How the Elite continues getting rich in Pakistan - Dr. Rosita Armytage -
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Dr. Rosita Armytage is the author of Big Capital in an Unequal World: The Micropolitics of Wealth in Pakistan.
Dr. Rosita Armytage comes on the podcast to show the elite in Pakistan functions, from gifts to favours, form legalizing their businesses to Government subsidies, Dr. Rosita shows how the elite nexus in Pakistan is a private circle that restricts access to the masses and continues to grow rich as the masses suffer.
Dr Rosita Armytage is an anthropologist and the lead qualitative researcher on the 'Islands of Integrity' project. She is a Research Fellow at Durham University. Her research interests are elite networking and alliances, class and capitalism, and the informal structures that entrench inequality.
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Chapters:
0:00 Elite, increased access, political hypocrisy
12:44 Defining the elite and their practices
25:53 Underpaid taxes, elite networks
34:22 Joining the elite, network safeguards
42:30 History of the elite class, divisions, shifts in power
53:31 Elite and the military, exotic animals, detaching yourself
1:02:23 Elite self identity, unique Pakistani elite
1:11:09 Audience Questions - Розваги
A very well-educated friend once described Islamabad as "five miles from Pakistan."
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Hahaha 🤣😂
It's almost same like Dhaka and Karachi distance 😆🤣..
First Pakistan Elite Takes Away West Pakistan Capital From Karachi to Near Abbotabad or Rawalpindi and form Islamabad in 1960 by president and Field marshall Ayub Khan and Then Yahyah Khan Luanch operation Search Light in 23 March 1970 and fall the Dhaka The capital of East Pakistan in 1971..
And 90,000 Punjabi and Pushtoon Military officers surrendered there pentshirt uniform 🥋 In Dhaka and it's all available in Dhaka museum..
Educate yourself with Pakistan Real History Instead of Fake Muttalah Pakistan..
What does that mean?
@@system7962 Islamabad is a planned city made to cater to the elites and not represent the majority and the rest of Pakistan.
Yeah, right. A VERY well-educated person said it.
This guy is undiscovered diamond!!! Love from 🇮🇳 great conversationalist ❤️❤️
Undiscovered diamond??? Alluvial or the kind you find in nalahs :-)
Big of you. Welcome
@@faisalsayeed8869 Hum dasvi class mein geography fail kiye the ..............
Lol such a mediocre convo. Really said nothing much
@@abhijeetmahto3665fo4 Pakistani standards 😂😂
What a brilliant guest Shahzad, hats off to you for roping in a person who despite being an outsider understands the complexities and dynamics of Pakistani elite
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I am a British born Pakistani woman.
I first went to Pakistan when I was forty and I felt so upset to see what poverty most people live in. I hated seeing rich people living in mansions but round no infrastructure. I just again went recently for a few weeks where I got to see more insight all I could see is bribe and who you know. If I was rich I would help out and develop some areas for the poor people instead of filling my pockets and my families.
These elites have no Islam in them.
Wretched of the Earth by Franz Fanon is a must read ..
The elites , are all Liberal anglophile bourgeoisie, Islam does not factor in their lives.
Theyre not even human
They take use Islam for their own benefits and profits eg Imran khan, Nawaz Sharif, zardari etc
This is what Altaf Husain has been pointing out for the decades he has been in Pakistan's political scene. But he belongs to the wrong ethnic group. The wrong city. And, because of his stand, he has been banished from the country.
If you were here then this would not have been your comment. You were born and raised in a way to follow rules and laws. You were and are your own leader, know the difference of good and bad. Here, is just not the case. These all are just fuckers and proud of it, you can't possibly change a mind of a slave to see a dream as a free man. Pakistani were, are and will be always a slave to someone.
This guy and the podcasts are criminally underrated
Couldn’t agree more. He’s an underrated guy with no other competitors even in Pakistan.
@@ThePakistanExperience I just discovered you and if you'll keep doing this work more people will surely.
But thier was no concept of podcast in Pakistan when it actually started in india...
Again copied from india..😆😆😆😆
This and Black Hole is pretty good
@@xijinping9024 so....are those not good enough that you are here???
Some of feudals in Sindh have big residences up to 40 acres . Even in big cities they have banglows spread on acres . Where as economists say Pakistan has 50% poor population but in Sindh that ratio is 85% . God bless Pakistani generals who want feudals but not masses ,living gracefully in Sindh .
Do the rich men have many mistresses? Could you please elaborate, as much as you know, on the sex lived off these elites
How are the generals responsible for the feudals in Sindh or what would they gain from it?
@@PQRCBR are the Bhuttos and zardaris and other feudals Punjabi? Aren't they also Sindhi as well as other feudal families?
It's hilarious how Sindhis are oppressing other Sindhis and somehow the narrative is twisted to blame the generals and punjabis
@@PQRCBR I'm not saying there is no corruption among generals but surely the state of Sindh is on the shoulder of Sindhi feudals themselves let's not deny that
@@PQRCBR and for the record yes I have attended those weddings and they are pretty much upper middle class.... Like those of successful doctors is engineers no where near the disgusting show of wealth seen in waderas
Brilliant podcast. While talking about these elites, it almost felt like some other world was being discussed. That's how much the difference is between these people and the common Pakistani. They claim to be working for us, yet they have never for a second of their life lived in our shoes and felt what we feel.
well the common pakistani have been delirious on lahori chooran (yahood o hanood nafratbazi. 'kashmir masla' for boosting asla) that worked really well for boosting budgets for the establishment and point scoring for ALL politicians including IK. Mulk tabah ho na ho, KURSI MUQAMMAL honi chahiye
Copied from india...
Their was no concept of Podcast in Pakistan when it started in india......
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@@xijinping9024 You are right, Indians had this original idea of Podcasts and the rest of the world followed India.
@@xijinping9024 thats like saying we were the first to have a shit and the rest of the world followed us 😂😂😂, Traitor Elites are everywhere and using the common man for survival
@@jhkhan😂😂😂 true, Nehru began it. Joe Rogan was just born today.
This is the very first time am listening to any Pakistani podcast as i hated influencers culture here . Who talk from the privileged position and absolutely disconnected with ground reality no matter how hard they try. But this guy had right questions to ask and guest did such tremendously informative work and both recognised the right patterns and context to this conversation. Absolutely enjoyed how professional and well rounded her conversation was .
Thank you. Do check out the other podcasts on this channelm
Everyone you interview Shehzad is a heavy weight in their area of expertise, but you match them intellectually and the conversation that flows is genuinely intelligent and ground-breaking. I especially appreciate, how you started the interview by reminding her of her own privilege, as a young white woman with access to these elite spaces. You're doing some of your best work!
A British born Pakistani here who's not yet visited my parents ancestral homeland. This is a surprising good interview. JazakhAlllah
In awe of the guest's research and your courage in bringing her on board. More power to you
Very good ,keep it up man. Efforts like these for sure are going to help your country grow and solve its problems,as knowledge and awareness are the real power
Bro, you are inspiring others more than you can appreciate. Well done, and keep up the great work.
Pakistan is not a poor country it's a poorly run country, may Allah protect our brothers and sisters there
Allah will only protect if u do allahs will. Stop saying that - strive for change
Anything and everything is upto Allah wt***f have you done to improve the situation
that observation is applicable to literally every country in the world. any poor country can enhance its economy by improving its human capital. like singapore.
what pakistan needs to do is hardly a mystery. the problem is whether pakistan, given its inherent challenges, has the ability to do what is necessary.
in my opinion, not unless they expel the biggest obstacle - islam - from public life. you know, like attaturk did in turkey.
❤️ From 🇮🇳.
Thanks for keeping the intellectual perspective all through.
Watching this resulted in my inner Gora complex satisfied. Finally Shehzad bhai, now even your family will recognise "Podcasting" as a real job.
Dr. Rosita Armytage was very cordial and diplomatic at first and then the truth started coming out once she realized she is among friends. Many thanks to both of you for staying balanced and voicing our concerns and speaking our fears of being eternal vassals of the state and the super wealthy.
Doing great work Shehzad! Your method of covering various topics and engaging with guests is truly unique and refreshing within the Pakistani podcast space! 👏
Certainly agreed
This was spot on, precise, and brilliantly done! I'm amazed at how accurately Dr. Armytage understands the entire elite structure here. Bravo!
If the podcast panel is an indian, then it would be vice versa😂
Jazba 😂😂😂
@@binodyumnam2562 why?
@@kailashkaushik5516 pakistan would kiss a muslimman feet rather than seeing indian(hindu) guy speaking facts. Want me to explain you further? Donkey
This was so fun , I loved it . I started to listen to “thought behind things “ and then came across your podcast, I love how your questions are raw and not sugar-coated. I want to lastly add that the first thing that anyone does after increasing their wealth is to get the validation and the company of the elite. I SAW PEOPLE GO TO GREAT LENGTHS FOR IT.
What I do really like about this podcast is the quality of guests !!!
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Ekdum White, Fair and Lovely Quality hai Boss 🤗
Thank You for your efforts, both of you ♥️
The podcast was done in a really light mood, all the laughter, but the entire content is depressing, as you say, you feel outraged at those military, bureaucratic and financial ELITE.
But the thing is now we are at the inflection point, this cannot continue anymore, Pakistan has no more blood in her veins anymore for those parasites to suck.
I think the way things are, depression is our national mood lately, let's pray the depression doesn't turn into horror, especially you elites. 🤣
Pappistanis are slaves of the barbaric qurash desert tribe's
I love the way you ask the questions, the relevance and delivery. it's so engaging
Although we know how immoral and corrupt of Elite is but it is always an eye opener hearing the new account of their blatant shameless and actually thinking that they are reformers and actually giving guidance to Pakistanis. I hope she have touched the Military Elite also but she has done enough already Thanks to Dr Rosita and you Shehzad for letting us hear all this. Good Work
you touch the military elite and you get kicked out. Read The 9 Lives Of Pakistan for a reporter who asked the "wrong" questions.
Not only have the elites built Pakistan but they gave the people of the Indus valley an identity and religion which will end up destroying the elites.
The elites need to be taught a permanent lesson
The current greedy powerful insane elites in Pakistan wouldn't exist if they were checked by people and true strict judicial system. That did not happen as institutions were hijacked by these very elite. People are divided and will remain divided in benefit of these elites.
@@averagebodybuilder true. Something needs to be done
what an enrichig and candid podcast!
Hey ! This is a brilliant podcast brother. Sincerely loved the smooth operator in you.
Almost felt you folks were in my living room.
The connection of different families , political parties and military people is already known and obvious, but a good research on them makes it a record.
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That’s correct.
British continued supporting the landed elite from Mughal era.
Heck the last emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar was on British pension. British were not here to upset the cart. They wanted to just manage the cart by keeping top elite (both Hindu and Muslim) happy.
So Pakistan is basically a crime thriller XD btw this was a mind-blowing episode yar... Loved every minute of it! ❤️❤️
I might use this line. Hope u don't mind😂
Open up tour eyes. Wake up illiterate religious dogs
A better crime thriller than Caste oriented India, mind you!
@@Otto45caste kills but everyone wins
So much rationality and patriotism you have for Pakistan... I enjoy your podcasts and keep doing the good work that you do❤
By far the best podcast platform in Pakistan ! Good luck and well wishes from Melbourne.
A brilliant episode.. conducted beautifully and in a crispy way.. Thoughtful and Provocative..
There are few conversations which change your perspective.... This was one of them for me
Thank you for making this podcast!
I'm a British Pakistani and this podcast was amazing to see. I've always wondered how the wealth situation In Pakistan can be changed. The truth is, no one has the answer, not even Dr Rosita. The truth is that you have to remove these wealthy families and that's just not possible. I do hope pakistan can fix itself but honeslty it's a complete shambles.
Dr. Rosita has outlined her recipe for functional change in the governance of Pakistan , if you are able to read between the lines. The timeline of events in Pakistan as from the murder of Nawab Zada Liaquat Ali khan are similar to advice of Niccolo Michiavelli in his book entitled " The Prince". Revisit fall of Dacca subsequent hanging of Z A Bhutto. Undeclared Civil War is raging in what is left of Pakistan.
Excellent. Very frank, interesting chat. Even among the elite there are also levels, the rich elite, the political elite, the miliestablishment elite, the english speaking elite. Do we have a middle elite. Let's continue watching the rest of the podcast.
Probably best episode after atif mian's podcast . Hope your channel cross 1 million soon. Love from india
Really happy this showed up in my algorithm, great discussion
Shahzad, thank you for an excellent podcast on the elite..and thank you Dr. Rosita for your discussion. Didn't quite the title of the book at the end, but I'm sure the bookshops will find through author name search.
Keep doing the good work bro...100k is soon and then one million
This is such a great podcast😍
I saw her session in KLF & really really got inspired with her. Thank you for having guests like these♥️
ohhhh my God! its amazing ... loved the whole discussion
Glad I discovered you long time ago.... your podcasts are becoming better and better....
Wonderful discussion!
Great podcast. Thanks for the brilliant work😊🙌
Wonderful podcast.
Thoroughly enjoyed it. You help me understand and see the picture from a different view.
Thank you
Well done mate.. keep growing.
Well done shahzad..... Full of knowledge podcast uploading nowadays
First time saw your podcast, brilliant work. Keep it up 👌👍
Interesting discussion on current and historical realities of Pakistan.
very interesting podcast. Thank you for this podcast
Excellent discussion
Very insightful chat. Keep up the good work!
Fantastic show! Keep it up 👍
She is amazing and was candid during whole conversation.
Excellent podcast. I learnt a lot. Respect from India.
Excellent. Job well done. Very interesting topic and probably very important one. Again very good choice. Probably number 1 problem in our society. You have my sub. Looking forward for more serious topics to come.
So much informative... Loved this.. One of the best...
Pretty mature and insightful
Really good podcast i have watched after such a long time seen the whole thing with any skips.
BTW first time seen your podcast man keep it up
Man, I loved your follow-up qs.
This episode in the middle was like that scene in the God Father by AL Pacino "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!'. Your episodes are easy to watch till the end. This one had a slight dip in the middle where I was about to leave it for later, but then you pulled it back! Amazing work mate. One day, this will pay off.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. It was really very very informative and interesting. Hats off to you and Rosita. And btw there's another netflix movie plot for the future.
Brilliant Podcast…great topic, intelligent host & fantastic guest makes it very interesting.
Great quality content / discussion. Appreciated
These podcasts should be a part of the school systems of these elite schools here... Give the younger generation the opportunity to know better and eventually do better than their predecessors
What an interesting and innovative idea 👍🏼
Thanks for never disappointing us🤜
Brilliant Podcast 👏🏻
Oh what an enjoyable conversation. Good humor on both sides. Thankyou for having Rosita who so beautifully articulated her insights. Will definitely get a hold of the book!
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Interesting conversation. Found parallels in India, where in some states the politicians & elite behave exactly in the same manner as Pakistani elites are treating the state & country like their fief & the masses as there for serving them. This is the crux of the problem the reason for the animosity to certain political parties because they stand in the way for such a kind of aggrandisement by the few over the many.
TPE hands down is the most intellectually developed podcast coming out of Pakistan . Shahzad is brilliant at what he does and I am sure his personal privileged background helps him in getting all these extremely interesting individuals to this podcast but he does a fantastic job ! Apart from a certain drift towards his own political and ethnic leanings ( no one is perfect ) he stays rational and unbiased . Keep it up , and continue to shine and educate !
Not sure why this podcast doesn’t get more hype which it truly deserves .
He sure has his own ethno-political leanings, but despite that he is doing a good job. Our views in Pakistan excepting a few are almost always marred by our ethno-political bearings.
Unique ,informative
Keep it up
Excellent podcast. Now this is the type of content I want from your channel, Shehzad.
So basically The Elite of Pakistan is a collection of families of feudal lords, business tycoons, army personnel, journalists and politicians who form social connections through marriage, schooling system and social clubs. The fueds came into power by supporting British Raj, Business tycoons were sponsored by Jinnah and Ayub. All of these Pakistanis in general and the elite in general tend to keep a piety based social discourse to remain popular.
its so nice to see such a well researched ... and Doc has such a great sense of humour....
I wasn't really a fan of your work before.. but i am subscribing to your channel after this podcast.
This is amazing show. I heard him for the first time and I just love this man. Great work
Thank youi
Very correct evaluation of ground realities about the origins of Pakistani elites tracing it back to colonial era in fact stooges ( traitors) of the Britishers. She says it’s top 1% or ones with income of 100 million dollars a year which 100-200 families
This came on my UA-cam feed and I am glad I listened through the whole interview. Brilliant interviewer & great topic of research by the interviewee too.
Learned a lot - especially found the part about luring certain families across newly formed nations back in the days.
Thank youu
So happy to discover this youtube channel. Thanks for your efforts.
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Amazing podcast. I think this is a must watch for everyone
Recommend this podcast or its main content (un-sensored) be made part of syllabi at graduation and Masters level.
The only Pakistani UA-cam channel which I can share to somebody for getting knowledge..... Hats off to you brother, you are doing an amazing job...
See syedmuzammil official on UA-cam
1st reason, One of the main fundamental reason why Pakistan going back ward - - Most of the people of Pakistan don't know that The colonial system of jaghirdar / jamindar was abolished during land reforms in former East Bengal / East Pakistan now (Bangladesh) in 1950,India in 1951 but still it is totally absence in Pakistan. Still Pakistan protecting the colonial system of jaghirdar and General's and establishments. When 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) of pakistan controls 99 % Pakistan then Nothing will be OK.That 1% was a gift of colonial British mindset. People of East Bengal realized that colonial mindset from 1st day but still people of Pakistan living in Denial mindset of colonialism.2ND Reason why Pakistan going back ward that is majority people of Pakistan are not serious about their country. 3rd reason is that people of Pakistan are sleeping last 75 years but don't want to wake up and those people of East Bengal did wake up and fight for equal rights & justice from first day to 1971 they're now one of the fastest growing nation in the world. 4th fundamental reason pakistan and the people of pakistan systematically destroy own identical roots , language ,traditional values and heritage of ethnicity and diversity. Another reason is that people of Pakistan always take short cut policy and their is no long-term futuristic Sustainable development program or plan for future - No Educational & Socioeconomically plan but still waiting for next Sultan or kind of Leader to Grow. Last 75 years Pakistan made a lollypop mindset in Pakistan that Pakistan and people of Pakistan are only greatest and Rightful but rest of the world fake & false . It's a multi organ failure of Pakistan.It's too late to make changes in course correction after 75 years in the DNA of Pakistan.it's a martial race nation and its not a country for the people but it's a country for jaghirdar and General's with colonial setup of mindset and still living in confused Denial mindset and conspiracy mentality and it became self-destructive nation. 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) use Pakistan as a strategic depth to sell own land and sovereignty to the foreign power and create different types of Armed Terror group for Billion USD and destroying neighbor's but when you keeping snake in your backyard and expect them to only bite your neighbor's but that snake bite you too . Pakistan became as a garrison state with colonial setup. Pakistan is an over Militarilise state. It's neither a Islamic nor a democratic country.Socially- Politically - Economically and Mentally Pakistan became Black Hole and still Pakistan is existing part of colonial legacy . If the Grass look greener on the other side of the world. Stop comparing, Stop complaining and Start watering the grass you are standing on.*PAKISTAN SE ZINDA BAAGH *🙈🙉🙊
You are right but these 60 percent pakistanis will pay no heed because they die for punjab but can sell pakistan for one bottle of Coca-Cola.
Ummmm clearly you have alot of baggage that you need to unload. You are exactly doing the same thing that you are advising against in your comment. Diminishing the person next to you to elevate yourself. Please focus on your own backyard, without finger pointing I do see alot of snakes, dirt and garbage to get rid off.
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Aur gyaan Dene idhar aa gye
Ghar mein nhi hain daano, Amma gyeen bhunane
I LOVE THE DYNAMICS OF THIS PODCAST.
A FOREIGNER TEACHING PAKISTANIS WHAT'S WRONG WITH PAKISTAN.
Shahzad G shaikh, u r contributing to Pakistan 👏🇵🇰💯
Power to Ms. Rosita for her research work👏🌸
Love & Support from KPK
After listening to what she had to say about how the Pakistani "Elite" cannot even make their own decisions when it comes to marrying, or even the amount of mental gymnastics involved to keep the 'guilt" at bay for exploiting and abusing the systems of the country to pat themselves on the back and say to themselves that they're the good guys, frankly, I don't envy these people. I think they deserve each other.
The pursuit of wealth through prouductive means without exploitation is an obligation, America and the EU has achieved it. It can be done, although it is a high watermark.
These aren't "Businesspeople" you've been interviewing in your naivete Dr. Rosita, these are Kleptocrats. 90% of them have a foreign passport in their backpockets as an easy getaway ticket if things take a turn for the worst.
It's really sad that in a country where everyone is starving, the rich will not only *not* pay what's due on them, but also make more people starve through these mafias. Sickening. And none of us can do anything about it.
Not only have the elites built Pakistan but they gave the people of the Indus valley an identity and religion which will end up destroying the elites.
@@unibks4382 uhhh....I'm sorry but i genuinely did not understand the reply...can u plz elaborate on what you are saying?
@@pale_blue_ruby Britain created the dysfunctional state of Pakistan as part of an Anglo-Muslim alliance comprising of Turkey, Iran, Iraq [CENTO, SEATO, Baghdad Pact]) to counter the atheist Soviet Union and continue Britain's imperial fantasy of The Great Game (renamed as the Cold War). The Royal Grand Indus Army that owns, occupies and ru(i)ns Pakistan maintains Britain's imperial legacy and enforces British messianic ideology (foreign policy) of everlasting hostility towards Russia in Afghanistan and Indus valley for a fistful of $$$ and a few $$$ more. Read 'The Shadow of the Great Game' by Narendra Singh Sarila and 'Indian Summer: The Secret History of the End of an Empire' by Alex von Tunzelmann.
It would seem that imran Khan is trying to do something about it. But the rest of the country needs to stand by him and put their money where their mouth is.
@@pale_blue_ruby For example, when Benazir Bhutto was Prime Minister, the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan. She despatched Maulana Diesel to western capitals to persuade them to recognise the Taliban as the new government in Afghanistan. What could possibly go wrong??? Pakistan Deep State has created a phenomena that will consume them one day.
The Catwoman quote was priceless. Very insightful discussion.
I am the son of Indian immigrants living in UK. Your channel is awesome. This is a great video.
Could you bring someone from top tech Institute and talk various topic why there is not free top notch coursework like nptel in Pakistan and other educational problems. Or you could just do a collaboration with blackhole. High regards for hoodbhoy and u both do a great job.
How disgusting to be part of the elite group.
Just discovered you. Very interesting and educative! I am now your fan!
Thank you
Great Questions. Sherzad Holmes !
The part when she said , they are sitting on each other's laps and arms around each other , laughing and giggling ,had me fall out of my chair laughing only to realize that those parties are the same ones in the movie eyes wide shut.
Edit: Why is it abnormal to hear people with power misuse it , they have been doing it for the last 4000 years.The Greeks , Romans , you name it they all did it , the british PM was hosting Bunga bunga parties during lockdown.A lot of people at high up places used to visit epstien Island .This is nothing new.As a common person our job should be to be sincere , honest and help one another rather than to constantly whine and moan.
That's the most sensible question i've heard on this topic....wish the host could have approached this interview with less of a sense of victimhood/leftist oh-my-poor-countrymen-that-have-been-failed angle, and more from a sense of how are the Pakistani elite different from the elite elsewhere, say the West?
I mean, every country and society, irrespective of its economic status or political ideology, has Elites. What makes them different, is--- what are the norms of definition, how tightly knit the elites are, the barriers of entry into the Elite class, and how much of a 'churn' happens periodically....questions with this approach could have actually allowed the scholarship of the guest , Rosita Armytage, create a more nuanced discussion, thereby having the viewer form a more informed opinion....
Great podcast. Love from India
your podcast style is Souper good job bro keep it up
I have to be very honest *** Simply amazing *** this was a very very interesting conversation, I was glued to it. Well done. Best wishes.
Thank you!!
I admire the guest for her work. I would feel v toxic just being around the `elite` she was.
The gujerati elite ran pakistan and even if they were waived to pay tax for first 10 years pakistan progressed only in those 10 years. The actual problem was Punjabi and Sindhi politicians.