Having owned five 911s over the years, and driven on extended test a 992, my 991T with narrow body and light Upgrade exhaust liberating an extra 35bhp is honestly, the best 911 for every day, I don’t think I will ever sell it
@@berponteberponte3231 yes! It is a 992.1. At some point next year during the change, we will see 992.1 and 992.2 as 2024 models in the same showroom for a brief period of time.
Great point on the power sweet spot, most powerful is not always the best drivers car. Much rather have accessible real world performance, that rewards you.
I’ve got a 992 Carrera S & if your on a crappy b road or in town its on the edge of acceptable..above 50 ish 😉 it gets better the faster u go..on a smooth road / motorway its perfect
I considered a basic 992 vs a 718 GT4 but it was clear it wasn't as much fun to drive as a GT4. Ended up picking the 718 Spyder since it has the same chassis now. Manual of course! Had there been a manual 992 T I might have chosen. that!
Informative and easy to digest video as always 👍Whenever you get the opportunity, i'm curious to hear your impressions on the 992 T's 7 spd manual shift feel. I watched a POV canyon driving video of the 992 Carrera T on 'TheTopher''s youtube channel and was blown away by how potent this 'base' 385PS engine was on public roads and as you say, how eager the front-end was to turn in. I'm not sure if the engine sound into the cabin is synthesised but I also liked that there's an additional shriek-sound between 6500rpm-fuel cut off too in these 3.0 twin turbo carrera engines. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the kind words! I'd dearly love to try a manual 992T and have been offered a drive by a friend once the car lands. I'll be sure to report back.
I’ve had both 991 Manual T and 991 PDK T, the two cars feel completely different, the Manual is alive in a way the paddle car just isn’t. Nothing against cars with paddles, my 675 has them and I wouldn’t want it any other way. But when spec’ing my 992 there was question as to which box it would have. And it’s so much sweeter than the 991 T shifter. It’s as precise and sharp as a GT3 now, no slop at all. And controversially I actually think the 7 speed in the T is better than the 6 in the GT3, because the ratios are that much closer together. You don’t even notice the 7th gear, you can’t access it unless already in 6th and even the manual says you won’t reach the cars top speed with it. So I can only imagine it’s there for emission certification? The invite is there for Lee to come and drive it..
The conversation around spec mirrors the Australian experience - including 991.2 T. There aren't many on the used market but often are specced with PSK, rear seats, sunroof, etc, etc... I reckon for many buyers there's an appeal in having the T as a 'special' badged car but not at the expense of everyday luxuries, which I think misses the point to some degree. Still, everyone's got their own flavour and is entitled to spec their car as they see fit.
I have a Manual 992 T as my own personal car, I had a manual 991 T before which I loved, didn’t actually expect the 992 to be as good. Because it is that bit bigger, but it is actually better. The most noticeable thing being the gearbox, it’s just so sweet now. I’m sure like the prev gen T the manual and PDK cars are like night and day in driver engagement. So you’re welcome to come and drive/review mine Lee. It has RAS and very little else. No sunroof!! If you liked the manual 991 T, you’ll love the 992. Get in touch, Daniel.
Always interesting to get your opinions - great review. I have a 992 T on order (build is in July - I'm quite excited!) after a fruitless search for a 991 T with ceramics, manual, and buckets. I agree the 992 is getting borderline big but to put it in perspective I also had a deposit down on a Lotus Emira - its around 50mm+ wider than the 992! The Emira looked stunning but I really couldn't get over the size. Its not length that matters its the width!! How long will cars continue to get bigger? Look forward to your thoughts on the manual 992 T.
I've got a 992 T in manual. As you say there was no issue with supply but I think dealers are nervous of speccing manual cars for the showroom so early cars arriving in showrooms are pdk. The car is a joy with the stick. If you're at the Cobham monthly evening in July say hello. Maybe Porsche GB will have a manual car for you to try?
@@bernardwarr4187 I meant no issues in getting a manual. Put my deposit down 18 months ago so I understand what you're getting at! Same with most Porsche models. However lack of supply means once you get a car it holds its value incredibly well.
Great review. Totally agree on the sports suspension. Had a 992 GTS - sold it after 6 weeks as the ride is too choppy over bumpy b roads in the UK. The damping isn’t good enough when compared with the GT products. My 991.2 GTS was a far superior car suspension set up wise. Very disappointing and poor from Porsche - agree with the need for a C16 setup. Finally seeing reviews showing this problem now with you and Joe Achilles saying the same thing.
@@9WERKSTV My 992 T is better damped than my previous T. A few people have said it takes 3k of miles for the suspension to settle down and also tyre brands can make a difference. Mines on Goodyears.
@@helmetculture Cumulative. But consider this: 80 pounds of the claimed 100 pounds of weight savings comes from the manual vs PDK transmission. So everything else done (removal of back seat, less sound deadening material, smaller battery, thinner glass) is only 20 pounds total. So, 35 pounds savings is very significant in the world of this 911. I also opted for no rear wheel steer to save weight. Interestingly, the new S/T was spec'ed the same for the same reason. I went with the CF roof too, again to maximize weight savings. It all adds up. And worthy to note: The 4-way semi-manual seats are amazing - same shape as the 18 ways. 👍
@@nvanpraag thanks for the note mate! Would you ever look at swapping the 4 ways for buckets? Reason I'm interested. Trying to spec a 992 not based on price but based on the lightest possible spec sheet. Things like leather vs plastic? Sport chrono delete and headlight options. Would white paint even be lighter than black or guards? The dealers seem to only know what each option costs but not costs in weight Very interesting stuff. A manual it would have for sure
@@helmetculture If weight savings is your objective and you're not as sensitive to cost I would go with the CF buckets. Those were not available in the states when I ordered the T but I would have passed because of cost and the fact I will only be using the car on the street (read: comfort). I have worked with Audi for many years, been to the Porsche factory (as well as Audi), and studied the Porsche assembly process and what I have learned all of the colors are executed in the same process, hence would weigh the same. Across model lines sometimes there's a difference (for example, an RS5 has more paint than an A3) but for 911's it should all be pretty much the same. And yes, the dealers don't know much. I found a service tech that was a 911 "Weight Weenie" and had spec'd a 991 to be as light as possible, so he was the one I learned the most from. The salesperson knew far less than I did.
@@helmetculture Also note, I went with the Carrera Exclusive wheels as they were the only forged option of the three available for the T at the time. If you really want to save weight, however, an aftermarket race wheel like a forged HRE will be far lighter than any optional Porsche wheel (in the non-GT cars).
Hi Lee - love the channel - love the vids - I would be delighted if you kept at least one hand on the steering wheel at all tlmes…. I wince when you double wave your hands mate.
Great video lee the 991.T has always had my interest and I'm struggling to like the 992 as a whole although the GT cars are very special... especially the GT3RS which I have now seen in the flesh anf was blown away.
All the thinner glass does is let more of the tyre roar in 😂 911 tyre sizes have become truly ridiculous. The amount of punctures must be insane (it was bad enough with 997 sized tyres)
So much jealousy! First - the 992 911 is without any doubt the best 911 ever built. I had a Gt4 2022- and I traded it in on a 911T. Why? The gt 4 has an annoying loud groaning exhaust sound- and the 718 is simply too small inside and the entire dashboard and electronics are ten years out of date. A new 718 of any model - has a CD player still for God’s sake! The 911 k992 has a wonderful exhaust sound and lots of pops and baubles in sport mode. Sophisticated and performance oriented. It is not massive - smaller than almost every other sports car from Europe. Have you driven a new c8 even? I am 6’ 2” and I can push the drivers seat back such that I cannot touch the pedals with my toes! The 911 is still the top of the line - and the 718 models are the cheaper choice and outdated. If you have to be in sport to get the better pops and crackles. The electronics tech is state of the art- just say “hey porsche” and tell her what you need. With really over 400 hp - it has more hp than 95% of all Porsche sports cars from the 991 back in time. I also own a 2022 Boxster GTS - a beautiful car also - but it is not a 911 -
Hey Lee. Really interesting to hear your take on 991.2 T vs 992 T and where you feel 992 T fits in the 992 range. Do you have a second to clarify about final drives? Do all T's have LSD/PTV? Do manuals have mechanical LSD and PDKs have electronically activated clutch differential = PTV? And in 991.2 T do both manual and pdk have higher ratio rear ends? Sorry, probably too many questions.
Nice video. I still think the T is a huge marketing con by Porsche however at least you’ve got the correct gearbox Lee 😉 ps GTS is the Carrera sweet spot.
Totally agree with the T con job ! Let’s take a gorgeous C2, put some of the worst graphics you can find and stick them on the sides…….find some 4-way seats and gut the centers with some goofy material out of a KIA. Trash what was a nice rear storage / small seat area…..and offer a manual that slows down the excellent performance of the 385 hp. I don’t get it……and NEVER WOULD !!!
Never seen a modern 911 being ragged..always driven by the golden oldies posing. Think that's what puts me off the brand even if i had the money..what's the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? 😂😂
Having owned five 911s over the years, and driven on extended test a 992, my 991T with narrow body and light Upgrade exhaust liberating an extra 35bhp is honestly, the best 911 for every day, I don’t think I will ever sell it
I'd be inclined to agree with you there, Alan. What a car.
Alan, your car 👏, a 991.1 manual GTS and a RUF SCR are my lottery win Porsches.
Did you ever have a GTS however?
Just got the call for my Carrera T allocation!
I'm going with PDK too (don't hate me lol)
I have a 2023 911 T, just 2 months old... simply sublime to drive. Amazing street car.
Just specced one. Carbon roof, carbon buckets, rear seat delete, manual, rear steer. October build.
Big congrats!
Really looking forward to a 911.2 T vs 992 T back to back test.
My 2024 Carrera T (manual, rear axle steering, and bucket seats) goes into production today!! Couldn’t be more excited.
2024???
Exciting times ahead for you, Panos!
@@berponteberponte3231 yes! It is a 992.1. At some point next year during the change, we will see 992.1 and 992.2 as 2024 models in the same showroom for a brief period of time.
Great point on the power sweet spot, most powerful is not always the best drivers car. Much rather have accessible real world performance, that rewards you.
I’ve got a 992 Carrera S & if your on a crappy b road or in town its on the edge of acceptable..above 50 ish 😉 it gets better the faster u go..on a smooth road / motorway its perfect
Nice review, thanks Lee. I'm collecting mine (GT Silver Manual with RWS) on Thursday.. can't wait!
Fantastic, Greg - wishing you many fun miles ahead!
I considered a basic 992 vs a 718 GT4 but it was clear it wasn't as much fun to drive as a GT4. Ended up picking the 718 Spyder since it has the same chassis now. Manual of course! Had there been a manual 992 T I might have chosen. that!
Spyder looks way better and is much more rare too. I thought of going into a 992 T but was talked out of it
I think you made the right choice
Informative and easy to digest video as always 👍Whenever you get the opportunity, i'm curious to hear your impressions on the 992 T's 7 spd manual shift feel. I watched a POV canyon driving video of the 992 Carrera T on 'TheTopher''s youtube channel and was blown away by how potent this 'base' 385PS engine was on public roads and as you say, how eager the front-end was to turn in. I'm not sure if the engine sound into the cabin is synthesised but I also liked that there's an additional shriek-sound between 6500rpm-fuel cut off too in these 3.0 twin turbo carrera engines. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the kind words! I'd dearly love to try a manual 992T and have been offered a drive by a friend once the car lands. I'll be sure to report back.
I’ve had both 991 Manual T and 991 PDK T, the two cars feel completely different, the Manual is alive in a way the paddle car just isn’t. Nothing against cars with paddles, my 675 has them and I wouldn’t want it any other way. But when spec’ing my 992 there was question as to which box it would have. And it’s so much sweeter than the 991 T shifter. It’s as precise and sharp as a GT3 now, no slop at all. And controversially I actually think the 7 speed in the T is better than the 6 in the GT3, because the ratios are that much closer together. You don’t even notice the 7th gear, you can’t access it unless already in 6th and even the manual says you won’t reach the cars top speed with it. So I can only imagine it’s there for emission certification? The invite is there for Lee to come and drive it..
You really are one of the best 911 reviewers around !! Keep it up Lee 👍
What kind words, Ian! Thank you so much.
The conversation around spec mirrors the Australian experience - including 991.2 T. There aren't many on the used market but often are specced with PSK, rear seats, sunroof, etc, etc... I reckon for many buyers there's an appeal in having the T as a 'special' badged car but not at the expense of everyday luxuries, which I think misses the point to some degree. Still, everyone's got their own flavour and is entitled to spec their car as they see fit.
Agreed completely, Andy!
I have a Manual 992 T as my own personal car, I had a manual 991 T before which I loved, didn’t actually expect the 992 to be as good. Because it is that bit bigger, but it is actually better. The most noticeable thing being the gearbox, it’s just so sweet now. I’m sure like the prev gen T the manual and PDK cars are like night and day in driver engagement. So you’re welcome to come and drive/review mine Lee. It has RAS and very little else. No sunroof!! If you liked the manual 991 T, you’ll love the 992. Get in touch, Daniel.
That is most kind, Daniel. Thank you. Where abouts are you based? Feel free to DM me on Insta, @9werks_lee.
@@9WERKSTV Hi Lee, message sent.
Manual transmission and no sunroof! 🤌
Respectfully what’s wrong with sunroof? Weight?
25kg of weight in the worst possible place
You said race-tex seat centers, but it's checkered sport-tex.
I had a 19 carrera T. I got an allocation for a 992 4gts. The T was more fun. Wish i had kept it
Always interesting to get your opinions - great review.
I have a 992 T on order (build is in July - I'm quite excited!) after a fruitless search for a 991 T with ceramics, manual, and buckets.
I agree the 992 is getting borderline big but to put it in perspective I also had a deposit down on a Lotus Emira - its around 50mm+ wider than the 992!
The Emira looked stunning but I really couldn't get over the size. Its not length that matters its the width!!
How long will cars continue to get bigger?
Look forward to your thoughts on the manual 992 T.
How long did it take to get an allocation? When did you order?
@@kerosenefilms Hi - Jan 2022 I got in the queue for a Cayman 4.0 then switched to the queue for the T December last year. I guess 18 months in all.
@@simono6520 Congrats! Enjoy!
Thanks Simon. Agreed, cars are just getting too big now. Congrats on the incoming 992T, wishing you many fun miles ahead.
Ts should follow the tradition, there not many builts assigned (limited) , should be manual, bucket seats and no choice of roof other than standard.
I've got a 992 T in manual. As you say there was no issue with supply but I think dealers are nervous of speccing manual cars for the showroom so early cars arriving in showrooms are pdk. The car is a joy with the stick. If you're at the Cobham monthly evening in July say hello. Maybe Porsche GB will have a manual car for you to try?
No issues with Supply! How long did you have to wait for the car in total?
@@bernardwarr4187 I meant no issues in getting a manual. Put my deposit down 18 months ago so I understand what you're getting at! Same with most Porsche models. However lack of supply means once you get a car it holds its value incredibly well.
@@gsproperty8798 yes, agree and understand, was thinking might be up to 2 years. Enjoy it, is a great thing
@@bernardwarr4187 Thanks. Just finished running it in so looking forward to pushing it a bit more
@@gsproperty8798 engaging drive, enjoy
Great video Lee , you have made me want to take it out for a drive this evening.!
I highly appreciate your generosity in offering the car for a drive, Ian. Thank you sincerely mate.
Seen a couple now. Every one was loaded with options - including sunroof ! And it's sooooo BIG.
Great review. Totally agree on the sports suspension. Had a 992 GTS - sold it after 6 weeks as the ride is too choppy over bumpy b roads in the UK. The damping isn’t good enough when compared with the GT products. My 991.2 GTS was a far superior car suspension set up wise. Very disappointing and poor from Porsche - agree with the need for a C16 setup. Finally seeing reviews showing this problem now with you and Joe Achilles saying the same thing.
Thanks Jeremy, I'm glad my points have resonated. I agree, the 991.2 seems to be better damped, generally, for UK roads.
Lots of people not liking the gts suspension.
@@9WERKSTV My 992 T is better damped than my previous T. A few people have said it takes 3k of miles for the suspension to settle down and also tyre brands can make a difference. Mines on Goodyears.
Important note: The manual weighs 80 pounds less than the PDK. Also, the 4-way adjustable seats weigh 35 pounds less than the 18-ways.
35 pounds less cumulative? Or each?
@@helmetculture Cumulative. But consider this: 80 pounds of the claimed 100 pounds of weight savings comes from the manual vs PDK transmission. So everything else done (removal of back seat, less sound deadening material, smaller battery, thinner glass) is only 20 pounds total. So, 35 pounds savings is very significant in the world of this 911. I also opted for no rear wheel steer to save weight. Interestingly, the new S/T was spec'ed the same for the same reason. I went with the CF roof too, again to maximize weight savings. It all adds up. And worthy to note: The 4-way semi-manual seats are amazing - same shape as the 18 ways. 👍
@@nvanpraag thanks for the note mate!
Would you ever look at swapping the 4 ways for buckets?
Reason I'm interested. Trying to spec a 992 not based on price but based on the lightest possible spec sheet.
Things like leather vs plastic? Sport chrono delete and headlight options. Would white paint even be lighter than black or guards? The dealers seem to only know what each option costs but not costs in weight
Very interesting stuff. A manual it would have for sure
@@helmetculture If weight savings is your objective and you're not as sensitive to cost I would go with the CF buckets. Those were not available in the states when I ordered the T but I would have passed because of cost and the fact I will only be using the car on the street (read: comfort). I have worked with Audi for many years, been to the Porsche factory (as well as Audi), and studied the Porsche assembly process and what I have learned all of the colors are executed in the same process, hence would weigh the same. Across model lines sometimes there's a difference (for example, an RS5 has more paint than an A3) but for 911's it should all be pretty much the same. And yes, the dealers don't know much. I found a service tech that was a 911 "Weight Weenie" and had spec'd a 991 to be as light as possible, so he was the one I learned the most from. The salesperson knew far less than I did.
@@helmetculture Also note, I went with the Carrera Exclusive wheels as they were the only forged option of the three available for the T at the time. If you really want to save weight, however, an aftermarket race wheel like a forged HRE will be far lighter than any optional Porsche wheel (in the non-GT cars).
Great review!
Thanks!
Excellent content, once more! Can't wait for a manual version review!
It’s sacrilege but I like the black on this…
Hi Lee - love the channel - love the vids - I would be delighted if you kept at least one hand on the steering wheel at all tlmes…. I wince when you double wave your hands mate.
Great video lee the 991.T has always had my interest and I'm struggling to like the 992 as a whole although the GT cars are very special... especially the GT3RS which I have now seen in the flesh anf was blown away.
Great review. Seats are sport-tex, race-tex is the alcantara like material
Thank you for pointing that out!
Great review - is that a 964 pulling up around 2:55?
Good spot, it is indeed! Porsche utopia…!
I have a 2023 992 T manual and no RAS. What do you think of the tune to 460 NM and 445hp or just leave it?
So, by “playful” do you mean more or less compliant that the base? The roads are terrible where I live.
The base Carrera without its Sports chassis will be more compliant at sensible speeds on terrible UK roads, according to my experiences.
The weight saving depends on whether you've had lunch or a big dump. Put in a fat passenger and all weight advantage is lost.
Hahahaha
Nice Review!
Thanks!
PDK has no LSD on the carrera T which is messed up
Good review, well paced!
Thank you!
All the thinner glass does is let more of the tyre roar in 😂 911 tyre sizes have become truly ridiculous. The amount of punctures must be insane (it was bad enough with 997 sized tyres)
A very desirable car which I would choose with the manual gearbox (and the nose lift). 😎
Can you get a moon roof?
So much jealousy! First - the 992 911 is without any doubt the best 911 ever built. I had a Gt4 2022- and I traded it in on a 911T. Why? The gt 4 has an annoying loud groaning exhaust sound- and the 718 is simply too small inside and the entire dashboard and electronics are ten years out of date. A new 718 of any model - has a CD player still for God’s sake! The 911 k992 has a wonderful exhaust sound and lots of pops and baubles in sport mode. Sophisticated and performance oriented. It is not massive - smaller than almost every other sports car from Europe. Have you driven a new c8 even? I am 6’ 2” and I can push the drivers seat back such that I cannot touch the pedals with my toes!
The 911 is still the top of the line - and the 718 models are the cheaper choice and outdated. If you have to be in sport to get the better pops and crackles. The electronics tech is state of the art- just say “hey porsche” and tell her what you need.
With really over 400 hp - it has more hp than 95% of all Porsche sports cars from the 991 back in time.
I also own a 2022 Boxster GTS - a beautiful car also - but it is not a 911 -
Lee is this regular black or the metallic? Thanks! This looks wonderful.
Metallic black, Andrew.
@@9WERKSTV thank you looks stunning. I might go for the same!
What Will be your choice 991.1 gt3 or carrera t 992?
Hey Lee. Really interesting to hear your take on 991.2 T vs 992 T and where you feel 992 T fits in the 992 range. Do you have a second to clarify about final drives? Do all T's have LSD/PTV? Do manuals have mechanical LSD and PDKs have electronically activated clutch differential = PTV? And in 991.2 T do both manual and pdk have higher ratio rear ends? Sorry, probably too many questions.
Hey Omar! All modern manual 911s have a mechanical LSD, whereas PDK is electronically operated PTV, I hope that helps on the diffs!
@9WERKSTV Wow I really had no idea that all manuals had mech lsd. I'll keep planning my dream car.
UK ...is becoming all automatic because of our roads and traffic 😢 your answer to Porsche is spot on Europes roads are so much better UK is doomed 😢
You'd think Porsche would turn the wick up a notch to just over 400bhp on the T model just to give it some daylight above the standard Carrera🤔🤔
I think that's missing the point, Paul. The T is about adding driver focus to the base package, rather than power.
@@9WERKSTV I know but it would still be welcome to have a tad more power to work the chassis that bit harder.....
Even better would be the S brakes
PASM -10 should be an option in the UK.
The 991/992 do seem like large cars now. I don't think I'd ever want one for that reason.
Nice video. I still think the T is a huge marketing con by Porsche however at least you’ve got the correct gearbox Lee 😉
ps GTS is the Carrera sweet spot.
Totally agree with the T con job !
Let’s take a gorgeous C2, put some of the worst graphics you can find and stick them on the sides…….find some 4-way seats and gut the centers with some goofy material out of a KIA.
Trash what was a nice rear storage / small seat area…..and offer a manual that slows down the excellent performance of the 385 hp.
I don’t get it……and NEVER WOULD !!!
Spoken like someone who's never driven one!
@@MrSchn3ll Spot on……and with a C2, don’t have to…!!
@@MrSchn3ll ps ( to my previous reply ) is it safe to assume you own neither !?
@@MrSchn3ll Spot on ! I don’t have to……my C2 is absolutely gorgeous without the Hot Wheels stickers.
And you drive a ???
Never seen a modern 911 being ragged..always driven by the golden oldies posing. Think that's what puts me off the brand even if i had the money..what's the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? 😂😂
All that money, all the talk. For what? Less...Ferrari etc, all manufacturers do it!🤣
Literally no idea what you're on about.
What a drag being in a country where a car like that must be driven from the wrong side 🤮
What a bizarre comment.
The uk you isn’t the only country where roads are trash. and also forcing the bigger wheels is annoying, black base wheels would be nice
Well, I don't really feel like watching the talking head. Where is the overview of the road while driving.. Do not think 50k is achievable, really.
The 992 series is not loved - why? bigger, heavier, generic, german taxi cab interior and unless it has rear axle steering, poor handling.
Tell me you’ve never driven one without telling me. Idiot.
New and overpriced