Why Hans From Frozen is a Badly Written Villain
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- My two cents on why I think the so called villain from Disney's Frozen is a badly written villain.
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Han’s reveal was so off putting that it feels like the idea of him being the bad guy was thrown in at the last minute. One of the worst Twist Villains ever
It was, initially Elsa was the villian(as in the original tale), she was straight up evil in the first version of the movie but after they recorded let it go they felt that the song was very empowering in a way and so decided to NOT make Elsa the villain.
@@K_saha I am aware of the changed they made to Elsa. I just don’t understand why they decided to make Hans a villain out of nowhere. Some could say that the writers probably just wanted to still have a villain in the film. But it already had one. The Duke of Wealselton. He literally sent 2 men to go kill Elsa and would’ve successfully done so if HANS DIDN’T STOP THEM
@@superjackster0165 I think they chose to make Hans a villain to subvert common tropes and generic stereotypes but the execution was done poorly. A villain is great when it can pose a threat to the heroes, Hans can barely pose a threat to the heroes. A villain that can't pose a threat to the heroes is a terrible mess.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 All the while making the worst Disney villain ever
I quite agree. That's one of the three or four story problems I noticed when I very first saw this movie.
Hans kisses Anna, but nothing happens
Anna:"Why didn't it work? That should have worked."
Hans:"...Anna, I need to tell you, I am so fond you, you've been amazing, but we just meet, and I didn't have the best intentions coming here but you're so kind and amazing but I don't think I'm ready for a relationship, but if it's for your life I will do anything I can to help you."
Anna:"You don't... love me?"
Hans:"... Not in the way you want me to, not enough to save you, but maybe there's another way?"
WHY DIDN'T THEY GO THAT ROUTE?!
so much better
Hans' speech could be tweaked a bit, but other than that? PERFECT
If they wanted to subvert tropes/expectations about love at first sight and stuff, this would've been so much better.
Him denying her a kiss was much better.
....PERFECT!!
Anna: "Oh Hans, if only there was someone out there who gave YOU a better character writing."
Hans: "What?"
Jokes aside, Hans deserved a better writing.
Hans: The other sister can break the fourth wall!?
As a kid when I first watched this movie, I didn't understand why Hans just out of nowhere betrayed Anna, it was just random for me
Yeah, Mom, if even a kid finds something like that random, it says a lot, doesn't it?
At least King Candy, Ernesto, and maybe Bellwether had foreshadowing, and/or villian reveals made sense.
Hans had no foreshadowing and or build up ever!
I agree that there should be given a balance of screen time and character development for a villain, just like the creators did got their heroes. What's the point of giving your story a villian of you are not going to give him/her any character development (or if s/he is going to have a villian reveal: foreshadowing?)?
King candy isn't even a twist villian. His identity of secretly being turbo is the twist.
Farah Ahmad Han’s reveal was so off putting that it feels like the idea of him being the bad guy was thrown in at the last minute. One of the worst Twist Villains ever
The only good Disney twist villains in my opinion are.
1) Lotso.
2) King Candy
3) Commander Rourke
4) Buddy Pine
5) Ernesto de la Cruz
6) Charles F. Muntz
7) Stenke Pete
8) Mr. Waternoose.
for the record, the ONLY foreshadowing we got was hans wasn’t REALLY trying to save elsa. if you look closely he glances up at the chandelier and sees that if he aims at that instead so it would fall and kill her. he has smarts, he’s a quick thinker. “how can i kill her while making it look like i’m trying to save her?” it’s the only semi-decent part of his character that had the tiniest bit of foreshadowing. but again, you have to look really closely to notice. so i wouldn’t call it a “good” foreshadow. but it is there
He also says ive spent all my life to find my own place
Wouldn't call that foreshadowing more like a neat detail you notice on rewatch
I have issue with Hans too, the plot twist was terrible and undeserved. I personally think that he let her alive because he wanted her to fix the Eternal Winter, seeing that she couldn't, he decided to finish her off. Of course, there's tons of problems with this too.
Then why didn't he just kill her when she said she couldn't end it? It was a perfect opportunity and no one could have stopped him!
Hans is the worst Disney villain period. Hell, Bellwether left more of an impression than him.
David Stone Han’s reveal was so off putting that it feels like the idea of him being the bad guy was thrown in at the last minute. One of the worst Twist Villains ever
@@superjackster0165 a supposed Pixar employee said it was John lasseter's idea to hide his villainy till the last act. My whole issue is how sloppy and tropey of a villian he became after the reveal. They could have still made him a villian but the cheap tricks like the boat smile and then the transformation into such a terrible villain is what spoilt it for me. The whole thing just felt like cheap bad writing.
Bellwether was an excellent villain. Her arc was solid. When I think of badly written villains Maleficient from 1959 comes to my mind. She is basicly bad coz she is furious and looks quirky. We and we do not even know story of her conflict with royal family so we do not know whom to cheer up (Maleficient was a good rework all questions explained). But least she acts consistent to her arch unlike Hans.
@@superjackster0165 I'd say it's like M. Night Shyamalan wrote the twist, but even Shyamalan would shake his head at this.
That title has been surpassed by King Not Magnificent.
King Magnifico is Disneys worst villain 🏆🔥🎇🦹♂️😥😭🤔🤫🗿
Well, in the early drafts Hans was not the villain and was indeed an ordinary prince charming, and it was Elsa that played the role of the antagonist instead and was evil like in the original Hans Christian Andersen fable. She was even inteded to be darker than her literary counterpart. However when “Let It Go” song was written it was a song that didn't fit her villanous nature but the filmakers found it so impactful they didn't want to delete it so they decided to change Elsa into an anti-hero. Then decided to make Hans a villain to subvert tired tropes and generic stereotypes. They wanted to make Hans an original villain but failed as the twist was poorly executed. Also Disney doesn't know to make a great twist villain properly. If you want to craft a great twist villain then follow these rules:
1) make him fool the characters not only the audience
2) do the reveal before the third act
3) try a variation on the trope
4) make his motivations make sense
5) make the reveal terrifying or heartbreaking
6) don't make them obvious
So True Also Love Your Name lol :)
Actually in the original version hans was admirable westergaard
Like Prof. Callaghan from big hero 6?
@@dentangaji6161 what do you mean by That?
Exept the second point, king candy fit the rest. And i dont think is a bad thing the reveal happen during the third act
I mean, I do like the concept of "the nice guy being the villain" since, that is a good message to teach people, especially young girls. But the execution could've been handled much better. As you pointed out, in the scene where he smiles as Anna walks away from her at the pier, *how was I supposed to know that was a clue?*
Though, I will say when Hans shoots the chandelier, that was a good clue. Implying that he wasn't saving Elsa but trying to impale her. And the idea of him being 13th in line for his own homeland throne would make sense.
To me honestly, Hans makes 50% sense as a villain. But honestly. Hans and Anna's relationship felt more real, than Anna and Kristoff. All they did was mildly argue and their relationship was way too forced and quick. The Duke of Weaselton should've been the main villain.
And sadly, he makes more sense as a villain than Callaghan in Big Hero 6 did,
The chandeliers scene can't be used as foreshadow.
Either Hans wanted Elsa alive in hopes she lifted the curse, so he tries to save her.
Or, Hans wants her dead and so letting her have a tragic end at the hands of a desperate soldier is the best course of action.
It can't be both.
Challagan felt a more consistent threat at least.
Yeah, he would have had more point in being there then. It feels like he was shoehorned in just so the creators could get their money's worth out of Alan Tudyk's pay check.
The “Twist Villain” reveal 15 minutes before the end may work in a 30-minute tv episode. In a 90-minute movie you are way past the ideal reveal point. The twist should come between 1/2 to 1/3 remaining. Imagine, for instance, we see Hans actually taking the shot at Elsa in the Ice castle and someone distrusts his shot. Now we have a different situation moving forward. We know now that he’s a fairly sketchy guy. His turning on Anna now has its setup.
King candy reveal would be worst if it happen early. I dont think is a golden rule
Hans was Sweet
I think it would have made more sense to have the duke of weselton to be the villain
Agreed. Then he would have had a point in being there.
@@artbytesia and Hans would not have a point
@@johnfay6748 The Duke, not Hans.
@@artbytesia I know the duke I was just saying that Hans would not have a point
@@johnfay6748 Oh, sorry.
It's almost like they should've picked one or the other. Disney, don't put in characters just because you WANT to have them, make them have a purpose. You of all companies should know that! As it stands, the Duke only exists so Disney could squeeze their money's worth out of Alan Tudyk's pay check!
It’s so sad if you ask me. Cuz pre villain Hans seemed to be a very good guy who genuinely cared about Anna and keeping Arendelle safe while she was gone. Dare I say it, he and Anna had way more better chemistry than Anna did with Kristoff. But no. Disney had to change things up to not make Elsa the antagonist and make some dumb subversion. Way to ruin a character
Prince Hans is one of the most poorly written villains I’ve ever seen. Well, I mean, not the worst. At least his motivations kind of make sense if you get rid of some of his movements or facial expressions. Another thing that is ok at least is that it can teach children to not immediately fall for someone you just met for reason. But the issues are not his motivations, he’s revealed at the last minute instead of the middle, and another issue is that the movie doesn’t give us enough time to even know him more. Scar, to me, will always be the best Disney villain of all time instead of the ones from the previous decade. Pixar will always know how to write proper twist villains like Stinky Pete, Mr. Waternoose, or Syndrome.
His motivations make no sense if you take him at his word. Killing Elsa might move his children with Elsa up in the succession but killing Anna does nothing for him. Being married to the queen means you're married to the queen, it doesn't make you king. No, not even if they die. If they die you're the former Prince Consort. At best you're the sovereign's dad.
King candy is not forgottable in my opinion. I think his short amount of screen still leaves an impression atleast it did on me.
I think I remember concept art that indicated Elsa was supposed to be the villain but then some sort of story change happened.
I blaim rushed rewrites or scrambling to come up with some other character's reasoning for being evil for how awkward hans reveal was
I partly blame Let It Go. That song is what led to the whole movie being rewritten!
I feel like turbo’s villain reveal etc. was definitely used in the right sense but yeah Hans literally never expressed intent to harm Anna, Elsa maybe a little bit but bro’s whole character just seemed like an after thought
Hans didn't have to be the villain. Here's what I believe they should have done. Hans meet Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. They don't have to have an instant romance but a friendship. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away with Hana looking for her under separate terms from Anna while Weaselton takes over the throne. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where Hans runs for Elsa and Kristoff for Anna, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
I love this idea, but people would be pissed that they were both given love interests since many people love Frozen for it's shallow message of feminism and assume women with no man=independent woman
The Mirror Theory makes more sense.
Hans substitutes for the Mirror in the original story. He reflects back everyone's emotions until the scene with dying Anna where he looks into his own reflection in a glass window and reflects his true self.
Also had he killed Elsa or failed to prevent her death at the Castle Anna never would have forgiven him. So he had to keep Elsa alive at that point. It was only when it appeared Anna was going to die and he could claim he married her that he believed he had a clear enough claim to the throne to kill Elsa.
Still is dumb, no reason to reveal his plan or stop acting, kiss anna, if that saves her good, if it dosent, it would work whit elsa opinion, they knew each other for too little time for their relationship to be one of true love, so anna wouldnt suspect anything
Hans' actions make sense if you bear a few things in mind.
1) His original plan didn't involve killing, just lying about being a Prince long enough tip marry a rich girl.
2) When he looked at Anna he saw someone he could have a relationship with, because she was messed up. He has genuine affection for neurotic wrecks because they're the only girls who give him any time.
3) When everything is about to unravel he speeds Anna's death by hours, not years. As far as he knows she has no chance. Nobody loves her, she needed a kiss from her true love, she's a popsicle.
4) His only other attempt to kill someone is the only apparent way to stop hundreds maybe thousands of deaths.
5) Remember I said lying about being a Prince? Yeah he's not a legitimate son of the King of the Southern Isles. That's why he didn't know how succession works or that Royal marriages take time to arrange and need witnesses. Remember how some of his brothers pretended not to sees him for years? That's them refusing to acknowledge the bastard.
Really he's almost the hero. Mad, mad queen almost destroyed the country he did what he thought heeded to be done to save it.
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Actually alot of your points are quite weak.
1. he said his plan was to bump off Elsa after he got married so there was always a murder in his plans.
2. I dont know if you can necessarily say that. He came down quite hard on Anna and more or less said he despised her when he found out about her frozen heart.
3. In terms of leaving Anna to die that was incredibly sloppy, for someone who played the double role to perfection, the last act was a sloppy tropey villian mess, which had so many glaring holes in his actions it felt like a completely different person even if he was a villian.
@@kaydee1485 There's no evidence he planned to murder Elsa other than his word, which of true would mean he [EDIT: lied ] to Anna. So paradoxically you're relying on someone being honest and dishonest.
@@newperve really? He literally told this to Anna as she lay dying. How can you say murder was not in his plans when he literally revealed his whole plan during the last act like a literal bond villian. Why would he lie then? And what support do you have that murder was not in his plans and he literally said it was? Actually I was initially planning to rebuff all your points but I cant see your comments as I type so this is wat I'll say for now.
@@kaydee1485 "How can you say murder was not in his plans when he literally revealed his whole plan during the last act like a literal bond villain. "
Because as I already told you we have no reason to believe him. He says he planned to do something, so what? Why would you believe a character capable of murder isn't capable of lying?
"Why would he lie then?"
Well let's reframe the question, why did he say what he said? Well obviously so that Anna would die faster. He seems to understand that both physical and emotional coldness speed the process. He is quite clearly trying to speed Anna's death, even going so far as to extinguish a fire, something suspicious during a sudden winter.
"And what support do you have that murder was not in his plans and he literally said it was?"
He doesn't take a single chance to murder someone before Anna tells him that she needs true love's kiss. He even even prevents other people murdering a person he later says he wants murdered.
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@@newperve I'm not even going to read the whole post but saying he lied about killing Elsa to make Anna die faster makes absolutely no sense. How would you even come to this conclusion, no one even knew how to cure a frozen heart aside from the trolls and you're here saying Hans, who doesnt even come from the area, some how knows the inner workings of an ice spell but then as a prince doesn't know the marriage rites of royalty? And not to mention that bit of information actually kept Anna going. You're grabbing at straws now, this is going nowhere, I'm out! ✌
I think Prince Hans is a water down villain. I think Frozen is also overrated. I think Tangled should get more praise then this movie.
He barely qualifies as a villain.
I agree that Hans was a lousy villain but the only thing I don’t agree with is the idea that he should have killed Elsa when he had the chance. I think we can assume he knew that Anna wouldn’t have married him if he killed her sister which is probably why he chose to save her.
But he wouldn't have been the one killing Elsa. It would hv been the Wesleton guard's doing.
@@kaydee1485 Yes and the last thing he said was "No harm is to come to the Queen.". There are multiple witnesses to this. All he had to do was not react as fast.
I don't think his intentions were to kill anyone until Anna told him she needed True Love's Kiss. He couldn't provide it, so he switched plans from "Marry stupid girl" to "pretend to have married stupid dead girl whose death I sped up.". The only evidence of homicidal intent comes AFTER the original plan fails. His villain speech can't be taken as good evidence since it's told by someone telling you he's dishonest.
@@newperve what reason could he have to lie?
@@tadeocaputo2036 "pretend to have married stupid dead girl whose death I sped up."
Sped up. It doesn't take a genius to realize that telling her that he was using her would speed up her death.
@@newperve how? And even if it did, it would only be for a few hours, not a good deal in my opinion, he was in no rush to kill her.
He didn't save her. He was trying to get the chandelier to fall on her. I understood that since I first watched the movie, why cant other people understand that?????
Wouldn't it have been easier to just let the guy shoot her with the arrow?
Hans chasing after Elsa and saving her makes sense if he was after the throne but then he locks her up in an attempt to dethrone her and then tries to kill her sister. I think the writers just wanted to have a dramatic plot twist, but didn’t understand how monarchies worked because Han wouldn’t have been in line for the throne even if he had managed to marry Anna.
He looks at her this way to make us, the viewers, think he likes her/has good intentions so they can later catch us off guard.
No. That doesn't work this way. He already was in charge, after Anna left the kingdom. He didn't have to kill Elsa, he simply would need to convince Arendelle, that they should coronate Anna. When Anna came home with a frozen heart, he should have kissed her, because if she survived, he would be king, because she trusts him and if not, he only need to convince her to leave him in charge. Considering the fact, that Anna is very naive, she might have done it.
He's not Pinkie Pie, he can't break the fourth wall.
I hate how Hans backstory of how he was abused all his life by his father and 12 brothers they were the reason Han is a monster.
Even I liked Or loved Frozen, Hans as a villain doesn't make any sense.
That's good. Even Frozen fans agree that he's a bad villain. No one fakes that well.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 My mom is one of the few people in the world not bothered by how it was executed. She is right that the nice-guy-being-a-villain thing is a clever idea, but the problem is all in the execution. If you want that done right, watch Sonic Prime or Wreck-It Ralph!
The villan from coco was not bad
Agree on everything you say about Hans and DISNEY'S Twist Villains................except for you adding here KING CANDY / TURBO, even if you didn't mention him just showing him and his clip put him inside of the bad twist villains list, except he is a great twist Villain and one of the only memorable ones in recent history, he is foreshadow correctly, he is antagonizing the characters from more than half of the film even before the twist, he is funny and enjoyable to watch and by the time the twist happen he still have plenty of time to shine as a villain......of all Twist villains Disney have created in recent memory he is by far the only one who works.
He is definitely one of the best. Shame how right after that we got a movie with a twist that's one of the worst!
also king of off topic but i’m still so mad he never had a villain song, lmao ☹️
He literally said "Love is an open door" as in an open door into the royal family. Foreshadowing much?
He think to keep up appearances to trick everyone and to get marry him.
I agree he wasn’t the best twist villain as there wasn’t much hint or build up, but I like how he represented how Anna’s blind trust can be a negative thing, but also has its perks as she trusts her sister to not hurt her even when she doesn’t have much of a reason to, cause in her eyes all Elsa did was hurt her by shutting her out. However it’s true that some of the scariest people are the ones that can manipulate and deceive you, and how you never really know a person at first. In life you sometimes will come by people who seem kind and trustworthy, but the scariest and creepiest people are the ones that don’t seem scary at first. That’s just my two cents at least
Also, how would Hans even know that Elsa or Anna would like to be in a romantic realtionship? What if Anna just wanted to be friends? What would he then do?
Then he goes to another Kingdom and tries smoozing their princess. This isn't the problem with the plan, it's that as described it gets him zero power or chance of becoming the King.
Can we talk about the frozen Broadway version of Hans because something about it
What in particular? For a moment I thought they were going to play him off more sympathetically, but they didn't in the end.
@@Newman55thFoot it's hinted throughout the entire play that he isn't truly in love with Ana right, he just wanted a place in the palace so that he can hold the power he can't have as the 13th brother in line for the southern isle(?). It's not a sudden twist villain, if anything he was the truest to his original goal in the Broadway version. Also Ryan mccartan is just killer as a broadway villian
2:50 It was a nice villain reveal. I loved that
Anna's line that "Hans won't get away with that" is much more worse written line then Hans' plot twist. If Anna would instead say "But, i thought you loved me." What Jans would anwser her? I can't think of anything about it. Perhaps you can?
Okay I feel like it’s very wildly theorized and obviously that Elsa was supposed to be the villain but they switched it to hans half way through and it’s annoying that you didn’t even bring light to this idea
He could have his men killed Elsa when she was in her ice castle acting out of control. The only logical explaination is that he has DID. But would not he notice time skips? Another explaination is that he was under some evil spell that controled his mind and he could not tell Anna coz smth bad would have happend (death of his family?). So it is trolls who are villains in this film.
It was in fact last minute that Hans was the villain
Wow it's 3 years already and I just saw this video. Unfortunately, save for 1 point mentioned, I have to say that I completely disagree with what the rest that this video has said, as well as some of the comments. Sorry, not sorry.
I think Hans is a very fresh and new way that Disney presented what a villain is or should be, and his message to the movie's targeted audience, which are young girls is very important.
The point in the video that I agree with is that the movie's way of protraying Hans as a scheming villain is too subtle, and too hidden that it did not resonate the with the audience. When the time it was revealed, it trully felt like a lazy last minute decision. I agree on this.
Usually, villains not only in Disney Princess movie but in most kid's movie, are protrayed very clearly that they are the villain. They look more dark, sinister, dangerous etc, and their attitude clearly shows that as they are arrogant or envious, and very much bad. Through out their movie, they do things that makes the viewers hate them.
Hans is a complete opposite of this as he is presented as this dreamy handsome Prince that can woo Princesses, through out the movie, we saw him doing good stuff as long as he is in front of people who he wants to gain his trust. He even went to lengths to save Elsa in order to supoosedly gain Anna's and her people's trust.The only time he showed his true colors is when he was presented with an even better opportunity, and he is already in the state of winning. He even does this when nobody is there to see his true colors, which is with Anna who is about to be frozen, and again while hidden in the ice fog, about to kill Elsa whom her uncontrollable power turned her her people against her. He trully knows his evil plan thoroughly.
That's the message that he protrays in the movie. Evil villain not always look evil, not always show everyone that they are evil, and ofcourse, the danger of Anna's (and most Disney Princess movie's) horrible and naive perception of Romance. I think he is the perfect villain to tackle these issue, and it's a very important message to young girls and kids that watch Frozen.
There were 3 foreshadowing to his true colors along the movie, and 2 out of 3 of them are very obvious and in plain sight. first one was the duet of "Love is an open Door" duet which show's Anna's naive point of view of Romance, 2nd is Elsa's iconic quote of "You can't marry someone you just met", and 3rd is Kristoff's reaction to Anna when he learned of her marriage with Hans when they were riding a wagon "You're gonna marry a guy you just met?" (He said that 3x)
Love is an open door for Hans actually means an "opportunity" because Anna falls in love for him that easilly, and it is his Golden chance to be a King. It's not easy to spot but there it is. This was subtly emphasized when they were declined by Elsa who is smarter than Anna, showing his eagerness to gain this opportunity ASAP. Nobody, including the audience ever thought of him suspiciously why he wants to marry that fast because again, he is presented as a handsome Prince Charming. This made the twist slap harder in the face when the twist was revealed. I personally like it this way. But again, it looked like it was a lazy last minute decision.
So Hans isn't badly written, but, his execution in the movie could've been improved, in a way that people would have understood him and his message better. But he is definitely a very clever way of presenting villain which other movies could improve on.
Of course germans are the baddies.. how original
Alice in Wonderland and The Jungle Book were awesome
No. The Jungle Book had no destination
Great analysis!
I won’t accept it. Love Is An Open Door has always been sus to me.
“You know what’s crazy?”
“What?”
“We finish each other’s-“
“Sandwiches!”
“....that’s what I was gonna say!”
No! He wasn’t gonna say “sandwiches”. He was setting her up to say something obvious, to make them look compatible. He changed course when she didn’t get it. Anna had the maturity of a 7 year old. She was naive, she had no life experience, and Hans was a narcissist with an easy target. He worked her up, said what she wanted to hear, and proposed.
“Can I say something crazy?”
“I love crazy!”
WHAT. No. Sus. And it was too self aware to be typical “love at first sight” Disney trope.
This was a man saying whatever his Target wanted to hear to get his way. Right to jail.
Hans has always been evil. He targeted and borderline groomed Anna. I won’t accept this theory.
I dunno I feel like the song is more sus post twist than before. When I first watched the movie I knew they weren’t going to be a couple so I interpreted the song as one between two naive kids who thought a crush or mutual attraction equals “true love”.
Honestly tho if the intent was for Hans to be evil and take over the throne why wouldn’t he just kiss her? Leaving her alive and alone was plain stupid. What if the staff or a doctor asked to check her body? If he kisses her, yeah it’s not true love and the curse won’t break but he’s still in a much better position to manipulate things for his own gain than just revealing all of his plans and leaving her unsupervised like some cliche Bond villain.
Men lie all the time to get with girls, its life, but when it switches to a double sibling murder that's a bit of a stretch. People are manipulative and can adapt to circumstances, but that doesn't make them inherently evil. I understand that aspect of his character but the weird showy villain he became in the end was just bad writing.
@@kuraarachan Why would he kiss her? He knows he doesn't feel "True Love" for her, and if she's honest Anna also doesn't feel it. So kissing her only reveals something that damages his interest. Now if he CLAIMS to have tried his best to save her and married her just before death he still has something. Now if Hans had any brains he'd realise that he has nothing worth diddly squat. An undocumented, unwitnessed royal wedding is not valid. Sorry thanks for playing, you won't be getting a parting gift.
But why leave her alone to die, rather than actively kill her? Well he doesn't want to leave any evidence he killed her. If he leaves her alone for a few hours it looks like Elsa's fault. It's a risk sure, but not a big one. What are the chances that someone goes in while she's still alive enough to implicate him?
I don't think Hans planned to murder anyone. He planned to tell an immature teenager that he loved her, get married and therefore get money and power. Now this plan is flawed, I mean he's not factoring who might object to the marriage. The execution is flawed to, since asking for her hand within 24 hours is risky. I would argue it's less risky than giving her months to find out who he truly is (a mostly broke and politically irrelevant bastard son of a king).
I think Elsa's treatment of him broke him. Not the initial rejection of his proposal, he was ready reasons to ease her mind. It was the dismissal of even considering the marriage, of even considering him, that broke him. He didn't matter, yet again and he broke bad.
@@kaydee1485 it wasn’t bad writing. In fact, it was brilliant writing. Almost too brilliant, because a lot of people didn’t catch it.
Children don’t understand “men lie to get in bitches pants”. The rules for villains include lying, deceiving, having selfish ulterior motives, and pretending to be kind to the protagonist to get their way. He checks all the villain boxes from Love is an Open Door. Movies are also wildly over the top. Lying to get into bed, then treating women like crap once they get their way is an exact parallel to what Hans was trying to do. Lying to a woman to get his way, then treating her like crap after he did. The scariest people are the ones who are capable of horrible things under a mask of charm.
@@elizabethbryce4283 I'd say the argument at that point is that if a lot of people don't catch the intention of the writing, then it wasn't brilliant.
The only time it works is if it was intended to be hard to catch by all except an audience with a specific depth of understanding. Whether this is in the style of the old Hanna-Barbera cartoons with subtly inserted jokes the adults will get but not the kids, or ironic satire targeting some other group to the writers and target audience.
There's a strong sense of a lot missing about the Hans character and particularly about his development as "the villain". To me, at least, the story was always pining for either more of a villain (likely in either Hans or perhaps the Duke) or the deeper complexity of not having a real villain (and could have gotten away with the Duke trying, but failing as the "agile peacock" he is).
To me, a better and much more accurate Hans villain development would involve more clear indicators of his truer dark side; whether in his pre- or post-twist behaviors. A lot of realistic charismatic "charmers" have very clear dark sides to them from the beginning whether in front of or behind whom they charm. The Hans charmer villain character is never "allowed" that so to speak. He's charming everyone (including the viewers) around him at every moment onscreen except for the reveal twist scene. He just needed more moments in which his charms can be seen as machinations -- perhaps a confidant to reveal to or another clear victim.
My biggist isue is elsa the freaking queen. Also hans is so bad like Yokai, Bellwether and the bioler hat guy.
All three of those are much better done than him, though.
Hans was a sociopath, he mirrored others while with them. He copied their emotions as well, at the end he finally revealed his identity in order to get what he wanted. It’s possible it could have just been thrown in there but idk. The smile while she wasn’t looking was still him mirroring Anna. His main goal was to get what he wanted by making Elsa look bad while making himself look good
No,, hans is really good. he is charming psychopath
My reaction to this twist can be summed up like this: ua-cam.com/video/K-QAvy5jYN4/v-deo.html