Concur with my testing as well. Joepresso wins by a mile: crema, higher pressure, fuller taste and more versatility allowing for coffee in basket and above metal filter. I have 3, one of which is the limited edition with steel tamper and non-pressured basket. With a finer grind and sitting on a yoga brick atop the plunger with controlled but full body weight, one can leverage much pressure; Americanos rival my 9 bar manual Espresso Forge.
I have aeropress lately i find it funny. I seen my aeropres looks like canonically big syringe it as if it comes from cartoon pr something😂, but the coffee brewed from it is no joke, it is amazing👀
Hi thanks for the brilliant introduction. In my opinion joepresso is the closest one can get to an "Real" espresso. If you want more texture and body from the joepresso, shorten the brewing time and increase the pressure. It's design is so simple yet durable, you could take it anywhere where there is hot water and brew a espresso style coffee with so much crema it stays in the cup after you finished the coffee. It's my daily driver. It's the most cheapest and compact and durable way to get a shot.
i feel like the prismo and flow control are much better utelised as an alternative to the slightly dodgy inverted method. I have been getting awesome high extraction filter brews with my prismo
I love m’y Prismo. But I never use it to make “espressoish coffee.” I use my Prismo with an Aeropress filter to make Johnathan Gagné’s recipe - coffee ground to Moka fineness . It’s really a high extraction filter coffee vs a strong “half strength” espressoesque beverage. For a “half strength” espressoesque beverage, I use a 6-cup Bialetti Moka Express.
that is exactly what I use it for... the no flip inverted method... I actually double up the prismo with a paper filter ontop of the metal. Simply lovely to use for normal aeropress recipe.
Also great for tea, which generally isn’t even remotely close to fine enough for upright Aeropress brewing, making the inverted method the only option without a prismo or flow control cap.
The thing with the Plank is a funny idea but the joepresso is capable and needs much more pressure if one wants a more concentrated, dense extraction with more texture. It's like one compares a horse with donkeys.
wow haha! it's true though ! Joepresso is way more capable of brewing up at higher extraction pressures, and with that in mind - i probably would not do it under these thin glass cups 😂
Since I had a peculiar learning curve when I started using my aeropress (and spilled a not-insignificant amount of very hot water) and took me a while to be able to figure out how to press a good cup without accidents, I thought that too.
I purchased the AeroPress version. It was total rubbish, and I’m being very kind. First off, it didn’t properly fit. I tried it on two AeroPress, and was unable to twist it on far enough to secure it. Because of that it leaked. And what a mess to clean up. The puck and paper stick and there were grounds everywhere. I purchased it direct from AeroPress and tried to return it. They refused to take it back.
@@AlternativeBrewing I’ve been using James Hoffman’s recipe, and it works pretty well, but I’d like something a little deeper and with the faintest illusion of crème. The JoePresso looks like it might do the trick. Hopefully it’s available in the US.
Call it aeropress. It's like calling Frenchpress, frenchpress. On a different note, I always use a paper filter when I use the aeropress flow control along with the aeropress metal filter because when I dont use paper I get to much fines in the cup. Just FYI I use a Vario grinder with ceramic burrs and metal burr housing set at 5M to 5Q calibrated at 2Q.
Thoughts on using the Joepresso with a non-pressurized basket, which they sell? Also, it seems that the baskets are 51mm, so any reason I couldn't just throw an IMS 51mm basket in there? Thanks!
You totally could - I've tried something similar - I'll say it's very very hard to press much more than 2bars of pressure on the AeroPress when in non-pressurised mode and you'll want to make sure the cup below can handle this - as it will be taking most of the brunt - but can be done.
@@AlternativeBrewing Hey, thanks for the heads-up on the pressure! I typically brew into my steel milk steaming jug. Pushing down on glass freaks me out, lol.
Regardless of history, today espresso means coffee extraction with 6 bars and up. “Espresso-like” is anything with pressure below that, so we should probably just call it “pressured coffee”
Hello nice rewiev just i have a question. I wonder can i use difffent 51 mm basket for Joepresso attachment especially non-pressurized basket? I think i am going to have one.
Possibly yes! Get any Joepresso V1 or V2 , and use the LeverPresso or La Pav 51mm basket - and you'll it'll work 👌 alternativebrewing.com.au/products/leverpresso-filter-basket AMAZING haha why didn't I think of this before 😀
More likely the grind. I had to keep them all the same grind - so it could have been much finer with the Joepresso I'd admit, but then everything else in the comparison would have been off. it still made the better tasting coffee
Could you change the pressurized basket of the joepresso into a non pressurized one? And will you be able to create actual espresso in the aeropress with that? I guess thats actually worth looking at.
I also used the non-pressurized sieve, it sounds like the non-pressurized sieve together with light pressing produces better results, but from the point of view of taste, I prefer the moka pot
I'm debating over prismo vs flow control at the moment. The pseudo espresso thing isn't much of a factor for me, I'm mostly just looking for a non inverted inverter style brew. I'm drawn to the flow control more initially, not having to stack filters in order to use paper is appealing, but the one thing that concerns me is the non replaceable valve. Fellow offer replacements, but if the FC valve goes you've got to buy a whole new unit, which isn't great in terms of longevity and sustainability.
Do you believe that the metal filter, 16:1916:20 which you used in the experiment, makes a difference over just a paper filter. I do not plan on switching to 17:40
In Italy, you typically just see "caffè" on the menu, because if you're getting coffee out it's all espresso. I like to call all espresso adjacent shots "caffè," because that covers espresso, moka, and espresso-like drinks like the ones in this video.
Aeropress flo control leaks around the seal because it doesn't use a silicone gasket. The real problem however is the new Aeropress Clear bottom lip isn't machined smooth and will leak easily. Do the same comparison with the Aeropress Clear
Imersion brew is the most technically correct term but I do understand the reluctance since you can get as much as a bar of pressure on an Aeropress. It's sort of in that awkard category as Moka pot coffee although I personally prefer the Aeropress to the Moka Pot
its Moka! like the Bialetti. maximum a couple off bar of pressure and cofusiengly calles espresso by people that cant afford a real espressomaker, Moka!
Did you try to tamp coffee in Fellow Prismo and AeroPress Flow Control (similar like in Joepresso)? Original recipe makes weaker coffee than you tamp it. I'm interested in this comparsion...
@@AlternativeBrewing Also most Aeropress users I've seen in Aus use it to make a "shot" for milk based coffee. As in they'll add the aeropress shot to cold milk in a mug and microwave it. So I think texture is less important, more just plain flavour intensity
It’s more the filter basket capacity then the screen. You can not really fill beyond the filter basket and tamp down- but what you could do is add more coffee on top - after you’ve attached the joepresso - and then that way you can get more in the dose
As far as what to call it, I Iiken it to a French Press. So I vote American Press or just Pressed coffee since there is or was a device named American Press, though I don't think is still on the market.
What about "Aeropresso"?
Works for the Aeropress well 👌
Was about to say.
Concur with my testing as well. Joepresso wins by a mile: crema, higher pressure, fuller taste and more versatility allowing for coffee in basket and above metal filter. I have 3, one of which is the limited edition with steel tamper and non-pressured basket. With a finer grind and sitting on a yoga brick atop the plunger with controlled but full body weight, one can leverage much pressure; Americanos rival my 9 bar manual Espresso Forge.
Nice! Great work Josh, the block of wood made it extra special 😄
Thanks! 👍 Had to make it exciting 😂
I have aeropress lately i find it funny. I seen my aeropres looks like canonically big syringe it as if it comes from cartoon pr something😂, but the coffee brewed from it is no joke, it is amazing👀
Hi thanks for the brilliant introduction. In my opinion joepresso is the closest one can get to an "Real" espresso. If you want more texture and body from the joepresso, shorten the brewing time and increase the pressure. It's design is so simple yet durable, you could take it anywhere where there is hot water and brew a espresso style coffee with so much crema it stays in the cup after you finished the coffee. It's my daily driver. It's the most cheapest and compact and durable way to get a shot.
So true! All great points thanks for sharing 😀
I just love my "Handpresso" coffee ❤
❤ Josh, this is an awesome video. Job well done, mate.
Thanks a ton!
Just the video I was looking for. Thank you! Also... 'fauxspresso', innit ;)
You got it!
very useful, thanks! australia? cool! regards from switzerland
So, in the end, which of the 3 filters do you recommend to buy to get the best show of creamy espresso coffee?
I vote to call it a “nel mezzo” which means “in between” in Italian.
nel mezzo espresso ! 🫶 its gotta ring to it
A drawback with the joepresso for me is that the coffee is under a filter, so there's a maximum amount
i feel like the prismo and flow control are much better utelised as an alternative to the slightly dodgy inverted method. I have been getting awesome high extraction filter brews with my prismo
Ditto.
Knocking over an inverted aeropress is by far the largest mess I've ever made in the kitchen.
I love m’y Prismo. But I never use it to make “espressoish coffee.” I use my Prismo with an Aeropress filter to make Johnathan Gagné’s recipe - coffee ground to Moka fineness . It’s really a high extraction filter coffee vs a strong “half strength” espressoesque beverage. For a “half strength” espressoesque beverage, I use a 6-cup Bialetti Moka Express.
that is exactly what I use it for... the no flip inverted method... I actually double up the prismo with a paper filter ontop of the metal. Simply lovely to use for normal aeropress recipe.
Also great for tea, which generally isn’t even remotely close to fine enough for upright Aeropress brewing, making the inverted method the only option without a prismo or flow control cap.
The thing with the Plank is a funny idea but the joepresso is capable and needs much more pressure if one wants a more concentrated, dense extraction with more texture. It's like one compares a horse with donkeys.
wow haha! it's true though ! Joepresso is way more capable of brewing up at higher extraction pressures, and with that in mind - i probably would not do it under these thin glass cups 😂
@@AlternativeBrewingTrue. But it's a shame you won't see all the crema then.
@7:07 Very funny, Josh
Great video!
Thanks!
Fauxpresso
Lowpresso
A piece of wood?
This is an accident just waiting to happen, I thought. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Since I had a peculiar learning curve when I started using my aeropress (and spilled a not-insignificant amount of very hot water) and took me a while to be able to figure out how to press a good cup without accidents, I thought that too.
I purchased the AeroPress version. It was total rubbish, and I’m being very kind. First off, it didn’t properly fit. I tried it on two AeroPress, and was unable to twist it on far enough to secure it. Because of that it leaked. And what a mess to clean up. The puck and paper stick and there were grounds everywhere. I purchased it direct from AeroPress and tried to return it. They refused to take it back.
Im so sorry to hear that! If your heart's still in it - try the JoePresso 👌 you'll be pleasantly surprised
@@AlternativeBrewing I’ve been using James Hoffman’s recipe, and it works pretty well, but I’d like something a little deeper and with the faintest illusion of crème. The JoePresso looks like it might do the trick. Hopefully it’s available in the US.
@@tomscott4438 Comes from the US 👍 you're in good hands 😀
Call it aeropress. It's like calling Frenchpress, frenchpress. On a different note, I always use a paper filter when I use the aeropress flow control along with the aeropress metal filter because when I dont use paper I get to much fines in the cup. Just FYI I use a Vario grinder with ceramic burrs and metal burr housing set at 5M to 5Q calibrated at 2Q.
Thoughts on using the Joepresso with a non-pressurized basket, which they sell? Also, it seems that the baskets are 51mm, so any reason I couldn't just throw an IMS 51mm basket in there?
Thanks!
You totally could - I've tried something similar - I'll say it's very very hard to press much more than 2bars of pressure on the AeroPress when in non-pressurised mode and you'll want to make sure the cup below can handle this - as it will be taking most of the brunt - but can be done.
@@AlternativeBrewing Hey, thanks for the heads-up on the pressure! I typically brew into my steel milk steaming jug. Pushing down on glass freaks me out, lol.
Regardless of history, today espresso means coffee extraction with 6 bars and up. “Espresso-like” is anything with pressure below that, so we should probably just call it “pressured coffee”
Fauspresso?
Fauxspresso?
Hello nice rewiev just i have a question. I wonder can i use difffent 51 mm basket for Joepresso attachment especially non-pressurized basket? I think i am going to have one.
Possibly yes! Get any Joepresso V1 or V2 , and use the LeverPresso or La Pav 51mm basket - and you'll it'll work 👌 alternativebrewing.com.au/products/leverpresso-filter-basket AMAZING haha why didn't I think of this before 😀
@@AlternativeBrewing by this way i can use more ground coffee
It should be a blind test.
well, can we just call it an "Aeropresso"?
how just aeropress coffee. makes sense.
I wonder if you would have gotten better body with the Joepresso by pushing harder. Or both.
More likely the grind. I had to keep them all the same grind - so it could have been much finer with the Joepresso I'd admit, but then everything else in the comparison would have been off. it still made the better tasting coffee
random Question...... do these fit on the areopress go? i assume so...
most do yes 👌
Would have gotten more texture had you used a solid mahogany piece of wood rather than the cheap pine piece of wood.
hahahaha! 😂 solid mahogany piece of wood 🫶 #facts
On second thought - couldn't you just give the joepresso a swirl..?
This is true!
Why not just call it Aeropresso
Could you change the pressurized basket of the joepresso into a non pressurized one? And will you be able to create actual espresso in the aeropress with that? I guess thats actually worth looking at.
I also used the non-pressurized sieve, it sounds like the non-pressurized sieve together with light pressing produces better results, but from the point of view of taste, I prefer the moka pot
Did you say Joe Prismo?
Probably 😂
Airpresso, I guess
How about pseudo-presso?
not bad 👌 rolls off the tongue
Now I’m getting musical vibes
Me think Aerpresso could be a honest name
Pressurized coffee brewing.
How about "pressure-brewed coffee" instead of "espresso-like coffee"
I like it yeah 👌 works across many brewers
aeropresso
"Low Pressure Espresso"
😏 "PromoSM"
Do you think we need it? 🤔
Please never say inspo again
😂 ok
Great comparison but the audio is boomy and fatiguing to listen to.
Would be interesting to see a comparison between the Aeropress metal filter, the Able disks and other metal filters like the IMS.
I'm debating over prismo vs flow control at the moment. The pseudo espresso thing isn't much of a factor for me, I'm mostly just looking for a non inverted inverter style brew.
I'm drawn to the flow control more initially, not having to stack filters in order to use paper is appealing, but the one thing that concerns me is the non replaceable valve. Fellow offer replacements, but if the FC valve goes you've got to buy a whole new unit, which isn't great in terms of longevity and sustainability.
How about "copresso"?
Call it "Pressed Coffee", instead of espresso-like?
i dont know call it filleso filtesso espilter elito esprilter
Do you believe that the metal filter, 16:19 16:20 which you used in the experiment, makes a difference over just a paper filter. I do not plan on switching to 17:40
You can use a paper filter - it's just not as full on as a metal filter , when chasing that Espresso-like quality IMO
In Italy, you typically just see "caffè" on the menu, because if you're getting coffee out it's all espresso. I like to call all espresso adjacent shots "caffè," because that covers espresso, moka, and espresso-like drinks like the ones in this video.
Aeropress flo control leaks around the seal because it doesn't use a silicone gasket. The real problem however is the new Aeropress Clear bottom lip isn't machined smooth and will leak easily. Do the same comparison with the Aeropress Clear
'Condensed filter' could be a good way of describing it. It's not pretty, but I think it summarises the drink you get pretty well.
Imersion brew is the most technically correct term but I do understand the reluctance since you can get as much as a bar of pressure on an Aeropress. It's sort of in that awkard category as Moka pot coffee although I personally prefer the Aeropress to the Moka Pot
How about calling it Pseudo Espresso or maybe Pseudopresso :-)
What are your cups?
These: alternativebrewing.com.au/products/bodum-pavina-glass-2pc
its Moka! like the Bialetti. maximum a couple off bar of pressure and cofusiengly calles espresso by people that cant afford a real espressomaker, Moka!
with the added bennefit of "flow control"
I put a paper filter in the Pismo.
Did you try to tamp coffee in Fellow Prismo and AeroPress Flow Control (similar like in Joepresso)? Original recipe makes weaker coffee than you tamp it. I'm interested in this comparsion...
Oohhh m, you’re right- no I didn’t tamp it ! Will have to try this now
@@AlternativeBrewing Flow control with 35 microns filter would be interesting maybe...
I call it a "small strong coffee"
Simple and sweet nice 🫶
@@AlternativeBrewing Also most Aeropress users I've seen in Aus use it to make a "shot" for milk based coffee. As in they'll add the aeropress shot to cold milk in a mug and microwave it. So I think texture is less important, more just plain flavour intensity
@@Mandragara Nice yeah! I always get lost in videos - when I make and taste espresso - forgetting 97% of coffee lovers are having it with milk 👌
Can the Joepresso be used without screen to increase dose
It’s more the filter basket capacity then the screen. You can not really fill beyond the filter basket and tamp down- but what you could do is add more coffee on top - after you’ve attached the joepresso - and then that way you can get more in the dose
I think the one flaw in your testing was using distributed pressure on every press, when the different caps have different release pressures.
Great obs ! Thanks so much 👌 Yeah - didn't go down as well as I had intended - I do believe the results would have remained the same, or close.
As far as what to call it, I Iiken it to a French Press. So I vote American Press or just Pressed coffee since there is or was a device named American Press, though I don't think is still on the market.
Alternative Brewing is the best!
thanks 🫶