Doctor Reacts to THE LAST OF US // Episode 3
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- A departure from the previous episodes, we see the story of Bill and Frank in episode 3 of The Last of Us; as we examine the medical science from a real doctor's perspective... we talk about Frank's illness, jaundice, sepsis, gunshot wounds and refeeding syndrome.
Timestamps...
00:00 Welcome!
00:16 Spoiler warning! And content warning!
00:27 Disease burden of the fungal infection
02:23 Infectious dose
03:17 Rapid testing
04:09 Refeeding syndrome
05:18 Strawberry surprise!
05:57 GSW to the abdomen
07:21 Surviving a GSW to the abdomen
09:00 Bill as a carer
10:28 Assisted dying
11:18 Frank's medical condition
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I genuinely saw it as a happy ending, they went out on their terms in the middle of an apocalypse and died in the arms of the one they loved, can’t think of a better way t go in the circumstances
On their own terms and after having over a decade of happiness together! Definitely the best way to go in this case.
It's a bittersweet ending for those two. To find a small piece of happiness in a world consumed by darkness.
I'd say even outside of the apocalypse. In our world you can still live a totally miserable, lonely and traumatic life and die horribly. Assisted suicide is illegal in most parts of the world unfortunately and even in legal countries you often have to already suffer a lot before you can go through with it. Frank falling into his trap and Bill being brave enough to let Frank into his heart basically set off a chain of events that saved both of them multiple times throughout the episode in various ways.
I wouldn't call it a happy ending per say, but more bittersweet. It was sad that they were put in that position in the first place, but the way that they handled that was sweet.
🤢🤮
According to the writers, they intentionally kept Frank's disease slightly ambiguous on purpose to add to the "realism" of a world without doctors readily available - in a scenario like this we'd be back to basically Victorian-era medicine and vague diagnoses, and the wide variety of conditions that are manageable with medicine like diabetes or even tetanus would become big problems again - kinda scary when you think about it.
I think this is one reason why so many people put up with the fascist government that's taken control. Doctors and the like will have access to decent medical equipment like MRI machines, heart monitora, vaccines. For most it's probably the lesser of two evils
I think it also hits the watcher harder because they can project their own personal experience onto it. A few years ago I may have seen it as kidney failure because that's what my uncle had before he died. But I saw it as cancer because that's what I have. I saw someone on Reddit say he saw it as ALS because he has that.
Exactly. Anyone with a chronic condition that requires medicine would likely die after a few years. Yes they could go from pharmacy to pharmacy in various cities or towns but other people would have the same thought. Besides that drugs expire and there's no one to make more.
Exactly. I take medicine for a genetic lung disease. I have a young son who is also undergoing cancer treatment. Treating either of those things in an apocalypse would be impossible and prospects would be pretty bleak, even without the infected all over the place.
@@darkshogun5887 Joel states very clearly in both this episode and the first episode that there are medicine factories up and running
it's terrifying how joel and his daughter avoided infection several times by sheer luck:
-forgetting to buy pancake mix
-not eating the biscuits their neighbor made
-sarah avoiding the raisin cookies
-joel forgetting to buy a cake
Holy shit, I didn't catch that, wonderful details!
What would be surprising is that cordiceps survived the oven temperature. That should be a super resilient mutation of fungus, since rarely anything alive survives the 100°C and most baked goods are done at 150-200°C
Edit: Apparently most flours are contaminated up to certain degree with fungi and there are a lot of spores that do survive the oven heat even after 20-40 minutes of baking.
@@pandorabox5532 didn’t the guy talking at the beginning say that fungi could evolve to be less susceptible to heat?
(My first thought instantly was thinking about how weak the zombies are to fire in the game, but I’m going by the show’s rules here)
What's more terrifying is that this is mostly how you hopefully) & I have thus far avoided either catching covid or suffering lasting damage or even death from it: we were lucky often & long enough.
And after all of that, Sarah dying from a gunshot from army soldier is even more upsetting.
In the game, we see Bill as a hardened survivalist who has a lot of sarcastic back and forth with Joel/Ellie. Only a little into Bill’s arc do we see that the guy named Frank has hanged himself after being bitten by an infected. Bill hints that Frank was his partner and a note we find explains that Frank planned to take the car and leave because Bill was too difficult and irritating. I love the deviation from the game to this, even though we didn’t get to see Bill interacting with Joel and Ellie in the same way. It gave him a happier life and less bitterness
Exactly. I was worried that the show would suffer because it was following the story of the game, after all, the game told the story so well that anything else would end up a poor imitation. I think the show strikes a good balance between following the source material and making their own spin to make it better for TV.
I love the interactions with Ellie and Bill and I’m a bit sad they were not included in the show. However, I would choose this version of events every time. Last of Us can be so bleak that getting this win with Bill and Frank was beautiful. It is sad the way it ended, but when Bill said “I’m satisfied” I knew they were doing this with clear minds. Great episode.
In the game, it's so sad to see where Bill and Frank go... But here, I'm so happy for them, because in the end, they won, they beat the apocalypse.
This episode hit my wife and I hard for multiple reasons. The representation of gay relationships in media as very real and normal was nice, particularly since the gay men in question are not stereotypes, but have character depth. Mainly, it was the end and Frank's last day. My wife's mother had progressive MS and Frank's condition was very similar looking to her mother and the way that her father took care of her. It isn't something that often gets handled well in movies and shows either and we were touched by the accuracy of the portrayal of vulnerability and frustration.
I love that they were neither generic nor stereotyped. They were genuine people who loved and fought and loved still. Their end was sad but it was not the "Bury your gays" trope, but a loving story of companionship, loss and in my opinion, a triumph over the apocalypse.
I'm hoping this is just 14 minutes of Dr. Hope going "Man, Nick Offerman rules. And that's my medical opinion." :)
I can tell you obviously have your MD. 😉
Just come off a series of night shifts & still looking most beautiful Dr. Hope!
Impressive!
Another fun review. Thank you!
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7:52 just to clear up this small detail, you're looking at the exit wound! They specify it in the episode that Bill was shot in the back so the wound you see in the front IS the exit wound.
Aww thanks! So a through and through. Also exit wounds usually smaller so I guess this is a good thing!
Ah you beat me to it. Cheers
@@DrHopeSickNotes I think you mean entry wounds are smaller?
@@DrHopeSickNotes Unless its .33 or higher yeah. A 45 Caliber exit wound can be 3ish inches wide.. with flaps and chunks from inside the front out the back. And the front is half an inch wide circle.
Sadly I've seen one.
@@InvertedFreeSolo Thinking the same thing, he turns to tell him to get back in the house and that is when he is shot and we are seeing the exit wound so thankfully no scene of surgical tools with no anesthesia to or even a local before "digging" for a bullet or worse, fragments.
This episode broke me - it's onky one of two TV episodes to ever make me cry. They were able to take Frank, a character who's only appearance in the game was a pair of dangling legs and turn him and Bill into one of the best couples ever
This is such a masterpiece. I watched it with my parents, who are last generation Asian ppl with judging eyes towards gay/lesbian people. They said this is one of the most beautiful tv shows they have watched. Thanks for the reaction as well!
This episode broke me and my dad. When Frank makes the plan to die and the almost montage of them doing their final preparations like getting married broke us. Finally watching them both chug down the wine so they would go out together absolutely sent me. Perfect episode and it shows the writers are actually competent because the bits they do outside of the source material are still phenomenal
The game has some pretty horrific implications for the infection. There is an account from an adult kept in a hospital from the second game at the start of the outbreak.
The bite causes insane hunger for the victim and yet they can’t keep any food down, they get horrible headaches, pain in the eyes and stuff.
We know from the show that you twitch out, you have bad mood swings, it seems to imply that the infected person stays meaningfully conscious in terms of being able to feel pain and emotion for a while until the fungus starts manipulating those to the point where I would assume that the person in there has essentially been eroded to the point where it would certainly be hard to say they “suffer” like people do. But it’s not pretty Walking Dead stuff where you die before becoming a zombie, no, Cordyceps keeps you alive and aware for much longer than anyone should ever have to.
Exactly. Can't be infected if you're dead.
Yeah. They're not undead, they're alive. I think it's a great metaphor for degenerative and chronic diseases.
Yeah, I've often commented that the infection within The Last of Us is arguably so much worse than other more traditional zombie viruses.
It's heavily implied in the games that for a good portion of the infection the person is still aware of what's going on, with some isolated infected weeping and talking to themselves. For those that haven't had their brains completely subsumed by the fungus, they'd be just trapped in their own minds, sensing what's going on around them but unable to stop it.
There's a scene in the 2nd game where one of them is over a victim biting away and you hear the person saying something along the lines of stop help me I don't want to do this or something like that. Pretty horrific stuff. They're definitely conscious but completely out of control for a while.
@@FernandoGonzalez84 I don't think the speech thing is real, I think people are just like hearing things, but they of course do sound like they're in a lot of pain, so it is basically like the fungus is altering your brain chemistry so you become insanely angry and violent and causing ruthless pain as the fungus grows inside your head, but it's still you in there, it just makes YOU feel and behave differently, robs you of cognitive ability the same way for example hypoxia does, where your brain turns to soup if you aren't getting enough oxygen.
It was a beautiful, bittersweet episode. Nick Offerman deserves an Emmy nomination for his performance.
If Paddy Considine gets no Emmy, no one does
It was not beautiful lmao. It was a horrible episode.
@@Clown_the_Clown Huh, ur name really does match.
@@d4rren09 get an original comment you two timing dog fondler
@@Clown_the_Clown Go back to blowing balloons and fiddling kids ya random sado. No asked for ur unfounded negative opinion of the show.
This really hit home. I caught Covid in March 2020 & it left me permanently disabled at only 30. I have very much given up on finding love, acceptance or adequate care for that matter. Seeing two people fall in love, have mutual respect for each other's differences & ultimately make a difficult choice together absolutely broke me 💔
How did Covid leave you disabled?
@@MikMoen I don't know Annie's story, but my friend who caught Covid very early in 2020 lost his legs, I think due to the treatment he needed while in a coma. I can't really remember the details and he died by suicide last year. I can't really tell what tone you meant your question in, but I'm hoping it wasn't mean spirited.
@@briddoherty1473 I'm so sorry. Covid sucks so much.
@@MikMoen I am not OP but my buddy was wheelchair bound for 6 months after spending a week in the ICU with covid. Took months of physical therapy to get him walking again. Covid damaged his lungs so much he could barely take a few steps before panting and being out of breath. Might be similar.
@@MikMoenmy neighbor caught covid early on in the pandemic and almost died in the hospital. He was a healthy 28 year old with nothing wrong with him that he knew of. He was in the hospital for three months and all his organs were shutting down. His wife thought he was going to die. Somehow, he made it through, but couldn’t walk without a wheelchair. It took him months and months of physical therapy to be able to walk again on his own. When he came back home from the hospital it looked like he had aged 20 years. So maybe OP had a similar experience.
My parents are the best carers I could ask for. Sometimes my cancer medication keeps me bedridden. It's incredible to me what they do every day.
I wish you the best man.
Just a fun note, the whiskey Frank is using on Bill's wound is Wild Turkey - which their "flagship" whiskey is 101 proof(50% alchohol). I'm not much of a whiskey guy, but I thought Wild Turkey even had 151 proof(75% alcohol) at one time like 20 years ago.
As someone who knew nothing about the game, I am pleasantly surprised how well this episode was. This was an episode that showed the humanity still exists. Both the highs and lows. The ending was done beautifully , considering the violent nature of this series. They left on their terms. Peacefully and together.
A++++ episode. Cried my ass off. Strong, strong script. Superb acting. Couldn't have expected this at all.
I lost my sister through euthanasia here in Belgium and it's something that should be legal everywhere. However, when countries make it legal they have to set up care for the friends and family because at the moment it's an horrific experience I've not come to terms with after 6 years. You just don't know how to deal with someone saying hey, in 1 year I'll commit suicide, because that's about how long the procedure took for it getting approved and finding a doctor who was willing to perform the euthanasia. When people pass away through suicide, it's sudden and afterwards people feel like they could have done something. With Euthanasia it drags on and on, you first had to go through the years that led up to the decision, and when the decision is made you have to continuously keep yourself from trying to talk them out of it, it's fucking hard to respect the decision and give them a last year like they want to. And then the day arrives and you don't know how to mourn, as it's nothing like any other death. And then you have the interaction with the world, yeah, my sister died, she was 29... How did she die? And then you have to go through it all again because to outsiders it's a fascinating thing. And if you're really lucky like my family, some American Christian group finds out and you get bombarded with threats how we're evil for letting this happen and how we'll burn in hell with her.
This was a great episode, but assisted suicide and euthanasia is a difficult subject, it's good that it gets some attention, but the reality isn't this nice and sweet.
American "Christians" *sigh* , a lot of them no longer behave in any way like the man they worship. I hope you don't waste anymore of your thoughts about them. Churches are closing due to less and less young people joining . They want to blame gays, Satan, Liberals whatever, but it really comes down to how horrible so many of them are and why would anyone want to be like that? Best to your family.
I'm sorry, American Christian groups are *the worst*, and you shouldn't have to go through that.
My grandmother was ill for the last couple years of her life, and while we don't have legal euthanasia here, it was still... strange, to mourn someone who was still alive, knowing their time was limited and they were suffering, and there was nothing you could do about it.
Yeah I agree, the episode shows Bill's devotion to Frank, by taking care of him even in his old age. It is sad that they both die in the end, but the story is a much happier one than in the game to me.
The scene of Frank helping Bill with the gun shot, it seemed to me that Frank might of had some medical knowledge. He doesn't hesitate, or look confused.
It made me wonder if that was something from before the world fell apart or if while living in the Baltimore QZ he was assisting the medical personal and learned some basic things there. They don't really delve into his back ground much, which is understandable.
Frank was the sole survivor out his group of... was it ten people who were heading for Boston? He must've had a good set of survival skills to make it through when the rest didn't.
My one minor critique of this episode is that they made Frank seem a bit too much a "damsel in distress". I think a quick conversation at the first lunch maybe Bill asking Frank what he did before and Frank responding that he was an ER nurse or something similar and while it was hinted at making it little clearer that Frank had a green thumb and Bill did not would have improved what was an excellent episode.
If he was FROM Baltimore and was in any kind of medical hospital, he would have seen bullet wounds before the outbreak. I work in Baltimore and unfortunately, our homicide rate stays at a stubborn 300+ each year . Military doctors come here to work in our hospitals to get experience treating bullet wounds . IT's one of those things that you get better at apparently. So, the good news is that if you are shot in Baltimore, you're getting some of the best doctors in the world treating you!!
Fungus fact: Those things growing from the trapped infected's eye are not hypha. They are stroma, which is a defining feature of many cordyceps. It acts as a sort of branch to get the fruiting body at the tip out into the open for optimum sporulation into the air.
when we got to see frank struggle with painting and stuff like that it imediatly made me think of ms, bc its kinda similair for my mother, on bad days her left hand while be quite uncontrolable when trying to grab or give something. as an artist myself, it would be incredibly devastating, and you see that in franks face as he tries to paint.
( i mean a lot of amazing artists learn to make art in new ways that does work with their new limitation but ya know, it will still FEEL like you lost something)
My partner died of ALS 10 years ago only 3-4 years after the first symptoms, and this episode really hit me in the gut
I believe Bill was shot in the back as he turned to tell Frank to go back inside, so the wound we see when he's on the table IS the exit wound. Someone please correct me, if I'm mistaken.
I don't think you're mistaken, I think you're correct.
Having had Juvi Diabetes since I was 22mos. Diabetic Retinopathy took me out of the Veterinary biz in my 20's so, of all things, I became a photographer, Stroke and Renal failure in '01. Three years Dialysis then Kidney/Pamcreas Transplant in '04. Trust me when I say I have an Exit Strategy in place. First I have to get this Homestead going for my wife to have something to keep her going if I Ghost first. Just me and my MacGuyvering abilities. I appreciated Bill having such tho I wonder what they could ingest that would not cause severe abdominal distress.
For assisted suicide in the U.S. they usually prescribe Seconal which is a powerful sleep aid but it killed a lot of people especially when they mixed it with alcohol so it went off the market.
Heard a lot of pharmacies made it unavailable ($500) and make you buy another drug instead ($2,000). Bastards. Get you coming and going.
Really appreciate you looking up what illness Frank has, many reactors think it's cancer :p It makes sense given that he is in a wheelchair, so his legs clearly do not work and that wouldn't necessarily be linked to cancer if you think about it, so my first guess was a neurological desease when i saw the episode. At the same time i can understand Frank, he wanted to go out while he still has some control over his body instead of waiting until he is completely disabled with dementia. In a post-apocalyptic world with no options...you have to respect that.
My first thought when I watched it was that Frank had survived a stroke.
@@mkl_dvd Hah, yes that could be have been an option as well :) Given their diets...it wouldn't be surprising either, at least it wasn't heart disease, not that it's better or worse.
Frank held on until he couldn't do what he loved-painting. You can see the resignation in his eyes as he tries to work on his canvas.
I guess I was the only person who guessed MS as soon as I saw the way he was sitting in the wheelchair, with his legs folded to the side and his hands curled up... then when he was having trouble with painting and using his fork and knife, I was like "yep, some kind of neurological disease".
@LLG I assumed ALS rather than MS due to how quickly it progressed. Less than 10 years to go from symptomless to that level of disability is pretty uncommon for MS, especially with relapsing remitting MS being most common. But it is basically guaranteed for ALS.
One of the most famous swedish hockey players of all time passed away in November from ALS, after a diagnosis in July. Seeing his incredibly fast detoriation was absolutely heartbreaking.
This is my favorite series on YT right now.
I’m also the caregiver of my partner. He was more emotional then I was when we watched this ep…. I think I’m numb to this type of narrative (lol at my trauma response). One time my husband’s doctor told me that I probably need therapy for ptsd more than my husband does (we don’t have the same neurological protections for other people) so if you’re a caregiver too, you are valid and you are not alone! ❤
God, even though this is a cut down version of the actual episode, it still rips me to shreds emotionally
Thought you might have talked about Ellie being so happy to find tampons in the apocalypse and what exactly that would imply for how awful such a situation would be for menstruating people!
That scene reminded my heavily of all the quiet sequences in the games where you'd be carefully scouting out old buildings and ruins for supplies and stuff like that.
While the game's mechanics skewed more towards finding scraps that you could turn into improvised weapons or tools, Ellie being excited by the prospect of an unopened box of tampons felt very real and in the spirit of those same sequences.
Women are not called menstruating people, they're women the only gender that menstrates. Do not dehumanise women.
In an apocalyptic scenario, all "menstruating people" become women again. Because no one would give an f anymore if they "don't feel" like it. The luxury of identifying out of misery is only afforted in places and times of prosperity and abundance. That's when people get bored and start caring about pronouns.
@@red_calla_lily Men are not labelled as semen creating people or such horrible, dehumanising terms and I don't know why this is acceptable in any scenario for any gender in any scenario. I find it despicable that anyone can be labelled by whether or not they menstruate. We all have identities and are all humans, men and women, it really is that simple.
lol confidentally incorrect XD
Such a beautiful and sad episode 😭
This episode hit real hard, i was crying for like a solid hour even after i finished it. But yeah it was so hard to look at frank the way they put him it was so weird seeing anyone like that again since i grew up with my step grandfather having ALS. He got it around the time i was born and so I never saw him walk but the doctors said he had only 3-5 years to live. I think he lived 13-15 i cant entirely remember but around that time. Im 24 now so its a while ago since he died.
I'm assuming the test probably checks temperature to see if the person is running fever. I'm pretty sure when they are talking about Ellie's bite, they mention that the fever would have burned through her in 24 hours at most. I'm guessing this is part of the immune response whe ninfected with cordyceps.
This was such a wonderful episode. I cried, multiple times. I gotta say, my first though about Frank's illness was MS, since i do have family with ALS and it looks... a little different, to my eyes at least. But I suppose if they tried to keep it vague, mission accomplished.
I didn't think there was much to talk about, medically speaking, due to the relative lack of action in episode 3. And boy was I wrong. Especially love your observation and appreciation of the prosthetics on the infected guy in the episode
Doctor Hope , so glad to see you pop up in my feed after such a long time. Your channel was one of the first ones I subscribed to at the begining of the Pandemic. I am glad in fact that you are still with us.
Your info at the time was so valuable and I think got many of us through the initial months and year. I am glad you are now observing the undead in your off hours and have returned to a somewhat normal routine in your life.
Thank you so much for your sensible posts during that time ,You are an unsung hero in my world.I am going to enjoy looking for the lost episodes of your vlog and best wishes to your then housemate and Lego whisperer . Your both showed the Dunkirk Spirit at a Time when the world needed it
Now back to things that would'nt normally happen in real life . RIGHT.!!!!!!!!!!!
I personally know of an old lady that was struggling with cancer and was in pain a lot, at times wishing to die but luckily the whole medical marijuana thing went into effect which allowed her to ease the pain by a lot with little to no effects, she did stink a lot and hated the thing at the beginning but got used to it and probably because of it was happier too until her passing. Her husban passed a few months late too, some saying out of sadness.
There's no medical marijuana in my country and I think I would hate the stink too but I'm sure it'd beat tramadol for cancer medication side effects. Damn thing gave me nightmares.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep medical marijuana really needs to be normalised for pain treatment in terminal patients, its not gonna make them die faster so at least let them be painless while they have their last time on this earth
@@goulitry No to mention there's alot of studies indicating that its relaxation effects coupled with the introspective nature of the effects actually help people cope with death alot more effectively than traditional hospice medications like morphine which can often leave the person confused and disoriented in their final moments.
My partner and I were a snotty, snotty mess. Will be looking back on this moment in television for a very long time, just beautiful
Another banger doc! I love watching you cover this series and I wasn't sure what you were gonna do with this episode but you found a lot of really interesting things to talk about and I learned a bunch. Thanks again!! LOVED this episode!
I loved this oddest love story I've ever seen. I started not particularly comfortable watching tow hairy burly men making out in bed and kissing, and ended annoyed they hadn't gotten married earlier hoping they would kiss again to say goodby, with tears in my eyes.
Someone on another board pointed out that this was before gay marriage was legalized (at least in the US) .
This episode had me crying for 2 days 😭, it was so bitter sweet and so well executed, just absolute *chef's kiss* When I watched it, I thought Frank had Parkinson's, as it looked like he'd gotten shaky while trying to paint and was struggling with fine motor functions, it can't be cured, but you can take medication to alleviate the symptoms.
Me too! I loved it so much I watched it again a couple of days later. One of the most beautiful pieces of TV I’ve ever seen.
all of us cried from this ep
The details are so great, every little thing was thought of and given attention.
Excellent discussion and impressed with your research into the show's intentions with ALS or MS as Frank's medical condition. Thank you
Such a beautiful episode, I now have dehydration from crying so much! I wonder if Coeliacs would've done well in the initial infection?
I figured Frank's disease was something genetic that runs in his family, which was how he knew what it was and that there was no cure. If you notice you're beginning to show the same symptoms that you observed in, say, your uncle or your grandfather years and years ago, you'll probably suspect that you have the same disease they had, and you have an idea how it'll eventually affect you. And you may be willing to take drastic measures to try and prevent suffering as badly as you witnessed your loved one(s) suffer. Angelina Jolie, for instance, witnessed her own mother's suffering and eventual death from breast cancer when she was young, and opted to have an elective mastectomy as an adult in order to eliminate any chance that she might get breast cancer, too.
@Dr Hope's Sick Notes,
Your channel was recommended to me--I've been watching other reactors react to the Last of Us. It's nice hearing a doctors take on this, so thanks for sharing your expertise.
I'm a bit late, given this episode aired weeks ago, but Craig Mazin (IIRC) said that they never really decided on an illness, which is why they didn't name it, but said that it was either ALS or MS.
EDIT: LOL, you googled it and found out. Nice!
This was an amazing analysis. Thank you.
Such a fantastic episode 💜💜
Just found your channel through the last of us and have to say I love these videos because they are actually very informative and help to paint a realistic picture in a world where thankfully most of us have very little contact to for example gsw.
Dear Dr. Shoutout for the wonderful video's you make. I so enjoy watching them. You must be a great doctor for your patients. Thanks. Emile
i’m glad i (technically the ytube algorithm) lead me to stumble on this.. i, too, was actually suspecting ALS judging by his wheelchair boundness & difficulty holding a paint brush & earring (using utensils).. i was honestly glad to see an unexpected medical-perspective opinion on this episode, so thank you!
Great video I absolutely loved this episode. Definitely my favorite episode so far. Nick Offerman and Murray Bartlett deserve awards for their performances here 👏🏽
You're a legend for producing such high quality and interesting content off the back of night shifts! Subscribed.
Amazing piece of TV this episode
One of the best episodes of TV i have seen in years.
Please get some sleep!!
But while you’re up, I’m glad for your compassionate thoughts on this episode, it really got the tear ducts going for me. Thanks for this video!,
So are you going to be doing this for every episode because if so, I'm here for it.
My favorite episode so far and also the most heartbreaking.
Really love seeing you posting on the regular!!! :D
I really love watching you react to the show!
I really enjoy your analysis to this show and especially looking forward to this episode as it is relatively short of injuries to be analysed. The more happy I am about things you explained and mentioned regarding the caretaking and emotional stress it brings.
When I watched the episode I initially thought Frank might have some disease like Parkinson’s. But when you mentioned ALS as a possible disease I was shocked that I haven’t seen this myself earlier, with having a history of ALS in my family and the caretaking connected to this.
With this knowledge the episode just became better for me than it was already, as it is the happiest ending possible for Frank and probably also Bill. ALS is hell of a disease.
Also, I didn’t know that it can lead to a kind of dementia as well, so thanks for this information. It makes it easier to understand why my grandpa was not really reacting in the end anymore after 13 years with this condition.
Please stay as you are, you’re adding so much value to UA-cam with your kind and positive personality.
Just as a note, the booze might be a cask strength bourbon, which has an abv range between 62.5 up to 70%, so probably a good choice as an antiseptic 😉
I loved this episode and how different it was from the game. In the game we dont ever get to see frank and bill’s relationship , we only see frank’s corpse as he decided to end his life after being bitten , and bill only alludes to his relationship and is mostly closed off. They could have copied the game and had joel ellie and bill go to the school and fight the infected and get the car that way , but i love how this version has the same outcome for the story but changes the circumstances in a really impactful way. Amazing adaptation.
I love this episode and it is, dare I say, beautiful in its presentation and tone.
3:40 It's kind of funny that you should mention blood glucose testing. In Mira Grant's (Seanan McGuire's) _Newsflesh_ novels, a modified blood glucose test was the prototype for the device that could instantaneously detect the viral infection that turned its victims into literal zombies. It's part of the reason their civilisation managed to adapt, rather than completely collapse, when the dead began walking and feeding among the living.
Honestly this being such a strange episode compared to the first 2, i was wondering what you were gonna be able to tell us here. To my surprise quite a lot and i really enjoyed listening to it and actually learned a few things. Thanks doc!
After having seen a few reactions to this episode I appreciate it even more. Apart from the brilliant emotional story it also shows that even a crazy world like this gets normal. You can only live in crisis mode for so long before you have to accept the new reality. In a way it also makes it even clearer that the world Ellie lives in is for her 100% normal, because she has never experienced anything else.
As someone who only knows about trauma care from military service I thought it was completely unrealistic that he would survive a GSW to the abdomen without more advanced care. But the statistics you brought up were interesting, maybe it's not that improbable
Could be because in the military you're primarily looking at rifle calibers and larger, whereas the gun that hit bill might've been smaller, therefore less likely to cause any critical damage. Not something that's been confirmed, but it would make sense to me.
I would also consider that Frank and Bill have had the run of an entire town for over a decade at this point, as well as a long standing trading partnership with Joel and Tess. Even if it's not explicitly shown in the episode, it's reasonable to assume that they have the supplies and equipment necessary to provide care throughout recovery. We jump from the immediate response to the injury to years later, when he's recovered.
Can’t wait for the next episode keep up the good work👍
Grate vid. If you watch the clip where Bill was hit you'll se he was shot in the lower back. That hole frank is cleaning is the exit wound. So pretty clean through and through and lucky shot. That's how he survived. ;)
I love your medical reviews of The Last of Us and am glad youre doing this. You should do the whole season!
If the theory about the hallucinogens being the mechanism by which the fungus takes over the brain is correct, the instant tester could be looking for those compounds or their metabolites. If they metabolize into some form of sugar that isn't normally present in the human body it would be a good quick indicator for testing in the field.
I love your videos…..so knowledgeable.
Thank you, thank you, thank you✨🙏✨
I hope you slept well and was refreshed after✨🙇✨
great video!
Another great episode.
2:00 in the fantasy sci-fi of this fungus they say the fungus itself is fighting off bacterial infections and “puppeteering” the body of the host. In the early stages of the infection the host still has consciousness and can cry and talk but can’t control their drive to kill and spread the fungus
This episode just gave me all the warm and fuzzies.
Thank you for mentioning re-feeding syndrome! Most people are unaware of this.
Having a lot of fun watching this! I'm interested to know if you'd have any thoughts on the korean period horror series Kingdom which also has a zombie plague scenario where the science of the disease is (in my opinion) really well thought out. I'm not a doctor myself but from just having a passing interest in epidemiology, I was able to hash out aspects of the disease from the symptoms presented in the show before it was properly revealed in the story. I'd recommend it if you've not watched it yet!
Gotta say, seeing that dudes face in the first scene, "secondary bacterial infection" was not at the top of my mind lol. That's why I love this series!
This episode was so good.
I care for my mother who suffers from end stage MS and this episode hit me pretty hard.
I'm glad you're covering this, and that you seem to be enjoying it. No spoilers, but there's a section in the second video game that takes place in a hospital, so you can see the aftermath of what happened as infected people were brought in decades earlier, and read notes from doctors and even some patients describing their experiences. Some of those notes are pretty sad and horrific. It made me think about how scary it must have been for doctors during the early days of COVID-19 before anybody really knew what was going on, or how the disease was spread. Of all the historical, real-life plagues and pandemics and epidemics, which one do you think would be the most scary one for the world to experience today?
I was in college when AIDS first got a foodhold. Doctors , dentists were catching it from open wounds etc ....they rarely wore gloves except during surgeries. There was no treatment and by the time symptoms showed up , people would be dead in a matter of weeks. I knew premed students who switched majors cuz they were freaked out by it. And our illustrious POTUS at the time, wouldn't even mention it nor was the federal govt doing anything about. Until, it started spreading into a more general population ...people never learn.
Please do a medical reaction video to Robocop (by Paul Verhoeven), particularly to the scenes of Murphy’s shooting at the hands of Boddicker’s gang, and the subsequent attempted resuscitation in the hospital. Supposedly, the medical team in the resuscitation scene was played by an actual hospital trauma team.
And then react to the infamous scene from Our Robocop Remake.
Honestly my favorite Episode so far... which is kinda weird but its just soo good.
Heartbreaking. Again, I'm too sensitive for these kinds of shows. But interesting hearing your take on what goes on.
The organ failure part reminded me that we’d still be alive while infected, makes it so much scarier.
What you're looking at in the wound is actually the exit wound since he got shot when he looked back and was talking to Frank. So the entry wound was from the back and exit from the front. Doesn't look like there was a lot of bleeding, so most likely didn't hit anything major.
i love hearing your input on this!!
are you enjoying the show?
just wondered if it was something you'd watch even if you weren't making these videos on it?
Thank God, I live in the USA, a place with great healthcare and low gun violence.
This TLOU episode must get an award!
For what?
In regards to Bill's survival, we never learn Frank's profession. Remember, he was a sole survivor of a group of ten. I imagine he may have been a doctor and/or surgeon.
4:02 I was under the impression that when tests are developed, they are engineered in a way that they won't give false negatives (i.e. so an actually infected/positive person does not go unnoticed), but have a chance to give a false positive.
So addressing the idea that the fungus with spread worldwide through the food supply. Flour and sugar as mentioned in the show are raw ingredients. They are almost always put into products that are baked at high temperatures before being consumed. Cooking and baking at high temperatures would destroy fungus spores. If this were not true fungal infections would be much more common than they currently are.
This episode highlights what I think is a flaw in prepping for older people
I used to watch the Canadian Prepper channel on UA-cam. One day the host mentioned old age and prepping. He spoke to his older viewers who are in their 50’s and beyond (i.e my age range) he asked them a question - knowing that you are getting older and may already be having health issues and on medication is prepping for SHTF worth it? Even with a family and friends your internal health issues won’t go away.
He went on to talk about how as a lone senior citizen Prepper you may come into conflict with other people who are younger and stronger than you. Could you really go toe to toe with some 20 determined 20 somethings who wanted to raid you?
It was a sobering thought and helped me make some decisions about my views on long term prepping.
amazing content
I think the gunshot wound in the abdomen is the exit wound. Bill got shot when he turned to face Frank, so I think the bullet entered somewhere in his back and exited out the front of his abdomen.