In 2002 - 2003, I was a tech rep for my US company in China (and Singapore). Our Chinese manufacturing partner was in Hangzhou, but our Chinese offices were in Shenzhen and Hong Kong where most of our Chinese sales were, so I had a chance to see the start of the development and innovation process this film so ably explains. What I saw back then blew me away, but when I got back Stateside no one would credit what I saw developing. The misunderstanding and complacency among my friends and business acquaintances was striking. Today we see the consequence of that sort of thinking. This film ought to be required viewing in our schools and communities. Thanks!
And this is sadly why the US has started to lag behind. It has been the dominant force for so long, it has just sat on its previous successes, not paying mind to other countries who are vying to be leaders in the market. Now they are starting to learn they still need to compete and not take their past achievements for granted
What you saw or remember, was largely created by U.S. companies (and their European, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean, and Singaporean counterparts). So I don't think there was any complacency since it was a product of the United States primarily (Silicon Valley, Austin, Seattle, Boston, Raleigh, NY, Irvine, LA, etc. etc. etc.) and Western Capitalism/Globalism/Innovation.
One amazing thing is that most of these "hardware engineers" in Huaqiangbei don't even have a college degree. They are from lower-class families. Yet Huaqiangbei provide them with the best opportunities, and they make great contributions to the China society and to the world.
They are not from 'lower-class', for China isn't like India, China doesn't have caste system deeply embedded, which enables the Chinese to join any group, learn any trade, do anything to survive, without any artificial barriers, and this has been the one thing that allows the Chinese to evolve, and evolve at a breathtaking pace. The present crop of the Chinese are also descendants of those who have managed to THRIVE despite multiple episodes of massive disasters, where large number of people died, for no reason. The Chinese, unlike those in the West, are not pampered. They have to find ways to earn a living, as the Chinese society, for thousands of years, never provide any 'social aid' for those so-called 'marginalized'.
Thomas Edison didn't finish high school. There's a lot you can learn from tinkering with devices. I took apart my law mower when I was younger just to understand it better. My Dad was not happy. But I then went to engineering school to learn more.
@@MoHiker69 Since you are the one who brings up the subject of 'diversity', could you kindly elaborate more on your notion of 'diversity'? I mean, *'diversity for the sake of diversity'= --- like the one being implemented in Western universities and colleges, where people with darker color skin (which ironically excluding the Indians) are getting unfair advantages on enrollments and on job placements --- just because the Western system needs them to be 'diversity token' (kinda like totem poles erected just for the sake of showing off) in their so-called 'diversified paradise'. If your definition of 'diversity' is of that kind, no thanks, the Chinese needs no pretentious 'diversity' that contributes exactly *NOTHING* to the advancement of the society. Meritocracy is the currency of the Chinese society --- and that has been the prevailing pattern in China for the past 3 thousand years, and Meritocracy will continue to be the one thing Chinese rely to move their society forward.
Makes sense. Indian here, and I also learnt a lot about my own country by watching many foreign documentaries about India. They also present a different perspective about the things that you see everyday.
because most white people cannot properly pronounce Chinese names such as "xu, cao, ju, etc" It is a really troublesome thing when you can't understand white people calling your name in a hilarious way. sum tin wong is a perfect example，you could try to use google to read 欣庭王 and compare it to sum tin wong.
It's required viewing , it must reach everyone in the world dozens of times until they actually let it play all the way through 5x's , lol ... you must believe China is good , China is great , China is intelligent , China is blah blah blah ... be sure to give this vid a like and it might go away from your auto play to be replaced with your next China propaganda lesson , lol ...
This video gave me a much wider perspective on the stereotypical "China-fake" products and made me realize how innovative the citizens of China truly are. Fantastic documentary.
danny thigiti Chinese "fake products" known as cloned are truly getting better and better all the times,only truly closely secret OS softwares and CPUs,GPUs are closed to clones because they're very expensive to produced and cloned.
danny thigiti LOL! They are the biggest country in the world and can't create anything only copy western products. And this documentary explains how westerners come to shenzhen to produce their Idea for cheaper capital
EA Bukvic It a lot easier to improved and copied an already existing products in world that are marketable and selling around the world already to make easy money.Instead producing a new unknown product that could failed to loses your capital investment in "RND"Research and true in the Development
This concept is both terrifying as an engineer and one of the best things to happen for humanity. As an engineer, I would be terrified to live there. To think that I would need to stay one step ahead of everyone else for the rest of my life in order to make any money is a scary concept. Sure, it promotes constant improvement of technologies which is great for the common good, but the concept of having to be the best to stay afloat is a very stressful one. Here in the US, it takes one real great invention or advancement to guarantee someones' financial future. In Shenzhen, you would need to do that every day. It's like having to find gold every time you swing a pickaxe.
I think that is why they are teaching 9yr old kids basic programming and circuitry. The way forward is to not see that constant strive for improvement as "Stressful" but as fulfilling.
Space Sloth It isn't even about being the best though. It's about being consistently the best. Day in and day out, you have to outperform everyone or become just another one of them. It goes beyond hard work or even being gifted and right into the territory of being an evolutionary anomaly.
I had the same thought. But come to think of it, does that make the world a better place? and Isn't it too overrated when you just made one shot and don't have to work for the entire life while others have to work their asses off? So inventing something is like buying a lotto? I think it should be something in the middle that your inventions made you some fortune like worth of a few years salary or something then I can live with that.
well, it SOUNDS nice... but we are talking about $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft from the united states. per year. for some reason that wasn't brought up.
How's it's BIRTH RATE ? Child Health ? A people, a nation, is not the technology - it is the families. Growing healthy families is the most important goal. Without families, a nation dies.
I can tell you the difference. Its gone completely cashless just mobile payment. You will see cops patrolling on the street, you feel super safe. VPN is getting harder and harder to use. I think thats all I could observe few month ago.
Hardware development is a wide area and therefore hard to answere but they are on top of everything you can imagine. Having been there recently it expanding beyond believe! So techwise anything you want, you'll find it. :-))
Microsoft: "Open source software will destroy the software industry" Microsoft in 2016: "Microsoft joins The Linux Foundation after years of open sourcing development tool technologies."
I live in Shenzhen and I am always amazed by what the city and its people are capable of. Innovation is key and open source is the answer. Keep moving forward Shenzhen.
Kenneth David II I hope all is well, my husband and I are in the engineering space and are visiting Hongkong for the holidays we are looking for innovative hubs to go and tour such as hacker & maker in Shenzhen, wondering if you had any suggestions thank you.
As someone who has lived and worked in the original Silicon Valley for 20 years and who has visited Shenzhen, I found this documentary captivating. So well made. I suppose I could be in the wrong circles, but I never hear anyone talking about the value of open source to the economy here from the outsiders perspective that was presented in this doc. This video really showcases the cultural differences between China and the U.S. when it comes to technological advancement and the subsequent blind spot we have here as a result.
I work in US and I don'tlike open source as a programmer ... for the same reason manufacturing workers dislike stuff made in China: it may benefits the general public but it makes my life harder by overwhelmingly new stuff to learn to keep my job.
The presenter may call it "open source", is because once upon a time, when public entities devolved their branch of the government into the commercial sector.. This became "open source".. but it is meant to be closed loop. Especially from outsiders' perspective. i.e. Cannot be obtained outside of the country. Exactly how is this "open source"? In today's areas.. this is classified as "terrorism" really ! It was not until Trump used those words that he did for his campaign did people click. Cos so many companies spend A LOT.. in order to obtain SOME privacies... The presenter is also using that terminology.. because China is also reforming.. and it refuses to classify which is private company's own assets.. and which are NOT private... and NOT public.. OR which is the militaries' !!! THIS is why.. we are in 1) lock down today... and 2) in a global chaos, cos they refuse to classify this !!!! So it means that... genuine communism can exist.. like..." I can walk into your office, and take this item, and it shall be mine." That is what genuine communism really is. I keep thinking to myself if they are creating a kind of keiretsu ..... like the Japanese.. but they aren't.
@@MeiinUK China is in "global chaos"? They are experiencing a Q2 downturn but not a full blown recession like the U.S. (w/o a lockdown). China is still the #2 world economy. The "open source" concept has led to many rapid advances that we don't see with copyrights...even/especially if it is restricted to China.
I live in Hong Kong and go into Shenzhen a few times a year, good to see the city moving up in the world; however there's no shortage of jealous haters especially in Hong Kong or were from Hong Kong who look down on the mainland Chinese, make excuses and want to see them fail....Mainland Chinese success magnify their own limit limitations and failures.
@Heather Larson, I don't think so. It was back in the times of 50s, 60s or 70s. May be some caucasians still think it that way nowadays. Even the mainland Chinese who have more international exposures aware that some white people are poorer and not as advanced as the Chinese, Singaporean, Korean, etc. It is not the same old days anymore. Hong Kongers did not look down mainland Chinese, they "look down", if you prefer this term, people who is poorer and cannot bring them benefits. It doesn't matter whether they are Chinese, Asians or Europeans.
Not this nonsense again. Hong Kong dwellers don't hate Chinese people. Culturally they are the same. How can you hate yourself? Mostly Hong Kong people's grandparents migrated from rural China. They have relatives there and visit frequently. They love China. They hate the Chinese government autocratic practices. Such as many Chinese people who move to Hong Kong, now they feel free enough to criticise the Mao government for stealing their property, burning down their homes, being marked as traitors and killing their relatives during the cultural revolution. These two things are very different and should not be confused.
@@qus.9617 "They hate the Chinese government autocratic practices" WTF! Those practices have achieved that China has managed to overcome the USA and Europe. Do you think the West is free? Do you believe in the foolish freedom of the West? By people who think like you, Russia was almost destroyed in the 90s, cheated by Hollywood movies. No doubt you are a big problem for China, I hope Hong Kong fools stay in their city "enjoying Western freedom" while China rises.
@@EnriqueVivancoH That we can agree on. I also have mainland friends who have had to work again from bottom up after having their home burned down, all their property taken away, had to stop teaching and find another job and their grandparents nearly killed. But at least they can air their pains in Hong Kong amongst friends.
@@EnriqueVivancoH Not being able to free your mind about the government is basically the beginning failure of a country. Hate is a big word, but some people can, and suppressing those emotions is always a big no no.
My career in the semiconductor industry spanned the 60's to early 2000's. Prior to the 90's patents were primarily enforced on significant process discoveries such as the "planar" process. During that era the argument that an engineer cannot be barred from applying their knowledge and skills to provide a livelyhood dominated. As a result engineers changed companies on average every 1.5 years spreading their knowledge and skills creating over 100 semiconductor companies in the process. The advancements in processes knowledge spread like wild fire through these companies. This began to change in the early 90's most famously when Lemelson patent attorneys began winning massive law suits forcing semiconductor companies to engage huge legal defense teams. Once these teams were in place the corporations incentivized thier engineers to patent all inovations to create a massive patent defensive wall to fend off the hoard. The engineers now could and would be seriously harmed if they passed proprietary knowledge to another company. This simultaneously improved corporate legal defense and reduced the passing of proprietary information between companies.
Thank you for your comment. What is your point of view regarding what you just said? ? What i mean is if you think this is better or not, how did this affect the industry in US?
Wow, very informative perspective from the inside. Along with the subsequent massive cuts and outsourcing that happened since the late '90s, this helps explaining why so many engineers went to China. IP law is the ISIS of the Western tech industry.
also they control the right to repair their products, so if your apple breaks, u have to go to the genius bar because they wont sell parts to third parties.
thank you for a succinct statement, My point of view is that it is difficult to accuse any one patent holder for stifling progress as hard earnt dollars go into the development of any technology, I can see their frustration, But is theirs a realistic stance when the Chinese and others steal that tech in a consequence free environment.
I watched this for school and I gotta say this is very well done. The cinematography, editing, and info is incredible. One of the better docs I've seen recently and definitely made me put Shenzhen on my list of places to experience.
I love the idea of open source hardware. What I think is wrong is when logos from the original company are placed on the "new" hardware. For open source hardware to work there needs to be a distinctive line between the original brand and copy cats.
I agree completely. I have no problem with knock-off iPhones, but I do have a problem with them still putting Apple's iconic bitten apple on the back. I especially have a problem with them putting it off-center. The one guy's comment about the hotel light-switches... It's absolutely perfect, and true. China has the manufacturing power to make the world's greatest products. Hell, they already DO make them, but their designers need to spend more time on the details. The little things make all the difference, really.
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CCP crushing the population, stealing the intellectual property from the world, Social Credit scaring people to death, Propaganda spouting "fake it 'til you make it" The Xianging province under attack building CONCENTRATION CAMPS by the Chinese Military, destroying Uygur families simply because they're Muslim. Shall I go on? THAT IS TODAY'S CHINA. And it will inevitably be quashed by the West.
grrr 。 no. old people and good at business ,also , like singpaore is totally a simlar country like Irseal . and chinese was killed in southeast aisa.. only difference, We han chinese keep the empire for 2000years and cilvicastion for at least 4000years. but jews lost their country 2000 years ago.
+WIRED UK Just did! I cannot wait. I was just un Shenzhen so seeing it from another perspective was interesting. There is a lot to tell about China so I hope you do.
the same thing happened with the wright brothers. they spent more time fighting people using their patents than innovating their invention to the point that the europeans leaped ahead by the 1920s by some margin.
True. But look at it from their shoes. To be labelled as the men who 'invented flying in the air indefinitely' (I know multiple people contributed) I would also fight tooth and nail for that recognition. Like being the country that designed the rocket that sent humans to the moon first.
@@devnull-dz3gj I can't say I agree that your comment was properly directed, though I have no issue with your comment in itself. I believe that there needs to be a perfect balance between working collectively for the group and for the individual. If one doesn't get the recognition they deserve or the incentive for their works, this creates catastrophic impact on the society they live in. Such as the dilemmas of communism which is an extreme example. If I'm doing a better job, than my colleague over there, why shouldn't I get more. My parents lived right next door to the largest communist country, and my grandparents came from there and although we were advantaged in many areas, we could observe the difference in work ethic and drive of our capitalistic society to their collective ideology. At one point, HK was worth 70-80% of the GDP in China. A whole result is a society that does the minimum required and strictly within the bounds of 'what the collective' needs. Sometimes it takes selfish drive. And going back to a personal question. If I do something well such as run well in a race, get best prize on the science fair why should I not claim it? Selfishness and personal cultivation is just as important to society. There's no doubt that there's thousands of inventors that contributed to the development of planes. The wrights only want their due recognition.
Couldn't agree more . This is US and European copyright/patent law in a nutshell. The West is so hyper obsessed with with owns what, that while we squabble over cents and ownership laws, the world is leaping ahead. Article 13 is the epitome of this. Asia is already leading the future, just look at their cities compared to our own. This is only going to get even more exaggerated if the West doesn't have a course correction, and soon.
who invented the airplane was A BRAZILIAN.......SANTOS DUMONT...FIRST TO BE AIRBONE WITHOUT A SLING....FIRST IN THE AIR...Not the wright brothers...you can google that....
Yassin Zao the world isn't black and white. I don't want absolute freedom to steal, and I don't want absolute strangleholds on IP. In fact, given your post, I'm probably closer to your point of view than I am to the point of view that you think I have. Freedom is great, and innovators should be able to take inspiration from other's designs. However, absolute freedom is not desirable. The freedom must be tempered by some small logical limits. But there is a big difference between saying: "wow, segway is great, and now that I know it is possible, I bet I could code the same thing" and stealing the code without modification, and putting it in your own unit, and being able to undercut the competition because you didn't have to invest millions of dollars in R&D. That's not hypothetical, that is what a chinese company did, and that is why segway eventually failed, and was sold off. It is just part of the $300,000,000,000 in IP theft that china perpetrates against the USA. Every year. And to be clear, I'm not calling the current IP system perfect. there are some reforms needed, like the bipartisan anti-patent troll bill currently in the house. But it is a much better system than the complete destruction of IP that this video advocates.
Probably a lot. They were historically, and I'm sure they are now. You must understand: Their parents work at these companies. They are exposed to it (as I was) at a very early age (5 or 6 years old, -some of them).
+tenminutetokyo: Sounds pessimistic, not agree with your surrender mentality . Best is to train our young kids and new graduate to out smart the "Asian industrial spies", recapture the lost market with new thinking !!
Elon Musk does not sit on patents. He open sources everything. Teach your kids how to build and repair robots. Those are the workers of the future. tenminutetokyo
I know, simple minded MIT grad's like Limor Fried. Opening her own business, makes products in NY, hires Americans and holds educational programs for kids. SMH, stupid Americans leading open source technologies and 3d printing, what fools!
A saying in China: If you want to see the history go to Beijing. If you want to see the present go to Shanghai. If you want to see the future go to Shenzhen.
what is the contact info of these small manufacturers to buy the iPhones or even the good quality knock offs for 100-700 yuan as im a small startup business looking for cheap good quality electronics like laptops, wireless network security cameras, projectors, and smartphones etc. can anyone help me out with manufacturers leads and contact info, id repay the help if the leads really pan out with a connection. please and thank you and god bless to you all.
It's hard to believe Shenzhen exists in 2019. It's like a bigger, slightly less dense HK with more people and variation. It's literally what you described. Textbook futuristic Tokyo cyberpunk!
@@KOTYAR0 not just that, mostly they replace the whole thing and you cant get a simple thing because everything that needs to be replaced has to be send in, just so that no one can do it cheap and easy at home and they can make you pay 300% more.
@Peter Do Oh, Mr. Coro, so glad to meet you. You have come to teach us to cooperate and learn to be healthy, also. I've have waited to meet you for so very long. You must have many friends who have lessons for us. We will do our best to prepare to meet them better than we were prepared to meet you. Thank you for all you have done for us.
@@sekainiheiwa3650 it’s a process......learning to live like a human😻I so loved the video. Do you think we can dump some of our obsession with copyrights and patents and just focus on sharing of info to make improvements? 🙏🏽 Today thought I heard that Trump is saying the USA must sue China for damages! The USA doesn’t belong to the ICC even! However this may be the best way to reveal the Truth about USA bioweapons research and develop. Truth must leak out for humanity to chose to live as Confucius recommends, no? Win-Win‼️❣️ Let’s celebrate Truth and Beauty🎉
That was superb. Bunnie Huang was a fucking fantastic tour guide. Such an knowledgeable, insightful and casual guy, I'd like to spend a week touring + hanging around with him and learning from him.
cragnog It was a highly biased look at the place. It's still a parts market and now if you go over there, you don't dare share any specifics about your projects unless you have a contract. They can try and justify theft all they want but it is still theft of people's ideas, time, and futures. Livelihoods have been lost to Confucius concepts of copying. Talk to anyone who has taught over there and they will tell you about how cheating is just the way it is done. China breeds no original thought or innovation.
R Sulli hmm, interesting. Im not sure that last line is fair to say. Everything else though, I can see that as I generally held that kind of view before this documentary. Im still fairly convinced about the virtues on the side of the coin presented here however. China is ridiculously massive though so I see endless scope for a lot of 'good' and 'bad' in anything. Intention and approach play a role in it for how I interpret a given example. I am also possibly biased myself as I would position myself in an open source camp in both form and culture/mind-set. I believe it is the way forward and though it is at the mercy of human greed, so is everything ever. Anyway my main point still stands, I'd like to hang out and explore with Mr Huang.
you wrong. contract won't cut it. if it lands in China, it spreads out like virus. Notice why they aren't making high-end medical equipments, airplanes, or even automobiles in China and bringing them back? Becuase other countries want to PROTECT their technology. MRJ is struggling with completion in Japan. Would you ride a jet made in China? Consumer electronics can go wrong, worst case it blows up and you are hurt. Transportation is another story. Medical equipment are another story. I will only say China is advanced in technology when they make their own advanced products. Being innovative is another aspect, but I don't even agree with that part either.
Excellent documentary - Shenzhen just became my number #travel destination to check out, and my perspective on Chinese quality and innovation has been effectively challenged.
thank god. As an *asian AMERICAN* Almost every american i meet pisses me off to no end when they never went to china and act like they know everythign about it. They only know how to spit out the ignorant shit CNN/western news media coverage which is almost always negative, EVEN IF CHINA DOES SOMETHIGN FUCKING BETTER THAN AMERICA- Wester News Media tries to downplay how successful china has become. It's hilarious how Americans take pride in free speech and free thought when in reality so much of news media is just as much propaganda as state funded news, except US news Media is owned by the top 1%.
weesh ful I am in opposition to IP laws as I believe they are implemented to enrich the few and stifle innovation. Clearly Shenzhen proves that point. Unfortunately, many like you believe that IP laws benefit society as a whole. They do not. They limit creativity and innovation and actually cost society due to its limiting nature. Read this article and get educated fee.org/articles/how-intellectual-property-hampers-the-free-market/
39:56 That probably the most accurate description of Shenzhen, well said. Great documentary. If you found this interesting, I suggest reading the book Zero to 1 by Peter Thiel. The 'west' comes up with new products (zero to 1) and country's like China go from 1 to infinity (making an existing product much better, cheaper etc.).
that's so fascinating. i wish i had been exposed to all those kind of tecnology and education back when i was a kid, now with 28y old im starting into this universe, and i love it so much,
it really is. you see a dude who looks like someone who came straight out of their farms talking about soldering ICs and copying IMEI and S/Ns while upgrading your storage, all for $100 or so and you're just like "wtf"
I love the concept of open source information and the freedom it provides for developers along with the potential for higher standards of living for more people. I am also very concerned about the overall ecology of our ever developing world. There has to be a balance there somewhere or we are doomed to fail. All this stuff produces enormous amounts of waste while consuming natural resources at an ever increasing rate. I would like to see that addressed as an equally important topic of concern as well, alongside prosperity. We can’t live like there’s no tomorrow or our children’s children will pay a heavy price for that in many ways. Take care, much love and good fortune.
all those will be solved faster than one can imagine. e.g., China makes more than half of all EV cars, and birth rate declines sharply....you see where it goes
My uncle is an executive at the company Spencer’s. He is in charge of the electronics department. He was behind those laser light shows, or water-speakers. He told me he travels to China to get these products into spencers. Yet that seemed new to us.
@Todasi Nengo I am his uncle and can verify my nephew smokes pole like u wouldn't believe. Nevermind Chinese tech. The way this kid smokes pole is just unequivocal compared to the west.
Yeah he's like a poser, the guy has the star of david as a necklace - why would a chinese guy have a necklace of the symbol for the jewish religion? That's like having a Jew wearing a Christian necklace. lmfao.
My travels to China for work took me to many low tech factories (some within an hour drive from where this was filmed). It was refreshing, but also a bit scary, to see some high tech innovation and design from Chinese factories. I've always thought that China can figure out how to make anything, but they struggle in design and especially in forward thinking innovation. It looks like things are changing.
It's interesting to think about how different cities can specialize in certain technologies. For example - Shenzhen in hardware, Boston in biotech, New York in fintech, etc.
The most influential piece in my entire life. Watched this over and over again until I could convince myself to get out there and help others with other neurodivergent abilities. My how far things have come in 5 years. Absolutely amazing and if there's ever an update please let me know!!
After you spend months or years on your invention you will take it to Shenzhen to get it manufactured. When 20 companies copy/steal/liberate your invention, how will you feel?
@@tomrecane6366 well , you can make one off profit but don'e expect live on that for your whole life, that's lazy thought, isn't it? every one make things better upon previous knowledge provided by others, if you prevent it from others to make thing better base on your achievement, its not a good scientific way!
@@sy3934 "Lazy" is not a word that can be applied to most entrepreneurs. It takes time, money and hard work to bring a product to market. If the product will be stolen before a profit can be made then why bring it to market? Why bother inventing anything? Without those inventions, what will happen to Chinas economy? This is not just about China. Most countries have cheated in the past. Then they discover it is in their best interest not to. If China aspires to be anything but the worlds sweatshop it will discover this too.
@Johnson Long as an American programmer, it's definitely possible and believable for an eight year old to code hardware. lots of kids around the world begin coding with simple robots. doubt this is fake
@@arbaz79 The light switches on the wall @ 1:05:50 they are misaligned. In a 5 star hotel they should be all perfectly straight and level. Attention to detail.
That is what puts me off about China. There is no quality and craftmanship. It's all wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Even places where the Chinese president is giving speeches, place looks cheap.
It's time to rethink economics, incentive structures, and funding. As an economics major, why would I research ways to eradicate poverty as a scholar when I can make 10x that researching equities markets on wall street? As a physics masters, why would I research advanced technology in academia when I can help develop trading algorithms for 20x the salary? Why would I opt to get paid $45k as a PhD student when I know salespeople making over $100k?
Because you have a conscience/principles and believe in HUMANITY, not just MATERIALISM? That said, like most people out there who suddenly got "illuminated" in mid-life/mid-career, you can always go one route, then switch to the other and still make money by becoming a hero(in). People love to listen/read about that sort of BS "reinventing myself" mythology from BS scammy (wo)men. A bit like the "Rich dad poor dad" dude out there who keeps ripping his audience off to make a living. All the best.
Yes, pretend your capable of studying any of things while not realizing that you're advocating for your own slavery. Just wanna bring everyone else down with ya huh?
Boy, what I learned about Shenzen! I have ordered electronic parts from there and never knew that a a small vendor from a great city responded to my needs. Thanks for a great video, great narration, great scenes!
Hard working people created their own beautiful life. Together they made this city special and made China more and more modern. China is not perfect but some parts of China is amazing. Proud and moving by the ordinary people.
One theory this documentary throws around is that by throwing away copyright and patent laws, people can still innovate and make profits on their innovations. . by simply disregarding the knock-offs and always upping the quality and level of innovation on your product until you build up brand recognition and people automatically choose your brand. It's an interesting theory but I don't know if I have seen it in practice. The most popular brands, even in China are among the fiercest protectors of their I.P. Also you can look at the effect of loose I.P. laws on Chinese animation for example. Most Chinese youth prefer Japanese, American or Korean animations. The main reason CHinese animations are of such poor quality is because there is no money to be made. . animation relies licensing deals of the characters and I.P. in order to be profitable. Without that profit there is no motivation to create great animation. As a result most animation studios just seek out "overseas" work and China has a big vacuum in their "soft power" (cultural and media influence).
Daniel Tynan this is the true definition of a free market. Innovate or sink. Not having few big companies monopolizing everything giving you false illusion of brand choices.
That is an insightful comment. I am not sure of disregarding copyright and patent laws, but I can think of a few companies that have become successful through brand recognition. ASUS is a company that built affordable, albeit lower quality products in the beginning. However, since they were affordable and better value (i.e. perceived value exceeds cost), many people began to trust ASUS as the brand to choose when you needed an affordable product to fit your needs. In that way, they were successful. As the saying goes, success begets success. Now they are one of the most trusted brands producing some of the higher tier quality computing products. Then again, I.P. is a different story. Perhaps there's an analogous theory that might explain a connection.
As a 3d artist for over a decade what are you comparing are apple and oranges. Quality IS the best marketing tool for anything in general, and they all know this in there, in Shenzen, and if you listen to what they said is that by making knockoffs of high end products they are targeting a market who is not in the target of the original brand anyway because that medium class it can not afford the original product and doing so the big names are forced to innovate themselves at the same time to gain new territory. Regarding the animations, that is something totally different, that is art and art has different styles, and Chinese animations have a totally different style then Japanese and i know many amazing 3d Chinese artists doing amazing animations and also amazing 2d drawings. What are they doing there is a naturals selection ecosystem for the products to evolve. The good ones will manage to go further and gain more upgrades while the bad ideas will be forgotten and recycled, outside the birocratic paperwork of IP jungle. Of course that when a product has reached a certain level of maturity they will be more protected but also forced to further innovate. The mentality that you have an ideea who makes you rich and then just collect money all your life from it is wrong, completely wrong in animation in 3d or hardware or anything.
In tech it kinda works but remember big companies may also exploit that and steal solutions from small players and use their makreting to be more visible. This kills the chances for a small player to develop a brand.
the whole " documentary " seems to hammer the point " ripping off other's innovation is good " . but if every one starts ripping off , who will innovate. what is the reward of innovating ?
US has one of the strictest patent laws in the world. China has none. Chinese Govt actively encourages stealing of intellectual property. US govt protects intellectual property. US will remain the hub of innovation & China will remain the hub of cheep knock offs. if you encourage stealing , there is no reward of innovation.
me before watching this video : ugh fake chinese tech me after watching this video : wtf i want a fake chinese iphone running android with a replaceable battery and memory card slot for 70 bucks
I discovered there are plenty of websites that sell these phones, only issue I had is the shipping can be... Lacking compared to modern standards. The tech is decent but you will also encounter weird flaws or features if you don't research thoroughly. Anyway, I used a site called gear best iirc, decent prices for all kinds of weird electronics
My mother bought Chinese mobile may be around 2000 nepali rupee which is around 16 AUD, that mobile lasted for 3 years even it was left on rain whole night...
paul arnold Middle Class is the same standard around the world,there no difference between China’s Middle Class and US ones although Chinese average income is less than American.And China has the most billionaires.That why China’s PPP is top of the world since 2010.
paul arnold Middle class is measured on the quality of life, not by GPD per capita. A member of the Chinese middle class would live a similar lifestyle in terms of economic freedom, job security, and health as an American one.
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So cool.....Personally I don't care if my fone has an apple or a bannana logo if it works well it works well ..good for them ,just wish we had such choices here in UK...
Videos like these are pretty eye-opening about perspectives of different cultures. On the one hand, there's some 1984 stuff going on in China with the social credit system as well as horrible detention of Uyghurs in western China. On the other hand, there is really admirable stuff going on in the tech communities of China that really benefit the Chinese middle class and technological innovation in general. It's interesting seeing China from multiple perspectives, not that it should downplay their authoritarianism.
At the very least China works on transparency. If you just observe the increasing Internet freedom from a decade ago it becomes undeniable. I.e I used to goto Shenzhen for business and I couldn't access Snapchat, now I easily can, I did a few weeks ago. Also, the growing debate forums for local officials and projects are becoming evermore apparent, you can see the rising level of freedom citizens are granted. However, as you said, this does not justify limiting their freedoms as much as they do now, but one must realize the change the country's gone through since Mao's era right?
WOW this city is exactly like the cyberpunk future like the creator of Akira imagined. Instead of shucking corn, the cyber villagers shucking old smartphones for their rare earth elements.
As an american living in Shanghai China watching this on a VPN; I know there's a million dollar opportunity right in front of my face. How do I put 2 and 2 together here people?
T.D.M. More Than A Movement responding is not my thing. A year later of your comment, have you found your million dillar idea and if yes but havent exuted please give information perhaps its something I could execute...
The bed information projection display uses the same hand gestures as Minority Report; it's amazing. Shenzhen is like a magnet for my engineering soul.
In 2002 - 2003, I was a tech rep for my US company in China (and Singapore). Our Chinese manufacturing partner was in Hangzhou, but our Chinese offices were in Shenzhen and Hong Kong where most of our Chinese sales were, so I had a chance to see the start of the development and innovation process this film so ably explains. What I saw back then blew me away, but when I got back Stateside no one would credit what I saw developing. The misunderstanding and complacency among my friends and business acquaintances was striking. Today we see the consequence of that sort of thinking. This film ought to be required viewing in our schools and communities. Thanks!
Wonder what you saw back in 2002-2003 that blew you away.
Tf you talking about 😂
And this is sadly why the US has started to lag behind. It has been the dominant force for so long, it has just sat on its previous successes, not paying mind to other countries who are vying to be leaders in the market. Now they are starting to learn they still need to compete and not take their past achievements for granted
What you saw or remember, was largely created by U.S. companies (and their European, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean, and Singaporean counterparts). So I don't think there was any complacency since it was a product of the United States primarily (Silicon Valley, Austin, Seattle, Boston, Raleigh, NY, Irvine, LA, etc. etc. etc.) and Western Capitalism/Globalism/Innovation.
..and who cares
One amazing thing is that most of these "hardware engineers" in Huaqiangbei don't even have a college degree. They are from lower-class families. Yet Huaqiangbei provide them with the best opportunities, and they make great contributions to the China society and to the world.
They are not from 'lower-class', for China isn't like India, China doesn't have caste system deeply embedded, which enables the Chinese to join any group, learn any trade, do anything to survive, without any artificial barriers, and this has been the one thing that allows the Chinese to evolve, and evolve at a breathtaking pace.
The present crop of the Chinese are also descendants of those who have managed to THRIVE despite multiple episodes of massive disasters, where large number of people died, for no reason.
The Chinese, unlike those in the West, are not pampered. They have to find ways to earn a living, as the Chinese society, for thousands of years, never provide any 'social aid' for those so-called 'marginalized'.
I know what u want to say. They are poor families but not lower-class families. Please revise it.
Thomas Edison didn't finish high school. There's a lot you can learn from tinkering with devices. I took apart my law mower when I was younger just to understand it better. My Dad was not happy. But I then went to engineering school to learn more.
@@bukanbuta7401 Ahh but where is the diversity in China? Everyone knows that diversity is strength....
@@MoHiker69 Since you are the one who brings up the subject of 'diversity', could you kindly elaborate more on your notion of 'diversity'?
I mean, *'diversity for the sake of diversity'= --- like the one being implemented in Western universities and colleges, where people with darker color skin (which ironically excluding the Indians) are getting unfair advantages on enrollments and on job placements --- just because the Western system needs them to be 'diversity token' (kinda like totem poles erected just for the sake of showing off) in their so-called 'diversified paradise'.
If your definition of 'diversity' is of that kind, no thanks, the Chinese needs no pretentious 'diversity' that contributes exactly *NOTHING* to the advancement of the society.
Meritocracy is the currency of the Chinese society --- and that has been the prevailing pattern in China for the past 3 thousand years, and Meritocracy will continue to be the one thing Chinese rely to move their society forward.
The rate at which they realize a concept/product is unmatched. Very informative video.
It's always a funny thing that as a Chinese, I learned quite a lot about China from these kinds of documentary produced by foreigners.
Qing Yao That's crazy friend.
Makes sense. Indian here, and I also learnt a lot about my own country by watching many foreign documentaries about India. They also present a different perspective about the things that you see everyday.
Qing Yao, did you know that the united states loses $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft every year?
The first step to innovation is to copy and learn, just saying
because most white people cannot properly pronounce Chinese names such as "xu, cao, ju, etc" It is a really troublesome thing when you can't understand white people calling your name in a hilarious way. sum tin wong is a perfect example，you could try to use google to read 欣庭王 and compare it to sum tin wong.
it is amazing where utube autoplay brings me when i fall asleep!!!
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Omg this happened to me with this one just now 😂😂😂😂
This happened to me too
It's required viewing , it must reach everyone in the world dozens of times until they actually let it play all the way through 5x's , lol ... you must believe China is good , China is great , China is intelligent , China is blah blah blah ... be sure to give this vid a like and it might go away from your auto play to be replaced with your next China propaganda lesson , lol ...
Good night or morning
This video gave me a much wider perspective on the stereotypical "China-fake" products and made me realize how innovative the citizens of China truly are. Fantastic documentary.
danny thigiti Chinese "fake products" known as cloned are truly getting better and better all the times,only truly closely secret OS softwares and CPUs,GPUs are closed to clones because they're very expensive to produced and cloned.
Changed my view on the whole no copyright thing, it pushes innovation instead of lawsuits.
danny thigiti LOL! They are the biggest country in the world and can't create anything only copy western products. And this documentary explains how westerners come to shenzhen to produce their Idea for cheaper capital
EA Bukvic It a lot easier to improved and copied an already existing products in world that are marketable and selling around the world already to make easy money.Instead producing a new unknown product that could failed to loses your capital investment in "RND"Research and true in the Development
Likewise. Well done,great documentary.
Holy cow! Half way through I realized it was filmed almost 5 yr ago. Would love to watch a follow up video by Wired.
hey man i was thinking the same thing
yeah me too. I was going to do some google searches as to it's current conditions, especially since covid.
Well, they shut it down lately so .....
@@dontblattme7227 the whole city!?! 🙃😇😂
Same! With China's economy growth speed I really want to see what's happened AND with the pandemic complicating things if anything has changed.
This concept is both terrifying as an engineer and one of the best things to happen for humanity. As an engineer, I would be terrified to live there. To think that I would need to stay one step ahead of everyone else for the rest of my life in order to make any money is a scary concept. Sure, it promotes constant improvement of technologies which is great for the common good, but the concept of having to be the best to stay afloat is a very stressful one. Here in the US, it takes one real great invention or advancement to guarantee someones' financial future. In Shenzhen, you would need to do that every day. It's like having to find gold every time you swing a pickaxe.
I think that is why they are teaching 9yr old kids basic programming and circuitry. The way forward is to not see that constant strive for improvement as "Stressful" but as fulfilling.
yeah, that's a form of meritocracy, where the best of the best are rewarded
Space Sloth It isn't even about being the best though. It's about being consistently the best. Day in and day out, you have to outperform everyone or become just another one of them.
It goes beyond hard work or even being gifted and right into the territory of being an evolutionary anomaly.
I had the same thought. But come to think of it, does that make the world a better place? and Isn't it too overrated when you just made one shot and don't have to work for the entire life while others have to work their asses off? So inventing something is like buying a lotto? I think it should be something in the middle that your inventions made you some fortune like worth of a few years salary or something then I can live with that.
well, it SOUNDS nice...
but we are talking about $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft from the united states.
per year.
for some reason that wasn't brought up.
They found a really good guy to have as the main interviewee - what a resource, he puts together the big picture so well.
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What a coincidence! Good thing he had all the right answers. Brilliant. China is perfect
They should hire you guys to direct new DC movies cuz you guys have made this documentary so beautifully engrossing.
James Austria True, also the music.
Yes this was one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. The shots were great too
This was incredible to watch, really changed how I see China and it’s manufacturing capabilities. Thank you so much!
Can we have a sequel to this documentary. Let's revisit Shenzhen in 2019 and see how far along the city, its people and hardware development has come.
How's it's BIRTH RATE ? Child Health ? A people, a nation, is not the technology - it is the families. Growing healthy families is the most important goal. Without families, a nation dies.
I can tell you the difference. Its gone completely cashless just mobile payment. You will see cops patrolling on the street, you feel super safe. VPN is getting harder and harder to use. I think thats all I could observe few month ago.
58:27 they have no sun... no sun, no life.
Hardware development is a wide area and therefore hard to answere but they are on top of everything you can imagine. Having been there recently it expanding beyond believe! So techwise anything you want, you'll find it. :-))
Bloomberg already made a documentary of schenzhen 2019
ua-cam.com/video/taZJblMAuko/v-deo.html
Microsoft: "Open source software will destroy the software industry"
Microsoft in 2016: "Microsoft joins The Linux Foundation after years of open sourcing development tool technologies."
lol
join them if you can't beat them
thank Satya for that :)
Yes, AFTER Microsoft made many billions, became a household name and widely diversified its product offerings beyond operating systems.
And started losing market share in the server space too
I live in Shenzhen and I am always amazed by what the city and its people are capable of. Innovation is key and open source is the answer. Keep moving forward Shenzhen.
Kenneth David II I hope all is well, my husband and I are in the engineering space and are visiting Hongkong for the holidays we are looking for innovative hubs to go and tour such as hacker & maker in Shenzhen, wondering if you had any suggestions thank you.
How much does it cost living there?
Innovation is not copying ideas and passing them off as originals. Wtf are you talking about?
@@Gdub33 these people are psycho
@@Gdub33 smartest westoid
As someone who has lived and worked in the original Silicon Valley for 20 years and who has visited Shenzhen, I found this documentary captivating. So well made. I suppose I could be in the wrong circles, but I never hear anyone talking about the value of open source to the economy here from the outsiders perspective that was presented in this doc. This video really showcases the cultural differences between China and the U.S. when it comes to technological advancement and the subsequent blind spot we have here as a result.
Perhaps open source is viewed more favorably in Shenzhen because they look to iterate rather than innovate.
I work in US and I don'tlike open source as a programmer ... for the same reason manufacturing workers dislike stuff made in China: it may benefits the general public but it makes my life harder by overwhelmingly new stuff to learn to keep my job.
@@razrgu3838 Well, this must be even worse in China, correct? If everyone is using open source there.
The presenter may call it "open source", is because once upon a time, when public entities devolved their branch of the government into the commercial sector.. This became "open source".. but it is meant to be closed loop. Especially from outsiders' perspective. i.e. Cannot be obtained outside of the country. Exactly how is this "open source"? In today's areas.. this is classified as "terrorism" really ! It was not until Trump used those words that he did for his campaign did people click. Cos so many companies spend A LOT.. in order to obtain SOME privacies... The presenter is also using that terminology.. because China is also reforming.. and it refuses to classify which is private company's own assets.. and which are NOT private... and NOT public.. OR which is the militaries' !!! THIS is why.. we are in 1) lock down today... and 2) in a global chaos, cos they refuse to classify this !!!! So it means that... genuine communism can exist.. like..." I can walk into your office, and take this item, and it shall be mine." That is what genuine communism really is.
I keep thinking to myself if they are creating a kind of keiretsu ..... like the Japanese.. but they aren't.
@@MeiinUK China is in "global chaos"? They are experiencing a Q2 downturn but not a full blown recession like the U.S. (w/o a lockdown). China is still the #2 world economy. The "open source" concept has led to many rapid advances that we don't see with copyrights...even/especially if it is restricted to China.
I live in Hong Kong and go into Shenzhen a few times a year, good to see the city moving up in the world; however there's no shortage of jealous haters especially in Hong Kong or were from Hong Kong who look down on the mainland Chinese, make excuses and want to see them fail....Mainland Chinese success magnify their own limit limitations and failures.
@Heather Larson, I don't think so. It was back in the times of 50s, 60s or 70s. May be some caucasians still think it that way nowadays. Even the mainland Chinese who have more international exposures aware that some white people are poorer and not as advanced as the Chinese, Singaporean, Korean, etc. It is not the same old days anymore. Hong Kongers did not look down mainland Chinese, they "look down", if you prefer this term, people who is poorer and cannot bring them benefits. It doesn't matter whether they are Chinese, Asians or Europeans.
Not this nonsense again. Hong Kong dwellers don't hate Chinese people. Culturally they are the same. How can you hate yourself? Mostly Hong Kong people's grandparents migrated from rural China. They have relatives there and visit frequently. They love China. They hate the Chinese government autocratic practices. Such as many Chinese people who move to Hong Kong, now they feel free enough to criticise the Mao government for stealing their property, burning down their homes, being marked as traitors and killing their relatives during the cultural revolution. These two things are very different and should not be confused.
@@qus.9617 "They hate the Chinese government autocratic practices" WTF! Those practices have achieved that China has managed to overcome the USA and Europe.
Do you think the West is free? Do you believe in the foolish freedom of the West? By people who think like you, Russia was almost destroyed in the 90s, cheated by Hollywood movies. No doubt you are a big problem for China, I hope Hong Kong fools stay in their city "enjoying Western freedom" while China rises.
@@EnriqueVivancoH That we can agree on. I also have mainland friends who have had to work again from bottom up after having their home burned down, all their property taken away, had to stop teaching and find another job and their grandparents nearly killed. But at least they can air their pains in Hong Kong amongst friends.
@@EnriqueVivancoH Not being able to free your mind about the government is basically the beginning failure of a country. Hate is a big word, but some people can, and suppressing those emotions is always a big no no.
My career in the semiconductor industry spanned the 60's to early 2000's. Prior to the 90's patents were primarily enforced on significant process discoveries such as the "planar" process. During that era the argument that an engineer cannot be barred from applying their knowledge and skills to provide a livelyhood dominated. As a result engineers changed companies on average every 1.5 years spreading their knowledge and skills creating over 100 semiconductor companies in the process. The advancements in processes knowledge spread like wild fire through these companies. This began to change in the early 90's most famously when Lemelson patent attorneys began winning massive law suits forcing semiconductor companies to engage huge legal defense teams. Once these teams were in place the corporations incentivized thier engineers to patent all inovations to create a massive patent defensive wall to fend off the hoard. The engineers now could and would be seriously harmed if they passed proprietary knowledge to another company. This simultaneously improved corporate legal defense and reduced the passing of proprietary information between companies.
Thank you for your comment. What is your point of view regarding what you just said? ? What i mean is if you think this is better or not, how did this affect the industry in US?
@@khepery This is adverse for the world! Big companies hoarding technology to keep the prices artificially up!
Wow, very informative perspective from the inside. Along with the subsequent massive cuts and outsourcing that happened since the late '90s, this helps explaining why so many engineers went to China.
IP law is the ISIS of the Western tech industry.
also they control the right to repair their products, so if your apple breaks, u have to go to the genius bar because they wont sell parts to third parties.
thank you for a succinct statement, My point of view is that it is difficult to accuse any one patent holder for stifling progress as hard earnt dollars go into the development of any technology, I can see their frustration, But is theirs a realistic stance when the Chinese and others steal that tech in a consequence free environment.
I watched this for school and I gotta say this is very well done. The cinematography, editing, and info is incredible. One of the better docs I've seen recently and definitely made me put Shenzhen on my list of places to experience.
lol you will not visit any time soon... good lucky getting in and once there leaving.
@@raymaster ?
it's 6 years since this video came out and kind of feels like we're in a bit of slow growth when it comes to innovation in technology
This is one of those cyberpunk cities of the future
Anime (to some degree) is becoming reality
can hack Ur country easily aha just kiding
I agree. It reminded me of the same. Pretty wild!
its basically that One far advance city in science fiction that we always see thats always been far ahead of the world.
If you watch the original Blade Runner, you'll see a striking parallel
I wish wired made more documentaries like this. Its fantastic.
I love the idea of open source hardware. What I think is wrong is when logos from the original company are placed on the "new" hardware. For open source hardware to work there needs to be a distinctive line between the original brand and copy cats.
I agree completely. I have no problem with knock-off iPhones, but I do have a problem with them still putting Apple's iconic bitten apple on the back. I especially have a problem with them putting it off-center. The one guy's comment about the hotel light-switches... It's absolutely perfect, and true. China has the manufacturing power to make the world's greatest products. Hell, they already DO make them, but their designers need to spend more time on the details. The little things make all the difference, really.
Tomos Brenchley I totally agree with u.
Exactly. That's deceptive, hard core stealing;
It's still stealing even if you don't use the original company's logo.
China is a thief.
@@RedRider1600 oh no the poor billionaires, how will they ever recover?
Probably the best video on UA-cam in terms of setting context and telling a story. Thank you.
This was in 2016. I can't imagine today in 2020
Pretty much the same except the housing is 50% more expensive, maybe.
Covid19 .... They couldn't imagine it then ;-P
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@Fei Long 黄飞龙 应该还有新增案例吧，只是比美国控制的好很多…
CCP crushing the population, stealing the intellectual property from the world, Social Credit scaring people to death, Propaganda spouting "fake it 'til you make it" The Xianging province under attack building CONCENTRATION CAMPS by the Chinese Military, destroying Uygur families simply because they're Muslim. Shall I go on? THAT IS TODAY'S CHINA. And it will inevitably be quashed by the West.
45:16 the most thuggish tech boss I've ever seen
hes spot on about the light switches and china products
he is a Jew
Rastko Palikuca lots of Chinese admire jews so like to wear necklaces of jews.. we have same density.
旅游帝 but not zionism, right?
grrr 。 no. old people and good at business ,also , like singpaore is totally a simlar country like Irseal . and chinese was killed in southeast aisa.. only difference, We han chinese keep the empire for 2000years and cilvicastion for at least 4000years. but jews lost their country 2000 years ago.
I have really enjoyed this series. Please do more on China!
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+WIRED UK Just did! I cannot wait. I was just un Shenzhen so seeing it from another perspective was interesting. There is a lot to tell about China so I hope you do.
these are series???! great!!!
You should do one about the green technology and pollution in China
they should do one on how the chinese are underreporting the C-virus deaths
Really appreciate all the efforts that must have been gone behind such a deep insight into a city.
the same thing happened with the wright brothers. they spent more time fighting people using their patents than innovating their invention to the point that the europeans leaped ahead by the 1920s by some margin.
True. But look at it from their shoes. To be labelled as the men who 'invented flying in the air indefinitely' (I know multiple people contributed) I would also fight tooth and nail for that recognition. Like being the country that designed the rocket that sent humans to the moon first.
@@devnull-dz3gj I can't say I agree that your comment was properly directed, though I have no issue with your comment in itself. I believe that there needs to be a perfect balance between working collectively for the group and for the individual. If one doesn't get the recognition they deserve or the incentive for their works, this creates catastrophic impact on the society they live in. Such as the dilemmas of communism which is an extreme example. If I'm doing a better job, than my colleague over there, why shouldn't I get more. My parents lived right next door to the largest communist country, and my grandparents came from there and although we were advantaged in many areas, we could observe the difference in work ethic and drive of our capitalistic society to their collective ideology. At one point, HK was worth 70-80% of the GDP in China. A whole result is a society that does the minimum required and strictly within the bounds of 'what the collective' needs. Sometimes it takes selfish drive.
And going back to a personal question. If I do something well such as run well in a race, get best prize on the science fair why should I not claim it? Selfishness and personal cultivation is just as important to society. There's no doubt that there's thousands of inventors that contributed to the development of planes. The wrights only want their due recognition.
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If I look at it "from their shoes..." i'll see a lot of thongs, missing underwear and hopefully some most needed 'bush' ‼️ 😂🤣😂
Couldn't agree more .
This is US and European copyright/patent law in a nutshell. The West is so hyper obsessed with with owns what, that while we squabble over cents and ownership laws, the world is leaping ahead. Article 13 is the epitome of this.
Asia is already leading the future, just look at their cities compared to our own. This is only going to get even more exaggerated if the West doesn't have a course correction, and soon.
who invented the airplane was A BRAZILIAN.......SANTOS DUMONT...FIRST TO BE AIRBONE WITHOUT A SLING....FIRST IN THE AIR...Not the wright brothers...you can google that....
More documentaries like theese, please!
Thanks diskodasa. Glad you're enjoying it. Why not check out our Intel series: ua-cam.com/video/cn00UKfYaaU/v-deo.html :)
More Libertarianism like this Please!!! Even the communist party of China believes in free market capitalism, LOL
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Trump will nuke Shenzhen, so this city will no longer be there in the near future.
Come back to America fellows!
A very interesting, informative and fascinating documentary, I also like the way it was produced and edited, much appreciated , thank you
propaganda though
they are trying to justify all the billions of dollars of intellectual theft going on.
Yassin Zao
the world isn't black and white.
I don't want absolute freedom to steal, and I don't want absolute strangleholds on IP.
In fact, given your post, I'm probably closer to your point of view than I am to the point of view that you think I have.
Freedom is great, and innovators should be able to take inspiration from other's designs.
However, absolute freedom is not desirable. The freedom must be tempered by some small logical limits.
But there is a big difference between saying: "wow, segway is great, and now that I know it is possible, I bet I could code the same thing" and stealing the code without modification, and putting it in your own unit, and being able to undercut the competition because you didn't have to invest millions of dollars in R&D.
That's not hypothetical, that is what a chinese company did, and that is why segway eventually failed, and was sold off.
It is just part of the $300,000,000,000 in IP theft that china perpetrates against the USA.
Every year.
And to be clear, I'm not calling the current IP system perfect. there are some reforms needed, like the bipartisan anti-patent troll bill currently in the house. But it is a much better system than the complete destruction of IP that this video advocates.
outstanding documentary...thoughtful and smart.
...but, did you understand the concept of it?
User denoted as "unenslaved2012" comments approvingly to propaganda film. Next level trolling, or what?
I can't believe this video is 5 years old 😭 used to be my favorite in 2018
Americans complain about job loss.
I wonder how many kids in the USA are learning electronics and software at age nine?
Probably a lot. They were historically, and I'm sure they are now. You must understand: Their parents work at these companies. They are exposed to it (as I was) at a very early age (5 or 6 years old, -some of them).
+tenminutetokyo: Sounds pessimistic, not agree with your surrender mentality . Best is to train our young kids and new graduate to out smart the "Asian industrial spies", recapture the lost market with new thinking !!
Elon Musk does not sit on patents. He open
sources everything.
Teach your kids how to build and repair robots. Those are the workers of the future. tenminutetokyo
I know, simple minded MIT grad's like Limor Fried. Opening her own business, makes products in NY, hires Americans and holds educational programs for kids. SMH, stupid Americans leading open source technologies and 3d printing, what fools!
+Alex Tang he's japanese, so he's probably just venting his nationalistic frustration at how China has surpassed them in the world market.
A saying in China:
If you want to see the history go to Beijing.
If you want to see the present go to Shanghai.
If you want to see the future go to Shenzhen.
Nice Quote 😉
quit right
Yes
Tupac Shakur nobody asked bro
if you want to see the future, go in any of those cities xd
I'm a Korean living in SZ, I gotta say SZ is much better than u think. The problem is……VPN!
Pls expand
@@viktorakawisevik1305 it costs him extra to see youtube.
Use turbo vpn
Download ur VPN back in Korea b4 get to China.
what is the contact info of these small manufacturers to buy the iPhones or even the good quality knock offs for 100-700 yuan as im a small startup business looking for cheap good quality electronics like laptops, wireless network security cameras, projectors, and smartphones etc. can anyone help me out with manufacturers leads and contact info, id repay the help if the leads really pan out with a connection. please and thank you and god bless to you all.
1:18 “You can’t talk bad about Shenzhen.” Literally.
Underrated comment.
hahah thats golden
This is a great city! Pretend the camera is off
Ask the fisherman from the village to say something about that .
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Shenzen is literally lit. Its a city in the future, an existing cyberpunk city. I bet most of the electrinics i use is from Shenzen.
It's hard to believe Shenzhen exists in 2019. It's like a bigger, slightly less dense HK with more people and variation. It's literally what you described. Textbook futuristic Tokyo cyberpunk!
It makes sense to reuse electronics for the environment
People throw away gadgets sooner and sooner, and it's an awful waste of resource already.
I don't know. I've been holding onto and using my Samsung J6 since 2016...it is still going strong. :)
👍 yes! I also think on that
When you bring broken notebook to Apple store, - they throw away old motherboard to garbage, and just replace it with new
@@KOTYAR0 not just that, mostly they replace the whole thing and you cant get a simple thing because everything that needs to be replaced has to be send in, just so that no one can do it cheap and easy at home and they can make you pay 300% more.
someone need to recycle poop gold, cause idiots keep putting it on food
A wealth of information. I really enjoyed this.
This might be the best and most insightful ANYTHING iv ever watched on UA-cam
I'd love to see an update for 2020!
@Peter Do well ;))
@Peter Do Oh, Mr. Coro, so glad to meet you. You have come to teach us to cooperate and learn to be healthy, also. I've have waited to meet you for so very long. You must have many friends who have lessons for us. We will do our best to prepare to meet them better than we were prepared to meet you. Thank you for all you have done for us.
@Peter Do lol
All these nerds in 2020 swallowed the silliest scam called Moronavirus. You see technology is 0 if you don't have brains to live like a human being.
@@sekainiheiwa3650 it’s a process......learning to live like a human😻I so loved the video. Do you think we can dump some of our obsession with copyrights and patents and just focus on sharing of info to make improvements? 🙏🏽 Today thought I heard that Trump is saying the USA must sue China for damages! The USA doesn’t belong to the ICC even! However this may be the best way to reveal the Truth about USA bioweapons research and develop. Truth must leak out for humanity to chose to live as Confucius recommends, no? Win-Win‼️❣️ Let’s celebrate Truth and Beauty🎉
The real question is.. Where's the Silicon Valley of pizza and fried chicken?
just to be pedantic, you only say silicon valley something when there're electronics involved
I'd say many different metropolitan areas of South Korea are quickly becoming home to some of the best fried chicken out there.
Pizza and chicken made out of silicon?
Finally! Someone asking the real questions.
Any UK high street.
That was superb. Bunnie Huang was a fucking fantastic tour guide. Such an knowledgeable, insightful and casual guy, I'd like to spend a week touring + hanging around with him and learning from him.
cragnog It was a highly biased look at the place. It's still a parts market and now if you go over there, you don't dare share any specifics about your projects unless you have a contract. They can try and justify theft all they want but it is still theft of people's ideas, time, and futures. Livelihoods have been lost to Confucius concepts of copying. Talk to anyone who has taught over there and they will tell you about how cheating is just the way it is done. China breeds no original thought or innovation.
R Sulli hmm, interesting. Im not sure that last line is fair to say. Everything else though, I can see that as I generally held that kind of view before this documentary. Im still fairly convinced about the virtues on the side of the coin presented here however. China is ridiculously massive though so I see endless scope for a lot of 'good' and 'bad' in anything. Intention and approach play a role in it for how I interpret a given example. I am also possibly biased myself as I would position myself in an open source camp in both form and culture/mind-set. I believe it is the way forward and though it is at the mercy of human greed, so is everything ever.
Anyway my main point still stands, I'd like to hang out and explore with Mr Huang.
you wrong. contract won't cut it. if it lands in China, it spreads out like virus. Notice why they aren't making high-end medical equipments, airplanes, or even automobiles in China and bringing them back? Becuase other countries want to PROTECT their technology.
MRJ is struggling with completion in Japan. Would you ride a jet made in China? Consumer electronics can go wrong, worst case it blows up and you are hurt. Transportation is another story. Medical equipment are another story. I will only say China is advanced in technology when they make their own advanced products. Being innovative is another aspect, but I don't even agree with that part either.
@@RJT80holy copium 🤣🤣😂
The best documentary about Shenzhen and China's modern technology.
Excellent documentary - Shenzhen just became my number #travel destination to check out, and my perspective on Chinese quality and innovation has been effectively challenged.
Seti Gershberg welcome！
thank god. As an *asian AMERICAN* Almost every american i meet pisses me off to no end when they never went to china and act like they know everythign about it. They only know how to spit out the ignorant shit CNN/western news media coverage which is almost always negative, EVEN IF CHINA DOES SOMETHIGN FUCKING BETTER THAN AMERICA- Wester News Media tries to downplay how successful china has become. It's hilarious how Americans take pride in free speech and free thought when in reality so much of news media is just as much propaganda as state funded news, except US news Media is owned by the top 1%.
yes, why not go see ground zero for $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft per year from the united states?
seems like a nice place.
Xaqq DeRipper well said
weesh ful I am in opposition to IP laws as I believe they are implemented to enrich the few and stifle innovation. Clearly Shenzhen proves that point. Unfortunately, many like you believe that IP laws benefit society as a whole. They do not. They limit creativity and innovation and actually cost society due to its limiting nature. Read this article and get educated fee.org/articles/how-intellectual-property-hampers-the-free-market/
Such a fascinating place, the whole country is focussed to climb up the ladder. Lots of respects to the Chinese, from India!
you are not from china, this document did not show you the whole structure of how the china government to control companies.
@@Gojiberry631tell us more. You seem to be an expert lol.
39:56 That probably the most accurate description of Shenzhen, well said. Great documentary. If you found this interesting, I suggest reading the book Zero to 1 by Peter Thiel. The 'west' comes up with new products (zero to 1) and country's like China go from 1 to infinity (making an existing product much better, cheaper etc.).
43:12 you know you made it when you forget which really famous people signed your guitar
I think this is the fourth time I watch this documentary, is so insightful, so well documented, the fiber of the problem.
One of the very best documentaries ever published!
If only the world could be united in science and tech... progress for us all.
MONEY CHANGE EVERYTHING.
@@rhyzhyn Well, get rid of money.
Agreed. As young researcher, paying huge dollars to read a scientific article or publish one--BAFFLES me
Nobody is going g to spend their resources to invent anything if the Chinese can just take it. There's a reason the US invents so much!
< is what I say to ur new world order. Satanist shi t stain of. A dream.
that's so fascinating. i wish i had been exposed to all those kind of tecnology and education back when i was a kid, now with 28y old im starting into this universe, and i love it so much,
Forward looking place. That's something formidable.
it really is. you see a dude who looks like someone who came straight out of their farms talking about soldering ICs and copying IMEI and S/Ns while upgrading your storage, all for $100 or so and you're just like "wtf"
DJI may be the first Chinese brand I'm aware of to be considered a respected innovator - surely more will follow.
Bryan bkk most of Chinese brands were prohibited by USA , like gree, huawei, a lot of high quality products you can’t find in the USA
@Francis OnePlus isn't banned in the US. They just came out with the OP 8 which is sold in Verizon stores...
Byd, Huawei, Xiaomi and a lot more.
@@Broodjemetbeleg those three have improved a lot in 7 years. Maybe still not cool, but more innovation and less copying happening.
I love the concept of open source information and the freedom it provides for developers along with the potential for higher standards of living for more people. I am also very concerned about the overall ecology of our ever developing world. There has to be a balance there somewhere or we are doomed to fail. All this stuff produces enormous amounts of waste while consuming natural resources at an ever increasing rate. I would like to see that addressed as an equally important topic of concern as well, alongside prosperity. We can’t live like there’s no tomorrow or our children’s children will pay a heavy price for that in many ways. Take care, much love and good fortune.
well said.
By the time that happens humans will already be living in the oceans.
Not well said, Wired is the trough of the cyber waterfall of pure one's and zero's. The lowest of the low flock to the trough.
I want more boosters.
all those will be solved faster than one can imagine. e.g., China makes more than half of all EV cars, and birth rate declines sharply....you see where it goes
My uncle is an executive at the company Spencer’s. He is in charge of the electronics department.
He was behind those laser light shows, or water-speakers.
He told me he travels to China to get these products into spencers.
Yet that seemed new to us.
@Todasi Nengo I am his uncle and can verify my nephew smokes pole like u wouldn't believe. Nevermind Chinese tech. The way this kid smokes pole is just unequivocal compared to the west.
The cigar dude looks like a badass
I was thinking more along the lines of poser. He seems more interested in photo ops with celebrities than creating the next iPhone.
hmm that's funny i thought he looked like a sad, overweight, egomaniac, strip club regular
hahahahahahaha
Yeah he's like a poser, the guy has the star of david as a necklace - why would a chinese guy have a necklace of the symbol for the jewish religion? That's like having a Jew wearing a Christian necklace. lmfao.
I didn't know tinfoil hats were popular in China nowadays. Grow up. It's not other people's fault you suck at finance.
My travels to China for work took me to many low tech factories (some within an hour drive from where this was filmed). It was refreshing, but also a bit scary, to see some high tech innovation and design from Chinese factories. I've always thought that China can figure out how to make anything, but they struggle in design and especially in forward thinking innovation. It looks like things are changing.
It's interesting to think about how different cities can specialize in certain technologies.
For example - Shenzhen in hardware, Boston in biotech, New York in fintech, etc.
Let's clarify, Shenzhen - stealing tech, Boston - coming up with it
The most influential piece in my entire life. Watched this over and over again until I could convince myself to get out there and help others with other neurodivergent abilities. My how far things have come in 5 years. Absolutely amazing and if there's ever an update please let me know!!
This video makes me want to invent something. I don't know what it is, but I want to invent it.
After you spend months or years on your invention you will take it to Shenzhen to get it manufactured. When 20 companies copy/steal/liberate your invention, how will you feel?
Find a problem to solve; big or small it doesn't matter. Then, build a product to solve that problem.
@@tomrecane6366 well , you can make one off profit but don'e expect live on that for your whole life, that's lazy thought, isn't it? every one make things better upon previous knowledge provided by others, if you prevent it from others to make thing better base on your achievement, its not a good scientific way!
@@sy3934 "Lazy" is not a word that can be applied to most entrepreneurs. It takes time, money and hard work to bring a product to market. If the product will be stolen before a profit can be made then why bring it to market? Why bother inventing anything? Without those inventions, what will happen to Chinas economy?
This is not just about China. Most countries have cheated in the past. Then they discover it is in their best interest not to. If China aspires to be anything but the worlds sweatshop it will discover this too.
Start with toys or simple tools. They don't have to be useful.
19:55 "Kim Kardashian" mute 😂🤣 they couldn't have picked anything better to mute
Like Nancy Pelosi.
😂🤣
her voice makes me want to eat lead paint.
off switch...lol
All the zealots can’t wait to insert their political drivel here... 🤣🤮
Totally changed my prospective of china tech industry. Amazing documentry
I think I've watched this 2-3 times over a few years. It's still entertaining.
Great content!
Yaaa watching China steal Western ideas and property while passing it off as *OpEn SoUrCe iNnOvAtiOn* never gets old!
Agreed. Now their products are some of the best in the world lol
@@pcd1377 even Intel is supporting OpEn SoUrCe iNnOvAtiOn, what's stopping you?
@@pcd1377 yes that's why all American giants are in China get a life kid .
When you reduce the font size by 50%, you get 4x as much information on the paper
This is written, directed, filmed and edited really really well.
😢👊🏽. Seeing those Village kids in poverty made me bust out in tears. I’m glad they Became a Mega city.
I ordered something online and was just curious about the city it was being shipped from. This is quite the rabbit hole.
😂
8 years old and already programing hardware. That's awesome!
@Johnson Long as an American programmer, it's definitely possible and believable for an eight year old to code hardware. lots of kids around the world begin coding with simple robots. doubt this is fake
Dude at the end talking about the misaligned light switches is spot on.
What was he talking about switches? I didn't understand
@@arbaz79 The light switches on the wall @ 1:05:50 they are misaligned. In a 5 star hotel they should be all perfectly straight and level. Attention to detail.
That is what puts me off about China. There is no quality and craftmanship. It's all wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Even places where the Chinese president is giving speeches, place looks cheap.
It's time to rethink economics, incentive structures, and funding. As an economics major, why would I research ways to eradicate poverty as a scholar when I can make 10x that researching equities markets on wall street? As a physics masters, why would I research advanced technology in academia when I can help develop trading algorithms for 20x the salary? Why would I opt to get paid $45k as a PhD student when I know salespeople making over $100k?
Because you have a conscience/principles and believe in HUMANITY, not just MATERIALISM?
That said, like most people out there who suddenly got "illuminated" in mid-life/mid-career, you can always go one route, then switch to the other and still make money by becoming a hero(in).
People love to listen/read about that sort of BS "reinventing myself" mythology from BS scammy (wo)men. A bit like the "Rich dad poor dad" dude out there who keeps ripping his audience off to make a living.
All the best.
Yes, pretend your capable of studying any of things while not realizing that you're advocating for your own slavery. Just wanna bring everyone else down with ya huh?
scammer
What a great, friendly, open, intelligent and level-headed people! You'd wish all individuals would be this capable and kind!
this is an extremely good video
Boy, what I learned about Shenzen! I have ordered electronic parts from there and never knew that a a small vendor from a great city responded to my needs. Thanks for a great video, great narration, great scenes!
bro same i get all my arduino type stuff from there. wish america would get with the program
Hard working people created their own beautiful life. Together they made this city special and made China more and more modern. China is not perfect but some parts of China is amazing. Proud and moving by the ordinary people.
such a great insightful docu, i literally watch this once every couple months because of how well its done
by ''its" you meant propaganda?
i need more docs like this man
One of the most interesting documentaries I've seen in the past few years, you really did a good job Wired ;)
this is a really good documentary, makes you think a lot more about tech coming out of China and the world
You mean the stolen IP tech coming out of China ?
@@aussiestallion69 you just jealous
@@CyborgNeko why would I be jealous of thieves and thieving? You condone theft?
One theory this documentary throws around is that by throwing away copyright and patent laws, people can still innovate and make profits on their innovations. . by simply disregarding the knock-offs and always upping the quality and level of innovation on your product until you build up brand recognition and people automatically choose your brand. It's an interesting theory but I don't know if I have seen it in practice. The most popular brands, even in China are among the fiercest protectors of their I.P.
Also you can look at the effect of loose I.P. laws on Chinese animation for example. Most Chinese youth prefer Japanese, American or Korean animations. The main reason CHinese animations are of such poor quality is because there is no money to be made. . animation relies licensing deals of the characters and I.P. in order to be profitable. Without that profit there is no motivation to create great animation. As a result most animation studios just seek out "overseas" work and China has a big vacuum in their "soft power" (cultural and media influence).
Daniel Tynan this is the true definition of a free market. Innovate or sink. Not having few big companies monopolizing everything giving you false illusion of brand choices.
That is an insightful comment. I am not sure of disregarding copyright and patent laws, but I can think of a few companies that have become successful through brand recognition.
ASUS is a company that built affordable, albeit lower quality products in the beginning. However, since they were affordable and better value (i.e. perceived value exceeds cost), many people began to trust ASUS as the brand to choose when you needed an affordable product to fit your needs.
In that way, they were successful. As the saying goes, success begets success. Now they are one of the most trusted brands producing some of the higher tier quality computing products. Then again, I.P. is a different story. Perhaps there's an analogous theory that might explain a connection.
As a 3d artist for over a decade what are you comparing are apple and oranges. Quality IS the best marketing tool for anything in general, and they all know this in there, in Shenzen, and if you listen to what they said is that by making knockoffs of high end products they are targeting a market who is not in the target of the original brand anyway because that medium class it can not afford the original product and doing so the big names are forced to innovate themselves at the same time to gain new territory. Regarding the animations, that is something totally different, that is art and art has different styles, and Chinese animations have a totally different style then Japanese and i know many amazing 3d Chinese artists doing amazing animations and also amazing 2d drawings. What are they doing there is a naturals selection ecosystem for the products to evolve. The good ones will manage to go further and gain more upgrades while the bad ideas will be forgotten and recycled, outside the birocratic paperwork of IP jungle. Of course that when a product has reached a certain level of maturity they will be more protected but also forced to further innovate. The mentality that you have an ideea who makes you rich and then just collect money all your life from it is wrong, completely wrong in animation in 3d or hardware or anything.
In tech it kinda works but remember big companies may also exploit that and steal solutions from small players and use their makreting to be more visible. This kills the chances for a small player to develop a brand.
Yeah all those points you bring up are valid. . I've observed them myself but didn't have room to mention them.
Literally one of the best documentaries out there. For FREE
loved the video edit and sound production for this film! great film!
I was feeling the same thing the sound fx/music guy as much as the vfx editor.
the whole " documentary " seems to hammer the point " ripping off other's innovation is good " . but if every one starts ripping off , who will innovate. what is the reward of innovating ?
US has one of the strictest patent laws in the world. China has none. Chinese Govt actively encourages stealing of intellectual property. US govt protects intellectual property. US will remain the hub of innovation & China will remain the hub of cheep knock offs. if you encourage stealing , there is no reward of innovation.
you are ill-informed , patent laws were there in US since 1790
The first computing patents were registered in the 1940s.
True, those cases/authorities come from what happened before. That's what been called "common law"
The interesting thing is if that to keep up with time, so called ripping off becomes outdated. Then real innovation begins.
me before watching this video : ugh fake chinese tech
me after watching this video : wtf i want a fake chinese iphone running android with a replaceable battery and memory card slot for 70 bucks
Why settle for fake, ua-cam.com/video/7SrTYqNdFO0/v-deo.html
Spyrit2011 how’s that an iPhone with an android os ?
I discovered there are plenty of websites that sell these phones, only issue I had is the shipping can be... Lacking compared to modern standards. The tech is decent but you will also encounter weird flaws or features if you don't research thoroughly. Anyway, I used a site called gear best iirc, decent prices for all kinds of weird electronics
@@hadhad69 Thank you for understanding the OP commenters understanding unlike the trolls.
My mother bought Chinese mobile may be around 2000 nepali rupee which is around 16 AUD, that mobile lasted for 3 years even it was left on rain whole night...
I am seldom impressed with tech views. This one is really really wonderful. Great job!
@ 18:10 "China's middle class is the size of the entire U.S. population." Let that sink for just a moment.
China's middle class makes less than Americans living in poverty. Let THAT sink in a few minutes.
paul arnold Middle Class is the same standard around the world,there no difference between China’s Middle Class and US ones although Chinese average income is less than American.And China has the most billionaires.That why China’s PPP is top of the world since 2010.
paul arnold Middle class is measured on the quality of life, not by GPD per capita. A member of the Chinese middle class would live a similar lifestyle in terms of economic freedom, job security, and health as an American one.
what does that sink want now. I don't want it dripping all over my carpet again
They really need to pare down a little.
thanks for updating and uploading this!
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+WIRED UK I havehave already subscribed.
I'll check this link. thanks !
btw. is there one on Singapore?
Now THIS is a good documentary.
Right after this I'm going to go and "Open Source" myself some pop tarts and a couple cans of whip cream.
So cool.....Personally I don't care if my fone has an apple or a bannana logo if it works well it works well ..good for them ,just wish we had such choices here in UK...
Love the guy at 8:20 flipping off batman guy!!!!!!! take it they missed this when editing lol
kyle farrington HAHAHAHAH good catch
I noticed it as well it was quick but I saw that 🖕🏼 Nice!!
8:20 - A tech employee flipping off a coworker. lol
Hahaha amazing observation
in grade 4 i had the best mentor ever, he tought me arduino circuits, and coding, key-frame animation, 3D - Design
Fantastic documentary. It's mind bending to see the reality that's hidden from us here in the western part of the world.
This guy's excitement makes me so happy.
Me too
Fantastic documentary! I could watch these all day
All day long? What's attract you?
@@caiyuhui he is secretly a communist
Videos like these are pretty eye-opening about perspectives of different cultures. On the one hand, there's some 1984 stuff going on in China with the social credit system as well as horrible detention of Uyghurs in western China. On the other hand, there is really admirable stuff going on in the tech communities of China that really benefit the Chinese middle class and technological innovation in general. It's interesting seeing China from multiple perspectives, not that it should downplay their authoritarianism.
At the very least China works on transparency. If you just observe the increasing Internet freedom from a decade ago it becomes undeniable. I.e I used to goto Shenzhen for business and I couldn't access Snapchat, now I easily can, I did a few weeks ago. Also, the growing debate forums for local officials and projects are becoming evermore apparent, you can see the rising level of freedom citizens are granted. However, as you said, this does not justify limiting their freedoms as much as they do now, but one must realize the change the country's gone through since Mao's era right?
Another idiot brainwashed by anti China fake news propaganda
WOW this city is exactly like the cyberpunk future like the creator of Akira imagined. Instead of shucking corn, the cyber villagers shucking old smartphones for their rare earth elements.
As an american living in Shanghai China watching this on a VPN; I know there's a million dollar opportunity right in front of my face. How do I put 2 and 2 together here people?
T.D.M. More Than A Movement responding is not my thing. A year later of your comment, have you found your million dillar idea and if yes but havent exuted please give information perhaps its something I could execute...
@@TeboTuba lolz
The bed information projection display uses the same hand gestures as Minority Report; it's amazing. Shenzhen is like a magnet for my engineering soul.
yeah but do you really need a bed system that tells you how many times you rolled over? just wondering :)
I've just had a glimpse into the future
This was a great documentary. I watched it till the end.
Yeah I think that's the point