Digitakt VS Blackbox // 5 Big Differences
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- I get this question all the time. Should i buy the Blackbox or Digitakt? The answer is heavily dependant on what you want to do with the machine in the end. Are you Looping? Sampling? In need of a Drum Machine? Backing tracks? These all play a factor. But on top of that, there are 5 other things that i think matter a lot when trying to decide between the two.
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00:00 The Problem
01:07 Track Limitations
03:32 How I Use Them
05:24 Using Them Dawless and Live
06:45 Elektron Workflow VS Blackbox
07:54 Blackbox and Digitakt Song Mode
10:10 Storage and Ram
12:10 Sample Management
13:00 Overbridge
15:36 Conclusion
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#Digitakt #BlackBox #DigitaktVsBlackBox
Hey everyone, So i realized... i forgot to mention another MAJOR point about about the Blackbox and that is its USB Hosting capabilities. Its insane, and super easy to use. Plug in pratically any midi controller over USB, and then select a parameter and hit 'learn' then turn a knob and you have mapped that knob to the blackbox.. Crazy!
That is HUGE for improving the flaw of having to deal with the little screen.
The launch control XL is a great midi controller for this cutest machine
The Black Box definitely benefits from an external hardware midi device/sequencer as this greatly reduces menu diving. The quick midi setup really helps in this regard.
I was going to post up on it’s midi capabilities until I read this.
I have the Launchpad Pro MK3 controlling the Blackbox volume, panning, and hi/low filter for each pad as well as clip launching and sequence launching. This two are the perfect pair, especially being able to use song mode on the Blackbox or the patterns and scenes on the Launchpad.
is it weird i really like ricky's videos' color palette? it's like just a lightly graded raw file which is a world away from the harsh saturated colors of most of youtube. it's like it's letting my eyes relax for once.
I like it too. It's a less is more approach and I reckon more difficult to get right. He has a soft key light and nice warm backlights, it's pretty pleasing. I've noticed a lot of people that try the "light grade" look also end up making themselves and everything washed out because they mess with the black level too much.
Never really thought about it, but you are right, and it is nice. One of my favorite channels, for sure.
I get what you mean 100%. tone is everything when it comes to... EVERYTHING. & I totally agree about enrique's vids. this is why kids much rather sit at home, in my amber lighting, watching his shizz than, say... lurking around a 7-eleven. ;-)
ricky and Benn Jordan / Flashbulb are the colour grading kings of music youtube
All of Ricky’s videos are totally chill.
Blackbox is the best thing I bought in a long time. It's a sketchbook, powerful sampler, production tool... like any other gear it has some limitations - but it can do many many things very good.
The newest firmware is awesome. It adds trigger %, velocity and unquantized recording to the sequencer
I went the Blackbox route for the following: sample loop player and use as a drum computer; the ability to play loooong samples; the 16-track option; standalone DAW when an opportunity arises in a very compact form factor. Interesting exploration of both platforms!
Honestly the biggest thing between these two pieces, at least for me, is the following;
The blackbox is a beautiful, powerful, tool.
The digitakt is a beautiful, powerful, instrument.
I have the blackbox, not the digitakt. but I do have the digitone. & I think you might've just nailed it as succinctly & concisely as could possibly be.
damn. thats actually beyond accurate haha
I agree, that's why I have both actually. :)
Agreed, I basically use the Black Box as a DAW.
Going to have to disagree respectfully here friends. Using the BB to play back samples polyphonicly makes it an incredible creative synth with endless oscillator potential. 16 stereo tracks, nice filter, live looping, using random to bounce around different loop points, and granular make this a very powerful instrument.
The key to the blackbox workflow is your midi controller of choice. I use an old akai MPD. With the pads I can trigger all the BB 'pads' and launch sequences + play some chopped samples. I also have the knobs and faders for all kinds of parameters. can take the BB with me and make beats everywhere.
Congrats on the 100k subscribers! Your content’s great; glad to see people are noticing.
Dude, i've learned so much cool stuff from you about music gear, thank you! been here since 8k and boom, now it's 100k! Congrats, it's more than well deserved!
i really appreciate that you mentioned "redoing your studio/setup" before saying anything more about buying anything. :)
yeah, this works almost like magic... always i feel like i'm loosing flow with my toys, imjist disconnect everything, reorganize cables, reorganise gear positin and boom.. inspiration is back full power :-))
Indeed. Getting to know something you already have indepth is sometimes that thing the GAS won't let you think about, but you should
I am 100% hardware, including a 24 track recorder. I classify the BlackBox as a musicians sampler, something I have waited a long time for. If you play instruments and want to sample phrases (clips) along side percussion (samples/one shot) the BlackBox gives you the immense memory (SD storage) for long samples...and lots of them. So I play in my guitars, keyboards, drums, bass, percussion, vocals....and NEVER buy or look for samples. My samples are absolutely perfect for each song and they are originals never used before. ORIGINAL! I can also build up sound designs on the BlackBox, take a simple monophonic synth and make a gigantic stereo poly synth sample to play on a keyboard, or sequenced in with the built in keyboard or sequencer. The BlackBox sound is extraordinary input and output, pro level hot pre-amps and A/D D/As sound fantastic! The BlackBox is a dream come true for musicians and the only piece of gear I have ever purchased that was NOT disappointing in some feature or sound.....and I have been a musician for 50 years buying all types of gear.... Organs/Dpianos/synths/drum machines/groove boxes/effects/processors/recording equipment.....
I love mine
This is the comment I needed to see as a lifelong multi-instrumentalist. I have a Roland MV-1 that wants to be as friendly
Yes! A musician doesn't need a complex sampler that takes months to learn. The complexity is there for non-musicians who can't play and instrument and need the complex parameters to attempt to make their sequence sound human after placing it on a perfect grid. By playing in our instruments in the sampler we preserve the humanity by not quantizing to a grid, and also saving enormous time with tedious parameters. I practice my phrase (clip) record it in and within a few minutes it is ready. For drums/keys/strings all those little off grid flams, grace notes and groove variations are in there. Even the most complex sampler probably does not have the parameters for that. @@JasonHader
That intro will never get old! I find your voice so soothing always end up watching your vids late at night getting me chilled out 🙂
Loved the walkaway part :). Seriously thanks a lot for this Ricky. Been contemplating a Blackbox purchase for sometime now. This is helping me put things into perspective considering all the other synths elements I have. ✌🏼
The Blackbox is amazing as a musical sketchbook on the go.
That outro made the already awesome video 100x better. Thanks for this Ricky! Super helpful
Congrats for 100K Subs! You earned it!!
This was great, and helpful as I’ve been looking at both these boxes. I like the try rearranging your studio for inspiration before buying something new tip. 👍🏼
Great comparison video! Thanks for the rundown of typical usage plus strength and weaknesses.
5:08 They do! It’s called the bluebox, it’s a mixer in the same form factor as the blackbox
Thanks! I was going to get the Blackbox to record multiple samples from a monophonic synth and then play it back in polyphony from the Blackbox with MIDI signals from decent sequencer. So your video pretty much confirmed I made the right choice. And if I must play it live, I can always get a Novation Launch Control XL MK2.
100k... Good for you man! Well deserved
Man, literally yesterday I was asking my friend what should I buy, Digitakt or Blackbox and today he sent me this. Nice timing xD
Ha so which one did you get?
@@Iofflight I got Digitakt, I’ve sold it, then I bought push 2 and have also sold it and now I’m gonna get Polyend Tracker.
@@TheMarcin404 haha that was the direction I was leaning too!
Let’s get some more compact creations!!
Was just thinking that today... would love to see more of the Ricky flow.
Thats what i've been waiting for to make the right next step! Thanx!
this is such a good video, something about Ricky that just didn’t gel with me when i first watched his videos, but the more i see the more grateful i am, this one feels like a masterclass, the experience imparted in between the lines here is just great
Great video, Ricky. I’ve got both too - Digitakt for drums/samples (way more interesting with trig conditions and locks) and the blackbox for live looping. Definitely got room for both in my life
I just thought today that I haven't seen you in a while. Well, hello there! :) I like the way you explain things even when you talk about instruments I don't have. So, just thank you - for all the knowledge you share and the way you do it. Kudos!
Great 'VS video' & congrats for the 💯K !!
Love these honest reviews 🙂
I have both! I play long samples on the black box (kinda like ableton audio clips) and really mainly use the DT as a drum machine as well as a sequencer for external gear. It's hard to beat the Elektron sequencer. The blackbox is a little quirky thing but I have grown to love it. If you are trying to do Dawless, you can use the black box as a place to put final stems of your tracks and really you don't have to edit on the computer if you don't want to just record your jams into it and slice them up on the BB.
I'm totally on your page here.
i was thinking of using akai force for this but their 8 track limitation + missing disk streaming makes it a no-go. I’d like to have a rock solid piece of hardware to play my tracks on stage with min. loading time and blackbox, combined with a good midi controller to avoid menu diving, seems like the way to go right now. It depends on song mode though, and unfortunately this video doesn’t cover that aspect.
@@thijstriemstra loopop covers BB song mode and explains in full how it works, just watched it today
Great comparison Ricky. I am blessed to own both as I imagine some others do here and they are both very powerful, but I feel that the Blackbox has the edge for me. In short, I love the instant inspiration and fun factor (most important), the streamlined approach to menu diving, the many ways I can bring in and use samples, access to 32 chops directly on screen (without banking) and 88+ with a midi keyboard controller, awesome filters, envelope control and granular to manipulate each sound and finally...the large storage (via SD) and portability (via USB power & form factor) that integrates anywhere within my home studio while allowing me to power up and bang just about anywhere.
Man Ricky explains everything so nicely.
Maybe others have commented, but on a Mac, if you have multiple audio interfaces you can use them simultaneously without Soundflower or any other 3rd party tool.
1. Open "Audio MIDI Setup" on your Mac.
2. Open the Audio Devices window (⌘+1)
3. Click on the + symbol in the lower left of the window and select "Create Aggregate Device".
In that window, you will see a new audio device, and you can check the boxes next to existing ones that you want to have in a single audio "device". You can then organize the channels into an order that makes sense to you.
When you select that device in your DAW, you can now use any of the channels on any device you enabled in the aggregate device.
Similar story in Linux. Plug in as many audio devices as you want, and it can use them all. The problem Overbridge solves is basically just a Windows design flaw.
Meanwhile, Overbridge itself creates new problems, because it's proprietary and there is no standards compliant fallback, so Elektron's devices don't work on other platforms. It likely won't even work under Windows in fifteen years. Tying the functionality to a VST means it has the same problems as VSTs, like limited compatibility, a need for ongoing maintenance, and eventually dying when they stop updating it.
I didn’t understand overbridge until this. Thank you for the knowledge. Respect Due.
I remember having 16 tracks on the MC303 back in the day. It was a luxury, and I’d often be able to get parts in there for both verse and chorus.
I hooked up my midi gear to the blackbox. if functions reasonable well. One big pro for the blackbox, they still keep adding new features to the firmware!
Thanks for your thoughts on these devices. Besides spicing-up my live-performance with some pre- or live recorded loops, the black box is also a great musical notebook, because quickly sampling or recording an idea/sketching a song on the fly is so easy.
Your notes are cool with us. Makes it better. Thanks man
Yeah.. 100k subscribers!! Congrats!
You are a very good gear reviewer, man. You don't waste anyone's time, yet the vids are not dry either. Big up!
awesome vid! i have a feeling that the blackbox in combination with the midifighter twister would be an insane combo for live sets!
A great vid. This has been a question for me over the last few months as I plan on buying one of these at some point this year. The Digi is definitely the one for me, judging by your comments.
Keep up the good work. Peace.
Have to say Ricky I'm impressed by your clean shots in this video, nicely focused wide shot of you and then the perfectly cropped down shot . Then boom the down the elbow angle shot... Too stuff mate
*top
Blackbox - A super quick, super simple to learn logical workflow, thus more musical output. Regularly updated firmware too
Digitakt - Deep sample mangling, with a quirky Elektron workflow, thus little music output
That's my take from owning both. The first 6 months of owning a Digitakt I created a few cool sounds, but I spent so much time shaping sounds, that I didn't create much with it, but the Blackbox is so fun to use due to it's simplicity, it encourages music creation. It amazes me when I revisit it the crazy amount of music ideas I had with that thing and how good it sounds. Purely my opinion though from owning both, but for people that don't want to read a hefty manual, the Blackbox is also the better option as it's ridiculously easy to use without a manual.
“Little chorizo fingers” 😂
You are the best. Love your stuff! Wait....were should I stand? Really nice!
I LOVE my Digitakt but I'm thinking about getting a Blackbox to hook up to my Midifighter for finger drumming and looping. It would be nice to have an alternative workflow that doesn't rely so much on sequencing.
Ricky....another great vid. Makes me want a digi even more. Big love from Melbourne
Hey brother! Great video! I had the same bad experience with the MPC live touch screen. However, the MPC X is a different story, all those buttons and knobs with led screens make it a joy to use. I would definitely recommend you check it out, it might be a nice addition to your MPC collection👍🏼 have an awesome year✌🏻
Yeah, big up Ricky! Your videos are so good.
This was just the video i needed thank you
Damn a Ricky video without music... I felt a bit lost haha. But like you said. It is just what you need it for. The BlackBox is great for looping stuf. But sold it. And still have my Digitakt.
Audio timing via Overbridge is phenomenal. Audio over USB on the TR-8s has a noticeable amount of latency and jitter.
I've really struggled recording the TR8S over USB audio into Ableton. Very hard to get it on the grid. Usually have to zoom in and cut out to bring it back a little
Great compare/contrast, Enrique
As a user of both, I can’t argue any of your points.
Especially having to stand completely still to fire off a pad on the Blackbox. Glad it’s not just me.
One thing about the DT that many users complain about is not being able to start a sequence anywhere except from step one. This is also true of the Blackbox. However, the Blackbox’s piano roll allows you to easily visualize patterns (for multiple tracks) across more than 16 steps at a time.
The completeness of what I can do with drums is “more” on the DT. But the speed at which I can lay passable beats down on the Blackbox blows me away.
The digitakt cannot play stereo samples. Only mono (it will convert stereo samples to mono automatically.) IMO, this is a very significant difference between these two machines.
wow that’s huge (disadvantage for digitakt)
@@thijstriemstra - not particularly if you’re using it for drum samples which work just as well in mono.
I’m saying bb all day
Thank you for the informative video man 🙏
"elektron is smart" you hit the nail on the head with that one, they sure know how to get you to purchase more gear.
I like these kind of comparisons. I think the same way about my gear.
When using the 8s and the claret why not setup an aggregate device on midi audio setup (Mac) and the. You can have them all available at once?
I love the blackbox beautifully simple and fun!!
This is the video i've been waiting for!
Thank you for all your inspirational info it’s awesome. Stay safe and could you do a video with the blackbox in a little more detail? Like the sequencer like how it works. Thanks again
Digitakt having song mode, splicing and timestretching all added in a firmware update, covered all the bases I'd ever really want/need from a sampler now basically.
I personally hate touchscreens, and love tactile buttons/knobs/sliders.
Man, love your videos. Just about to get back into music after 90s with tb-303, tr-707 and later mc101. If course atari st with cubase. So now.. what to choose? Have a brandnew macbook pro with ableton demo. Wonder if digitakt, Blackbox (you made me want one) or MPC one would make fun. Just for home use. As you mention overbridge as gamechanger. What do you think of MPC desktop? Any suggestions welcome. Happy new year! Edit: just mention i like piano roll grid view.
You nailed why I sold my BB after
Tracker looks so nice, special, but in the end has a potential to serve as an expensive dust collector. I mean who wants to fiddle with the code to make music right?
For me, the Digitakt sequencer is a huge part of the creative process. Most inbuilt sequencers are simply a way to record and play back your input.
The Digitakt sequencer (also read Elektron) captures your input and then asks you to start parameter locking stuff and before too long you’ve got something far more interesting.
It’s hard to explain properly but Elektron users will know exactly what I mean 😀
We all want loads of steps, but on Elektron boxes I generally go with 32 steps but use conditional trigs to bring in variations every 4 or 8 bars way more quickly than if I was to have a 128 step sequence.
What do you think how they would work in addition of each other?
Could you use blackbox as a master and use its song mode to sequence patterns of the digitakt?
But even without this function, what do you think of adding this devices together?
You should check his video "My Live Techno Modular Setup // Blackbox Live Looping". Not using the Digitakt there but still...
Great! Been eying the electron for a while, and still thought the Black Box was more boutique. Can't say I've researched either of them in great detail. Mostly because they are premium, and not exactly cheap.... but also amazing. I understand the tech in electron is right up there, always inspired to what I hear and see. Maybe I might finally get down to it, and get one lol Just as expensive as a guitar
Song mode simply captures the activation and deactivation of sequences. Set a bar length for the section, press record and it will capture whatever you do. Once you have a bunch of sections it's really easy to switch between them live. It is fiddly to use though, and if you make a mistake you pretty much have to delete a section and start from scratch, because it's still quite buggy with capturing edits. I think a timeline with 16 rows similar to a DAW, would be a much better implementation though.
hey, thanks for the heads up on no samples! I can respect that seeing you brought up up front. all talk and no demo videos drive me crazy, and this is a features comparison, so it's not a sonic comparison. otherwise, my PTSD would get triggered LOL
Dude. Your channel is awesome.
great call on this vid, enrique. that ending is some real world shizz too. ;-)
woah, i'm early 🤘🏼you helped me decide on digitakt 🎛
happy 100K!!!!
Loved the ending in this one :)
thanks for this. think you have helped me make my mind up: I will get a black box to accompany my Akai force and use the sp404 for fx
The new firmware for the blackbox is insane.
This machine will be (more) beast in the futur
I'm considering getting one to have a more portable piece of gear and to compliment my Akai Force.
@@inthefade, well, it's a good piece of gear to add indeed.
Careful about clocking, the blackbox is more master than slave
I use it more than my switch
Making tracks eazy peazy everywhere.
@@inthefade I absolutely love the black box. It’s more or less completely inline with how I work with samples, how I want them to behave, and no fuss load them. I’m maybe using 50% of it for the most part and have been completely happy.
@@korros51dnr22 That's good to know. The Force apparently doesn't play as well as slave as it does master, either.
@@inthefade firmwares firmwares firmwares...
The 1.7.3 in BB, now you can send midi to another piece of gear.
Akai Force is cool, but there are some time stretch issues.
Did they fixed it with another firmware?
Sometimes Akai released some unfinished products...
Like said Ricky, BB had a cool time stretch when you go up.
When you go down, that's special... It can do something cool when you pitch down too.
Loving my Blackbox too.
I have only seen YT videos but it looks amazing to me. Very well thought out. Very powerful DAW for a DAW-less setup. How is the build quality and stability? Does it ever crash?
Has anyone found a way to duplicate a pattern length on the Blackbox? Not sure if it’s possible on the unit, but I am a lot more productive when I start with a 1 bar loop and extend it and then make changes on the next bar and reappear until I get to the Max step length.
I hope that makes sense...
Good morning Ricky, can you mix down songs to the SDCard in the Black Box Studio? Thank you thinking of grabbing one to replace my OP-Z for EDC for lunchtime shenanigans
Is it possible to edit , chop, quantize or warp longer samples on blackbox?
Tempo matching you know.
For instance:
A project is in 120 bpm and I load a 40 sec long 140bpm or 80 bpm sample let s say and I want to fit in ... so tempo match or quantization or warp kinda thing. Thx
I dont understand the "elektron workflow" argument. My first elektron box was the Mk1 Octatrack and I had no problems at all, all it takes is having the manual as reference and some patience. I got the Digitakt after that and its soooo much more simple than the Octatrack already.
Agree, really liking the workflow of the Digitakt. Finding it easy to bang out beats that are fun without wasting too much time with set up!
First elektron was an OT? Ugh, brutal. The OT is the one elektron box that I hate.
@@VincentsVideoVisions nesecitan hacer la hybrid el ot2 like otaniversary is only para hacer money , no have sentido,, es tan triste 😴😔
I've been on the verge of ordering the Blackbox after a few days but the rest of my gear is Elektron. Forgot you made this vid because I wasn't interested in either at the time, but I needed this ❤
I have yet to own one, but plan to in the near future. It was your 2 videos that peaked my interest, as I moved away from DAWs. The fact it’s made for a hot signal, like modular, is deal maker for me. I am curious when you’re using the black box how do you increase your line levels from your other synths & non-modular gear. Thanks for the great videos 👍👍
Matching the lighting to the Digitakt LEDs, pure genius.
Ricky's got some dope production value. Also he has a cute little doggo.
yeah man.... its SOOOO goood fam!!! almost andreij tarkovsky level of genius! i mean... thats almost... david lynch style of genius!! fck me, pure genius!!
@@Schimelln I guess this video is reminiscent of Tarkovsky's film STALKER (1979), because Ricky is a guide who takes us to the zone where there supposedly exists a room which grants a person's innermost desires.
Thank you.
You talk about the TR8S and having to swap audio interfaces to use audio over USB. On the Mac (assume you are on a Mac as you talked about trying soundflower) you can create an Aggregate Audio Device that allows you to “merge” all your separate audio devices into a single “device” to use in your DAW. So I have a TR8S, an UA Apollo, 2 x MOTU 24Ai and a MOTO 24AO as an aggregate device, and in my daw all the inputs/outputs of all the devices are available to me permanently. It’s a fantastic way of setting things up.
For all watching this great video lately. Song Mode is available now via firmware update.
They both put you in a different headspace for ideas and inspiration. I'm old school, so I was inspired by limitations.
Black Box can run off a USB power station - making it a portable solution for on-the-go production, which is very cool.
BB Has mediocre FX for more of a dry sound. All it needs is more FX and modulation capabilities (LFOs).
You can also sample live on the BB. BB is more of a very capable sketchpad for building basic stuff. I have one and It's basically a pocket MPC.
Instead of the Digitakt, I have the Elektron sampling grandaddy - Octatrack.
Digitakt is WAY MORE feature-heavy. Equipment is like imbibing - some days you want a tasty craft beer... other days it's a good 32-year rum. Try both.
I'm in no way promoting alcohol consumption on Rick's channel! Drink and drum responsibly.
Guys, would you pick a Blackbox or Octatrack mk1? Mainly for live looping analog stuff and some vocals/saxophone. I can't decide between more tactile user interface or smaller form factor/portability... also I like LFOs a lot... please send help!
Wonderful video!
Fyi on the Mac you can create an aggregate audio device using Audio/Midi setup. This allows you to create a single combined virtual interface from multiple physical interfaces. You can then select the aggregate in your DAW. It's not needed with Overbridge but I used to use it with my Scarlett 6i6, UltraNova and ES-8. Got an 18i20 so I don't have to mess with it anymore but it works fine.
great vid ricky!
Nice light today! 👍🎬💡
Have you tried the deluge? I traded my digitakt for the deluge. Some limitations but it's the best "heart" for a midi and drum setup for live playing that I've used.
i want something very compact to bring with me in nature with my minilogue xd. i want to record 1 or 2 background tracks and them play live the melody over that. (it has to be stereo!) could you recommend the blackbox for that purpose or are there better devices for that?
Would you ever consider trying the force and reviewing it from a full live set standpoint? I’m putting my set together on it and I’d love your point of view! So far I love it
The end of this video..🤣 You are great Ricky! Thx
Yo Ricky, ive got the eurorack version of the black box, and I definitely underuse it, but all those jacks up front make easy peasey triggers for like drums (mostly what i use it for is a my drummachine sound source cause i can put my own samples on there)
love the vids
Your videos are such a vibe goddamn
Thanks Ricky, I went with analog rytm mk2 to complement the blackbox :D
There it is
Nice video? I have a blackbox and the bang for buck is pretty huge. I would love to see if you have a video covering the best small tactile cobtrollers are best. That would solve some of the performance things you brought-up.