Phenomenal coverage and review of a bike as always. For me the most important aspect of why 44Teeth reviews are so good; You never try to hide the fact that there are other moto-journalist at the event, getting the same invite. You don’t film around them, you don’t edit other riders out. We get exactly what you are seeing at the event and it’s fantastic. You are the best, never change, stay golden Pony Boy.
I’m a really big fan of the layout of how you guys review, you do a first impressions sort of thing then maybe a quick update and onboard , then you do a full fat review with the both of you, really good way of doing it
Great to get feedback from the channel. Really shows you value your viewers. Can't say enough good things, I'm going to become a supporter all the way from beautiful Breckenridge, Colorado USA
Best ever bike review video? definitely! Not only is the Duke better but 44Teeth, already insanely good, just keeps going from strength to strength. Loves it!
That track session in Portimao with all the mates wheeling down the straight and tearing up that closed circuit looked like literally the greatest fun I've seen. Love this channel. Amazing review. Cheers gents
Owned a 2016 SD GT and now a 2018 SDR. Love the very unique motor. All that torque and horsepower all below 9500 rpm. Perfect got the street, Goldilocks zone!
I have almost 6,000 miles on my 2019 super duke and the front tire looks brand new.I’ve noticed confidence is something you earn ,it’s not given.I don’t start shaking till almost an hour before I ride ,not the night before like I use to...I love it !!!
i own a superduke 1290 R from 2018 and trust me even with anti wheelie on you can do a wheelie from 1st to 3rd gear without the front wheel touching the ground
'Praise the Orange Lord', 'Church of Braaap'! And the way you guys place this bike among others with a degree of precision and verbal acuity is what sets you out compared to other motorcycle journalists. Keep up the great work!
This is a testament to you guys and the way you do reviews. I really don't care for this type of bike, I respect them they're cool, but not my style. However I still watched this whole review because of the pair of you. Great review.
Great review. I have the gen 2 with acrapovic mupo suspension Kim rearsets etc and I absolutely love it. Prefer it to my zx10 trackbike. Stable as a very stable thing. Fun fun fun. This thing must be very good indeed.
Great work you guys do at 44Teeth. So , as I'm looking forward to the 2020 hypernaked model class, I was waiting for the new Duke and the Ducati Streetfighter. For starters, I'm was impressed with the new Duke, but after seeing it live couple of days ago in Berlin's Motorshow, and compared to the Italian Exoticas, it lacks finishing quality at least, not to mention pricing and all the aftermarket stuff you have to add on ( Quickshifter etc.) Also, For some reason it feels cheap compared to Aprilia and Ducati. On the other hand , after seeing the bonkers Ducati Streetfighter in person, it's definitely one of the most beautiful bikes out there, huge wow factor the power / weight ratio, but still noticing the details behind the dash and on the control buttons, it seems like an unfinished project. Not to mention that just an aftermarket exhaust will cost around 4k in €. ( compared to the old all time classic Streetfighter 1098s, this one lacks uniqueness ). Last but not least, the king on modern Hypernakeds, the Aprilia Tuono, which yes it only got some carbon parts and new paint for 2020, yes it might be a 10year old design ( but still an Italian beauty) , yes it still doesn't have led, someone can write no fuel gauge, or reliability issues ( valve check during the big service ), but it's still is the bike to beat. One of the best engines ever built, quality finish in most parts around, sound from another planet, ohlins electronic front and rear, and on fast roads or track, no KTM, no Ducati , no Yamaha will catch up the Thunder, cause Aprilia's frame is far superior than anyone else . That's why the rsv4 is still faster in lap times, that's why the Tuono will be still the king of Hypernakeds. The new s1000r has yet to come, but as the current model, they tried to create a 'German' Tuono, so good luck trying again. And considering the prices of each to reach the standard equipment of the Tuono 1100 factory, for me there's nothing else more valuable out there. Best road bike money can buy as Statham rightly said still on 2020. Taking all this into consideration, I'm ordering the Aprilia Tuono Factory in May, to enjoy the wonderful Summer days in Greece. Hopefully this text won't disturb you guys, it's just my honest opinion after years of riding. Peace & love motorcycling friends!
Fantastic review. I see this thing in my near future ! I believe this bike appeals to folks who are quick around the track and then riding road becomes not so exciting at some point on a proper supersport. So instead of going mach speeds on public roads, it is pure fun to just pop some wheelies, skids, stoppies at an overall slower pace from A to B. I had Tuono for 2 years - awesome bike, but like you said , this package is different.
@@brokeblasian Look even "closer", there's nothing to protect the small, skinny, bottom brace. The fat spar has it's one protecting the top and bottom like every other chain driven motorcycle.
From no plans to change bikes to picking up a sd1290 in 3 days, 1 km! The rest of the test ride was just a blur filled with giggles, and I,'m used to pretty powerfull 4-cylinder bikes.
Having been lucky enough to own the original I’m grateful to still be here. Fab bike, awesome engine, brakes etc but wrapped in a mountain bike chassis that bucks and weaves (even off throttle). Sounds like the newest incarnation addresses a lot of this and I’m stoked as it’s a blast to ride. No offence to SD owners but the MT10 is way better on road, shed loads cheaper and can actually hold a line through a corner.
Opened 1290 Super Duke R 2022 forks yesterday to swap springs for higher rate as front was bottoming to hydrostop often and sag was 50mm with +3 preload. Stock springs are progressive (read fucked up badly), strange shape and 9.0N/mm rated (weak). Swapped stock unreasonable springs with linear (good) k-tech 10.0 N/mm springs. With no spring and ventilation bolt on fork cap opened to eliminate air spring intervention measured hard bottom as 19mm from axle casting to bottom of dust seal. Some resistance starts from around 25mm from axle casting - probably hydro stops of some sort. Topout springs start engaging at 130mm from axle casting to bottom of the dust seal and fork is completely extended at 160mm (requires too much of force to extend (compress topouts completely)). So if WP/KTM would to all calculation right front total travel would be 141mm before it would hit hard bottom - that would be very nice, but no... Stock oil level - 70mm which is very high (read fucked up oil level). Changed oil level to 100mm. Springs to linear k-tech 10N/mm. Vented the forks with topouts compressed (fork forcefully extended to the max. This reduces cavitation a bit + more air spring) set +3mm on preload adjuster. With front wheel installed and in the air - 150mm from axle casting to bottom of dust seal, static sag 29mm rider sag 41mm (87kg rider weight in gear). This allows for 131mm fork travel from where wheel hanging on topouts to hard bottom, or 125mm to hydro stop (5mm improvement to stock setup on travel). Stoppie test is good with no bottoming and not reaching hydro stops (gradual and controlled front dive through the stroke on braking). Now forks feel much better in all aspects. Forks position have to be adjusted to compensate for higher riding front indue to sag change (set to your likening and based on shock spring and preload). Compression and rebound - start at 11 for both and go up/down from there. Conclusion - stock fork springs are progressive and way too soft for riding with this fast heavy motorcycle. Stock oil level is way too high. Those two aspects reduce reasonable usable fork travel to unreasonable and low level. At descending tight turns over bumps at high speed stock fork setup was packing and deflecting - dangerous (all chances to loose front) even with +3 preload. Cure for that is to speedup rebound but that was creating all sorts of other issues. Cure for forks is 10N/mm linear springs and 100mm oil level. However for track use linear 11N/mm springs and maybe lower oil level could be better option. Above description can be used as instruction on how to un-fuck front suspension on 1290 Super Duke R 2020 to 2022 (Sarcastic joke: and as a sentence to hang those who made decision on soft progressive front suspension springs and high stock oil level at KTM or/and WP by their balls and beat them gently with those soft progressive 9.0N/mm springs), as forks setup goes they sell stock bike which is is not just unseasonable but (sadly not a joke) actually dangerous to ride on the road in some conditions. Person who decided on toptout spring length and rate (joke: deserves some minor spanking for unreasonable and unnecessary fork travel loss. Same spanking applies to person who designed or/and approved unreasonable for bike of this type spring preload adjusters in both range and steps terms). Above story does not apply to EVO models because I had no chance to test those and I could not care less about semi-active suspension marketing. Thank you for reading, I hope it was helpful. P.S. 114 links chain and 17T/40T sprocket combination seems to bring a bit more fun than stock 17T/38T combination.
@@gerardmontgomery280 better max torque on the ktm, but a stronger torque curve on kawi maybe? Plus very easy to unlock the kawi's potential up to 240bhp which would take it up to same price as cheapest Duke. Duke still lighter though...
I've been on an MT-07 for 4 years and it's time for an upgrade. I'm really struggling to choose between the MT-09/SP, MT-10/SP and 1290 Super Duke R. I love the sound of the MT-10 but I know the Super Duke is all around a better bike and I love the lightness/cheapness of the MT-09. I love the look of all three although I'm not a fan of the grey engine/brown exhaust on the Super Duke.
Euro 5 is basically coming in two stages, 5.1 then 5.2. KTM have complied with 5.1 which is the emissions etc. 5.2 is as you say the data logging when the bikes come in to the dealer for a service or whatever and gets plugged in with the diagnostics tool and KTM takes info from that for various reasons.
I love KTM motorcycles but there weird logic is something I can't understand, CEO saying that superbikes with 180+ bhp are dangerous so they stop making RC 8. They launch a 180 bhp superduke a complete hooligan wheelie motorcycle 🤔.
cranky1812 The CEO is full of it. He only said that so they have a pretense/excuse for not building a superbike. And I say that as a guy who has owned a pair of Super Dukes and who really doesn't like superbikes..
Great bike. Shame that the quickshifter, MSR and track mode software needs you to buy an unlock code for something like £600. I'm not spending £15,000 on a bike that has the electronics locked behind a paywall and doesn't come with heated grips either. I also don't know why they need 10 different buttons for the dash when a simple joystick would work just as well. And the bezel on the dash is enormousness and the speedo is massive which both make it look tacky and it's got that asymmetrical bump on top. I much preferred the 2017 dash.
I appreciate the review, it has helped me decide whether to get a banging deal on a left over new 2018 SDR or get the brand new 2020 SDR. I still haven't decided. lol
CycleCruza get rid of the tuono bash it and get a ktm?? Hahahahahaha you are truly a lame. This bike doesn’t come close to the beauty or capabilities of the tuono
james avery huh?? My tuono has OVER 200hp. Ccuckelcrusier is a poser. If either one of you think I’m a liar or want to race, put the money up. The super duke is amazing it can’t compete with the tuono
@@davidmhead I just told the truth. The tuono was an awesome bike, V4 sound and performance was amazing BUT my very first ride it went into limp mode and when I took it to the dealer under warranty Aprilia would not pay for the repair which just amounted to updating the software and checking the bike over, the dealer ended up eating the cost but it delayed me getting the bike. Also, Aprilia headquarters USA said if I put an exhaust on the bike the warranty will be voided. The bike was still acting like it wanted to go in limp mode on occasion but it never did. I did not trust that bike. Also, the high footpegs and sporty riding position made the bike feel like a RSV4 with handlebars, a bit irritating on long rides. When I sold the tuono the shipper that came to pick the bike up told me that a dealer he worked with got rid of their Aprilia bikes and stopped selling Aprilia bikes because they often had trouble getting Aprilia to pay for warranty work the dealer had to eat the cost.
After riding Honda Suzuki and Kawasaki. I tried my cousin super duke I never thought one day I will buy a naked bike but the super duke R change my life every time I ride I am happy and smiling it is the best bike I ever own. YES it’s the BEAST!!!!
By the way I forgot to mention I’m 65 only have a dirtbike at the time my last bike was an older Yamaha 1100 naked. My first bike was a Rutman minibike then I Honda 50 then a Kawasaki 350 triple in the rest is history started at 10 can’t wait for your next review
Do you think 6 months down the line, the extras you need, dealerships will be putting them off as promo freebies, to get that extra sale. Much as they do now. Great review, got to love this channel 💪💪😂😂😂🇬🇧
The Ducati Monster inspired header looks great and I absolutely love that stupidly huge high torque V-twin engine. Something about that UI on the screen with that absurdly large speedo though, it just doesn’t work for me. No its not a dealbreaker but an odd design choice, seems quite out of place on a bike like this. The speed on my bike is like 1/3 the size and I never felt it was hard to read. Also miss the old trellis front and rear frames which looked much more “exotic”, but also not a dealbreaker. Can’t wait to demo ride myself.
I can´t wait till you guys test the Ducati Streetfighter...! All other UA-cam channels aren´t that much fun, informative, inspiring etc. to watch! cheers!
I’m in the market for a super naked so far it’s between Superduke R Speed triple RS and Aprilla Tuono. Anyone have any suggestions? Greatly appreciated!
Jordy Garrido: Good neck muscles SDR, smiles for miles. Race bike with slightly upright bars Tuono and a even better taller screen. Some nice double bubble, ones out there. I came from SDR MK2 to a Tuono. So just my take on it💪💪👍
I think there us something special in the DNA of KTM bikes. I have a 2007 950 supermoto, I love it and have no desire to upgrade because the bike they made is so bloody good. This new SD is a belter though.
I fully agree. The trellis subframe was more sexy. If they wanted to get rid of the trellis, why not add the sexy ass from the RC8R to the superduke ! This subframe isn't sexy at all, who cares it can take the weight of an elephant... The one thing I like more on this iteration is the cockpit buttons, those look very TRON-like :) Also the usable TC sounds a nice to have. I own a 1190 Adventure R , and a 2016 1290 Superduke Special Edition and I NEVER use the TC. In the wet I just drive slower :) ( very nice review by the way, as always 44Teeth )
@@Nerezza1 yep it all comes to production cost, they are reducing factory costs and increasing the price, and theu always use the same excuse "hummmm electronics" FUCK ELECTORNICS, these bikes now cost the same as a car, 20k, and last time i checked a 20k car as like 10x more electronics than these bikes. KTM got fucking greedy, period.
22.18 the vid I want to see concerning Euro 5 is it’s effect on the 2 nd hand market in the UK. Due to green concerns will all pre Euro 5 bikes be banned from the roads. If so what sort of time scale are we talking about , 2 years or 10 ?
Paul F the current proposal is ALL motorcycles will be emission tested at the MOT for the first time and ALL motorcycle will be tested to EURO 5 standards . No engine from pre EURO 3 will pass. Your bike from that point will be worthless.
I read the squat issue was too much travel, so that the geometry changed too much during "dynamic" manouvres, upsetting handling balance. That's why the new one has the "standard" 120 mm now. Also, the old SDR had the shock too close to vertical, so it was not as progressive as it could have been as a direct mount setup. Rotating it more towards horizontal makes it stiffen up a lot as it compresses, giving better support in corners and under acceleration. Of course, this is all for the road - nice and compliant (soft) in a straight line, with extra support coming in when you're "on it". For track / race, you don't want a progressive linkage as it becomes inconsistent between extremes, and the overall stiffer suspension required for a straight rate linkage (and fast lap times) is not an issue on smooth surfaces at full attack.
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KTM finally getting it worked out. I'll stick with my Aprilia, with the correct number of cylinders, and a free up/down quick shifter.
I had the mk1 1290 and thought it sucked ass after getting used to torque tank slipper out of every corner and that’s road use Would you say it’s a big step up compared to the mk1
I remember a few years back when you did the launch of the MT10SP and i loved how much fun you said it was, a year on in 2018 i got my own MT10SP and love every second of it, not cause its the fastest, not because it has the best lap times but because its just fun, i find myself laughing and giggling like a school girl all the time and i can see haw this new Super Duke R is the same thing. If i'm concidering upgrading my bike this will now be on the list for sure. Great review guys ;)
Is it too much bike for the road though? Would something like a Street triple RS be more fun because it's lighter and you can use it to a larger extent than you can with this bike?
KTM Hype machine at work here - lavishing out on press releases in sunny climes. Read the forums and online reviews to get a true feel for KTM as both a product and a company. 44 Teeth is a great production effort, but you shouldn't use it as brand endorsement, because the reality of ownership for many ain't so glitzy. Factor in some balance by broadcasting issues people have with product and company - maybe then KTM might take some notice, rather than ignore/deny/refuse.
Looking back at this video a bit down the line, I bought a 2020 1290 SDGT, not even the R, coming from an S1000XR i was like "it can't be THAT powerful" Then the wheel came up in 4th at a 110...
I got the 2020 one and it dont wheelie like they can, may be to do with my suspension setup as im a light weight and have little preload on but not sure why my one wont go up, only 1st gear will do it and 2nd gear is where its at for others, let me know if anyone has any ideas, the bike is in track mode with anti wheelie off by the way, thanks for a great vlog letting us see what this bike can do guys
I dont think anyone can deny it looks great and will be fun to ride. But where I see ktm let themselves down are in smaller details. Like did they ever fix the bearing issue in rear wheel that plagued so many. After spending 16k you can understand why people were pissed off.
But is it worth the money over a leftover/used Gen 2? Looking at a two-up bike for the lady and I and also a track bike for myself and really been eyeing the SDR, but it's even more expensive than my RSV4...
Another great review from you guys and thanks for the answers on the electronic questions on the minds of most possible purchasers in the simplicity of the new settings and no more having to reset the modes or buy a dongle 😍thanks fellas
I have the 2017 gen 2 with full akra, lots of carbon after having had the 2015 model but this new one i just don't like the looks, that plastic round the tank, no trellis, the seat so won't be changing this time maybe gen 4 will do it for me.
Does anyone k ow how reliable the 2.0's are? I've never owned a KTM and head mixed comments on reliability. I read some comments that brag about being over 40,000 miles and then some saying they sold because it was in the shop too often. I've been spoiled with the crossplane MT10,..2.5 years , bought new at launch and NOT ONE ISSUE! No recals, no failures, just the insane reliability you can expect from Yamaha . Another interesting note at least in utah,..I insured my brand new MT10 , full coverage for $22 a month!!!!!??????? My r1M if spend regular time periods each month making my insureancr payment crying at the amount of $ to insure a superbike,..when I was shopping for my supernaked, the 2.0 SDR had jsut come out and the insurance, same company was not far off of my r1m???? Obviously it's 6-9k more expensive but that's not it because the ratio doesn't make sense, it's 5 times more expensive than the MT10. Allstate considers the MT10 as a standard "commuter" motorcycle. Like an FZ07 lol,apparently they haven't rode one. Some day I'll own a 2 or 3.0 , when they dip into the $13k used pricepoint in a few years I'll make my move. Although now it will have to be a 3.0 since they have the 6 axis imu , 3 times the regitity , more hp and torque and lower, cruise , much more adjustable suspension which I spend time at the track so now I'm out another extra couple years to get a 3.0 damnit! If yamaha would stop punishing America and release the MT10 -SP here my problems would be solved , especially now with the flash and harness available that activates the R1M's IMU that's already on the bike but not usable for 90% of at function.
Phenomenal coverage and review of a bike as always. For me the most important aspect of why 44Teeth reviews are so good; You never try to hide the fact that there are other moto-journalist at the event, getting the same invite. You don’t film around them, you don’t edit other riders out. We get exactly what you are seeing at the event and it’s fantastic. You are the best, never change, stay golden Pony Boy.
That's a good point, very true!
Amen
I’m here cos the bants are non stop !! 🤙🏻
Why does it have a front wheel?
Homer Simpson “lolling hard bro”
for stoppies
Just for when its parked up
For that rolling burnout at the start.
Same reason it's got a kickstand , so it doesn't fall over when it's parked
"I've got a reeally itchy arsehole" the 2020 super duke from ktm - available at your local ktm dealership.
"Praise the Orange Lord" has a slightly different ring in the US.
I felt that...
Ooof!
LOOOOOOOOOL orange blob more like
carnival barker....
Yes, somewhat more "Goosesteppy."
I’m a really big fan of the layout of how you guys review, you do a first impressions sort of thing then maybe a quick update and onboard , then you do a full fat review with the both of you, really good way of doing it
I’ve bought a 2021 SuperDuke R and I absolutely adore it. It’s immense power and it’s the best bike I’ve ever had to give smiles per mile.
How is it when having a pillion ?
You guys are killing it best reviews out there! you guys should have 1 mil subs easy!
As a past 990 Superduke owner, this is my dream bike. Bar none.
God I want it so bad, I might even start making an effort at work to get it.
Best channel on UA-cam and the best thing on the internet. Great work guys, love the Super Duke and your input. Keep up the great work!
Great to get feedback from the channel. Really shows you value your viewers. Can't say enough good things, I'm going to become a supporter all the way from beautiful Breckenridge, Colorado USA
Such a great review format, quickly becoming the best in the business. Good job lads!
Best ever bike review video? definitely! Not only is the Duke better but 44Teeth, already insanely good, just keeps going from strength to strength. Loves it!
CHEMICAL TRAILS ¬ @11:55 This is nice isn't it??? WTF Brain dead, now trust the review lol.
That track session in Portimao with all the mates wheeling down the straight and tearing up that closed circuit looked like literally the greatest fun I've seen. Love this channel. Amazing review. Cheers gents
Owned a 2016 SD GT and now a 2018 SDR. Love the very unique motor. All that torque and horsepower all below 9500 rpm. Perfect got the street, Goldilocks zone!
I have almost 6,000 miles on my 2019 super duke and the front tire looks brand new.I’ve noticed confidence is something you earn ,it’s not given.I don’t start shaking till almost an hour before I ride ,not the night before like I use to...I love it !!!
6000 miles how is this possible! My front is finished at 2000 and the back tire at 1400!
KTM must be the only motorcycle company in the world that holds the quick-shifter hostage and demands a ransom for it.
CycleCruza suppose that means you’re not too keen on getting a 2020 super duke then lol
i own a superduke 1290 R from 2018 and trust me even with anti wheelie on you can do a wheelie from 1st to 3rd gear without the front wheel touching the ground
even in 5th gear when driving 120km/h and you twist the throttle it will come of the ground
Worth every penny
If you find the correct dealer they will include everything for you , I did !!!
Wow looks great! Nice to see Luke on the other side of the fence, looking forward to seeing his unbiased review 😂
Welcome indeed to The Church of Braaaaaappppppp! 😍
CHEMICAL TRAILS ¬ @11:55 This is nice isn't it??? WTF now trust the review lol.
Yes, new vid on the 44 tubes. Highlight of the day vegetating after coming off night shift.
44 Teeth delivers the most fun, the most informative and long Review off the Austrian oak ; )
'Praise the Orange Lord', 'Church of Braaap'! And the way you guys place this bike among others with a degree of precision and verbal acuity is what sets you out compared to other motorcycle journalists. Keep up the great work!
This is a testament to you guys and the way you do reviews. I really don't care for this type of bike, I respect them they're cool, but not my style. However I still watched this whole review because of the pair of you. Great review.
Great review. I have the gen 2 with acrapovic mupo suspension Kim rearsets etc and I absolutely love it. Prefer it to my zx10 trackbike. Stable as a very stable thing. Fun fun fun. This thing must be very good indeed.
When your speedo reads "0" and your rev counter reads 9K your having fun.
Great work you guys do at 44Teeth.
So , as I'm looking forward to the 2020 hypernaked model class, I was waiting for the new Duke and the Ducati Streetfighter.
For starters, I'm was impressed with the new Duke, but after seeing it live couple of days ago in Berlin's Motorshow, and compared to the Italian Exoticas, it lacks finishing quality at least, not to mention pricing and all the aftermarket stuff you have to add on ( Quickshifter etc.)
Also, For some reason it feels cheap compared to Aprilia and Ducati.
On the other hand , after seeing the bonkers Ducati Streetfighter in person, it's definitely one of the most beautiful bikes out there, huge wow factor the power / weight ratio, but still noticing the details behind the dash and on the control buttons, it seems like an unfinished project. Not to mention that just an aftermarket exhaust will cost around 4k in €. ( compared to the old all time classic Streetfighter 1098s, this one lacks uniqueness ).
Last but not least, the king on modern Hypernakeds, the Aprilia Tuono, which yes it only got some carbon parts and new paint for 2020, yes it might be a 10year old design ( but still an Italian beauty) , yes it still doesn't have led, someone can write no fuel gauge, or reliability issues ( valve check during the big service ), but it's still is the bike to beat. One of the best engines ever built, quality finish in most parts around, sound from another planet, ohlins electronic front and rear, and on fast roads or track, no KTM, no Ducati , no Yamaha will catch up the Thunder, cause Aprilia's frame is far superior than anyone else .
That's why the rsv4 is still faster in lap times, that's why the Tuono will be still the king of Hypernakeds.
The new s1000r has yet to come, but as the current model, they tried to create a 'German' Tuono, so good luck trying again.
And considering the prices of each to reach the standard equipment of the Tuono 1100 factory, for me there's nothing else more valuable out there. Best road bike money can buy as Statham rightly said still on 2020.
Taking all this into consideration, I'm ordering the Aprilia Tuono Factory in May, to enjoy the wonderful Summer days in Greece.
Hopefully this text won't disturb you guys, it's just my honest opinion after years of riding.
Peace & love motorcycling friends!
Would love a go on one of these! Great review as always lads 👍🏻
Fantastic review. I see this thing in my near future ! I believe this bike appeals to folks who are quick around the track and then riding road becomes not so exciting at some point on a proper supersport. So instead of going mach speeds on public roads, it is pure fun to just pop some wheelies, skids, stoppies at an overall slower pace from A to B. I had Tuono for 2 years - awesome bike, but like you said , this package is different.
I’m only at 4:00 but i remember Chris saying that they should make the TFT orange and black a while ago and look, they did it. 👍🏻
There's a KTM dealership just up the road from me, I have to keep reminding myself how poor I am.
Food and housing are overrated. Get the bike.
18:36 me going past a shop window 😄
16:57 Yep. The chain already started eating the swing.
Good catch, hopefully they'll see it and install a plastic slider there before kicking bikes out the plant's doors.
Yet another reason why single sided swing arms are stupid.
JIGA BACHI there is already a slider on there if you look closely
@@brokeblasian Look even "closer", there's nothing to protect the small, skinny, bottom brace.
The fat spar has it's one protecting the top and bottom like every other chain driven motorcycle.
@@Nerezza1 Especially, when the "open side" is completely covered by exhaust.
Quality work and slick production as always. Sounds like the Beast now has a new outfit, gone to finishing school and wants to party.
From no plans to change bikes to picking up a sd1290 in 3 days, 1 km!
The rest of the test ride was just a blur filled with giggles, and I,'m used to pretty powerfull 4-cylinder bikes.
Having been lucky enough to own the original I’m grateful to still be here. Fab bike, awesome engine, brakes etc but wrapped in a mountain bike chassis that bucks and weaves (even off throttle). Sounds like the newest incarnation addresses a lot of this and I’m stoked as it’s a blast to ride. No offence to SD owners but the MT10 is way better on road, shed loads cheaper and can actually hold a line through a corner.
Fantastic review as always, production so on point I watched it twice!✊🏼💨💨
Quality vid that. Gives a real perspective of everyday blokes on a track day 👊🏼
Great review, you manage to give a lot more ‘feeling’ in your reviews, I can’t wait to test ride one !
Opened 1290 Super Duke R 2022 forks yesterday to swap springs for higher rate as front was bottoming to hydrostop often and sag was 50mm with +3 preload. Stock springs are progressive (read fucked up badly), strange shape and 9.0N/mm rated (weak). Swapped stock unreasonable springs with linear (good) k-tech 10.0 N/mm springs. With no spring and ventilation bolt on fork cap opened to eliminate air spring intervention measured hard bottom as 19mm from axle casting to bottom of dust seal. Some resistance starts from around 25mm from axle casting - probably hydro stops of some sort. Topout springs start engaging at 130mm from axle casting to bottom of the dust seal and fork is completely extended at 160mm (requires too much of force to extend (compress topouts completely)). So if WP/KTM would to all calculation right front total travel would be 141mm before it would hit hard bottom - that would be very nice, but no... Stock oil level - 70mm which is very high (read fucked up oil level). Changed oil level to 100mm. Springs to linear k-tech 10N/mm. Vented the forks with topouts compressed (fork forcefully extended to the max. This reduces cavitation a bit + more air spring) set +3mm on preload adjuster. With front wheel installed and in the air - 150mm from axle casting to bottom of dust seal, static sag 29mm rider sag 41mm (87kg rider weight in gear). This allows for 131mm fork travel from where wheel hanging on topouts to hard bottom, or 125mm to hydro stop (5mm improvement to stock setup on travel). Stoppie test is good with no bottoming and not reaching hydro stops (gradual and controlled front dive through the stroke on braking). Now forks feel much better in all aspects. Forks position have to be adjusted to compensate for higher riding front indue to sag change (set to your likening and based on shock spring and preload). Compression and rebound - start at 11 for both and go up/down from there. Conclusion - stock fork springs are progressive and way too soft for riding with this fast heavy motorcycle. Stock oil level is way too high. Those two aspects reduce reasonable usable fork travel to unreasonable and low level. At descending tight turns over bumps at high speed stock fork setup was packing and deflecting - dangerous (all chances to loose front) even with +3 preload. Cure for that is to speedup rebound but that was creating all sorts of other issues. Cure for forks is 10N/mm linear springs and 100mm oil level. However for track use linear 11N/mm springs and maybe lower oil level could be better option. Above description can be used as instruction on how to un-fuck front suspension on 1290 Super Duke R 2020 to 2022 (Sarcastic joke: and as a sentence to hang those who made decision on soft progressive front suspension springs and high stock oil level at KTM or/and WP by their balls and beat them gently with those soft progressive 9.0N/mm springs), as forks setup goes they sell stock bike which is is not just unseasonable but (sadly not a joke) actually dangerous to ride on the road in some conditions. Person who decided on toptout spring length and rate (joke: deserves some minor spanking for unreasonable and unnecessary fork travel loss. Same spanking applies to person who designed or/and approved unreasonable for bike of this type spring preload adjusters in both range and steps terms). Above story does not apply to EVO models because I had no chance to test those and I could not care less about semi-active suspension marketing. Thank you for reading, I hope it was helpful. P.S. 114 links chain and 17T/40T sprocket combination seems to bring a bit more fun than stock 17T/38T combination.
There's this beauty and then there's the horrendous zh2
I wonder which designer drew that and thought, " That is beautiful", the zh2.
Tragic but true
But which one is more fun?
@@Savantjazzcollective I'd guess the KTM. Torquey twins are fun at all speeds.
@@gerardmontgomery280 better max torque on the ktm, but a stronger torque curve on kawi maybe? Plus very easy to unlock the kawi's potential up to 240bhp which would take it up to same price as cheapest Duke. Duke still lighter though...
The two of you have progressed into the best motorcycle UA-cam show. How does the KTM compare to the Ducati Street Fighter?
I've been on an MT-07 for 4 years and it's time for an upgrade. I'm really struggling to choose between the MT-09/SP, MT-10/SP and 1290 Super Duke R. I love the sound of the MT-10 but I know the Super Duke is all around a better bike and I love the lightness/cheapness of the MT-09. I love the look of all three although I'm not a fan of the grey engine/brown exhaust on the Super Duke.
Euro 5 is basically coming in two stages, 5.1 then 5.2. KTM have complied with 5.1 which is the emissions etc. 5.2 is as you say the data logging when the bikes come in to the dealer for a service or whatever and gets plugged in with the diagnostics tool and KTM takes info from that for various reasons.
I love KTM motorcycles but there weird logic is something I can't understand, CEO saying that superbikes with 180+ bhp are dangerous so they stop making RC 8. They launch a 180 bhp superduke a complete hooligan wheelie motorcycle 🤔.
cranky1812 The CEO is full of it. He only said that so they have a pretense/excuse for not building a superbike. And I say that as a guy who has owned a pair of Super Dukes and who really doesn't like superbikes..
Never believe the CEO of any company
@@glackandbold7270 probably but their RC series is awesome. One day I'll definitely buy RC8. I have a modified RC 390.
@@bocajuniors55 lol.
They can't barely compete with the sports bike. But they are badass when it comes to naked bikes! They dominated it surely!
24:25 - The reaction of every single person who has ridden my Super Duke when they twist the throttle
26:44 is that really true?? I heard that C1 and C2 only brings you to your favourite setting. But doesn't save a specific setup!?!?
I’ve just purchased a gen3 with track pack pick it up on the 18/02/23 can’t bloody wait ❤
They wheelied so much the license plates scraped off! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Great bike. Shame that the quickshifter, MSR and track mode software needs you to buy an unlock code for something like £600. I'm not spending £15,000 on a bike that has the electronics locked behind a paywall and doesn't come with heated grips either. I also don't know why they need 10 different buttons for the dash when a simple joystick would work just as well. And the bezel on the dash is enormousness and the speedo is massive which both make it look tacky and it's got that asymmetrical bump on top. I much preferred the 2017 dash.
I appreciate the review, it has helped me decide whether to get a banging deal on a left over new 2018 SDR or get the brand new 2020 SDR. I still haven't decided. lol
New one it is!
I'm picking a 2018 up with 621miles on it with track pack and performance pack and heated grips for a little over have the price of a 2020.
CycleCruza get rid of the tuono bash it and get a ktm?? Hahahahahaha you are truly a lame. This bike doesn’t come close to the beauty or capabilities of the tuono
james avery huh?? My tuono has OVER 200hp. Ccuckelcrusier is a poser. If either one of you think I’m a liar or want to race, put the money up. The super duke is amazing it can’t compete with the tuono
@@davidmhead I just told the truth. The tuono was an awesome bike, V4 sound and performance was amazing BUT my very first ride it went into limp mode and when I took it to the dealer under warranty Aprilia would not pay for the repair which just amounted to updating the software and checking the bike over, the dealer ended up eating the cost but it delayed me getting the bike. Also, Aprilia headquarters USA said if I put an exhaust on the bike the warranty will be voided. The bike was still acting like it wanted to go in limp mode on occasion but it never did. I did not trust that bike. Also, the high footpegs and sporty riding position made the bike feel like a RSV4 with handlebars, a bit irritating on long rides. When I sold the tuono the shipper that came to pick the bike up told me that a dealer he worked with got rid of their Aprilia bikes and stopped selling Aprilia bikes because they often had trouble getting Aprilia to pay for warranty work the dealer had to eat the cost.
So which would you have, the 2020 KTM Super Duke or the 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S?
Statham, what's your take on this?
This is the conundrum!
After riding Honda Suzuki and Kawasaki. I tried my cousin super duke I never thought one day I will buy a naked bike but the super duke R change my life every time I ride I am happy and smiling it is the best bike I ever own. YES it’s the BEAST!!!!
Been waiting for this review.......Didn't disappoint in the least. Standout review.
By the way I forgot to mention I’m 65 only have a dirtbike at the time my last bike was an older Yamaha 1100 naked. My first bike was a Rutman minibike then I Honda 50 then a Kawasaki 350 triple in the rest is history started at 10 can’t wait for your next review
Do you think 6 months down the line, the extras you need, dealerships will be putting them off as promo freebies, to get that extra sale. Much as they do now. Great review, got to love this channel 💪💪😂😂😂🇬🇧
Dave P prudent buyers always wait for deals - I got a smoking deal on my 2019 SD buying it at the end of the season. 0% financing too
McWilliams doing 250kph wheelies. I'll take it.
Why is it that every time I see a video about the Super Duke, the front end is hanging in the air?
The Ducati Monster inspired header looks great and I absolutely love that stupidly huge high torque V-twin engine. Something about that UI on the screen with that absurdly large speedo though, it just doesn’t work for me. No its not a dealbreaker but an odd design choice, seems quite out of place on a bike like this. The speed on my bike is like 1/3 the size and I never felt it was hard to read. Also miss the old trellis front and rear frames which looked much more “exotic”, but also not a dealbreaker. Can’t wait to demo ride myself.
I can´t wait till you guys test the Ducati Streetfighter...! All other UA-cam channels aren´t that much fun, informative, inspiring etc. to watch! cheers!
I understand why the changed the trellis subframe but I think the old rear definitely looked better
I’m in the market for a super naked so far it’s between Superduke R Speed triple RS and Aprilla Tuono. Anyone have any suggestions? Greatly appreciated!
Jordy Garrido: Good neck muscles SDR, smiles for miles. Race bike with slightly upright bars Tuono and a even better taller screen. Some nice double bubble, ones out there. I came from SDR MK2 to a Tuono. So just my take on it💪💪👍
I think there us something special in the DNA of KTM bikes. I have a 2007 950 supermoto, I love it and have no desire to upgrade because the bike they made is so bloody good. This new SD is a belter though.
5:32 why did he do that, putting your foot down isnt going to do anything
Aprilia bases the Tuono on their hypersport because they *have* a brilliant hypersport
@Bernd DasBrot haven't tried the "beast" yet but coming from triumph nakeds the the tuono is way better bike imo
Bernd DasBrot It’s a great road bike if you have great roads.
is that boothie at Fastbikes at 23:05 you passed?
The exposed trellis subframe was a defining feature of the old model. Shame it’s gone
agree with this.
I fully agree. The trellis subframe was more sexy. If they wanted to get rid of the trellis, why not add the sexy ass from the RC8R to the superduke ! This subframe isn't sexy at all, who cares it can take the weight of an elephant... The one thing I like more on this iteration is the cockpit buttons, those look very TRON-like :)
Also the usable TC sounds a nice to have. I own a 1190 Adventure R , and a 2016 1290 Superduke Special Edition and I NEVER use the TC. In the wet I just drive slower :)
( very nice review by the way, as always 44Teeth )
The 790 Duke sorta is to blame for this. They realised they could make a simpler steel frame with a cheap and light cast aluminium subframe.
Honestly this one looks better! Minimal and classy in my opinion
@@Nerezza1 yep it all comes to production cost, they are reducing factory costs and increasing the price, and theu always use the same excuse "hummmm electronics" FUCK ELECTORNICS, these bikes now cost the same as a car, 20k, and last time i checked a 20k car as like 10x more electronics than these bikes. KTM got fucking greedy, period.
"The Church of Braaap!" I'm quite religious when it comes to the SDR, as well ;P At 11:50, what a VIEW!
22:55, I swear officer, I was literally standing still, what speeding fine?
22.18 the vid I want to see concerning Euro 5 is it’s effect on the 2 nd hand market in the UK. Due to green concerns will all pre Euro 5 bikes be banned from the roads. If so what sort of time scale are we talking about , 2 years or 10 ?
Nothing will be 'banned', may be wont be able to buy dinosaur juice engined vehicles in 15 or so years.
Paul F the current proposal is ALL motorcycles will be emission tested at the MOT for the first time and ALL motorcycle will be tested to EURO 5 standards . No engine from pre EURO 3 will pass. Your bike from that point will be worthless.
I read the squat issue was too much travel, so that the geometry changed too much during "dynamic" manouvres, upsetting handling balance. That's why the new one has the "standard" 120 mm now.
Also, the old SDR had the shock too close to vertical, so it was not as progressive as it could have been as a direct mount setup. Rotating it more towards horizontal makes it stiffen up a lot as it compresses, giving better support in corners and under acceleration.
Of course, this is all for the road - nice and compliant (soft) in a straight line, with extra support coming in when you're "on it". For track / race, you don't want a progressive linkage as it becomes inconsistent between extremes, and the overall stiffer suspension required for a straight rate linkage (and fast lap times) is not an issue on smooth surfaces at full attack.
KTM finally getting it worked out. I'll stick with my Aprilia, with the correct number of cylinders, and a free up/down quick shifter.
I had the mk1 1290 and thought it sucked ass after getting used to torque tank slipper out of every corner and that’s road use
Would you say it’s a big step up compared to the mk1
I rode both, new one is massively better. Totally different bike, better in every way and even more fun.
5:40 ”I’ve got a really itchy” what…?
Al, who designs your leathers, Ru Paul?
I remember a few years back when you did the launch of the MT10SP and i loved how much fun you said it was, a year on in 2018 i got my own MT10SP and love every second of it, not cause its the fastest, not because it has the best lap times but because its just fun, i find myself laughing and giggling like a school girl all the time and i can see haw this new Super
Duke R is the same thing. If i'm concidering upgrading my bike this will now be on the list for sure. Great review guys ;)
Stick with the MT10, at least you know it will start in the morning!
I have superduke 990,and in corners I am fighting with front end way too much, my hands hurt when i do some nice cornering
Is it too much bike for the road though? Would something like a Street triple RS be more fun because it's lighter and you can use it to a larger extent than you can with this bike?
No
KTM Hype machine at work here - lavishing out on press releases in sunny climes. Read the forums and online reviews to get a true feel for KTM as both a product and a company. 44 Teeth is a great production effort, but you shouldn't use it as brand endorsement, because the reality of ownership for many ain't so glitzy. Factor in some balance by broadcasting issues people have with product and company - maybe then KTM might take some notice, rather than ignore/deny/refuse.
Maybe you should make a video about this bike and show everyone how it’s done!! 🙄
Whats the difference between euro 4 and 5??? I have no clue what's that.
Did I miss the track day announcement? I am a subscriber!
I’m guessing coronavirus has put a stop to everything 🤬
With a full exhaust system and flash its near if not 190 rwhp. The perfect second bike if you can afford it. Ksenia where are you? 🇨🇦🇨🇦
Looking back at this video a bit down the line, I bought a 2020 1290 SDGT, not even the R, coming from an S1000XR i was like "it can't be THAT powerful" Then the wheel came up in 4th at a 110...
When are you getting to review the new ktm 890 duke r?
👍 thanks top review
Add on cost
Yet the 790 everything is enabled as standard . All depends on the competition price range .
Lomate * it’s KTM! Keep Taking Money for a reason
If I was buying new . I be pointing to the 790 in same showroom to the super duke asking for the same fair treatment/ price or walk away .
mark smith 890 Duke looks like a good buy
Are you guys planning on another Budget Bike Battle once Covid gets behind us? Love those series so much!
Would the anti-wheelie hold the front up or does it just cut and make it drop?
I got the 2020 one and it dont wheelie like they can, may be to do with my suspension setup as im a light weight and have little preload on but not sure why my one wont go up, only 1st gear will do it and 2nd gear is where its at for others, let me know if anyone has any ideas, the bike is in track mode with anti wheelie off by the way, thanks for a great vlog letting us see what this bike can do guys
I dont think anyone can deny it looks great and will be fun to ride. But where I see ktm let themselves down are in smaller details. Like did they ever fix the bearing issue in rear wheel that plagued so many. After spending 16k you can understand why people were pissed off.
how many killometers can that bike get out of 1 tank of highway riding?
I had a rc8r. Ive never rode the super duke. Am i missing out?
But is it worth the money over a leftover/used Gen 2? Looking at a two-up bike for the lady and I and also a track bike for myself and really been eyeing the SDR, but it's even more expensive than my RSV4...
Another great review from you guys and thanks for the answers on the electronic questions on the minds of most possible purchasers in the simplicity of the new settings and no more having to reset the modes or buy a dongle 😍thanks fellas
You boys look like you had a disgusting amount of fun there. Excuse me while I look out the window and behold a cold, windy, rainy day in Holland.
Not sure about the huge looking tank but the black one looks fantastic with the orange frame. Fancy it though
Huge tank is necessary to support the huge balls of the lucky riders! :)
I am wondering if KTM is charging extra for the wheels as well on that bike
Why do you drive so fast on the open road?
I love superduke. But didn't you guys think this bike a bit too small?
I have the 2017 gen 2 with full akra, lots of carbon after having had the 2015 model but this new one i just don't like the looks, that plastic round the tank, no trellis, the seat so won't be changing this time maybe gen 4 will do it for me.
Id love to see a 1290r superduke cup in the bsb series, would be great to watch
How does it compere to a 1972 BSA A65?...
Is the Monster also a bespoke naked bike, or is it based on a Ducati super bike model?
Does anyone k ow how reliable the 2.0's are? I've never owned a KTM and head mixed comments on reliability. I read some comments that brag about being over 40,000 miles and then some saying they sold because it was in the shop too often. I've been spoiled with the crossplane MT10,..2.5 years , bought new at launch and NOT ONE ISSUE! No recals, no failures, just the insane reliability you can expect from Yamaha .
Another interesting note at least in utah,..I insured my brand new MT10 , full coverage for $22 a month!!!!!??????? My r1M if spend regular time periods each month making my insureancr payment crying at the amount of $ to insure a superbike,..when I was shopping for my supernaked, the 2.0 SDR had jsut come out and the insurance, same company was not far off of my r1m???? Obviously it's 6-9k more expensive but that's not it because the ratio doesn't make sense, it's 5 times more expensive than the MT10. Allstate considers the MT10 as a standard "commuter" motorcycle. Like an FZ07 lol,apparently they haven't rode one.
Some day I'll own a 2 or 3.0 , when they dip into the $13k used pricepoint in a few years I'll make my move. Although now it will have to be a 3.0 since they have the 6 axis imu , 3 times the regitity , more hp and torque and lower, cruise , much more adjustable suspension which I spend time at the track so now I'm out another extra couple years to get a 3.0 damnit! If yamaha would stop punishing America and release the MT10 -SP here my problems would be solved , especially now with the flash and harness available that activates the R1M's IMU that's already on the bike but not usable for 90% of at function.