:) Ever hear Hendrix do 'Johnny B Goode'? Listen with your ears and try and finds where Hendrix is playing with his teeth in that recording... THEN go and watch him play that in the San Diego Sports Arena... just awesome. Ha thanks for the kind words... and glad you liked it all...
I agree with you... I refitted the V-Type later :) My 1960 cabs I have (older ones) sound much better than the G12 used here too. Thanks and stay safe.
Well, later after the review, I DID change the speaker back to the original as supplied - The V-Type! Personally I found the 'new' Celestion G12-75 sounded very different to the ones I have in the Marshall cabs, so back went the original and its still like that today. But for me it was an interesting exercise for sure. Thanks for watching...
@@tonymckenzieofficial keep in mind that older speakers bear a lot of abuse, playing, humidity/ temperature changes so they lose their stiffness and harshness over time! Your review was great! (The V type is a great speaker, not to mention its price... I also like T75s and anything holds its place in the right application at the end of the day...) Cheers, keep on rocking and may god bless you and all!!!
I know this is about a few years late but the cabinet makes a huge difference and for sure those new China G12-75 are going to sound brighter and stiffer among other nuances. For rock and certainly traditional Metal, I am really surprised how well they pair with the V series. With a mic on each, it’s like having two complementary guitars at once. Almost like overdubs when tracking, but at a distance they blend well. I’m certainly loading a 4x12 or 2x12 with Made in China V- series and G12-75 of which I was not a huge fan of by itself. In a mix is a whole different thing.
No problem ... Ultimately later I refitted the V-Type! The G-1275 was not really like the ones I have in the studio (4x12) so out it came later. Tanks for the post on how you mix the two and with which cabs etc... take note potential users... and thanks for watching.
They both mixing quite well in my Marshall 1960 cab. Quite similar but V type adds some upper mids where T-75 have a bit more low end. In my opinion they perfectly complement each other, without loosing their character. Nice playing!
Thanks for the opinion Greg... there was a difference and later actually I flipped the speaker back to the original! The G12T75 certainly did sound a little different to the ones in the studio... and thanks for watching too.
Here I find myself watching yet another of your videos admiring the same equipment. :) Great minds clearly think a lot alike. Thanks for making this my man!
Great video Tony. To my ears i could not hear any difference. You on the other hand are in the moment, in amongst the feel etc and that makes all the difference to the way you feel about it. Keep healthy. John.
The G12T seemed just a bit more toppy. Not very noticeable, but when you're playing it is.... just as you said. After, when listening I would have said it's the same, but the G12T was just a little bit brighter. I used to have some eminence speakers many years ago and those really are very well made speakers. These days I use those Marshall 1960A cabs and a couple of other Marshall cabs with differing speakers in there as I don't play out any more. I really like those cabs, that purportedly have G12T's in there! But I think my 4x12's probably have older versions and those tend to sound good with all my amps. But the V-Type I liked especially in that little Marshall - it seems just right. Stay safe.
G12T-75 all the way. It really is the sound of Marshall/rock. It has been recorded more than any other speaker out there over the years. So for me...it is familiar. It feels and sounds right. Especially in a 4x12.
I know what you mean - and I'm surrounded in that room with at least FIVE x 4x12 Marshall cabs with G12T-75 watters in them. Some of the best sounding speakers and cabs out there. Its why I bought this one under review for the little 1x12. However, it does sound different in reality to the ones in the studio, and of the two the V-Type actually sounded nearer the G12T in the 4x12 cabs! Maybe its more settling in, or maybe because the new one is Made in China? who knows... but it certainly was an interesting little exercise. Stay safe.
I have to go with the V Type. Sounds more smoother and nicer to my ears. The Chinese bit doesn’t worry me too much as I’m sure Celestion keeps an eye on their quality if they want to keep charging what they do for speakers. Lol. Great playing by the way.
I'm with you on this. I refitted the V type later! It was a slightly less toppy sound to my ears and I have the V type in there now. Thanks for the kind words and stay safe.
I think the G12T 75's sound a little bit more high end, but in a balanced, not too bright good way, and the "V" thype speaker sounded darker and flatter.Maybe I'm biased, having used G12T75's for years, but I feel they are a better all round speaker, and still good for vintage tones.
Agreed. But the GT12's I have throughout the studio sound less bright here... those are older units though. I refitted the V Type eventually as it suited the amp better I thought in the end. Thanks for the info and stay safe.
I think they both sound very good and nice playing as well. You rock Tony!! I went to buy a pack of socks a few weeks ago and I picked them up and made in China, so I started looking at all the different brands - all made somewhere else, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. finally I found one and only one brand of (made in the USA). They were Hanes, so I purchased them, feeling patriotic that I had done the right thing. Well let me tell you, they were the worst socks I have ever owned. I am a Union millwright, and take pride in my work- but let me tell ya (made in the USA) ain’t what it used to be.
Ah Haynes.... Tee-shirts in Florida :) I have bought many when on vacation. Here in the UK the industry also moved to either India or the Far East. Cities built on clothing making don't have any now... places like Leicester in the UK. I used to supply wide format pen plotters to those companies, but today? No companies and frankly no plotter sales. Well, you can't blame the Far East for badly made products on local turf! Haynes were pretty good when I was buying them some years ago. The biggest problem that I see though is pricing. Even in what I do today, Far East product is priced to close down own turf manufacturing, and on many occasions I see (in my day job) that those particular Far East companies that are in my business sector simply do not care about standards, safety and that sort of thing whereas all the home turf makers have to abide by the rules or be closed by the government. It's generally an unfair playing field. Don't get me wrong, I am not biased against China and I sell Chinese made products every day. But the west will surely pay in the long run with jobs. FYI I have been involved with the Far East since 1984 and have been there very many times. Some of the gear is excellent, but some of it is not... I guess like anywhere. These speakers sound good, but I was rather surprised that the Chinese now own Celestion :( Stay safe.
The problem is though, that in general (I would say) that the public when they set out to buy things (and I'm included along with most people) they often don't think about where something is from... they might buy from a favourite maker (as I did in this case) or some other equally compelling reason. The real fix of course, is that governments resolve these issues because generally ordinary people will not... no matter what they say. Today unfortunately (or fortunately depending on the view point) I could say that Far East product IS the norm... and has been for some years. And it's not all bad gear... some is and some is not. I guess we're driven to origin by many household 'brands' that want to increase their margin (or to try and compete with Chinese products) and might not otherwise care either way. In any case, I 'get it' and know what you're saying for sure. Stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I remember growing up in the 70's & hearing another thing made in chi-NA. I didn't understand what the big deal was then but I did grow to learn why it is a big deal. You have uneducated people putting things together that really don't understand what they're putting together no QC. Not to mention the cheap chi-NA caps & other components. We live in a society that accepts a 300% markup where as the chinese make it to throw out.
Great video man!!! I watched your video about resurfacing the Marshall to red and it inspired me, I think I will be refinishing a couple of amps this week. I’ll try to make some videos and put up as well.
Yes get some covering and have a go... that's exactly what I did and if I can do it... anyone could! If you put them up here I'll post the link for you. :) Stay safe.
Well thanks and glad you liked it. Much of the stuff I released with Alan Bruce is over the internet... like this: gravitywavescd.com/music-albums/eniac.htm and thanks.
Not long ago I bought a greenback and it was made in China I didn't even know it but they do have one made in England it's a 20 watt greenback for a fair bit more $. I'm thinking about purchasing it ,but I do like the darker tone (so-called) of the v type speaker. My Marshall sv20 is a little bright in the high input I think it would help tame it some (maybe) GOD I LOVE MARSHALL AMPS !!! The sound of rock and roll
Actually the V Type ended up as my favorite and was the one fitted to the cab as standard. I also thought the other one was a bit toppy and hence I sold it. I'm surrounded by G12H 70w (or maybe 75w) speakers in my studio and they work very well for me especially when you drive them a little. SV20 is a great amp too.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I'm just a 55 year old working man and money can be tight but I had to get that amp I was going to buy a new amplifier a years back. something told me to wait and then the SV20 came out and I had to get it I love it and Marshalls and your channel you seem like a good man that shoots straight from the hip
Well I have always thought that to mislead people or tell half the truth as many do is not for me. In fact in 2009 I had enough of listening to basically sales videos that I started to make my own. There have been a number of occasions when I have seen equipment that is less than perfect (although my money to buy it was perfect) and I have put that on here. Then you get threatened and all sorts for speaking what is plainly in the video review to see. Some of the 'fan boys' do no service to the makers they claim to support by condoning basically bad workmanship or junk. That is simply how it all is today and sad that real reviews where someone bought the gear and reviewed it as truthfully as they can get trodden down. But most of the people out there that know what they have seen get the picture I'm sure. It's certainly not like it used to be... but we only have to watch the news for all of that. Thanks.
I know this was a speaker video but, Man, that was some craaaaaazy tap shredding! Your technique is different. Do you have any lessons on your style? Thanks for sharing
Well thank you Stephen and well spotted because you're right I do use a 'weird' playing technique for tapping in particular. I never did make a video about how I do it because (to be honest) while there are certain things that I do, once I get going with it, the thing sort of goes in to an 'auto' mode where I don't really have to think about where my tapping finger goes... a bit hard to describe. But maybe I'll get to a video about it, expect only half the answer :) Hey thanks for watching and those kind words.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Your welcome. No problem. I was able to slow the video down and see mostly what you are doing. I'll just have to practice it a bit.
Great... ha tell me what I'm doing :) One thing you might note is that when I use my right hand the theory goes that you tap the string and pull it sideways to make the string vibe etc. but I tend not to do that as I just hit the string. It can sound a bit strange by itself, but over the years you'll see on the videos that I use a wah and that gives extra drive to make it all work in my sad case :) Thanks.
You might be interested ( knowing you) that fair deal music has a Marshall custom shop 🏬 4x12 art cab selling for 299.00 in the Black Friday sale with the G12T-7516 in it ( I jumped in and purchased it this morning ) there are now 3 left. Just saying. I have 2 of the v Celestion ( I think) in the back of my Marshall DSL 402 cr ( that’s fair deal music limited edition for 599.00) which I am really happy with. These 4 x12 cabs were on stage at the 50 yrs of loud Wembley concert in 2012 sept. So we’re probably played by the big hitters. I mistakenly thought they had green backs in em but ah well !!!! A Marshall custom shop 4x12 art cab made in England for 299.00 is a no brainer though. Seen one sold in America for 1200 quid.!!!!!!
Sadly, when I got there, they were gone! But thanks for posting this - really appreciated your actions... I did not look because I have had severe ear issues over last month nearly. Hospital Friday and hope it's all good. Five stars for letting me know - appreciated.
I like the V Type. It handles higher gain a bit better than the Vintage 30 {that I absolutely love} and also exhibits a bit tighter bottom as well. The V Type also comes in a NEO version that is over 6lbs lighter than the Vintage 30. Good news for us "Vintage" older chaps when you can lighten your 4x12 by 24.5 lbs or want a super compact and light 1x12 with enough power handling for a legit 50 watter.
After the review I later refitted the V Type (which the cab came with) as I felt it was a better smoother tone. The weight thing I agree and a good point. Thanks for watching.
I agree Martin and dig the user name :) Ha I have some words here for a 'Corona Blues' track :) I'm sure it will pop up some time :) The G12T-75 is slightly more toppy but not by a lot. Yes I'm safe here and I'm sure you'll be OK there too. We just have to be a little careful and it will get better over time.
Nice. I like your playing in this video. I really need to start tapping, it's one of those techniques that I have never really made a concentrated effort on, you make me want to give it another go :). As for the speakers. It's hard to say. I think they probably both need some time to break in and loosen up a bit. The times I've bought a new combo amp or speaker. It's taken a few days to get some of the harshness out and the transitions through the mids to smooth out a bit. I do quite like the new V Types. I heard they are modeled on the Vintage 30 with the top end smoothed out slightly. I have to say, I think I preferred the V type in this demo. How much of that was just the fresh speaker being a bit tight and needing time to get broken in though.
Ha tapping... now there's a story. I might make a video about that because what I do is not tapping like everyone does really. It's because I can't do that any other way... and I blame my silly learning time (just after 1997) after the last band I was in ceased to be. Anyway I won't spoil it... but I'll probably make that video... its interesting probably because it's not what people do in the way I do. Maybe next weekend :). I think you are right on the V-Type result. It is better suited to the inclusion of that wah style - the GT12T seems a bit more top end and that makes the feel a bit funny. I used to have V30's (probably still have somewhere in here?) and those used to 'break up' sort of Hendrix style (you might know what I mean) but the V-Type I don't think does that... but then again it was running 5 watts :) not 100 watts x three :). The V-Type has it! Stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Interesting. I've heard isolated demos of the Chinese G12t-75 and I disliked the high end 'fizz' on them. In a mix, however, it isn't really audible, and it has the ability to cut through a mix. It's not as bad as it may appear in isolation... for lead playing only. Wonder if that is why YM likes it.
Well when I did this in the room so to speak I could tell pretty much early on that there was a difference that mattered. I was shocked because I'm surrounded by the G12T-75 in the studio, but this one was more toppy to me. So back went the V-type which I must say I really do like... but it reminds me of the G12T-75 that are there in the studio :) Maybe I should flip the labels... or worse, maybe they did! Stay safe.
I liked the g12t-75 better. Stood out better in the mix to my ear. I also have a marshall 4x12 with them as well so it may be what I'm used to. Cool video!
Ultimately later I refitted the V speaker :) - seemed to me that the older celestion I have in my Marshall cabs sounded more like the V so back in it went. Thanks for watching.
Scarily and at just 5 watts output! I have to say it did sound pretty cool with great tones. The V-Type (the first one) I felt suited the music style slightly better but not that much in it! Thanks for the kind words and stay safe.
I play a strange style really... some like it and others less so. But that combination of a wah, a good guitar and a Marshall is all I really need. Glad you liked it... and it just shows that we can all have many choices of speaker and amplifier, and we all love particular guitars, but at the end of the day.. a 20 watt Marshall, running at 5 watts with a guitar and a wah pedal could really do it all. My how things have changed over the years. Other amps do change things, but then I'm being picky. That little setup sounded to my ears better than the Suhr I recently reviewed that cost four times as much. Interesting stuff and thanks for watching. Stay safe.
The G12T seemed very slightly more 'toppy' on the comparison to me. But different guys on here like different speakers - some like the V-Type and some the G12T. I bought the G12T because it will be inside some of those cabs in my studio and is a tried and trusted speaker model, but the V-Type on reflection (in a 1x12 and at 5 watts!) suited what I was playing I thought. They both performed of course, and the choice for anyone will be the style you play, the tones you like and how that speaker inspires you not form just the tone, but from the 'feel' when playing too. At least that's my excuse :). And yes be careful too...
Tap, tap,tap as Peter Cook used to say. The lead tones sounded nice to me through both speakers, I could not really hear much difference. Nice one Tony.
I think the first one was slightly better sounding (VERY slightly) for the style I played. The G12T had slightly more top end but not by much. Ha Peter Cook... I remember both of those guys well... how they got away with much of that I will never know :). Stay safe.
Tony, get some UK Made G12T75's and some UK Vintage 30's and mix them both in a cab. Unbelievable how great they fill each other out tonally. I was floored by doing this to two of my cabs. The UK G12T75's also pair fantastically with the Creamback 75's. I have one cab setup like this as well. Aaaaaand two Greenbacks with the G12T75's. Amazing speakers that blend amazingly with others. You should try it. I have some Chinese G12T75's that are from mid 2000's that didn't sound half bad based on my memory, I am going to try against the UK ones soon. I thought yours here sounded good but did seem brighter.
Thanks for the info... that sounds interesting. I have to say I have not really experimented much with speakers... one reason is that I have about 5 4x12 Marshall cabs with the T12T75's in and they are old so likely UK made. I bought this G12 simply because I thought the V Type sounded a bit off and wanted to 'get back' to what I knew. In came the Chinese one. But after this video review after a week I actually refitted the V Type as I think it was better (less toppy) than the G12. I never said that on camera because the video was already completed. But it is an interesting thing because speakers are as major as you can get really - especially real ones :) I could try this but currently time is against me and the studio is being rearranged and added to which will make it hard to do the audio stuff until they are finished... then we have to lay out the whole thing... recording and video with new network for the audio and much more. Sounds like an excuse :) but really it is not... I'll bear this in mind and after the furor I might try to do it... if you do then still come back and tell me your thoughts too. and thanks for that...
The original made in UK Celestion G12T-75 were made for Metal/Speed Metal/Power Metal. The 5W increase was to handle the boost/Overdrive/Tube Screamer pedals in front of the JCM800, right? Subsequently, they came stock in the 1960A/1960B cabs for the JCM900 & Silver Jubilee stack cabs. To this day, the 1960B (flat face/bottom stack) cab loaded with G12T-75 is the best Marshall cab I've ever heard for Metal. Wooo! Great playing there! The difference in tones is subtle in lead, I like the T75 better, just because the mids are more focused, with fewer unpleasant highs peaks. That's what I heard on my monitors. Which one did you keep in the end?
Thanks for the info and for watching... Ultimately I refitted the V Type. The G12T-75 was not really like the ones in my 1960a cabs (I have had them a very long time) and for this particular setup the V-Type came out on top (after the video by a few months). Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
I like the G12T-75 best. I made the Cab for my Marshall amp and I used two G12M-70 16 Ohm "Made in England" in a 9 Cubic Feet cab. They sound almost like the G12T-70, good bass and aggressive highs. The G12T is home in a Marshall dual or quad cab. Good review and sound demo. Thanks.
Yes in a 4x12 cab maybe with the 'made in England' ones. Some say it makes no difference... but somehow I seem to have them in the studio in my 4x12 cabs and they sound very good. But in this 1x12 I do think the V-Type was better for the style I played... basically because the G12T is slightly more toppy and I don't need that when I use the wah to drive the amp as I did. Thanks for watching Michel and stay safe.
No they don't. I think you are right about the brightness. You probably know I use the wah to achieve extra drive when I play that style, and the G12T-75 has a slightly different 'feel' which is so critical when I play that style. Strangely, I am surrounded by 4x12 cabs with generally the G12T-75 speakers in them with the odd exception. But I think those in my 4x12 Marshall cabs are probably made in the UK as I have had those cabs for years. It might not actually be that... maybe the 4x12 just has a different vibe (it does :) but I did notice a difference marginally. The 'feel' was far more important to that track really as it tends to be a pretty intense style for me to play... I can even say that a flat battery in the wah affects it because of a specific sustain 'feel' and anything lacking there stops me getting the style from working. It is a bit odd, but ha that's just me... odd! :) Stay safe there...
I own a V-Type, which I put into a Fender Supersonic 22 to tame the lows. The stock speaker arrived blown. I'm satisfied with it. The T75 sounds brighter here. When it breaks in it might change a little. It's kinda difficult to make a choice with the wah going, but either one would work for me in the right context. Mesa's V30s are made in England. I'm not too sure about any others.
I agree that the V-Type is slightly less toppy. Suits me better actually with my weird style :) I did look further and you're exactly right the Mesa speaker is made here, as are the 'Heritage' series - I think the rest are China. Stay safe...
Hey Tony......great video...love your playing......and ideas about things. I am looking for some g12t 75s at the moment to replace the g12L 35s in an old Marshall MG cab....I like the smaller size cabs as I get older...are all the celestions made overseas now. I like the old ones....I had a JCM 900 cab and it was all rock. I still liked the 75 watter in the shootout....especially on the lead work. Stay Safe Brother
Thanks for watching. No - some Celestions ARE made in the UK - but I can't advise which... but fact some are made here and some are Chinese it seems. Thanks
@@tonymckenzieofficial Hey Tony....hope you are doing good my friend. I ordered a couple of g12h 30 watters about a week ago....and guess what....the little white sticker on the side of the magnets say "Made in UK!! Absolutely made my day!!! Will report back on the sound from the USA. :)
:) great to know. Somehow it sort of instils some confidence in the Celestion's when that sticker is there :) yes do come back and post what you think about them....
@@tonymckenzieofficial Well......I have to say.....after breaking in the speakers for a couple of days...playing rhythm with the tracks you laid down, I couldnt have made a better choice in speakers. I have a couple of old mg cabs...and I put 2 g12h anniversary speakers in one cab....and left the other 2 g12l 35s in just to see what it would sound like.....and I tell you what.....that smaller cab rocks now.......now... I dont get to push it very hard.....but the sound coming out of that cabinet IS the sound of rock.(in my eyes and ears) The cabinet sounded "ok" with a 20 watt head pushing it before the change....but when I turned it up.....or pushed it with a 50 watter... it would kinda flutter out on the bottom end. I will be ordering 2 more for the other cab.....as I think 4 of those speakers in one cab may be too much for the cab.....but we shall see. Keep laying down those tracks brother....Im just now really getting back into playing.....and need that style of tracks to play to. I think just knowing those speakers were made in the UK...plays a part in how I play and feel.....its psychological tribalism.....and in my eyes...thats a good thing. :) Keep Rockin Friend
That's a great post and gives other guys another opinion about these particular speakers - always love to see someone that loves the stuff and tells how it all worked out for themselves. In many ways that is the same as what I do - and while they are all just opinions they are opinions from owners of the gear... that's far different than someone just telling you an opinion without foundation... thanks for posting this comment and I know that over time it will influence guys at the very least to consider these speakers. Ha I'll keep going as long as I can as guitar and the gear has been a very long time passion that I love to see. Thanks.
Hello Tony, I found the G12T sounds brighter, crisper high end-top end. The V speaker has what I call the "paper" sound in the mid range. Sorry to say not my favorite sound. I prefer the brighter sound. I run a pair of G12 T 100's in an old Ampeg cabinet powered by a 78 Marshall JMP. Thanks for your video.
Ah but are the G12T's you have older ones? I think that does matter a little. I play a lot of wah pedal... and the G12T (particularly in this 1x12 cabinet) took the top end just a tad too far for me, where the V-Type seemed to handle that a bit better. I have many G12T in my Marshall cabs (1960a) and generally like those the best, but in that 1x12... I think that was the real difference. Thanks for the info Bill and interesting stuff. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
They are quite similar, maybe the G12T-75 is a touch brighter sounding. I use Vintage 30s and am pleased with them, the V type is meant to sound similar to a Vintage 30 with higher power handling. Celestion was bought out by a company in Hong Kong in 2014, now it operates as part of a group of companies, the headquarters is still in Ipswich but almost all production moved to China shortly after the takeover. Only very limited prestige models are still made in the UK.
Sad about Celestion... sure they sounded OK to me, but to be honest it was not expected to see Celestion's 'made in China' stickers on there. I did think they were very similar also and to my burned out ears hardly worth the effort. I'll put the original back as it 'felt' different when I was playing and that has an effect on how I play. Hard to describe really. Thanks Rob for the info... it just shows that knowing such an iconic brand (as I did) means little to nothing really today as to who or what you are dealing with. Stay safe.
There was a difference for sure. The V speaker was slightly less toppy overall. So much so that I refitted the V speaker later off camera and sold the G12 later. I tend to think on this one that it does influence my playing a little because if it sounds somehow 'better' to me I tend to be a little more in to the music somehow. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
My Marshall 4x12 Slant Cabinet (JCM800 Lead Series) Has the 75 Watt Celestions in it !! I’ve Got a JCM2000DSL 100 Watt Head on top of it & A MESA BOOGIE DUAL RECTIFIER 100 Watt Head ON TOP OF THE JCM2000 !! I Just share the same bottom by switching the plug !!
1960A Cab? Those have G12T-75 in there I believe. Those cabs sound really great with almost any amp... I have a number of them and certainly in the case of the 4x12 I think they are pretty awesome. Similar to you here with different amps and they all sound cool. But in the case of this 1x12 cab as demonstrated I do think the V-Type (the first speaker) did sound better with the wah and my style of playing. The G12T had slightly too much top end - but NOT in a 4x12 cab. Now there's a point. Stay safe Gerry.
tonymckenziecom I’ve Got 2 (4x12) Slanted Cabinets and All 8 Celestions are G12T-75’s !! I Know because one cabinet was given to me by a friend and when he gave it to me it had three drivers. Since his 2x12 cabinet I was servicing had one driver with a rubbing voice coil, I pulled one driver from the cabinet he gave me !! Then, on EBay I bought two Celestions to complete the Cab !! THE FRONT GOLD PLATE ON ONE SAYS “JCM 800 Lead Series” the Rear Tag 1960A the Other says “JCM 900 Lead-1960 !! The 900 has the impedance switch and two 1/4” sockets !! I’ve Got Three Heads: JCM 800’s (50Watt non-switching & a 100Watt non-switching) JCM 2000DSL 100Watt !!! NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE THAT JUST MAKES NOISE !!! Unfortunately, I now live in a Condo in Florida and my neighbor doesn’t let me turn them up !!
Oh all good stuff there and I do think the G12T-75's were common to the 800 and 900 with a different back plate and badges on the cab but speakers were the same. Nice amps you have too... the 800 is timeless really and the DSL (similar to the TSL one of my favourite amps) is a standard too. They all sound good. Ha I just make noise too but who cares :) its the fact that I'm sure you like playing as much as I do that matters really. I had a neighbour a very long time ago that threw a milk bottle through our window! But I was loud back then... that Marshall head would have been very loud to cause him to do that.
I did too - no matter what I said on the video :) the G12T is slightly more toppy. I refitted the V-Type as that is better suited to my wah tones. That little bit of difference sort of makes it all feel so different. You might notice that on the V-Type speaker, I played better... the gear becomes more inspiring when it's exactly right for me and I tend to think about the music rather than the notes so to speak. The G12T will make eBay :). We're all OK here and have stayed home etc. But I am currently going to work to prepare for the start when staff come back in. I do think it's going to be a slow journey somehow. The USA is a little concerning as they seem to have 'opened up' a bit early maybe. In any case let's all stay safe, its sad enough watching the news and seeing many consequences of this pandemic. Thanks.
I'll see if I can get around to it. I'm back at work currently and less time, but I'll bear it in mind. Good point and one I did not mention. Stay safe.
Malmsteen and Joe Satriani use the G12t75 exclusively. They are also stock speakers for I think 1960 Marshall cabs. I like the midrange with the G12 better than the v-type. V-Type can get really brittle sounding if you don't watch your presence and treble knobs.
Notice in this review that the T type were in fact more toppy with this Marshall JCM-800 20w Stealth. I found it the other way around... its true the T speaker was Chinese though... and the ones in my real 1960a cabs (all around me) were not Chinese. I do like the 1960a cabs a lot but mine are looking new but very old in reality. In this 1x12 I really did think the V Type was improved though. Probably in that cab in that circumstance. Later off camera I refitted the V type in that cab and sold the T type.. Thanks for watching.
Manufacturing a speaker isn't rocket science, everything including materials and machinery is most likely the same under Celestion supervision. Pretty sure I'm not the only one that doesn't want to pay double just because some geezer put it together.
So if they are all the same go and try and buy a 1970's G12H or 25w Greenback etc. and you might have a surprise at the price they go for. Same old everything like you said, but in reality they sound different? I get it of course on the comments - and neither do I want to pay double, but you don't always pay double, and from what I saw the UK made ones were not really very different price wise. Notice in this review how there was a difference in tone. Lastly later I refitted the V Type. And note that I had G12H fotted to no less than 5 4x12 Marshall cabs around the studio - and they all sound different to this example shown here. I later sold the G12H. Good post for sure, but many are also quite picky on the tone. I just know the ones in the Marshal 1960a or b cabs sound different and while my cabs are not 70's cabs or anything like that, I can bet those are UK made since he 80's and 90's and early 2000's. Thanks for the post and for watching.
My fingers never did or will ever work at that speed so it's very hard for me to tell?? I have a lovely English G12t-75 (16 ohm) from 89 and I'm intimidated to buy a "international" (Chinese) 8ohm version as every review out there says they sound nothing like the Ipswich genuine ones.. so please play in 1st gear as well as 5th.. "speed demon" but also possibly comepair UK vs. China version? of G12t-75 and t-type..
Ha I get it David... it all depends on the track as to how I play and the gear under review... sometimes I play slow, and sometimes not very well (dependent on whether the gear is actually inspiring or not) and I'm just like everyone else on here. Yes the 'international' word might also well 'give away' the fact that the speaker is not from the UK. My apologies for that... I blame the track :) and I will on my next review 'add' some slower stuff too :) Thanks and stay safe.
Good point for sure, but really the comparison between the two speakers was the overall aim of the video with the 'Chinese' thing thrown in :) Thanks for watching!
Aha my little friend... thanks for watching this video and I hope you liked the playing... don't get too bored being at home - it won't be long before school is calling! So enjoy the time you have off. Stay safe... and I know you will :)
A bit more top end on the new speaker .It needs to be broken in to get the best comparison . But overall it does what it's meant to do , to be a greenback with the growl from a V30. It is close I'd say .👍🎸😷
That's exactly what I thought too. I fitted the original back and preferred that one. I'm surrounded by the G12 but they sound different in a 4x12 I think. Stay safe Bob.
MIND THE CAPS...HERE ARE THE THINGS I CONSIDER RABBIT HOLES.....STRINGS, PEDALS, SPEAKERS, TUBES, AMPS, GUITARS, TONE WOODS....SINGLE COIL VS HUMBUCKER VS P90....ARGHHHHH!!!! TONY MY FRIEND, CAN YOU DO A REVIEW OF CHEAP PEDALS VS MORE EXPENSIVE TYPES? YOU KNOW ME I AM A VERY LOYAL FAN HERE.
Valid points for sure. Honestly I do review pedals but only because I struggle to find other new gear... it IS difficult these days with so much less stuff being made from what I see - and so many companies going slow... thanks for watching - appreciated.
@@tonymckenzieofficial THANK YOU FOR THE PROMT REPLY ALOS, ONE MORE THING, CAN YOU GO INTO DEPTH ABOUT THE CERIATONE LEVIATHAN AND THE COMPANY, DETAILS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME ESPECIALLY ON OUTSTANDING COMPANIES WHO OFFER BETTER EQUIPMENT AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE, THANK YOU TONY KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK, AND YOU GUITAR SKILLS ARE ABOVE AVERAGE.
I don't have one :( but the company is very well run by Nick - and he will ensure through help and service that you will end up with a great amp, whether you make it or they do... I bought a Overtone HRM from them and the complete build is on my channel how I did it, and also a review some while back. Thanks.
PLAYED YOUR VIDEO THRU MY STEREO SYSTEM (Infinity QLS-1 Speakers) ALL CELESTION DRIVERS SOUNDED IDENTICAL !! AT FIRST THE REPLACEMENT DRIVER DIDN’T SOUND AS LOUD AS THE ORIGINAL ??
Thanks for the info. There is a slight difference but not by much it seemed to me. But when I was playing the 'feel' was better with the V-Type. The wah pedal I use often for a drive pedal really - I guess rather like a treble boost, and it's a fine balance when I do that. I have a lot of wah pedals and some are not quite as suited to that style. In this case it was a Dunlop Jerry Cantrell wah... perfect for me. Thanks for the info.
Hi Tony! If I had to make a choice of only one speaker I would take the GT Celestion, I think the sound IS a lot more clean and defined, a lot more body (of the sound), but anyway It's only my opinion. Greetings Tony!! Stay safe...
There was a difference but on my naff hearing these days it did not seem a huge difference to me. I thought the G12T-75 was a little more 'toppy'. Of course, its all opinion and the truth is, we're all different to what is a great tone. If you check below from many other guys my guess is it's about a 50/50 either way. But it was interesting to do this one and thanks for watching too... yes you stay safe too.
We have the same problem over here in the Colonies! Ya can't find ANYTHING marked "Made In USA" any more, not even sandpaper. It's all made in China, or Indonesia, or Ooogaboogistan. Whatever. Looked at a small Marshall amp over here a couple years ago; immediately walked away from it when I saw "Made in China." ...Yeah, I thought the two Chinese speakers were about the same, or close enuff to.
Oh I know... it's the same everywhere now. And often it's companies home grown that flip production to the Far East. I could name many of them - some of which don't want you to know the origin of the products. But I do think that the politicians in the USA, UK, France, Italy and some other places are on to these problems since these current virus issues. The question of the 'no ventilators' could be easily made on home ground is scary. Imagine if the countries we all buy from became hostile? It all goes beyond a few bits and pieces made abroad really. Any country not self sufficient could really have problems. Stay safe.
Everything these days are made in chi-NA 😡 I heard a slight difference. I don't think the porting of the cab played a role in the sound. The difference is in the frequencies of the speakers. The V Type is a good sounding speaker as is the G12T-75. Great playing \\m//
Yes there was a small difference and after the video I did actually revert to the V Type for that cab. I have loads of older G12T-75's and even greenbacks older but the new one was different than the older ones I have. I thought overall (after more consideration) that the V Type was more like what I expected and that did surprise me. Thanks for the post and for watching.
Oh no!! 😂 the part: new one being made in China 🙃😂 ffs... sorry to point out the obvious but you needed to change the cab cover for a mask maybe? Defo heard a difference... there’d be a difference again if wasn’t made in China right? Have you done a comparison of this new one & one of the ones you already have? I know, questions questions!! I’m like a new woman in your life 😂 hope you’re well - that tapping was insane btw 🔥
Well, I pointed out the MIC because to be honest (I'm old school) I thought Celestion were made in the UK... silly me! On this, just FYI I later did refit the V-Type back in to that cab because I thought the V-Type sounded just that bit nicer. Seemed like the G12T-75 was not like the ones I have in the studio (I have the older UK ones) that actually sound great... in Marshall 1960A cabs. I can only report what I hear and there can be many reasons of course... such as my Marshall cabs being used for years etc. it all counts I guess. But I was a little shocked by Chinese Celestion I must say. I bought the G12T-75 BECAUSE of the ones in my studio... it was a mistake for me and I sold it later. But an interesting video I thought and I was surprised that I refitted the V-Type :) (Ha I think also Chinese?) ... OMG not another woman... so many... so little time... Glad you liked the tapping and remember to crank it up when you watch it! Thanks for watching and stay safe.
I have two v types in a blackstar artist 30 with 6l6 tubes. It’s oddly warm sounding , it did remind me of my 4x12 1960a can w the jvmhjs I have in terms of mid range cut and warmth butttt, there is this high end fizzy thing that I think is due to the v type. Off axis is alright but in front it’s just not enjoyable to me and I’m really trying to find speakers that can cut and don’t sound harsh in front. Iv thought of creamback 65s but heard they don’t cut well. Iv heard the creamback75s compares to eminecence cv75s and the cv 75s sound a tad warmer and much thicker. Not sure , I don’t know much about wiring new speakers myself so I’d have to pay every time I switch em out ontop of speakers purchases so idk what to do lol.
They are all subjective really and what one guy likes the next will not... check the posts below. The general consensus is that (in this test) that the G12H is more toppy than the V Type. Remember these are both new speakers and fitted to a 1x12 cab. I have at lest 5 1960a cabs in my studio all full of the G12H and those (they are much older) sound really good to my ears no matter what amp I plug in. But in this test, I actually liked the V Type better (I did not believe I would say that) as it was just a but less toppy and when playing through that it just had a better feel and tone to me. I later refitted the V Type! But generally I like the G12H. I have some greenbacks fitted in a reissue Marshall cab from the factory also and that's cool for vintage amps but when you put modern high gain amps on there I tend to like those far less than the G12H. It's hard to really tell what works for someone and I think really best to try a particular speaker set if you can. I bought a few less than perfect ones over the years. Thanks for the post and stay safe too.
Oh, common... again this topic? Made in China vs made in UK... Celestion stopped making their basic models in the UK way back sometimes around 2003. The only models being made in the UK are Alnico (Blue & Gold), and the Heritage and Creamback series. Mesa V30's are also made in the UK. Where they are made doesn't really matter. If the speaker specs is exactly the same, the location of manufacture won't matter much. Furthermore, If you make a phone call to the UK distributor of Celestion, you will find out that: - 80-90% of Celestions are assembled in China; - the cone & voice coil are made in England; - the viscosity and opacity of the wood pulp in the paper cone determines the sound; - the cones have ALWAYS been made by a small company - Kurt Mueller, who only make cones; - they use the same paper as it was in the 50s/60s; - there are no cones made in China. Also for those of you guys that are trying to compare China vs UK ones just by listening on youtube, please do know that it is very complicated to capture the true sound of a speaker, every mic will sound different and even tiny mic position adjustments will induce a huge difference in sound. You'd have to listen in the room PERSONALLY to make a true impression. And even if there may be differences in sound if you compare directly (China vs UK speakers), it is not to say that one sounds better or worse than another. For example, I do own an american made Electro-Voice Mesa Boogie Black Shadow and some chinese Celestion V30's, the V30 sounds far better to my taste and for my playing preferences. Also when comparing you have to play chords/riffs in order to make the difference more accentuated, soloing will sound alike give or take, which the comments of this video show.
Hi Artur, on this occasion there is no argument? In fact BOTH speakers are Chinese, and I asked which one do you like the best of the two in this particular setup. Having said that, you will know that the Mesa Boogie speakers are made in Celestion in the UK and I doubt that Mesa buy more expensive speakers simply for the sake of it? The 'Heritage' speakers are also made in the UK. Other than that, well there is no 'argument'? I do think you have some very valid points and good info in this post too. But I don't think I have seen any comparisons of these two speakers (wherever they came from) that I showed in this way in this equipment... why? Because the amplifier and it's speaker cabinet are not yet released in the UK for probably 6-8 weeks... in fact that Marshall setup can't be bought right now from anywhere. The sounds ARE subjective for sure, and you are spot on with that, just read the entries below and I think it's about 50/50 which speaker sounds 'best'. Me? I refitted the V-Type as it was slightly less toppy than the G12T-75. The comments of this video DO NOT show that the 'soloing' sounds alike.. you are wrong on that point I'm afraid. Go back and reads them again, and if that does not convince you, my question asking which was better part way through the video shows data as an this, or that, result but averaged to 50/50. For me, the question of 'China' manufacturing goes way beyond that of simply buying a Chinese product. Currently, there are a substantial number of countries that could not buy at ANY PRICE PPE protection... why? Simple, because China bought it all up two months before it was needed every where else. That situation leaves external countries like yours and mine 'dependent' on China. Now then, you might find that's 'OK'... but throughout the world today it's a different place than what it was in January. And from what many leaders of countries are saying these days, you might find a resurgence over time of manufacturing in those countries and a move away from Chinese manufacturing. Somehow I doubt it will be just PPE, or Huawei or... well you name it. I know in some of the things I do that there are moves for manufacturing to other countries and those appeared even before the current situation - probably driven by President Trump and the well documented China trade wars going on. Little to do with speakers... but in a way, everything to do with the music business. Thanks Artur for you very interesting post and there's some great info in there to be had. Stay safe too!
@@tonymckenzieofficial cheers mate, I didn't mean to say that I have the universal truth here :) I just read a few comments and I couldn't agree more that the difference you showed us in sound was not an obvious one. Probably if you'd have recorded rhythm, the difference would be more pronounced, that's just my IMHO. anyway. about the whole made in China thing... I personally think that we should trust the manufacturer, whether they have decided to move their production in China, Indonesia or whatnot. Or at least we should not use expressions like "this is not a Celestion" :) or we also should say: this is not a Shure mic (made in Mexico), this is not an Iphone (made in China) etc etc :) please take this with a grain of salt, cause I'm down a few pints and wouldn't want to turn this into a long scientific debate :) best of luck! ;)
Just FYI on the first one I did record the rhythm... but as it was already there I did not on the version two... I'm bone idle :) good point and maybe next time. Ha... I get it on the 'Made in China' thing. Apple? so funny.. they make them there to screw us all - lowest cost highest price. Nuff said on that one. and thanks for the reply... Stay safe!
Current V-Type is not... and neither was the G12T-75. The Older G12T was made UK but apparently they are now abroad. IMO the G12T had a nicer less toppy tome to it. A mix of speakers can be very useful and many guys do that. In my case I have a number of Marshall stock 4x12 cabs so I tend to stick with them - they are older and UK made speakers. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
Thanks and I think you are right. It's not by much but a slightly more toppy sound. But it really was not that different and I was a bit surprised by that. Stay safe.
Surely not :) Trust me, I had pretty much aggro just walking 250 metres... out of breath. it turned out to be 'Angina'. I have some pills that solved it, but I should be slower these days they say. As we get older it certainly gets harder to do the stuff, and on music like on here it actually does take it out of you so to speak. Strangely, (I don't know why) sometimes I will hold my breath for the 'taxing' bits. Listen with a bile like that one you have... you'll be going for years :).
Thanks... after the event I decided that the V-Type (the first one!) was more 'toppy' and less suited to the wah involvement. Of course that's just me, and other guys might love the G12T better as you did Chris. I noticed that the 'feel' of the speaker created a better overall sort of inspiring the playing... nothing I could infer (i.e. it does not come with the speaker :) but the feel just seemed batter to me. Thanks Chris... and stay safe.
Tony. Sure. It’s my choice too, but often disregarded. The bass is fine, too is sweet and body is thick. Don’t get me wrong, I still eq a little 250hz out of the sound, but otherwise they’re great.
I get that. But the G12H are pretty cool in the old cabs I have and sound good for rock stuff. Greenbacks are a legend of course... thanks and stay safe.
There certainly is a lot made in China for sure like you say, but I think there are some still UK made. Needs investigations further unless someone can name the speakers... great point. Stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I believe their alnico magnet speakers and the Mesa boogie labeled v30s are the only ones made in England now but hell I may be wrong I've been wrong before and they're very expensive.
I've found that Celestions are grossly overpriced for the quality you're getting. Grab a couple of the Eminence equivalent. No, they're not UK made, but they're a quality US-made products that's made a ton of great speakers for better prices.
You're the second guy to mention Eminence... and I know those are pretty good speakers. I had some years ago and remember them well. I like REAL USA made gear - (not the makers that lie about their origin of the far east) and have a lot of time for that. But also UK gear too although there is far less here these days. I could count on one hand the UK makers really. Having said that, I did actually like the V-Type a lot more than the G12T I swapped to, so the V-Type was refitted. :) Stay safe.
The first time I heard of Chinese made instruments was when Behringer started his theft of Mackie mix tables last century. At the time there were almost no Chinese products for the music industry. Now it is almost impossible to find non Chinese products - - progress?????
Indeed. And from my point of view I do feel that many (most) makers have a big hand in all of the origin thing. Whether they were 'greedy' and wanted bigger margins, or alternatively to compete with other brands who knows, but they are the guys that drove it all. And of course the consumer that generally only sees price as the criteria to buy. Ha really great how you used 'last century' and that sort of stuff in the comment :) I smiled of course. I am less impressed with companies that try and 'hide' the origin of a product and infer that their products are (for example) USA made when really they are as Chinese or Far East as can be. Stay safe.
Fun fact - when we were kids, the toys from Japan were considered cheap and unreliable - supposedly they then named a manufacturing city Usa and could legally say "made in Usa". I have 6 guitars, 3 handmade (2 Favinos and mine), 1 from Kalamazoo, 1 from South Korea, and a cheapy Cort from China that I bought from a friend in need. I try to avoid junk, but it is becoming more difficult.
I remember the 'Made in Japan' too. I started work at 15. One first job was to go to the 'stores' under instruction from my engineer and ask for a 'long weight'. Indeed I DID wait... about 30 minutes and then the penny dropped. A year or two later I had a little 50cc Suzuki motorbike that I had scraped and saved for seemed like forever. In any case, I was told to 'go and get a pair of 'footprints' from the same stores window. While I was collecting those, I spoke to George... he seemed like an 'old man' to this young man at the time. I happened to mention that I had bought a Suzuki. He immediately threw down the 'footprints' and walked off muttering. So the other guy came over and said... don't mention 'Japan' and Suzuki to George. Of course I had no clue, so I asked, why? The second guy chirped in and said that George had been captured in the war and was held by the Japanese. Then they told me the stores of how George was treated. For George it was as real as being there. For me? I loved that little Suzuki 50. Things certainly do change, and I'm sure there are not too many 'George's' left any more. But we might be going through a pandemic right now that has killed tens of thousands of people and I wonder if the remnants of this pandemic later could make many people take a view like a 'George'. Of course none of this relates to the Chinese people many of which are my friends, but rather to a political state CCP where ordinary people probably have little or no say. It's a sad fact of our times that something like this pandemic could have those sort of repercussions - especially at government levels. Now - just believe me, I am not really political, but rather reflective of that time standing at the stores window watching 'George' and wondering what it was all about... something I never saw in my lifetime thankfully. Who knows what the future brings in those respects. Off topic I know (or is it?) but that 'Made in Japan' comment made me immediately think of George, who will undoubtedly have passed on by now. I don't believe George would ever buy anything from Japan... ever.
Another interesting anecdote - I'm from Michigan, and when the Japanese cars came to the States, with all options included and good reliability, the motor industry of the Motor City began to see the tail lights. If the big wigs in the big industries had more heart, we would have better lives, but cutting labor costs means bigger salaries for them. You can see through a pane of glass, but when you cover one side with silver, you only see yourself. I was a caddy when I was 13, and have worked ever since, but mostly as an independent, luckily!!!
tonymckenziecom We are still isolating. Coming on two months. BUT the pool is open! You can take a speaker out of the country but you can’t take the country out of the speaker. They should have rebranded. But hey, I just found out years later. I checked all mine. All from my favorite country...The UK.
Just back from surfing... (well not really) :) I agree. The 'Heritage' and Mesa are the only ones made here now it seems. I think my ones in the cabs will be also UK as I have had them all a lot longer than when they 'sold out'. Sad really. But maybe the world will wake up to the China syndrome after the ccp virus I guess....
tonymckenziecom Take a Look at Warehouse (WGS) speakers. I have a few. Half the price of UK Celestions and sound as good, if not better. Hope you are all safe during this time of Corona.
I'll look them up. I have heard of them but never looked closer, but I will. I just bought a JVM410HJS back :) (The Satch version) they are now getting expensive and you don't see many for sale. I reviewed that amp 8 years ago! But watching it again recently, it was not really a 'great' review if adequate for the time. I later wrote a review on my site that surpassed the video by far. That amp has probably the best channel on ANY of the amps since the JCM800 (channel two red) and it was only ever to be a short run really. I did have two of the regular amp (JVM410H) and they were terrible - feedback (think squeal), no choke and many other short comings. The Satch amp even has a different board inside it.... while it looks 'the same' it is far and away better than the standard amp. That 'inside and out' review will surpass the 8 year old one substantially I'm sure and its an amp always worth looking at. Not sure if you played one of those Tommy, but if you get a chance try it channel 2 red. :) Yes stay safe there too...
Sounds like the both speaker’s were made by the same Chinese dude.. Very very Litte difference..😕👎👎 Not like the real deal.. 👍 Buy a real Celestion Speaker 🔊 and do another demo .. 👍 Cheers 🍻
Brilliant comment. But others here say Celestion sold out to the Far East some years ago :(. I do know they do make 'the odd one' in the UK though. I also felt they sounded very similar but there was a difference in the 'feel' as I played. I could guess the ones in my older Marshall 1960 cabs are UK ones. Stay safe.
I'll say this as an American about China made music gear... The USA hasn't made good quality shit in a very long time. American workers do not take pride in their work anymore, and haven't in decades. Morale is low, and companies only give a shit about QUANTITY, not quality. They just pump stuff out quickly. The UK isn't much different. Good craftsmanship is hard to find in either place anymore. China has come a LONG ways in replicating things made in the USA and UK, and in a lot of cases, you can't tell the difference... In some cases, the China made stuff is better quality than their US counterparts. China made ripoffs of Ibanez and Gibson are a great example... A lot of them are better than the originals. Swap out a few cheap plastic parts and they're superior to the original. So, this being made in China doesn't matter to me. If it works well, then that's what matters to me.
Well, I know that could be the case in many instances about the USA. However, it would clearly be wrong to 'tar' all USA products in that way as there are many fine companies out there that I deal with and have dealt with for a long time that make exceptional equipment. I won't name this company, but let me explain. I have dealt with a company from Seattle since 1991 and they make specialized equipment. In fact they made some of the best in that field that there is. Currently, they are really struggling to stay there. Why? Let me explain. Firstly, their products cost money - they are not cheap because they pay USA employees the going rate for the labor. They would have it no other way. Then they actually make the components that go in to their products with very few exceptions other than a couple of motors. So their equipment is not sold on the basis of being the cheapest. Those are facts - and since 1991 as I said I sold those products in the UK and Europe. So how is it today. I can tell you first hand. In come the Chinese makers who copied the designs. Then they made them with labor that costs a fraction of that of USA employees. Lastly, they made them 'down to a price'. Put them on well known shopping websites, sell direct, and for a very low cost (forget the warranty) and hey presto, they are putting out of business the innovators form the USA. There is no other way to look at that situation. As far as music gear goes, there are many companies 'ripping off' as you said, designs that belong to others and they simply do not care. In my own experience I have seen some real junk from China guising in the form of a number of so called 'copies, but they all remains illegal and generally a shadow of the real thing. But it all goes so much further than the music junk you mentioned. It goes to the heart of the western world. Costs in the west are substantially higher than what they are in the far east and that will remain so for many years. That is, unless tariffs are applied to 'level out' the playing field regarding the discrepancy of labor and other costs as I have explained. I don't come from the USA so I have no real 'axe to grind', but I would say this, if I was a USA born and bred citizen I can tell you that I would be standing up for my country and the companies that make equipment there because when they are gone, trust me on this, your income and livelihood will suffer in one way or another. And what about when you can no longer even afford that cheap junk we spoke about because of that situation? I'm pretty sure that you will then consider the facts... but then it's all too late. Do you really think that the far east care about the welfare of the people of a foreign country? They don't. Of course, that's just an opinion from someone not in the USA who has seen it all going on in a business environment since 1981. Tell me I'm wrong... many will, but there is no denying what I have seen with my own business experience for many years now and its getting worse. Thanks for your thought provoking post and actually I appreciate that. Stay safe.
Some gear from China IS good.. like the PRS MT15 for example, but not everything is good is it. Celestion I note still DO make some speakers in the UK... and they are always higher cost and Celestion I'm sure suggest 'premium' product. They don't do that for no reason. This for example: celestion.com/product/g12m-50-hempback/ is made in the UK - ask yourself why if China is so great? China of course has a place, but it's certainly not the be all and end all of things for sure. Also remember this, my fave guitar is an Ibanez RG550LTD from about 98 or so, but for every 'brilliant' guitar like that I could show you about 30 that are less than average and some are absolute cr*p! I'm not anti Chinese at all, but don't think that everything coming from those regions is perfect. Lastly, I have a load of USA MADE guitars that are absolutely better than the far east stuff without doubt. If you want to see some visit my website at tonymckenzie.com and hey thanks for visiting.
i though this man was gonna play johnny b goode or something... not shred his heart out. great sound
:) Ever hear Hendrix do 'Johnny B Goode'? Listen with your ears and try and finds where Hendrix is playing with his teeth in that recording... THEN go and watch him play that in the San Diego Sports Arena... just awesome. Ha thanks for the kind words... and glad you liked it all...
I love the V-Type, its got all the great qualities of a Vintage 30 without that horrid peaky top end
I agree with you... I refitted the V-Type later :) My 1960 cabs I have (older ones) sound much better than the G12 used here too. Thanks and stay safe.
There is really no need to change such an EXCELLENT speaker as the V Type, I think it truly is a modern classic!
Well, later after the review, I DID change the speaker back to the original as supplied - The V-Type! Personally I found the 'new' Celestion G12-75 sounded very different to the ones I have in the Marshall cabs, so back went the original and its still like that today. But for me it was an interesting exercise for sure. Thanks for watching...
@@tonymckenzieofficial keep in mind that older speakers bear a lot of abuse, playing, humidity/ temperature changes so they lose their stiffness and harshness over time!
Your review was great!
(The V type is a great speaker, not to mention its price... I also like T75s and anything holds its place in the right application at the end of the day...)
Cheers, keep on rocking and may god bless you and all!!!
I know this is about a few years late but the cabinet makes a huge difference and for sure those new China G12-75 are going to sound brighter and stiffer among other nuances. For rock and certainly traditional Metal, I am really surprised how well they pair with the V series. With a mic on each, it’s like having two complementary guitars at once. Almost like overdubs when tracking, but at a distance they blend well. I’m certainly loading a 4x12 or 2x12 with Made in China V- series and G12-75 of which I was not a huge fan of by itself. In a mix is a whole different thing.
No problem ... Ultimately later I refitted the V-Type! The G-1275 was not really like the ones I have in the studio (4x12) so out it came later. Tanks for the post on how you mix the two and with which cabs etc... take note potential users... and thanks for watching.
They both mixing quite well in my Marshall 1960 cab. Quite similar but V type adds some upper mids where T-75 have a bit more low end. In my opinion they perfectly complement each other, without loosing their character. Nice playing!
Thanks for the opinion Greg... there was a difference and later actually I flipped the speaker back to the original! The G12T75 certainly did sound a little different to the ones in the studio... and thanks for watching too.
Here I find myself watching yet another of your videos admiring the same equipment. :) Great minds clearly think a lot alike. Thanks for making this my man!
Well I hope they help a little and thanks for watching.
Nice comparison and man you’re a top notch player!
Ha I'm often told I can't play! Probably from people that are just one of the internet crazies ;-) appreciated and thanks for watching.
Sound so good combined really, and wow your shredding had put a nice smile on my face. 🥳😁
I ended up refitting the V-Type later! Ha shredding was the Weetabix :) Thanks for watching.
What a cool playing, thank you so much! Both speakers are great in the mix.
Well thank you. Really appreciated and thanks for watching.
Great video Tony. To my ears i could not hear any difference. You on the other hand are in the moment, in amongst the feel etc and that makes all the difference to the way you feel about it. Keep healthy. John.
The G12T seemed just a bit more toppy. Not very noticeable, but when you're playing it is.... just as you said. After, when listening I would have said it's the same, but the G12T was just a little bit brighter. I used to have some eminence speakers many years ago and those really are very well made speakers. These days I use those Marshall 1960A cabs and a couple of other Marshall cabs with differing speakers in there as I don't play out any more. I really like those cabs, that purportedly have G12T's in there! But I think my 4x12's probably have older versions and those tend to sound good with all my amps. But the V-Type I liked especially in that little Marshall - it seems just right. Stay safe.
G12T-75 all the way. It really is the sound of Marshall/rock. It has been recorded more than any other speaker out there over the years. So for me...it is familiar. It feels and sounds right. Especially in a 4x12.
I know what you mean - and I'm surrounded in that room with at least FIVE x 4x12 Marshall cabs with G12T-75 watters in them. Some of the best sounding speakers and cabs out there. Its why I bought this one under review for the little 1x12. However, it does sound different in reality to the ones in the studio, and of the two the V-Type actually sounded nearer the G12T in the 4x12 cabs! Maybe its more settling in, or maybe because the new one is Made in China? who knows... but it certainly was an interesting little exercise. Stay safe.
I have to go with the V Type. Sounds more smoother and nicer to my ears. The Chinese bit doesn’t worry me too much as I’m sure Celestion keeps an eye on their quality if they want to keep charging what they do for speakers. Lol. Great playing by the way.
I'm with you on this. I refitted the V type later! It was a slightly less toppy sound to my ears and I have the V type in there now. Thanks for the kind words and stay safe.
I think the G12T 75's sound a little bit more high end, but in a balanced, not too bright good way, and the "V" thype speaker sounded darker and flatter.Maybe I'm biased, having used G12T75's for years, but I feel they are a better all round speaker, and still good for vintage tones.
Agreed. But the GT12's I have throughout the studio sound less bright here... those are older units though. I refitted the V Type eventually as it suited the amp better I thought in the end. Thanks for the info and stay safe.
I think they both sound very good and nice playing as well. You rock Tony!! I went to buy a pack of socks a few weeks ago and I picked them up and made in China, so I started looking at all the different brands - all made somewhere else, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. finally I found one and only one brand of (made in the USA). They were Hanes, so I purchased them, feeling patriotic that I had done the right thing. Well let me tell you, they were the worst socks I have ever owned. I am a Union millwright, and take pride in my work- but let me tell ya (made in the USA) ain’t what it used to be.
Ah Haynes.... Tee-shirts in Florida :) I have bought many when on vacation. Here in the UK the industry also moved to either India or the Far East. Cities built on clothing making don't have any now... places like Leicester in the UK. I used to supply wide format pen plotters to those companies, but today? No companies and frankly no plotter sales. Well, you can't blame the Far East for badly made products on local turf! Haynes were pretty good when I was buying them some years ago. The biggest problem that I see though is pricing. Even in what I do today, Far East product is priced to close down own turf manufacturing, and on many occasions I see (in my day job) that those particular Far East companies that are in my business sector simply do not care about standards, safety and that sort of thing whereas all the home turf makers have to abide by the rules or be closed by the government. It's generally an unfair playing field. Don't get me wrong, I am not biased against China and I sell Chinese made products every day. But the west will surely pay in the long run with jobs. FYI I have been involved with the Far East since 1984 and have been there very many times. Some of the gear is excellent, but some of it is not... I guess like anywhere. These speakers sound good, but I was rather surprised that the Chinese now own Celestion :( Stay safe.
The problem is though, that in general (I would say) that the public when they set out to buy things (and I'm included along with most people) they often don't think about where something is from... they might buy from a favourite maker (as I did in this case) or some other equally compelling reason. The real fix of course, is that governments resolve these issues because generally ordinary people will not... no matter what they say. Today unfortunately (or fortunately depending on the view point) I could say that Far East product IS the norm... and has been for some years. And it's not all bad gear... some is and some is not. I guess we're driven to origin by many household 'brands' that want to increase their margin (or to try and compete with Chinese products) and might not otherwise care either way. In any case, I 'get it' and know what you're saying for sure. Stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I remember growing up in the 70's & hearing another thing made in chi-NA. I didn't understand what the big deal was then but I did grow to learn why it is a big deal. You have uneducated people putting things together that really don't understand what they're putting together no QC. Not to mention the cheap chi-NA caps & other components. We live in a society that accepts a 300% markup where as the chinese make it to throw out.
Great video man!!! I watched your video about resurfacing the Marshall to red and it inspired me, I think I will be refinishing a couple of amps this week. I’ll try to make some videos and put up as well.
Yes get some covering and have a go... that's exactly what I did and if I can do it... anyone could! If you put them up here I'll post the link for you. :) Stay safe.
Personally I can't get over what a great player you are Tony! Amazing chops there for an old guy like me! LOL Rock on Tony!
Well thanks and glad you liked it. Much of the stuff I released with Alan Bruce is over the internet... like this: gravitywavescd.com/music-albums/eniac.htm and thanks.
Excellent playing. Very impressive 💪
Glad you liked it :) and thanks for watching...
Damn you make them both sound great !!!
Well thanks. I have an acquired tone and way of playing some love it and some don't but I guess that applies to everyone :).
Not long ago I bought a greenback and it was made in China I didn't even know it but they do have one made in England it's a 20 watt greenback for a fair bit more $. I'm thinking about purchasing it ,but I do like the darker tone (so-called) of the v type speaker. My Marshall sv20 is a little bright in the high input I think it would help tame it some (maybe) GOD I LOVE MARSHALL AMPS !!! The sound of rock and roll
Actually the V Type ended up as my favorite and was the one fitted to the cab as standard. I also thought the other one was a bit toppy and hence I sold it. I'm surrounded by G12H 70w (or maybe 75w) speakers in my studio and they work very well for me especially when you drive them a little. SV20 is a great amp too.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I'm just a 55 year old working man and money can be tight but I had to get that amp I was going to buy a new amplifier a years back. something told me to wait and then the SV20 came out and I had to get it I love it and Marshalls and your channel you seem like a good man that shoots straight from the hip
Well I have always thought that to mislead people or tell half the truth as many do is not for me. In fact in 2009 I had enough of listening to basically sales videos that I started to make my own. There have been a number of occasions when I have seen equipment that is less than perfect (although my money to buy it was perfect) and I have put that on here. Then you get threatened and all sorts for speaking what is plainly in the video review to see. Some of the 'fan boys' do no service to the makers they claim to support by condoning basically bad workmanship or junk. That is simply how it all is today and sad that real reviews where someone bought the gear and reviewed it as truthfully as they can get trodden down. But most of the people out there that know what they have seen get the picture I'm sure. It's certainly not like it used to be... but we only have to watch the news for all of that. Thanks.
I know this was a speaker video but, Man, that was some craaaaaazy tap shredding! Your technique is different. Do you have any lessons on your style? Thanks for sharing
Well thank you Stephen and well spotted because you're right I do use a 'weird' playing technique for tapping in particular. I never did make a video about how I do it because (to be honest) while there are certain things that I do, once I get going with it, the thing sort of goes in to an 'auto' mode where I don't really have to think about where my tapping finger goes... a bit hard to describe. But maybe I'll get to a video about it, expect only half the answer :) Hey thanks for watching and those kind words.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Your welcome. No problem. I was able to slow the video down and see mostly what you are doing. I'll just have to practice it a bit.
Great... ha tell me what I'm doing :) One thing you might note is that when I use my right hand the theory goes that you tap the string and pull it sideways to make the string vibe etc. but I tend not to do that as I just hit the string. It can sound a bit strange by itself, but over the years you'll see on the videos that I use a wah and that gives extra drive to make it all work in my sad case :) Thanks.
You might be interested ( knowing you) that fair deal music has a Marshall custom shop 🏬 4x12 art cab selling for 299.00 in the Black Friday sale with the G12T-7516 in it ( I jumped in and purchased it this morning ) there are now 3 left. Just saying. I have 2 of the v Celestion ( I think) in the back of my Marshall DSL 402 cr ( that’s fair deal music limited edition for 599.00) which I am really happy with. These 4 x12 cabs were on stage at the 50 yrs of loud Wembley concert in 2012 sept. So we’re probably played by the big hitters. I mistakenly thought they had green backs in em but ah well !!!! A Marshall custom shop 4x12 art cab made in England for 299.00 is a no brainer though. Seen one sold in America for 1200 quid.!!!!!!
Sadly, when I got there, they were gone! But thanks for posting this - really appreciated your actions... I did not look because I have had severe ear issues over last month nearly. Hospital Friday and hope it's all good. Five stars for letting me know - appreciated.
I like the V Type. It handles higher gain a bit better than the Vintage 30 {that I absolutely love} and also exhibits a bit tighter bottom as well. The V Type also comes in a NEO version that is over 6lbs lighter than the Vintage 30. Good news for us "Vintage" older chaps when you can lighten your 4x12 by 24.5 lbs or want a super compact and light 1x12 with enough power handling for a legit 50 watter.
After the review I later refitted the V Type (which the cab came with) as I felt it was a better smoother tone. The weight thing I agree and a good point. Thanks for watching.
Prefere the the speaker that comes in the cab Tony,the other is too bright for me.
Hope you are staying safe ?
I agree Martin and dig the user name :) Ha I have some words here for a 'Corona Blues' track :) I'm sure it will pop up some time :) The G12T-75 is slightly more toppy but not by a lot. Yes I'm safe here and I'm sure you'll be OK there too. We just have to be a little careful and it will get better over time.
Excellent playing!!!!!!!! They're very close in tone...I prefer the original speaker because to my ears it was just a bit, small bit, warmer in tone.
Thanks Rick. Indeed later I refitted the original too. Just enough difference to not like the other one for me. Stay safe.
Nice. I like your playing in this video. I really need to start tapping, it's one of those techniques that I have never really made a concentrated effort on, you make me want to give it another go :). As for the speakers. It's hard to say. I think they probably both need some time to break in and loosen up a bit. The times I've bought a new combo amp or speaker. It's taken a few days to get some of the harshness out and the transitions through the mids to smooth out a bit.
I do quite like the new V Types. I heard they are modeled on the Vintage 30 with the top end smoothed out slightly. I have to say, I think I preferred the V type in this demo. How much of that was just the fresh speaker being a bit tight and needing time to get broken in though.
Ha tapping... now there's a story. I might make a video about that because what I do is not tapping like everyone does really. It's because I can't do that any other way... and I blame my silly learning time (just after 1997) after the last band I was in ceased to be. Anyway I won't spoil it... but I'll probably make that video... its interesting probably because it's not what people do in the way I do. Maybe next weekend :). I think you are right on the V-Type result. It is better suited to the inclusion of that wah style - the GT12T seems a bit more top end and that makes the feel a bit funny. I used to have V30's (probably still have somewhere in here?) and those used to 'break up' sort of Hendrix style (you might know what I mean) but the V-Type I don't think does that... but then again it was running 5 watts :) not 100 watts x three :). The V-Type has it! Stay safe.
It's subtle, but to me the replacement speaker has a bit more high end definition.
Yes I agree. In my old fashioned way it's more 'toppy'. That is detrimental because I use the wah a lot, so I did put the V-Type back in there.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Interesting. I've heard isolated demos of the Chinese G12t-75 and I disliked the high end 'fizz' on them. In a mix, however, it isn't really audible, and it has the ability to cut through a mix. It's not as bad as it may appear in isolation... for lead playing only. Wonder if that is why YM likes it.
Well when I did this in the room so to speak I could tell pretty much early on that there was a difference that mattered. I was shocked because I'm surrounded by the G12T-75 in the studio, but this one was more toppy to me. So back went the V-type which I must say I really do like... but it reminds me of the G12T-75 that are there in the studio :) Maybe I should flip the labels... or worse, maybe they did! Stay safe.
I liked the g12t-75 better. Stood out better in the mix to my ear. I also have a marshall 4x12 with them as well so it may be what I'm used to. Cool video!
Ultimately later I refitted the V speaker :) - seemed to me that the older celestion I have in my Marshall cabs sounded more like the V so back in it went. Thanks for watching.
They're as much Celestion as a Fender is a Fender. Fenders are made in the US, Mexico, Japan, and Indonesia (slimline Fender Telecaster)
My older ones are better sounding for sure... and thanks for watching.
Tony, you can ROCK!!! Damn!!! NICE! I can't tell the difference but who cares they both sound great! Good post!
Scarily and at just 5 watts output! I have to say it did sound pretty cool with great tones. The V-Type (the first one) I felt suited the music style slightly better but not that much in it! Thanks for the kind words and stay safe.
Mr McKenzie your awesome wow that guitar playing you nailed it😜
I play a strange style really... some like it and others less so. But that combination of a wah, a good guitar and a Marshall is all I really need. Glad you liked it... and it just shows that we can all have many choices of speaker and amplifier, and we all love particular guitars, but at the end of the day.. a 20 watt Marshall, running at 5 watts with a guitar and a wah pedal could really do it all. My how things have changed over the years. Other amps do change things, but then I'm being picky. That little setup sounded to my ears better than the Suhr I recently reviewed that cost four times as much. Interesting stuff and thanks for watching. Stay safe.
Hi. Great video again. I m thinking to Change out the Vintage 30 from my Marshall SL5 to G12T -75 .
Which liked more on your video? Thx
Stay safe .
The G12T seemed very slightly more 'toppy' on the comparison to me. But different guys on here like different speakers - some like the V-Type and some the G12T. I bought the G12T because it will be inside some of those cabs in my studio and is a tried and trusted speaker model, but the V-Type on reflection (in a 1x12 and at 5 watts!) suited what I was playing I thought. They both performed of course, and the choice for anyone will be the style you play, the tones you like and how that speaker inspires you not form just the tone, but from the 'feel' when playing too. At least that's my excuse :). And yes be careful too...
Tap, tap,tap as Peter Cook used to say. The lead tones sounded nice to me through both speakers, I could not really hear much difference. Nice one Tony.
I think the first one was slightly better sounding (VERY slightly) for the style I played. The G12T had slightly more top end but not by much. Ha Peter Cook... I remember both of those guys well... how they got away with much of that I will never know :). Stay safe.
Tony, get some UK Made G12T75's and some UK Vintage 30's and mix them both in a cab. Unbelievable how great they fill each other out tonally. I was floored by doing this to two of my cabs. The UK G12T75's also pair fantastically with the Creamback 75's. I have one cab setup like this as well. Aaaaaand two Greenbacks with the G12T75's. Amazing speakers that blend amazingly with others. You should try it.
I have some Chinese G12T75's that are from mid 2000's that didn't sound half bad based on my memory, I am going to try against the UK ones soon. I thought yours here sounded good but did seem brighter.
Thanks for the info... that sounds interesting. I have to say I have not really experimented much with speakers... one reason is that I have about 5 4x12 Marshall cabs with the T12T75's in and they are old so likely UK made. I bought this G12 simply because I thought the V Type sounded a bit off and wanted to 'get back' to what I knew. In came the Chinese one. But after this video review after a week I actually refitted the V Type as I think it was better (less toppy) than the G12. I never said that on camera because the video was already completed. But it is an interesting thing because speakers are as major as you can get really - especially real ones :) I could try this but currently time is against me and the studio is being rearranged and added to which will make it hard to do the audio stuff until they are finished... then we have to lay out the whole thing... recording and video with new network for the audio and much more. Sounds like an excuse :) but really it is not... I'll bear this in mind and after the furor I might try to do it... if you do then still come back and tell me your thoughts too. and thanks for that...
The original made in UK Celestion G12T-75 were made for Metal/Speed Metal/Power Metal. The 5W increase was to handle the boost/Overdrive/Tube Screamer pedals in front of the JCM800, right? Subsequently, they came stock in the 1960A/1960B cabs for the JCM900 & Silver Jubilee stack cabs. To this day, the 1960B (flat face/bottom stack) cab loaded with G12T-75 is the best Marshall cab I've ever heard for Metal. Wooo! Great playing there! The difference in tones is subtle in lead, I like the T75 better, just because the mids are more focused, with fewer unpleasant highs peaks. That's what I heard on my monitors. Which one did you keep in the end?
Thanks for the info and for watching... Ultimately I refitted the V Type. The G12T-75 was not really like the ones in my 1960a cabs (I have had them a very long time) and for this particular setup the V-Type came out on top (after the video by a few months). Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
I like the G12T-75 best. I made the Cab for my Marshall amp and I used two G12M-70 16 Ohm "Made in England" in a 9 Cubic Feet cab. They sound almost like the G12T-70, good bass and aggressive highs. The G12T is home in a Marshall dual or quad cab. Good review and sound demo. Thanks.
Yes in a 4x12 cab maybe with the 'made in England' ones. Some say it makes no difference... but somehow I seem to have them in the studio in my 4x12 cabs and they sound very good. But in this 1x12 I do think the V-Type was better for the style I played... basically because the G12T is slightly more toppy and I don't need that when I use the wah to drive the amp as I did. Thanks for watching Michel and stay safe.
wow similar indeed. I thought the vtype was a tad darker than the g12t-75 . I wonder how rhythm would sound with these 2, Thanks for sharing
You have it right - the V-Type slightly less toppy. I might get to the rhythm... or not!. But if I do you're to blame :) Stay safe.
Both sound good. The new purchase may be a bit brighter. Do they feel the same?
No they don't. I think you are right about the brightness. You probably know I use the wah to achieve extra drive when I play that style, and the G12T-75 has a slightly different 'feel' which is so critical when I play that style. Strangely, I am surrounded by 4x12 cabs with generally the G12T-75 speakers in them with the odd exception. But I think those in my 4x12 Marshall cabs are probably made in the UK as I have had those cabs for years. It might not actually be that... maybe the 4x12 just has a different vibe (it does :) but I did notice a difference marginally. The 'feel' was far more important to that track really as it tends to be a pretty intense style for me to play... I can even say that a flat battery in the wah affects it because of a specific sustain 'feel' and anything lacking there stops me getting the style from working. It is a bit odd, but ha that's just me... odd! :) Stay safe there...
I own a V-Type, which I put into a Fender Supersonic 22 to tame the lows. The stock speaker arrived blown. I'm satisfied with it.
The T75 sounds brighter here. When it breaks in it might change a little. It's kinda difficult to make a choice with the wah going, but either one would work for me in the right context.
Mesa's V30s are made in England. I'm not too sure about any others.
I agree that the V-Type is slightly less toppy. Suits me better actually with my weird style :) I did look further and you're exactly right the Mesa speaker is made here, as are the 'Heritage' series - I think the rest are China. Stay safe...
Hey Tony......great video...love your playing......and ideas about things. I am looking for some g12t 75s at the moment to replace the g12L 35s in an old Marshall MG cab....I like the smaller size cabs as I get older...are all the celestions made overseas now. I like the old ones....I had a JCM 900 cab and it was all rock. I still liked the 75 watter in the shootout....especially on the lead work. Stay Safe Brother
Thanks for watching. No - some Celestions ARE made in the UK - but I can't advise which... but fact some are made here and some are Chinese it seems. Thanks
@@tonymckenzieofficial Hey Tony....hope you are doing good my friend. I ordered a couple of g12h 30 watters about a week ago....and guess what....the little white sticker on the side of the magnets say "Made in UK!! Absolutely made my day!!! Will report back on the sound from the USA. :)
:) great to know. Somehow it sort of instils some confidence in the Celestion's when that sticker is there :) yes do come back and post what you think about them....
@@tonymckenzieofficial Well......I have to say.....after breaking in the speakers for a couple of days...playing rhythm with the tracks you laid down, I couldnt have made a better choice in speakers. I have a couple of old mg cabs...and I put 2 g12h anniversary speakers in one cab....and left the other 2 g12l 35s in just to see what it would sound like.....and I tell you what.....that smaller cab rocks now.......now... I dont get to push it very hard.....but the sound coming out of that cabinet IS the sound of rock.(in my eyes and ears) The cabinet sounded "ok" with a 20 watt head pushing it before the change....but when I turned it up.....or pushed it with a 50 watter... it would kinda flutter out on the bottom end. I will be ordering 2 more for the other cab.....as I think 4 of those speakers in one cab may be too much for the cab.....but we shall see. Keep laying down those tracks brother....Im just now really getting back into playing.....and need that style of tracks to play to. I think just knowing those speakers were made in the UK...plays a part in how I play and feel.....its psychological tribalism.....and in my eyes...thats a good thing. :) Keep Rockin Friend
That's a great post and gives other guys another opinion about these particular speakers - always love to see someone that loves the stuff and tells how it all worked out for themselves. In many ways that is the same as what I do - and while they are all just opinions they are opinions from owners of the gear... that's far different than someone just telling you an opinion without foundation... thanks for posting this comment and I know that over time it will influence guys at the very least to consider these speakers. Ha I'll keep going as long as I can as guitar and the gear has been a very long time passion that I love to see. Thanks.
Hello Tony, I found the G12T sounds brighter, crisper high end-top end. The V speaker has what I call the "paper" sound in the mid range. Sorry to say not my favorite sound. I prefer the brighter sound. I run a pair of G12 T 100's in an old Ampeg cabinet powered by a 78 Marshall JMP.
Thanks for your video.
Ah but are the G12T's you have older ones? I think that does matter a little. I play a lot of wah pedal... and the G12T (particularly in this 1x12 cabinet) took the top end just a tad too far for me, where the V-Type seemed to handle that a bit better. I have many G12T in my Marshall cabs (1960a) and generally like those the best, but in that 1x12... I think that was the real difference. Thanks for the info Bill and interesting stuff. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
Thank you Tony
Any time. And thanks for taking the time to watch it. Interesting speakers for sure. Stay safe.
They are quite similar, maybe the G12T-75 is a touch brighter sounding. I use Vintage 30s and am pleased with them, the V type is meant to sound similar to a Vintage 30 with higher power handling. Celestion was bought out by a company in Hong Kong in 2014, now it operates as part of a group of companies, the headquarters is still in Ipswich but almost all production moved to China shortly after the takeover. Only very limited prestige models are still made in the UK.
Sad about Celestion... sure they sounded OK to me, but to be honest it was not expected to see Celestion's 'made in China' stickers on there. I did think they were very similar also and to my burned out ears hardly worth the effort. I'll put the original back as it 'felt' different when I was playing and that has an effect on how I play. Hard to describe really. Thanks Rob for the info... it just shows that knowing such an iconic brand (as I did) means little to nothing really today as to who or what you are dealing with. Stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial THAT WOULD BE AS BAD AS A SPITFIRE MADE IN HONG KONG.....
Been fighting between g10 greenbacks and these.... You made me choose these..... I think!
Yes but which ones? The V-Type or the G12T-75's? :) That is the dilemma really. Stay safe
I didn't hear any difference. Was there any tactile changes? You know, how it felt under your fingers.
There was a difference for sure. The V speaker was slightly less toppy overall. So much so that I refitted the V speaker later off camera and sold the G12 later. I tend to think on this one that it does influence my playing a little because if it sounds somehow 'better' to me I tend to be a little more in to the music somehow. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
My Marshall 4x12 Slant Cabinet (JCM800 Lead Series) Has the 75 Watt Celestions in it !!
I’ve Got a JCM2000DSL 100 Watt Head on top of it & A MESA BOOGIE DUAL RECTIFIER 100 Watt Head ON TOP OF THE JCM2000 !! I Just share the same bottom by switching the plug !!
1960A Cab? Those have G12T-75 in there I believe. Those cabs sound really great with almost any amp... I have a number of them and certainly in the case of the 4x12 I think they are pretty awesome. Similar to you here with different amps and they all sound cool. But in the case of this 1x12 cab as demonstrated I do think the V-Type (the first speaker) did sound better with the wah and my style of playing. The G12T had slightly too much top end - but NOT in a 4x12 cab. Now there's a point. Stay safe Gerry.
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I’ve Got 2 (4x12) Slanted Cabinets and All 8 Celestions are G12T-75’s !! I Know because one cabinet was given to me by a friend and when he gave it to me it had three drivers. Since his 2x12 cabinet I was servicing had one driver with a rubbing voice coil, I pulled one driver from the cabinet he gave me !!
Then, on EBay I bought two Celestions to complete the Cab !!
THE FRONT GOLD PLATE ON ONE SAYS “JCM 800 Lead Series” the Rear Tag 1960A the Other says “JCM 900 Lead-1960 !! The 900 has the impedance switch and two 1/4” sockets !!
I’ve Got Three Heads: JCM 800’s (50Watt non-switching & a 100Watt non-switching) JCM 2000DSL 100Watt !!! NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE THAT JUST MAKES NOISE !!!
Unfortunately, I now live in a Condo in Florida and my neighbor doesn’t let me turn them up !!
Oh all good stuff there and I do think the G12T-75's were common to the 800 and 900 with a different back plate and badges on the cab but speakers were the same. Nice amps you have too... the 800 is timeless really and the DSL (similar to the TSL one of my favourite amps) is a standard too. They all sound good. Ha I just make noise too but who cares :) its the fact that I'm sure you like playing as much as I do that matters really. I had a neighbour a very long time ago that threw a milk bottle through our window! But I was loud back then... that Marshall head would have been very loud to cause him to do that.
Hey,Tony I thought the new one had a little bit higher frequency response but not much difference,Cheers from Canada,hope all is well with the family.
I did too - no matter what I said on the video :) the G12T is slightly more toppy. I refitted the V-Type as that is better suited to my wah tones. That little bit of difference sort of makes it all feel so different. You might notice that on the V-Type speaker, I played better... the gear becomes more inspiring when it's exactly right for me and I tend to think about the music rather than the notes so to speak. The G12T will make eBay :). We're all OK here and have stayed home etc. But I am currently going to work to prepare for the start when staff come back in. I do think it's going to be a slow journey somehow. The USA is a little concerning as they seem to have 'opened up' a bit early maybe. In any case let's all stay safe, its sad enough watching the news and seeing many consequences of this pandemic. Thanks.
Tony, can you test open and closed back with each speaker. Take care.
I'll see if I can get around to it. I'm back at work currently and less time, but I'll bear it in mind. Good point and one I did not mention. Stay safe.
Malmsteen and Joe Satriani use the G12t75 exclusively. They are also stock speakers for I think 1960 Marshall cabs. I like the midrange with the G12 better than the v-type. V-Type can get really brittle sounding if you don't watch your presence and treble knobs.
Notice in this review that the T type were in fact more toppy with this Marshall JCM-800 20w Stealth. I found it the other way around... its true the T speaker was Chinese though... and the ones in my real 1960a cabs (all around me) were not Chinese. I do like the 1960a cabs a lot but mine are looking new but very old in reality. In this 1x12 I really did think the V Type was improved though. Probably in that cab in that circumstance. Later off camera I refitted the V type in that cab and sold the T type.. Thanks for watching.
Great soloing!
Thanks a lot Jim... and thanks for watching...
Manufacturing a speaker isn't rocket science, everything including materials and machinery is most likely the same under Celestion supervision. Pretty sure I'm not the only one that doesn't want to pay double just because some geezer put it together.
So if they are all the same go and try and buy a 1970's G12H or 25w Greenback etc. and you might have a surprise at the price they go for. Same old everything like you said, but in reality they sound different? I get it of course on the comments - and neither do I want to pay double, but you don't always pay double, and from what I saw the UK made ones were not really very different price wise. Notice in this review how there was a difference in tone. Lastly later I refitted the V Type. And note that I had G12H fotted to no less than 5 4x12 Marshall cabs around the studio - and they all sound different to this example shown here. I later sold the G12H. Good post for sure, but many are also quite picky on the tone. I just know the ones in the Marshal 1960a or b cabs sound different and while my cabs are not 70's cabs or anything like that, I can bet those are UK made since he 80's and 90's and early 2000's. Thanks for the post and for watching.
My fingers never did or will ever work at that speed so it's very hard for me to tell?? I have a lovely English G12t-75 (16 ohm) from 89 and I'm intimidated to buy a "international" (Chinese) 8ohm version as every review out there says they sound nothing like the Ipswich genuine ones.. so please play in 1st gear as well as 5th.. "speed demon" but also possibly comepair UK vs. China version? of G12t-75 and t-type..
Ha I get it David... it all depends on the track as to how I play and the gear under review... sometimes I play slow, and sometimes not very well (dependent on whether the gear is actually inspiring or not) and I'm just like everyone else on here. Yes the 'international' word might also well 'give away' the fact that the speaker is not from the UK. My apologies for that... I blame the track :) and I will on my next review 'add' some slower stuff too :) Thanks and stay safe.
Maybe contact Celestion and ask them which speakers are made in the UK.
Good point for sure, but really the comparison between the two speakers was the overall aim of the video with the 'Chinese' thing thrown in :) Thanks for watching!
👍🏻good video
Aha my little friend... thanks for watching this video and I hope you liked the playing... don't get too bored being at home - it won't be long before school is calling! So enjoy the time you have off. Stay safe... and I know you will :)
A bit more top end on the new speaker .It needs to be broken in to get the best comparison . But overall it does what it's meant to do , to be a greenback with the growl from a V30. It is close I'd say .👍🎸😷
That's exactly what I thought too. I fitted the original back and preferred that one. I'm surrounded by the G12 but they sound different in a 4x12 I think. Stay safe Bob.
Are you using a wah pedal..?
Indeed I use my wah lots, but not quite as many think... thanks.
MIND THE CAPS...HERE ARE THE THINGS I CONSIDER RABBIT HOLES.....STRINGS, PEDALS, SPEAKERS, TUBES, AMPS, GUITARS, TONE WOODS....SINGLE COIL VS HUMBUCKER VS P90....ARGHHHHH!!!! TONY MY FRIEND, CAN YOU DO A REVIEW OF CHEAP PEDALS VS MORE EXPENSIVE TYPES? YOU KNOW ME I AM A VERY LOYAL FAN HERE.
Valid points for sure. Honestly I do review pedals but only because I struggle to find other new gear... it IS difficult these days with so much less stuff being made from what I see - and so many companies going slow... thanks for watching - appreciated.
@@tonymckenzieofficial THANK YOU FOR THE PROMT REPLY ALOS, ONE MORE THING, CAN YOU GO INTO DEPTH ABOUT THE CERIATONE LEVIATHAN AND THE COMPANY, DETAILS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME ESPECIALLY ON OUTSTANDING COMPANIES WHO OFFER BETTER EQUIPMENT AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE, THANK YOU TONY KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK, AND YOU GUITAR SKILLS ARE ABOVE AVERAGE.
I don't have one :( but the company is very well run by Nick - and he will ensure through help and service that you will end up with a great amp, whether you make it or they do... I bought a Overtone HRM from them and the complete build is on my channel how I did it, and also a review some while back. Thanks.
PLAYED YOUR VIDEO THRU MY STEREO SYSTEM (Infinity QLS-1 Speakers) ALL CELESTION DRIVERS SOUNDED IDENTICAL !! AT FIRST THE REPLACEMENT DRIVER DIDN’T SOUND AS LOUD AS THE ORIGINAL ??
Thanks for the info. There is a slight difference but not by much it seemed to me. But when I was playing the 'feel' was better with the V-Type. The wah pedal I use often for a drive pedal really - I guess rather like a treble boost, and it's a fine balance when I do that. I have a lot of wah pedals and some are not quite as suited to that style. In this case it was a Dunlop Jerry Cantrell wah... perfect for me. Thanks for the info.
I hate how they don't label where the speaker is made. Andertons sells all Chinese speakers and don't tell you.
As you see on these at least one was marked up... but certainly it seems some are not marked. Thanks for watching too.
The new speaker sounds a bit brighter IMO..nice
Thing is, there IS a difference... I actually fitted the V Type back in later as that was nearer the G12H's in the studio which were old... thanks.
Hi Tony! If I had to make a choice of only one speaker I would take the GT Celestion, I think the sound IS a lot more clean and defined, a lot more body (of the sound), but anyway It's only my opinion. Greetings Tony!! Stay safe...
There was a difference but on my naff hearing these days it did not seem a huge difference to me. I thought the G12T-75 was a little more 'toppy'. Of course, its all opinion and the truth is, we're all different to what is a great tone. If you check below from many other guys my guess is it's about a 50/50 either way. But it was interesting to do this one and thanks for watching too... yes you stay safe too.
We have the same problem over here in the Colonies! Ya can't find ANYTHING marked "Made In USA" any more, not even sandpaper. It's all made in China, or Indonesia, or Ooogaboogistan. Whatever. Looked at a small Marshall amp over here a couple years ago; immediately walked away from it when I saw "Made in China." ...Yeah, I thought the two Chinese speakers were about the same, or close enuff to.
Oh I know... it's the same everywhere now. And often it's companies home grown that flip production to the Far East. I could name many of them - some of which don't want you to know the origin of the products. But I do think that the politicians in the USA, UK, France, Italy and some other places are on to these problems since these current virus issues. The question of the 'no ventilators' could be easily made on home ground is scary. Imagine if the countries we all buy from became hostile? It all goes beyond a few bits and pieces made abroad really. Any country not self sufficient could really have problems. Stay safe.
Everything these days are made in chi-NA 😡 I heard a slight difference. I don't think the porting of the cab played a role in the sound. The difference is in the frequencies of the speakers. The V Type is a good sounding speaker as is the G12T-75. Great playing \\m//
Yes there was a small difference and after the video I did actually revert to the V Type for that cab. I have loads of older G12T-75's and even greenbacks older but the new one was different than the older ones I have. I thought overall (after more consideration) that the V Type was more like what I expected and that did surprise me. Thanks for the post and for watching.
@@tonymckenzieofficial You're welcome. I just sold a set of new Greenbacks I had since 2018 they just didn't sound like the old ones.
Oh no!! 😂 the part: new one being made in China 🙃😂 ffs... sorry to point out the obvious but you needed to change the cab cover for a mask maybe?
Defo heard a difference... there’d be a difference again if wasn’t made in China right? Have you done a comparison of this new one & one of the ones you already have?
I know, questions questions!! I’m like a new woman in your life 😂 hope you’re well - that tapping was insane btw 🔥
Well, I pointed out the MIC because to be honest (I'm old school) I thought Celestion were made in the UK... silly me! On this, just FYI I later did refit the V-Type back in to that cab because I thought the V-Type sounded just that bit nicer. Seemed like the G12T-75 was not like the ones I have in the studio (I have the older UK ones) that actually sound great... in Marshall 1960A cabs. I can only report what I hear and there can be many reasons of course... such as my Marshall cabs being used for years etc. it all counts I guess. But I was a little shocked by Chinese Celestion I must say. I bought the G12T-75 BECAUSE of the ones in my studio... it was a mistake for me and I sold it later. But an interesting video I thought and I was surprised that I refitted the V-Type :) (Ha I think also Chinese?) ... OMG not another woman... so many... so little time... Glad you liked the tapping and remember to crank it up when you watch it! Thanks for watching and stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial oh i always listen cranked in headphones - sounded brilliant! Have a great weekend & thanks for the info
Both sound good, think the v type sounds a bit better
I agree - and later refitted the V-Type to the cab!. Thanks for watching.
I have two v types in a blackstar artist 30 with 6l6 tubes. It’s oddly warm sounding , it did remind me of my 4x12 1960a can w the jvmhjs I have in terms of mid range cut and warmth butttt, there is this high end fizzy thing that I think is due to the v type. Off axis is alright but in front it’s just not enjoyable to me and I’m really trying to find speakers that can cut and don’t sound harsh in front. Iv thought of creamback 65s but heard they don’t cut well. Iv heard the creamback75s compares to eminecence cv75s and the cv 75s sound a tad warmer and much thicker. Not sure , I don’t know much about wiring new speakers myself so I’d have to pay every time I switch em out ontop of speakers purchases so idk what to do lol.
They are all subjective really and what one guy likes the next will not... check the posts below. The general consensus is that (in this test) that the G12H is more toppy than the V Type. Remember these are both new speakers and fitted to a 1x12 cab. I have at lest 5 1960a cabs in my studio all full of the G12H and those (they are much older) sound really good to my ears no matter what amp I plug in. But in this test, I actually liked the V Type better (I did not believe I would say that) as it was just a but less toppy and when playing through that it just had a better feel and tone to me. I later refitted the V Type! But generally I like the G12H. I have some greenbacks fitted in a reissue Marshall cab from the factory also and that's cool for vintage amps but when you put modern high gain amps on there I tend to like those far less than the G12H. It's hard to really tell what works for someone and I think really best to try a particular speaker set if you can. I bought a few less than perfect ones over the years. Thanks for the post and stay safe too.
Oh, common... again this topic? Made in China vs made in UK... Celestion stopped making their basic models in the UK way back sometimes around 2003. The only models being made in the UK are Alnico (Blue & Gold), and the Heritage and Creamback series. Mesa V30's are also made in the UK.
Where they are made doesn't really matter. If the speaker specs is exactly the same, the location of manufacture won't matter much.
Furthermore, If you make a phone call to the UK distributor of Celestion, you will find out that:
- 80-90% of Celestions are assembled in China;
- the cone & voice coil are made in England;
- the viscosity and opacity of the wood pulp in the paper cone determines the sound;
- the cones have ALWAYS been made by a small company - Kurt Mueller, who only make cones;
- they use the same paper as it was in the 50s/60s;
- there are no cones made in China.
Also for those of you guys that are trying to compare China vs UK ones just by listening on youtube, please do know that it is very complicated to capture the true sound of a speaker, every mic will sound different and even tiny mic position adjustments will induce a huge difference in sound. You'd have to listen in the room PERSONALLY to make a true impression.
And even if there may be differences in sound if you compare directly (China vs UK speakers), it is not to say that one sounds better or worse than another. For example, I do own an american made Electro-Voice Mesa Boogie Black Shadow and some chinese Celestion V30's, the V30 sounds far better to my taste and for my playing preferences. Also when comparing you have to play chords/riffs in order to make the difference more accentuated, soloing will sound alike give or take, which the comments of this video show.
Hi Artur, on this occasion there is no argument? In fact BOTH speakers are Chinese, and I asked which one do you like the best of the two in this particular setup. Having said that, you will know that the Mesa Boogie speakers are made in Celestion in the UK and I doubt that Mesa buy more expensive speakers simply for the sake of it? The 'Heritage' speakers are also made in the UK. Other than that, well there is no 'argument'? I do think you have some very valid points and good info in this post too. But I don't think I have seen any comparisons of these two speakers (wherever they came from) that I showed in this way in this equipment... why? Because the amplifier and it's speaker cabinet are not yet released in the UK for probably 6-8 weeks... in fact that Marshall setup can't be bought right now from anywhere. The sounds ARE subjective for sure, and you are spot on with that, just read the entries below and I think it's about 50/50 which speaker sounds 'best'. Me? I refitted the V-Type as it was slightly less toppy than the G12T-75.
The comments of this video DO NOT show that the 'soloing' sounds alike.. you are wrong on that point I'm afraid. Go back and reads them again, and if that does not convince you, my question asking which was better part way through the video shows data as an this, or that, result but averaged to 50/50.
For me, the question of 'China' manufacturing goes way beyond that of simply buying a Chinese product. Currently, there are a substantial number of countries that could not buy at ANY PRICE PPE protection... why? Simple, because China bought it all up two months before it was needed every where else. That situation leaves external countries like yours and mine 'dependent' on China. Now then, you might find that's 'OK'... but throughout the world today it's a different place than what it was in January. And from what many leaders of countries are saying these days, you might find a resurgence over time of manufacturing in those countries and a move away from Chinese manufacturing. Somehow I doubt it will be just PPE, or Huawei or... well you name it. I know in some of the things I do that there are moves for manufacturing to other countries and those appeared even before the current situation - probably driven by President Trump and the well documented China trade wars going on. Little to do with speakers... but in a way, everything to do with the music business.
Thanks Artur for you very interesting post and there's some great info in there to be had. Stay safe too!
@@tonymckenzieofficial cheers mate, I didn't mean to say that I have the universal truth here :) I just read a few comments and I couldn't agree more that the difference you showed us in sound was not an obvious one. Probably if you'd have recorded rhythm, the difference would be more pronounced, that's just my IMHO. anyway.
about the whole made in China thing... I personally think that we should trust the manufacturer, whether they have decided to move their production in China, Indonesia or whatnot. Or at least we should not use expressions like "this is not a Celestion" :) or we also should say: this is not a Shure mic (made in Mexico), this is not an Iphone (made in China) etc etc :) please take this with a grain of salt, cause I'm down a few pints and wouldn't want to turn this into a long scientific debate :) best of luck! ;)
Just FYI on the first one I did record the rhythm... but as it was already there I did not on the version two... I'm bone idle :) good point and maybe next time. Ha... I get it on the 'Made in China' thing. Apple? so funny.. they make them there to screw us all - lowest cost highest price. Nuff said on that one. and thanks for the reply... Stay safe!
when we watch this video; I thought the type V is made in England ... I have a G12T-75 that I will mount with a G12M65 creamback
Current V-Type is not... and neither was the G12T-75. The Older G12T was made UK but apparently they are now abroad. IMO the G12T had a nicer less toppy tome to it. A mix of speakers can be very useful and many guys do that. In my case I have a number of Marshall stock 4x12 cabs so I tend to stick with them - they are older and UK made speakers. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
The 12t sound clearer with more bite!
Thanks and I think you are right. It's not by much but a slightly more toppy sound. But it really was not that different and I was a bit surprised by that. Stay safe.
Same
I thought the V-Type was actually a bit smoother... thanks....
Your a few yrs older than me and if I got down on the ground I'd need a helping hand getting up. LOL
Surely not :) Trust me, I had pretty much aggro just walking 250 metres... out of breath. it turned out to be 'Angina'. I have some pills that solved it, but I should be slower these days they say. As we get older it certainly gets harder to do the stuff, and on music like on here it actually does take it out of you so to speak. Strangely, (I don't know why) sometimes I will hold my breath for the 'taxing' bits. Listen with a bile like that one you have... you'll be going for years :).
Use a 212 cab and have one of each. It RIPS!
Later off camera I refitted the V Type! (overall I liked it better). Thanks for watching.
I liked the V type better, it sounds bit darker and more cheesy.
Cheesy! Ha.. what can I say.... except that I liked the V-Type better too and I refitted it later. Stay safe.
Definition of g12T 75 is way better to my ears. There’s body, where the other speaker lacked.
Thanks... after the event I decided that the V-Type (the first one!) was more 'toppy' and less suited to the wah involvement. Of course that's just me, and other guys might love the G12T better as you did Chris. I noticed that the 'feel' of the speaker created a better overall sort of inspiring the playing... nothing I could infer (i.e. it does not come with the speaker :) but the feel just seemed batter to me. Thanks Chris... and stay safe.
Tony.
Sure. It’s my choice too, but often disregarded. The bass is fine, too is sweet and body is thick. Don’t get me wrong, I still eq a little 250hz out of the sound, but otherwise they’re great.
Just don’t care for the Celestion speakers much they put out now sounds like playing though a metal bullhorn old greenbacks are the best
I get that. But the G12H are pretty cool in the old cabs I have and sound good for rock stuff. Greenbacks are a legend of course... thanks and stay safe.
i think almost the entire celestion line is made in china, if not all of it.
There certainly is a lot made in China for sure like you say, but I think there are some still UK made. Needs investigations further unless someone can name the speakers... great point. Stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I believe their alnico magnet speakers and the Mesa boogie labeled v30s are the only ones made in England now but hell I may be wrong I've been wrong before and they're very expensive.
Thanks for the info... and stay safe.
I've found that Celestions are grossly overpriced for the quality you're getting. Grab a couple of the Eminence equivalent. No, they're not UK made, but they're a quality US-made products that's made a ton of great speakers for better prices.
You're the second guy to mention Eminence... and I know those are pretty good speakers. I had some years ago and remember them well. I like REAL USA made gear - (not the makers that lie about their origin of the far east) and have a lot of time for that. But also UK gear too although there is far less here these days. I could count on one hand the UK makers really. Having said that, I did actually like the V-Type a lot more than the G12T I swapped to, so the V-Type was refitted. :) Stay safe.
Yes try the Tonkerlite. I have 2 2x12 cabs with them.
The first time I heard of Chinese made instruments was when Behringer started his theft of Mackie mix tables last century. At the time there were almost no Chinese products for the music industry. Now it is almost impossible to find non Chinese products - - progress?????
Indeed. And from my point of view I do feel that many (most) makers have a big hand in all of the origin thing. Whether they were 'greedy' and wanted bigger margins, or alternatively to compete with other brands who knows, but they are the guys that drove it all. And of course the consumer that generally only sees price as the criteria to buy. Ha really great how you used 'last century' and that sort of stuff in the comment :) I smiled of course. I am less impressed with companies that try and 'hide' the origin of a product and infer that their products are (for example) USA made when really they are as Chinese or Far East as can be. Stay safe.
Fun fact - when we were kids, the toys from Japan were considered cheap and unreliable - supposedly they then named a manufacturing city Usa and could legally say "made in Usa".
I have 6 guitars, 3 handmade (2 Favinos and mine), 1 from Kalamazoo, 1 from South Korea, and a cheapy Cort from China that I bought from a friend in need. I try to avoid junk, but it is becoming more difficult.
I remember the 'Made in Japan' too. I started work at 15. One first job was to go to the 'stores' under instruction from my engineer and ask for a 'long weight'. Indeed I DID wait... about 30 minutes and then the penny dropped. A year or two later I had a little 50cc Suzuki motorbike that I had scraped and saved for seemed like forever. In any case, I was told to 'go and get a pair of 'footprints' from the same stores window. While I was collecting those, I spoke to George... he seemed like an 'old man' to this young man at the time. I happened to mention that I had bought a Suzuki. He immediately threw down the 'footprints' and walked off muttering. So the other guy came over and said... don't mention 'Japan' and Suzuki to George. Of course I had no clue, so I asked, why? The second guy chirped in and said that George had been captured in the war and was held by the Japanese. Then they told me the stores of how George was treated. For George it was as real as being there. For me? I loved that little Suzuki 50. Things certainly do change, and I'm sure there are not too many 'George's' left any more. But we might be going through a pandemic right now that has killed tens of thousands of people and I wonder if the remnants of this pandemic later could make many people take a view like a 'George'. Of course none of this relates to the Chinese people many of which are my friends, but rather to a political state CCP where ordinary people probably have little or no say. It's a sad fact of our times that something like this pandemic could have those sort of repercussions - especially at government levels. Now - just believe me, I am not really political, but rather reflective of that time standing at the stores window watching 'George' and wondering what it was all about... something I never saw in my lifetime thankfully. Who knows what the future brings in those respects. Off topic I know (or is it?) but that 'Made in Japan' comment made me immediately think of George, who will undoubtedly have passed on by now. I don't believe George would ever buy anything from Japan... ever.
Another interesting anecdote - I'm from Michigan, and when the Japanese cars came to the States, with all options included and good reliability, the motor industry of the Motor City began to see the tail lights. If the big wigs in the big industries had more heart, we would have better lives, but cutting labor costs means bigger salaries for them. You can see through a pane of glass, but when you cover one side with silver, you only see yourself. I was a caddy when I was 13, and have worked ever since, but mostly as an independent, luckily!!!
Hahah Tony, they are CHELESTION
:) or Far Eastion... :) trust you're OK there Tommy.
tonymckenziecom We are still isolating. Coming on two months. BUT the pool is open!
You can take a speaker out of the country but you can’t take the country out of the speaker. They should have rebranded. But hey, I just found out years later. I checked all mine. All from my favorite country...The UK.
Just back from surfing... (well not really) :) I agree. The 'Heritage' and Mesa are the only ones made here now it seems. I think my ones in the cabs will be also UK as I have had them all a lot longer than when they 'sold out'. Sad really. But maybe the world will wake up to the China syndrome after the ccp virus I guess....
tonymckenziecom Take a Look at Warehouse (WGS) speakers. I have a few. Half the price of UK Celestions and sound as good, if not better.
Hope you are all safe during this time of Corona.
I'll look them up. I have heard of them but never looked closer, but I will. I just bought a JVM410HJS back :) (The Satch version) they are now getting expensive and you don't see many for sale. I reviewed that amp 8 years ago! But watching it again recently, it was not really a 'great' review if adequate for the time. I later wrote a review on my site that surpassed the video by far. That amp has probably the best channel on ANY of the amps since the JCM800 (channel two red) and it was only ever to be a short run really. I did have two of the regular amp (JVM410H) and they were terrible - feedback (think squeal), no choke and many other short comings. The Satch amp even has a different board inside it.... while it looks 'the same' it is far and away better than the standard amp. That 'inside and out' review will surpass the 8 year old one substantially I'm sure and its an amp always worth looking at. Not sure if you played one of those Tommy, but if you get a chance try it channel 2 red. :) Yes stay safe there too...
Original is sweeter...
I thought so too! :) So I later refitted the original... stay safe.
Sounds like the both speaker’s were made by the same Chinese dude.. Very very Litte difference..😕👎👎 Not like the real deal.. 👍 Buy a real Celestion Speaker 🔊 and do another demo .. 👍 Cheers 🍻
Brilliant comment. But others here say Celestion sold out to the Far East some years ago :(. I do know they do make 'the odd one' in the UK though. I also felt they sounded very similar but there was a difference in the 'feel' as I played. I could guess the ones in my older Marshall 1960 cabs are UK ones. Stay safe.
I'll say this as an American about China made music gear... The USA hasn't made good quality shit in a very long time. American workers do not take pride in their work anymore, and haven't in decades. Morale is low, and companies only give a shit about QUANTITY, not quality. They just pump stuff out quickly. The UK isn't much different. Good craftsmanship is hard to find in either place anymore. China has come a LONG ways in replicating things made in the USA and UK, and in a lot of cases, you can't tell the difference... In some cases, the China made stuff is better quality than their US counterparts. China made ripoffs of Ibanez and Gibson are a great example... A lot of them are better than the originals. Swap out a few cheap plastic parts and they're superior to the original. So, this being made in China doesn't matter to me. If it works well, then that's what matters to me.
Well, I know that could be the case in many instances about the USA. However, it would clearly be wrong to 'tar' all USA products in that way as there are many fine companies out there that I deal with and have dealt with for a long time that make exceptional equipment. I won't name this company, but let me explain. I have dealt with a company from Seattle since 1991 and they make specialized equipment. In fact they made some of the best in that field that there is. Currently, they are really struggling to stay there. Why? Let me explain. Firstly, their products cost money - they are not cheap because they pay USA employees the going rate for the labor. They would have it no other way. Then they actually make the components that go in to their products with very few exceptions other than a couple of motors. So their equipment is not sold on the basis of being the cheapest. Those are facts - and since 1991 as I said I sold those products in the UK and Europe.
So how is it today. I can tell you first hand. In come the Chinese makers who copied the designs. Then they made them with labor that costs a fraction of that of USA employees. Lastly, they made them 'down to a price'. Put them on well known shopping websites, sell direct, and for a very low cost (forget the warranty) and hey presto, they are putting out of business the innovators form the USA. There is no other way to look at that situation.
As far as music gear goes, there are many companies 'ripping off' as you said, designs that belong to others and they simply do not care. In my own experience I have seen some real junk from China guising in the form of a number of so called 'copies, but they all remains illegal and generally a shadow of the real thing. But it all goes so much further than the music junk you mentioned. It goes to the heart of the western world. Costs in the west are substantially higher than what they are in the far east and that will remain so for many years. That is, unless tariffs are applied to 'level out' the playing field regarding the discrepancy of labor and other costs as I have explained.
I don't come from the USA so I have no real 'axe to grind', but I would say this, if I was a USA born and bred citizen I can tell you that I would be standing up for my country and the companies that make equipment there because when they are gone, trust me on this, your income and livelihood will suffer in one way or another. And what about when you can no longer even afford that cheap junk we spoke about because of that situation? I'm pretty sure that you will then consider the facts... but then it's all too late. Do you really think that the far east care about the welfare of the people of a foreign country? They don't.
Of course, that's just an opinion from someone not in the USA who has seen it all going on in a business environment since 1981. Tell me I'm wrong... many will, but there is no denying what I have seen with my own business experience for many years now and its getting worse. Thanks for your thought provoking post and actually I appreciate that. Stay safe.
Wow that's one bad cat
One pussy maybe... ;-)
man china probably makes the better one ,They make better guitars so why not. Japan and s, korea are better quality than u s a too
Some gear from China IS good.. like the PRS MT15 for example, but not everything is good is it. Celestion I note still DO make some speakers in the UK... and they are always higher cost and Celestion I'm sure suggest 'premium' product. They don't do that for no reason. This for example: celestion.com/product/g12m-50-hempback/ is made in the UK - ask yourself why if China is so great? China of course has a place, but it's certainly not the be all and end all of things for sure. Also remember this, my fave guitar is an Ibanez RG550LTD from about 98 or so, but for every 'brilliant' guitar like that I could show you about 30 that are less than average and some are absolute cr*p! I'm not anti Chinese at all, but don't think that everything coming from those regions is perfect. Lastly, I have a load of USA MADE guitars that are absolutely better than the far east stuff without doubt. If you want to see some visit my website at tonymckenzie.com and hey thanks for visiting.