Thank you so much for sharing this important video. I read Xue Dian 1932 book, which I bought in Taiwan. As a Li Cunyi Branch practicioner, I was also very intrested in the story of Xue Dian and his involvement with Yiguandao. My teacher's teacher was Mr.- Zhang Junfeng 張俊峰 . He was also a member of Yiguandao in Tianjin. In 1948, after closing his fruit wholesale business, "Han Gong Qiu", he moved to Taiwan due to the turbulence in China.
i want to express to you how much I appreciate your willingness to share detailed knowledge with the Chinese Martial Arts community. Your videos have cleared up and corrected so many misconceptions and inaccuracies I had. Please continue sharing with all of us! Much Thanks!!
Much gratitude for the video and sharing about XiangXing Shu. Responding to the “dragon body” method you demonstrated. Couple months after practicing XingYi 2 years ago, I realized how your movements were different compared to other learning materials I had. They had more “edge” and certain kind of explosiveness to it. I then tried to emulate how your body extends during the XueDian Style San Ti and Pi Quan demo from one of your older videos(it was an interview showing differences between Li CunYi, Zhang ZhaoDong, and Xue Dian with Pi/San Ti examples), and the results were amazing. Slightly turning around the hip provides the additional range of motion that I never expected. It promotes flexibility to my core and causes the movements to be more “snapping” and ”catapult” like. Aside from that, it feels appropriate to understand who the founder of the martial arts you practice and their history, especially one with such exceptional mind that truly deserves wider recognition. It is very kind of you to share the personal accounts you have on Master Xue’s life, as they are very scarce, and the existing ones mentioned only briefly or different from yours. Thank you again.
Thank you for your inputs. And happy to know that you could feel the different by adjust your own practice according some information provided by me. That's the objective of my video! To understand how some masters in the history could reach their level, we have to research their path... I think I will make a video to talk about this in the future.
Since you introduced him in class, Xue Dian as always fascinated me, his development in the style as much as his life. His approach to body mechanics seem to me more "natural" and more combat oriented than any other style of Chinese martial art. His life seems as intense as it is short. It seems like the true meaning of the saying "a light that shines twice as bright, burns twice as fast". Thank you for teaching us about him!
Yes, we did practice his style a long time ago. I think we have to know that even though many people in the martial art community do not appreciate the modern Wushu practice, but subconsciously, many people 's practice actually are copying or following the Wushu practice... this is why I think it is useful to introduce Xue Dian's practice...
excellent and profound lecture on XUE DIAN style... COMBAT STYLE resonates profoundly...your examples of opening chest joint -forward stance energy raises to crown-yin/yang dragon folding and cross stepping...seems to provide profound answers to questions I have been seeking...releasing fa jing... only a pure heart would release CLOSED DOOR PRACTICES to the world... practitioners of martial arts are like hairs on oxen; masters of martial arts are like horn on unicorn... a very special lecture M.H.Y. ... i like this style...provides answers to questions i have been seeking...THANK YOU
Thank you for sharing this information, you posess a rare knowledge of the internal arts and their history. It is a treasure to be able to learn more about the lives of past Masters, especially those who have not been given enough public attention. I recognize Xue Dian from pictures of him I have seen in the past, and I am happy to hear his story.
Thank you for your comments. In martial art practice, through years' of practicing and dealing with many members especially to those former generations, I have realized that by understanding how they practiced will help our own decision in choosing the right methods.
Wow!! Another awesome video, Sifu.. Thank you again, for your time doing these videos. So interesting to hear about Master Xue and his Art. So much to learn!!
Thank you for this very interesting and well crafted video. It is great to hear a modern outlook on the historical aspects of the development of these styles.
We have here yet one more Wonderful Clip by Master Hai Yang. Thank You again Master Yang for all these Wonderful Clips. I have to admit however, than Xing Yi Quan is the style I'm least familiar in comparison to Bagua and Tai Chi. And, in fact, my interest recently rekindled in these Internal Chinese Arts after I had not practiced Martial Arts for over 20 years. Also, I'd like to point out, after having done some research, that before Master Xue Dian and his Xiang Xing Shu, One Major branch of Xing Yi Quan had already put emphasis on Softness( Hardness hidden in Softness) as opposed to the Hardness( Softness hidden in Hardness) found in the more well known branch of Xingi Yi, the Hebei style of Xing Yi Quan. The "Shanxi" Province Xing Yi Quan is softer than other Xing Yi styles and, fascinatingly, uses an open Palm more often than the other Xing Yi styles--Just like Master Xue Dian's --Xiang Xing Shu. If I'm not mistaken, one of Master Di Guo Yong's--Di Guo Yong is a Famous teacher of Bagua and Xing Yi Quan in China and a founding member of the Beijing Xingyiquan Association--Teachers in Xing Yi, in addition to his teachers in the Hebei style, was from the "Shanxi style" and this( softness) comes thru in his Xing Yi Quan. Di Gouyoung Demonstrates 5 Elements Fist: ua-cam.com/video/-3I0EB7Usfo/v-deo.html In addition, some styles of Bagua teach a 64 hands( this is not to be confused with the 64 "Palms" in the Cheng style Bagua) Linear routine attributed to Liu Dekuan who studied with Dong Haichuan. This Bagua routine while similar to Xing Yi, is both softer and uses more open palms then the other Style. Master Zhang Quan Liang, studied under the famous Li Ziming, and is a 3rd Generation Master starting with Liang Zhenpu. While I'm not the biggest expert, it seems to me that his Linear Bagua( hardness hidden in Softness) is exceptionally good: Master Zhang Quan Liang demonstrates 64 hands: ua-cam.com/video/F3TExkcK4jM/v-deo.html Next, Master Liu Xiao Ling is originally from Shanghai, but makes his home now and teaches in Tekoma Park Maryland. Here Master Xiaoling Demonstrates his Linear Bagua--if I'm correct the Kneading(like Kneading Dough) found in this Form is a technique unique to Baguazhang. Next, here we have a good Demonstration of Shanxi Province Xing Yi Quan by several Masters of this Style, to me it looks like the first Master in the Clip uses an open Palm almost exclusively: Shanxi Province Xing Yi Quan: ua-cam.com/video/c9deW2aZlww/v-deo.html Last but not least: Master Li Gui Chang(1913-1999) was a popular teacher of the Shanxi Style of Xing Yi Quan: Master Gui Chang: ua-cam.com/video/ZE4snO6gOwY/v-deo.html
Thank you for your comment. To clarify something before I go further. 1, I said Xue Dian emphasized the hips and chest opening and closing movement, I did not say that Xue Dian focuses on softness or hardness and related topic. That is not my words. 2. Di Guoyong is not a Shanxi style practitioner at all. I know him in person. He practices Hebei style. 3, Sure, many Bagua have 64 hands. But I emphasized the 64 palms. 4, I know Liu Xiaoling in person, if you have any questions about his practice, I can ask him for you. 5, You post a lot of links of different Xingyi, I would like to know what do you want to express? I like your writing very much. But I have to point out some information may require further investigation. Again, thank you.
@@HaiYangChannel Good Morning Master Yang, I'm writing you this from NY's Catskill Mountains where I'm spending the July and August Summer months. I would like to clarify what I was trying to express in my earlier comments above: In one of your videos that introduce the practice of Baguazhang, you point out that Bagua, as it is practiced today, with the emphasis by many bagua styles on walking the Circle is a very recent creation---in other Words, if we do, indeed, take Dong Haichuan as the first generation Bagua Master, or that Dong Haichuan Created, or at least Organized this earlier Material into a uniquely recognized, organized system, than Baguazhang is less than a 150 years old. In this same video, intro to Baguazhang, you point out that one of the major "innovations" of this new Martial Art, is the "use of the Palm," whereas other older Martial Arts like Xing Yi Chuan, in the past, used mostly the Fist. Next, without elaborating to much, it is my personal opinion that the Fists used in Xing Yi, and the Palms used in Baguazhang are both "Symbols" of the different types of power emphasized in each respective Style. As you pointed out before( the clip on Zhang Zhaodong), in general, Xingi uses hard power( or soft hidden in hard) from the very beginning, whereas Bagua uses soft power( or hard hidden in soft) from the very beginning (however of course I understand that sometimes a fist can be soft and a palm can be hard, but the "symbolism" I point out--Palm Soft, Fist hard above still stands). Next, after looking at the clip again, you don't speak anywhere of Hard vs Soft in the Xue Dian Clip. However, you state clearly at 21:02 that one of the features of Xu Dian's 'Xiang Xing Shu' is the empahsis on the "open Palm." In other words, even though you didn't say explicitly in the Clip that Xu Dian's system is a "Soft system( or Hard hidden in soft), but by pointing out that Xu Dian's system makes use of the "Palm" much more than older Xing Yi styles, you 'implicitly' imply( even if this was not really your intention) that Xu Dian's system is Softer than traditional Xing Yi, or at least when it comes to some of the training methods used in this newer system. In fact, at the end of the Clip you Demonstrate the Dragon stance, and you Point out that unlike Xingi Yi which uses the more traditional Static Stance training, Xiang Xing Shu uses( in your own words) a more "Dynamic, Slow Motion Movement( at about 23:00). In other words, if you accept my assertion that the "Palm" is "Symbolic" of a softer approach than the Harder "Fists" than at the very least some of the "Training methods" used in Xu Dian's system are softer and slower than some of the training Methods used in the older Xing Yi System. I included those Clips on the Shanxi Xing Yi, to make the point that one major branch of traditional Xing Yi, which came much before Xiang Xu Shu, is most similar to Xu Dian's system as it seems to emphasize a more "Palm Like," or "softer" approach to Xing Yi. That is what I was trying to say when I posted the Clips with Master Li GuiChang who was, I read recently, a famous Master of the "Relatively" softer Shanxi Province Xing Yi style. Master Liu Guichang Pushes hands with his student( someone commented on bottom of this clip that it looks like the Wu Style Push hands more than Xing Yi, but I haven't found any evidence that Liu Guichang practiced any Tai Chi?): ua-cam.com/video/fqip0rw5q3A/v-deo.html My Original clip with Master Liu Gichang: ua-cam.com/video/ZE4snO6gOwY/v-deo.html Last but not least, to my untrained eye, Master Liu Xiaoling's Bagua seems to be a synthesis of Jiang Rong Qiao's Baguazhang( Jiang style) and our own Cheng style Bagua System: I'd be curious to know what Master Hai Yang opinion is about this?? Here is Liu Xiaoling in Action( interestingly he holds his elbows really high when doing holding Moon to Bosom Ding Shi Posture): Master Liu Xiaoling: ua-cam.com/video/5stGpFtIdZ4/v-deo.html
wow, it seems that you really spent a bit time on my channel. I like it since I guess you like my videos here, or you would spend so much time and energy to analyze my videos. I appreciate your efforts. However, the key point here that your conclusion is based on your assumption. For example, you believe that since palm is softer than fist, and there are more movements in Xue Dian's xiang Xing Shu with a palm posture, then, you put your words to my mouth by saying that my video implies that Xue Dian's practice is "softer"... in terms of logic, it is a totally wrong in practice. Please do not make any assumption by talking about different videos at the same time. Let's compare apple to apple:) Also, it seems that you prefer to write your statements without answering my previous questions including your incorrect information... if it is your style of commutation, then I would have any problem with it since it is your style, but it is very unique. Regarding Liu Xiaoling's practice, I watched the video and I like it. I will ask him about his elbow position question soon. By the way, how many years have you practiced martial art? It seems that you have invested a lot of energy and efforts into it. Thanks.
Excellent information. I am enjoying learning about the history. In your recent videos on Tai Chi, Bagua, and Xingyi you have referenced several books. I looked for them but could not find the books you mentioned. Do you have a suggestion where I can find these books online? Thanks again for the great videos!
Hello, those documents are all in Chinese. Are you looking for the Chinese edition? If so, there are some online book stores in China are selling these books. Also, Taiwan or Hong Kong must have some online stores as well. Thanks.
Hello, I will shoot the video in the fall season since we will be able to go back to our studio to work on it according to the local regulation during the COVID19 pandemic period. It will be ready in the fall season, i think. Thanks,
Had no idea of Xue Dian's involvement in a cult, that's really interesting. I recognise some of Xue Dian concepts in my own style, such as the dragon body and the twist in the San Ti. Is what you demonstrated in 20:00 a Beng Jin exercise? Will be incorporating that in my practice! The movement looks a little off balance for some reason, it's pretty surreal to see.
Thank You for sharing. Very very clear. I am so interested to learn. I have a question - it seems the area around Tianjin, Hebei, Baoding, Shanxi are very heavy with Shuaijiao practice, especially for military. Does this have any influence or inclusion in the styles of Xue Dian? Also this forward leaning combat structure seems to be standard / mandatory for proper throwing too, especially, for example, for most basic techniques, like, “Shou Bie” 😳
You asked me a very interesting question. I would like to share my experience of it. 1, there are 3 styles of Shuaijiao in China: Beijing style, Tianjin Style and Baoding (in Hebei province) style. There are some people practice Shuaijiao in other areas of China but not considered as a Shuaijiao "area". 2, People can apply martial art movements into Shuaijiao, such as Cheng style Bagua, or maybe some Xingyi movements. But they are not shuaijiao at all. We call it Shuaifa "摔法”---throwing or wrestling methods. 3, Shou Bie is a wrestling term, not a martial art term. The leaning posture in kungfu is different from its principle used in wrestling. I studied a bit Shuaijiao when I was a kid even though my family never permitted me to do it much... I hope it is helpful. Thanks,
Hello Thank you for the great teaching. I am training hebei style from the licunyi lineage and have been training very a very straight and vertical posture and have never felt like I am aligned. But this morning after watching this video and trying your advice on angling the body in Santishi which moves the upper body slightly of the vertical line I have realised that my shoulder/hip, elbow/knee and hand/foot are now perfectly aligned and my kwa is tucked in naturally as well as my alignment of weight down the back line and leg is much better. Is his the reason for the angling and slight lean forward? Thank you so much for the explanation and details
What I see from your student’s demonstration that you didn’t mention (please correct me if I’m wrong), this Xing Yi style also incorporates hard foot stomping like Baji Quan?
Fascinating and thank you for this, I picked up his book last time I was in Hong Kong, I liked his posture and the intensity and focus of his movement he must have been very special as a practitioner. The rotation that you demonstrated in the posture is that “ through the back “ ie “Tongbei “ ? also thanks for adding the background regarding those times in history as I had encounters with teachers that mentioned the “yiguandao “ but I never understood how it linked to Xingyi Chuan study.
Great to know that you have read his book before. The movement is not Tongbei, it is his Dragon Stance, a slow motion-exercise to practice the hip and chest...Yiguandao was a taboo before. Now, who cares:)
Hai Yang I wish I could read it , might sound odd but I really liked the pictures and the expression so I bought i. I find Xing Yi Chuan very interesting when I first asked to taught it I was told not to bother as it has “an ugly face” but thankfully I persisted and of the little that I know and practice has been most beneficial for both heath and mental focus and clarity, again thank you for sarin with the community.
Xingyiquan is a great style: practical, simple, and martial application oriented... it is not that nice "looking" compared to some others. But to those who know this style, it is a pretty nice one. Thanks.
Hi Master Yang, I realized I never thought about this question before. Does Xiang Xing Shu exclusively focus on barehands training, or does it include distinct weapons work also? Also, I like the historical perspective provided by the videos! Fred
It's an excellent question. Based on my knowledge, Xue Dian made Xiang Xing Shu by only focusing on bare-hands training. However, since it is a Xingyiquan extension, then any Xingyi weapons' training can be used as part of Xiang Xing Shu practice. Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing this important video. I read Xue Dian 1932 book, which I bought in Taiwan. As a Li Cunyi Branch practicioner, I was also very intrested in the story of Xue Dian and his involvement with Yiguandao. My teacher's teacher was Mr.- Zhang Junfeng 張俊峰 . He was also a member of Yiguandao in Tianjin. In 1948, after closing his fruit wholesale business, "Han Gong Qiu", he moved to Taiwan due to the turbulence in China.
i want to express to you how much I appreciate your willingness to share detailed knowledge with the Chinese Martial Arts community. Your videos have cleared up and corrected so many misconceptions and inaccuracies I had. Please continue sharing with all of us!
Much Thanks!!
Thank you for your comments and I appreciate that. Yes, I will find time to make more videos in the future.
Much gratitude for the video and sharing about XiangXing Shu. Responding to the “dragon body” method you demonstrated. Couple months after practicing XingYi 2 years ago, I realized how your movements were different compared to other learning materials I had. They had more “edge” and certain kind of explosiveness to it. I then tried to emulate how your body extends during the XueDian Style San Ti and Pi Quan demo from one of your older videos(it was an interview showing differences between Li CunYi, Zhang ZhaoDong, and Xue Dian with Pi/San Ti examples), and the results were amazing. Slightly turning around the hip provides the additional range of motion that I never expected. It promotes flexibility to my core and causes the movements to be more “snapping” and ”catapult” like.
Aside from that, it feels appropriate to understand who the founder of the martial arts you practice and their history, especially one with such exceptional mind that truly deserves wider recognition. It is very kind of you to share the personal accounts you have on Master Xue’s life, as they are very scarce, and the existing ones mentioned only briefly or different from yours. Thank you again.
Thank you for your inputs. And happy to know that you could feel the different by adjust your own practice according some information provided by me. That's the objective of my video! To understand how some masters in the history could reach their level, we have to research their path... I think I will make a video to talk about this in the future.
Thank you for this video, got so much intricate details on Xue Dian style., You the Man.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Since you introduced him in class, Xue Dian as always fascinated me, his development in the style as much as his life. His approach to body mechanics seem to me more "natural" and more combat oriented than any other style of Chinese martial art. His life seems as intense as it is short. It seems like the true meaning of the saying "a light that shines twice as bright, burns twice as fast". Thank you for teaching us about him!
Yes, we did practice his style a long time ago. I think we have to know that even though many people in the martial art community do not appreciate the modern Wushu practice, but subconsciously, many people 's practice actually are copying or following the Wushu practice... this is why I think it is useful to introduce Xue Dian's practice...
Im self taught and always practise upper body foward and overextended step, thanks for sharing the history and the forms
Thanks,
excellent and profound lecture on XUE DIAN style... COMBAT STYLE resonates profoundly...your examples of opening chest joint -forward stance energy raises to crown-yin/yang dragon folding and cross stepping...seems to provide profound answers to questions I have been seeking...releasing fa jing... only a pure heart would release CLOSED DOOR PRACTICES to the world... practitioners of martial arts are like hairs on oxen; masters of martial arts are like horn on unicorn... a very special lecture M.H.Y. ... i like this style...provides answers to questions i have been seeking...THANK YOU
You are very welcome. I hope more and more people in our community will know his name. Thanks.
Thank you for sharing this information, you posess a rare knowledge of the internal arts and their history.
It is a treasure to be able to learn more about the lives of past Masters, especially those who have not been given enough public attention.
I recognize Xue Dian from pictures of him I have seen in the past, and I am happy to hear his story.
Thank you for your comments. In martial art practice, through years' of practicing and dealing with many members especially to those former generations, I have realized that by understanding how they practiced will help our own decision in choosing the right methods.
Watching the last exercise put me direcly in the tai chi-state. Great. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
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thank you for sharing how to practice this!!!!!
i am very grateful
You're so welcome!
@@HaiYangChannel Hi, I was just wondering if you know if there is an english translation of Xue Dian's books?
Very interesting, that's why many xingyi masters practice bagua in order to solve the problem of stiffness.
Thanks .
Fantastic! Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this rare style.
My pleasure!
Wow, an amazing video! Thank you so much!
Thanks, you are very welcome.
期待杨老师更多关于象形术的分享，不要让薛颠大师的心血埋没。Thanks a lot!!!
肯定的，我慢慢弄。
Very interesting. Thank you for making these wonderful videos!
Glad you like them! it's my pleasure.
Wow!! Another awesome video, Sifu..
Thank you again, for your time doing these videos. So interesting to hear about Master Xue and his Art.
So much to learn!!
My pleasure!
Thank you for this very interesting and well crafted video. It is great to hear a modern outlook on the historical aspects of the development of these styles.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comments.
Power generation seems to tend towards being very short and quick. That may be why some folks get stiff doing it.
Thank you for your time master, I've been studying your explosive style of boxing since i first found you on you tube some 6 ,7 years ago 🌌☯️🌌
Thank you for your comments. I am happy to know that this channel can provide a bit help to you.
Спасибо Мастер
You are very welcome
Excellent... Thansk for share your knowleg...
My pleasure.
Really nice my friend, after you introduced Xue Dian to me long time ago, it turns him to be one of my CMA idol 😁
That was almost 19 years ago... Time passes so fast...
Yes hahaha, we both getting old now hahaha, wow, 19 years
We have here yet one more Wonderful Clip by Master Hai Yang. Thank You again Master Yang for all these Wonderful Clips. I have to admit however, than Xing Yi Quan is the style I'm least familiar in comparison to Bagua and Tai Chi. And, in fact, my interest recently rekindled in these Internal Chinese Arts after I had not practiced Martial Arts for over 20 years.
Also, I'd like to point out, after having done some research, that before Master Xue Dian and his Xiang Xing Shu, One Major branch of Xing Yi Quan had already put emphasis on Softness( Hardness hidden in Softness) as opposed to the Hardness( Softness hidden in Hardness) found in the more well known branch of Xingi Yi, the Hebei style of Xing Yi Quan.
The "Shanxi" Province Xing Yi Quan is softer than other Xing Yi styles and, fascinatingly, uses an open Palm more often than the other Xing Yi styles--Just like Master Xue Dian's --Xiang Xing Shu. If I'm not mistaken, one of Master Di Guo Yong's--Di Guo Yong is a Famous teacher of Bagua and Xing Yi Quan in China and a founding member of the Beijing Xingyiquan Association--Teachers in Xing Yi, in addition to his teachers in the Hebei style, was from the "Shanxi style" and this( softness) comes thru in his Xing Yi Quan.
Di Gouyoung Demonstrates 5 Elements Fist: ua-cam.com/video/-3I0EB7Usfo/v-deo.html
In addition, some styles of Bagua teach a 64 hands( this is not to be confused with the 64 "Palms" in the Cheng style Bagua) Linear routine attributed to Liu Dekuan who studied with Dong Haichuan. This Bagua routine while similar to Xing Yi, is both softer and uses more open palms then the other Style.
Master Zhang Quan Liang, studied under the famous Li Ziming, and is a 3rd Generation Master starting with Liang Zhenpu. While I'm not the biggest expert, it seems to me that his Linear Bagua( hardness hidden in Softness) is exceptionally good:
Master Zhang Quan Liang demonstrates 64 hands: ua-cam.com/video/F3TExkcK4jM/v-deo.html
Next, Master Liu Xiao Ling is originally from Shanghai, but makes his home now and teaches in Tekoma Park Maryland. Here Master Xiaoling Demonstrates his Linear Bagua--if I'm correct the Kneading(like Kneading Dough) found in this Form is a technique unique to Baguazhang.
Next, here we have a good Demonstration of Shanxi Province Xing Yi Quan by several Masters of this Style, to me it looks like the first Master in the Clip uses an open Palm almost exclusively:
Shanxi Province Xing Yi Quan: ua-cam.com/video/c9deW2aZlww/v-deo.html
Last but not least: Master Li Gui Chang(1913-1999) was a popular teacher of the Shanxi Style of Xing Yi Quan:
Master Gui Chang: ua-cam.com/video/ZE4snO6gOwY/v-deo.html
Thank you for your comment. To clarify something before I go further.
1, I said Xue Dian emphasized the hips and chest opening and closing movement, I did not say that Xue Dian focuses on softness or hardness and related topic. That is not my words.
2. Di Guoyong is not a Shanxi style practitioner at all. I know him in person. He practices Hebei style.
3, Sure, many Bagua have 64 hands. But I emphasized the 64 palms.
4, I know Liu Xiaoling in person, if you have any questions about his practice, I can ask him for you.
5, You post a lot of links of different Xingyi, I would like to know what do you want to express?
I like your writing very much. But I have to point out some information may require further investigation.
Again, thank you.
@@HaiYangChannel
Good Morning Master Yang, I'm writing you this from NY's Catskill Mountains where I'm spending the July and August Summer months.
I would like to clarify what I was trying to express in my earlier comments above: In one of your videos that introduce the practice of Baguazhang, you point out that Bagua, as it is practiced today, with the emphasis by many bagua styles on walking the Circle is a very recent creation---in other Words, if we do, indeed, take Dong Haichuan as the first generation Bagua Master, or that Dong Haichuan Created, or at least Organized this earlier Material into a uniquely recognized, organized system, than Baguazhang is less than a 150 years old.
In this same video, intro to Baguazhang, you point out that one of the major "innovations" of this new Martial Art, is the "use of the Palm," whereas other older Martial Arts like Xing Yi Chuan, in the past, used mostly the Fist.
Next, without elaborating to much, it is my personal opinion that the Fists used in Xing Yi, and the Palms used in Baguazhang are both "Symbols" of the different types of power emphasized in each respective Style. As you pointed out before( the clip on Zhang Zhaodong), in general, Xingi uses hard power( or soft hidden in hard) from the very beginning, whereas Bagua uses soft power( or hard hidden in soft) from the very beginning
(however of course I understand that sometimes a fist can be soft and a palm can be hard, but the "symbolism" I point out--Palm Soft, Fist hard above still stands).
Next, after looking at the clip again, you don't speak anywhere of Hard vs Soft in the Xue Dian Clip. However, you state clearly at 21:02 that one of the features of Xu Dian's 'Xiang Xing Shu' is the empahsis on the "open Palm."
In other words, even though you didn't say explicitly in the Clip that Xu Dian's system is a "Soft system( or Hard hidden in soft), but by pointing out that Xu Dian's system makes use of the "Palm" much more than older Xing Yi styles, you 'implicitly' imply( even if this was not really your intention) that Xu Dian's system is Softer than traditional Xing Yi, or at least when it comes to some of the training methods used in this newer system.
In fact, at the end of the Clip you Demonstrate the Dragon stance, and you Point out that unlike Xingi Yi which uses the more traditional Static Stance training, Xiang Xing Shu uses( in your own words) a more "Dynamic, Slow Motion Movement( at about 23:00). In other words, if you accept my assertion that the "Palm" is "Symbolic" of a softer approach than the Harder "Fists" than at the very least some of the "Training methods" used in Xu Dian's system are softer and slower than some of the training Methods used in the older Xing Yi System.
I included those Clips on the Shanxi Xing Yi, to make the point that one major branch of traditional Xing Yi, which came much before Xiang Xu Shu, is most similar to Xu Dian's system as it seems to emphasize a more "Palm Like," or "softer" approach to Xing Yi.
That is what I was trying to say when I posted the Clips with Master Li GuiChang who was, I read recently, a famous Master of the "Relatively" softer Shanxi Province Xing Yi style.
Master Liu Guichang Pushes hands with his student( someone commented on bottom of this clip that it looks like the Wu Style Push hands more than Xing Yi, but I haven't found any evidence that Liu Guichang practiced any Tai Chi?):
ua-cam.com/video/fqip0rw5q3A/v-deo.html
My Original clip with Master Liu Gichang:
ua-cam.com/video/ZE4snO6gOwY/v-deo.html
Last but not least, to my untrained eye, Master Liu Xiaoling's Bagua seems to be a synthesis of Jiang Rong Qiao's Baguazhang( Jiang style) and our own Cheng style Bagua System: I'd be curious to know what Master Hai Yang opinion is about this?? Here is Liu Xiaoling in Action( interestingly he holds his elbows really high when doing holding Moon to Bosom Ding Shi Posture):
Master Liu Xiaoling: ua-cam.com/video/5stGpFtIdZ4/v-deo.html
wow, it seems that you really spent a bit time on my channel. I like it since I guess you like my videos here, or you would spend so much time and energy to analyze my videos. I appreciate your efforts.
However, the key point here that your conclusion is based on your assumption. For example, you believe that since palm is softer than fist, and there are more movements in Xue Dian's xiang Xing Shu with a palm posture, then, you put your words to my mouth by saying that my video implies that Xue Dian's practice is "softer"... in terms of logic, it is a totally wrong in practice. Please do not make any assumption by talking about different videos at the same time. Let's compare apple to apple:)
Also, it seems that you prefer to write your statements without answering my previous questions including your incorrect information... if it is your style of commutation, then I would have any problem with it since it is your style, but it is very unique.
Regarding Liu Xiaoling's practice, I watched the video and I like it. I will ask him about his elbow position question soon.
By the way, how many years have you practiced martial art? It seems that you have invested a lot of energy and efforts into it. Thanks.
Excellent information. I am enjoying learning about the history. In your recent videos on Tai Chi, Bagua, and Xingyi you have referenced several books. I looked for them but could not find the books you mentioned. Do you have a suggestion where I can find these books online? Thanks again for the great videos!
Hello, those documents are all in Chinese. Are you looking for the Chinese edition? If so, there are some online book stores in China are selling these books. Also, Taiwan or Hong Kong must have some online stores as well.
Thanks.
Hai Yang Sifu when will you publish your online courses please? As mentioned on your website? Thank you
Hello, I will shoot the video in the fall season since we will be able to go back to our studio to work on it according to the local regulation during the COVID19 pandemic period. It will be ready in the fall season, i think. Thanks,
@@HaiYangChannel We are lucky whatsoever happens :)
Had no idea of Xue Dian's involvement in a cult, that's really interesting.
I recognise some of Xue Dian concepts in my own style, such as the dragon body and the twist in the San Ti. Is what you demonstrated in 20:00 a Beng Jin exercise? Will be incorporating that in my practice!
The movement looks a little off balance for some reason, it's pretty surreal to see.
Thank you for your comments. I hope you will benefit from the video.
Thank You for sharing. Very very clear. I am so interested to learn. I have a question - it seems the area around Tianjin, Hebei, Baoding, Shanxi are very heavy with Shuaijiao practice, especially for military. Does this have any influence or inclusion in the styles of Xue Dian?
Also this forward leaning combat structure seems to be standard / mandatory for proper throwing too, especially, for example, for most basic techniques, like, “Shou Bie” 😳
You asked me a very interesting question. I would like to share my experience of it.
1, there are 3 styles of Shuaijiao in China: Beijing style, Tianjin Style and Baoding (in Hebei province) style. There are some people practice Shuaijiao in other areas of China but not considered as a Shuaijiao "area".
2, People can apply martial art movements into Shuaijiao, such as Cheng style Bagua, or maybe some Xingyi movements. But they are not shuaijiao at all. We call it Shuaifa "摔法”---throwing or wrestling methods.
3, Shou Bie is a wrestling term, not a martial art term. The leaning posture in kungfu is different from its principle used in wrestling. I studied a bit Shuaijiao when I was a kid even though my family never permitted me to do it much...
I hope it is helpful.
Thanks,
Hello
Thank you for the great teaching. I am training hebei style from the licunyi lineage and have been training very a very straight and vertical posture and have never felt like I am aligned. But this morning after watching this video and trying your advice on angling the body in Santishi which moves the upper body slightly of the vertical line I have realised that my shoulder/hip, elbow/knee and hand/foot are now perfectly aligned and my kwa is tucked in naturally as well as my alignment of weight down the back line and leg is much better. Is his the reason for the angling and slight lean forward?
Thank you so much for the explanation and details
Yes, slight lean forward is a good way to generate power.
@@HaiYangChannel Thank you very much for your reply, I really appreciate. Have a great day
What I see from your student’s demonstration that you didn’t mention (please correct me if I’m wrong), this Xing Yi style also incorporates hard foot stomping like Baji Quan?
Btw, I always find your explanation very elaborately clear. Thank you 🙏🏼
Not like Baji at all. Different way to excuse the force... Thanks,
Fascinating and thank you for this, I picked up his book last time I was in Hong Kong, I liked his posture and the intensity and focus of his movement he must have been very special as a practitioner.
The rotation that you demonstrated in the posture is that “ through the back “ ie “Tongbei “ ? also thanks for adding the background regarding those times in history as I had encounters with teachers that mentioned the “yiguandao “ but I never understood how it linked to Xingyi Chuan study.
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oooo, i like tongbei (tongbeiquan)
Great to know that you have read his book before. The movement is not Tongbei, it is his Dragon Stance, a slow motion-exercise to practice the hip and chest...Yiguandao was a taboo before. Now, who cares:)
Hai Yang I wish I could read it , might sound odd but I really liked the pictures and the expression so I bought i. I find Xing Yi Chuan very interesting when I first asked to taught it I was told not to bother as it has “an ugly face” but thankfully I persisted and of the little that I know and practice has been most beneficial for both heath and mental focus and clarity, again thank you for sarin with the community.
Xingyiquan is a great style: practical, simple, and martial application oriented... it is not that nice "looking" compared to some others. But to those who know this style, it is a pretty nice one. Thanks.
🙏🏻🦉x10.
thanks,
Hi Master Yang,
I realized I never thought about this question before. Does Xiang Xing Shu exclusively focus on barehands training, or does it include distinct weapons work also?
Also, I like the historical perspective provided by the videos!
Fred
It's an excellent question. Based on my knowledge, Xue Dian made Xiang Xing Shu by only focusing on bare-hands training. However, since it is a Xingyiquan extension, then any Xingyi weapons' training can be used as part of Xiang Xing Shu practice. Thanks.
Thank you for this precision! :)
Laoshi can the person still be considered your friend, even if he didn't return something you lent to him?
Is it a question about martial art practice???
@@HaiYangChannel Its a question about the principles regarding martial arts? What is the point of martial arts if not for character development?