Chevy SCREWED me on this used $1500 EV!
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I dig this "documentary" style take, Jake. I feel like it's a winning formula for your channel.
The nightmare that is how easily a module can be ruined without a secret sequence of connection is insanity. I have a BMW i3 and if you simply disconnect the 12v battery without disabling the HV loop first, you risk frying a several thousand dollar module that's also software locked down. No warning stickers, no failsafe in the design, simply changing the 12v like you would in a normal vehicle puts you at risk for a huge loss.
I saw a post on just rolled into the shop of a newer RAM that requires the headliner to be plugged in in order for the car to turn over. Absolutely dumb how some of these modules can easily be fried or just cause pain in diagnosis.
>have a BMW i3 and if you simply disconnect the 12v battery without disabling the HV loop first, you risk frying a several thousand dollar module
That's a German engineering fault more than an EV one
@@zaremol2779 technology integration in cars does not depend on what drives it. the average consumer wants all these useless features that eventually cost them thousands.
Man, what a bummer. Was hoping you'd be able to pull an Aging Wheels and individually charge the packs and bring it back to life, but obviously that's a no go without a working BMS. Swing and a miss.
Aging Wheels was also hoping I could pull an Aging Wheels.
All the batteries are fully charged 🥲 the car just hates us
@@100PercentJakemaybe you could swap in some battery cells from a model 3? Idk, just spitballing
Old EVs are junk now just part them out. Easy to work on but expensive to fix.
@moeheil8839 better off pulling another Aging Wheels and just swap like he's doing w his ford Explorer bc teslas batteries switched to 5 piece or something instead of like a 16 piece battery so it's be rough fitting some in the spark I'd bet 😬😂
I live in a place where cars don't rust, and I see all kinds of ancient relics on the road that are several times older than that Spark EV. Yet, we can still get parts for them. The way cars are made today makes them disposable, and that's a shame. We live in a time of resource depletion, and keeping a car on the road for as long as possible is the best use of our resources.
Remember the phrase, "reduce, reuse, recycle?" That was meant to be in order. We're just skipping straight to "recycle" these days.
Nope that's bad for business need to lease a new car every 3 to 5 years
Have you tried to buy parts for an older Lexus lately?
@100PercentJake Isn't that normal though? Most auto parts stores only carry parts until a vehicle is 20 years old or it was made in the millions
@@100PercentJake ~~ No.
But, I was sad while watching the Car Care Nut, when he announced that he bought what's possibly the last new OEM LS430 drive shaft in the world.
Parts for my '06 Taurus are starting to dry up, and they're starting to hit the wrecking yards in great quantities in my area of the world. I've actually bought some parts before they need to be replaced, because they were getting more scarce.
edit to add: I can still get most of the parts I need for the Taurus locally, or delivered to my door. The OEM new parts are getting more scarce, but the aftermarket is still well-stocked.
@@genericsomething it's 20 years old it's aging out they are no longer street traffic minor accidents or the transmissions dying is getting rid of early 2000's cars the average car in the US is 12 or 13 years old so early 2010's stuff
Never let a brake caliper hang by the hose. It can and usually does lead to a failure of the brake hose.
Jr works on cars? Wild. Lol can't wait for him to finish his house.
Back to cars soon… I gotta get moved in!
There's a possibility the BECM in the Gen 1 Chevy Volt is compatible if you're struggling to source parts. All the guts from the high voltage modules in the Volt went into the Spark EV save for the generator.
The second possibility is that the BECM is completely fine and you're dealing with a problematic HPCM2 under the driver's seat. They have failed and been replaced in many instances. Surprised you didn't start there, or maybe I missed something with the reset you mentioned.
Update Someone on the Chevy Spark EV forums just yesterday fixed a bricked battery with a "low voltage" error. The HPCM2 was reprogrammed and the car was able to charge and balance!
In your case, it's likely that the BECM was just fine, just doing its job reporting cell imbalance and low voltage.
A 100% Jake video in the same week as an Elliot Alvis video? Wow, this is a week for content! It's too bad "little" car has become such a dirty word to US car makers.
You need to do car history videos. Perfect voice and presentation style for it.
Someone on the Chevy Spark EV forums just yesterday fixed a bricked battery with a "low voltage" error. The HPCM2 was reprogrammed and the car was able to charge and balance!
In your case, it's likely that the BECM was fine, just doing its job reporting cell imbalance and low voltage. If you still have the car, you must consider reprogramming the HPCM2 or replacing it. It's under the driver's seat.
The interior of the Sonic hatch is also surprisingly large.
1:27 haven't seen a Celica GT-S like that in a while either...
watch more scotty kilmer
The last one with pop-up headlights!
I went from Chevy to Honda for daily cars and can’t be happier
Bought at an auction in the inoperative section
GM didn't screw you, you screwed yourself, you didn't follow procedure
Typical EV guys, always trying to push the blame for their mistakes onto someone else
Lie the guy who tried to blame the gas station for him putting gas in his diesel truck because the gas nozzle was next to the diesel nozzle
You should have sent the original BMS out to get it cloned. Then you wouldn’t have to to deal with GM.
Also, I didn’t hear/see you checking the modules for issues.
Another point is the battery module balancing in many EVs is made by resistors in the BMS during discharge. The aim is to keep the modules voltages as close as possible to each other. In case of big imbalance between the modules the BMS would throw an error. If it isn't well designed, it can also burn out from those resistors being overutilized.
Great to see your video today. What do you think of the Chevy Bolt? I see Hertz selling year old Bolts under $20K.
I personally think they're ugly as sin, but they're decent city cars. The slow charging speeds mean that road trips are kind of a nonstarter. Unfortunate, because the range is decent. My recommendation for used EVs right now is probably the Mach E. I've seen several in the low $20k range and several of my friends are very happy with their CPO ones.
Hertz is selling 2 year old Model 3s for $20-30k. If you can get one under $25, there's a $4k EV tax credit.
Don't buy them or ANY used car from a rental company. A very moronic thing to due coming from a mechanic I've worked on many of them and they always come back again and again till either almost everything has been replaced or the owners get fed up and sell it.
@@Unknown_Ooh it is " do" not "due".
Well that sucks! You couldn't pick Rich's brain on it or anything? I mean, that is his wheelhouse.
Subscription for anything to facilitate repairs needs to be illegal!
Jake, that was a very good video, thanks for sharing. 👍
I got electric s 10 by house it's owned by questionable garage on UA-cam it's in a co op car museum
"Chevy Spark" is such a great EV name that it took me a few weeks to realize that the ones I was seeing "in the wild" were actually just the ICE versions.
I'd vote for Jake.
Why don't you try sending the BCM to a module rebuilder? Any good electronics tech should be able to fix the module so long as it's not a proprietary chip that's bad.
You should try driving a 1996 Geo Metro/Solectria Force. (I love mine, thanks JR).
EV and screwed just go together...
I would really be interested in seeing if you can fix the bcm. It's likely just some diode stacks or 0 ohm registers that popped if they are that fragile.
Great video. So both the Spark and the Bolt had common "bad battery" issues? It's almost like traditional car companies want the public to see EVs as risky despite being extremely simple and reliable.
Great video, Jake. The only experience I have had with the Spark EV was second hand. A generator operator I worked with had one. Someone else on the production had that odd looking BMW EV. We were on the crew of a film set a good ways out of town. Both cars needed to be hooked up to the generator to charge for the 14 or so hour day or else they would not have made it home. There were some locations neither could be used as the distance to travel was greater than the range of the car. The two owners found out the hard way that run flat tires are a very bad idea. On the way in the two cars hit road debris causing a tire to lose pressure. Being unrepairable run flat tires, both had to buy new tires before they could go home, as home was considerably more than 50 miles. Very inconvenient.
Isn't the whole point of run flats is they can't lose pressure so you can drive to go get them fixed ? 😂
@@Unknown_Ooh no, they have a foam donut that is bolted around the rim inside the tire that you ride on when the tire looses pressure, the downside is you destroy the tire. the up side is you can drive alittle further after you blow the tire out. Runflats exist so that car companies do not have to put a spare tire in the car, saving weight/money/space. although one could argue the weight is put right back in when they add the runflat donuts to each tire. on a regular tire if you stop immediately after you get a blow out, there is a high chance that you can save the tire and have it repaired for very cheap. the longer you run on a depressurized tire the more you damage it and make it unsafe to be repaired/driven on again.
As an owner of a 2016 Spark EV, this is informative. I knew a bit of it from an automotive teardown, but this helpful for the future.
Weaponized incompetence 😂😂I’m going to be throwing that around on X
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@@GAMINGOBRIEN69 Xitter, the X makes the 'sh' sound...
@@AndrewAMartin bruh
to me what you DID WORNGFUL WAS HOOKING UP BATTERY CHARGER AND OVER CHARGE ECM which you fryed it up twice man
never charge 12v hook up to car you have disconnted it first them charge battery otherwise you fryed up both ecm and bcm
i have learned this from few ev worker i didnt know until i spot it on test them alot of people forgotten about it them GM ditched this project and put anti repair in system which locked you out cant do anything to it until you find code to hack ecm to read bcm but you cant because ecm is only problem throwing you into loophole and keeping anyone from not fixing it at all
if i were go there i would have helped you fix it get it bypassed but sadly you went on get rid of it
one thing i wanted to say dont BUY GM THING otherwise you going have nightmare
I have a Spark but it is the earlier M200 model. I didn't realise Daewoo made an EV version, not that I would want one! For a cheap car my 2008 Spark has been incredibly reliable, which is why I have had it for 12 years.
Your history left out the 2010-2019 Volt. EV with a small battery (since they were VERY expensive still back then) and an engine to provide electricity when the battery died. A hybrid but not a Hybrid.
Did Chevy screw you, the guy who improperly installed the module or the software you relied on for the incorrect installation instructions? Also, this is not a right to repair issue. You were attempting to download GM's latest software and calibrations for your module. Did you really expect to be able to do that for free?
needs an ls swap
Nooooo! You gotta try fixing it! Find the secret and tell the world (of Sparks). It was made in South Korea. Battery in Michigan. Motor & drive unit in Baltimore. There’s a Spark EV guru out there somewhere. Rich Rebuilds?
The BECM is a black box that only LGChem knows the secrets of. Due to supply shortages no more of them exist currently
@@100PercentJake Does the Car Wizard know of anyone who can fix the box? He seems to be sending modules of all sorts off for repair.
Needing cars or scan tools to phone home for repairs is BS. Cars should be required to come with a key-card that contains all of the security certificates necessary to de-program/key scavenged modules using the donor car's card data and re-program/key them to the new car using the new car's card. That would take care of all of the anti-theft, anti-hack concerns used to justify having to phone home. No key cards to prove ownership and supply codes, no aftermarket re-programming.
This is one of those cases where technically everything "works", but it doesn't. Like, the parts are all functional - they just don't want to talk nicely to each other!
Wonder how hard it'd be to sniff the bus of a working car, find the right "I'm a BMS, and I'm working" packet. Then inject it onto the bus with an arduino each time you powered up your car. Or since it's been 3 weeks... what 'was' your car. And is now a bunch of parts. ;)
Replace the BMS with a generic BMS :)
Sad to witness more evidence of GM's screw-the-consumer dark side. Sorry you couldn't make it go. Good luck recouping cost.
Vote for Jake ! At least he's not the other guy.
You win my vote right there because; at least, you're being honest with us.
sounds like BMW where the battery type and CCA and reserve all have to be programmed or the new battery has to match the OE battery specs.
It's a bummer that you could't get it going. I recently bought a Smart electric that stopped charging. The Mercedes dealer diagnosed it as needing about $8k of repairs, a new charger and the charger wiring harness, so he sold it cheap. I'd never worked on an electric, but wanted to give it a try. I fixed it for $8, I could have done it for free, but I decided to splurge on a nicer repair. I love that car.
I know this is super random but I remember a vid you posted long ago where you talked about your home NAS, can't remember what vid it was to watch it back though. what software are you running on that? i remember it being some sort of free linux distro, thanks.
Show to me the real evidence the BMS was bad? You just guessing and made swapnostics. Educate yourself bit!
I was very surprised to see my old stomping ground - the town of Reading UK 1:11 in a Jake video (I expect that on Autoalex Cars channel ). I was not surprised to see the bad traffic on the map!
Swindon to London on the M4 corridor - not gonna be fun!! A40, M40, A420 (yes, that's a real road) would be my route. Kinda sucks near Oxford but avoids Reading entirely. Which, having lived there, I can say would be a good thing. That extra 8 miles being the issue here obviously!
Yes, I did put that route in reverse - my bad! Always thinking about driving towards Oxfordshire / Berkshire / Buckinghamshire area - not back into "that London"! :)
I think it is highly unlikely that your sequence of assembly is the problem. When you replace a part and it does not fix the problem, it was almost always not the problem.
What does it cost for an entire spark ev pack replacement? Throw this part at the problem and see if it fixes it. If nothing else, now you have doubled the battery capacity.
With the pack out, I would have checked the voltages on all those modules and see what the reality was on them, and if low try to recharge them manually to get them into spec.
Can you pop open the bms and check the components. Maybe send it out to an electric repair shop that can do component level repair
Corporate containment of expenses
What drew my attention was the fact that someone thought they get a GOOD car ,from a DEALER, for $1,500 .
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What did op expect for $1500. i wouldn't mind one though
Anyone that buys a gm product is just nuts
Anything electronic can be repaired, fix the issue, don't just change it.
Isn't "cramming a lot of space" into something more or less an oxymoron?
quick question did you ever do an update/review on your ATOTO? I'm thinking about buying one 🤔
GM doing GM things.
thanks for the history and dokumentary of electric cars.
My EV-1 with lead acid batteries had better range than this car !!
You may need to reset the module to a clean state before trying to code it. The autel may be able to talk directly to the module via a few flying leads over can. Someone who knows more than me could probably just clone the eeprom from the old module.
Could the new BECM be bad? Could it be something as simple as a fuse? Please tell me you checked all the fuses? You should’ve check and made sure the connectors had power. Janky little 12v battery? Oh so many things could be the issues. If the 12v battery was completely dead some features and and system shut down, or simply make know by codes. You know when you swap battery some cars need a BMS reset… could it be that? You have the codes and you should be able to see when the codes were recorded, that might help eliminate. Also if you FRIED the module would there be a Circuit open code?? Maybe see if it’s even recognizing the BECM by leaving it out. I know some establishment disconnect the power reduce the risk of fire. What if you just discharge the battery completely? I swear it’s probably something so simple that you’ve overlooked. 😕
I'm going to tentatively rule out fuses.
Bad fuse = module that doesn't communicate.
They're getting error messages from the modules.
Luckily I leased five of my six EV's. Gives you an excape route. My owned smart just keeps going but lately just dies while driving. So 6 outta 6 EV failures. 3 leafs, 1 volt, 1 fiat, and now I'm worried about my smart.
Damn. Maybe you should just get a Tesla?
meanwhile if you do this with a leaf you dont need to do anything
Welcome to the future of cars and tech in general if you can't fix it you don't own it
Maybe you can swap out some chips in the module?
Ha ha ha john ross roped you into helping with that stupid heavy piano lol lol
Assuming you asked electrified garage?
Great to see a new Jake video. Bummer about the car. You have a great voice for radio or videos.
Sorry I'm comment bombing your thing but in order for me to reflash my ECM instead of actually using the flash feature I had to do it's something like there's a button that says full like identify or something and then in the identifying all the modules it then started reflashing everything it was really weird
Wow that’s good energy drink 😂
Amazing under 10 yrs old and it junk ....that's why i'd never buy a full out EV
Mine still works great. It's around 80k miles.
It still gets 85+ miles per charge in the summer.
Only about 65 in the winter (SF bay area).
Temperature makes a big difference.
Best working energy drinks EVER!
I like how the battery pack isn't full of glue like the Cybertruck and Chinese EV's !!!
Sucks about the BMS ☹️
It's not glue, it's fire retardant foam.
@@Neojhun It's horrid sticky gunk used as cheap insulation. It makes the recycling process 1000x times harder...
I had a very similar problem man it was happened I don't know if it was caused by trying to fast charge several times and it failing and then disconnecting and reconnecting another 12 volts that was fresh however I did not use a pre-charge resistor and I ended up frying the ECM. So I went to Rockville Auto after doing lots so I went to Rock auto and got a new ECM for 240$. And it's very similar to all the issues you're having here I ended up towing the car to Chevy after spending months trying to figure it out with tech line connect and they said they cannot connect to the ECM that was good enough for me to buy one I replaced it with the tech line connect software and boom was able to start up the car and it worked fine after that. I don't think it's smart to keep throwing money at it trying to figure it out but that was a thing that I had as a problem and hpcm module saying things are bad and the radio having like the wrong temperature going from freezing to 100 and something degrees that it was anyway yeah good luck man I'm only halfway through your video right now
Hybrid system low voltage likely means that some of the cells in the battery are actually too low for to operate.
you screwed yourself.
Yeah, no thank you.
400 lb-ft? Wow! The Volt (2g) was very peppy at a light and it only had 290!
During that era, this was a high torque but low rpm motor. Most of that torque or output was limited, but one person removed it somehow and peeled out continuously around a curve.
The newer motor in the Bolt doesn't have as much torque but it's superior in just about every way. Even the 2nd gen Niro EV they lowered the torque because it's a very jerky feeling, but it is the same 0-60.
@@sprockkets Yeah, The Bolt isnt quite the rocket from stoplights that the Volt was, but its much more practical overtaking on a 2-lane highway.
Car Wizard was right about 100percent Jake
👍,Car Wizard
WHIP SMART, 100percent Jake
👍 and enjoy your evening with all your family around you, WHIP SMART, 100percent Jake
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 20:29PM Good Evening, take care
Hit up rich rebuilds
Is it ironic that Toyota EV Prius battery is much more replaceable? Seems to me that Chevy doesn't like small cars. I had to replace a headlight socket on an Aveo. Why did this part melt?
Does anyone remember GM saying this had more torque than a Ferrari 458? Apparently it's *two* more lb/ft! LOL Cool little car, shame you couldn't get it running.
I want it!
It's been a while.
A123 battery was based in Ann Arbor MI
And that battery was LFP. They still had terrible degradation though.
Bummer
You need to get yourself one of those April Roses to cancel out those bad days. You see first hand how it works for Hoovie.
Hard lesson to learn! DON'T buy a GM product PERIOD!!
dang. was really rootin for this one. Legit made a cool video at least.
PS Grimes, if you see this. nice truck!!
Oooh, Jake released two videos fairly close to themselves! Hoovey must be on vacation or something.
"energy proboscis". From now on, I shall refer to a car's exhaust as its "emissions proboscis".
Thanks for the warning about how fussy the sequence is. Will bear that in mind.
So, how do I change the Dexcool? I'm at 96k on my 2015 Spark EV.
Swap the electric motor for a 20 horse v-twin from harbour freight and you're good to go.
I don’t really care for EV’s but, I did enjoy your video and content.
The radio display malfunctions when they get lots of sun on them.
Bummer you were not able to fix the "NO SPARK" Spark
13:30 Somebody drew a "UA-cam buddy" on top of the pack!
Holy crap I haven't seen JR work on a car in MONTHS
Damn that sucks. Compliance cars are cheap for a reason.
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