Thanks very much for doing all these tests... Here are time codes to quickly click backwards and forwards to re-check and re-compare anything. Vocals Only - SpectraLayers 01:06 - Moises 1:20 - Fadr 1:35 - RipX 01:50 - Original 02:04 Instrumental - SpectraLayers 02:52 - Moises 03:07 - Fadr 03:21 - RipX 03:36 Drums Only - SpectraLayers 04:10 - Moises 04:25 - Fadr 04:39 - RipX 04:53 Bass Only - SpectraLayers 05:25 - Moises 05:39 - Fadr 05:54 - RipX 06:08 I think SpectraLayers v10 wins in every category for this example - to my ears it has the best defined transients, best sound clarity and least artefacts.
@@danielayotalks Bro Bad terms of use ? ( RipX ) what's up with this ? If I record an original song in this DAW I can't release the song recorded with this DAW (hitnmix) according to this term of use. whats up with this ? All copyright, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on HIT’N’MIX and all content (including all applications) located on the site shall remain vested in Hit’n’Mix Ltd or its licensors (which includes other users). You may not copy, reproduce, republish, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, download, post, broadcast, transmit, make available to the public, or otherwise use HIT’N’MIX content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from HIT’N’MIX. Any other use of HIT’N’MIX content requires the prior written permission of Hit’n’Mix Ltd.
I have been using RipX for about 5 months now and have been amazed at how consistently great it is at separating vocals to then be reused in remixing. Yes it does have artefacts but once you get to know your way around the visual display and the noise layer at the bottom of the extract which you can either delete completely or go more carefully through it to delete all apart from the emphasised consonants like 's', 't', 'p' or 'b' then you can get truly clean vocals. It even works with harmonied voices....or where there has been reverb added to the vocal where you can pretty much strip that reverb off the vocal 80-90% of the way. It is incredible how far these products have come.
is there a video or something that describes how to get rid of the artifacts after ripping with ripx its so bad with ai but i want to love it as much as everyone else does
Great video and it's nice to see someone doing these. I have both RipX and SL Pro 10. By tweaking the BEST preset in SL 10, SL 10 can be better than RipX and the other AI stem separators. Here are some tips for improving SL 10. Sample rate 4096 or higher, always select one stem plus OTHER when doing stem separation. So do, Vocals + Other, Drums + Other, etc. Not all at the same time. This makes the engine work better. Of course, this depends on the source audio and the program. Sometimes RipX has been better on the vocals than the others.
I am also comparing Specralayers 11 Pro Using Extreme, not best, Vs Ripx 6.5, would love to see a video comparing these two by themselves. im seeing a lot more capability in ripx so far, but Sl 11 Pro has always been my goto for unmixing. Really appreciate this video and the insights gathered.
Fadr Basic (the free version) is great if you are happy with MP3 audio quality and just the 4 basic stems. I personally need WAV for all stems, and I think US $10/month or $100/year for Fadr Plus is a bit overpriced. For example, I would rather buy RipX on sale for only US $69 (or US $99 full price) which I think creates better quality stems than Fadr Plus and you own it forever... Anyway, I think right now SpectraLayers v10 has the best stem separation overall (in terms of well-defined transients, least artefacts and best sound quality, plus you can re-split the drum and vocal stems down even further into individual drum/percussion parts or lead vocal/backing vocal etc.). I just got an amazing Black Fri deal from Steinberg to cross-grade from iZotope RX which I think is the best value for money overall too, especially given all the other pro audio processing features SpectraLayers v10 offers... :)
You mentioned that you used the best quality settings for the other apps, but you didn't use Moises hifi settings (their best quality setting), would that not make a difference for the comparison?
I agree, but it’s because you don’t have professionals doing these type of videos I mean, you know it’s ridiculous. Use a clear audio track with distinct separate parts and that’s the best for testing. This music sounds muddy and the singer is mumbling somewhat. I agree.
@@RaKanMusik I’m not confusing anything. I was agreeing with the comment that you chose a poor audio track to use for this Our opinion Clearly not yours.
@@RandomVelocity muddiness isn't really an opinion... you can objectively listen for muddiness. There isn't any. There is some minor squashing from a tad too much compression on the mix bus, but it's not muddy nor are the lyrics mumbled. Your opinion is that he (not me, idk why you think i'm the content creator) could have picked a better song. I didn't rebut that assertion. I am telling you the muddiness and mumbling critiques are just objectively not supported with the data.
I really appreciate what you have done here.... So, Ive only just stumbled upon Moises combining audio fab to get files into Moises... using it to remove vocals and guitar to create backing tracks so i can then perform solo with my own vocal and acoustic guitar with a full sound when needed... is there a easier way of doing this? It now looks like RipX is clearly dominating...
I understand that the most popular music today does not use real instruments and so the song that you chose works fine. But it would be good if this were demonstrated with musical styles that still use real instruments. For example when you demonstrated the bass it was hard to tell anything on this example, since it is not really bass but rather a bassy level sound that is playing in most of these songs. It always sounds so muddy, you can't really discern much from it other than it is a low frequency in the range of bass, but the quality of it is always imprecise.
I heard fadr stems is able to extract drum into it's sepreate parts like kick,hi hat, snare, shaker etc? Is this true? even when they are played on top of eachother?
Spectralayers 10 is the cleanest with the least artifacts. But you are right, despite that RipX sounds more like the original. It depends what your planning to do with the stems. For AI voice training I would still prefer the cleanest version from Spectralayers 10. For remixing I would prefer the RipX version because you could work around most artifacts. Thank you for the comparison and have a nice day!
@@tonypalermo4506 the autotune effect is not so strong that you can't make objective assessments. It's actually a lighter setting compared against the genre of music.
@@deanivan3951Your comment is appreciated if it's coming from the experience of having used both. Did you try RipX or SL before favoring FL Studio 12.2?
😱😱😱😱Bro Bad terms of use ? ( RipX ) what's up with this ? If I record an original song in this DAW I can't release the song recorded with this DAW (hitnmix) according to this term of use. whats up with this ? All copyright, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on HIT’N’MIX and all content (including all applications) located on the site shall remain vested in Hit’n’Mix Ltd or its licensors (which includes other users). You may not copy, reproduce, republish, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, download, post, broadcast, transmit, make available to the public, or otherwise use HIT’N’MIX content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from HIT’N’MIX. Any other use of HIT’N’MIX content requires the prior written permission of Hit’n’Mix Ltd.
@@danielayotalks not sure how that can be enforced ? by taking you to court. they embed a code and you're done. so making a hit with this DAW can be a problem. they need to make it clear to us all
I'm not an attorney, and am not even one who understands a little about the law. But I believe what you have posted is not referring to what you create and or record using their DAW. That paragraph appears to be addressing that you cannot modify such as reverse engineer their product (software) to make your own.
@@danielayotalks I think moises is friendly for some people who wants to listen track and play instruments with mobile device. Thanks for spending time to do this research, it's help me a lot 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thanks very much for doing all these tests... Here are time codes to quickly click backwards and forwards to re-check and re-compare anything.
Vocals Only - SpectraLayers 01:06 - Moises 1:20 - Fadr 1:35 - RipX 01:50 - Original 02:04
Instrumental - SpectraLayers 02:52 - Moises 03:07 - Fadr 03:21 - RipX 03:36
Drums Only - SpectraLayers 04:10 - Moises 04:25 - Fadr 04:39 - RipX 04:53
Bass Only - SpectraLayers 05:25 - Moises 05:39 - Fadr 05:54 - RipX 06:08
I think SpectraLayers v10 wins in every category for this example - to my ears it has the best defined transients, best sound clarity and least artefacts.
Wow, thank you for the time codes!
@@danielayotalks Bro Bad terms of use ? ( RipX )
what's up with this ?
If I record an original song in this DAW I can't release the song recorded with this DAW (hitnmix) according to this term of use.
whats up with this ?
All copyright, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on HIT’N’MIX and all content (including all applications) located on the site shall remain vested in Hit’n’Mix Ltd or its licensors (which includes other users). You may not copy, reproduce, republish, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, download, post, broadcast, transmit, make available to the public, or otherwise use HIT’N’MIX content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from HIT’N’MIX. Any other use of HIT’N’MIX content requires the prior written permission of Hit’n’Mix Ltd.
I have been using RipX for about 5 months now and have been amazed at how consistently great it is at separating vocals to then be reused in remixing. Yes it does have artefacts but once you get to know your way around the visual display and the noise layer at the bottom of the extract which you can either delete completely or go more carefully through it to delete all apart from the emphasised consonants like 's', 't', 'p' or 'b' then you can get truly clean vocals. It even works with harmonied voices....or where there has been reverb added to the vocal where you can pretty much strip that reverb off the vocal 80-90% of the way. It is incredible how far these products have come.
is there a video or something that describes how to get rid of the artifacts after ripping with ripx its so bad with ai but i want to love it as much as everyone else does
Great job to immediately compare the different applications.
Thanks! 👍
Great video and it's nice to see someone doing these. I have both RipX and SL Pro 10. By tweaking the BEST preset in SL 10, SL 10 can be better than RipX and the other AI stem separators. Here are some tips for improving SL 10. Sample rate 4096 or higher, always select one stem plus OTHER when doing stem separation. So do, Vocals + Other, Drums + Other, etc. Not all at the same time. This makes the engine work better. Of course, this depends on the source audio and the program. Sometimes RipX has been better on the vocals than the others.
Thank you for the test. I think the best was RipX. I started to used Moises but now, I'm using Fadr. For professional I recomend RipX
Very helpful! Thanks! 💫
You're welcome! 👍
I am also comparing Specralayers 11 Pro Using Extreme, not best, Vs Ripx 6.5, would love to see a video comparing these two by themselves. im seeing a lot more capability in ripx so far, but Sl 11 Pro has always been my goto for unmixing. Really appreciate this video and the insights gathered.
I have RipX, i'm Considering Fadr+ because it can separate DRUMS HITS, BKGRD vocal from Lead and chord progression.
Fadr Basic (the free version) is great if you are happy with MP3 audio quality and just the 4 basic stems. I personally need WAV for all stems, and I think US $10/month or $100/year for Fadr Plus is a bit overpriced. For example, I would rather buy RipX on sale for only US $69 (or US $99 full price) which I think creates better quality stems than Fadr Plus and you own it forever... Anyway, I think right now SpectraLayers v10 has the best stem separation overall (in terms of well-defined transients, least artefacts and best sound quality, plus you can re-split the drum and vocal stems down even further into individual drum/percussion parts or lead vocal/backing vocal etc.). I just got an amazing Black Fri deal from Steinberg to cross-grade from iZotope RX which I think is the best value for money overall too, especially given all the other pro audio processing features SpectraLayers v10 offers... :)
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Great video
Thanks 👍
You mentioned that you used the best quality settings for the other apps, but you didn't use Moises hifi settings (their best quality setting), would that not make a difference for the comparison?
Thanks for this. Not sure why you would choose a song where the singer is practically mumbling- its hard to compare.
Can agree to disagree. The singer is definitely not mumbling
I agree, but it’s because you don’t have professionals doing these type of videos I mean, you know it’s ridiculous. Use a clear audio track with distinct separate parts and that’s the best for testing. This music sounds muddy and the singer is mumbling somewhat. I agree.
@@RandomVelocity You're confusing a mix bus compressor for muddiness? you're the pro though?
@@RaKanMusik I’m not confusing anything. I was agreeing with the comment that you chose a poor audio track to use for this Our opinion Clearly not yours.
@@RandomVelocity muddiness isn't really an opinion... you can objectively listen for muddiness. There isn't any. There is some minor squashing from a tad too much compression on the mix bus, but it's not muddy nor are the lyrics mumbled. Your opinion is that he (not me, idk why you think i'm the content creator) could have picked a better song. I didn't rebut that assertion. I am telling you the muddiness and mumbling critiques are just objectively not supported with the data.
For a free browser program Fadr wins----unless one of its competitors can really knock everything else out the park in the future...
Was really surprised by Fadr. It's a no brainer if all you care about is the separation
I really appreciate what you have done here....
So, Ive only just stumbled upon Moises combining audio fab to get files into Moises... using it to remove vocals and guitar to create backing tracks so i can then perform solo with my own vocal and acoustic guitar with a full sound when needed... is there a easier way of doing this? It now looks like RipX is clearly dominating...
Not sure if there's an easier way with Moises but RipX did good with this track
I understand that the most popular music today does not use real instruments and so the song that you chose works fine. But it would be good if this were demonstrated with musical styles that still use real instruments. For example when you demonstrated the bass it was hard to tell anything on this example, since it is not really bass but rather a bassy level sound that is playing in most of these songs. It always sounds so muddy, you can't really discern much from it other than it is a low frequency in the range of bass, but the quality of it is always imprecise.
That's a fair point 👍
For drums, you said RIPX was your preference, yet it had the most bleed. I'm curious why you chose that one?
Less artifacts better sound quality but yess more bleed tho
I felt it captured more of the tonality of the drums despite the bleed.
What about midi extraction ? Do these all do it ?
Only RipX and Fadr provide midi extraction currently
all that I need, is just to separate from audio, the vocals and piano, into midi, is there anything, that's accurate? maybe chord changes would help.
You might want to look at Samplab for this functionality: samplab.com/
5:00 where's the original drum stem 😢
Wasn't provided stems for the instrumental unfortunately.
I heard fadr stems is able to extract drum into it's sepreate parts like kick,hi hat, snare, shaker etc? Is this true? even when they are played on top of eachother?
@@PowerRedBullTypology fadr can extract kick drum and snare and other drums currently
I think technology same on all of them. SL does the unmix drums and everything else as well..
Spectralayers 10 is the cleanest with the least artifacts. But you are right, despite that RipX sounds more like the original. It depends what your planning to do with the stems. For AI voice training I would still prefer the cleanest version from Spectralayers 10. For remixing I would prefer the RipX version because you could work around most artifacts. Thank you for the comparison and have a nice day!
costings would of been a nice touch to add
Good point.
Wich hardware media player for DJs does have stem separation embedded?
This? www.rane.com/rane-four
Why stem an autotuned voice?
Why not?
Ask Jay-Z@@danielayotalks
@@johnfrancis1925 😆
The effect on the voice makes it harder for us to evaluate if the unmix apps left artifacts. Try a regular voice.
@@tonypalermo4506 the autotune effect is not so strong that you can't make objective assessments. It's actually a lighter setting compared against the genre of music.
RIP X >
X minus pro?
There's so many to go through!
going with FADR first cuz it's free
Not a bad choice. You could also consider UVR ua-cam.com/video/u3Ntpdt-pCU/v-deo.htmlsi=USK3rmrT7WJDjuAG
none of the others compare to RipX in my experience
RipX is a beast!
And rip x does not compete with FL studio 12.2 stems.
@@deanivan3951Your comment is appreciated if it's coming from the experience of having used both. Did you try RipX or SL before favoring FL Studio 12.2?
Have not found any that work well especially with multiple guitars. Ripx was really bad at it
So much bleed in every stem on RipX everytime a rip is done. its annoying af
😱😱😱😱Bro Bad terms of use ? ( RipX )
what's up with this ?
If I record an original song in this DAW I can't release the song recorded with this DAW (hitnmix) according to this term of use.
whats up with this ?
All copyright, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on HIT’N’MIX and all content (including all applications) located on the site shall remain vested in Hit’n’Mix Ltd or its licensors (which includes other users). You may not copy, reproduce, republish, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, download, post, broadcast, transmit, make available to the public, or otherwise use HIT’N’MIX content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from HIT’N’MIX. Any other use of HIT’N’MIX content requires the prior written permission of Hit’n’Mix Ltd.
The non-commercial use is interesting, not sure how that can be enforced
@@danielayotalks not sure how that can be enforced ? by taking you to court. they embed a code and you're done. so making a hit with this DAW can be a problem. they need to make it clear to us all
@@danielayotalks Read it. its ambiguous "All copyright, "
I'm not an attorney, and am not even one who understands a little about the law. But I believe what you have posted is not referring to what you create and or record using their DAW. That paragraph appears to be addressing that you cannot modify such as reverse engineer their product (software) to make your own.
I'm not sure you could have picked a worse track to test these programs. The original track's lyrics are crap.
huh, seems like moises is most suck one？
It's not the best with the example song
@@danielayotalks I think moises is friendly for some people who wants to listen track and play instruments with mobile device. Thanks for spending time to do this research, it's help me a lot 🙏🙏🙏🙏