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Hey Baron! Shotguns have a nerf against roman shields. The pellets are small and slow enough that their shields deflect the shots, and they can even be damaged by their own ricochets.
What I'm not seeing is the scattering Roman army when they see the man's head next to them explode from 100 meters away. The morale of the attacking Roman army would be crushed at the prospect of charging into "god" like weapons.
I firmly believe that if ancient Romans, Greeks or any sort of human back then saw something like this, they would go full rampage mode and charge into the fire until it's done. They would not allow such power to exist or they would REALLY want those guns for themselves.
@@cosminstefan3106 I can already imagine them calling this weapons "rod of destruction" or something lmao. Their reaction to RPGs, tanks, helicopters and other powerful military weapons would be gold, they'll lose all hope once they find out how powerful nuclear and atomic bombs are.
One VERY important detail was mentioned in the first simulation like it's an afterthought. The rounds are .45 ACP. These are PISTOL rounds, not rifle rounds and the difference is massive. Rifle rounds travel 2000+ ft/sec while pistol rounds travel 700 ft/sec or so. The end result is that people shot with pistol rounds don't have the same shockwave rupture of internal organs that rifle rounds cause. Pistol round stopping power is very location dependent. They get shot and a determined person (even mortally wounded) can keep on coming. A rifle round is one hit and it immediately stops them. These roman soldiers also have shields between them and the bullets. Chances are, this WW2 army gets swarmed and cut to pieces MUCH easier than the simulation shows.
I think the Thomsons were firing a burst of several shots, probably like 8, then waiting for a moment, presumably so it felt more in line with the fire rate of other ranged units in the game. Shotguns apparently just bounced of the roman shields, which i find kinda funny, given that those shields are made of wood, not hardened steel.
@@lateshpatil5307 .45 most definitely can go through a metal shield. If the metal was a soft copper or iron, then it would go through pretty damn easily. if it was made out of a hard steel then a shield would have to be very thin, unless it was a buckler or something smaller, or it would be too heavy to wield. And if the hard steel shield is very thin, .45 would be reasonably likely to penetrate. You could make a metal shield that would stop a .45 from penetrating, but not just any metal shield would do the trick.
@@Santisima_Trinidad Truth. There's a reason weapons evolve over time. The moment firearms become commonplace, shields and armor disappear. Constant battle between protection that stop weapons, and weapons that get through protection... stop, rinse, repeat. Didn't watch the whole thing, but in the beginning... I still give it to the Romans just on pure numbers. The soldiers weapons will blast through the shields and armor... but 'One Million'? The didn't bring that much ammo with them. Once they get in close, the Romans are going to shine just in a battle of attrition.
@@phantom1592 i mean, your wrong on the armour "disappearing" when firearms became commonplace (from the half plate worn by the members of pike and shot formations in the renessiance to the thick breastplates of heavy cavalry in the napoleonic wars, armour was used alongside mass firearms for many decades), but shields you are quite right, and metal armour certainly evolved and became less prevalent until it was just phased out entirely. As i explained, metal shields are bad when made thick enough to stop even low penetration bullets, whilst metal armour is nowhere near as cumbersome thanks to weight distribution. Roman stuff probably wouldn't stop anything. Maybe .22LR certainly not .45. And yes your right about the romans winning just through numbers. Both through having more bodies than they have bullets and also through being able to enact a massive encirclement and approaching in higher volume than can be cut down by the soldiers.
@@phantom1592 It’d actually be easy to beat a million Romans with a few ww2 weapons. Give me five b17’s and I’ll bomb their provisions. Now watch the million man army starve or disperse. Victory achieved. Hell the psychological aspect of it alone might be enough to route them. Or shoot, just ram the Sherman’s through their lines and wreck their provisions. What are they going to do to a tank in reality? Worst case scenario so many bodies get caught in the treads it stops us lol. I really don’t know what y’all think swords and pilum are going to do to a Sherman. Hitting a target moving 20mph with a catapult will be a feat in its own. Honestly I don’t know what you all think the Roman’s could do besides run away or be crushed by a world war 2 tank. There’s a lot of reasons to think the shock of a tank just crushing them and being impervious to any damage and breaking their lines would cause a mass panic and route on its own possibly. I mean imagine being in formation and 10 things just pile drive into your lines and start blasting. Are you gonna stick around or even think about well their ammunition is limited. Hell no, you’re gonna run for your life, and when people see you running, they’re going to run.
The tanks probably wouldn't even have to fire a shot...just roll those treads over the Romans. That many soldiers in mass would have a hard time getting out of the way. Once you thin the ranks sufficiently, then open with the machine guns wile in pursuit of the remaining troops and have the buys with the Thompsons or shotguns clean up.
@@kristopherrainbolt2617 since you want to be realistic . The mental shock of a Roman seeing a weapon that can kill hundreds would make them all retreat . They would think it’s magic or the gods and would run .
@wargames yes but Juno is the goddess of marriage and Jupiter's wife, so I mentioned the roman goddess of war, Bellona. You do know that you don't always have to right, correct?
The developers need to learn what Thompson sub machine guns firing fully auto looks like... It's not what the default option was by any means. The game should also allow better formation handling such as flank angles etc... it's got a ways to go.
Forget the Thompson, I dare the devs to go hit a Sherman Tank with a sword till it blows up..... I want to know how long that takes, I'm wagering our sun will run out of hydrogen to fuse before that happens.
1. Fully Auto Thompson can be easily unlocked with character customization 2. The game just came out, so there will be many problems and missing features
Something I didn’t notice in the first simulation was the WW2 army didn’t back up to create distance. Their weapons are only superior at distance, as the Roman’s have a significant advantage at close range. Being the tactical fellows they are, I’m sure they would have accounted for this and would always try to keep a good distance between themselves
@@gandalfstormcrow8439 yea but I’m talking about this specific scenario, where the ww2 soldiers are so outnumbered it doesn’t matter how fast their guns shoot, they will eventually be overwhelmed with superior close combat skills if the opposing side gets close enough.
@@puffdaddy4537 eep. Good point.😖 They say knife wins within ten(?) feet because you can close the distance before someone can draw.😜 Hope we never find out.😳😬
They don't need to be taught to fire in fully automatic, the Thompson submachine gun doesn't have a semi automatic setting. They do however need to learn to increase the rate of fire as the enemy approaches from the sustained rate, to the rapid rate, to the cyclic rate
1921 and 1928 Thompsons had select fire. . . . MOST WW2 M1A1 Thompsons had select fire switches also. The was a small test run of full auto only M1A1s, but they were not distributed by the war's end. . .The problem carrying all the weight of 45 cal ammo. . .One man can only hump 1000 rounds on foot., and if you fired it all in mag dumps you would wreck the gun. I shoot a 1911 gov 45 and I can only carry 300 rounds when I shoot with friends, (6 boxes of 50. including 30 carbine and 5.56- not counting a box of 500 22LR). Even that is too heavy. Usually it's only 1 box of 50. . . You carry more water and food. . .or you don't walk too far from the car. . . .
Let's be honest: if the Roman Empire had deployed Battle Ducks instead of regular soldiers, even fully automatic Sherman tanks wouldn't have stood a chance.
Full auto Sherman’s versus various mass infantry formations. The image of a hundred shells impacting into the Roman ranks were really cool. More of that
On the Troy map have a massive army of zombies, something like 800 thousand, and 3000 ww2 soldiers need to escape to the city (using RTS mode) to enter a fortress city filled with defenders to try and hold off the zombie hoard.
All those Roman soldiers in the first round would be dead guaranteed as a Roman scutum which is what their shields were called is just layered wood bent to give it that outward flex shape with a piece of leather covering over the outward facing side and a design drawn on it with wood accents for design and standardly was a half an inch to an inch in thickness depending on the craftsmanship of the armorer and used no metal as metal was saved for swords,spears,arrows and armor plating for Roman armor as it was hard to outfit the massive number of roman soldiers that comprised the Roman army and all metal shields or even coated metal shields would have made resource issues harder.
A roman legion would consist of slingers and bowmen. That can safegaurd the soldiers. Ideally such battle would involve trenches. So could take 2-3 months.
@@karbardy the average modern soldier usually carries about 200-400 rounds worth of ammo sometimes more depending on what conflict situation their headed into with 2 through 3 soldiers carrying extra ammo for the squad aside from their own rounds and none of this accounts for 40 mic mic or explosives that are usually carried on top of this plus their 60 to 90 pound pack they averagely haul on top of this and thats if we’re talking specifically modern soldiers as you brought up. Further more training comes into play as well, a well trained soldier won’t waste ammo just spraying they’ll make their rounds count and try to hit multiple enemy combatants with over penetration,etc. Old school roman armor could hold up well against arrows but bullets I’d say not so much.
@@BronzeAgeMan1350 I’d say it would be 65/35 in favor of the WW soldiers with those particular parameters at play as target priority would be burned into their instincts due to training and more modern tactics and weapon usage especially since the world wars had a ridiculous amount of trench warfare mixed throughout them.
"Guys thats not how you soldier" "Why is your artificial intelligence more artificial than intelligent" 9:32 Lmfao that's the most funniest part of the video in my opinion.
@@CouldaWouldaShoulda its a comment section, doesnt matter wether you ask or not. No point in arguing with you, you are just gonna keep saying that until I stop replying.
I remember learning about Baron von Steuben, and his advanced military tactic to teach infantry to stand stalwart in an open field against a rival enemy force. It was pivotal to our victory in normandy.
It depends a bit on how well troops can backtract, doing a coordinated retreat is hard and doing it fast is extremely hard. Kiting can be a effective tactic but real life armies are less coordinated than professional RTS ones.
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The scariest part of the auto Shermans was the fact that about 80% of the shells they were firing weren't hitting anything. Imagine what they could with if they were also super accurate!
Baron was semi correct concerning the Geneva Convention regarding full auto Sherman tanks. There was a prototype design during WW2 that was built to fire 105mm solid big bore full auto but it never got passed the prototype phase. Something about it causing to much heat making the barrel warp and even melt. Thank God it never got passed that phase, can you imagine what it would have done to most German & Japanese units if you saw nothing but a wall of 105mm lead coming at you? The carnage would have been devastating bordering on a war crime.😲
@@sunayocarissime5309 It has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention. There are thousands of large calibre autocannons in service in every major military in the world. The term auto and non auto simply refers to whether or not you can fire multiple rounds with one engagement of the trigger mechanism. In fact pretty much all Tanks including the Sherman even in WW2 had full auto capability with their smaller weapon systems like 0.30 cal .50 cal and even 20mm and above. The main reason there is nothing like this "full auto sherman" from the video is it would firstly overheat melt and secondly fire its entire ammo storage in seconds and thirdly the weight of for instance a 155mm projectile is about 100 pound and firing at any sort decent speed around 300 rpm or so would use 30 000 lbs of ammo in a minute. Even on large naval ships where they do have fully auto 120mm cannons such as the Bofors 120 L46 it only stores 50 or so rounds at once. If you want to see weapons comparable to the "Fullauto sherman"in this video look at the Phalanx Weapon system which fires 20mm rounds at 4500 rpm and fires its entire storage capacity in seconds or the 30mm GAU 8 Autocannon on the A10 Warthog which fires its entire inventory of about 1200 rounds in less than 20 seconds at 3900 rpm.
@@Brett733 In short, it wouldn't be practical to have armored units quickly becoming useless, waiting to be rearmed or have a barrel changed. But yeah, some of the amazing weapons you mentioned like the Phalanx are impressive but also have their limitations.
@@sniperstudios3635 yes. This is UEBS2, the sequels to UEBS. It boasts features such as Better blood Better graphics Better water effects Vastly improved AI And most importantly of all Better performance.
They need the Sherman Calliope.😈 So couple questions, they don't have US WW2 soldier with M1's that would give them a range, accuracy, and penetration advantages. I don't know the games mechanics but if there's an armor calculation for damage it might need some twerking. They'd have to starve out the tank crew to win, and heaven help the Romans if they make the tanks Mobile, crushing centurions under the tracks by the hundreds.
When the Aztec first saw Spanish Conquistadors, they reported back to the king that they had "sticks that spewed out thunder and lightning (muskets) and was sitting on deer tall as a house (horses)"
So far I've not been really impressed other than the fact that the archers can take on things better than world war II troops. And that guy's armed with swords can kill Sherman's.
Unfortunately the starting fight with the WW2 army vs the Roman Shield wall, it would not go like that realistically. Im fairly certain the metal used for the roman shields wouldn't be able to block any modern caliber. But i will say their shields were also like not even half a foot thick, which is how usual shields are built, if not 8-9 inches.
All those Roman soldiers in the first round would be dead guaranteed as a Roman scutum which is what their shields were called is just layered wood bent to give it that outward flex shape with a piece of leather covering over the outward facing side and a design drawn on it with wood accents for design and standardly was a half an inch to an inch in thickness depending on the craftsmanship of the armorer and used no metal as metal was saved for swords,spears,arrows and armor plating for Roman armor as it was hard to outfit the massive number of roman soldiers that comprised the Roman army and all metal shields or even coated metal shields would have made resource issues harder.
This game is a feat of engineering. I wish I knew how they did this. I mean, just imagine other RTS games with similar massive scale. It would be glorious.
im actually very impressed how well this game can handle 1 MILLION entities like that is a LOT of stuff and it just handles it like its no problem thats how you know the creators know what they are doing ;D
This might be half-way decent if you used actual military formations and tactics. One hundred soldiers aren't going to line up in a box formation like the Romans did a thousand years ago. The tanks should be moving.
If anyone bothered to read up on history when making this game, would see the analogy is a lot of japanese soldiers charging at americans with this same weapon and getting mowed down before they even got to within 50 feet of the American line.
A better reference would be WWI or the Battle of Omdurman. Or maybe do some math (not good at it myself) WWI water cooled ( water cooling keeps the barrels from overheating during sustained fire) machine guns .30, .303. 8mm Browning 1917s, Vickers or Maxins. 750 rounds per minute, start shooting at 1,000 yards, or 900 meters, range. How long does it take the Romans to cross that distance? Then factor in how many guns you need. You can adjust for reloading time, misses and a single bullet penatrating more than one person. A single bullet would penatrate the shield and armor, if it hit the chest area for sure, legs it would go through and on to the one behind. Don't try this at home LOL.
10 Shermans firing High Explosive rounds into densely packed enemy ranks would do far more damage than what we are seeing here. At that distance, the Roman army would have been entirely decimated by tank fire before they hit the 200 yd mark. Once they were within 100 yds of the WW2 soldiers, the accuracy of withering bullet fire complementing the HE rounds (I am assuming infinite ammo and reload, with no jams or overheating) would have created a literal wall of fire through which no Roman soldier would pass. I am sorry, good animation but very poor accuracy.
@@thefench1 I am just saying: be consistent to as great an extent as possible. If certain leaps of faith are made, fine. Just try to stick to what we know as much as possible. AoE of HE tank rounds would easily be a 20-30 m radius around points of impact. With that rate of fire, densely packed troops and accuracy not being an issue it would be like running those Romans through a cheese grater. Look for "Grape Shot Decembrist Revolution" in Russia on UA-cam (highly realistic rendering of grape shot by the way) to see what concentrated shrapnel does to densely packed and poorly armoured troops. It´s absolutely horrific. And that´s from almost 200 years ago.
@@seletarroots3258 also tanks usually have a range measured in kilometer rather than what ever they showed here, which means the romans would be having quite a hard time getting this close in the first place^^ and also, hitting a tank with a sword wont destroy it, no matter how often you hit it xD (and tanks can run people over :x)
Doesn't matter what round the tank fires, because it wouldn't need to fire a shot. One tank could just roll over an infinite number of Roman soldiers with zero risk. I guess this video is about the game and not IRL, but it's still annoying.
@@seletarroots3258 also Roman’s aren’t cutting through all that steel with just some swords. And Roman artillery weapons still wouldn’t do damage to a tank. If you wanted you could run almost the whole roman army over after blowing half of them up
Missing weapons on side of the romans in this scenario: Pilae, plumbatae, funditores (slingers), sagittarii (bowmen), onagri, scorpiones, ballistae (big bolt and stone throwing missile weapons)....Also they would use the tortoise against the artillery. Though ineffective against direct hits of a submashine gun, it would give at least a little protection against shrapnell and ricochet. They even had pretty functional flamethrowers.
slingers would just obliterate that army, particulary, if greatly outnumbered them. also first pilum throw would be devastating, particulary if outnumbered that way. Would probably kill 90% of them in first throw.
If the game creators are going for any kind of realism, they have a ways to go. First, the bodies of the Romans that got killed would greatly impede the forward movement of the ones trying to advance. They would be falling all over the place. A tank is pretty much impenetrable using swords and spears, plus tanks tend to have machine gunners inside as well. They could easily drive around and crush groups of Romans that were unable to get out of the way due to being blocked by the dense grouping of their fellow soldiers. I could go on for a while about other factors that seem to be completely absent here, but I think I made my point. The game IS in development, so there's that. It would be pretty interesting if someone was able to make a battle sim like this that is so realistic and accurate, that armies around the world started using it to plan battles. 😁
5:25 there is an anime called "Gate: the jsdf goes through" that is about modern japanese forces fighting againts roman/meadival/fantasy armies. Edit: you can maybe try replicating the first major fight between the romans and the modern soldiers :3
Remember the Sherman carries, depending on the armament, a max of 105 shells with the usual load for a 76 Sherman being around 71 or so shells. So, they are going to run out and hitting it with swords and spears will not hurt them at all.
I was also thinking the barrel probably only lasts a few hundred shots or a thousand at most. Also the soldiers would only be carrying as much ammo as they could carry..
To the shells, you need to add around 6000 rounds for the machine gun. If you have a very early M4 there are 4 machineguns that fire from the inside, in later models there are two. At least the 75mm variant had canister shoots, that would be what you use, not high explosive shells. The final and perhaps most efficient weapon is the track, humans do not handle a tank running over them very well. When the tank runs out of ammunition and get stuck or round out of fuel it could be destroyed by the Romans. With some planning and understanding of their enemy, the way to defeat tanks is to dig anti-tank ditches, even better if they are camouflaged. Then use Molotov cocktails on them, after sneaking up on them at night. Romans did use incendiary devices and it would be possible to make some form of Molotov cocktail.
*GOOD LORD* I haven't laughed this hard in a while! Let me check out more videos, maybe I'll try to keep my other lung from exploding. Oh, you should have given them a trebuchet! Much better range!! 🤣🤣🤣
It's insanely inaccurate. Swords and spears would chip the paint off the tank and maybe leave some scratches. It would be more effective for Roman soldiers to pile corpses on the tank and hope the occupants suffocate or overheat. Roman shields were also mostly made of wood. They would do almost nothing to stop .45 caliber rounds. Each wave of shots would take down the front line of the Roman army. Finally, it doesn't take into account things like logistics, equipment failure, morale, combat strategies, or fatigue. It's a fun toy for hypotheticals but useless for actual war applications.
Virtually the only historical victory of large masses of spearmen over a tank formation was in Ethiopia during their invasion by Italy with a small formation of very lightly armored pre-WW2 Italian tanks vastly outnumbered by Ethiopian tribesmen. In virtually every other known such encounter it ends up like the Polish cavalry charge against panzers.
if you are in front of a 120mm wake up reveille blank cannon. . . you will be dazed, 500 guys would stop and drop, the line of friendly troops in front of the tanks would suffer nerve damage from the concussions.
Looks @ guys with plywood shields charging a bunch of dudes with 45 acp So, the 45 ACP is a pretty powerful round and these guys would open up at 300-400 yards. At that range, you can look at video from Iraqveteran8888. It's just cutting through the wood shields. Secondly 45 is a very penetrating round so like the shotgun slugs or 000 or 00 buck, it's going through the shields, breaking bones & ribs & putting all sorts of holes in people. Third the 45 is probably punching through the thin metal armor. The best bet is for the Romans to just ditch any weight and run forward as fast as possible because the Thompsons are going to overheat & maybe you can close distance before they roll the lines. However, you'd tripping and falling over the dead people in front of you for a while. Soldiers would also shoot low if they felt the center of mass firing way ineffective. 45 rounds would be breaking legs and occasionally take out two soldiers at a time from over penetration.
You made a mythological reference. I’d like to correct the reference for those interested: you said you think Juno is the Roman god of war. She isn’t - Mars is the Roman God of war. Juno is the long suffering wife of serial adulterer, Jupiter, in Greek mythology. The Roman equivalent is Hera who is married to Zeus.
Should have done a round where the Romans started about 5 yards away and already encircling the other units. See how they fare not having to close the distance.
Honestly if it had more realism, you could probably just lock the hatch of the tank and then be completely impervious to the entire roman army as a human with a sword isn't going to be able to hack through tank armor. Considering the materials as well, their swords would probably be softer as well and may not even leave scratches in anything beyond the paint.
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Hey Baron! Shotguns have a nerf against roman shields. The pellets are small and slow enough that their shields deflect the shots, and they can even be damaged by their own ricochets.
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@@GeorgeRamsey22 what game?
@@fluto6997 probably the one in the video
Just crack it then?
@@GeorgeRamsey22 you want to get the game but don't have enough money right?
What I'm not seeing is the scattering Roman army when they see the man's head next to them explode from 100 meters away. The morale of the attacking Roman army would be crushed at the prospect of charging into "god" like weapons.
I firmly believe that if ancient Romans, Greeks or any sort of human back then saw something like this, they would go full rampage mode and charge into the fire until it's done. They would not allow such power to exist or they would REALLY want those guns for themselves.
@@cosminstefan3106 I can already imagine them calling this weapons "rod of destruction" or something lmao. Their reaction to RPGs, tanks, helicopters and other powerful military weapons would be gold, they'll lose all hope once they find out how powerful nuclear and atomic bombs are.
One VERY important detail was mentioned in the first simulation like it's an afterthought. The rounds are .45 ACP. These are PISTOL rounds, not rifle rounds and the difference is massive. Rifle rounds travel 2000+ ft/sec while pistol rounds travel 700 ft/sec or so.
The end result is that people shot with pistol rounds don't have the same shockwave rupture of internal organs that rifle rounds cause. Pistol round stopping power is very location dependent. They get shot and a determined person (even mortally wounded) can keep on coming. A rifle round is one hit and it immediately stops them.
These roman soldiers also have shields between them and the bullets. Chances are, this WW2 army gets swarmed and cut to pieces MUCH easier than the simulation shows.
@@cosminstefan3106 i doubt it
@@cosminstefan3106 about what the average roman empire stan looks like
I think the Thomsons were firing a burst of several shots, probably like 8, then waiting for a moment, presumably so it felt more in line with the fire rate of other ranged units in the game.
Shotguns apparently just bounced of the roman shields, which i find kinda funny, given that those shields are made of wood, not hardened steel.
I doubt a .45 can penetrate any metal shield
@@lateshpatil5307 .45 most definitely can go through a metal shield. If the metal was a soft copper or iron, then it would go through pretty damn easily. if it was made out of a hard steel then a shield would have to be very thin, unless it was a buckler or something smaller, or it would be too heavy to wield. And if the hard steel shield is very thin, .45 would be reasonably likely to penetrate. You could make a metal shield that would stop a .45 from penetrating, but not just any metal shield would do the trick.
@@Santisima_Trinidad Truth. There's a reason weapons evolve over time. The moment firearms become commonplace, shields and armor disappear. Constant battle between protection that stop weapons, and weapons that get through protection... stop, rinse, repeat.
Didn't watch the whole thing, but in the beginning... I still give it to the Romans just on pure numbers. The soldiers weapons will blast through the shields and armor... but 'One Million'? The didn't bring that much ammo with them. Once they get in close, the Romans are going to shine just in a battle of attrition.
@@phantom1592 i mean, your wrong on the armour "disappearing" when firearms became commonplace (from the half plate worn by the members of pike and shot formations in the renessiance to the thick breastplates of heavy cavalry in the napoleonic wars, armour was used alongside mass firearms for many decades), but shields you are quite right, and metal armour certainly evolved and became less prevalent until it was just phased out entirely. As i explained, metal shields are bad when made thick enough to stop even low penetration bullets, whilst metal armour is nowhere near as cumbersome thanks to weight distribution. Roman stuff probably wouldn't stop anything. Maybe .22LR certainly not .45.
And yes your right about the romans winning just through numbers. Both through having more bodies than they have bullets and also through being able to enact a massive encirclement and approaching in higher volume than can be cut down by the soldiers.
@@phantom1592 It’d actually be easy to beat a million Romans with a few ww2 weapons. Give me five b17’s and I’ll bomb their provisions. Now watch the million man army starve or disperse. Victory achieved. Hell the psychological aspect of it alone might be enough to route them. Or shoot, just ram the Sherman’s through their lines and wreck their provisions. What are they going to do to a tank in reality? Worst case scenario so many bodies get caught in the treads it stops us lol. I really don’t know what y’all think swords and pilum are going to do to a Sherman. Hitting a target moving 20mph with a catapult will be a feat in its own. Honestly I don’t know what you all think the Roman’s could do besides run away or be crushed by a world war 2 tank. There’s a lot of reasons to think the shock of a tank just crushing them and being impervious to any damage and breaking their lines would cause a mass panic and route on its own possibly. I mean imagine being in formation and 10 things just pile drive into your lines and start blasting. Are you gonna stick around or even think about well their ammunition is limited. Hell no, you’re gonna run for your life, and when people see you running, they’re going to run.
The tanks probably wouldn't even have to fire a shot...just roll those treads over the Romans. That many soldiers in mass would have a hard time getting out of the way. Once you thin the ranks sufficiently, then open with the machine guns wile in pursuit of the remaining troops and have the buys with the Thompsons or shotguns clean up.
Right? These vids are so annoying and unrealistic.
@@kristopherrainbolt2617 bro its a game calm down
@@kristopherrainbolt2617 since you want to be realistic . The mental shock of a Roman seeing a weapon that can kill hundreds would make them all retreat . They would think it’s magic or the gods and would run .
@@kristopherrainbolt2617 Since you want realism, the bodies would slow the tank down enough for the romans to climb in and murder everyone.
the tanks would run out of fuel before they could run over the entire enemy force
Baron: Whos the Roman god of war... Juno?
Mars: Am I a joke to you?
Bellona, the Roman goddess of war: am I even more of a joke to you?
@wargames yes but Juno is the goddess of marriage and Jupiter's wife, so I mentioned the roman goddess of war, Bellona. You do know that you don't always have to right, correct?
Like wtf it’s Aries ♈️ I’m Aries ♈️
@@scrooftheoneandonly8519 Aries is the Greek name. Mars is the Roman.
The roman god of war is Mars
The developers need to learn what Thompson sub machine guns firing fully auto looks like... It's not what the default option was by any means. The game should also allow better formation handling such as flank angles etc... it's got a ways to go.
And use some elevation. Doesn't have to be crazy but just something to strategize with
Forget the Thompson, I dare the devs to go hit a Sherman Tank with a sword till it blows up..... I want to know how long that takes, I'm wagering our sun will run out of hydrogen to fuse before that happens.
1. Fully Auto Thompson can be easily unlocked with character customization
2. The game just came out, so there will be many problems and missing features
Try maxing a tanks AOE radius, damage, and range, and lower the firerate. Nuclear tank.
What game is this?
@@jordannorred3444 ultimate epic battle simulator 2
Something I didn’t notice in the first simulation was the WW2 army didn’t back up to create distance. Their weapons are only superior at distance, as the Roman’s have a significant advantage at close range. Being the tactical fellows they are, I’m sure they would have accounted for this and would always try to keep a good distance between themselves
Let's stand toe to toe.
Your gladius vs. my Thompson.
😂😂😂
Btw my burst will put plenty of distance between us😜😉
@@gandalfstormcrow8439 yea but I’m talking about this specific scenario, where the ww2 soldiers are so outnumbered it doesn’t matter how fast their guns shoot, they will eventually be overwhelmed with superior close combat skills if the opposing side gets close enough.
@@puffdaddy4537 eep. Good point.😖 They say knife wins within ten(?) feet because you can close the distance before someone can draw.😜
Hope we never find out.😳😬
My kid did John Wick vs 1 million ducks last night.... checked this morning, and it didn't go well for the ducks.
They don't need to be taught to fire in fully automatic, the Thompson submachine gun doesn't have a semi automatic setting. They do however need to learn to increase the rate of fire as the enemy approaches from the sustained rate, to the rapid rate, to the cyclic rate
1921 and 1928 Thompsons had select fire. . . . MOST WW2 M1A1 Thompsons had select fire switches also. The was a small test run of full auto only M1A1s, but they were not distributed by the war's end. . .The problem carrying all the weight of 45 cal ammo. . .One man can only hump 1000 rounds on foot., and if you fired it all in mag dumps you would wreck the gun. I shoot a 1911 gov 45 and I can only carry 300 rounds when I shoot with friends, (6 boxes of 50. including 30 carbine and 5.56- not counting a box of 500 22LR). Even that is too heavy. Usually it's only 1 box of 50. . . You carry more water and food. . .or you don't walk too far from the car. . . .
I’ve never seen a M1A1 that wasn’t selective fire.
Let's be honest: if the Roman Empire had deployed Battle Ducks instead of regular soldiers, even fully automatic Sherman tanks wouldn't have stood a chance.
YES
Battle Ducks don't play.
Full auto Sherman’s versus various mass infantry formations. The image of a hundred shells impacting into the Roman ranks were really cool. More of that
Imagine how large that 100k Roman army looks.
Now imagine that at the battle of Philippi about 100k Romans lined up on EACH SIDE of the battlefield
On the Troy map have a massive army of zombies, something like 800 thousand, and 3000 ww2 soldiers need to escape to the city (using RTS mode) to enter a fortress city filled with defenders to try and hold off the zombie hoard.
All those Roman soldiers in the first round would be dead guaranteed as a Roman scutum which is what their shields were called is just layered wood bent to give it that outward flex shape with a piece of leather covering over the outward facing side and a design drawn on it with wood accents for design and standardly was a half an inch to an inch in thickness depending on the craftsmanship of the armorer and used no metal as metal was saved for swords,spears,arrows and armor plating for Roman armor as it was hard to outfit the massive number of roman soldiers that comprised the Roman army and all metal shields or even coated metal shields would have made resource issues harder.
A roman legion would consist of slingers and bowmen. That can safegaurd the soldiers. Ideally such battle would involve trenches. So could take 2-3 months.
in other hand - usually modern soldier have only a few ammo magazines. Enough for seconds of bullet storm like this.
@@karbardy the average modern soldier usually carries about 200-400 rounds worth of ammo sometimes more depending on what conflict situation their headed into with 2 through 3 soldiers carrying extra ammo for the squad aside from their own rounds and none of this accounts for 40 mic mic or explosives that are usually carried on top of this plus their 60 to 90 pound pack they averagely haul on top of this and thats if we’re talking specifically modern soldiers as you brought up. Further more training comes into play as well, a well trained soldier won’t waste ammo just spraying they’ll make their rounds count and try to hit multiple enemy combatants with over penetration,etc. Old school roman armor could hold up well against arrows but bullets I’d say not so much.
@@BronzeAgeMan1350 I’d say it would be 65/35 in favor of the WW soldiers with those particular parameters at play as target priority would be burned into their instincts due to training and more modern tactics and weapon usage especially since the world wars had a ridiculous amount of trench warfare mixed throughout them.
"Guys thats not how you soldier"
"Why is your artificial intelligence more artificial than intelligent"
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Lmfao that's the most funniest part of the video in my opinion.
in my opinion i didnt ask
@@CouldaWouldaShoulda its a comment section, doesnt matter wether you ask or not. No point in arguing with you, you are just gonna keep saying that until I stop replying.
@@takkashi1998 i didnt ask though
@@CouldaWouldaShoulda no one asked you either
I remember learning about Baron von Steuben, and his advanced military tactic to teach infantry to stand stalwart in an open field against a rival enemy force. It was pivotal to our victory in normandy.
'Imagine seeing Roman soldiers flying and not voluntarily. ' i Imagine seeing them flying voluntarily would be just as disturbing 😳
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One thing you have forgotten is that the troops would fall back as the roman army approached using the range advantage of their weapons
It depends a bit on how well troops can backtract, doing a coordinated retreat is hard and doing it fast is extremely hard. Kiting can be a effective tactic but real life armies are less coordinated than professional RTS ones.
Make a Sherman with normal firing speed, but huge splash damage radius
The full auto Sherman tanks are more like a long range flamethrower then full auto tanks
2 important things to consider: World War 2 Soldiers had Grenades... and the ability to move on two feet.
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It's always a great day when baron uploads
The scariest part of the auto Shermans was the fact that about 80% of the shells they were firing weren't hitting anything. Imagine what they could with if they were also super accurate!
That's the thing them hitting the ground is what you want. I thought this would be a realistic sim.
Well they dont exist and if they did at that rate they would fire there entire cargo in one sec
Baron was semi correct concerning the Geneva Convention regarding full auto Sherman tanks. There was a prototype design during WW2 that was built to fire 105mm solid big bore full auto but it never got passed the prototype phase. Something about it causing to much heat making the barrel warp and even melt. Thank God it never got passed that phase, can you imagine what it would have done to most German & Japanese units if you saw nothing but a wall of 105mm lead coming at you? The carnage would have been devastating bordering on a war crime.😲
@@sunayocarissime5309 It has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention. There are thousands of large calibre autocannons in service in every major military in the world. The term auto and non auto simply refers to whether or not you can fire multiple rounds with one engagement of the trigger mechanism. In fact pretty much all Tanks including the Sherman even in WW2 had full auto capability with their smaller weapon systems like 0.30 cal .50 cal and even 20mm and above. The main reason there is nothing like this "full auto sherman" from the video is it would firstly overheat melt and secondly fire its entire ammo storage in seconds and thirdly the weight of for instance a 155mm projectile is about 100 pound and firing at any sort decent speed around 300 rpm or so would use 30 000 lbs of ammo in a minute. Even on large naval ships where they do have fully auto 120mm cannons such as the Bofors 120 L46 it only stores 50 or so rounds at once. If you want to see weapons comparable to the "Fullauto sherman"in this video look at the Phalanx Weapon system which fires 20mm rounds at 4500 rpm and fires its entire storage capacity in seconds or the 30mm GAU 8 Autocannon on the A10 Warthog which fires its entire inventory of about 1200 rounds in less than 20 seconds at 3900 rpm.
@@Brett733 In short, it wouldn't be practical to have armored units quickly becoming useless, waiting to be rearmed or have a barrel changed. But yeah, some of the amazing weapons you mentioned like the Phalanx are impressive but also have their limitations.
This games is awesome thanks for bringing it back
Wait this new?
@@sniperstudios3635 nope
@@sniperstudios3635 yes. This is UEBS2, the sequels to UEBS. It boasts features such as
Better blood
Better graphics
Better water effects
Vastly improved AI
And most importantly of all
Better performance.
Baron I think you should have 300000 Fully automated Sherman’s vs 2000000 fully automatic catapult
I would love to see this as a Real time strategy game in multi-player mode. A player on each side. It would be fun to see what people come up with.
Did not expect to watch baron and get spoilers for the movie gladiator😂 lol
American soldiers- we are way more advanced than them, they have swords and shields, and we have guns and tanks.
Romans- funny poke
02:26
"Makin movies, makin songs and fightin round the world"
- Russell Crowe lol
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@@ryancaperchione4190 Tugga Please
Quality content right here good job Baron 👏 👍
Great job
People killing other people
7:59 "That's beautiful"
They need the Sherman Calliope.😈
So couple questions, they don't have US WW2 soldier with M1's that would give them a range, accuracy, and penetration advantages.
I don't know the games mechanics but if there's an armor calculation for damage it might need some twerking. They'd have to starve out the tank crew to win, and heaven help the Romans if they make the tanks Mobile, crushing centurions under the tracks by the hundreds.
If a Roman soldier seen an automatic Sherman firing like that, I’d assume they would think they were gods spitting fire and lighting at the same time
When the Aztec first saw Spanish Conquistadors, they reported back to the king that they had "sticks that spewed out thunder and lightning (muskets) and was sitting on deer tall as a house (horses)"
Sherman with...
Health: 999
Damage: 66
Attack speed multi: 1,000,000
Attack Range: 1,000,000
Splash damage Radius: 66
I think this will be fun...
Also put it against 1000 normal shermans or maybe just 10,000,000 zombies
Hahahahah. Gold. I recently had surgery and have had a rough time. This is the first time I've laughed this hard for quite a while. Legend.
Suggestion, make a tank have super big blast radius and make it go against a TON of zombies
PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!
“Who was the Roman God of War? Was it Juno?” 🤦♂️😂
Juno was a Goddess. The Roman God of War was Mars.
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Baron in this game it’s not the Geneva convention it’s the Geneva suggestion
i think you should do "shermans with 10000 splash damage, to simulate high explosive rounds
Would be interesting to see a limited nuke in action
So far I've not been really impressed other than the fact that the archers can take on things better than world war II troops. And that guy's armed with swords can kill Sherman's.
Baron you are so fun to watch, I hope you have a great life and get rlly rich. Gl bro
Unfortunately the starting fight with the WW2 army vs the Roman Shield wall, it would not go like that realistically. Im fairly certain the metal used for the roman shields wouldn't be able to block any modern caliber. But i will say their shields were also like not even half a foot thick, which is how usual shields are built, if not 8-9 inches.
Half a foot thick?! You mean a tank?
True the WW2 army would be ended in 10 seconds.
All those Roman soldiers in the first round would be dead guaranteed as a Roman scutum which is what their shields were called is just layered wood bent to give it that outward flex shape with a piece of leather covering over the outward facing side and a design drawn on it with wood accents for design and standardly was a half an inch to an inch in thickness depending on the craftsmanship of the armorer and used no metal as metal was saved for swords,spears,arrows and armor plating for Roman armor as it was hard to outfit the massive number of roman soldiers that comprised the Roman army and all metal shields or even coated metal shields would have made resource issues harder.
@@youareacoward8459 no
That’s got to be a joke
Hey Baron. What about 1 MILLION BATTLE DUCKS against 1 FULLY AUTO SHERMAN
This game is a feat of engineering. I wish I knew how they did this. I mean, just imagine other RTS games with similar massive scale. It would be glorious.
im actually very impressed how well this game can handle 1 MILLION entities
like that is a LOT of stuff and it just handles it like its no problem
thats how you know the creators know what they are doing ;D
This might be half-way decent if you used actual military formations and tactics. One hundred soldiers aren't going to line up in a box formation like the Romans did a thousand years ago. The tanks should be moving.
That first shot from the Sherman was awesome! XD
If anyone bothered to read up on history when making this game, would see the analogy is a lot of japanese soldiers charging at americans with this same weapon and getting mowed down before they even got to within 50 feet of the American line.
A better reference would be WWI or the Battle of Omdurman.
Or maybe do some math (not good at it myself) WWI water cooled ( water cooling keeps the barrels from overheating during sustained fire) machine guns .30, .303. 8mm Browning 1917s, Vickers or Maxins. 750 rounds per minute, start shooting at 1,000 yards, or 900 meters, range. How long does it take the Romans to cross that distance? Then factor in how many guns you need. You can adjust for reloading time, misses and a single bullet penatrating more than one person. A single bullet would penatrate the shield and armor, if it hit the chest area for sure, legs it would go through and on to the one behind.
Don't try this at home LOL.
Pray for this dudes pc
10 Shermans firing High Explosive rounds into densely packed enemy ranks would do far more damage than what we are seeing here. At that distance, the Roman army would have been entirely decimated by tank fire before they hit the 200 yd mark. Once they were within 100 yds of the WW2 soldiers, the accuracy of withering bullet fire complementing the HE rounds (I am assuming infinite ammo and reload, with no jams or overheating) would have created a literal wall of fire through which no Roman soldier would pass. I am sorry, good animation but very poor accuracy.
yeah absolutely ... especially for they have sooo much ammunition supply, the realism
@@thefench1 I am just saying: be consistent to as great an extent as possible. If certain leaps of faith are made, fine. Just try to stick to what we know as much as possible. AoE of HE tank rounds would easily be a 20-30 m radius around points of impact. With that rate of fire, densely packed troops and accuracy not being an issue it would be like running those Romans through a cheese grater. Look for "Grape Shot Decembrist Revolution" in Russia on UA-cam (highly realistic rendering of grape shot by the way) to see what concentrated shrapnel does to densely packed and poorly armoured troops. It´s absolutely horrific. And that´s from almost 200 years ago.
@@seletarroots3258 also tanks usually have a range measured in kilometer rather than what ever they showed here, which means the romans would be having quite a hard time getting this close in the first place^^
and also, hitting a tank with a sword wont destroy it, no matter how often you hit it xD (and tanks can run people over :x)
Doesn't matter what round the tank fires, because it wouldn't need to fire a shot. One tank could just roll over an infinite number of Roman soldiers with zero risk. I guess this video is about the game and not IRL, but it's still annoying.
@@seletarroots3258 also Roman’s aren’t cutting through all that steel with just some swords. And Roman artillery weapons still wouldn’t do damage to a tank. If you wanted you could run almost the whole roman army over after blowing half of them up
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Missing weapons on side of the romans in this scenario: Pilae, plumbatae, funditores (slingers), sagittarii (bowmen), onagri, scorpiones, ballistae (big bolt and stone throwing missile weapons)....Also they would use the tortoise against the artillery. Though ineffective against direct hits of a submashine gun, it would give at least a little protection against shrapnell and ricochet. They even had pretty functional flamethrowers.
slingers would just obliterate that army, particulary, if greatly outnumbered them.
also first pilum throw would be devastating, particulary if outnumbered that way. Would probably kill 90% of them in first throw.
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This is so unreal, a Sherman has like 50mm of armour, no chance in hell can swords even penetrate a tank
The tank would handle it, but the soldiers would be squashed.
8:33 I was that sneaky kid too man 😂
If the game creators are going for any kind of realism, they have a ways to go. First, the bodies of the Romans that got killed would greatly impede the forward movement of the ones trying to advance. They would be falling all over the place. A tank is pretty much impenetrable using swords and spears, plus tanks tend to have machine gunners inside as well. They could easily drive around and crush groups of Romans that were unable to get out of the way due to being blocked by the dense grouping of their fellow soldiers. I could go on for a while about other factors that seem to be completely absent here, but I think I made my point. The game IS in development, so there's that. It would be pretty interesting if someone was able to make a battle sim like this that is so realistic and accurate, that armies around the world started using it to plan battles. 😁
There are also morale effects from marching over the dead from your own side.
@@macmcleod1188 Oh yeah, for sure. Add that in there too. ;-)
"hey buddy. Ya ded?" had me laughing
I don't think those shields would stop a single .45 acp round at close-medium range
😂😂😂😂😂 I’m deceased with you! Great show! Maybe do Saitama vs 1 million roman soldiers?
1 tank could probably destroy any number of roman soldiers u could imagine. Unless its out of fuel ;-;
lol wrong
I've no idea how this came across recommend but I could spend hours watching this. That was epic.
5:25 there is an anime called "Gate: the jsdf goes through" that is about modern japanese forces fighting againts roman/meadival/fantasy armies.
Edit: you can maybe try replicating the first major fight between the romans and the modern soldiers :3
The actual title is "Thus the JSDF fought there".
This game has some crazy potential for gunpowder era combat, having those big blocks of guys all volleying... oh my goodness
Remember the Sherman carries, depending on the armament, a max of 105 shells with the usual load for a 76 Sherman being around 71 or so shells.
So, they are going to run out and hitting it with swords and spears will not hurt them at all.
I was also thinking the barrel probably only lasts a few hundred shots or a thousand at most. Also the soldiers would only be carrying as much ammo as they could carry..
To the shells, you need to add around 6000 rounds for the machine gun. If you have a very early M4 there are 4 machineguns that fire from the inside, in later models there are two. At least the 75mm variant had canister shoots, that would be what you use, not high explosive shells.
The final and perhaps most efficient weapon is the track, humans do not handle a tank running over them very well. When the tank runs out of ammunition and get stuck or round out of fuel it could be destroyed by the Romans.
With some planning and understanding of their enemy, the way to defeat tanks is to dig anti-tank ditches, even better if they are camouflaged. Then use Molotov cocktails on them, after sneaking up on them at night. Romans did use incendiary devices and it would be possible to make some form of Molotov cocktail.
*GOOD LORD* I haven't laughed this hard in a while! Let me check out more videos, maybe I'll try to keep my other lung from exploding. Oh, you should have given them a trebuchet! Much better range!! 🤣🤣🤣
I love this series so far
That was not full auto... that was mega sized firedrakes.
13:20 ABSOLUTE CHAOS THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WWIII IS GONNA BE
The scientific accuracy of this simulation is insane. It’s almost like we could predetermine any war instead of fighting it with 100% accuracy.
It's insanely inaccurate.
Swords and spears would chip the paint off the tank and maybe leave some scratches. It would be more effective for Roman soldiers to pile corpses on the tank and hope the occupants suffocate or overheat.
Roman shields were also mostly made of wood. They would do almost nothing to stop .45 caliber rounds. Each wave of shots would take down the front line of the Roman army.
Finally, it doesn't take into account things like logistics, equipment failure, morale, combat strategies, or fatigue.
It's a fun toy for hypotheticals but useless for actual war applications.
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@@KjetilBalstad rofl
Virtually the only historical victory of large masses of spearmen over a tank formation was in Ethiopia during their invasion by Italy with a small formation of very lightly armored pre-WW2 Italian tanks vastly outnumbered by Ethiopian tribesmen. In virtually every other known such encounter it ends up like the Polish cavalry charge against panzers.
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Ares is the god of war in Greek mythology
can't the tanks just drive over them?
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if you are in front of a 120mm wake up reveille blank cannon. . . you will be dazed, 500 guys would stop and drop, the line of friendly troops in front of the tanks would suffer nerve damage from the concussions.
Tf is a 120mm wake up reveille blank cannon?
Yeah it's kind of inaccurate considering with that huge of a wall of enemies you would just pull the automatic
sam bob The unrealistic part is that the soldiers don't spend 2/3 of time reloading and nobody runs out of ammo.
“Hey! That’s not how you soldier!”
General Baron. Bon. Game.
Looks @ guys with plywood shields charging a bunch of dudes with 45 acp
So, the 45 ACP is a pretty powerful round and these guys would open up at 300-400 yards.
At that range, you can look at video from Iraqveteran8888. It's just cutting through the wood shields.
Secondly 45 is a very penetrating round so like the shotgun slugs or 000 or 00 buck, it's going through the shields, breaking bones & ribs & putting all sorts of holes in people.
Third the 45 is probably punching through the thin metal armor.
The best bet is for the Romans to just ditch any weight and run forward as fast as possible because the Thompsons are going to overheat & maybe you can close distance before they roll the lines. However, you'd tripping and falling over the dead people in front of you for a while. Soldiers would also shoot low if they felt the center of mass firing way ineffective. 45 rounds would be breaking legs and occasionally take out two soldiers at a time from over penetration.
I love your videos keep up the good work
9:35
The PTSD finally started to kick in and they decided they'd rather die than to live with the events of the day.
This doesn't take into account the basic doctrine.
No trenches,
No battle duck ponds.
Your computer must be a beast.
1 full auto sherman vs 100000 shield romans
In real life. Those tanks will just drive over the Romens .
how many romans to take a full auto sherman and other experiments
Love your channel
10 auto Sherman tanks vs 10000 modern solders
“As soon as the Romans get in range…”
The Shermans: “What Romans?”
"They are probably thinking that they are fighting against gods"
11:30 : "You have angered the Gods"
"Fully automatic Shermans"??? That was INSANE !!! BWAHAHAHAHA !
Glad that's just a game that we can laugh about.
You made a mythological reference. I’d like to correct the reference for those interested: you said you think Juno is the Roman god of war.
She isn’t - Mars is the Roman God of war. Juno is the long suffering wife of serial adulterer, Jupiter, in Greek mythology. The Roman equivalent is Hera who is married to Zeus.
Should have done a round where the Romans started about 5 yards away and already encircling the other units. See how they fare not having to close the distance.
"So maybe we can call a B17 bomber run on the Roman formation" had me down
Russel Crowe - Foitin' 'round the world with his buddy Tuggah!
Very nice video!
I can still hear the screams of Baron's PC
How did he turn a tank into an A-10 warthog
Love this guy - randomly clicked on this vid and im entertained
This is friggen COOOOOOL!!!
Honestly if it had more realism, you could probably just lock the hatch of the tank and then be completely impervious to the entire roman army as a human with a sword isn't going to be able to hack through tank armor. Considering the materials as well, their swords would probably be softer as well and may not even leave scratches in anything beyond the paint.