Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware (Full Documentary) | Future Cities | WIRED
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2016
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it is amazing where utube autoplay brings me when i fall asleep!!!
:)
Omg this happened to me with this one just now 😂😂😂😂
This happened to me too
It's required viewing , it must reach everyone in the world dozens of times until they actually let it play all the way through 5x's , lol ... you must believe China is good , China is great , China is intelligent , China is blah blah blah ... be sure to give this vid a like and it might go away from your auto play to be replaced with your next China propaganda lesson , lol ...
Good night or morning
It's always a funny thing that as a Chinese, I learned quite a lot about China from these kinds of documentary produced by foreigners.
Qing Yao That's crazy friend.
Makes sense. Indian here, and I also learnt a lot about my own country by watching many foreign documentaries about India. They also present a different perspective about the things that you see everyday.
Qing Yao, did you know that the united states loses $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft every year?
The first step to innovation is to copy and learn, just saying
because most white people cannot properly pronounce Chinese names such as "xu, cao, ju, etc" It is a really troublesome thing when you can't understand white people calling your name in a hilarious way. sum tin wong is a perfect example，you could try to use google to read 欣庭王 and compare it to sum tin wong.
They found a really good guy to have as the main interviewee - what a resource, he puts together the big picture so well.
Agreed.
Yeah this guy really brings it all in. Maybe it's his voice.
Plus 50000 social credit points for him! Well done! He can now purchase plane tickets!
By good guy you mean greasy imitator who's justifying intellectual property theft? Accountability sucks, I get it.
@@michaelfernandez3182 That;s why America will fall back in the world, That and retarted Republicans
Holy cow! Half way through I realized it was filmed almost 5 yr ago. Would love to watch a follow up video by Wired.
hey man i was thinking the same thing
yeah me too. I was going to do some google searches as to it's current conditions, especially since covid.
Well, they shut it down lately so .....
@@dontblattme7227 the whole city!?! 🙃😇😂
Same! With China's economy growth speed I really want to see what's happened AND with the pandemic complicating things if anything has changed.
More documentaries like theese, please!
Thanks diskodasa. Glad you're enjoying it. Why not check out our Intel series: ua-cam.com/video/cn00UKfYaaU/v-deo.html :)
More Libertarianism like this Please!!! Even the communist party of China believes in free market capitalism, LOL
technolegy
diskodasa
Trump will nuke Shenzhen, so this city will no longer be there in the near future.
Come back to America fellows!
In 2002 - 2003, I was a tech rep for my US company in China (and Singapore). Our Chinese manufacturing partner was in Hangzhou, but our Chinese offices were in Shenzhen and Hong Kong where most of our Chinese sales were, so I had a chance to see the start of the development and innovation process this film so ably explains. What I saw back then blew me away, but when I got back Stateside no one would credit what I saw developing. The misunderstanding and complacency among my friends and business acquaintances was striking. Today we see the consequence of that sort of thinking. This film ought to be required viewing in our schools and communities. Thanks!
Wonder what you saw back in 2002-2003 that blew you away.
Tf you talking about 😂
And this is sadly why the US has started to lag behind. It has been the dominant force for so long, it has just sat on its previous successes, not paying mind to other countries who are vying to be leaders in the market. Now they are starting to learn they still need to compete and not take their past achievements for granted
What you saw or remember, was largely created by U.S. companies (and their European, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean, and Singaporean counterparts). So I don't think there was any complacency since it was a product of the United States primarily (Silicon Valley, Austin, Seattle, Boston, Raleigh, NY, Irvine, LA, etc. etc. etc.) and Western Capitalism/Globalism/Innovation.
..and who cares
The rate at which they realize a concept/product is unmatched. Very informative video.
This was incredible to watch, really changed how I see China and it’s manufacturing capabilities. Thank you so much!
Agreed about the legal nonsense here in the USA - we focus more on lawyers, suing, etc. than actually making stuff, working together, and building our future.
An open source society feed on each other, round and round it goes. Most people will benefit, and that is a good thing.
Matt3756 - Arcade & Claw Machine except this video is of people in a communist government very much aware about implications of speaking against the grain. there are no cons in this video, is all good! no worries evising work!
America economy is based on many 3rd party entity skimming money of the process... ie realstate flippers, agents, lawyers, insurance companies
kira zeno in the US it's Capitalism with all its upsides and dowsides , so it's about personal interest , power and greed and since it's a democracy the power switches every 4 years so it's not easy to have the government plan for a long term policy . In China basically it's communism at the top level but with capitalist reforms and a long term vision and goals and it's about encouraging and uplifting the individual but within a collective mainframe or goal . That's what had helped China lead in the solar energy market for example and now they're having this system to direct private investing in the growth areas such as tech and space etc , their average power of purchase is increasing while in the US it's going down steadily since the 60s , one empire is falling while the other is rising !!
Lawyers also are looming larger and larger in China annoyingly. Really hate these basters.
This video gave me a much wider perspective on the stereotypical "China-fake" products and made me realize how innovative the citizens of China truly are. Fantastic documentary.
danny thigiti Chinese "fake products" known as cloned are truly getting better and better all the times,only truly closely secret OS softwares and CPUs,GPUs are closed to clones because they're very expensive to produced and cloned.
Changed my view on the whole no copyright thing, it pushes innovation instead of lawsuits.
danny thigiti LOL! They are the biggest country in the world and can't create anything only copy western products. And this documentary explains how westerners come to shenzhen to produce their Idea for cheaper capital
EA Bukvic It a lot easier to improved and copied an already existing products in world that are marketable and selling around the world already to make easy money.Instead producing a new unknown product that could failed to loses your capital investment in "RND"Research and true in the Development
Likewise. Well done,great documentary.
1:18 “You can’t talk bad about Shenzhen.” Literally.
Underrated comment.
hahah thats golden
This is a great city! Pretend the camera is off
Ask the fisherman from the village to say something about that .
CCP has entered the chat...
Probably the best video on UA-cam in terms of setting context and telling a story. Thank you.
They should hire you guys to direct new DC movies cuz you guys have made this documentary so beautifully engrossing.
James Austria True, also the music.
Yes this was one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. The shots were great too
Microsoft: "Open source software will destroy the software industry"
Microsoft in 2016: "Microsoft joins The Linux Foundation after years of open sourcing development tool technologies."
lol
join them if you can't beat them
thank Satya for that :)
Yes, AFTER Microsoft made many billions, became a household name and widely diversified its product offerings beyond operating systems.
And started losing market share in the server space too
As someone who has lived and worked in the original Silicon Valley for 20 years and who has visited Shenzhen, I found this documentary captivating. So well made. I suppose I could be in the wrong circles, but I never hear anyone talking about the value of open source to the economy here from the outsiders perspective that was presented in this doc. This video really showcases the cultural differences between China and the U.S. when it comes to technological advancement and the subsequent blind spot we have here as a result.
Perhaps open source is viewed more favorably in Shenzhen because they look to iterate rather than innovate.
I work in US and I don'tlike open source as a programmer ... for the same reason manufacturing workers dislike stuff made in China: it may benefits the general public but it makes my life harder by overwhelmingly new stuff to learn to keep my job.
@@razrgu3838 Well, this must be even worse in China, correct? If everyone is using open source there.
The presenter may call it "open source", is because once upon a time, when public entities devolved their branch of the government into the commercial sector.. This became "open source".. but it is meant to be closed loop. Especially from outsiders' perspective. i.e. Cannot be obtained outside of the country. Exactly how is this "open source"? In today's areas.. this is classified as "terrorism" really ! It was not until Trump used those words that he did for his campaign did people click. Cos so many companies spend A LOT.. in order to obtain SOME privacies... The presenter is also using that terminology.. because China is also reforming.. and it refuses to classify which is private company's own assets.. and which are NOT private... and NOT public.. OR which is the militaries' !!! THIS is why.. we are in 1) lock down today... and 2) in a global chaos, cos they refuse to classify this !!!! So it means that... genuine communism can exist.. like..." I can walk into your office, and take this item, and it shall be mine." That is what genuine communism really is.
I keep thinking to myself if they are creating a kind of keiretsu ..... like the Japanese.. but they aren't.
@@MeiinUK China is in "global chaos"? They are experiencing a Q2 downturn but not a full blown recession like the U.S. (w/o a lockdown). China is still the #2 world economy. The "open source" concept has led to many rapid advances that we don't see with copyrights...even/especially if it is restricted to China.
Really appreciate all the efforts that must have been gone behind such a deep insight into a city.
This concept is both terrifying as an engineer and one of the best things to happen for humanity. As an engineer, I would be terrified to live there. To think that I would need to stay one step ahead of everyone else for the rest of my life in order to make any money is a scary concept. Sure, it promotes constant improvement of technologies which is great for the common good, but the concept of having to be the best to stay afloat is a very stressful one. Here in the US, it takes one real great invention or advancement to guarantee someones' financial future. In Shenzhen, you would need to do that every day. It's like having to find gold every time you swing a pickaxe.
I think that is why they are teaching 9yr old kids basic programming and circuitry. The way forward is to not see that constant strive for improvement as "Stressful" but as fulfilling.
yeah, that's a form of meritocracy, where the best of the best are rewarded
Space Sloth It isn't even about being the best though. It's about being consistently the best. Day in and day out, you have to outperform everyone or become just another one of them.
It goes beyond hard work or even being gifted and right into the territory of being an evolutionary anomaly.
I had the same thought. But come to think of it, does that make the world a better place? and Isn't it too overrated when you just made one shot and don't have to work for the entire life while others have to work their asses off? So inventing something is like buying a lotto? I think it should be something in the middle that your inventions made you some fortune like worth of a few years salary or something then I can live with that.
well, it SOUNDS nice...
but we are talking about $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft from the united states.
per year.
for some reason that wasn't brought up.
Can we have a sequel to this documentary. Let's revisit Shenzhen in 2019 and see how far along the city, its people and hardware development has come.
How's it's BIRTH RATE ? Child Health ? A people, a nation, is not the technology - it is the families. Growing healthy families is the most important goal. Without families, a nation dies.
I can tell you the difference. Its gone completely cashless just mobile payment. You will see cops patrolling on the street, you feel super safe. VPN is getting harder and harder to use. I think thats all I could observe few month ago.
58:27 they have no sun... no sun, no life.
Hardware development is a wide area and therefore hard to answere but they are on top of everything you can imagine. Having been there recently it expanding beyond believe! So techwise anything you want, you'll find it. :-))
Bloomberg already made a documentary of schenzhen 2019
ua-cam.com/video/taZJblMAuko/v-deo.html
This might be the best and most insightful ANYTHING iv ever watched on UA-cam
it's 6 years since this video came out and kind of feels like we're in a bit of slow growth when it comes to innovation in technology
45:16 the most thuggish tech boss I've ever seen
hes spot on about the light switches and china products
he is a Jew
Rastko Palikuca lots of Chinese admire jews so like to wear necklaces of jews.. we have same density.
旅游帝 but not zionism, right?
grrr 。 no. old people and good at business ,also , like singpaore is totally a simlar country like Irseal . and chinese was killed in southeast aisa.. only difference, We han chinese keep the empire for 2000years and cilvicastion for at least 4000years. but jews lost their country 2000 years ago.
This was in 2016. I can't imagine today in 2020
Pretty much the same except the housing is 50% more expensive, maybe.
Covid19 .... They couldn't imagine it then ;-P
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@Fei Long 黄飞龙 应该还有新增案例吧，只是比美国控制的好很多…
CCP crushing the population, stealing the intellectual property from the world, Social Credit scaring people to death, Propaganda spouting "fake it 'til you make it" The Xianging province under attack building CONCENTRATION CAMPS by the Chinese Military, destroying Uygur families simply because they're Muslim. Shall I go on? THAT IS TODAY'S CHINA. And it will inevitably be quashed by the West.
I can't believe this video is 5 years old 😭 used to be my favorite in 2018
I think I've watched this 2-3 times over a few years. It's still entertaining.
Great content!
Yaaa watching China steal Western ideas and property while passing it off as *OpEn SoUrCe iNnOvAtiOn* never gets old!
Agreed. Now their products are some of the best in the world lol
@@pcd1377 even Intel is supporting OpEn SoUrCe iNnOvAtiOn, what's stopping you?
@@pcd1377 yes that's why all American giants are in China get a life kid .
The real question is.. Where's the Silicon Valley of pizza and fried chicken?
just to be pedantic, you only say silicon valley something when there're electronics involved
I'd say many different metropolitan areas of South Korea are quickly becoming home to some of the best fried chicken out there.
Pizza and chicken made out of silicon?
Finally! Someone asking the real questions.
Any UK high street.
One amazing thing is that most of these "hardware engineers" in Huaqiangbei don't even have a college degree. They are from lower-class families. Yet Huaqiangbei provide them with the best opportunities, and they make great contributions to the China society and to the world.
They are not from 'lower-class', for China isn't like India, China doesn't have caste system deeply embedded, which enables the Chinese to join any group, learn any trade, do anything to survive, without any artificial barriers, and this has been the one thing that allows the Chinese to evolve, and evolve at a breathtaking pace.
The present crop of the Chinese are also descendants of those who have managed to THRIVE despite multiple episodes of massive disasters, where large number of people died, for no reason.
The Chinese, unlike those in the West, are not pampered. They have to find ways to earn a living, as the Chinese society, for thousands of years, never provide any 'social aid' for those so-called 'marginalized'.
I know what u want to say. They are poor families but not lower-class families. Please revise it.
Thomas Edison didn't finish high school. There's a lot you can learn from tinkering with devices. I took apart my law mower when I was younger just to understand it better. My Dad was not happy. But I then went to engineering school to learn more.
@@bukanbuta7401 Ahh but where is the diversity in China? Everyone knows that diversity is strength....
@@MoHiker69 Since you are the one who brings up the subject of 'diversity', could you kindly elaborate more on your notion of 'diversity'?
I mean, *'diversity for the sake of diversity'= --- like the one being implemented in Western universities and colleges, where people with darker color skin (which ironically excluding the Indians) are getting unfair advantages on enrollments and on job placements --- just because the Western system needs them to be 'diversity token' (kinda like totem poles erected just for the sake of showing off) in their so-called 'diversified paradise'.
If your definition of 'diversity' is of that kind, no thanks, the Chinese needs no pretentious 'diversity' that contributes exactly *NOTHING* to the advancement of the society.
Meritocracy is the currency of the Chinese society --- and that has been the prevailing pattern in China for the past 3 thousand years, and Meritocracy will continue to be the one thing Chinese rely to move their society forward.
that's so fascinating. i wish i had been exposed to all those kind of tecnology and education back when i was a kid, now with 28y old im starting into this universe, and i love it so much,
I am seldom impressed with tech views. This one is really really wonderful. Great job!
This is one of those cyberpunk cities of the future
Anime (to some degree) is becoming reality
can hack Ur country easily aha just kiding
I agree. It reminded me of the same. Pretty wild!
its basically that One far advance city in science fiction that we always see thats always been far ahead of the world.
If you watch the original Blade Runner, you'll see a striking parallel
The best documentary about Shenzhen and China's modern technology.
43:12 you know you made it when you forget which really famous people signed your guitar
I'd love to see an update for 2020!
@Peter Do well ;))
@Peter Do Oh, Mr. Coro, so glad to meet you. You have come to teach us to cooperate and learn to be healthy, also. I've have waited to meet you for so very long. You must have many friends who have lessons for us. We will do our best to prepare to meet them better than we were prepared to meet you. Thank you for all you have done for us.
@Peter Do lol
All these nerds in 2020 swallowed the silliest scam called Moronavirus. You see technology is 0 if you don't have brains to live like a human being.
@@sekainiheiwa3650 it’s a process......learning to live like a human😻I so loved the video. Do you think we can dump some of our obsession with copyrights and patents and just focus on sharing of info to make improvements? 🙏🏽 Today thought I heard that Trump is saying the USA must sue China for damages! The USA doesn’t belong to the ICC even! However this may be the best way to reveal the Truth about USA bioweapons research and develop. Truth must leak out for humanity to chose to live as Confucius recommends, no? Win-Win‼️❣️ Let’s celebrate Truth and Beauty🎉
My career in the semiconductor industry spanned the 60's to early 2000's. Prior to the 90's patents were primarily enforced on significant process discoveries such as the "planar" process. During that era the argument that an engineer cannot be barred from applying their knowledge and skills to provide a livelyhood dominated. As a result engineers changed companies on average every 1.5 years spreading their knowledge and skills creating over 100 semiconductor companies in the process. The advancements in processes knowledge spread like wild fire through these companies. This began to change in the early 90's most famously when Lemelson patent attorneys began winning massive law suits forcing semiconductor companies to engage huge legal defense teams. Once these teams were in place the corporations incentivized thier engineers to patent all inovations to create a massive patent defensive wall to fend off the hoard. The engineers now could and would be seriously harmed if they passed proprietary knowledge to another company. This simultaneously improved corporate legal defense and reduced the passing of proprietary information between companies.
Thank you for your comment. What is your point of view regarding what you just said? ? What i mean is if you think this is better or not, how did this affect the industry in US?
@@khepery This is adverse for the world! Big companies hoarding technology to keep the prices artificially up!
Wow, very informative perspective from the inside. Along with the subsequent massive cuts and outsourcing that happened since the late '90s, this helps explaining why so many engineers went to China.
IP law is the ISIS of the Western tech industry.
also they control the right to repair their products, so if your apple breaks, u have to go to the genius bar because they wont sell parts to third parties.
thank you for a succinct statement, My point of view is that it is difficult to accuse any one patent holder for stifling progress as hard earnt dollars go into the development of any technology, I can see their frustration, But is theirs a realistic stance when the Chinese and others steal that tech in a consequence free environment.
My uncle is an executive at the company Spencer’s. He is in charge of the electronics department.
He was behind those laser light shows, or water-speakers.
He told me he travels to China to get these products into spencers.
Yet that seemed new to us.
@Todasi Nengo I am his uncle and can verify my nephew smokes pole like u wouldn't believe. Nevermind Chinese tech. The way this kid smokes pole is just unequivocal compared to the west.
Thankyou for this information.
I have really enjoyed this series. Please do more on China!
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+WIRED UK Just did! I cannot wait. I was just un Shenzhen so seeing it from another perspective was interesting. There is a lot to tell about China so I hope you do.
these are series???! great!!!
You should do one about the green technology and pollution in China
they should do one on how the chinese are underreporting the C-virus deaths
Americans complain about job loss.
I wonder how many kids in the USA are learning electronics and software at age nine?
Probably a lot. They were historically, and I'm sure they are now. You must understand: Their parents work at these companies. They are exposed to it (as I was) at a very early age (5 or 6 years old, -some of them).
+tenminutetokyo: Sounds pessimistic, not agree with your surrender mentality . Best is to train our young kids and new graduate to out smart the "Asian industrial spies", recapture the lost market with new thinking !!
Elon Musk does not sit on patents. He open
sources everything.
Teach your kids how to build and repair robots. Those are the workers of the future. tenminutetokyo
I know, simple minded MIT grad's like Limor Fried. Opening her own business, makes products in NY, hires Americans and holds educational programs for kids. SMH, stupid Americans leading open source technologies and 3d printing, what fools!
+Alex Tang he's japanese, so he's probably just venting his nationalistic frustration at how China has surpassed them in the world market.
Incredible video. Thank you. Amazed me . Taught me Alot
This is incredible.
I love the idea of open source hardware. What I think is wrong is when logos from the original company are placed on the "new" hardware. For open source hardware to work there needs to be a distinctive line between the original brand and copy cats.
I agree completely. I have no problem with knock-off iPhones, but I do have a problem with them still putting Apple's iconic bitten apple on the back. I especially have a problem with them putting it off-center. The one guy's comment about the hotel light-switches... It's absolutely perfect, and true. China has the manufacturing power to make the world's greatest products. Hell, they already DO make them, but their designers need to spend more time on the details. The little things make all the difference, really.
Tomos Brenchley I totally agree with u.
Exactly. That's deceptive, hard core stealing;
It's still stealing even if you don't use the original company's logo.
China is a thief.
@@RedRider1600 oh no the poor billionaires, how will they ever recover?
I live in Hong Kong and go into Shenzhen a few times a year, good to see the city moving up in the world; however there's no shortage of jealous haters especially in Hong Kong or were from Hong Kong who look down on the mainland Chinese, make excuses and want to see them fail....Mainland Chinese success magnify their own limit limitations and failures.
@Heather Larson, I don't think so. It was back in the times of 50s, 60s or 70s. May be some caucasians still think it that way nowadays. Even the mainland Chinese who have more international exposures aware that some white people are poorer and not as advanced as the Chinese, Singaporean, Korean, etc. It is not the same old days anymore. Hong Kongers did not look down mainland Chinese, they "look down", if you prefer this term, people who is poorer and cannot bring them benefits. It doesn't matter whether they are Chinese, Asians or Europeans.
Not this nonsense again. Hong Kong dwellers don't hate Chinese people. Culturally they are the same. How can you hate yourself? Mostly Hong Kong people's grandparents migrated from rural China. They have relatives there and visit frequently. They love China. They hate the Chinese government autocratic practices. Such as many Chinese people who move to Hong Kong, now they feel free enough to criticise the Mao government for stealing their property, burning down their homes, being marked as traitors and killing their relatives during the cultural revolution. These two things are very different and should not be confused.
@@qus.9617 "They hate the Chinese government autocratic practices" WTF! Those practices have achieved that China has managed to overcome the USA and Europe.
Do you think the West is free? Do you believe in the foolish freedom of the West? By people who think like you, Russia was almost destroyed in the 90s, cheated by Hollywood movies. No doubt you are a big problem for China, I hope Hong Kong fools stay in their city "enjoying Western freedom" while China rises.
@@EnriqueVivancoH That we can agree on. I also have mainland friends who have had to work again from bottom up after having their home burned down, all their property taken away, had to stop teaching and find another job and their grandparents nearly killed. But at least they can air their pains in Hong Kong amongst friends.
@@EnriqueVivancoH Not being able to free your mind about the government is basically the beginning failure of a country. Hate is a big word, but some people can, and suppressing those emotions is always a big no no.
this is so amazing
What a great, friendly, open, intelligent and level-headed people! You'd wish all individuals would be this capable and kind!
I live in Shenzhen and I am always amazed by what the city and its people are capable of. Innovation is key and open source is the answer. Keep moving forward Shenzhen.
Kenneth David II I hope all is well, my husband and I are in the engineering space and are visiting Hongkong for the holidays we are looking for innovative hubs to go and tour such as hacker & maker in Shenzhen, wondering if you had any suggestions thank you.
How much does it cost living there?
Innovation is not copying ideas and passing them off as originals. Wtf are you talking about?
@@Gdub33 these people are psycho
@@Gdub33 smartest westoid
Forward looking place. That's something formidable.
it really is. you see a dude who looks like someone who came straight out of their farms talking about soldering ICs and copying IMEI and S/Ns while upgrading your storage, all for $100 or so and you're just like "wtf"
I ordered something online and was just curious about the city it was being shipped from. This is quite the rabbit hole.
😂
Stunning documentary.
I do like the soundtrack - is there any playlist of for the BG music ?
A saying in China:
If you want to see the history go to Beijing.
If you want to see the present go to Shanghai.
If you want to see the future go to Shenzhen.
Nice Quote 😉
quit right
Yes
Tupac Shakur nobody asked bro
if you want to see the future, go in any of those cities xd
That was superb. Bunnie Huang was a fucking fantastic tour guide. Such an knowledgeable, insightful and casual guy, I'd like to spend a week touring + hanging around with him and learning from him.
cragnog It was a highly biased look at the place. It's still a parts market and now if you go over there, you don't dare share any specifics about your projects unless you have a contract. They can try and justify theft all they want but it is still theft of people's ideas, time, and futures. Livelihoods have been lost to Confucius concepts of copying. Talk to anyone who has taught over there and they will tell you about how cheating is just the way it is done. China breeds no original thought or innovation.
R Sulli hmm, interesting. Im not sure that last line is fair to say. Everything else though, I can see that as I generally held that kind of view before this documentary. Im still fairly convinced about the virtues on the side of the coin presented here however. China is ridiculously massive though so I see endless scope for a lot of 'good' and 'bad' in anything. Intention and approach play a role in it for how I interpret a given example. I am also possibly biased myself as I would position myself in an open source camp in both form and culture/mind-set. I believe it is the way forward and though it is at the mercy of human greed, so is everything ever.
Anyway my main point still stands, I'd like to hang out and explore with Mr Huang.
you wrong. contract won't cut it. if it lands in China, it spreads out like virus. Notice why they aren't making high-end medical equipments, airplanes, or even automobiles in China and bringing them back? Becuase other countries want to PROTECT their technology.
MRJ is struggling with completion in Japan. Would you ride a jet made in China? Consumer electronics can go wrong, worst case it blows up and you are hurt. Transportation is another story. Medical equipment are another story. I will only say China is advanced in technology when they make their own advanced products. Being innovative is another aspect, but I don't even agree with that part either.
Fantastic video. Never expected it to be this interesting.
Total different situation now , after trump, messing with the "us" global companies china policy , they were not happy. Trump lost all corporate support , going for Biden they broke all prior contributions to a candidate (Hillary 2016 1B$), record of 1.6 million + super pacs/media..etc
8:20 Classic.
The cigar dude looks like a badass
I was thinking more along the lines of poser. He seems more interested in photo ops with celebrities than creating the next iPhone.
hmm that's funny i thought he looked like a sad, overweight, egomaniac, strip club regular
hahahahahahaha
Yeah he's like a poser, the guy has the star of david as a necklace - why would a chinese guy have a necklace of the symbol for the jewish religion? That's like having a Jew wearing a Christian necklace. lmfao.
I didn't know tinfoil hats were popular in China nowadays. Grow up. It's not other people's fault you suck at finance.
Excellent documentary - Shenzhen just became my number #travel destination to check out, and my perspective on Chinese quality and innovation has been effectively challenged.
Seti Gershberg welcome！
thank god. As an *asian AMERICAN* Almost every american i meet pisses me off to no end when they never went to china and act like they know everythign about it. They only know how to spit out the ignorant shit CNN/western news media coverage which is almost always negative, EVEN IF CHINA DOES SOMETHIGN FUCKING BETTER THAN AMERICA- Wester News Media tries to downplay how successful china has become. It's hilarious how Americans take pride in free speech and free thought when in reality so much of news media is just as much propaganda as state funded news, except US news Media is owned by the top 1%.
yes, why not go see ground zero for $300,000,000,000 in intellectual property theft per year from the united states?
seems like a nice place.
Xaqq DeRipper well said
weesh ful I am in opposition to IP laws as I believe they are implemented to enrich the few and stifle innovation. Clearly Shenzhen proves that point. Unfortunately, many like you believe that IP laws benefit society as a whole. They do not. They limit creativity and innovation and actually cost society due to its limiting nature. Read this article and get educated fee.org/articles/how-intellectual-property-hampers-the-free-market/
The bed information projection display uses the same hand gestures as Minority Report; it's amazing. Shenzhen is like a magnet for my engineering soul.
yeah but do you really need a bed system that tells you how many times you rolled over? just wondering :)
such a great insightful docu, i literally watch this once every couple months because of how well its done
by ''its" you meant propaganda?
i need more docs like this man
I watched this for school and I gotta say this is very well done. The cinematography, editing, and info is incredible. One of the better docs I've seen recently and definitely made me put Shenzhen on my list of places to experience.
lol you will not visit any time soon... good lucky getting in and once there leaving.
@@raymaster ?
the same thing happened with the wright brothers. they spent more time fighting people using their patents than innovating their invention to the point that the europeans leaped ahead by the 1920s by some margin.
True. But look at it from their shoes. To be labelled as the men who 'invented flying in the air indefinitely' (I know multiple people contributed) I would also fight tooth and nail for that recognition. Like being the country that designed the rocket that sent humans to the moon first.
@@devnull-dz3gj I can't say I agree that your comment was properly directed, though I have no issue with your comment in itself. I believe that there needs to be a perfect balance between working collectively for the group and for the individual. If one doesn't get the recognition they deserve or the incentive for their works, this creates catastrophic impact on the society they live in. Such as the dilemmas of communism which is an extreme example. If I'm doing a better job, than my colleague over there, why shouldn't I get more. My parents lived right next door to the largest communist country, and my grandparents came from there and although we were advantaged in many areas, we could observe the difference in work ethic and drive of our capitalistic society to their collective ideology. At one point, HK was worth 70-80% of the GDP in China. A whole result is a society that does the minimum required and strictly within the bounds of 'what the collective' needs. Sometimes it takes selfish drive.
And going back to a personal question. If I do something well such as run well in a race, get best prize on the science fair why should I not claim it? Selfishness and personal cultivation is just as important to society. There's no doubt that there's thousands of inventors that contributed to the development of planes. The wrights only want their due recognition.
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If I look at it "from their shoes..." i'll see a lot of thongs, missing underwear and hopefully some most needed 'bush' ‼️ 😂🤣😂
Couldn't agree more .
This is US and European copyright/patent law in a nutshell. The West is so hyper obsessed with with owns what, that while we squabble over cents and ownership laws, the world is leaping ahead. Article 13 is the epitome of this.
Asia is already leading the future, just look at their cities compared to our own. This is only going to get even more exaggerated if the West doesn't have a course correction, and soon.
who invented the airplane was A BRAZILIAN.......SANTOS DUMONT...FIRST TO BE AIRBONE WITHOUT A SLING....FIRST IN THE AIR...Not the wright brothers...you can google that....
Very informative and interesting documentary
Beautiful work
How so? Because it opened your eyes to the immoral attitude of the majority of Chinese thinking that IP theft is ok, that somehow it’s their right to do so?
A very interesting, informative and fascinating documentary, I also like the way it was produced and edited, much appreciated , thank you
propaganda though
they are trying to justify all the billions of dollars of intellectual theft going on.
Yassin Zao
the world isn't black and white.
I don't want absolute freedom to steal, and I don't want absolute strangleholds on IP.
In fact, given your post, I'm probably closer to your point of view than I am to the point of view that you think I have.
Freedom is great, and innovators should be able to take inspiration from other's designs.
However, absolute freedom is not desirable. The freedom must be tempered by some small logical limits.
But there is a big difference between saying: "wow, segway is great, and now that I know it is possible, I bet I could code the same thing" and stealing the code without modification, and putting it in your own unit, and being able to undercut the competition because you didn't have to invest millions of dollars in R&D.
That's not hypothetical, that is what a chinese company did, and that is why segway eventually failed, and was sold off.
It is just part of the $300,000,000,000 in IP theft that china perpetrates against the USA.
Every year.
And to be clear, I'm not calling the current IP system perfect. there are some reforms needed, like the bipartisan anti-patent troll bill currently in the house. But it is a much better system than the complete destruction of IP that this video advocates.
outstanding documentary...thoughtful and smart.
...but, did you understand the concept of it?
User denoted as "unenslaved2012" comments approvingly to propaganda film. Next level trolling, or what?
I wish wired made more documentaries like this. Its fantastic.
we need a revisit , technology progresses very fast and would like to see where its at today, very good documentary
Thanks a lot really. It is fascinating Doc.
A wealth of information. I really enjoyed this.
Shenzen is literally lit. Its a city in the future, an existing cyberpunk city. I bet most of the electrinics i use is from Shenzen.
It's hard to believe Shenzhen exists in 2019. It's like a bigger, slightly less dense HK with more people and variation. It's literally what you described. Textbook futuristic Tokyo cyberpunk!
Great documentary
Thank you
seeing those kids hands on with the different circuitry and tools was very interesting and eye opening
Almost reminds people of what the US used to be like.
Eye opening why? Kids learn and adapt fast, doesn’t matter what race. You have to realise a) the video is edited to show you what they want you to see, and b) it’s a population of 1.3 billion+ so you can always find examples to help promote your story/agenda.
I'm a Korean living in SZ, I gotta say SZ is much better than u think. The problem is……VPN!
Pls expand
@@viktorakawisevik1305 it costs him extra to see youtube.
Use turbo vpn
Download ur VPN back in Korea b4 get to China.
what is the contact info of these small manufacturers to buy the iPhones or even the good quality knock offs for 100-700 yuan as im a small startup business looking for cheap good quality electronics like laptops, wireless network security cameras, projectors, and smartphones etc. can anyone help me out with manufacturers leads and contact info, id repay the help if the leads really pan out with a connection. please and thank you and god bless to you all.
Such a fascinating place, the whole country is focussed to climb up the ladder. Lots of respects to the Chinese, from India!
you are not from china, this document did not show you the whole structure of how the china government to control companies.
20:00 This guy gets me! I want that device now.
50:40 I totally agree with that statement
39:56 That probably the most accurate description of Shenzhen, well said. Great documentary. If you found this interesting, I suggest reading the book Zero to 1 by Peter Thiel. The 'west' comes up with new products (zero to 1) and country's like China go from 1 to infinity (making an existing product much better, cheaper etc.).
This video makes me want to invent something. I don't know what it is, but I want to invent it.
After you spend months or years on your invention you will take it to Shenzhen to get it manufactured. When 20 companies copy/steal/liberate your invention, how will you feel?
Find a problem to solve; big or small it doesn't matter. Then, build a product to solve that problem.
@@tomrecane6366 well , you can make one off profit but don'e expect live on that for your whole life, that's lazy thought, isn't it? every one make things better upon previous knowledge provided by others, if you prevent it from others to make thing better base on your achievement, its not a good scientific way!
@@sy3934 "Lazy" is not a word that can be applied to most entrepreneurs. It takes time, money and hard work to bring a product to market. If the product will be stolen before a profit can be made then why bring it to market? Why bother inventing anything? Without those inventions, what will happen to Chinas economy?
This is not just about China. Most countries have cheated in the past. Then they discover it is in their best interest not to. If China aspires to be anything but the worlds sweatshop it will discover this too.
Start with toys or simple tools. They don't have to be useful.
glad I found this doc now I want to watch more.
If only the world could be united in science and tech... progress for us all.
MONEY CHANGE EVERYTHING.
@@rhyzhyn Well, get rid of money.
Agreed. As young researcher, paying huge dollars to read a scientific article or publish one--BAFFLES me
Nobody is going g to spend their resources to invent anything if the Chinese can just take it. There's a reason the US invents so much!
< is what I say to ur new world order. Satanist shi t stain of. A dream.
When you reduce the font size by 50%, you get 4x as much information on the paper
Awesome documentary!
Everyone needs to watch this! Great documentary!
America: Let's teach our 9 yr olds to play video games.
China: Let's teach our 9 yrs olds to make video games so we can sell it to 9 yr old American kids.
So American kids get to play video games while Chinese kids work for slave wages in a sweat shop. I know who I'd rather be.
toyo562 I learned how to program at 10, I'm 12 now
toyo562 This is not ture
Which popular video games are being programmed in China?
I've dealt with Chinese IT experts at a fairly senior level. They're better than their Indian counterparts, but they're a long way from being fantastic.
Let's take a look at the most popular games in recent years.
Fortnite - American.
League of Legends - American made. Chinese owned.
Minecraft - Swedish.
World of Warcraft - American.
Hearthstone - American.
Grand Theft Auto series - American.
Elder Scrolls series - American.
Overwatch - American.
DOTA2 - American.
Counter Strike - American.
PUBG - Korean.
Call of Duty - American.
Mario series - Japanese.
Pokemon - Japanese.
[...]
Shall I continue? Care to name a single Chinese made game that's popular in the US?
One of the very best documentaries ever published!
Amazing video!
This is quite impressive video to watch.
19:55 "Kim Kardashian" mute 😂🤣 they couldn't have picked anything better to mute
Like Nancy Pelosi.
*Emmanuel MACRON* , _the French dictator_ !!!
😂🤣
her voice makes me want to eat lead paint.
off switch...lol
this is an extremely good video
Right after this I'm going to go and "Open Source" myself some pop tarts and a couple cans of whip cream.
we definitely need a update
DJI may be the first Chinese brand I'm aware of to be considered a respected innovator - surely more will follow.
Bryan bkk most of Chinese brands were prohibited by USA , like gree, huawei, a lot of high quality products you can’t find in the USA
@Francis OnePlus isn't banned in the US. They just came out with the OP 8 which is sold in Verizon stores...
Totally changed my prospective of china tech industry. Amazing documentry
i love how the wired guy fully swallowed the idea that copy right violation is 'open source'
“He open-sourced the data....”
No, that not what he did!!
Which one, Andrew Huang? He's not from Wired.
And tbf he does have a point. The West is stagnating because people are putting more effort into suing each other and stopping progress and development so they can hold 'exclusive rights' and milk it as slowly as possible. It's like those EA sports games where they add one minor new feature every year, and keep anybody else from getting franchise rights and making something potentially better. They force themselves to sit in a state of impeded progress, and force everyone else to do so as well.
While also harming the consumer by charging exorbitant prices for products, and making them much more difficult to obtain. While also harming the economy, by taking all the profits they've made and hoarding them, terminating the velocity of money.
Shenzhen has rapid development because of minimal regulations and stolen IP from the west. It's easy to progress when you didn't have to spend the time and money to research new rechnology
@@seventh-hydra yeah i think one needs more nuanced view on IP. if you want progress you need a balance of protecting and securing one's innovation without (what you referred to) preventing others from building on the said innovation (of others). The question is where does the balance lie in this case? Do you believe that such 'unleashing of open source' played a bigger role than 'corporate espionage'? If you want to truly answer this question I would say examine your political bias first. As I will strive to do myself.
Also this isn't just about the 'West', Korea and Japan have been targeted by Chinese companies for their IPs.
Not sure where your last paragraph sits with how Amazon or Apple function... where is this large hoarding of profits? I am pretty sure they invest a lot in R&D to not fall behind! In fact Amazon is kind of famous for that.
Also your strawman argument of EA sports is a fun one. Genuine hardware innovation requires a lot of R&D funding, time and room for failure. It is not the same as a few design tweaks in a game.
Look I am by no means an expert on this but I don't think you have to be one to see that this documentary is taking a very unbalanced if not outright biased view of progress made in Shenzhen, even though I fully agree what has been achieved there is simply awesome. So the real question is: at what cost?
This actually drives me insane. Blatantly touting their ability to steal western ideas and products, while saying *"it's OpEn SoUrCe iNnOvAtiOn!"* THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why China is going to overtake USA as largest economy in just 2 years, instead of the original pre-Covid estimate of 7 years. THEY HAVE NO BLOODY RULES.
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@@victoriaharris2644 you are 💯% right
I think this is the fourth time I watch this documentary, is so insightful, so well documented, the fiber of the problem.
It makes sense to reuse electronics for the environment
People throw away gadgets sooner and sooner, and it's an awful waste of resource already.
I don't know. I've been holding onto and using my Samsung J6 since 2016...it is still going strong. :)
👍 yes! I also think on that
When you bring broken notebook to Apple store, - they throw away old motherboard to garbage, and just replace it with new
@@KOTYAR0 not just that, mostly they replace the whole thing and you cant get a simple thing because everything that needs to be replaced has to be send in, just so that no one can do it cheap and easy at home and they can make you pay 300% more.
someone need to recycle poop gold, cause idiots keep putting it on food
1:00:09 giving toddlers arc eyes. Awesome, guy...
Really interesting!
loved the video edit and sound production for this film! great film!
I was feeling the same thing the sound fx/music guy as much as the vfx editor.
thanks for updating and uploading this!
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+WIRED UK I havehave already subscribed.
I'll check this link. thanks !
btw. is there one on Singapore?
It was only 80 years ago the world laughed at German manufacturing, then 60 year ago it was Japan and recently China. They move in unison, flexible, innovative, fast and now they are all super powers.
When i was young made in japan meant cheap trash that would break in a week.
Much like what china used to be as well.
Things out of china are already a thousand times better then just 15 years ago. And will only become higher quality.
Am so happy to see Seeed Studio CEO , his company has really come far and is inspiring makers worldwide.
Dude at the end talking about the misaligned light switches is spot on.
What was he talking about switches? I didn't understand
@@arbaz79 The light switches on the wall @ 1:05:50 they are misaligned. In a 5 star hotel they should be all perfectly straight and level. Attention to detail.
That is what puts me off about China. There is no quality and craftmanship. It's all wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Even places where the Chinese president is giving speeches, place looks cheap.
such a great documentary.
Thank you for posting, Wired UK.