and started a new life under an assumed name, only for the curse to find his family two hundred years later.
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@@JoeGoesOver I have mentioned before that the novella lets us draw our own conclusion on what happened to Ichabod, but how could Hanna-Barbera not take the time to give us that as a surprising plot twist to an already confusing decision?
It would’ve been funny if a descendant of Abraham Van Brunt (AKA Brom Bones) was the cop who came to take the villain away, (and present to the woman appalled that her cousin would betray her), and that the costume made him think that it was a role reversal of the prank that Brom had done: "Brom never intended to kill Ichabod, but he definitely gave that goof the ultimate scary prank to ever happen that night. Brom used the Headless Horseman, who was a relative of the Van Brunt family, to much great effect that Ichabod would end up fleeing to Britain." It would be the girl’s mother, who decided to return home with her child, would bring up this legend, and would be the reason why she is a bit confused about Ichabod’s existence. Surely, Hanna-Barbera would’ve taken their time to resolve that plothole by introducing another descendant character. But like you said, Hanna-Barbera being the company that it is, doesn't think much of their own continuity.
24:00 i've just gotta say there's another way Dum can be both brother and cousin if Scooby's family works like humans. Scooby and Dum can be cousins on Doo's mum's side, Mum and Father are divorced/never married, and father marries Dum's parent = Dum is now Doo's cousin by mum & (step)brother by father
It's funny you say that because I had a similar situation in my own family whereby my mother's brother married my father's sister.
Zero blood relation and they actually met by coincidence and not at a family gathering or anything, but still... weird.
It's okay, though. Everyone is divorced now.
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Xanatos had the Gargoyles castle moved to NYC. Why? "Just on a whim."
The very wealthy sure do have a lot more leeway when it comes to enacting their "whims", don't they?
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I mean, this is also Xanatos we're talking about here.
By the looks of it Shaggy's family likes to keep it in the family if you know what I mean😂
Yeah, about the only time I've seen more obvious "keeping it in the family" has been Jughead Jones' parents from the 1970s era of the comics.
"50 Shades of Grey DeLisle" - ha! 😆
Great review, Joe! I'm not surprised that the villains didn't score as highly as in the previous episodes from this series, though I did enjoy the episodes themselves (particularly the one with the Headless Horseman).
Thank you very much! I got a kick out of that one, too. Everyone should be allowed to laugh at their own stuff at least once without coming across as TOO narcissistic.
I was worried a bit about this one as I don't want to give anyone the impression these episodes were bad when they absolutely were not.
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My favorite scene on Tim Burton Sleepy Hollow is when Christopher Walken told the little girl to be quiet and she purposely broke that stick in two. Making quite the audible noise.
I wonder if "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" is the reason why you don't see many men walking around with the name "Icabod".
Probably the Disney version.
They made their version look like Eddie Deezen mated with Michael Cera.
@@JoeGoesOver Probably to illustrate what he was described in the novella, being tall, lanky, and having small head with a snipe nose. Say what you will about Disney’s depiction, you just can’t deny that whenever people think of Ichabod, they think of that design.
@@robbiewalker2831 And that's the case with a lot of other characters they used. Snow White, Cinderella, the Evil Queen, Captain Hook... the list goes on.
As always, you've delivered a great video once again!
I think the ballparked "Maximum" age of having a child you gave to be a bit young, given that the 10th US President, John Tyler (1790-1862) , has a living grandson, which is just INSANE to think about. John Tyler had his son Lyon (1853-1935) at 72, and Lyon had his son Harrison (b. 1928) at 75. Granted, none of this changes the analysis, it was just a piece of trivia I thought was somewhat relevant and interesting.
Looking forward to the next episode and beyond!
Hah! You're the second person to point out John Tyler's living grandson!
It's amazing to see my channel attracting so many Presidential scholars!
As I mentioned in the other comment, I was going for more of a "norm" when it comes to average ages, but acknowledging the potential outliers.
We can't all be Robert DeNiro!
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@@JoeGoesOver We can’t all be Abraham either… He and Sarah had Issac when Abraham was 100.
Excellent video, Joe! As an aspiring mystery writer, I always love the fact nuggets I get from these so my villains can be JUST a little bit smarter. The Merlin one is absolutely one of my favorites. I always appreciate who dark hypnotizing Shaggy and Scooby being hypnotized to kill the others we’re and how much they pissed Zarko off XD
I do laugh whenever a villain gets extremely frustrated with Shaggy and Scooby's shenanigans. There was a lot of that in 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!' if my memory isn't just misfiring brain mush.
I think the best way to make a bad guy smart is to write them as a real person, acting as a real person acts. That's been one of the driving forces behind my videos. I'll be watching an episode and suddenly a character will do or say something and I'm like, "Wait a minute."
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I couldn’t help but laugh when you started picking apart the Scooby doo + dumb costume
I'm happy for that reaction!
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All ways a amazing day when you post can't wait to watch the whole video so i can discuss it
Yes! Literally these videos can turn my day around :)
Thank you very much!
I'm always excited to get one uploaded, despite the nervous wreck the UA-cam copyright process puts me through every single time.
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Merlin the Welsh druid 🧙♂️
41:19: Ignoring that Zarko is the only suspect to know the Dog talks, are you sure that Merlin doesn’t have the power to understand animals? Although Merlin was not given any animals, since Familiars were not a thing back in medieval times, T.H. White, the author of “The Sword in the Stone”, was responsible for Merlin owning an Owl. White was a schoolteacher, and treats his depiction of the Wizard as a self-insert; he included an Owl, because White had a collection of birds. Unlike Mindy Khaling self-inserting herself as Velma just to grab people’s attention with her cynicism, T.H. White self-inserting himself as Merlin did give the guidance needed for both Arthur and the reader, as the authoritarian feel of having a wiser person as your schoolteacher did help Merlin as a character.
Long story short, it’s not a Disney original element, but Merlin talking to Animals definitely helped the villain stay in character.
Of course a man named Shagworthy has a dungeon, kinky old man.
"Oh, behaaaave."
And now I must drown myself in shame for having used a tired old Austin Powers reference.
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@@JoeGoesOver You and I would get along, hahaha!
Yeah they ran out of there as if breathing was going to be declared illegal any minute.
My father used to say that I ate too fast. "You eat like food is gonna be declared illegal at any moment!"
I had 3 brothers and two sisters. I ate fast so there was a better chance of me getting seconds!
Elwood was too proud to ask for a loan, but not too proud to stoop to robbing his own aunt who loved him so dearly?
I mean, to be fair, he did have the chance of inheriting it eventually, so maybe he justified it to himself that he was just cashing in on it earlier than expected.
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Maybe Elwood should have asked Jake to get the band back together to raise the money.
Fun fact: The Headless Horseman was one of the monsters who was removed from Monsters Unleashed because of budget cuts. He was going to joust against Fred but was replaced with the Black Knight, that's why the Black Knight has a horse that wasn't part of his exhibit or the original episode.
It's a pity that the live action Scooby films came early in James Gunn's career and before he had enough clout to pursue his ideas fully!
It'd be interesting to see him to take another crack at the Scooby franchise, this time not only as the writer but director as well.
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Your explanation for Elwood Crane’s operation leaving behind the newspaper clipping explains why Shaggy was so surprised when he learned he found the biggest piece of evidence for the crime. The way he says “I did?” gets me for how powerful it is. Casey Kasem delivered a 2 second performance better than the entirety of Ewan McGregor’s performance as Obi-Wan Kenobi in the entire Star Wars prequel era with just that line alone..
Damn!
SOMEBODY is not a fan of the "Hello, there!" meme!
@@JoeGoesOver, actually, I do like Ewan McGregor’s Obi-Wan. I just meant that the line Shaggy delivered was Oscar worthy. Also, about that meme, I grew up with the prequel films, and quite frankly, I never actually paid attention to the dialogue in the movies. I had been a fan of Star Wars The Clone Wars, so I was too traumatized by the Jedi dying and Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader to really understand anything about what was being said in the movies. I hadn’t known at the time that the dialogue was even memed at all..
Hey Joe! Organist here, its actually a common ting to get a finger stuck between organ keys, espescially if its a particularly old one, the are more like levers in comparison to a piano which tends to be looser and more like stairs. But I completely understand how it can seem very rare to happen, which it usually is if the organ is maintained well, but it does happen :D even on some pianos. Love the Channel btw!
Thank you very much for the nice comments as well as the insight from an actual musician.
To be fair, I am more familiar with piano and synth keyboards, but sounds like I might owe Daphne a bit of an apology for my contempt for her clumsiness in this instance.
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53:42: Reference to what the discussion is, to those who don’t understand the context.
thanks rob :D@@robbiewalker2831
Headless horseman... one of my favorites as a kid... also scared me a lot
He was creepy enough, I'll grant you that. Just, sadly, not super original.
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Yes Darth Vader you are the father😮😮😮
Too bad 'The Jerry Springer Show' never had Darth Vader and Luke on the show doing a "You are/are not the father" skit!
Who's that coming down the street are those shovels are are they feet. Its Ichabod,Ichabod Crane.
I think that its possible that Dum and Scooby could be brothers and cousins at the same time. Sooby's mum could of been mother to both, and their fathers could be brothers. Which would explain why Dum and Scooby are said to be both brothers and cousins without the messy incest problem.
Maybe it avoids the messy incest problem, but it still sounds like awkward Thanksgiving dinners at the Doo family table!
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47:50 Okay, new watcher here, so I don't know if you've discussed it before, but there is a popular fan theory that Shaggy is actually a magic user, or at least has ties to the supernatural.
One of the biggest things supporting it, being that his dog, Scooby, is supernatural in some canons of the series, another being that Shaggy (and by extension Scooby) is the member of the gang who most consistently encounters the supernatural, including the movie where Shaggy was chosen to become the next werewolf driver in a supernatural race.
Since it really makes no sense for the bad guys to give one of their victims a sandwich or drink of water (unless it's poisoned), this could be cases of Shaggy manifesting his own magic by accident. I will at least promote the water being legit supernatural, as the first episode established that black magic is real, and that Shaggy is capable of using it
I haven't (to the best of my recollection), but I could easily see how a theory like that would gain a following.
There's a hilarious moment in 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo' when Daphne is accused of being a witch and Shaggy quite logically points out that if anyone should be considered using magic it'd be a guy who could instantly eat a couple dozen pies and his talking dog.
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Hell yeah, another part! I love this series so much! Scooby-Doo is one of my special interests and it got me into horror genre in the first place! Keep up the good work!
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Part 04 is currently in the writing stage!
The Headless Horseman was one of my favorite icons. Both the Disney short, and the original story were very suspenseful and delivered a payoff. So this episode was certainly one of my favorites. As it did feel a bit dark in terms of story.
Any time decapitation is an element to a story, ANY story, there is going to be at least a little bit of darkness attached.
Even if it's Winnie the Pooh.
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I laughed way harder than I probably should've when you used Hobby Lobby as a visual representation for your statement at 9:50. 😂😂
They're my go-to example of shady art dealers.
It never gets old for me.
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Marie Antoinette had a nightmare jewel necklace
I remember as a wide-eyed child being fascinated by the idea of a cursed jewel like the Hope Diamond.
Sadly, cynical old adult me can never feel that way again.
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I like the plotline of transporting a castle because it implies there couldn't be a castle in America. Only Europeans are allowed to be haunted?
Unfortunately in the real-life United States, only the worst people tend to own castles.
In the end, there's nothing wrong with the idea of a transported castle, but it's just highly, highly unlikely.
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So I gather Joe’s Enemies List includes Hobby Lobby, 3M, and Carl the stuntman.
I'm not too fond of whoever invented Captcha, either.
I wonder on the necklace heist for the Headless Horseman. He could have tried to fence the actual necklace however there is the other option if breaking it down and selling it as materials. The same issue of potentially losing profit doing that persists, but possibly easier to fence. Of course then he would have to answer where he got three huge diamonds from but maybe whichever country he was absconding to wouldn't ask as stern questions
That's the hazard of jewel theft.
That, and running into a bumbling detective who will still find a way to screw up your scheme!
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The newspaper clipping was probably cut out and buried earlier so his cousin wouldn't see it in the paper which is why she didn't know his company was bankrupt. Explaing her not knowing and why it was cut out and buried. Or at least cut out and then buried when he left the key behind.
Also, if you consider every show it's own universe shouldn't originality be only based on that show instead of whole series? Just a thought but not one I care enough about to affect anything. But the villains wouldn't know about previous villains, only the real world producers, etc. But I'm nitpicking but did cross my mind.
Great video as always though!
Thank you very much for your kind words!
Basing the originality of a villain on their single interpretation and the franchise as a whole is a question I've had pop up several times in the comments. This is one of those fourth-wall breaking moments from the standpoint that the ONLY way to judge how unique a costume or scheme is looking at the Scooby-Dooniverse in its entirety up to that point in the chronology. Otherwise, EVERY costume would be considered original because every villain and every series would technically be the first time the Gang ran across something like that. In many respects, the villain ranking is a combination of judging the motivations and actions of the fictional bad guy as well as the writers and producers who created them in the first place.
Im a bit surprised how little time was spend on the fact that he literally showed his face. Like I can make a case that this is even worse then what Carl the stuntman did
Ol' cousin Elwood wasn't the thickest branch in the Crane Family Tree, that's for certain.
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39:30 I just assume all millionaires secretly have dungeons under their houses
I, too, pretty much think 'Eyes Wide Shut' is probably more a documentary than anything else.
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Crane was spotted in NYC married with kids.
I should be studying for exams for tomorrow rn. BUUUUUUUUUUUT when you post WE MUST WATCH.
I hope you did well! And if not, there's always next time!
Provided, you know, I don't coincidentally post another distraction the night before your next exam.
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The Headless Horseman is one of my all-time favorite monsters! As for this show, the episode I remember watching the most was "The No Faced Zombie Chase Case", as my friend owned a VHS with that episode on it and we watched it a lot. Man, just wait till we get to "To Switch a Witch". Seriously, I'm surprised Arlene's reaction to having a long-lost sister was so restrained. It's almost like she didn't care. Seriously, how would you feel if you had a long-lost brother or sister and they were a criminal? Wouldn't you at least try to bond with them, even if they go to jail? Sorry, just trying to help give you material. LOL
It was never even explained how Arlene never even knew she had a twin. It would have been nice to have a line thrown in that one baby was kidnapped or sold or something.
@@MegaMagicdogI mean, discovering you had a sibling would be a huge curveball to your previously known life! Yet they just shrug it off after she is arrested. Damn, that was heartless.
As much as Space Kook frightened me as a child, the No-Face Zombie was right up there, too, when it came to instilling existential dread, like something out of a Harlan Ellison story.
He'll be shambling onto the stage in my next video!
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@@JoeGoesOver You're welcome. Oh, and remember what I said about the Witch Switch!
Even though I've seen most of the Scooby episodes as a kid, going through them now for the first time decades [ACE DECADE] later, they're often extremely fresh in my head.
We'll have to wait and see what my impression will be when getting to the witch!
Another hour long video! We have been blessed. I always love how in depth you go into each video. Great work as usual Joe! Hope you have a lovely christmas.
Thank you very much for the nice comments! I hope your holidays are good as well!
Still waiting for a few packages for my wife to arrive so I can poorly wrap them. The best part of her having been born in January is if they don't arrive in time, my shopping is done for her birthday as well.
In Sleepy Hollow it is speculated that he married a wealthy widow in the next town over, though it is never verified. So it is possible for him to have children or at least step children.
Why was a parachute lying on the floor? Maybe to keep the apple company.
Fred's lucky Shaggy didn't eat it.
Zarko why did Zarko not just hypnotize Shagworthy to tell you where the Jules were.................................................
you know this hypnotism thing gets
especially in Pirates Ahoy, you would not need to commit any crimes well not in the Scooby-Doo way
just find someone rich as hell and get them to give a small amount to said rich person amount of cash have them forget this interaction and just do that a 100 or so times
stilling would still be stilling but if it's a crime people don't end up noticing kind of hard to get caught now, isn't it.
That's a very good point. Why DIDN'T Zarko just mesmerize his victim to give up the goods?
I wish I'd have made that point in my video. Damn!
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I'd like to point out that zarko's scheme was even dumber, cuz all they had to do was hypnotize shagworthy into giving them the jewels, then forgetting that they ever existed!
Headless Horseman of Halloween stuck with me as a child. I've obsessed with the Legend of Sleepy Hollow ever since.
It only takes one moment as a child to direct so much of the rest of your life!
My grandmother bought me an audio cassette of an American radio play version of 'The Hobbit' when I was almost a teenager, and that led to a lifetime of Tolkien fandom.
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I found it amusing how Elwood ran up and got in Fred’s face at the end. Like he was going to throw down but then thought better of it. I don’t blame him. I too am a tubby middle aged man who knows his limitations.
A lesson so many angry Boomers have never learned, if Reddit has taught me anything!
I covet the life that the Scooby gang live, with all the friends, family and parties! Fred is about the same age as my Dad and I think this is what he and his friends got up to before I came along...lol Great synopsis and even though Merlin hypnotizing Shaggy and Scooby was super mean, I love their evil giggles :)
Evil Shaggy and Scooby were definitely a highlight of the episode!
I also covet the Gang's lives as well. Who could say no to being a permanent teenagers with countless uncles just waiting to kick the bucket and leave you a mansion or small fortune!?
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2:36: To me, it feels like Casey Kasem read horseman like “horsemin”, but Don Knotts said “What happened to their heads”, leading to the animation throwing in a second horseman to make the joke work, which only made things worse.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that was the case, but knowing Hanna-Barbera, they'd do whatever was cheaper. I don't think it's likely they'd change the animation to reflect a voiceover mistake, because that'd require using a photocopier for a dozen cels.
Or just reuse the same cels to fool the audience into thinking they made a second row of cels, when really, the cels weren’t robotically in unison (ie having the exact same frame).
The headless horseman ghost 👻 was in a episode of the real Ghostbusters series also
It's likely every series that delves into the spooky will feature him at some point.
Dullahans are an established Irish folklore element, after all!
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Awesome, I've been waiting for this. Thank you man
Happy to oblige and happy for the nice comments!
I don't remember watching each of these episodes. I might need to rewatch this show whenever I get the chance.
That said, awesome episode as usual. Can't wait for the next video.
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I'm almost halfway through writing the next script!
Of course, I'm sitting here rewatching your old videos and you post a new one! 🤣
I appreciate it!
And I appreciate the comment as well!
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Another great video very entertaining very funny thank you for making me laugh if if you don’t upload during the Christmas holidays I wanna wish you and your family a merry Christmas and a happy new year and And I can’t wait to see more of your Contant and 2024 God bless
Well, thank you for the nice words and warm wishes! I'll probably still be uploading at the rate I'm going now, which means likely one more video before or close to Christmas (but it's not a special episode or anything like that).
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9:30 If you're clever, it's not as limiting as it seems. One solution would be to hide it in plain sight. Using your Mona Lisa example, before you acquire the portrait, you have an exact duplicate hung in your house made by a talented artist. You explain that since you can never own the original, a near perfect duplicate will have to do. Then, when you have the original, you swap it for the fake, and people would never know.
The danger, though, would be if authorities investigating very realistic fakes learned about another realistic "fake" hanging in the home of a private collector. They might show up asking questions as to where that collector obtained the artwork.
While this may not immediately point to anyone's guilt, it's never a good idea for a criminal to be on police radar.
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Scooby Dum is my favorite Scooby character.
I admit liking him as a child, probably because of how unique it felt having another member of the Scooby family.
As an adult... eh, he's not exactly my favorite.
I've never been overly fond of "dumb" comic relief characters.
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Thank you Joe! Needed this for finals week🫶🏻
Happy to help relieve some of the pressure, if even just a smidge.
Good luck with them!
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How high is the counter of the Scooby-gang having wealthy or rich relatives anyways? With there being so much money floating around in those families, I guess that explains how they finance their mystery solving exploits, beyond doing a few jobs here and there. Incidentally, this also makes any kidnapping plot of any villain even more foolish, because those families and wealthy relatives would probably be a great incentive for any law enforcement to care, making em get right on that case. Heck, I'm surprised none of the villains schemes have revolved around kidnapping one or more of the meddling kids after luring them in with seeming supernatural shenanigans and then demanding a ransom for their safe return from their extreme entourage of rich relatives.
That would make a very good premise for an episode or a DTV release!
Granted, 'Frankencreepy' had elements of that, but not for potential ransom demands.
I think Velma may be the only one in the Gang who didn't seem to come from wealth, but that may be because I'm forgetting a potential rich relative.
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@@JoeGoesOver I could already see how any villains who did their research would then exclude Velma from their plot, only to end up royally shooting themselves in the foot with leaving her to roam about because out of the whole bunch she is probably the most dangerous to any villains schemes.
Incidentally, I would also really like seeing an episode/DTV where Velma needs to save the day all on her own after this sort of scheme unfolds. If done right, it would be both thrilling and entertaining, plus allow for some examination of the group dynamics of the gang. IE - Why Velma doesn't just solo everything, and the other members do contribute in their own ways. Plus, shine a light on the whole "most of them come from big money families" angle.
There was an episode of 'Mystery Incorporated' where Velma called the villain at the very beginning, but the rest of the Gang didn't take her seriously.
You know, I'm actually kind of surprised. I googled "50 shades of Shaggy" and didn't get much.
I know without looking there has to be a glut of Shaggy Rule 34 out there.
Not nearly as much as Velma and Daphne, but there has still got to be a TON of it.
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26:40 Shame Fred Flintstone didn't get that message
Fred Flintstone is a TANK.
The dude could survive an armored car falling on his head!
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I will say that I disagree a bit on the Outfit score. Now calling the disguise the "Ghost of Merlin" is a bit weird since it's not much of a ghost, but it is actually somewhat unique because even though magic-using monsters have been used, this is the first time an archetypal wizard has been used. I also think that the menacing voice and stare of Merlin makes him quite intimidating. The Black Knight is definitely unoriginal, but reasonably scary on a Scooby-Doo level in my opinion.
I think Merlin just doesn't instill any fear in me because I've seen enough older guys who look like him that I'd be more afraid of getting within range of their stinky coffee breath than a magic wand.
That's why I won't grow a beard. Well, THAT, and all white in my facial hair makes me look five years older.
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As usual I'm here. Keep up the good work Joe.❤
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The next script is close to halfway completed!
I just finished the three sessions of Scooby-Doo show, and I have to agree what you keep saying about shaggy he is bad pet owner. Which I have a theory about scrappy-doo but I wouldn't explain until you going ranking the live action movies villains.
Well nobody is surprised to see me commenting on these videos anymore
Space Kook 5.0
Green Ghosts 4.3
Captain Cutler 4.3
10,000 Volt Ghost 4.2
Ghost Clown 4.2
Snow Ghost 4.0
Ghost of the Red Baron 4.0
Spirit of Fireball McPhan 4.0
Ghost of King Katazuma and Aztec Statue Monster 3.8
Wax Phantom 3.8
Simone and Lena 3.7
Green Globs 3.7
Shark Men 3.3
Mr. Hyde etc. 3.3
Headless Spector 3.2
Witch and Zombie 3.2
Gator Ghoul 3.2
Specter of Ebenezer Crabbe and Ghost of Nettie Crabbe 3.2
Scarecrow 3.2
Caveman 3.0
Werewolf 3.0
Paul Revere, Minuteman, and Redcoat Ghost 3.0
Charlie the Robot 3.0
Captain Moody’s Ghosts 2.8
Ghost of Mr. Hyde 2.8
Haunted Horseman and Moat Monster 2.8
Gunslinger and Native American Chief 2.7
Viking and Davy Crockett 2.7
Hooded Ghosts 2.7
Merlin and The Black Knight 2.5
Ghost of Redbeard 2.5
Witch Doctor 2.5
Miner 49er 2.5
Abdullah and Jadal 2.5
Puppet Master 2.5
Mummy of Ankha 2.3
Phantom 2.3
Ghostly Strongman 2.3
Ghost of Elias Kingston 2.3
Black Knight 2.2
Big Bob Oakley’s monsters 2.2
Ghost of redbeard II 2.2
Headless Horseman 2.0
Gargoyle/phantoms 2.0
Ghost of Bigfoot 2.0
Skeleton man 1.8
Ghost of Captain Scavenger and I______ Joe 1.8
Zen Tuo 1.8
Chumley’s monsters 1.8
Windmakers 1.7
Joker Penguin and hooded man 1.7
Dryad and Troll 1.5
Fake housekeepers 1.5
Creeper 1.5
Indian witch doctor 1.3
Phony phantom 1.0
And of corse f*cking Carl the stuntman
Ape man 1.0
To make this more interesting here is the doo score for all the seasons that have been fully covered
Scooby Doo Where Are You Season 1-2.8
Scooby Doo Where Are You Season 2-2.5
The New Scooby Doo Movies Season 1-2.5
The New Scooby Doo Movies Season 2-2.5
You've forgotten the D.O.O. score on the 10.000 Volt Ghost.
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Next time should be fun since we're going to have a brown version of the Ape Man show up. I don't know what kind of score he'll get but I imagine it won't be too hard to outdo Carl the stuntman.
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And you know how much I respect not giving any!
25:42 Shaggy's excuse, according to Robot Chicken, is that he's a sad dogfood eating hippie
There's no spection sadder than introspection.
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Heres a idea maybe the Headless Horseman chopped through most of the pole so it would slowly break as the weight of the pole could no longer support it
Believe it or not, I did give some thought as to how Elwood might have managed to chop down the tree, but in such a way that he would have made it to the party in time as the electric was interrupted.
I saw no way that it could work, though. He wasn't bright enough to remember that the telephone lines were cut when he mentioned phoning the bank manager. I don't think he could have done the math to time the tree fall.
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Headless horseman shows up in scooby-doo and other show as well
I'm going chronologically through the franchise so far, so future appearances will probably be discussed when I reach them.
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Can we add breaking into graves to the Mystery inc. crime spree?
Yeah, a part of me always wondered, "What would you have done, Fred, if you DID manage to pry open that crypt?"
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1:53 Interestingly Irving's story was partly inspired by real events. When a headless Hessian body was found after the Battle of White Plains, the Van Tassel family insisted on giving him a proper burial in the local cemetery, in case it was the same soldier who had sheltered their child during a raid and subsequent burning of the family's farm. As you pointed out later the burning of the body definitely comes off as a type-o in the script.
13:09 The animator at least tried to account for how this trick was done. We see here the Horseman is much taller than Shaggy whereas later 13:49 we see Elwood is shorter than him. Or it's just a coincidental mistake. Always hard to tell with Hannah-Barbera.
Hah! You are giving the animators much, much, much more credit that I would have!
Anytime they do something that explains a possible plot hole or inconsistency, I generally chalk up as a coincidence on their part.
I love the show and am grateful for their work, but boy, did they cut corners!
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Oh wow id never noticed that they switched Scooby Doo and Scooby Dums heads in the Haunted Horseman episode 😂🤣 Love the headless horseman episode, one of my goto Halloween watches and it really is a well written mystery which is great, just a shame they didn't write the villain a bit better.
I could spend hours just showing all the animation goofs!
But that's not as much fun as showing all the villain scheme goofs!
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24:46 I mean, if we run with the assumption that both Scooby Doo and Dum are purebred great danes, then yeah, them being both cousins and brothers is incredibly likely; purebred dogs are notoriously inbred, making them suffer from plenty of debilitating conditions. And let's not forget that we're introduced to a female cousin, Scooby Dee, in a future episode, that both Doo and Dum have the hots for. I'm just saying, be whether you're looking for an in-universe reason or following real-world logic, Scooby's family probably have their roots in Alabama
It's almost criminal what breeders have done to the canine species over the years.
My poor dog is a beagle and pug mix and she has her fair share of snotty breathing moments due to how messed up a pug's nasal cavity is.
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Don’t call me Shirley
The cockpit? What is it?
It's the little room at the front of the plane where the pilots sit, but that's not important right now.
I could say that the version of the Legend of Sleepy Hollow went different in the Scooby-Verse
Meaning Mr Crane/Krane (?) Could very well have a Family Lineage that doesn't Exist in the Original story
Very true.
As with all fiction, technically there's nothing to stop them from living in the same reality.
Well, apart from lawyers, I suppose.
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I remember liking the headless horseman episode but I was never able to take Merlin seriously as a kid because I always thought his stupid hat lookes more like a birthday party hat than a wizard's hat.
It's going to take a while to get to him but my favorite monster from this series was always the Rambling Ghost. I don't think he'll get a good score though. I don't know why exactly but something about him screamed "low-scoring villain" to me when I was rewatching that episode recently.
I totally see the birthday hat thing. Not as bad as a Burger King paper crown, though.
We'll have to see for the guy you mentioned. Just on a cursory glance, though, it doesn't help that "sports star ghost" has already been done before.
50 Shades of grey for the best case scenario! Just saying we don't wanna check out elon's dungeon there's more reasons why he has all those horses! Also never underestimate the fact of owing money to Felix Faust although I think Felix would be upset that you dressed up as the guy who actually taught him magic and insulted him?
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that a certain pale billionaire with a penchant for trolling has a "basement".
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11:02: my guess as to why most versions since the Disney version went for the “Jack-0-Lantern” design choice could be because of two things. Internally, the Headless Horseman wanted to have a new head, and the Pumpkin is a temporary replacement, but getting a head also means he needed a face. Externally, a face is needed to help people be familiar with a particular character, even if the Headless Horseman technically doesn’t have a face. People might confuse the Headless Horseman with the Headless Spector, had the Headless Horseman not have a Pumpkin for a head.
36:36: so this design is where Monsters Unleashed got their Black Knight; we even found out later on at 52:46 that this Black Knight can talk, unlike the OG.
37:56: What you said about “complaining about fictional characters”, while talking about Scooby characters in a “renaissance fair”, reminds me of a BCSD episode about a renaissance fair.
43:02: try telling that to Yzma: ua-cam.com/video/_mi_7aGv-p4/v-deo.html
43:45: when talking about this, you would’ve used Disney’s Robin Hood to show Sir Hiss’ hypnotism to sooth Prince John’s insecurity (representing hypnotism used for mental treatment), and Disney’s Aladdin to show the Sultan denying Jafar’s forcefulness in having Jasmine being engaged to the Royal Vizier by responding “but you’re so old” (representing how hypnotism can’t force people to be against their own free will).
46:58: Pictured here: NOT Howard Hughes.
49:36: Ah yes, another ridiculous Scooby-Doo staple: the Bait-and-Switch Double Mask!
54:34: Gotta give SDS Velma some credit, at least she didn’t diss the fans over pre-established canon.
I think you're giving Hanna-Barbera too much credit. My guess is they used a Jack-o-Lantern because that's what everyone else was doing. Frankly, there's a lot to be said about the terror inspired by a faceless monster (see my upcoming video for that).
This version does look more like the one that appeared in the live action film.
That was one of many, many terrific episodes in 'Be Cool, Scooby-Doo'.
To be fair, eventually Jafar's hypnotism against the Sultan looked like it was going to eventually work on him.
But he's better than Señor Spielbergo!
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@@JoeGoesOver oh sure, I’m just sharing my two cents is all. Besides, that was brainwashing when Aladdin found out Jafar was controlling the Sultan.
I used to eat food off the ground
I think we all did before we discovered germ theory.
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I respect your insight and evaluation. But I always enjoyed the Merlin episode, watching Scooby and Shaggy try to be evil
That was fun to see.
And I did try to emphasize that a bad villain doesn't make the episode bad.
So far, none of 'The Scooby-Doo Show' has been painful to watch.
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Also what was the pumpkin that Elwood was wearing was glowing and you can’t really wear a jack-o’-lantern sooo
I could see someone wearing a Jack-o-Lantern if they have the inside lined with a mirror or reflective lighting for the glowing effect. When pulling the "head" off to toss it, though, they'd have to somehow have their real one tucked into their shirt.
6:36 Where did Daphne's mouth go? lmao
There were fewer bad bits like this so far in 'The Scooby-Doo Show' compared to 'The New Scooby-Doo Movies', but they certainly exist!
Since the stories are better and the episodes have been more entertaining, I'm less inclined to point them out, unless I find it particularly egregious or amusing.
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Yeah I was asking myself the same question like how could Ichabod Crane have grandchildren if he was never married or even had kids to begin with? While he switched the pumpkin for a real head he looks like Michael Myers as his hair is brown instead grey and I guess you know that Ichabod was alright in the Tim Burton movie
I thought Merlin is supposed to be a good guy as he trained King Arthur wouldn’t it make sense that villain of the episode was Morgan Le Fay and remember in the previous video I think they should have used a Red knight or Green knight instead of a black one, doesn’t Zarko look like the magician in the Really Rottons?
You mentioning Carl the Stuntman get ready for the next one.
He does look like him!!
@@MegaMagicdog which one Elwood or Zarko?
@@srstriker6420 Zarko looks klike the same design as the magician for the Really Rottens (Laff a Lympics).
@@MegaMagicdog exactly
Hanna-Barbera animators didn't seem to stretch their talents that much when it came to designing single-episode characters, which is why so many of their villains had mustaches and pointy beards, or how every butler seemed to recall Lurch from the Addams Family.
While Merlin is generally treated as a good guy in pop culture, that hasn't always been the case. Even some of his "good guy" portrayals featured moments that some would consider evil.
So what scooby doo billain defeats do you think would probably off the villain? Personally the invisible madman's wpuld probably send him to the morgue
That's hard to pin down because some of Fred's traps over the years would have proved fatal without cartoon physics.
@@JoeGoesOver oh yeah I know so how about favorite
The next episode I'm working on features a bad guy "capture" that brutally shows what should happen to a large portion of Scooby villains at the end of the episode; if not my "favorite", it would definitely rank up there.
@@JoeGoesOver ah I see
In defense of the merlin Costume not being scary You could Technically argue this is one of the few times the costume doesn't need to be scary in the scooby-doo Franchise. The thing that makes Him Scary is his magic. Now of course they could have made him look more scary. But If we look At the in universe villain. I can understand why he feel that wouldn't be necessary. Since he was able to Disappear And reappeal And summon ghosts. I'm not saying i don't agree with your ranking Because I do agree with it. I'm just saying it makes sense that he doesn't necessarily need to make his costumes scary For him to be able to scar people. Unlike most other villains in the series Just like the ghost from scooby-doo where are you form ep2. The costume wasn't scary but the fact that he could Go through walls And a bunch of other shit is what made him scary. Both of these villains felt like they didn't need to have a scary costume because the effects they had were enough. Once again not disagreeing with you It's just something that does make sense to me on why the villains didn't feel like making the costumes scary.
Let’s not forget that Merlin, at least when it comes to the Arthurian Legend, is usually depicted as a hero character, playing Advisor and Teacher to Arthur, before and after becoming King.
You're not wrong that the costume didn't need to be scary for this particular villain, but I'm trying to remain consistent with my ranking, and one of the elements of what makes a good Scooby bad guy is the scariness of the costume.
Granted, that won't always apply every single time because there are a few variations of the theme, but remaining consistent is my way of trying to avoid as much bias as possible.
Admittedly, I'm not always great at that, but I try!
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yea they didn't burn bodies back in colonial time and last time I checked the head horseman haunts because he is looking for his head or vengeance not because his body was burned, the Mona Lisa thing the only way I can see it being stolen now a days is if a huge organization somehow stole it and replaced it with a really really good counterfeit. Making Merlin a monster is such a weird choice cause he's a good guy it would make more sense to have Mordred or Morgan Le Fey be the monster.
While Merlin has traditionally been depicted as a "good guy", there have been a few adaptations that challenged that viewpoint.
Hell, he was a "good guy" in John Boorman's 'Excalibur' (1981), but still did some terrible things.
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Sad that my statement about no villain getting under 3/5 was immediatly contraddicted, but I predicted it. I am now accostumed enough woth your scale to recognize almost always when a villain is subpar by your criteria, even if I may some details wrong, altough I tought Merlin would have been worst then the headless horseman but that kight just be me lickling him less. The epsiodes where still enjoyable tough as you said, i liked the first one for the mystery aspect, even if it's very easy to guess it's Elwood even if you don’t pick up the clues, and for the second one... is not ny favourite onestly,but it had fun moments like the hypnotism angle. In general the scooby doo show seems more mystery oriented then the previous two series to me, and I really like that, I am a big mystery fan and that's what got me into Scooby Doo in the first place.
Onestly I don't think it's bad that the headless horseman was re used from the Don Knott episode because he is such a famous monster that he deserve to have his own episode instead of just a short campo in an epsiode that it had nothing to do with it. Altough I think he could have been handle a little bit better, like having light or even fire coming out on the pumpkin head, yes that would have made him even closer to the disney interpretation but it would also made him more scary and memorable.At least we can give credit to Elwood for not going the lazy route of just using the pumking as mask and actually showing himself headless, for how unrealistic that might be. The head stealing part was clever and scary on one hand, but on the other if it's not your first scooby dok episode it would basically give away what's going on. And yes I also tought that the guests where a little to easly scared, immagine if it was just a guest that decided to show off his costume in an over the top way.
Fun fact, while I never read the novel, for what I heard it seems that there is an implication that the horseman might not have been real, but rather just Brom Bones, Ichabond's romatic rival, that disguised himself as the horseman to scare him off the town and marry the girl they where competing for. So... Basically he was a Scooby Doo villain, wich makes even more appropriate for that monster to be included here and for those event to have actually happened in the Scooby Doo universe.
Merlin was a bit of a weird choice for a villain. Had he ever been depicted as an antagonist? The episode doesn't ever even address the fact he should be an heroic figure. He even call himself evil has one point.
Is he really considered that iconic? I never saw people talk about him, i personally find him rather plain, bur then again I can't get what people find in Miner 49 and he is definitly iconic, despite being litteraly just an old man. The tricks where cool tough. Hypnotism has been depiced in many media as overriding the victim's will, at least if they don't have strong willpower, and Shaggy and Scooby doesn't seem to have much of that. Immagine if they succeded in killing the gang and then they woke up and find out about it. They would have been scarred forever, that's probably one of the most evil things a villain has tried to do that far, Zarko may not be smart but sure is ruthless.
I think in the Scoobyverse dogs that talks are just a thing that exist and most people are aware of that. Nobody was ever surprised about Scooby Doo and in a later episode we see a cousing of Scooby being an actress so she has to be famous, and when the villain replace her with a new dog she also talks despite no indication of being related to Scooby. And that's without bringing in Mystery Inc's explaination since that's a different continuity. Regardless tought, the clue against Zarko can still hold up since he was sure Scooby Doo could talk even if not all dogs xan even in that universe.
Yes their capture was incredibly umiliating, and I would had that is embarasing for them to almost fall for their own tricks. But the gang is no better: when Daphne got her finger stuck, couldn't they have helped her instead of mocking her? That's one of their qorst moments onestly
I think the clue about the hour makes some sense: Zarko cpuld be the only magician that has his show at that hour and distance and they already had narrowed it down to a magician. Off course it doesn't really matter if they had got it right or no, because at the end they would have find out anyway while unmasking him like most times (they could have not find out Clarence was a mask admitedly, but they would have still sent him to the police and then they would have figured it out. Let's face it, most of the time solving the mystery is completly usless, you just need to catch and unmask the monster, unless he had a non masked accomplice like the 1000 volts ghost). You are right with the scarf clue tough, it could have worked if they asked about it to Shagworty (side note, is weird that he has shag in the name since that's supposed to be a nickname, altough I guess that wasn't established yet. Even weirder is Dum sharing the first name with Scooby instead of the last one, something they would fix with you know who)
The castle brought stone by stone seems a way to make and englabd or scotland themed episode without having them actually leave the country/continent (not counting when thet did it by magic) wich seems to be something they wheren't confident with doing untill thw third season where they start roaming the world half of the episodes. Setting the episode in englad would have spared us a lot of headaches about the castle.
You make a good point about Ichabod's rival, Brom. Dressing up as a supernatural villain to carry out his nefarious scheme does make him a bit of a proto-Scooby villain! Well, I say "nefarious", but I guess all's fair in love and war, and it's not like Ichabod was a saint, either.
While seldom treated as an antagonist, Merlin has appeared as less of a hero in adaptations over the years. His character in 'Excalibur' (1981), while not a villain, definitely did some less-than-heroic acts like helping Arthur's father technically r*** his mother; likewise, the Merlin featured in the Mark Twain story was depicted as a charlatan through most of the work.
In many series, Velma and Fred can never resist giving Daphne grief when she screws up. To be fair, my best friend and I are constantly insulting each other, and the Japanese seem to have a concept of "being friendly enough with someone to fight them".
You make a good point that by keeping the Gang in the United States but still manage to visit a "European castle", it keeps them grounded. The thing is, it's a CARTOON. There should have been no reason to limit the locations the way they did. It's not like it cost Hanna-Barbera any extra money to make new foreign characters, or the voice artists charged more for doing an accent. They barely got paid as it was!
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@@JoeGoesOver it's true that friends making fun of each others is normal... Bu maybe don't do that when you are trying to capture two murderous criminals who are currently in a room with two other of your friends, at least not without trying to solve the problem at the same time
Yes they shouldn't had that limitation, and they realized that on the third season of this show.
Never underestimate the power of friendship under horrible conditions.
Back in 2010, a very good friend killed himself and my other best friend and I were practically in the middle of the situation. The very next day we were cracking dark jokes alone together because that was the only way we could cope.
Granted, that is not for everyone, but what I always tell people who are mourning is never worry what others think about how you choose to grieve. Mourning is for the living, not the dead, because the latter aren't around to feel the pain.
Wow, sorry for going dark there. It was just the best example in my own life for how friends can rip on each other even in the most dire of circumstances.
2 of the best episodes ever!
I tried my best to make sure my ranking of the villains wasn't meant to disparage the episodes themselves, which were definitely entertaining!
Poor bad guys don't necessarily always mean a poor show!
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9:01: I believe Adam Conover went into detail on why it was stolen (it was because it wasn’t considered very important; I guess “art is in the eye of the beholder” does actually mean something): ua-cam.com/video/EQr4FhbcPMg/v-deo.htmlsi=wgx8VX3s7JtTdOLs
Nothing like a theft to artificially-inflate the value of something.
Like how DeBeers steals the lives of their mineworkers to artificially-inflate the value of lumps of carbon.
@@JoeGoesOver And that's why you should never spend money on Diamond Rings to get married; it leads to early divorce when financial troubles arise.
Side note i watched your video one velma and when you brought up the non white elfs and dwarves you do know that tolkin bassed his books off of European mythology and he stated that there white
Tolkien's elves were a bit of a hodge-podge of any number of sources, though he can absolutely be credited with the modern take on the species in pop culture.
Before him, elves were generally considered more like how we'd classify "pixies" or "gnomes".
That's why the Keebler Elves and Santa's slaves/unpaid labor are so short.
ah yes merlin.prob the most trolled on by shaggy and scooby of any villian xD HE wasso hellbent on gettgin revenge on them that it backfired
He's the Coyote to Shaggy and Scooby's Roadrunner!
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I prefer the Tim burton sleepy hollow to THIS one. Much more Johnny depp and Micheal Gambon
It's just nice to see Casper Van Dien get work.
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Where did you get the 2 weeks thing and 55:06 from?
The "two weeks" lady is from 'Total Recall' (1990) and what pops into my head every time I hear that phrase.
The other is from the first episode of the 'Arrested Development' TV series. If you hear the full quote, it's obvious why I end it so abruptly.
It's one of those "if you know, you know" moments.
Keep beeing funny.
I'm going to do my best, but never forget that you get what you pay for!
I'm going to earn every no dime!
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All those parts about Elon Musk was hilarious... I HATE Elon with a passion
Great ranking! I've seen esch of these episodes (recently too which is even better) so heres my ranking
1) Headless Horseman
2) Merlin & The Black Knight
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I know it's kind of subtle, but my dislike for a certain scion of South African Apartheid might be apparent if you look hard enough in some of my videos.
@JoeGoesOver no problemo thank you for the amazing content as always!
I think I've noticed that I'm not 100% sure
Bing Crosby explained ichabod's fate
As it was also mentioned in the Novella. Either Ichabod Crane survived Brom Bones' Ultimate Prank and managed to find himself a family to raise (which would give some plausibility for Hanna-Barbera to exacerbate the possibility of Beth Crane's existence), or he actually was killed by the Headless Horseman, and was spirited away (which would mean Beth Crane's existence is a paradox). Since Beth Crane is said to be Ichabod's birth descendant, I'm leaning more towards the former on this one.