A couple things you left out that I think are worth mentioning. 1. Remember when Hans and Anna first meet, specifically when she leaves and he falls in the water. Something that makes his villain twist even more bullshit is his expression as he watches Anna leave. He has a genuine smile. Something he shouldn’t be doing if his intention was murdering both her and Elsa all along. It would be one thing if that smile was an act he was putting on in front of other people, but no, he’s by himself. 2. Why the hell does everyone cheer when Ana punches Hans. As far as they knew, Hans was still a saint who did nothing but help and provide for Arendelle. They should be thinking that Anna just assaulted an innocent man.
3. Hans had no reason to betray Anna. He could kiss her and marry her, then become King when she died. Elsa had effectively exiled herself and was seen as a monster, Hans had NO reason to take her back alive.
@@PlanetZoidstar true. Even if his love for her was completely fake, there were literally zero downsides to just marrying into royalty. Hell even if they kissed and Anna’s frozen heart still killed her, he’d still be in a better position.
@@cordyceps7531 Precisely, none of Hans actions are those of a clever schemer, it more seems he's making it up as he goes and actively working against his goals.
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
I felt that they should've kept Elsa as the villain, but make her a sympathetic one like they did in the musical. Like have her parent's abuse play a factor into her downward spiral, and once they pass away in the wreck she's on the brink of snapping. And of course the gloves scene with Anna would be the final nail in the coffin. Rather than making Hans a straight up villain, he could be morally grey while he'd still be after Anna he wouldn't want to kill her like in the reveal scene, rather he'd try to lock her in the room with the fire in a panic so her condition wouldn't worsen and he'd try to kill Elsa not out of selfishness but because he thinks that's the only way the kingdom and Anna will return to normal. But of course the ending stays the same Anna saves Elsa and Elsa is redeemed because this is a Disney movie, but Hans wouldn't go to jail because he technically did nothing wrong, he just thought he was doing what was right. Idk about Frozen 2 though I think that's just unsalvageable.
That’s what should’ve happened. I’d be fine if Elsa was redeemed if it still somehow made sense within the context of the story. Someone suddenly turning from a sadistic power-hungry dictator with no redeeming qualities, several g3nocides, and world domination plans into a 4d sympathetic character who eventually redeems themselves would be confusing as f*ck.
i think that is a good idea and actually can enhance the one of the theme of frozen, which is “the way to hell pave with good intention”. Elsa parent mean well trying to have her repress her power, Elsa mean well when she tried to push away Anna.
Your comment made me notice that Moana and Tangled actually kinda have the same chain of events and are kind of road trip movies where the middle is exploring. Guarded girl wants more from life than a restrictive parent figure and finds a reluctantly helpful man who guides them there then they find out their purpose. That being said they are both better than Frozen where Frozen was haphazard and janky storytelling.
I feel like another reason why Elsa isn’t a villain has to do with one word, marketability. I don’t want to sound cynical but that’s how modern Disney works, they prefer making a quick buck and playing it safe over taking risks and making stories with genuine passion. This is the reason why most of their recent movies feel mediocre and the writing decisions they make feel stupid and forced.
Disney was like "If Elsa is the antagonist,then no kids will buy toy merchandise of Elsa! Let's take a perfectly written character like Hans and turn him into a twist villain instead"
I will ALWAYS remember how INSANELY popular Frozen was. It was EVERYWHERE. Movie theatres, on TV, Radio Tapes. It was shown in stores, libraries, concerts, Frozen on Ice, Broadway plays, On UA-cam, Disney Plus & TV. So much Frozen movies, short films, ABC Once Upon A Time, Frozen books, Frozen games, Frozen shirts, Frozen hats, Frozen dresses, Frozen bikes, Frozen snacks, Frozen music CDS, Frozen toys, Frozen costumes, Frozen puzzles. The song LET IT GO playing EVERYWHERE from 100,000,000 times!!😖😖😖 You could never escape it. Frozen was everywhere. It's like it casted a spell on the whole world
I happened to be living in Japan for a few months while Frozen was still at the peak of it's popularity. To add to your list, there's was a tv show where a camera crew would visit karaoke bars, interview who they could find and challenge them to sing Let It Go. The objective was to be able to sing well enough to finish the song. If they did poorly, the screen gradually gets darker before fading to black. This was early into my exposure of it, so I didn't mind watching.
That’s the only reason people hate it. Because it got annoyingly popular. I happened to see it the week it came out because my then-sorta-girlfriend had just gotten institutionalized, and I figured I’d see some movies that week to take my mind off things. Didn’t even know what the hell it was about going into it - thought it was just gonna be something about a reindeer and talking snowman - and it ended up becoming my personal favorite non-Pixar Disney animated film (although I recognize that tangled has a better story and is more well-written). If you look at it by itself, it’s a very fine film. Everyone thought so at the time. Nobody really started hating on it until about a year or two later, long after it already wore out it’s welcome.
Honestly, HC Andersen's The Snow Queen is a masterpiece and still holds up today. Why? Because it's an epic coming-of-age journey about a young girl travelling across Lapland to save her best friend. It's a very proto-feminist story whose main character actually manages to be a better character than anyone in Frozen. For god's sake, why didn't they just keep Elsa a villain? They banked on Elsa for marketing reasons simply because she has superpowers. They even designed her to be prettier than Anna, even though she is supposed to be the main character.
Same with Olaf and Sven the reindeer. Too many side-cutesy characters, twist villains and magic system. Elsa could have been the evil character done right, Anna could have been the hero and then there could have been Kristoff and Sven done right. Even though Kris and Sven aren't part of the OG story, they could have been integrated in a creative way. No trolls. HC Andersen's story on The Snow Queen is very well done and executed. I've read the original The Little Mermaid as well. I love its simple message more than the Disney message. 👍❤
@@hunterolaughlin Hello! My original comment is somewhere above about Olaf as a character. He wasn't needed. Not my words but my nephew who was five then, is fifteen now. He and my niece still hate this movie for various reasons, and the fact that she was forced to listen to Let It Go by her friends and social media.
The Snow Queen was my favorite non-Disney fairy tale growing up as a kid. When I heard Disney was adapting it, I was sooo excited! Then it came out... and the only similarities between The Snow Queen and Frozen is that there's snow and there's a queen. My disappointment was immeasurable. At least The Little Mermaid cartoon got most of the story beats down, even though it changed the ending.
@@hameley12 You didn’t mention Olaf could be done right in your list of characters that could’ve been done better. And while he isn’t my favorite Disney sidekick, he does have some integral part in the story that you missed: Saving Anna’s life by putting firewood in the fireplace at the risk of killing or melting himself and his words “Some people are worth melting for” is what helps Anna realize that true love doesn’t need to be getting a kiss from a true love, but sacrificing yourself for another to save them, which builds up to when she inevitably stops Hans from killing her sister at the cost of freezing over.
The only way to rationally explain Hans' behavior within the confines of the story is to suggest that he really WAS a good guy until the trolls used magic on him to turn him into a villain. There's even a line in that stupid song "get the fiancee out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed."
At first, I was gonna add Kristoff here, to make him a Kovu, a bad guy, who fell in love with Anna, but instead, I think if we remove Kristoff, have Hans be her real true love, and have Anna and Olaf as the only two on the adventure I would have Hans be the good guy, but finds out about the trolls being sketchy sooner, but not get corrupted by them
When I watched for the first time with my sister, we were suspecting Hans to be the actual villain and kept an eye on him. He had A LOT of opportunities, including one that he saved Elsa for one of the guards invading the palace, when he could act slow, let her die and say it was an accident and marry Ana. To me is clear that the ONLY reason Frozen got the Oscar was because the ice palace scene in Let it Go. Animating ice like that was a big technical achievement ate the time.
The ice scenes are pretty, and bring a sense of wonder to the film, but they really just show how much missed opportunity this movie had. A lot of the supporting characters like Hans and Kristoff felt very rushed, Olaf and the trolls were just annoying, and it really felt like the movie was being carried by the songs. Frozen 2 had all these problems as well, and to a greater degree, with some legit good songs, but otherwise a very rushed script, and way too many characters that were completely undeveloped. I have zero faith that Frozen 3 will be any different.
What's funny is that Rise of the Guardians released the year before on a smaller budget and it still has better ice textures than Frozen. The Croods also released the same year as Frozen and it has a better story, yet lost the Oscar. The animation category of the Academy Awards is a popularity contest, nothing more.
I won't criticize fans of it, because taste is subjective, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really do much to stand out in the Disney catalog. The character designs look like they were made in a doll factory and not from an artist's particular style, it's visually underwhelming (Brave might be one of Disney-Pixar's lesser movies, but it is much more appealing on a visual level), and the music and lyrics are just very generic compared to what Phil Collins or Elton John or Alan Menkin and Howard Ashman, or even the Sherman brothers did. It's a shame it deviated so far from the original concept of the Snow Queen story, because that is a wonderful tale. Faerie Tale Theater's live action adaptation is gorgeous.
Agree. They did not give credit or a short mention of the Sami people either. There is another YT creator who is a Sami descendant and tells through her storytelling how her people's background is overshadowed by cutesy snowmen and magic and love twists. Much of the clothing, design, culture, and mythos is slammed there to make the "princesses" pretty. There are actual princesses and princes in Switzerland; they look/feel more complex, have unique facial structures, and are real. But we know of Disney better and we expect much less every year on their research. I can't wait to see someone else tackle the Frozen Queen in another film with a better story arc and character design/background. Hopefully, another film house can make the Snow Queen more complex and evil.
@hameley12 also, I especially loathe how Frozen Ever After replaced Maelstrom at WDW. I *loved* that boat ride through Norway, to this day I want to go there because of Maelstrom. And now it's just a tacky piece of overexposed IP designed ti make little kids shriek for the toys and dolls.
@@TheRealPSKilla502I honestly don't get all the criticism. It's a gorgeous movie, one of only a few animated films that's inspired by Celtic mythology, and the voice cast is great. And it has its own style, Merida doesn't look like she was designed as a toy first and a movie character second.
Honestly, "Let It Go" could have still been a villain song. Even though it sounds upbeat, it's upbeat for her, because she has let go and uses her ice powers putting Arendelle in danger. They should have had something in the end of the song that sounded foreboding to indicate that Elsa is not to be admired.
Let It Go has always been a villain song to me. The lyrics are entirely self-centered and I'm shocked more people haven't noticed how selfish Elsa seems during that whole scene. When I first watched it, I remember thinking, "Wow, she's just going to abandon her subjects like that to fend for themselves during a potentially fatal environmental crisis? Wow."
@@10thletter40 I assume it's because she thought that she would make things worse if she returned to Arendelle, (after all her powers were uncontrollable) and probably also thought that rather than let her help, the citizens would just imprison and/or kill her, which they actually did try to do
@@hearmeout1767 Yes, but do you know the real question? WHERE SHE GOT HER FOOD! My goodness she is living in a castle far beyond everyone, she's already incredibly thin and frail, like even if she freezes meat like it is winter, she has nothing dried, nothing preserved, she's up on a mountain so no fish are present for other important nutrients You definitely have a good point though
I can appreciate Disney not wanting to do a super dark story about two sisters where one is the ACTUAL villain and not a misunderstood one, but making the villain be Hans instead was a horrible choice. They literally HAD a villain already with Westleton, and he would have made sense as the villain too. But no, Disney tossed Westleton aside and weaseled Hans in. An incredibly dumb move for sure. Also Elsa staying isolated forever on that mountain makes ZERO logical sense. She needs to eat and drink, and she's literally living in a snow-capped mountain with an eternal winter to boot. I don't think she would have lasted long there :T
Hans didn't have to be the villain. Here's what I believe they should have done. Hans meet Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. They don't have to have an instant romance but a friendship. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away with Hana looking for her under separate terms from Anna while Weaselton takes over the throne. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where Hans runs for Elsa and Kristoff for Anna, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests! A simple solution!
Also, does Elsa really believe that isolation is what she needs? This is something many have stated was never explored. Because considering the implications of the song Let It Go, it kind of comes of as seeking emotional reconciliations with those who care about you being a bad thing, as well as running away from your problems. The scenes when she's all alone before Anna comes in implies she is perfectly fine. SO what kind of message is this suppose to send? Especially since the movie's climax implies that not being the case and how "love is the answer the whole time"? So then WHY couldn't Elsa learn that before? I kind of wish that the film would have some scene where Elsa is in her castle, trying to think of activities for herself to do. Maybe she even sees that her magic can make snow people come alive and tries making magical friends, only to realize that it's not the same, and she's still not happy. Only for her anguish to lead for her power to cause her ice/snow creations to turn into monsters, heck maybe even turn into Marshmallow (her giant snow monster guard), only to see that Marshmallow is acting all angry and mean due to the fact that just like Elsa, he has nobody. Kind of make this a scene similar to Groot, King Shark, The Iron Giant, or even the Rockbiter's (Neverending Story) "big, good, strong hands" monologue. Well not that any of those four have anything in common but you get the point.... But just show that Elsa is actually more miserable being alone and when Anna does come back she does consider only to be reminded of her past, therefore tries to lie to herself in why she can't return home. Other movies like The Lion King and Prince of Egypt did this much better.
THANK YOU, ELSA AND ANNA’s PARENTS SUCK SO MUCH- I was so surprised that they were seen in a good light in Frozen 2 for whatever freaking reason, they literally created a cell specifically for their daughter that Hans uses in Frozen 1, since there’s was no way in hell he just knew Elsa had ice powers and that it was a good idea to cover her hands in chains- Nor Elsa nor Anna deserved the parents they had I swear to God
Schaffrilas said something similar in his Frozen 2 video on how it was “troubling” (or something similar) that the parents would be seen in a good light in the second movie, given what they basically did in the first movie
I think those cuffs that were in the cell were an actual thing from back in the olden days. But yeah Elsa and Anna’s parents were awful. Elsa’s no.1 enemy was fear and they made Elsa afraid of herself. Also why didn’t they objects to the trolls changing Anna’s memories? Wouldn’t it be better for Anna to know and fully understand Elsa’s powers?
@@thegiantbeagle The more you think about it the more awful they become in my opinion, honestly I know it wasn't intentional but it kind of felt that Frozen 2 tries to justify the obvious emotional abuse by emotional negligence from their parents I know some people might think calling it abuse might be taking it too far, but as someone who was emotionally neglected I definitely have grown to relate to Elsa (even if I personally believe she is not written well at all and I also believe she would have been better as a villain, an actual good sympathetic villain but a villain non the less) learning to keep all her emotions inside because that was one of the things one of my caregivers tried to "teach me" as a child, poor girl cannot even look at a window and just stare happily at the distance because it makes her not control her ice powers It feels a bit relatable to me because I couldn't even simply even laugh at times and needed to learn to even keep that inside, when it's totally necessary for kids to learn hot to express emotions in a healthy way, something that Elsa and Anna's parents definitely didn't also do It ends up feeling like poor Elsa cannot even express simple happiness at all because it makes her "lose control of her powers" to the point she just looks miserable when her parents leave, yeah she looks more miserable when they died, but honestly she just doesn't look happy in general, it feels like they just thought her to be miserable and obviously feel complete permanent fear in losing control, like we all know, and then tried to pretend they were such brave and stunning parents in the second movie, I know I might a bit biased here because of my personal experiences. But I swear this emotional negligence definitely extends to Anna too, just like mentioned in this video, they don't even help poor Anna in anything and they seem to even pretend she just isn't there and give her the love that she also deserves, it's obvious it wasn't intentional, but intentional or not they still definitely abused Anna too. Also the memories point also sucks so much who even though of that, it definitely makes more sense to let Anna know and help Elsa with her situation. Is like if some parents had a sick child and decided to not explain to their other child that their siblings is sick and just tried to leave them "happily ignorant" at the situation while also at the same time giving more attention to the sick child and neglecting the other one, it makes zero sense. Honestly they could have at least given the parents at least some type of remarkable quality in Frozen 2, but all the actual good content got literally cut out from the movie, so we can't even have that, it would have honestly let them be in a more neutral position for me instead of the "justifiable abusers according to Disney" on my book if I'm being honest Also thank you for the historical fact, I might look more into it! Of course that doesn't make them suck any less but at least it gave them one less remarkable quality! And now I'm kinda genuinely wondering why would people had an actual need for chains like that in actual real historical events..I think you gave me a random topic to entertain myself with, thanks!
Much as I applaud their "Let It Go"-inspired decision not to make Elsa a villain, the creators seem unaware that there's a middle ground between "malicious villain" and "passive, insecure, suffering mess". Throughout Elsa's scenes it felt as though they were holding back, painstakingly avoiding even the faintest hint of spite or even momentary malicious pleasure on Elsa's part. There is never a moment beyond the "Let It Go" sequence itself when Elsa _actually lets it go._ "Let It Go" explicitly announces that from this point onwards, she's going to enjoy her powers and put on a more confident act, _but she never does._ Elsa remains just as timid and self-loathing as before, her behaviour never changes. And enjoying her powers, even at the cost of others, doesn't even necessarily make her a villain. You don't have to make her cross any unforgivable lines - she could pursue a temporary vindictive streak - a scary one, but one during which no one is seriously hurt - before realising that what she's doing is wrong. That would have made her an infinitely more layered and dynamic character. As it is, she feels like a squandered opportunity.
But she was gonna be a morally-gray villain like John Silver in Treasure Planet. Wouldn't you want her to be the antagonist instead of a "misunderstood heroine"?
@@1992disney I wouldn't mind either, to be honest. "Misunderstood heroine" can work very well when it's handled with care. Whichever slot she would end up fitting, I simply think she needed a more creative and daring character arc. After "Let It Go", she could temporarily have become an amoral trickster, enjoying and furthering the chaos without ever crossing into outright malice. She needn't go as far as John Silver into actual villainy - she just really needed to leave the victim-slot.
@@thesardonicpig3835 But John Silver really doesn't have to be the only morally-gray Disney villain, you know. There's always room for more. Unfortunately, Disney's too scared to create anymore antagonists like Silver for obvious reasons.
@@1992disney Haha, in my opinion Silver is the best standalone character Disney's ever created (except Frollo, who is on par). I would even dare to say that he's more compelling than the book original. Elsa as a morally grey villain would have been great to see. If she had gone on to being an actual villain after "Let It Go", the first act would have been a phenomenal origin story. Having her as a villain would also have given them more freedom in exploring her character.
I was actually one of the few who wasn't crazy about Frozen when it first came out, like, I thought it was ok, but it was kinda annoying to watch cause I couldn't get over the writing and how awkward it was at some parts. I also felt it had too many songs, like, I was ready to see Anna and Elsa actually talk when Anna comes upon her castle and they break out into song instead... I was also surprised they never did anything with Elsa and Kristoff cause he was introduced as the ice guy. He loves ice. Elsa's magic is tied to ice. What were they thinking never even having them talk?
Please do not try and tell me that the reprise for the First Time in Forever was a mistake. That song is the highlight of the entire story, my good sir.
There seemed to be a lot of foreshadowing of Elsa and Kristoff. As "Everything Wrong With" said; Two good guys, two good girls; and the duke can be the villain"
IKR? I watched it on my laptop in college when I first saw it, and at first it wasn’t bad, but not good. I was actually super disappointed in it with how many people went crazy over it, especially that stupid song. Legit if you took the song out, I think Frozen would’ve become one of the biggest flops became of how terrible it is. Tbh I don’t even like Anna and Kristoff as a couple BECAUSE of how their relationship is written, and seriously don’t understand why a lot of people really like Kristoff as a Disney prince. Anna is so immature and annoying half the movie with absolutely no idea what she’s doing, and especially when her horse runs away, if Kristoff didn’t agree to help her, she would’ve died several times in the movie because of how naive she is. Plus Kristoff has a very poorly written backstory: he’s been harvesting ice ever since he was 4 or so and doesn’t have anyone except Sven, and ends up getting adopted by a bunch of rocks who don’t just reveal themselves to anyone. When Kristoff meets her, he mutters about this is why he doesn’t trust other people, but they don’t dig into why he’s a lone wolf who prefers to be by himself with Sven. And especially the trolls song Fixer Upper, oh my gosh this made me dislike Anna and Kristoff even more as a couple because it completely contradicts Kristoff’s whole statement of Anna being so foolish for wanting to marry a dude she barely knows, but the trolls don’t even know her and can already tell she’s the perfect girl for him, even trying to marry them on the spot instead of helping Anna who is literally dying in front of them. I don’t even get what exactly Kristoff even likes about Anna that he ends up falling in love with her aside her impulsive nature and doesn’t make fun of his passion for ice. And on top of that, she still believes she’s in love with Hans, and was fully willing to marry him and everything. The scene would’ve worked so much better if it showed them kissing, but it failed because Anna just doesn’t actually love him and has genuine feelings for Kristoff instead, just didn’t want to admit it. And it could’ve worked a lot better with Hans being a good guy who is sad Anna doesn’t love him, instead of him being a twist villain because of how he behaves in the entire movie up until this point. I never got why so many people loved Frozen, and its such a steaming pile of crap that doesn’t deserve to be critically appraised and so beloved. Legit Tangled is a thousand times better than Frozen
Problems with Frozen(containing some conspiracy theories) : 1. The executives problem wanted Elsa to be a good guy instead of a bad guy for merchandise reasons. Even though Anna has pretty outfits throughout the film, Elsa's Let It Go dress is more sparkly. This would make Frozen more marketable to little girls. 2. The reason Frozen was so successful was because people were really craving a new Disney movie. 3. Disney adults. Need I say more. 4. Tumblr and other social media at the time 5. The film definitely looks rushed. The story feels like the first draft of a fanfiction about the Snow Queen instead of a fully fleshed out narrative. 6. It lacks foreshadowing, especially with Hans as the villain. There is absolutely no foreshadowing about Hans's intentions. It definitely feels like they just slapped the role of villain on him at the ladt minute. 7. Elsa has more motivations to become a villain than Hans, obviously. Even though Hans has many brothers, he can always marry. Princess from a neighboring kingdom. It doesn't have to be Arendelle. 8. They could've gotten more inspiration from the original Snow Queen. 9. Kristoff had a weak and nearly nonexistent backstory. 10. The trolls were stupid 11. I hate Olaf. Sorry guys.😅
There is 2 foreshadowed moments for Han's villian arc: "I've been searching my whole life to FIND my OWN place" song lyrics in Love is an Open Door Then, the blink and you'll miss it Hans points the harpoon to the chandelier that crashes on Elsa in her castle. But yeah, these are so minor and easy to miss it still makes the twist feel like an ass-pull 😂
There’s a bit where Anna says it’s “just me” and Hans repeats “just me?” And has a quizzical expression on his face, it seems like then he sees her low self esteem then and figures out that she would be easy to manipulate. Also the whole song love is an open door is him following her prompts and making it look like they instantly get each other. Eg. he feeds her the line “we finish each other’s..” she throws him of by saying “sandwiches” and so he runs with it singing “that’s what I was going to say” I doubt he was going to say sandwiches. It’s quite subtle but if you’ve ever met someone like that who makes an amazing 1st impression and it just seems like they’re so in tune with you, but then months or years down the line you’re trying to escape them, I think it would be easier to see it.
As a survivor of almost fatal sibling abuse, Frozen is EXTREMELY triggering. I remember walking away from the theater thinking the movie felt like a rough draft that one of my siblings wrote, because they wanted to be a hot-mess and the hero at the same time. I've never watched this movie again in full. Even seeing snips of it makes me super uncomfortable. I don't think anyone on the staff knew what it actually feels like to come inches from death because your sibling can't control themselves. I'm still struggling with it, because I wasn't allowed to feel anything. I was told if I didn't act like nothing happened, then that'd make me a rude, self-centered brat, when all my siblings were struggling worse with their disorders. Never watched the sequel, but the second hand descriptions I've heard of it made me even more uncomfortable. To this day, I believe the only reason Frozen did so well is because, to an aspiring and developing young mind, Elsa is an attractive power-fantasy. You can get rid of everything else and the movie would have done well as long as there was a character with powers kids could project themselves on to.
I can't speak for your experience, but regardless of my own feelings for the film, there was apparently SOMETHING that made this film become Disney (not Pixar's) first film to make $1 billion. Even the company didn't expect that. Aside from addictive music, I think it's because this was the first time where a Disney film focused predominantly on the sibling relationship rather than it being a subplot. In fact, Anna and Elsa were originally not related, but the plot wasn't moving forward quickly enough and the team thought they needed something to connect them, and someone threw out sisters. Personally I took their relationship as a metaphor for strained relationships rather than abusive ones (though it can be both, and Frozen 2 covers Anna's codependency as a result of her upbringing. She has a really emotional song about it). Elsa was a villain, then a villain-turned-hero, and then finally a hero because the writers felt like the time allotted wasn't enough to evolve Elsa in that way. BTW, your PFP is gorgeous!
@@OpticalSorcerer I second to this as well. There really was something special about the narrative of Disney Princesses as sisters when it first came out, and one of them was an ice queen that a lot of people can project themselves into. People say this makes Elsa a hollow character, but it only seems that way because most of Elsa's unique qualities can be discerned by looking between the lines. Elsa becomes a fascinating character also because she has Anna as a sister, and Anna becomes an interesting character because of Elsa in return. These sisters became an icon in the decade for a reason. There are still parts of the Frozen movie I would like to improve writing wise, but for what it was, it was indeed a massive success. Heck, this is a similar reason why the Mario movie today succeeded. Both Frozen and Mario were a spectacle movie first and narrative second. Mario is very fresh today during the current movie climate of Hollywood sequels and mediocre movie fatigue, even though the Mario movie doesn't have a strong narrative in itself. Frozen was fresh in its time because it was mostly the start of the Disney trope subversion, and the movie was written well enough to be entertaining in that regard featuring two Disney princesses as sisters that was never done before. I won't be surprised if the next decade of 2030, people will look back at the Mario movie and trash it for how flawed it really was narrative-wise, and that what's currently happening today for Frozen. Nowadays, it's really easy to forget the magic that Frozen first brought to the worldwide stage and what made it special to begin with, despite its flaws. Jennifer Lee really struck gold with that movie, even though she wasn't the only one of the brains to really credit within that production.
@@BuizelCream I think most people write off Elsa too quickly. Due to the fact that her main arc(s) revolve around acceptance of her powers, we don't get to know about any interests outside of that--and the same can be said of Anna. I really am excited to see Frozen 3 break the mold because now Elsa is in a good place and we know the origins of her powers. We'll get to see more of her and Anna's personalities (and hopefully more from Kristoff since he was left out a significant amount of time in Frozen 2). Frozen experienced what happens with a lot of popular movies; it gets a lot of love, and those who found it fine/awful double down on their dislike for it because they don't get/agree with why people like it (I know from experience). Frozen 2 was a weird one; it suceeded due to a darker narrative and being tied to a phenomenon, as well as being released at a time when it had little competition from other films. Had they waited, COVID and other films would've affected their box office negatively. The soundtrack even re-entered the billboard hot 200--something the first didn't do. Yet it feels awfully...underrated, I suppose?
Honestly I trust Hans a lot more than Elsa or Anna to lead that little kingdom. I mean, look at the story: he is without a doubt the most mature character, and clearly has been trained for leading by a royal family.
Hans is unironically a better leader than Anna and Elsa, and it's truly embarassing how a movie that's supposed to be about "girl power" or whatever makes its female leads so self-absorbed, irresponsible and incompetent.
IKR. That's just sad. It's great that the two sisters learned to properly communicate and care for each other but that's not what their kingdom needs 😂 Honestly, I am not convinced that Elsa can be this competent and capable queen when we were told at the beginning that she grew up in closed doors and the very first time she's in public for a long time (for her coronation), she freaked out so badly she run away, isolates herself, build an ice castle, protects herself from intruders and finally, she was kidnapped and was brought back in the kingdom. What a rollercoaster ride for her. Clearly, she NEVER wanted to be a queen. The 2 sisters reconciling is great but throughout the whole movie, Hans seems to be the one who genuinely care for Arendelle and its citizens. After Anna made him in charge temporarily, he takes this responsibility seriously. We even have a scene of him helping and comforting some ordinary citizens. Elsa never wanted to become a queen. Anna just wanted to be free. And I just can't see any of them ruling a kingdom.😂
@@queenberuthiel5469 lol the king and queen were too busy keeping them isolated than teaching them how to be proper future rulers. 😅 again that also shows their own capabilities as leaders/parents
I can give you one good reason to feel bad for Hans. He was a good-hearted character who "somehow" was hijacked by bad writers towards the end of the movie. Can' blame someone for being possessed.
This is why you read through your script and make it the best it can be before animating. Think of it like considering chopping down a tree; once you do, it can't be brought back.
Hans character could have worked just fine if he wasn't the villain, he was just someone who wanted to be a leader, like a good king, but since he had such a distant claim that he had to go off and marry into another kingdom. Like don't have him evil, just gunning for a relationship and being untrue to himself in the process, like Aladdin in his Prince Ali guise or what they would accuse Ariel of trying to change for someone else. The love's kiss doesn't work because it's more like well wishing or friendship he could kind of feel, where Anna's real chemistry can still be with Kristoff and you could even still let the true love be with Elsa. Hans being a wrong path but not evil would actually have had more depth.
i have idea that i think would be more interesting: make him an antivillain. have him be a good man willing to do evil for the greater good. what if he tried to kill elsa because he genuinely believed it would stop the endless winter and cure anna? it would go from one dimensional villainy to a desperate attempt to save the city and prove himself
Now that would have been nice. Like have him panic when the love kiss didn't cure Anna. And then and there he gets the idea to kill Elsa. He runs out the room with Anna yelling to him to not kill Elsa, only for it to fall on deaf ears.
Everything else that could've been done with Hans' character, would've been much better than what we got! I mean, we all do know the whole, stranger guy or falling in love in first day, is Disney's own ego to make fun of themselves and their deceased creator! not that I disagree with that moral (I'm like number 1 hater of any romance that starts with just a bit flirting and smiling and kissing in first or second day) but it's still ego and arrogance and hypocritical. But the thing is Hans not being Anna's true love or vice versa (which I would appreciate) is not necessarily him being evil the way movie wanted to make us believe. more painful than that, Hans wanting to take over throne was also not exactly an excuse to be evil! He could marry Anna, or Elsa. in reality, Elsa would soon loose it and abdicate the throne and even if she didn't, Hans' life would've been much better as the second direct succession line than the way he's treated in his kingdom. or he or other circumstances in the movie would eventually force Elsa to abdicate. none of this means, he's a psychotic murder man! (if Disney really really wanted to teach children a healthy lesson, why not showing them a glimpse of how politicians and royalties used to work back in old days? why not making them see the dark side of monarchy and it's not always black and white situation that they can directly chose one to root for?) especially when you look at it wisely and realize that Hans was much better choice for the throne than either Elsa or Anna and can be much better king than either of them and their parents combined. now that I remember the memories of old days in 2014 when all of Frozen petty fans hated Hans and acted like anything about him, his actions and entire movie makes little sense, I just wish I could go back and punch them in the face that tell them how stupid they are
@@Underworlder5 Yeah, we'd have another character like Tails Nine, a complex and multidimensional character with an understandable viewpoint. But no; they just had to make him a mustache-twirling villain solely so the movie could have a mustache-twirling villain. 🤦♀️
They didn't make the fact that Hans never liked Anna believable. Instead of saying he never loved her, he could've delayed helping Anna knowing that she'd try to stop him from killing Elsa, believing that she'd see his actions as correct in the future. Elsa was proven to be dangerous and Hans was convinced he was doing what was necessary to save everyone instead of trying to usurp Arendelle.
Yeah, there are a heck ton of things they could've done to make it work. Why go with the. Worst. Possible. Thing? Oh yeah, I forgot, they wanted to release the film as early as possible just to make a quick buck. I understand their greedy minds!
You have no idea how happy I am that a lot of people are finally starting to see the flaws Frozen has. I remember seeing this movie EVERYWHERE to the point that I hated it for the sake of hating it. And when I finally watched it, I thought it was crap, especially with Hans being a twist villain. Nowadays I don't hate the movie as much as I did back then, but it always baffles me how it became so popular.
@@AtesSu2006. Let it go would have made a great villain song if they made it upbeat in the beginning, but as it progress, the tone changes where it becomes dark (or something like that idk 😅)
Still pissed that at the last minute they shoe horned in hans to be the bad guy. That dude genuinely cared for Anna and they had to fuck it up cause whoever was in charge liked the song let it go.
Also, did you notice the Duke who was nothing but distrustful of Anna as soon as Hans turns evil and Anna has "died" the guy acts like he's losing his own child, and his planned murder of Elsa is just forgotten 😂
@@phoebevaughan5095 Listen, Disney, when the end of Trail Mix-Up--which literally has, in the real world, Mount Rushmore coming to life and then Roger Rabbit accidentally making the Earth DEFLATE--makes more sense than the entire plot of a 90-something movie like this one, you're doing something wrong!
Knowing what Hans' story was SUPPOSED to be, especially with the abusive family and how that could've paralleled so well with Anna (but contrasted if Elsa ended up being redeemed), THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO GOOD!
People complain about Frozen 2 being poorly written with underbaked characters, but why were people surprised? Frozen has the same issues. Actually it seems like the team that works on Frozen has a continuous problem of not knowing what to do with their characters. Seems like they’re good idea people but they could have benefited from some more experienced writers.
From what I can discern, the Frozen movies' head writer Jennifer Lee is more of an intuitive writer, who probably doesn't rely on methodological writing systems to structure her story. In other words, she doesn't do outlining. This explains why it took her so long to figure out the concrete identity of the voice who's calling Elsa in the sequel for example (but Jennifer was very certain of the metaphorical purpose of what impact the voice brings to her characters, which is Elsa and Anna). In the writing community, intuitive writers have their unique strengths. They rely on discovery writing techniques to figure out the story as they go, rather than planning the details and plotpoints meticulously ahead of time before typing down the 1st draft. Because of this, I believe that Jennifer not figuring out who was calling Elsa from Attohallan very early in the drafting process should be given a lot of slack from people who have been bashing her over this. When you investigate Jennifer Lee's drafting style, she often writes the Frozen movie scripts first as literature writing, like she's writing a novel. This kind of explains why the Frozen films (especially its sequel) tends to be quite devoid of punchy dialogues, which should be the main vehicle that drives the story forward when it comes to movies. I'm not saying that this contributes to why her characters feel underbaked, but because of this most of the interesting character aspects of Anna and Elsa for example tend to only be discerned when you read their on-screen interactions between the lines. (This is where YT Disney movie analysts and theorists are so helpful.) If Frozen was written like a novel by Jennifer Lee, most of the rich character interactions will be found through narration and description most likely, rather than through dialogue exchanges between characters. It has been a long commentary talking point that Jennifer Lee and her team are indeed good idea people, but the problem isn't really about them being incompetent or lacking writing experience. They just need a better screenwriter to translate their good ideas that will be better suitable for a film media.
@@BuizelCream It makes SENSE now holy shit 😮That's why Frozen 2 is so bad. Also, I've read somewhere that it was written from the end. Meaning that Lee came up first with the ending and then they just made the rest of the movie "fit". Maybe Frozen 3 will be actually better? Since she's not writing it this time.
@@lysander3459 I have hopes that Frozen 3 can be good now since a different creative team is handling it so far that's being told. Although, I still wonder if these new writers are gonna be about writing good stories FIRST over messaging. Agenda-driven movies tend to flop seriously hard nowadays because of being exposed for what they are, so... 😬 But back in Frozen 2, Jennifer Lee did have an ending in mind for that sequel, thus has clearly gone discovery writing to that kind of ending for being an intuitive writer. It explains a lot why there was a lot of heavy revisions along the way during its production. For example, Elsa was supposed to never be resurrected in the sequel after she died in Ahtohallan, thus Arendelle gets destroyed. That's a big deal of a plotpoint. And this idea got stuck in production long enough that concept arts and storyboards were already made for it, and lines have been recorded. But then it was later changed. (This was an example of a major plotpoint revision that happened outside the coverage of the Making of Into the Unknown docuseries due to it occuring before the start of 2019, which was when the docuseries began its first episode.) This discovery writing style of Jennifer Lee was also applied back in the 1st Frozen as well. That film's whole script was suddenly being rewritten when Let It Go came late into the picture. But to give her slack where it's due, the 1st Frozen film had a more powerful set of production team compared to the circumstances surrounding the sequel despite Jennifer Lee still being primarily responsible for writing these two movies. John Lasseter was still around for the 1st Frozen. He was responsible for a lot of quality creative control when he was the chief creative officer of Disney (and Pixar) movies under his era. But during the sequel, Jennifer Lee was then the chief creative officer for all animated Disney theatrical movies. So, Jennifer also being busy overseeing other projects, like for Encanto's production under Lin Manuel Miranda, while simultaneously working on Frozen 2 set for a 2019 theatrical release date may have clearly robbed her of her creative writing time and focus, and could've caused the production of the Frozen sequel to be quite strained by comparison to the 1st one. I can't say that Jennifer is a bad writer myself. Intuitive writers tend to discover concrete good ideas and be able to execute them well as they write on the go. But for Jennifer Lee as the individual herself, she does really need a good co-writer to help execute her ideas that translates well into film. For example, she was also involved in the creative writing process during the 1st Wreck It Ralph (a better movie). Although she was not the head writer of a team of 4 writers there, but that movie benefited with the contribution of her ideas due to working with these other talented people who were filmmakers. If Jennifer Lee is somehow involved in Frozen 3, I do hope that she'll be the executive producer for it primarily, overseeing the accuracy of the interpretation of how her characters like Elsa and Anna are written for these new writers, in order to maintain the core magic of why Frozen worked as the iconic movie franchise it has now become.
That's what I thought when it came to Frozen 2. I remember hearing all these complaints about it not being written very well and the story and characters being underdeveloped, and all I was thinking was, "Where were you people when the first movie came out? The original Frozen had all the same problems."
As someone who adores The Snow Queen, watching Frozen for the first time as a child just left me feeling hollow. I wish they stayed with the villain Elsa plot, because at least it would be closer to the original fairy tale instead of whatever this was. What irks me the most is that the fairy tale was already a platonic love story to because the protag, Gerda, and the kidnapping victim, Kai, (though in some versions he was less so kidnapped and more so accidentally taken) were both children, possibly no older than 12. Sure they do kiss, but not on the lips or in a romantic context. What did the movie do? Name two random characters after them that you probably wouldn't have noticed upon first watching. Like come on, they didn't even name the King and Queen after them. And the villain is named after the guy who write the Snow Queen, and the Little Mermaid! The same Little Mermaid that inspired the movie that started the Disney Reinaince. I know they're just names, but it certainly feels like the writers are spitting on Hans Christian Andersen's grave with that last choice. Funny story, when I first watch Frozen I actually wondered if I was watching the right movie because it opening text was something along the lines of 'Inspired by the Snow Queen', but there was no mention to the Demon Mirror. I can understand if the Demon Mirror was cut because it is literally a mirror made by demons, but setting up the vague concept of an item like the Demon Mirror could have explained Hans' heel turn into a villain at the very least.
About the writers spitting on H.C. Andersen’s grave by naming the villian of this movie after him(and this is coming from someone who still kinda likes both films)… Hans is also the ONLY Disney character, that’s implied to be Danish(I wrote this as a reply on another Aldone video, but since it pretty much became unnoticed, I’m writing it here again), JUST LIKE H.C. ANDERSEN, HIMSELF! I know, some sources claim that he’s Scottish, but “Westergaard” is a DANISH surname, and as a Dane myself(with Norwegian roots and family members), I just don’t know what to say!
Kai/Gerda's bond was my favorite part of the story. I think it's really powerful to have a little girl embark on a journey to save a boy through the power of friendship. It's so rare to see something like that which isn't motivated by romance or family. I watched the behind the scenes for Frozen and they never explained the choice to get rid of Kai. It seems like trying to make the story focus on Gerda/Snow Queen's relationship has been their plan in the past 20 years, out of the 70 years that Frozen has been in development. I can understand wanting to develop a relationship between these 2 considering Gerda has never even met SQ in the original story, but why did they remove Kai? He's the whole reason why the journey even happens. Saving him is the plot. What is the point in deleting his role and giving it to SQ? I'd give anything to have an alternative version of Frozen where Elsa's characterization is transferred to Kai and just make SQ a separate villain. That would've been a nice adaptation that retains the complex character that Elsa brings while still being a faithful reinterpretation.
The more I think of Frozen, the more I realize how terrible the plot is. It hinges on nonsense, and I never found Elsa to be anything good at all. To see her praised everywhere has never made sense to me. You can literally salvage a ton of the premise if you just fix Hans. Such as this: Hans is the 12th prince of the Kingdom of whatever. Being the youngest, he is very like Anna; naïve, a bit immature, his head in the clouds. He does not think being King is that hard of a job and doesn't understand why his oldest brothers treat the station with such seriousness. His worldview of romance is like in the novels. Having just come of age, the King of whatever decides to send Hans on his first official prince duty: attend the coronation at Arendelle, a diplomatic affair Hans should be able to handle. Hans goes and is delighted by the kingdom, he meets Anna. They are kindred spirits, they understand each other almost instantly. Both believe that this connection they feel is true love. The movie continues the same plot until Anna leaves to search for Elsa. She asks Hans to watch over Arendelle until she comes back with Elsa. Hans (who is visibly nervous) accepts with a promise to do his best. This was not anything he expected to ever have to do: Be a ruler himself. The entire time Anna is gone he tries to help the people, but it is only getting colder, and the people are losing hope. Hans begins to understand what it means to have a kingdom depend on you and how difficult and daunting being a ruler is. He joins the expedition up the mountain to look for the sisters, worried for them both, and things play out like normal. Once Elsa is brought back, he questions her about Anna and stopping the cold. Elsa doesn't know where Anna went and tries to get ahold of the storm but is unsuccessful. Hans returns back to the main part of the castle in time to receive the freezing Anna. They kiss, but as it was only infatuation the two feel, it doesn't work. Devastated, Hans tries a few more times, but still nothing. It's a heartbreaking moment and Hans breaks down under the weight of helplessness, telling Anna that he tried his hardest but it was not enough. Both realize Elsa was right and they jumped the gun completely. One of the guards comes in and tells them Elsa escaped. Anna realizes that true love doesn't mean it has to be romantic and asks Hans to carry her out into the storm to find her. Hans does not believe he can do it or that they can find Elsa. Anna reminds him of all the good he accomplished on his own and that they have a chance to stop the blizzard from destroying Arendelle. Hans thanks her for believing in him and helps her out across the ice. The blizzard is now at it's worst, even Elsa cannot see through it. Elsa gives up running in despair and falls to the ice. Hans is hurt while helping Anna, and he tells her to continue on to her sister. Breaking through to the heart of the storm, Anna's last act before she freezes solid is to throw her arms around Elsa. The reunion scene plays out like the original, Elsa unfreezes the kingdom, Kristoff helps Hans back to the castle. In the aftermath, Hans and Anna break off the engagement, both agreeing they weren't meant to be in a relationship like that but want to remain friends. Hans, having been humbled and realizing just how much growing he has left to do, returns to his home with newfound respect for his father and brothers, intending to be a better prince and brother. I came up with all of that in less than 10 minutes. Instead of a terrible twist from out of left field, it fixes the character and has the message for both boys and girls of the dangers of jumping into relationships on a whim or based entirely on infatuation. Which is far better than what we got. If you read this far I'm proud of you. 😊😊
The plot mostly isn't terrible though. it doesn't hinge on nonsense, Elsa is good at a lot actually. It does as she's a good leader and a good sister. I mean that is a lot better, but Hans being evil could have worked if the proper build up was there and he wasn't THAT nice and generous.
I just hate what a total dork Kristoff is, eating carrots that his reindeer has bitten and are covered in spit, yet thinking Anna is uncivilized for propping her feet up on the sled. Speaking of feet, I'm also still not over how Elsa putting on gloves somehow keeps her ice magic from coming out of her hands, but she can still cast it with her feet, even with her shoes on. And don't get me started on Olaf. I just freakin' HATE him SO much!
Totally agree. Initially, I actually liked Olaf a lot (especially that impaled joke. My family hates Frozen but we love that joke). As the movie went on however, and upon rewatches, I find him rather annoying.
I grew up in the Frozen culture, and while this movie was never one of my favorites I always just accepted it as inherently good. Then awhile ago, like a few years ago, I rewatched it after I watched Frozen II and I really began to understand that this franchise was never good, only just a fad. I always say Elsa as the intended villain in the first movie by the way, never Hans. I just thought Elsa was the poorly written villain!
Frozen feels like a Frankenstein monster composed of many versions of the film or (dare I say this) many versions of the story wearing a trenchcoat pretending to be one. Let this be a lesson to stick to one version and go with it, unless if you SOMEHOW know how to make a Frankenstein of different versions work. Also did Disney knew that SYMPATHETIC VILLAINS EXIST? A villain doesn’t HAVE to be an unsympathetic monster. Elsa could be a sympathetic antagonist.
One thing I really hated about Frozen is that it ruined web game websites that start being plagued with disturbing grotesque Frozen bootlegs together with other franchises which will soon infest UA-cam as the infamous Elsagate that's still here today. They also to lesser extent infesting on Flashpoint that lacks quality controls and the requirement to tag properly as there are very dumb people just dump absolute everything they find to Flashpoint no matter what it is and don't know what those tags means. It's hard to find good and nostalgic stuff there and blacklisting tags mostly associating with those stuff won't always help as many of those dump people forget to tag so they just use the commonest tag to these things.
It's not really the movie's fault it's just one of those things that sadly happened. It could have happened with anything else that can get extremely popular very unfortunately.
@@andreasmeelie1889 I know and I was about to edit my comment to be more clearer that it's clearly not Disney's and other corporation's intent at all now. But just shortly after Frozen got released that phenomena seems to become noticeable much more pronounced, widespread and worse than before and all those franchises such as Spiderman or other princess franchises that came before Frozen didn't have that much spammed disturbing bootlegs on classical game websites before until Frozen got released. It's not the movie's fault by itself but it could be the side effect of being released and trendy on the year 2014 where there was like a revolution of social and technical trends where most people started to use internet and social media much more than ever before. Bootleggers usually use physical merch and DVDs before but now moved on to the internet like anyone else. But thanks to the plague of copyright abuse on Frozen, I can't think anything more than getting reminded of these frustration I have when thinking of Frozen unfortunately. The movie itself is fine when trying to forget everything outside the movie.
Ikr? I'm pretty sure every girl centric game sites are *FLOODED* with "Frozen" related games along with other popular franchises like Disney Princesses and Miraculous Ladybug. Even Wednesday isn't immune
I know how physical bootlegged products and Elsagates makes tons of money from scamming children but what is the purpose of bootlegging free web games? Are they payed by the websites themselves to easily lure children into their sites for the ads?
@@samkilpatrick1259 It's okay, but it gets pretty annoying on replays. Back in the day, I actually preferred First Time in Forever, and now, I feel like Show Yourself is better. None of these are particularly great, they're all pretty average by Disney standards, but Let It Go is particularly mediocre for how popular it is.
The fun part is that, when I saw Frozen I thought, through out the whole movie, that Elsa was the villain XD and that’s what made me feel sad about her and it felt completely right and understandable to me, so when the “true villain” is revealed I was so shock because I didn’t saw it coming, but literally, I just thought his kiss wouldn’t work ‘cause Ana wasn’t in love and that would be a lesson BUT NOOOO, he had to be the “mastermind” behind everything Still makes me upset xD Elsa was the greatest material for an villain origin story, but Disney just wanted the easy numbers I guess
I grew up in the 90s and Little Mermaid merch was absolutely everywhere. I had the shampoo bottle, coloring book, and doll. It was a blast from the past when I saw Frozen merch everywhere.
“Little Mermaid the T-shirt, Little Mermaid the Coloring Book, Little Mermaid the Lunchbox, Little Mermaid the Breakfast Cereal, Little Mermaid the Water Gun! The kids love this one. Last but not least, Little Mermaid the Doll - Sebastian!” 🎶Under da seaaa! Under da seaaa!🎶 (Kiss) “Adorable!”
I don't get the parents. If the gloves prevent Elsa from using her ice powers why not have her always wear gloves and let her play with Anna, therefore preventing the problem caused by the trolls keeping the memories
I’m thinking more “They really thought Anna would never find out about her powers later as an adult?” Its the same problem of having a sibling with a mental illness or a parent that has to go to rehab or something and the child at the moment doesn’t fully understand why. You don’t just force them apart, and Anna would’ve drifted away from Elsa in time, that’s how distant relationships work realistically. Its not like the trolls said they couldn’t help Anna a second time aside the heart problem. Notice how Elsa doesn’t have ANY problems controlling her powers UNTIL her f*cking dad screams at her for ACCIDENTALLY hurting Anna. He NEVER apologized for snapping at her or telling her he knows it was accidental and just to be a little more careful from now on. He and Iduna freaking made Elsa think something was seriously wrong with her and basically made her hate herself. I despise how the sequel tried writing them as tragic parents who weren’t truly terrible and had good reasons for why they did what they did. For crying out loud, Iduna literally grew up around magic and could’ve easily gone back to her tribe to consult them as to why Elsa has powers, its not like the gate wouldn’t let the queen who was a tribal member in.
@@kristinahuchison2511 That's one of the reasons sequels like the one this one has should not exist. And also why you should read over your scripts before animating. THAT IS WHY MOVIE SCRIPTS EXIST.
@@artbytesia tbh I feel the movie would be a lot more solid if they kept Elsa the villain. Even after she Let it Go, she literally is scared of using her powers aside defending herself. Even after Anna learns the truth, Elsa still keeps shutting her out and refusing to let her in. I don’t get why so many people love Elsa when all she does is literally run away from her problems. Plus Anna’s arc makes no sense. After Elsa refuses to bless her engagement to Hans and Elsa’s powers are revealed, Anna is completely free to become queen of Arendelle and marry Hans. She literally cares more about marrying a guy and wanting to have the gates open over her sister. I get Anna does love and care about Elsa, but that isn’t how distant relationships work. If I had a sibling I had lost contact with, I don’t think I’d be that concerned about them unless they were willing to mend a relationship. I find Anna’s personality kinda generic and unrealistic with how she acts
@@kristinahuchison2511 I feel the exact same way. That's one of the reasons I don't like Let It Go very much, because...well, you know how if you remove a loose nail from a building, it can cause the whole thing to collapse on top of itself? That's what Let It Go did. It pulled the nail this film basically needed out of its foundation, and the whole film fell with a great crash.
I remember being so excited to watch this movie, seeing all the trailers and memes coming out of it at the time it released. Even when I was just 12 - 12 YEARS OLD!! I ended the movie by saying "that was a horrible movie" and it's been one of my least favorites ever since I've always been a hater, and always will be. I'm so glad people are finally seeing it for what it is: an undercooked mess
Hans honestly was the only one in this movie that felt like a *real* character but they just had to make him a twist villain. Also, they really wanted us to believe in the second movie that Anna and Elsa's mother was from that tribe in the forest when she's as white as snow (or a brunette Elsa) in this movie.
Agreed. Hans is my favorite precisely because of how well-rounded he seemed-that is, before the terrible twist character-assassinated him. And the Iduna retcon makes even less sense when you look at what real Sami people are like; they basically turned the Sami into discount Native Americans. Klaus handled Sami portrayal much better.
Bro, the weirdest justification I've seen from people regarding your last statement, was because of the environment Iduna (think that was their mother's name) was in at the time when she was a child. And that when she came to Arendelle her skin lightened. Except... as a Dark-Skinned person myself, that's not how that works. Your skin can get lighter as you get older (or darker depending how often you're exposed to the sun). But one's skin doesn't go from brown to completely white from a change in environment just like that. I could be wrong on that, but I found it baffling when people said that as if it made any logical sense. When it was clear that Disney was just trying to score those representation brownie points.
@@flyingstapler1241 I know. But regardless, it still doesn't make sense either way. Hardly met anyone who's skin went from a drastic shift in color the way they did it with Iduna. This also goes to show how Disney will want to score brownie points in any way they can. While further proving that what they were doing here is more than enough proof that genuinely had none of this planned out.
I remember when I first saw Frozen I knew nothing about the movie except the song Let It Go, which was everywhere. And I was expecting Elsa to be the villain because she was clearly falling to the dark side in the song the way she was acting, even though it seemed like a good thing to her, and I was intrigued and excited for that angle and thought Anna would have to fight her and ultimately bring her to her senses or something....but no I guess it was just the start of 'you go girl' stories, and that was a positive role archetype that would plague us a decade later.
That's kinda one of the plot holes I noticed on the very first viewing. Later, when Anna found and interacted with Elsa, I was thinking "I thought Elsa wasn't gonna be scared anymore!"
When I saw this film I was one of the folks unimpressed by the writing. The way Hans as a twist villain was handled along with splitting the story between two heroes AND two villains (with Wesselton). I also grew up with an older half sibling in a similar situation with Anna, and felt like she forgave Elsa way too easily. Strangely enough, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 had a sort of sister-sibling story arc with Nebula & Gamora that I feel Frozen really could have benefited from.
Why do I have a feeling the Anna's memories was gone being weird? I feel like she should have them to come back, but have her feel bad, she would be upset that Elsa didn't tell her, but also have her think it's her fault for being reckless and getting hurt, that way it's both their faults instead of Elsa's
@DivineChaos204 True, but still. It'd be like if someone were to burn their hand on a campfire while cooking hot dogs, and someone else went all, "Oh, you burned your hand? We just gotta remove all memories of campfires! That'll heal you!"
Honestly, even back when I was hyping for this movie, I remember being extremely disappointed after I watched it, the plot and characters felt so thin and not worth a rewatch. I'm glad people starts to agree with me.
I knew Hans was a bad guy when he said he has 12 brothers. I went "hmmmmm... 12 brothers. Bad guy" My friend said "dammit! Thats the twist!!!" I'm sure the writers put that line in there last minute to justify his actions later on. Cuz he was a much better royal subject than the 2 princesses who ran away.
Growing up, my favorite Disney princess movies went from The Little Mermaid, to Tangled, to Frozen, until at some point when watching Tangled over and over, it became my favorite again. Even the relationship between Rapunzel and Mother Gothel was an inspiration to me for two characters I had been working on. Not to mention the incredible love story between Rapunzel and Eugene. Also the town dance sequence will forever be one of the best scenes in Disney history simply because of how well the music and activities mix and I've always just been hypnotized whenever I watched it. Frozen will forever remain special to me in some way, especially since it was the only Disney song album I ever got, but I will admit it had a lot of flaws unfortunately.
Tangled and it's series are the reason I have unrealistic expectations for romantic relationships, cause raps and Eugene are just so damn perfect together
@@samcochran8203 I can't express how badly I want to watch the series, but unfortunately I don't have any subscriptions and have no idea where to pirate 😔
I don’t think Frozen is a bad movie but when people started acting like it was revolutionary or like Disney just made its first film and changed the world with it, that’s when I started to get annoyed. And it ruined it for me.
@HereMays Well, let's see... Says "Can't marry someone you just met" - Enchanted Has an independent woman - Brave - Pocahontas - Mulan - The Princess and the Frog Has a sisterly relationship - Lilo and Stitch Is a redemption story - Lilo and Stitch - Aladdin - Beauty and the Beast - Pocahontas Has princesses - The Little Mermaid - Beauty and the Beast - Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - Cinderella - Pocahontas - Tangled - Aladdin - Mulan - Brave Has family love be what saves the day - Brave Has character learn they don't need to fear or dislike what makes them unique - Dumbo Sounds like it's not a copycat to me! *sarcasm*
honestly i feel like a better twist with hans would have been if the two DID kiss, but it DIDN'T fix the problem. the audience would then be lead to believe that it's Kristoff that will save Anna (as she also thinks so), but then Anna saving Elsa would actually be the key to solving the problem. the movie is still a mess but i think that would have been a stronger twist to subvert the disney true loves kiss trope. also, it would have been nice if they kept the snow queen as a villain, bc then maybe she could've been the return of a classic disney villain. mother gothel wasn't quite on the same level of disney villain like ursula or maleficent, but the snow queen (as a character, maybe not as Elsa Sister of Anna) could've been a nice return/nod to that disney era.
Did you know that Disney Will Re-Release 8 Classic Movies? 1. Toy Story - July 21 2. Frozen - August 4 3. Beauty and the Beast - August 18 4. The Incredibles - September 1 5. Coco - September 15 6. The Lion King - September 29 7. Mona - October 13 Also, one non-animated movie: Pirates of the Caribbean Really Disney? After what you did to Johnny Depp? Do they think people who were upset at them for how they treated Johnny Depp will just go back because they release a movie with him in it? Do they want to guilt-trip Depp into returning? ''Look at all your movie fans. Do it for them.'' Let me speculate why those animated movies in particular are being re-released. 1. Toy Story 5 is coming 2. Frozen 3 is coming 3. A ‘’live-action’‘ Mufasa movie is coming 4. ‘‘Live-action’’ Moana and cartoon series is coming 5. Beauty and the Beast was the first full-length animated feature to be nominated for Best Picture. And its remake isn’t hated as much as many others. 6. Coco re-release is for representation. After they canceled ''The Owl House'' and their new show ''Primos'' controversies they are hated from all sides. 7. The Incredibles is just a beloved classic and its sequel made tons of money. All those movies made a lot of money. I wonder how they will censure the re-releases. Remember how they changed the drier in ''Lilo and Stitch'' into a pizza box? Will they keep all the ''spicy'' scenes from ''The Incredibles'’? Will they keep the horny triplets from Beauty and the Beast? Particularly the scene in which LeFue is checking out their boobs?
Everything Disney releases will fail. My favorite Pixar movie, Toy Story, will fail. The re-release and part 5 will fail. You are exactly right about Depp and Pirates. It will fail. Everything Disney releases will fail. Disney is working on a new mascot and logo. It will be a huge bomb with mouse ears going down the Titantic with waves that spell out Failure. They spelled out sex in The Lion King and now they can spell something else. Disney sucks.
What do u mean be re-release? Just put them back in theaters when most of these are readily available on Disney plus? How sad. Disney is so down bad for money
@@michaelfields7088they fixed it also we don't know if they gonna fail gosh you guys only see the name and say that will suck like dude not only Disney release bad movies there are tons of studios that make worse movies but no it's only about disney
@@nymphohalo It makes some sense. The cinematic experience is different than watching a movie on your laptop or TV. Many people would jump on the occasion to watch their favorite movie on the big screen with family and friends. Especially if they didn't get to go to the cinema when it was originally released. I bet parents and grandparents would love to take their kids, who weren't born when those movies first came out, to watch ''The Lion King'' or ''Toy Story''. But with how many people are angry at Disney and with current financial problems (inflation) it might be another big flop for Disney.
@@nymphohalothey did this before Disney+ was even a thing they re releaed the lion king on 2011 and other movies that aren't from Disney made a re release for example titanic for valentine's Day
I hate disney for ruining Hans Christian Andersen masterpiece the Snow Queen, we were originally going to get a proper adaptation of that fairy tale but disney changed and bastardize it, Frozen is such a pathetic mess and has the worst villain in a disney movie.
I think Frozen would have been better without a villain. They could have gone full personal drama as a plot, and it would have been much stronger. I mean, after an accidental power reveal the queen flees her country, leaving it frozen solid, and now she has to figure out how to thaw the frost and learn who she truly is inside. Meanwhile Anna's story barely has to change. Even if Hans is not a villain, she could find in Enchanted's style that while she did have a crush at the start on him, by the end, there just isn't actual love.
There's a 2D animated adaptation from the 1950s that's actually pretty dang good. Not to mention faithful to the fairytale. I recommend you see it; THAT will not disappoint you. 😁
I remember seeing this film in theaters when it came out, but I had spoiled myself with the Hans twist after reading the synopsis on Wikipedia. At the time, I initially thought it was kinda cool to see an attempt at a subversion of the "love at first sight"/"prince charming" fairytale trope. But later as I started thinking about it more, I came to the same conclusion everyone else came to, which was that Hans made NO SENSE as a villain. I despise Hans and the other so-called "twist" villains that came after him due to how utterly forced and contrived the writing is. Hans did not work as a twist villain because he was a completely different character throughout the majority of the movie. There was absolutely nothing that could indicate or hint at him being evil all along, and it feels like the writers just made him pull a 180° personality change at the last minutes of the movie because they realized they needed a villain and couldn't find anyone else to be a villain because they scrapped Elsa's role as the antagonist. Bellwether in Zootopia suffered the same problem, being revealed as the villain at the last minutes of the film, along with Callahan in Big Hero 6. Turbo/King Candy worked as a villain because they had already set up "going Turbo" in the beginning of the film, established King Candy as an untrustworthy character, and had a backstory of Turbo and the dangers of doing what he did. Hans had none of that foreshadowing. Anna and Kristoff had no chemistry or anything to bond over, unlike Anna and Hans in the first half of the movie. While they needed more time to develop their relationship like Elsa said, if the writers had stuck with Hans being Anna's love-interest and had given Elsa a love-interest in Kristoff (as well as giving him a lot more characterization), that would have made more sense. Both Anna and Hans have something to bond over, both being younger siblings ostracized by their eldest siblings, and possibly other things I probably forgot about. Meanwhile, Elsa has her ice and snow-themed powers, while Kristoff is an iceman raised by mountain trolls and has a pet reindeer, so they're both associated with winter and have something for them to bond over. Disney should have stuck with the original draft where Elsa was a misunderstood villain.
I've said it once and I'll say it again: fixing Hans is easy. Have him kiss Anna. When the kiss failed, he panicked and left, maybe saying he'd get more blankets or a maid. Lock the door, and continue. Frozen 3 should be his redemption arc. Have them team up with him and he proves he's changed. Only way to save the franchise.
Many people claimed that Chicken Little is the worst movie in the Disney canon, but this and its sequel took the cake... Until Raya and the Last Dragon came along.
@@artbytesia You're kidding, right ? Despite being a shameless rip off of Avatar: The Last Airbender with the tedious message about trusting incredibly shady people, a bulky lesbian stereotype who backstabs every second without feeling any remorse for her actions, and Awkwafina's atrocious performance as Sisu, one of the dumbest Disney characters since Hei Hei from Moana ?
@@aidanhever3369 No, I'm not kidding. I thought the story was well-told, the characters multidimensional, and it had good action and lovely scenery and music (especially when Sisu runs on the rain). And I never thought of Avatar when watching it; I personally get more Avatar vibes from Frozen 2! So yeah, I find it to be good. If you disagree, that's fine.
Frozen is bad, I agree. I do not like the second one, either. That song "Let it Go" shows Elsa is a narcissist. Instead of apologising to her people for the incident, she abandoned them. Both Frozen movies were cash grabs anyway. For anyone who likes Frozen, I respect your opinion.
I used to like it. I also heard the song in stores I remember I found that really annoying. I hated the movie in 2014 I seen it too much on Facebook my news feed
Finally, people are starting to talk about how bad this movie really is. I thought I was alone when I first saw it. It's painfully mediocre at best, but that's not what really bothers me-what irks me is how close it came to being good and how the filmmakers utterly wasted the characters' potential. This is why Frozen angers me more than the sequel even though it's slightly, objectively better in quality: because I was at least prepared for how awful Frozen II ended up being and had already lost investment by that point.
One thing I don't understand is why they couldn't make Elsa sympathetic AND keep her the villain? Just because she has relatable motives doesn't mean she can't do bad things.
If anything, I believe Tangled did a better job as a movie now I see Frozen in its state today. I too loved it as a child, but as a young woman now, I think I regret liking this movie.
I haven't watched Frozen 2, but my biggest problem with Frozen is the fact that the movie centers on Anna instead of Elsa, who is by far the most interesting character. For some reason I didn't understand at the time I watched the movie, and still don't understand, Elsa is MIA for like 70 % of the movie. We know little to nothing about what happens to her after she runs away to live in seclusion, and we are instead stuck with three or so secondary characters and their antics till the end. They literally forget about the movie's main and most interesting character, and that's just weird and nonsensical.
That’s something I realized when I first watched it as well! Literally Elsa is the reason why the movie is titled Frozen, so why she doesn’t have more screen time is crazy.
If she had more screen time, she wouldn’t remain as interesting. There’s only so much introspection and monologues that kids can handle. The little we get of her captured quite powerfully what her essence is about - which is the reason why you consider her such a compelling character. But I do agree that some of Anna’s side quests were underwhelming.
I agree, after all Frozen is based off the story of the 'Snow Queen'. I was more interested in knowing more about Elsa than Anna. Had Elsa had Olaf or Kristoff to talk to, it would of made it more interesting.
It had the worst thing - the catchiness The Broadway musical vibes of the song infuriated me out of my pants Like, hey Disney, once upon a time you hired Phil freakin Collins to write Two Worlds, Son of Man, Strangers Like Me, You'll Be In My Heart, On My Way, Great Spirits, Look Through My Eyes - what happened to you now?
Yeah, it really doesn't have that many traits that make it stand out. Let me elaborate: *Sung by a Disney princess* - Part of Your World - Someday My Prince Will Come - A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes - Once Upon a Dream - When Will my Life Begin? *Sung by Idina Menzel* - Defying Gravity (which has a similar vibe, BTW) *About self-dependence* - Go the Distance You know what all these songs have in common? They all have better writing and messages than Let It Go!
The way I interpreted the character of Elsa is that she is still an antagonist to Anna, because when Elsa sets off an eternal winter, Anna wants to return the seasons to Arandelle, while Elsa prioritizes her newfound freedom before the livelihoods of the citizens. Elsa is a villain in this sense, because the morally correct thing to do is to prioritize the happiness of the majority over one’s personal happiness. I think Let It Go encapsulates her giving up on being “a good person” and her decision to live for herself and only herself, which is character development from the girl that lived her life in fear of not being able to answer to her parents of citizens’ expectations. Then, her character arc is complete when she realizes that she was coping hard by convincing herself she was happy living completely alone, and that what she really wanted was to enjoy her sister’s company and be able to fit into her kingdom. I do think that last part could’ve happened more gradually, than her looking like she had an instant change of heart, but at least I didn’t feel her character arc was incomplete. Hans being a villain felt forced, but I think it could’ve worked if he had led Anna on just to get closer to Elsa, with the original intent being to marry Elsa since she’s the queen. I think it’s far fetched he could’ve come up with the evil plan to get Arandelle when Anna told him she needed a kiss. Like if he had intentions to get Arandelle, he must’ve already had a plan when he arrived, which first step was flirting with Anna. We just never saw how the plan would go if Elsa had never revealed her powers. I don’t like when any characters do a 180 just for shock value lol And Kristoff is def unnecessary to the plot, and I’d have been perfectly happy if at the end of the movie, both Elsa and Anna remained single. Kristoff x Anna doesn’t work imo because Anna is in love with Hans the entire time they spend together. This isn’t a case like in Enchanted where Giselle x Robert works despite her falling in love with Edward first, because Anna needs to think of Hans when she thinks of the person that can give her a true love’s kiss, meaning there’s no gradual falling in love with Kristoff before that. I think he’d have made a good sidekick friend, so that the journey to Elsa’s castle doesn’t feel boring, but not as a love interest
There’s no shame in admitting you had a fictional crush on Elsa, pal. Different guys, different stories. Be proud of who you are Aldone. Anyone who says to be ashamed of something in you only has self esteem problems of their own. Be you, and be proud of being you.
Hans as a twist villain made no sense and was rather laughable. There was no reason for Hans to need to kill Anna or Elsa to get the throne. Anna was already head over heels for him and willing to marry him just like that, and Elsa had no true intention of ruling the kingdom. Elsa could have been the villain who abandons the kingdom in an eternal winter, leaving Anna and Hans to work together and learn what true love really is about. A better twist villain was Ernesto De La Cruz from Coco. The formula was really good because it convinces the audience to blindly idolize him and then slowly realize as the story goes on that Hector died due to Ernesto being power-hungry, or willing to "seize his moment". It's a great lesson that you shouldn't blindly idolize someone without even knowing what they are really like. This can be applied to the real world since there are a plethora of celebrities that people swoon over without knowing that they could be awful individuals.
Thank you! I can't stand this movie! The songs are horrible, the villain and his plan doesn't make any sense, the main character is so unlikable. I hate this movie with a passion.
It all boils down to one thing: the writing. Heck, a T-shirt with rips and tears that's been put in a food processor set to Slice & Dice has less holes than this film's plot!
I can name 20 Disney animated movies that are better than Frozen: The Lion King Hunchback of Notre Dame Aladdin Hercules Tarzan Mulan Beauty and the Beast The Little Mermaid Moana Tangled Wreck-it-Ralph Encanto Meet the Robinsons Lilo and Stitch Fantasia Pinocchio Peter Pan Atlantis: The Lost Empire Princess and the Frog Big Hero 6
Honestly Elsa should have been the villain. If they made a few changes to Let it Go to make it a bit darker, think something like No Good Deed from Wicked. Idina Menzel has a very powerful and strong voice so she can easily pull it off.
I think the scrapped song "Life's too short" that was supposed to be in the movie encapsulates the lost potential of Frozen perfectly. It's literally just a song where Anna and Elsa argue about their different upbringings and can't see eye to eye because of the way they see their whole childhood and were raised. It humanizes Elsa in a way, turning her more into a sympathetic villain, and you understand both of the sisters viewpoints way better. I bet the song wouldve been in the movie if they hadn't changed Elsa into a "misunderstood good guy'
Honestly, I do think that this song could still work with Let It Go (since this song is what apparently had writers change their mind and make Elsa a messed up heroine instead, which is also a bit stupid considering how Let It Go's lyrics also fit for a villain) as it also explains why Elsa sang it in the first place. I think it's more of "rushing" things that made them scrap a lot of ideas. "Life's Too Short" also presents other concepts such as Elsa being a prophecized cold ruler which had to be scrapped along with that song, which is honestly really sad. It makes them seem more realistic and more relatable too and Elsa being the villain can still work greatly, a villain that we can sympathize with
When I finished watching frozen 2 I turned to my friends and was like "so the whole story was basically that episode of SpongeBob with the giant clam and that scene with Patrick where he is like "but I was looking for ME the whole time"
That would've explained why they took Anna's memories of Elsa having ice powers when she was fine with them before and why they sang a dumb song while Anna was FREEZING TO DEATH.
Frozen ironically suffered in terms of writing because of “Let It Go”. Financially, it was a success but revolving the entire story around that one scene hurt the narrative and pacing a lot.
Agreed; that's one of the main reasons I don't find that song that good. Idina Menzel has sung much better songs, like Defying Gravity and her own rendition of Do You Hear What I Hear?
Especially Frozen 2 when Elsa literally pushed Anna in an ice canon with no regard for her safety or whe she'd end up... When Anna is literally begging her since she have severe abandonment issues. And in the end Anna just forgives her cos she appeared again on a magic horse? Elsa is a hot mess that demanded everybody to deal with it. And its awful how that's the message of the movie. If your sibling have ice powers and have special snowflake powers, let them emotionally walk all over you and leave you all the responsibilities of running a kingdom while she's out there with her water horse.
Elsa never wanted to rule the kingdom, even from the first movie. She wanted to be free and find a place where she belonged with her magic. Even if the people accepted her, she was never truly happy. Anna loved Arendelle from the beginning and wanted Elsa to return to stop the eternal winter, because she cared about the people and believed in Elsa that she could do it, even when Elsa was fearful. Anna also made her own choices. Elsa kept the ice trail on land in the sequel, but Anna altered the course to end up in the river close to the frost giants and then fall down the waterfall. Anna is more suited to rule, because she believes in doing the right thing and Elsa knew that.
@@silashurd3597it’s like Disney is trying to hide any negative reviews of the Frozen films because they will turn people away from the unwanted Frozen 3 and we can’t have Frozen 3 be a bomb, can we?
@@TheHalloweenSpirit well judging by the latest box-office returns from Disney’s recent films and from people getting sick of WAY too much of Frozen anything, I doubt that anyone will be excited or thrilled about Frozen 3. That and it’ll probably be worse than Frozen 2.
Movie would have been infinitly better if they removed all the self aware Bull crap and hans and focuse more on Elsa and Anna's relationship. They could have made Elsa a sympathetic antagonist, like she's only doing this because she's mad at the world, but she would change at the end because of her sister.
Dumb and Evil Hans: Imma let Anna die and kill the ice queen then the people will...probably let me be king. Common Sense Hans: I think I'll marry the cute princess, try to solve the problem with her sister, and however things work out, I'm sitting pretty as a husband, eventual father, and beloved leader within the kingdom whether I wear the crown or not Seriously, imagine if they pulled a C.S. Lewis Corrin from the Horse and His Boy (one of the Narnia books for those who don't know) and the second Elsa tries apologizing for taking the responsibility of ruling from him, he's says, "Are you kidding? Princes have all the fun. Let me know if you need help from time to time, but I'm already hearing wedding bells and seeing some really jealous brothers in the pews."
This is the best video about Frozen that I've ever seen. You pointed out all of the questions people have been confused about. Now I really wish they could remake Frozen, but that's sadly not possible.
They really should've have Duke as a villain because of his desire for money and powers and his prejudice (?) towards people with powers, and I guess we should've had Elsa as a hero going through a villain arc to test her morals and beliefs
You know the point about the parents not spending time with Anna… Could Anna be technically considered a glass child? That could’ve been kind of interesting imo
@@merafirewing6591 A "glass child" is a term that refers to a child who grows up emotionally damaged by being neglected and/or parentified due to one of their siblings being special needs. The term reflects how the child grows to feel transparent in their family due to not having their needs met. Though I have never watched the movie myself, I have heard that the brother Ben in the movie There She Goes is an excellent example of a glass child.
I used to hate Frozen because I had that MASSIVE crush on Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians and the ship Jack/Elsa had become really popular and it pissed me off. Ah childhood. I might have gotten over my Jack Frost obsession but I still don't particularly like Frozen. (but to be fair the more I hear people talk about it the more I like the idea with Elsa the villain)
Same here with the Jack Frost thing. I loved Rise of the Guardians, Jack being one of my favorite characters. His upbeat personality and desire to help others clashing with his feeling of isolation and unsure of who he is reminded me a lot of what I was going through at the time. Not sure if I crushed on him as I thought he and Tooth looked cute together plus the timing of his journey where I rather he get used to friendship and community first (if he developed more in sequels, then maybe crush territory 😋). But I found his journey and growth quite impactful and pretty heavy for a movie like that. Not to mention his power set, the movie’s visuals, and the sense of family and belonging among the characters makes it very rewatch able. Elsa, in contrast, is just an ice queen. As in, she’s cool, aloof, so ‘ice/cold’ become more of a stereotype for her character than something that actually says anything about her character. One can blame her upbringing which I admit is fair, but it’s still cliche to give the ice user that kind of story. Misunderstand, isolated, over come with power. Etc. Jack, in contrast, has ice powers but uses them in a way that reflects his positive personality. He sees snow as time for play and spending time with loved ones. He is partially isolated from say Bunny since they operate in different seasons, but the main focus is not being seen and using those powers to change things up. So yeah, I was always annoyed after Frozen came out when people started shipping them together just cause “ice powers couple!” Like, there’a so much more to like and admire about Jack than just his power, and those types of stories normally revolved around ice-queen Elsa either 1) learning to love or 2) being portrayed as more tragic than Jack. Just got really old really fast.
I admit, I didn't get the appeal of this crack-ship either. But I'll also admit that it has a lot of good fan art-same can't be said for fanfiction, however. It's even funnier to me because Jack/Anna makes more sense as a crack-ship, but I guess being logical sort of defeats the purpose of crack-shipping.
The intro scene with the ice cutting feels like it belongs to a different movie, it's so weeiird. Especially since it has such a different tone to the princess childhood scene coming right after.
I'm thinking of a way in which it'd have worked: Parents die early and kingdom is ruled by a regent while the girls are small. Upon discovering Elsa's powers, she is locked up in the castle, but Anna is free to go outside, make friends, etc Elsa becomes bitter and swears revenge for years of neglect and confinement. She escapes and leaves Arundel, causing eternal winter. She becomes a villain. She watches Anna fall in love and resents it, sends some icy beings to kidnap her lover (e.g. Prince Hans). Anna comes to the rescue aided by a friend. On the way they discover a connection There's a fight between Elsa aided by a hypnotised Hans and Anna + Christoff. Anna gets badly hurt and nearly freezes to death, but C does smth heroic in order to save her. Elsa has a change of heart and realises that true love can melt the coldest heart. She releases Hans from the spell, only to realise they'd actually grown close to each other during the time they spent together. 2 marriages. Dunno, it's just an idea.
Disney: "Isn't it funny and sweet how the Trolls adopt Sven and Christoph?" Me: Is knowledgable of some Scandinavian folklore and what Trolls do the children they 'adopt'. 😬😰😱
There were so many "Frozen vs" debates in the 2010s: Frozen vs Tangled Frozen vs Wreck it Ralph Frozen vs Big Hero 6 Frozen vs Zootopia Frozen vs Moana Frozen vs Raya & the Last Dragon Frozen vs Frozen 2 Frozen vs Encanto Frozen vs Little Mermaid Frozen vs Aladdin And the most popular: Frozen vs LION KING
@@d1kgaws12 and once the upcoming movie WISH comes out, we can expect a "Frozen vs Wish" debate. To make matters worse, FROZEN 3 is confirmed in case you don't know
@@joshualowe959 How about Frozen vs something non-Disney? Frozen vs Spiderverse Frozen vs Puss In Boots Frozen vs Kung Fu Panda Frozen vs HTTYD Curious what people would have to say about that these days
There is a theory out there that Hans actually did fall in love with Anna, but the trolls messed with his mind. 1. Hans's face when no one's looking, right after he meets Anna? Not a villainous "my plan is working" smirk. A goofy, lovestruck grin. 2. Pabi's actions prove he's got no qualms with mental manipulation of Anna, so why would he have reservations about it with regard to Hans? 3. Lyrics to "Fixer-Upper" include references to "get the fiancée (Hans) out of the way" so they can insert their adoptive family member (Kristoff) into the royal family.
Something that just always felt wrong to me was that Anna and Kristoff ended up getting together in the end, especially given the troll song trying to get them married. Like she knew Kristoff for just about the same amount of time she knew Hans and somehow she was supposed to know Hans was evil and Kristoff isn’t? And the trolls trying to get them together just made everything feel forced especially since it’s not a standard Disney romance movie. I think it would have been better if the pair remained friends and not fallen in love with each other because it just feels like Anna made the same mistake with Kristoff that she made with Hans and tried marrying a guy she knew for a few days Additionally, Hans basically won half way through the movie. His men was about to kill Elsa and Anna wasn’t there to see, AND she was relying on him. He could have let the solider kill Elsa and return to the kingdom to break the news that she “accidentally” perished. But a better way of having it done would be to have him be the one to try and kill her and either have his men stop him or Anna come in and stop him, showing that he was a villain since with Elsa out of the picture, as long as Anna still loved him he’d get what he wanted Anna didn’t even have to die either. She loved him and all he really needed to do was fake it till he made it and once he was king have an “accident” happen to her. And if she did die he’d be up next for the throne as he was engaged to Anna at that point. So he could have just left Anna be and either way he’d get what he wanted. But he literally did the absolute worse options in every situation
Not only that, but it also would have actually taught the lesson it was trying to teach about not needing a man to save you! Heck, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, a film where that lesson ISN'T the main focus, actually taught that lesson a lot better than this film, where it IS, ever did! How? Does? That? HAPPEN?!
She knew Kristoff longer actually as they spent more time together and she actually got to know him before she fell in love with him unlike Hans. It didn't make it feel forced at all. She didn't make the same mistake, she actually got to know Kristoff and for longer too. Good luck doing that as Elsa is well...powerful. That wouldn't work as Elsa and the others would still protect her from him. No that wouldn't work. I dunno about that but he was a bad villain.
Even as child when I watched it, I'm aware that it feels ... _narrow?_ Damn, my vocabulary. The setting just feel empty and not massive if compared to Tangled or other animatic movies. I know because it set only in 2 setting: Arendelle and the mountains, with two ambience: snowy and sunny. It always feel odd to me that the Weasel Duke and the rest of the characters claiming they're having *eternal snow!* I don't know how they knew the snow will be eternal, and I never understand how Elsa just stepping on the lake and accidentally cursed the whole kingdom. Or as you said, the Troll decided to adopt Kristoff and Sven. But, those all what I'm thinking when I was a child lol If I want to make crappy metaphor, it feels like a bridge and the destination. But, Frozen lacking bridges, so everything just teleported on the destination. Frozen lacking explanation or *SHOW* not tell.
In my opinion, song “Let it Go” should’ve been one of, if not, the first Disney song for a villain where the song itself isn’t malicious or villainous, but upbeat and sympathetic for the villain where the audience has to decide whether they want to either cheer for Anna to save her sister, or cheer for Elsa with the purpose of her character having a chance of being redeemed. They could’ve capitalized on the song to still make her the main villain of the movie, and missed it.
My younger sister and I were ten and seven when this movie came out, and to this day we do the “Do you want to build a snowman” knock on the door. That’s how we know it’s each other. 😆
She would have killed countless people by causing a famine. She should have been punished and anna inheriting the empire. Elsa should not have been allowed to get away with it.
Even as someone who used to be so obsessed over Frozen thanks to Elsa by character and Let It Go when it first came out, I knew deep down that it's just an average type of movie, even Tangled is far better in every way.
And we thought Atlantica in Kingdom Hearts 2 was the worst...Haven't been in that fandom for long, has that throne been changed now to Arandelle been possibly the worst in Kingdom Hearts' world?
@@CelestePrimrose at least Donald trying to sing was kind of funny. I've come to appreciate the lighter moments in the post KH3 world. Ariendelle is really the worst, and it actually could have been better before Disney interfered.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 I guess Arendelle need to be congratulated for taking the lead for the worst. I saw a few video talking about how Disney interfered on it and watched the gameplay which is a shame, they sure had planned a different, more classic KH ways on dealing with the Disney's world but I guess new Disney aren't as lenient as the early 00s to give SE such benefits and thus why Arendelle is at this low. Thanks for giving me your opinion and insights on it.
Hans could’ve worked for a twist villain if they edited one scene: When he comes up from the water he grins like he likes her (I highly doubt it was because he liked a challenge because he seems more glad later how easy it was to trick Anna). They could’ve done anything other than this but they *had* to make him more sneaky even though NO ONE WAS LOOKING AT HIM at the time, it doesn’t make sense. The Duke also had a good point but it would’ve been more interesting if he and Hans argued over what to focus on (helping the people survive the cold or finding Elsa to end the winter through diplomacy or force if necessary). That seems way more interesting than Every white guy except for the only other love interest is a terrible human being🤔 Edit: Frozen heart is the only Frozen song I can stand but you’re completely correct about Kristoff’s backstory. A small line later in the movie could change the context of the intro from being an unnecessary waste of time to a necessity because his parents are dead yet he and an orphaned reindeer try to keep up with the rest of the Men. That intro becomes more powerful on rewatches and we have an explanation for why he was there in the first place (his dad could be there but why wouldn’t there be other boys too?)
Yeah, Chrysalis-as-Cadance's smile when she says "Absolutely" in Part 1 of A Canterlot Wedding can definitely be seen as evil. But Hans's in the boat part? Heck no. Mind you, Chrysalis had TWO OTHER PONIES with her, and as you mentioned, Hans was ALONE. What the hey, writers?! Were you thinking anything through at ALL? Heck, speaking of MLP, the twist where Grogar was revealed to be Discord was executed much better than the Hans twist!
This is the only example of me wanting to check out the original source of a Disney movie. The Snow Queen sounds like a fascinating fairy tale, and I think it would have made for a great movie.
There was a kids show that did an episode on the story if you’d like to see an animated version of it. I remember it being pretty good though I can’t remember the name of the show. I can look it up if you’d like to watch it though :)
It already has made for a good movie. There's a 2D animated film from the 1950's that has actors like Kathleen Turner, Mickey Rooney, and Kirsten Dunst (as a child). I recommend you check that out; it's pretty good!
I remember being 12 as well and seeing the movie for the first time and immediately thinking “that’s it? That’s the movie everyone go crazy about?” Until this day I tried many times to enjoy it the same way i do for tangled but I just can’t.
While agreeing to most you say here, I have to point out that the opening sequence clearly shows that Kristoff is all alone. He doesn't belong to the other ice collectors, he's ignored by all of them, they don't pay attention to him or show responsibility for him AT ALL. He's just copying their behaviour so he can find a way to take care of himself, and he doesn't fall behind, he clearly doesn't belong. He's on his own. Then he's adopted by the trolls. That would have been a major problem if they had taken him away from his actual parents, but it's very clear he doesn't have any. That's what connects him to Anna, at least a bit. They're both orphans, and they both grew up mostly alienated from the rest of society.
I love the movie Frozen. I missed out on it in theaters though due to me being very busy with community college at the time. Yet, everyone else endlessly praised it and I saw how wonderfully well it did at the box office , I also happen to be a huge Disney fan myself, and wanted to check out another Disney classic. I got the movie on DVD for Easter and watched it for the first time on my laptop. I absolutely fell in love with it and Anna has been my fifth favorite Disney Princess ever since because I just find her absolutely adorable and she reminds me of me so much. :) I even loved the songs. :) However, there is one thing that I can't deny admitting. Once the movie hit the climax part I literally remember feeling this feeling like, "This is it?" I felt this feeling like I expected so much more. I also happen to be a huge musical fan and even I admitted straight from the beginning that I felt like the songs came in the way of the plot. I have many fond memories of watching this film countless times with the preschoolers when I used to see this movie at the preschool that I worked at. I even have many fond memories of the preschoolers being absolutely in love with the movie. But, I just always felt this feeling like I only watched this movie a lot because of the preschoolers. Don't get me wrong, I do have fond memories of watching the movie myself at home or on a road trip and it always made me feel happy. But, it just always felt like the type of movie that I would just put to the side and watch here and there. It always felt like a great movie but it just never touched the other films that I love so much like The Lion King, Tarzan, Mulan, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Enchanted, Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, and even Moana joined that list once that movie came out. I find myself wanting to watch Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, and Moana so much more and always felt like they had so much more to them and they came out around the time Frozen did before or after. Videos like this here helps explain why. I wonder if I myself also felt like it could have so much more and felt rushed in a way. I'll love to watch the movie again because I do miss it and I do love Frozen 2. But, I always question whether or not I should own it anymore because of how I feel towards it while I don't feel that way at all with the other films that I had just mentioned. Thanks, Aldone, for clarifying my feelings you are the best! EEP! :)
Sorry for the flower background I tried to circumvent copyright last night but didn’t work and I’m so tired right now
It’s okay it happens sometimes.
1. Background reminds me of DK
2. Don’t feel bad about having Elsa as a fictional crush I know someone who had a thing about her
Never got copyright because i got really careful and lucky
just flip the video
@@Garagelab164 also have crush on Elsa and Anna recently like 2 years ago before being a Frozen Fan
A couple things you left out that I think are worth mentioning.
1. Remember when Hans and Anna first meet, specifically when she leaves and he falls in the water. Something that makes his villain twist even more bullshit is his expression as he watches Anna leave. He has a genuine smile. Something he shouldn’t be doing if his intention was murdering both her and Elsa all along. It would be one thing if that smile was an act he was putting on in front of other people, but no, he’s by himself.
2. Why the hell does everyone cheer when Ana punches Hans. As far as they knew, Hans was still a saint who did nothing but help and provide for Arendelle. They should be thinking that Anna just assaulted an innocent man.
They did Hans so dirty it's unbelieveable
3. Hans had no reason to betray Anna. He could kiss her and marry her, then become King when she died. Elsa had effectively exiled herself and was seen as a monster, Hans had NO reason to take her back alive.
@@PlanetZoidstar true. Even if his love for her was completely fake, there were literally zero downsides to just marrying into royalty. Hell even if they kissed and Anna’s frozen heart still killed her, he’d still be in a better position.
@@cordyceps7531 Precisely, none of Hans actions are those of a clever schemer, it more seems he's making it up as he goes and actively working against his goals.
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
I felt that they should've kept Elsa as the villain, but make her a sympathetic one like they did in the musical.
Like have her parent's abuse play a factor into her downward spiral, and once they pass away in the wreck she's on the brink of snapping.
And of course the gloves scene with Anna would be the final nail in the coffin.
Rather than making Hans a straight up villain, he could be morally grey while he'd still be after Anna he wouldn't want to kill her like in the reveal scene, rather he'd try to lock her in the room with the fire in a panic so her condition wouldn't worsen and he'd try to kill Elsa not out of selfishness but because he thinks that's the only way the kingdom and Anna will return to normal.
But of course the ending stays the same Anna saves Elsa and Elsa is redeemed because this is a Disney movie, but Hans wouldn't go to jail because he technically did nothing wrong, he just thought he was doing what was right.
Idk about Frozen 2 though I think that's just unsalvageable.
That's a good reimagining :00
That’s what should’ve happened. I’d be fine if Elsa was redeemed if it still somehow made sense within the context of the story. Someone suddenly turning from a sadistic power-hungry dictator with no redeeming qualities, several g3nocides, and world domination plans into a 4d sympathetic character who eventually redeems themselves would be confusing as f*ck.
Hans should've not done anything wrong
i think that is a good idea and actually can enhance the one of the theme of frozen, which is “the way to hell pave with good intention”. Elsa parent mean well trying to have her repress her power, Elsa mean well when she tried to push away Anna.
@@polarbearstudio90I think he left out the Duke and other supporting characters.
Moana and Tangled are way better than Frozen 1 & 2 combined.
I've never understood why anyone likes Moana. It's so BORING
@@thomasray That's your opinion.
@@thomasrayit's charming
Honestly, Moana is as good as classic Disney 2D movies, and I've only watched it weeks ago. Tangled is great as well, I rewatch it every now and then.
Your comment made me notice that Moana and Tangled actually kinda have the same chain of events and are kind of road trip movies where the middle is exploring. Guarded girl wants more from life than a restrictive parent figure and finds a reluctantly helpful man who guides them there then they find out their purpose. That being said they are both better than Frozen where Frozen was haphazard and janky storytelling.
I feel like another reason why Elsa isn’t a villain has to do with one word, marketability. I don’t want to sound cynical but that’s how modern Disney works, they prefer making a quick buck and playing it safe over taking risks and making stories with genuine passion. This is the reason why most of their recent movies feel mediocre and the writing decisions they make feel stupid and forced.
You saying Disney villains don't make Ash much money as the heroes & princesses??
Still better than any Minions film...
Disney was like
"If Elsa is the antagonist,then no kids will buy toy merchandise of Elsa! Let's take a perfectly written character like Hans and turn him into a twist villain instead"
@@AllenTheAnimator004 no kids ever buy toys of Disney villains? Not even out of the Descendants franchise which is about Disney villain kids???
Elsa is objectively the hottest Disney Princess, with that pure Aryan blood.
I will ALWAYS remember how INSANELY popular Frozen was. It was EVERYWHERE. Movie theatres, on TV, Radio Tapes. It was shown in stores, libraries, concerts, Frozen on Ice, Broadway plays, On UA-cam, Disney Plus & TV. So much Frozen movies, short films, ABC Once Upon A Time, Frozen books, Frozen games, Frozen shirts, Frozen hats, Frozen dresses, Frozen bikes, Frozen snacks, Frozen music CDS, Frozen toys, Frozen costumes, Frozen puzzles. The song LET IT GO playing EVERYWHERE from 100,000,000 times!!😖😖😖
You could never escape it. Frozen was everywhere. It's like it casted a spell on the whole world
I happened to be living in Japan for a few months while Frozen was still at the peak of it's popularity.
To add to your list, there's was a tv show where a camera crew would visit karaoke bars, interview who they could find and challenge them to sing Let It Go.
The objective was to be able to sing well enough to finish the song. If they did poorly, the screen gradually gets darker before fading to black.
This was early into my exposure of it, so I didn't mind watching.
Frozen was something I enjoyed very much Joshua and man I will say it did very well at the box office after it came out in theaters.
Ah. I remember those days.
And when you said you didn't like it people were offended.
That’s the only reason people hate it. Because it got annoyingly popular. I happened to see it the week it came out because my then-sorta-girlfriend had just gotten institutionalized, and I figured I’d see some movies that week to take my mind off things. Didn’t even know what the hell it was about going into it - thought it was just gonna be something about a reindeer and talking snowman - and it ended up becoming my personal favorite non-Pixar Disney animated film (although I recognize that tangled has a better story and is more well-written).
If you look at it by itself, it’s a very fine film. Everyone thought so at the time. Nobody really started hating on it until about a year or two later, long after it already wore out it’s welcome.
Honestly, HC Andersen's The Snow Queen is a masterpiece and still holds up today. Why? Because it's an epic coming-of-age journey about a young girl travelling across Lapland to save her best friend. It's a very proto-feminist story whose main character actually manages to be a better character than anyone in Frozen. For god's sake, why didn't they just keep Elsa a villain? They banked on Elsa for marketing reasons simply because she has superpowers. They even designed her to be prettier than Anna, even though she is supposed to be the main character.
Same with Olaf and Sven the reindeer. Too many side-cutesy characters, twist villains and magic system. Elsa could have been the evil character done right, Anna could have been the hero and then there could have been Kristoff and Sven done right. Even though Kris and Sven aren't part of the OG story, they could have been integrated in a creative way. No trolls. HC Andersen's story on The Snow Queen is very well done and executed. I've read the original The Little Mermaid as well. I love its simple message more than the Disney message. 👍❤
@@hameley12 No Olaf either? You only just mention Sven and Kristoff in terms of side characters.
@@hunterolaughlin Hello! My original comment is somewhere above about Olaf as a character. He wasn't needed. Not my words but my nephew who was five then, is fifteen now. He and my niece still hate this movie for various reasons, and the fact that she was forced to listen to Let It Go by her friends and social media.
The Snow Queen was my favorite non-Disney fairy tale growing up as a kid. When I heard Disney was adapting it, I was sooo excited! Then it came out... and the only similarities between The Snow Queen and Frozen is that there's snow and there's a queen. My disappointment was immeasurable. At least The Little Mermaid cartoon got most of the story beats down, even though it changed the ending.
@@hameley12 You didn’t mention Olaf could be done right in your list of characters that could’ve been done better. And while he isn’t my favorite Disney sidekick, he does have some integral part in the story that you missed: Saving Anna’s life by putting firewood in the fireplace at the risk of killing or melting himself and his words “Some people are worth melting for” is what helps Anna realize that true love doesn’t need to be getting a kiss from a true love, but sacrificing yourself for another to save them, which builds up to when she inevitably stops Hans from killing her sister at the cost of freezing over.
The only way to rationally explain Hans' behavior within the confines of the story is to suggest that he really WAS a good guy until the trolls used magic on him to turn him into a villain. There's even a line in that stupid song "get the fiancee out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed."
At first, I was gonna add Kristoff here, to make him a Kovu, a bad guy, who fell in love with Anna, but instead, I think if we remove Kristoff, have Hans be her real true love, and have Anna and Olaf as the only two on the adventure
I would have Hans be the good guy, but finds out about the trolls being sketchy sooner, but not get corrupted by them
@@DivineChaos204 i like that
@@DivineChaos204 i like that
You are pretty right in that regard.
I believe this 100%. I wish Disney just did an Enchanted and have the kiss not work, but Anna and Hans remain friends 😢
When I watched for the first time with my sister, we were suspecting Hans to be the actual villain and kept an eye on him. He had A LOT of opportunities, including one that he saved Elsa for one of the guards invading the palace, when he could act slow, let her die and say it was an accident and marry Ana. To me is clear that the ONLY reason Frozen got the Oscar was because the ice palace scene in Let it Go. Animating ice like that was a big technical achievement ate the time.
The ice scenes are pretty, and bring a sense of wonder to the film, but they really just show how much missed opportunity this movie had. A lot of the supporting characters like Hans and Kristoff felt very rushed, Olaf and the trolls were just annoying, and it really felt like the movie was being carried by the songs. Frozen 2 had all these problems as well, and to a greater degree, with some legit good songs, but otherwise a very rushed script, and way too many characters that were completely undeveloped. I have zero faith that Frozen 3 will be any different.
What's funny is that Rise of the Guardians released the year before on a smaller budget and it still has better ice textures than Frozen. The Croods also released the same year as Frozen and it has a better story, yet lost the Oscar. The animation category of the Academy Awards is a popularity contest, nothing more.
@@AnimaVox_ Rise of the Guardians is super underrated, much like a lot of Dreamworks films
U2 Deserves The Oscar
@@AnimaVox_Most underrated DreamWorks film.
I won't criticize fans of it, because taste is subjective, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really do much to stand out in the Disney catalog. The character designs look like they were made in a doll factory and not from an artist's particular style, it's visually underwhelming (Brave might be one of Disney-Pixar's lesser movies, but it is much more appealing on a visual level), and the music and lyrics are just very generic compared to what Phil Collins or Elton John or Alan Menkin and Howard Ashman, or even the Sherman brothers did.
It's a shame it deviated so far from the original concept of the Snow Queen story, because that is a wonderful tale. Faerie Tale Theater's live action adaptation is gorgeous.
Agree. They did not give credit or a short mention of the Sami people either. There is another YT creator who is a Sami descendant and tells through her storytelling how her people's background is overshadowed by cutesy snowmen and magic and love twists. Much of the clothing, design, culture, and mythos is slammed there to make the "princesses" pretty. There are actual princesses and princes in Switzerland; they look/feel more complex, have unique facial structures, and are real.
But we know of Disney better and we expect much less every year on their research. I can't wait to see someone else tackle the Frozen Queen in another film with a better story arc and character design/background. Hopefully, another film house can make the Snow Queen more complex and evil.
@hameley12 also, I especially loathe how Frozen Ever After replaced Maelstrom at WDW. I *loved* that boat ride through Norway, to this day I want to go there because of Maelstrom. And now it's just a tacky piece of overexposed IP designed ti make little kids shriek for the toys and dolls.
I'm glad you mentioned Brave, it's seriously underrated imo
I think it's about time we all admit that Frozen hasn't aged well with time.
@@TheRealPSKilla502I honestly don't get all the criticism. It's a gorgeous movie, one of only a few animated films that's inspired by Celtic mythology, and the voice cast is great. And it has its own style, Merida doesn't look like she was designed as a toy first and a movie character second.
I like the theory that Hans isn't evil until the moment the magical trolls sing "get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed!"
I always knew these little bastards couldnt be trusted.
They cursed this poor bastard. Really evil creatures indeed.
I hate those ugly little demons. Easily the worst part of the movie.
I was gonna make them the villains to corrupt Elsa, and make Kristoff a Kovu
@@DivineChaos204 Already better than what the movie did.
Honestly, "Let It Go" could have still been a villain song. Even though it sounds upbeat, it's upbeat for her, because she has let go and uses her ice powers putting Arendelle in danger. They should have had something in the end of the song that sounded foreboding to indicate that Elsa is not to be admired.
Let It Go has always been a villain song to me. The lyrics are entirely self-centered and I'm shocked more people haven't noticed how selfish Elsa seems during that whole scene. When I first watched it, I remember thinking, "Wow, she's just going to abandon her subjects like that to fend for themselves during a potentially fatal environmental crisis? Wow."
@@AnimaVox_ Well to be fair she apparently didn't know about the fatal crisis but even after she chooses to stay
@@10thletter40 I assume it's because she thought that she would make things worse if she returned to Arendelle, (after all her powers were uncontrollable) and probably also thought that rather than let her help, the citizens would just imprison and/or kill her, which they actually did try to do
@@hearmeout1767 Yes, but do you know the real question?
WHERE SHE GOT HER FOOD! My goodness she is living in a castle far beyond everyone, she's already incredibly thin and frail, like even if she freezes meat like it is winter, she has nothing dried, nothing preserved, she's up on a mountain so no fish are present for other important nutrients
You definitely have a good point though
@@10thletter40 I have NO idea where she got her food.. maybe because she's some sort of magical spirit she doesn't need it? 😂
I can appreciate Disney not wanting to do a super dark story about two sisters where one is the ACTUAL villain and not a misunderstood one, but making the villain be Hans instead was a horrible choice. They literally HAD a villain already with Westleton, and he would have made sense as the villain too. But no, Disney tossed Westleton aside and weaseled Hans in. An incredibly dumb move for sure.
Also Elsa staying isolated forever on that mountain makes ZERO logical sense. She needs to eat and drink, and she's literally living in a snow-capped mountain with an eternal winter to boot. I don't think she would have lasted long there :T
HOW TF DID I NOT REALIZE THAT LAST BIT UNTIL JUST NOW?!?!?!?!?!
It legit ever entered my mind that Elsa running away would literally kill her 💀 bruh how did I not even think about that
the cold doesn't bother her anyway.
food, though? you got me
Hans didn't have to be the villain. Here's what I believe they should have done. Hans meet Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. They don't have to have an instant romance but a friendship. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away with Hana looking for her under separate terms from Anna while Weaselton takes over the throne. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where Hans runs for Elsa and Kristoff for Anna, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests! A simple solution!
Also, does Elsa really believe that isolation is what she needs? This is something many have stated was never explored. Because considering the implications of the song Let It Go, it kind of comes of as seeking emotional reconciliations with those who care about you being a bad thing, as well as running away from your problems. The scenes when she's all alone before Anna comes in implies she is perfectly fine. SO what kind of message is this suppose to send? Especially since the movie's climax implies that not being the case and how "love is the answer the whole time"? So then WHY couldn't Elsa learn that before?
I kind of wish that the film would have some scene where Elsa is in her castle, trying to think of activities for herself to do. Maybe she even sees that her magic can make snow people come alive and tries making magical friends, only to realize that it's not the same, and she's still not happy. Only for her anguish to lead for her power to cause her ice/snow creations to turn into monsters, heck maybe even turn into Marshmallow (her giant snow monster guard), only to see that Marshmallow is acting all angry and mean due to the fact that just like Elsa, he has nobody. Kind of make this a scene similar to Groot, King Shark, The Iron Giant, or even the Rockbiter's (Neverending Story) "big, good, strong hands" monologue. Well not that any of those four have anything in common but you get the point....
But just show that Elsa is actually more miserable being alone and when Anna does come back she does consider only to be reminded of her past, therefore tries to lie to herself in why she can't return home. Other movies like The Lion King and Prince of Egypt did this much better.
THANK YOU, ELSA AND ANNA’s PARENTS SUCK SO MUCH- I was so surprised that they were seen in a good light in Frozen 2 for whatever freaking reason, they literally created a cell specifically for their daughter that Hans uses in Frozen 1, since there’s was no way in hell he just knew Elsa had ice powers and that it was a good idea to cover her hands in chains- Nor Elsa nor Anna deserved the parents they had I swear to God
Schaffrilas said something similar in his Frozen 2 video on how it was “troubling” (or something similar) that the parents would be seen in a good light in the second movie, given what they basically did in the first movie
I think those cuffs that were in the cell were an actual thing from back in the olden days. But yeah Elsa and Anna’s parents were awful. Elsa’s no.1 enemy was fear and they made Elsa afraid of herself. Also why didn’t they objects to the trolls changing Anna’s memories? Wouldn’t it be better for Anna to know and fully understand Elsa’s powers?
@@silashurd3597YES!
@@thegiantbeagle The more you think about it the more awful they become in my opinion, honestly I know it wasn't intentional but it kind of felt that Frozen 2 tries to justify the obvious emotional abuse by emotional negligence from their parents
I know some people might think calling it abuse might be taking it too far, but as someone who was emotionally neglected I definitely have grown to relate to Elsa (even if I personally believe she is not written well at all and I also believe she would have been better as a villain, an actual good sympathetic villain but a villain non the less) learning to keep all her emotions inside because that was one of the things one of my caregivers tried to "teach me" as a child, poor girl cannot even look at a window and just stare happily at the distance because it makes her not control her ice powers
It feels a bit relatable to me because I couldn't even simply even laugh at times and needed to learn to even keep that inside, when it's totally necessary for kids to learn hot to express emotions in a healthy way, something that Elsa and Anna's parents definitely didn't also do
It ends up feeling like poor Elsa cannot even express simple happiness at all because it makes her "lose control of her powers" to the point she just looks miserable when her parents leave, yeah she looks more miserable when they died, but honestly she just doesn't look happy in general, it feels like they just thought her to be miserable and obviously feel complete permanent fear in losing control, like we all know, and then tried to pretend they were such brave and stunning parents in the second movie, I know I might a bit biased here because of my personal experiences. But I swear this emotional negligence definitely extends to Anna too, just like mentioned in this video, they don't even help poor Anna in anything and they seem to even pretend she just isn't there and give her the love that she also deserves, it's obvious it wasn't intentional, but intentional or not they still definitely abused Anna too. Also the memories point also sucks so much who even though of that, it definitely makes more sense to let Anna know and help Elsa with her situation. Is like if some parents had a sick child and decided to not explain to their other child that their siblings is sick and just tried to leave them "happily ignorant" at the situation while also at the same time giving more attention to the sick child and neglecting the other one, it makes zero sense.
Honestly they could have at least given the parents at least some type of remarkable quality in Frozen 2, but all the actual good content got literally cut out from the movie, so we can't even have that, it would have honestly let them be in a more neutral position for me instead of the "justifiable abusers according to Disney" on my book if I'm being honest
Also thank you for the historical fact, I might look more into it! Of course that doesn't make them suck any less but at least it gave them one less remarkable quality! And now I'm kinda genuinely wondering why would people had an actual need for chains like that in actual real historical events..I think you gave me a random topic to entertain myself with, thanks!
*Deep breath* Thank yooooooou
Much as I applaud their "Let It Go"-inspired decision not to make Elsa a villain, the creators seem unaware that there's a middle ground between "malicious villain" and "passive, insecure, suffering mess". Throughout Elsa's scenes it felt as though they were holding back, painstakingly avoiding even the faintest hint of spite or even momentary malicious pleasure on Elsa's part. There is never a moment beyond the "Let It Go" sequence itself when Elsa _actually lets it go._ "Let It Go" explicitly announces that from this point onwards, she's going to enjoy her powers and put on a more confident act, _but she never does._ Elsa remains just as timid and self-loathing as before, her behaviour never changes. And enjoying her powers, even at the cost of others, doesn't even necessarily make her a villain. You don't have to make her cross any unforgivable lines - she could pursue a temporary vindictive streak - a scary one, but one during which no one is seriously hurt - before realising that what she's doing is wrong. That would have made her an infinitely more layered and dynamic character. As it is, she feels like a squandered opportunity.
But she was gonna be a morally-gray villain like John Silver in Treasure Planet. Wouldn't you want her to be the antagonist instead of a "misunderstood heroine"?
@@1992disney I wouldn't mind either, to be honest. "Misunderstood heroine" can work very well when it's handled with care. Whichever slot she would end up fitting, I simply think she needed a more creative and daring character arc. After "Let It Go", she could temporarily have become an amoral trickster, enjoying and furthering the chaos without ever crossing into outright malice. She needn't go as far as John Silver into actual villainy - she just really needed to leave the victim-slot.
@@thesardonicpig3835 But John Silver really doesn't have to be the only morally-gray Disney villain, you know. There's always room for more. Unfortunately, Disney's too scared to create anymore antagonists like Silver for obvious reasons.
@@1992disney Haha, in my opinion Silver is the best standalone character Disney's ever created (except Frollo, who is on par). I would even dare to say that he's more compelling than the book original.
Elsa as a morally grey villain would have been great to see. If she had gone on to being an actual villain after "Let It Go", the first act would have been a phenomenal origin story. Having her as a villain would also have given them more freedom in exploring her character.
@@thesardonicpig3835 Exactly. Now you're talking.
I was actually one of the few who wasn't crazy about Frozen when it first came out, like, I thought it was ok, but it was kinda annoying to watch cause I couldn't get over the writing and how awkward it was at some parts. I also felt it had too many songs, like, I was ready to see Anna and Elsa actually talk when Anna comes upon her castle and they break out into song instead... I was also surprised they never did anything with Elsa and Kristoff cause he was introduced as the ice guy. He loves ice. Elsa's magic is tied to ice. What were they thinking never even having them talk?
Please do not try and tell me that the reprise for the First Time in Forever was a mistake. That song is the highlight of the entire story, my good sir.
There seemed to be a lot of foreshadowing of Elsa and Kristoff. As "Everything Wrong With" said; Two good guys, two good girls; and the duke can be the villain"
Agree. When the movie came out I said, “Of course the movie is good, Disney doesn’t put out crap. But Tangled is 1000 times better.”
IKR? I watched it on my laptop in college when I first saw it, and at first it wasn’t bad, but not good. I was actually super disappointed in it with how many people went crazy over it, especially that stupid song. Legit if you took the song out, I think Frozen would’ve become one of the biggest flops became of how terrible it is. Tbh I don’t even like Anna and Kristoff as a couple BECAUSE of how their relationship is written, and seriously don’t understand why a lot of people really like Kristoff as a Disney prince. Anna is so immature and annoying half the movie with absolutely no idea what she’s doing, and especially when her horse runs away, if Kristoff didn’t agree to help her, she would’ve died several times in the movie because of how naive she is. Plus Kristoff has a very poorly written backstory: he’s been harvesting ice ever since he was 4 or so and doesn’t have anyone except Sven, and ends up getting adopted by a bunch of rocks who don’t just reveal themselves to anyone. When Kristoff meets her, he mutters about this is why he doesn’t trust other people, but they don’t dig into why he’s a lone wolf who prefers to be by himself with Sven. And especially the trolls song Fixer Upper, oh my gosh this made me dislike Anna and Kristoff even more as a couple because it completely contradicts Kristoff’s whole statement of Anna being so foolish for wanting to marry a dude she barely knows, but the trolls don’t even know her and can already tell she’s the perfect girl for him, even trying to marry them on the spot instead of helping Anna who is literally dying in front of them. I don’t even get what exactly Kristoff even likes about Anna that he ends up falling in love with her aside her impulsive nature and doesn’t make fun of his passion for ice. And on top of that, she still believes she’s in love with Hans, and was fully willing to marry him and everything. The scene would’ve worked so much better if it showed them kissing, but it failed because Anna just doesn’t actually love him and has genuine feelings for Kristoff instead, just didn’t want to admit it. And it could’ve worked a lot better with Hans being a good guy who is sad Anna doesn’t love him, instead of him being a twist villain because of how he behaves in the entire movie up until this point.
I never got why so many people loved Frozen, and its such a steaming pile of crap that doesn’t deserve to be critically appraised and so beloved. Legit Tangled is a thousand times better than Frozen
I'm not sure why everyone is acting like this was an unpopular opinion. I distinctly remember almost everyone above the age of 14 hating the film.
Problems with Frozen(containing some conspiracy theories) :
1. The executives problem wanted Elsa to be a good guy instead of a bad guy for merchandise reasons. Even though Anna has pretty outfits throughout the film, Elsa's Let It Go dress is more sparkly. This would make Frozen more marketable to little girls.
2. The reason Frozen was so successful was because people were really craving a new Disney movie.
3. Disney adults. Need I say more.
4. Tumblr and other social media at the time
5. The film definitely looks rushed. The story feels like the first draft of a fanfiction about the Snow Queen instead of a fully fleshed out narrative.
6. It lacks foreshadowing, especially with Hans as the villain. There is absolutely no foreshadowing about Hans's intentions. It definitely feels like they just slapped the role of villain on him at the ladt minute.
7. Elsa has more motivations to become a villain than Hans, obviously. Even though Hans has many brothers, he can always marry. Princess from a neighboring kingdom. It doesn't have to be Arendelle.
8. They could've gotten more inspiration from the original Snow Queen.
9. Kristoff had a weak and nearly nonexistent backstory.
10. The trolls were stupid
11. I hate Olaf. Sorry guys.😅
There is 2 foreshadowed moments for Han's villian arc:
"I've been searching my whole life to FIND my OWN place" song lyrics in Love is an Open Door
Then, the blink and you'll miss it Hans points the harpoon to the chandelier that crashes on Elsa in her castle.
But yeah, these are so minor and easy to miss it still makes the twist feel like an ass-pull 😂
You hit the nail on the head with most of the problems with Frozen.
@@normadgarmez7026 Why do you like Elsa more than Anna even though they're BOTH POORLY-WRITTEN?
@@phoebevaughan5095I quite agree. They really should've read through the script before animating.
There’s a bit where Anna says it’s “just me” and Hans repeats “just me?” And has a quizzical expression on his face, it seems like then he sees her low self esteem then and figures out that she would be easy to manipulate.
Also the whole song love is an open door is him following her prompts and making it look like they instantly get each other.
Eg. he feeds her the line “we finish each other’s..” she throws him of by saying “sandwiches” and so he runs with it singing “that’s what I was going to say” I doubt he was going to say sandwiches.
It’s quite subtle but if you’ve ever met someone like that who makes an amazing 1st impression and it just seems like they’re so in tune with you, but then months or years down the line you’re trying to escape them, I think it would be easier to see it.
As a survivor of almost fatal sibling abuse, Frozen is EXTREMELY triggering.
I remember walking away from the theater thinking the movie felt like a rough draft that one of my siblings wrote, because they wanted to be a hot-mess and the hero at the same time. I've never watched this movie again in full. Even seeing snips of it makes me super uncomfortable. I don't think anyone on the staff knew what it actually feels like to come inches from death because your sibling can't control themselves. I'm still struggling with it, because I wasn't allowed to feel anything. I was told if I didn't act like nothing happened, then that'd make me a rude, self-centered brat, when all my siblings were struggling worse with their disorders.
Never watched the sequel, but the second hand descriptions I've heard of it made me even more uncomfortable.
To this day, I believe the only reason Frozen did so well is because, to an aspiring and developing young mind, Elsa is an attractive power-fantasy. You can get rid of everything else and the movie would have done well as long as there was a character with powers kids could project themselves on to.
I can't speak for your experience, but regardless of my own feelings for the film, there was apparently SOMETHING that made this film become Disney (not Pixar's) first film to make $1 billion. Even the company didn't expect that. Aside from addictive music, I think it's because this was the first time where a Disney film focused predominantly on the sibling relationship rather than it being a subplot. In fact, Anna and Elsa were originally not related, but the plot wasn't moving forward quickly enough and the team thought they needed something to connect them, and someone threw out sisters. Personally I took their relationship as a metaphor for strained relationships rather than abusive ones (though it can be both, and Frozen 2 covers Anna's codependency as a result of her upbringing. She has a really emotional song about it). Elsa was a villain, then a villain-turned-hero, and then finally a hero because the writers felt like the time allotted wasn't enough to evolve Elsa in that way.
BTW, your PFP is gorgeous!
@@OpticalSorcerer I second to this as well. There really was something special about the narrative of Disney Princesses as sisters when it first came out, and one of them was an ice queen that a lot of people can project themselves into. People say this makes Elsa a hollow character, but it only seems that way because most of Elsa's unique qualities can be discerned by looking between the lines. Elsa becomes a fascinating character also because she has Anna as a sister, and Anna becomes an interesting character because of Elsa in return. These sisters became an icon in the decade for a reason. There are still parts of the Frozen movie I would like to improve writing wise, but for what it was, it was indeed a massive success.
Heck, this is a similar reason why the Mario movie today succeeded. Both Frozen and Mario were a spectacle movie first and narrative second. Mario is very fresh today during the current movie climate of Hollywood sequels and mediocre movie fatigue, even though the Mario movie doesn't have a strong narrative in itself. Frozen was fresh in its time because it was mostly the start of the Disney trope subversion, and the movie was written well enough to be entertaining in that regard featuring two Disney princesses as sisters that was never done before.
I won't be surprised if the next decade of 2030, people will look back at the Mario movie and trash it for how flawed it really was narrative-wise, and that what's currently happening today for Frozen. Nowadays, it's really easy to forget the magic that Frozen first brought to the worldwide stage and what made it special to begin with, despite its flaws. Jennifer Lee really struck gold with that movie, even though she wasn't the only one of the brains to really credit within that production.
@@BuizelCream I think most people write off Elsa too quickly. Due to the fact that her main arc(s) revolve around acceptance of her powers, we don't get to know about any interests outside of that--and the same can be said of Anna.
I really am excited to see Frozen 3 break the mold because now Elsa is in a good place and we know the origins of her powers. We'll get to see more of her and Anna's personalities (and hopefully more from Kristoff since he was left out a significant amount of time in Frozen 2).
Frozen experienced what happens with a lot of popular movies; it gets a lot of love, and those who found it fine/awful double down on their dislike for it because they don't get/agree with why people like it (I know from experience). Frozen 2 was a weird one; it suceeded due to a darker narrative and being tied to a phenomenon, as well as being released at a time when it had little competition from other films. Had they waited, COVID and other films would've affected their box office negatively. The soundtrack even re-entered the billboard hot 200--something the first didn't do. Yet it feels awfully...underrated, I suppose?
May you get healing and I hope your sibling got help.
so sorry to hear this.
Honestly I trust Hans a lot more than Elsa or Anna to lead that little kingdom. I mean, look at the story: he is without a doubt the most mature character, and clearly has been trained for leading by a royal family.
Hans is unironically a better leader than Anna and Elsa, and it's truly embarassing how a movie that's supposed to be about "girl power" or whatever makes its female leads so self-absorbed, irresponsible and incompetent.
IKR.
That's just sad. It's great that the two sisters learned to properly communicate and care for each other but that's not what their kingdom needs 😂 Honestly, I am not convinced that Elsa can be this competent and capable queen when we were told at the beginning that she grew up in closed doors and the very first time she's in public for a long time (for her coronation), she freaked out so badly she run away, isolates herself, build an ice castle, protects herself from intruders and finally, she was kidnapped and was brought back in the kingdom. What a rollercoaster ride for her.
Clearly, she NEVER wanted to be a queen. The 2 sisters reconciling is great but throughout the whole movie, Hans seems to be the one who genuinely care for Arendelle and its citizens. After Anna made him in charge temporarily, he takes this responsibility seriously. We even have a scene of him helping and comforting some ordinary citizens. Elsa never wanted to become a queen. Anna just wanted to be free. And I just can't see any of them ruling a kingdom.😂
@@queenberuthiel5469 lol the king and queen were too busy keeping them isolated than teaching them how to be proper future rulers. 😅 again that also shows their own capabilities as leaders/parents
@@AnimaVox_ Agreed
Eh....he seems a little too perfect to be totally trustworthy though.
I can give you one good reason to feel bad for Hans. He was a good-hearted character who "somehow" was hijacked by bad writers towards the end of the movie. Can' blame someone for being possessed.
This is why you read through your script and make it the best it can be before animating. Think of it like considering chopping down a tree; once you do, it can't be brought back.
Hans character could have worked just fine if he wasn't the villain, he was just someone who wanted to be a leader, like a good king, but since he had such a distant claim that he had to go off and marry into another kingdom. Like don't have him evil, just gunning for a relationship and being untrue to himself in the process, like Aladdin in his Prince Ali guise or what they would accuse Ariel of trying to change for someone else. The love's kiss doesn't work because it's more like well wishing or friendship he could kind of feel, where Anna's real chemistry can still be with Kristoff and you could even still let the true love be with Elsa.
Hans being a wrong path but not evil would actually have had more depth.
i have idea that i think would be more interesting: make him an antivillain. have him be a good man willing to do evil for the greater good. what if he tried to kill elsa because he genuinely believed it would stop the endless winter and cure anna? it would go from one dimensional villainy to a desperate attempt to save the city and prove himself
Now that would have been nice. Like have him panic when the love kiss didn't cure Anna. And then and there he gets the idea to kill Elsa. He runs out the room with Anna yelling to him to not kill Elsa, only for it to fall on deaf ears.
Everything else that could've been done with Hans' character, would've been much better than what we got!
I mean, we all do know the whole, stranger guy or falling in love in first day, is Disney's own ego to make fun of themselves and their deceased creator! not that I disagree with that moral (I'm like number 1 hater of any romance that starts with just a bit flirting and smiling and kissing in first or second day) but it's still ego and arrogance and hypocritical.
But the thing is Hans not being Anna's true love or vice versa (which I would appreciate) is not necessarily him being evil the way movie wanted to make us believe. more painful than that, Hans wanting to take over throne was also not exactly an excuse to be evil! He could marry Anna, or Elsa. in reality, Elsa would soon loose it and abdicate the throne and even if she didn't, Hans' life would've been much better as the second direct succession line than the way he's treated in his kingdom. or he or other circumstances in the movie would eventually force Elsa to abdicate. none of this means, he's a psychotic murder man! (if Disney really really wanted to teach children a healthy lesson, why not showing them a glimpse of how politicians and royalties used to work back in old days? why not making them see the dark side of monarchy and it's not always black and white situation that they can directly chose one to root for?) especially when you look at it wisely and realize that Hans was much better choice for the throne than either Elsa or Anna and can be much better king than either of them and their parents combined.
now that I remember the memories of old days in 2014 when all of Frozen petty fans hated Hans and acted like anything about him, his actions and entire movie makes little sense, I just wish I could go back and punch them in the face that tell them how stupid they are
@@Underworlder5 Yeah, we'd have another character like Tails Nine, a complex and multidimensional character with an understandable viewpoint. But no; they just had to make him a mustache-twirling villain solely so the movie could have a mustache-twirling villain. 🤦♀️
They didn't make the fact that Hans never liked Anna believable. Instead of saying he never loved her, he could've delayed helping Anna knowing that she'd try to stop him from killing Elsa, believing that she'd see his actions as correct in the future. Elsa was proven to be dangerous and Hans was convinced he was doing what was necessary to save everyone instead of trying to usurp Arendelle.
Yeah, there are a heck ton of things they could've done to make it work. Why go with the. Worst. Possible. Thing?
Oh yeah, I forgot, they wanted to release the film as early as possible just to make a quick buck. I understand their greedy minds!
You have no idea how happy I am that a lot of people are finally starting to see the flaws Frozen has. I remember seeing this movie EVERYWHERE to the point that I hated it for the sake of hating it. And when I finally watched it, I thought it was crap, especially with Hans being a twist villain.
Nowadays I don't hate the movie as much as I did back then, but it always baffles me how it became so popular.
I think the same as you. It also makes let it go feel like a villian song.
@@AtesSu2006. Let it go would have made a great villain song if they made it upbeat in the beginning, but as it progress, the tone changes where it becomes dark (or something like that idk 😅)
@@mariellewinksYeah, the movie Cats Don't Dance did that with Big and Loud, so why couldn't Disney?
@jaredjams4267 It baffles and infuriates me. It's just so insulting and condescending to much better-made movies, it's not even funny.
Still pissed that at the last minute they shoe horned in hans to be the bad guy. That dude genuinely cared for Anna and they had to fuck it up cause whoever was in charge liked the song let it go.
That would have to be ex-CCO of Disney Animation Studios, John Lasseter.
Did they know that villains can be SYMPATHETIC? Just because someone is sympathetic doesn’t mean they can’t be a villain.
@@d1kgaws12 Yeah; look at Tails Nine from Sonic Prime!
Also, did you notice the Duke who was nothing but distrustful of Anna as soon as Hans turns evil and Anna has "died" the guy acts like he's losing his own child, and his planned murder of Elsa is just forgotten 😂
@@phoebevaughan5095 Listen, Disney, when the end of Trail Mix-Up--which literally has, in the real world, Mount Rushmore coming to life and then Roger Rabbit accidentally making the Earth DEFLATE--makes more sense than the entire plot of a 90-something movie like this one, you're doing something wrong!
Knowing what Hans' story was SUPPOSED to be, especially with the abusive family and how that could've paralleled so well with Anna (but contrasted if Elsa ended up being redeemed), THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO GOOD!
People complain about Frozen 2 being poorly written with underbaked characters, but why were people surprised? Frozen has the same issues.
Actually it seems like the team that works on Frozen has a continuous problem of not knowing what to do with their characters. Seems like they’re good idea people but they could have benefited from some more experienced writers.
Frozen 2 tried to go too big.
From what I can discern, the Frozen movies' head writer Jennifer Lee is more of an intuitive writer, who probably doesn't rely on methodological writing systems to structure her story. In other words, she doesn't do outlining.
This explains why it took her so long to figure out the concrete identity of the voice who's calling Elsa in the sequel for example (but Jennifer was very certain of the metaphorical purpose of what impact the voice brings to her characters, which is Elsa and Anna).
In the writing community, intuitive writers have their unique strengths. They rely on discovery writing techniques to figure out the story as they go, rather than planning the details and plotpoints meticulously ahead of time before typing down the 1st draft. Because of this, I believe that Jennifer not figuring out who was calling Elsa from Attohallan very early in the drafting process should be given a lot of slack from people who have been bashing her over this.
When you investigate Jennifer Lee's drafting style, she often writes the Frozen movie scripts first as literature writing, like she's writing a novel. This kind of explains why the Frozen films (especially its sequel) tends to be quite devoid of punchy dialogues, which should be the main vehicle that drives the story forward when it comes to movies.
I'm not saying that this contributes to why her characters feel underbaked, but because of this most of the interesting character aspects of Anna and Elsa for example tend to only be discerned when you read their on-screen interactions between the lines. (This is where YT Disney movie analysts and theorists are so helpful.)
If Frozen was written like a novel by Jennifer Lee, most of the rich character interactions will be found through narration and description most likely, rather than through dialogue exchanges between characters.
It has been a long commentary talking point that Jennifer Lee and her team are indeed good idea people, but the problem isn't really about them being incompetent or lacking writing experience. They just need a better screenwriter to translate their good ideas that will be better suitable for a film media.
@@BuizelCream It makes SENSE now holy shit 😮That's why Frozen 2 is so bad. Also, I've read somewhere that it was written from the end. Meaning that Lee came up first with the ending and then they just made the rest of the movie "fit". Maybe Frozen 3 will be actually better? Since she's not writing it this time.
@@lysander3459 I have hopes that Frozen 3 can be good now since a different creative team is handling it so far that's being told. Although, I still wonder if these new writers are gonna be about writing good stories FIRST over messaging. Agenda-driven movies tend to flop seriously hard nowadays because of being exposed for what they are, so... 😬
But back in Frozen 2, Jennifer Lee did have an ending in mind for that sequel, thus has clearly gone discovery writing to that kind of ending for being an intuitive writer. It explains a lot why there was a lot of heavy revisions along the way during its production. For example, Elsa was supposed to never be resurrected in the sequel after she died in Ahtohallan, thus Arendelle gets destroyed. That's a big deal of a plotpoint. And this idea got stuck in production long enough that concept arts and storyboards were already made for it, and lines have been recorded. But then it was later changed. (This was an example of a major plotpoint revision that happened outside the coverage of the Making of Into the Unknown docuseries due to it occuring before the start of 2019, which was when the docuseries began its first episode.)
This discovery writing style of Jennifer Lee was also applied back in the 1st Frozen as well. That film's whole script was suddenly being rewritten when Let It Go came late into the picture. But to give her slack where it's due, the 1st Frozen film had a more powerful set of production team compared to the circumstances surrounding the sequel despite Jennifer Lee still being primarily responsible for writing these two movies. John Lasseter was still around for the 1st Frozen. He was responsible for a lot of quality creative control when he was the chief creative officer of Disney (and Pixar) movies under his era. But during the sequel, Jennifer Lee was then the chief creative officer for all animated Disney theatrical movies. So, Jennifer also being busy overseeing other projects, like for Encanto's production under Lin Manuel Miranda, while simultaneously working on Frozen 2 set for a 2019 theatrical release date may have clearly robbed her of her creative writing time and focus, and could've caused the production of the Frozen sequel to be quite strained by comparison to the 1st one.
I can't say that Jennifer is a bad writer myself. Intuitive writers tend to discover concrete good ideas and be able to execute them well as they write on the go. But for Jennifer Lee as the individual herself, she does really need a good co-writer to help execute her ideas that translates well into film.
For example, she was also involved in the creative writing process during the 1st Wreck It Ralph (a better movie). Although she was not the head writer of a team of 4 writers there, but that movie benefited with the contribution of her ideas due to working with these other talented people who were filmmakers.
If Jennifer Lee is somehow involved in Frozen 3, I do hope that she'll be the executive producer for it primarily, overseeing the accuracy of the interpretation of how her characters like Elsa and Anna are written for these new writers, in order to maintain the core magic of why Frozen worked as the iconic movie franchise it has now become.
That's what I thought when it came to Frozen 2. I remember hearing all these complaints about it not being written very well and the story and characters being underdeveloped, and all I was thinking was, "Where were you people when the first movie came out? The original Frozen had all the same problems."
As someone who adores The Snow Queen, watching Frozen for the first time as a child just left me feeling hollow. I wish they stayed with the villain Elsa plot, because at least it would be closer to the original fairy tale instead of whatever this was.
What irks me the most is that the fairy tale was already a platonic love story to because the protag, Gerda, and the kidnapping victim, Kai, (though in some versions he was less so kidnapped and more so accidentally taken) were both children, possibly no older than 12. Sure they do kiss, but not on the lips or in a romantic context.
What did the movie do? Name two random characters after them that you probably wouldn't have noticed upon first watching. Like come on, they didn't even name the King and Queen after them. And the villain is named after the guy who write the Snow Queen, and the Little Mermaid! The same Little Mermaid that inspired the movie that started the Disney Reinaince. I know they're just names, but it certainly feels like the writers are spitting on Hans Christian Andersen's grave with that last choice.
Funny story, when I first watch Frozen I actually wondered if I was watching the right movie because it opening text was something along the lines of 'Inspired by the Snow Queen', but there was no mention to the Demon Mirror. I can understand if the Demon Mirror was cut because it is literally a mirror made by demons, but setting up the vague concept of an item like the Demon Mirror could have explained Hans' heel turn into a villain at the very least.
About the writers spitting on H.C. Andersen’s grave by naming the villian of this movie after him(and this is coming from someone who still kinda likes both films)…
Hans is also the ONLY Disney character, that’s implied to be Danish(I wrote this as a reply on another Aldone video, but since it pretty much became unnoticed, I’m writing it here again), JUST LIKE H.C. ANDERSEN, HIMSELF!
I know, some sources claim that he’s Scottish, but “Westergaard” is a DANISH surname, and as a Dane myself(with Norwegian roots and family members), I just don’t know what to say!
Kai/Gerda's bond was my favorite part of the story. I think it's really powerful to have a little girl embark on a journey to save a boy through the power of friendship. It's so rare to see something like that which isn't motivated by romance or family. I watched the behind the scenes for Frozen and they never explained the choice to get rid of Kai. It seems like trying to make the story focus on Gerda/Snow Queen's relationship has been their plan in the past 20 years, out of the 70 years that Frozen has been in development.
I can understand wanting to develop a relationship between these 2 considering Gerda has never even met SQ in the original story, but why did they remove Kai? He's the whole reason why the journey even happens. Saving him is the plot. What is the point in deleting his role and giving it to SQ? I'd give anything to have an alternative version of Frozen where Elsa's characterization is transferred to Kai and just make SQ a separate villain. That would've been a nice adaptation that retains the complex character that Elsa brings while still being a faithful reinterpretation.
The more I think of Frozen, the more I realize how terrible the plot is. It hinges on nonsense, and I never found Elsa to be anything good at all. To see her praised everywhere has never made sense to me.
You can literally salvage a ton of the premise if you just fix Hans. Such as this:
Hans is the 12th prince of the Kingdom of whatever. Being the youngest, he is very like Anna; naïve, a bit immature, his head in the clouds. He does not think being King is that hard of a job and doesn't understand why his oldest brothers treat the station with such seriousness. His worldview of romance is like in the novels. Having just come of age, the King of whatever decides to send Hans on his first official prince duty: attend the coronation at Arendelle, a diplomatic affair Hans should be able to handle. Hans goes and is delighted by the kingdom, he meets Anna. They are kindred spirits, they understand each other almost instantly. Both believe that this connection they feel is true love. The movie continues the same plot until Anna leaves to search for Elsa. She asks Hans to watch over Arendelle until she comes back with Elsa. Hans (who is visibly nervous) accepts with a promise to do his best. This was not anything he expected to ever have to do: Be a ruler himself. The entire time Anna is gone he tries to help the people, but it is only getting colder, and the people are losing hope. Hans begins to understand what it means to have a kingdom depend on you and how difficult and daunting being a ruler is. He joins the expedition up the mountain to look for the sisters, worried for them both, and things play out like normal. Once Elsa is brought back, he questions her about Anna and stopping the cold. Elsa doesn't know where Anna went and tries to get ahold of the storm but is unsuccessful. Hans returns back to the main part of the castle in time to receive the freezing Anna. They kiss, but as it was only infatuation the two feel, it doesn't work. Devastated, Hans tries a few more times, but still nothing. It's a heartbreaking moment and Hans breaks down under the weight of helplessness, telling Anna that he tried his hardest but it was not enough. Both realize Elsa was right and they jumped the gun completely. One of the guards comes in and tells them Elsa escaped. Anna realizes that true love doesn't mean it has to be romantic and asks Hans to carry her out into the storm to find her. Hans does not believe he can do it or that they can find Elsa. Anna reminds him of all the good he accomplished on his own and that they have a chance to stop the blizzard from destroying Arendelle. Hans thanks her for believing in him and helps her out across the ice. The blizzard is now at it's worst, even Elsa cannot see through it. Elsa gives up running in despair and falls to the ice. Hans is hurt while helping Anna, and he tells her to continue on to her sister. Breaking through to the heart of the storm, Anna's last act before she freezes solid is to throw her arms around Elsa. The reunion scene plays out like the original, Elsa unfreezes the kingdom, Kristoff helps Hans back to the castle. In the aftermath, Hans and Anna break off the engagement, both agreeing they weren't meant to be in a relationship like that but want to remain friends. Hans, having been humbled and realizing just how much growing he has left to do, returns to his home with newfound respect for his father and brothers, intending to be a better prince and brother.
I came up with all of that in less than 10 minutes. Instead of a terrible twist from out of left field, it fixes the character and has the message for both boys and girls of the dangers of jumping into relationships on a whim or based entirely on infatuation. Which is far better than what we got.
If you read this far I'm proud of you. 😊😊
If that's what you get from spitballing, you can totally write a book/story yourself.
@@berrydelightdeepwithin2770 I happen to be doing so.😁 Thanks for the compliment!
@@calidee847 Heh, we have that in common. Have fun and stay motivated!
The plot mostly isn't terrible though. it doesn't hinge on nonsense, Elsa is good at a lot actually. It does as she's a good leader and a good sister.
I mean that is a lot better, but Hans being evil could have worked if the proper build up was there and he wasn't THAT nice and generous.
Dude. I’d watch the CRAP out of this version.
I just hate what a total dork Kristoff is, eating carrots that his reindeer has bitten and are covered in spit, yet thinking Anna is uncivilized for propping her feet up on the sled.
Speaking of feet, I'm also still not over how Elsa putting on gloves somehow keeps her ice magic from coming out of her hands, but she can still cast it with her feet, even with her shoes on.
And don't get me started on Olaf. I just freakin' HATE him SO much!
I love Olaf but I do agree with what you said. :)
Totally agree. Initially, I actually liked Olaf a lot (especially that impaled joke. My family hates Frozen but we love that joke). As the movie went on however, and upon rewatches, I find him rather annoying.
Olaf is a sanitized Jar Jar Binks.
I agree about the gloves, but it occurred to me that they could be like the magic feather in "Dumbo"
@@DJSenpai17here's a question stitch or olaf?
I grew up in the Frozen culture, and while this movie was never one of my favorites I always just accepted it as inherently good. Then awhile ago, like a few years ago, I rewatched it after I watched Frozen II and I really began to understand that this franchise was never good, only just a fad. I always say Elsa as the intended villain in the first movie by the way, never Hans. I just thought Elsa was the poorly written villain!
She was tho
Well, this is a poorly-written movie; what else is new?
Frozen feels like a Frankenstein monster composed of many versions of the film or (dare I say this) many versions of the story wearing a trenchcoat pretending to be one. Let this be a lesson to stick to one version and go with it, unless if you SOMEHOW know how to make a Frankenstein of different versions work.
Also did Disney knew that SYMPATHETIC VILLAINS EXIST? A villain doesn’t HAVE to be an unsympathetic monster. Elsa could be a sympathetic antagonist.
John Silver from Treasure Planet comes to mind.
One thing I really hated about Frozen is that it ruined web game websites that start being plagued with disturbing grotesque Frozen bootlegs together with other franchises which will soon infest UA-cam as the infamous Elsagate that's still here today.
They also to lesser extent infesting on Flashpoint that lacks quality controls and the requirement to tag properly as there are very dumb people just dump absolute everything they find to Flashpoint no matter what it is and don't know what those tags means. It's hard to find good and nostalgic stuff there and blacklisting tags mostly associating with those stuff won't always help as many of those dump people forget to tag so they just use the commonest tag to these things.
It's not really the movie's fault it's just one of those things that sadly happened. It could have happened with anything else that can get extremely popular very unfortunately.
@@andreasmeelie1889 I know and I was about to edit my comment to be more clearer that it's clearly not Disney's and other corporation's intent at all now. But just shortly after Frozen got released that phenomena seems to become noticeable much more pronounced, widespread and worse than before and all those franchises such as Spiderman or other princess franchises that came before Frozen didn't have that much spammed disturbing bootlegs on classical game websites before until Frozen got released. It's not the movie's fault by itself but it could be the side effect of being released and trendy on the year 2014 where there was like a revolution of social and technical trends where most people started to use internet and social media much more than ever before. Bootleggers usually use physical merch and DVDs before but now moved on to the internet like anyone else.
But thanks to the plague of copyright abuse on Frozen, I can't think anything more than getting reminded of these frustration I have when thinking of Frozen unfortunately. The movie itself is fine when trying to forget everything outside the movie.
That does sound pretty creepy
Ikr? I'm pretty sure every girl centric game sites are *FLOODED* with "Frozen" related games along with other popular franchises like Disney Princesses and Miraculous Ladybug. Even Wednesday isn't immune
I know how physical bootlegged products and Elsagates makes tons of money from scamming children but what is the purpose of bootlegging free web games? Are they payed by the websites themselves to easily lure children into their sites for the ads?
I never understood Frozen’s popularity. The Disney films from the Renaissance era I get, but not Frozen.
Well the renaissance are good films.
The olny reason why it's popular is cuz of let it go if it didn't exist then the movie would be better cuz the original idea was way better
@@Mohico-San Yeah, the renaissance films were part of a lot of people’s childhood and most of them told really great stories.
@@georgiosgkanas758 I never liked Let It Go, mainly because of the insane popularity of that song. But still, a decent song, for the most part.
@@samkilpatrick1259 It's okay, but it gets pretty annoying on replays. Back in the day, I actually preferred First Time in Forever, and now, I feel like Show Yourself is better. None of these are particularly great, they're all pretty average by Disney standards, but Let It Go is particularly mediocre for how popular it is.
The fun part is that, when I saw Frozen I thought, through out the whole movie, that Elsa was the villain XD and that’s what made me feel sad about her and it felt completely right and understandable to me, so when the “true villain” is revealed I was so shock because I didn’t saw it coming, but literally, I just thought his kiss wouldn’t work ‘cause Ana wasn’t in love and that would be a lesson BUT NOOOO, he had to be the “mastermind” behind everything
Still makes me upset xD
Elsa was the greatest material for an villain origin story, but Disney just wanted the easy numbers I guess
This film's writing makes me want to drill a hole through my head.
I grew up in the 90s and Little Mermaid merch was absolutely everywhere. I had the shampoo bottle, coloring book, and doll. It was a blast from the past when I saw Frozen merch everywhere.
The Frozen merch is still here even to this day
“Little Mermaid the T-shirt, Little Mermaid the Coloring Book, Little Mermaid the Lunchbox, Little Mermaid the Breakfast Cereal, Little Mermaid the Water Gun! The kids love this one. Last but not least, Little Mermaid the Doll - Sebastian!”
🎶Under da seaaa! Under da seaaa!🎶
(Kiss) “Adorable!”
At least The Little Mermaid is a better written movie than this crappy movie. And it also had better merchandising, especially in the late 90s.
This comment reminds me of Shrek is Love Shrek is Life
@@aidanhever3369It is indeed.
I don't get the parents. If the gloves prevent Elsa from using her ice powers why not have her always wear gloves and let her play with Anna, therefore preventing the problem caused by the trolls keeping the memories
*facepalm* You need to READ through your script, Disney. THAT IS WHY MOVIE SCRIPTS EXIST.
I’m thinking more “They really thought Anna would never find out about her powers later as an adult?” Its the same problem of having a sibling with a mental illness or a parent that has to go to rehab or something and the child at the moment doesn’t fully understand why. You don’t just force them apart, and Anna would’ve drifted away from Elsa in time, that’s how distant relationships work realistically. Its not like the trolls said they couldn’t help Anna a second time aside the heart problem. Notice how Elsa doesn’t have ANY problems controlling her powers UNTIL her f*cking dad screams at her for ACCIDENTALLY hurting Anna. He NEVER apologized for snapping at her or telling her he knows it was accidental and just to be a little more careful from now on. He and Iduna freaking made Elsa think something was seriously wrong with her and basically made her hate herself. I despise how the sequel tried writing them as tragic parents who weren’t truly terrible and had good reasons for why they did what they did. For crying out loud, Iduna literally grew up around magic and could’ve easily gone back to her tribe to consult them as to why Elsa has powers, its not like the gate wouldn’t let the queen who was a tribal member in.
@@kristinahuchison2511 That's one of the reasons sequels like the one this one has should not exist. And also why you should read over your scripts before animating. THAT IS WHY MOVIE SCRIPTS EXIST.
@@artbytesia tbh I feel the movie would be a lot more solid if they kept Elsa the villain. Even after she Let it Go, she literally is scared of using her powers aside defending herself. Even after Anna learns the truth, Elsa still keeps shutting her out and refusing to let her in. I don’t get why so many people love Elsa when all she does is literally run away from her problems. Plus Anna’s arc makes no sense. After Elsa refuses to bless her engagement to Hans and Elsa’s powers are revealed, Anna is completely free to become queen of Arendelle and marry Hans. She literally cares more about marrying a guy and wanting to have the gates open over her sister. I get Anna does love and care about Elsa, but that isn’t how distant relationships work. If I had a sibling I had lost contact with, I don’t think I’d be that concerned about them unless they were willing to mend a relationship. I find Anna’s personality kinda generic and unrealistic with how she acts
@@kristinahuchison2511 I feel the exact same way. That's one of the reasons I don't like Let It Go very much, because...well, you know how if you remove a loose nail from a building, it can cause the whole thing to collapse on top of itself? That's what Let It Go did. It pulled the nail this film basically needed out of its foundation, and the whole film fell with a great crash.
as someone whos been a hater for this movie for 10 years this is so validating
Our time has finally come.
Yes!!! I was a senior when this movie came out and I could not stand it for the life of me, lol.
Ngl, I'm feeling pretty freaking vindicated right now. It's so cathartic to finally connect with like-minded people.
I remember being so excited to watch this movie, seeing all the trailers and memes coming out of it at the time it released. Even when I was just 12 - 12 YEARS OLD!! I ended the movie by saying "that was a horrible movie" and it's been one of my least favorites ever since
I've always been a hater, and always will be. I'm so glad people are finally seeing it for what it is: an undercooked mess
Frozen is garbage
Hans honestly was the only one in this movie that felt like a *real* character but they just had to make him a twist villain.
Also, they really wanted us to believe in the second movie that Anna and Elsa's mother was from that tribe in the forest when she's as white as snow (or a brunette Elsa) in this movie.
Agreed. Hans is my favorite precisely because of how well-rounded he seemed-that is, before the terrible twist character-assassinated him. And the Iduna retcon makes even less sense when you look at what real Sami people are like; they basically turned the Sami into discount Native Americans. Klaus handled Sami portrayal much better.
Bro, the weirdest justification I've seen from people regarding your last statement, was because of the environment Iduna (think that was their mother's name) was in at the time when she was a child. And that when she came to Arendelle her skin lightened.
Except... as a Dark-Skinned person myself, that's not how that works. Your skin can get lighter as you get older (or darker depending how often you're exposed to the sun). But one's skin doesn't go from brown to completely white from a change in environment just like that. I could be wrong on that, but I found it baffling when people said that as if it made any logical sense. When it was clear that Disney was just trying to score those representation brownie points.
@@ChocolateLoveKitten Lmao people are so dumb, it's hilarious. Her whole ethnicity changed too not just her skin colour 😂
@@ChocolateLoveKitten She could still be tanned in her old environment and stopped getting the sun later on. But regardless, it's definitely a retcon
@@flyingstapler1241 I know. But regardless, it still doesn't make sense either way. Hardly met anyone who's skin went from a drastic shift in color the way they did it with Iduna.
This also goes to show how Disney will want to score brownie points in any way they can. While further proving that what they were doing here is more than enough proof that genuinely had none of this planned out.
I remember when I first saw Frozen I knew nothing about the movie except the song Let It Go, which was everywhere. And I was expecting Elsa to be the villain because she was clearly falling to the dark side in the song the way she was acting, even though it seemed like a good thing to her, and I was intrigued and excited for that angle and thought Anna would have to fight her and ultimately bring her to her senses or something....but no I guess it was just the start of 'you go girl' stories, and that was a positive role archetype that would plague us a decade later.
That's kinda one of the plot holes I noticed on the very first viewing. Later, when Anna found and interacted with Elsa, I was thinking "I thought Elsa wasn't gonna be scared anymore!"
When I saw this film I was one of the folks unimpressed by the writing. The way Hans as a twist villain was handled along with splitting the story between two heroes AND two villains (with Wesselton). I also grew up with an older half sibling in a similar situation with Anna, and felt like she forgave Elsa way too easily.
Strangely enough, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 had a sort of sister-sibling story arc with Nebula & Gamora that I feel Frozen really could have benefited from.
Why do I have a feeling the Anna's memories was gone being weird?
I feel like she should have them to come back, but have her feel bad, she would be upset that Elsa didn't tell her, but also have her think it's her fault for being reckless and getting hurt, that way it's both their faults instead of Elsa's
@@DivineChaos204 Maybe because it was kind of unneeded since she was fine with Elsa's powers before?
@@artbytesia true, but she did cause herself to get hit by being kinda reckless
@DivineChaos204 True, but still. It'd be like if someone were to burn their hand on a campfire while cooking hot dogs, and someone else went all, "Oh, you burned your hand? We just gotta remove all memories of campfires! That'll heal you!"
@@artbytesia true, but still, shouldn't they come back after she saw her powers
Honestly, even back when I was hyping for this movie, I remember being extremely disappointed after I watched it, the plot and characters felt so thin and not worth a rewatch.
I'm glad people starts to agree with me.
I knew Hans was a bad guy when he said he has 12 brothers. I went "hmmmmm... 12 brothers. Bad guy"
My friend said "dammit! Thats the twist!!!"
I'm sure the writers put that line in there last minute to justify his actions later on. Cuz he was a much better royal subject than the 2 princesses who ran away.
The writing for this film gives me a headache. And the headache has a migraine!
Growing up, my favorite Disney princess movies went from The Little Mermaid, to Tangled, to Frozen, until at some point when watching Tangled over and over, it became my favorite again. Even the relationship between Rapunzel and Mother Gothel was an inspiration to me for two characters I had been working on. Not to mention the incredible love story between Rapunzel and Eugene. Also the town dance sequence will forever be one of the best scenes in Disney history simply because of how well the music and activities mix and I've always just been hypnotized whenever I watched it.
Frozen will forever remain special to me in some way, especially since it was the only Disney song album I ever got, but I will admit it had a lot of flaws unfortunately.
True, Tangled has great rewatch value. The same can’t be said of Frozen.
Tangled and it's series are the reason I have unrealistic expectations for romantic relationships, cause raps and Eugene are just so damn perfect together
@@samcochran8203 I can't express how badly I want to watch the series, but unfortunately I don't have any subscriptions and have no idea where to pirate 😔
@@samcochran8203 damn, how unfortunate-
@@madmouse1016 Read the edit of my last comment cause youtube hates me and keeps deleting further comments that I'm trying to send to you
I don’t think Frozen is a bad movie but when people started acting like it was revolutionary or like Disney just made its first film and changed the world with it, that’s when I started to get annoyed. And it ruined it for me.
Yeah, it really isn't as revolutionary as it thinks it is. If anything, it's a friggin' copycat!
@@artbytesia how is it a copycat???
@HereMays Well, let's see...
Says "Can't marry someone you just met"
- Enchanted
Has an independent woman
- Brave
- Pocahontas
- Mulan
- The Princess and the Frog
Has a sisterly relationship
- Lilo and Stitch
Is a redemption story
- Lilo and Stitch
- Aladdin
- Beauty and the Beast
- Pocahontas
Has princesses
- The Little Mermaid
- Beauty and the Beast
- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
- Cinderella
- Pocahontas
- Tangled
- Aladdin
- Mulan
- Brave
Has family love be what saves the day
- Brave
Has character learn they don't need to fear or dislike what makes them unique
- Dumbo
Sounds like it's not a copycat to me! *sarcasm*
@@artbytesia so... they copied... themselfs.....???
@@HereMays To quote Bellwether: "Yeah, pretty much."
honestly i feel like a better twist with hans would have been if the two DID kiss, but it DIDN'T fix the problem. the audience would then be lead to believe that it's Kristoff that will save Anna (as she also thinks so), but then Anna saving Elsa would actually be the key to solving the problem. the movie is still a mess but i think that would have been a stronger twist to subvert the disney true loves kiss trope.
also, it would have been nice if they kept the snow queen as a villain, bc then maybe she could've been the return of a classic disney villain. mother gothel wasn't quite on the same level of disney villain like ursula or maleficent, but the snow queen (as a character, maybe not as Elsa Sister of Anna) could've been a nice return/nod to that disney era.
Did you know that Disney Will Re-Release 8 Classic Movies?
1. Toy Story - July 21
2. Frozen - August 4
3. Beauty and the Beast - August 18
4. The Incredibles - September 1
5. Coco - September 15
6. The Lion King - September 29
7. Mona - October 13
Also, one non-animated movie: Pirates of the Caribbean
Really Disney? After what you did to Johnny Depp? Do they think people who were upset at them for how they treated Johnny Depp will just go back because they release a movie with him in it? Do they want to guilt-trip Depp into returning? ''Look at all your movie fans. Do it for them.''
Let me speculate why those animated movies in particular are being re-released.
1. Toy Story 5 is coming
2. Frozen 3 is coming
3. A ‘’live-action’‘ Mufasa movie is coming
4. ‘‘Live-action’’ Moana and cartoon series is coming
5. Beauty and the Beast was the first full-length animated feature to be nominated for Best Picture. And its remake isn’t hated as much as many others.
6. Coco re-release is for representation. After they canceled ''The Owl House'' and their new show ''Primos'' controversies they are hated from all sides.
7. The Incredibles is just a beloved classic and its sequel made tons of money. All those movies made a lot of money.
I wonder how they will censure the re-releases. Remember how they changed the drier in ''Lilo and Stitch'' into a pizza box? Will they keep all the ''spicy'' scenes from ''The Incredibles'’? Will they keep the horny triplets from Beauty and the Beast? Particularly the scene in which LeFue is checking out their boobs?
Everything Disney releases will fail. My favorite Pixar movie, Toy Story, will fail. The re-release and part 5 will fail.
You are exactly right about Depp and Pirates. It will fail. Everything Disney releases will fail.
Disney is working on a new mascot and logo. It will be a huge bomb with mouse ears going down the Titantic with waves that spell out Failure. They spelled out sex in The Lion King and now they can spell something else. Disney sucks.
What do u mean be re-release? Just put them back in theaters when most of these are readily available on Disney plus? How sad. Disney is so down bad for money
@@michaelfields7088they fixed it also we don't know if they gonna fail gosh you guys only see the name and say that will suck like dude not only Disney release bad movies there are tons of studios that make worse movies but no it's only about disney
@@nymphohalo It makes some sense. The cinematic experience is different than watching a movie on your laptop or TV. Many people would jump on the occasion to watch their favorite movie on the big screen with family and friends. Especially if they didn't get to go to the cinema when it was originally released. I bet parents and grandparents would love to take their kids, who weren't born when those movies first came out, to watch ''The Lion King'' or ''Toy Story''. But with how many people are angry at Disney and with current financial problems (inflation) it might be another big flop for Disney.
@@nymphohalothey did this before Disney+ was even a thing they re releaed the lion king on 2011 and other movies that aren't from Disney made a re release for example titanic for valentine's Day
I hate disney for ruining Hans Christian Andersen masterpiece the Snow Queen, we were originally going to get a proper adaptation of that fairy tale but disney changed and bastardize it, Frozen is such a pathetic mess and has the worst villain in a disney movie.
It is a pathetic mess. Seriously, I've seen Gainax Endings of cartoon shows that make more sense than this movie's plot!
I think Frozen would have been better without a villain. They could have gone full personal drama as a plot, and it would have been much stronger. I mean, after an accidental power reveal the queen flees her country, leaving it frozen solid, and now she has to figure out how to thaw the frost and learn who she truly is inside. Meanwhile Anna's story barely has to change. Even if Hans is not a villain, she could find in Enchanted's style that while she did have a crush at the start on him, by the end, there just isn't actual love.
Yeah, apparently Disney didn't take any notes from the Winnie the Pooh films or Finding Nemo. Mind you, those were produced by DISNEY ITSELF.
When you read the original “Snow Queen” story, you’ll be even more disappointed
There's a 2D animated adaptation from the 1950s that's actually pretty dang good. Not to mention faithful to the fairytale. I recommend you see it; THAT will not disappoint you. 😁
I remember seeing this film in theaters when it came out, but I had spoiled myself with the Hans twist after reading the synopsis on Wikipedia. At the time, I initially thought it was kinda cool to see an attempt at a subversion of the "love at first sight"/"prince charming" fairytale trope. But later as I started thinking about it more, I came to the same conclusion everyone else came to, which was that Hans made NO SENSE as a villain. I despise Hans and the other so-called "twist" villains that came after him due to how utterly forced and contrived the writing is. Hans did not work as a twist villain because he was a completely different character throughout the majority of the movie. There was absolutely nothing that could indicate or hint at him being evil all along, and it feels like the writers just made him pull a 180° personality change at the last minutes of the movie because they realized they needed a villain and couldn't find anyone else to be a villain because they scrapped Elsa's role as the antagonist. Bellwether in Zootopia suffered the same problem, being revealed as the villain at the last minutes of the film, along with Callahan in Big Hero 6. Turbo/King Candy worked as a villain because they had already set up "going Turbo" in the beginning of the film, established King Candy as an untrustworthy character, and had a backstory of Turbo and the dangers of doing what he did. Hans had none of that foreshadowing.
Anna and Kristoff had no chemistry or anything to bond over, unlike Anna and Hans in the first half of the movie. While they needed more time to develop their relationship like Elsa said, if the writers had stuck with Hans being Anna's love-interest and had given Elsa a love-interest in Kristoff (as well as giving him a lot more characterization), that would have made more sense. Both Anna and Hans have something to bond over, both being younger siblings ostracized by their eldest siblings, and possibly other things I probably forgot about. Meanwhile, Elsa has her ice and snow-themed powers, while Kristoff is an iceman raised by mountain trolls and has a pet reindeer, so they're both associated with winter and have something for them to bond over.
Disney should have stuck with the original draft where Elsa was a misunderstood villain.
Yeah, then we would have had a much better movie and most of the plot holes would be nonexistent. But no. Instead, we got this mess of a script.
I've said it once and I'll say it again: fixing Hans is easy. Have him kiss Anna. When the kiss failed, he panicked and left, maybe saying he'd get more blankets or a maid. Lock the door, and continue.
Frozen 3 should be his redemption arc. Have them team up with him and he proves he's changed. Only way to save the franchise.
Good idea, actually
Many people claimed that Chicken Little is the worst movie in the Disney canon, but this and its sequel took the cake... Until Raya and the Last Dragon came along.
I actually like Raya and the Last Dragon.
@@artbytesia You're kidding, right ? Despite being a shameless rip off of Avatar: The Last Airbender with the tedious message about trusting incredibly shady people, a bulky lesbian stereotype who backstabs every second without feeling any remorse for her actions, and Awkwafina's atrocious performance as Sisu, one of the dumbest Disney characters since Hei Hei from Moana ?
@@aidanhever3369 No, I'm not kidding. I thought the story was well-told, the characters multidimensional, and it had good action and lovely scenery and music (especially when Sisu runs on the rain). And I never thought of Avatar when watching it; I personally get more Avatar vibes from Frozen 2!
So yeah, I find it to be good. If you disagree, that's fine.
Ralph Breaks The Internet: Hello there.
@@artbytesia im not into the movie but I respect your opinion.
Frozen is bad, I agree. I do not like the second one, either. That song "Let it Go" shows Elsa is a narcissist. Instead of apologising to her people for the incident, she abandoned them. Both Frozen movies were cash grabs anyway.
For anyone who likes Frozen, I respect your opinion.
Let It Go is so overrated, and is also the only reason the film got so big in the first place
@@TheRealPSKilla502 Yeah. Let it Go is annoying as well, in my opinion.
I used to like it. I also heard the song in stores I remember I found that really annoying. I hated the movie in 2014 I seen it too much on Facebook my news feed
@@lambythelamb97Agreed
I mean, at the time, Elsa had no idea that she damned the kingdom
Finally, people are starting to talk about how bad this movie really is. I thought I was alone when I first saw it. It's painfully mediocre at best, but that's not what really bothers me-what irks me is how close it came to being good and how the filmmakers utterly wasted the characters' potential. This is why Frozen angers me more than the sequel even though it's slightly, objectively better in quality: because I was at least prepared for how awful Frozen II ended up being and had already lost investment by that point.
One thing I don't understand is why they couldn't make Elsa sympathetic AND keep her the villain? Just because she has relatable motives doesn't mean she can't do bad things.
Yeah, look at Nine from Sonic Prime; he fits that to a T!
Yeah. I mean, why couldn't she be like John Silver in Treasure Planet?
Frozen is mediocre and Frozen 2 is an awful, pointless mess. Imagine how Frozen 3 will look like 😐(and yes, it has already been announced)
Hopefully Frozen 3 breaks the downwards trend. It’s hard to reach lows lower than Frozen 2.
Maybe it'll be the one to finally bankrupt the company
*tries hard not to blow her brains out the top of her head*
If anything, I believe Tangled did a better job as a movie now I see Frozen in its state today. I too loved it as a child, but as a young woman now, I think I regret liking this movie.
The designers are pretty nice though, just the plot and story needed way more work.
@@merafirewing6591 Okay, you got that right. Then again, Iduna looks just like Elsa as Aldone pointed out.
@@merafirewing6591AGREED!
@@merafirewing6591 As in, a complete overhaul similar to the one Kingdom of the Sun got that turned it into The Emperor's New Groove.
@@artbytesia And unlike Frozen, that movie became a fan-favorite classic for all the RIGHT reasons.
How is Frozen so popular when it came out.
The catchy music
Let it Go and mid year for animated movies, with Frozen being the best or one of the best
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On the bright side, at least this year is turning out better for animated films than it was a decade ago.
Mario Bros Movie
Across the Spider Verse
Migration
Teenage Kraken
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Wish
Mario Bros Movie
Across the Spider Verse
Migration
Teenage Kraken
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Wish
I'm always so shocked not only on fast you distribute each video but how incredibly insightful each video is. Its amazing to see as always!
I haven't watched Frozen 2, but my biggest problem with Frozen is the fact that the movie centers on Anna instead of Elsa, who is by far the most interesting character. For some reason I didn't understand at the time I watched the movie, and still don't understand, Elsa is MIA for like 70 % of the movie. We know little to nothing about what happens to her after she runs away to live in seclusion, and we are instead stuck with three or so secondary characters and their antics till the end. They literally forget about the movie's main and most interesting character, and that's just weird and nonsensical.
Beautifully said. Yes. 👏👏👏
That’s something I realized when I first watched it as well! Literally Elsa is the reason why the movie is titled Frozen, so why she doesn’t have more screen time is crazy.
If she had more screen time, she wouldn’t remain as interesting. There’s only so much introspection and monologues that kids can handle. The little we get of her captured quite powerfully what her essence is about - which is the reason why you consider her such a compelling character. But I do agree that some of Anna’s side quests were underwhelming.
Most of Elsa's scenes were just her singing or whispering one or two lines but I get what you mean.
I agree, after all Frozen is based off the story of the 'Snow Queen'. I was more interested in knowing more about Elsa than Anna. Had Elsa had Olaf or Kristoff to talk to, it would of made it more interesting.
I still don't get how Let It Go managed to be that successful it wasn't any better than most of Disney's famous songs.
It had the worst thing - the catchiness
The Broadway musical vibes of the song infuriated me out of my pants
Like, hey Disney, once upon a time you hired Phil freakin Collins to write Two Worlds, Son of Man, Strangers Like Me, You'll Be In My Heart, On My Way, Great Spirits, Look Through My Eyes - what happened to you now?
Yeah, it really doesn't have that many traits that make it stand out. Let me elaborate:
*Sung by a Disney princess*
- Part of Your World
- Someday My Prince Will Come
- A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes
- Once Upon a Dream
- When Will my Life Begin?
*Sung by Idina Menzel*
- Defying Gravity (which has a similar vibe, BTW)
*About self-dependence*
- Go the Distance
You know what all these songs have in common? They all have better writing and messages than Let It Go!
The way I interpreted the character of Elsa is that she is still an antagonist to Anna, because when Elsa sets off an eternal winter, Anna wants to return the seasons to Arandelle, while Elsa prioritizes her newfound freedom before the livelihoods of the citizens. Elsa is a villain in this sense, because the morally correct thing to do is to prioritize the happiness of the majority over one’s personal happiness. I think Let It Go encapsulates her giving up on being “a good person” and her decision to live for herself and only herself, which is character development from the girl that lived her life in fear of not being able to answer to her parents of citizens’ expectations. Then, her character arc is complete when she realizes that she was coping hard by convincing herself she was happy living completely alone, and that what she really wanted was to enjoy her sister’s company and be able to fit into her kingdom. I do think that last part could’ve happened more gradually, than her looking like she had an instant change of heart, but at least I didn’t feel her character arc was incomplete.
Hans being a villain felt forced, but I think it could’ve worked if he had led Anna on just to get closer to Elsa, with the original intent being to marry Elsa since she’s the queen. I think it’s far fetched he could’ve come up with the evil plan to get Arandelle when Anna told him she needed a kiss. Like if he had intentions to get Arandelle, he must’ve already had a plan when he arrived, which first step was flirting with Anna. We just never saw how the plan would go if Elsa had never revealed her powers. I don’t like when any characters do a 180 just for shock value lol
And Kristoff is def unnecessary to the plot, and I’d have been perfectly happy if at the end of the movie, both Elsa and Anna remained single. Kristoff x Anna doesn’t work imo because Anna is in love with Hans the entire time they spend together. This isn’t a case like in Enchanted where Giselle x Robert works despite her falling in love with Edward first, because Anna needs to think of Hans when she thinks of the person that can give her a true love’s kiss, meaning there’s no gradual falling in love with Kristoff before that. I think he’d have made a good sidekick friend, so that the journey to Elsa’s castle doesn’t feel boring, but not as a love interest
There’s no shame in admitting you had a fictional crush on Elsa, pal. Different guys, different stories. Be proud of who you are Aldone. Anyone who says to be ashamed of something in you only has self esteem problems of their own. Be you, and be proud of being you.
Once I wrote a diary entry in highlighter about how I loved shadow from sonic. So you’re right 😂
Exactly 💯. Everyone and I mean everyone has had a fictional crush at some point in their lives... Just as long as it doesn't go too far.
@@normadgarmez7026 Why do you care about Elsa even though she's poorly written?
Hans as a twist villain made no sense and was rather laughable. There was no reason for Hans to need to kill Anna or Elsa to get the throne. Anna was already head over heels for him and willing to marry him just like that, and Elsa had no true intention of ruling the kingdom. Elsa could have been the villain who abandons the kingdom in an eternal winter, leaving Anna and Hans to work together and learn what true love really is about.
A better twist villain was Ernesto De La Cruz from Coco. The formula was really good because it convinces the audience to blindly idolize him and then slowly realize as the story goes on that Hector died due to Ernesto being power-hungry, or willing to "seize his moment". It's a great lesson that you shouldn't blindly idolize someone without even knowing what they are really like. This can be applied to the real world since there are a plethora of celebrities that people swoon over without knowing that they could be awful individuals.
Thank you! I can't stand this movie! The songs are horrible, the villain and his plan doesn't make any sense, the main character is so unlikable. I hate this movie with a passion.
It all boils down to one thing: the writing. Heck, a T-shirt with rips and tears that's been put in a food processor set to Slice & Dice has less holes than this film's plot!
I can name 20 Disney animated movies that are better than Frozen:
The Lion King
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Aladdin
Hercules
Tarzan
Mulan
Beauty and the Beast
The Little Mermaid
Moana
Tangled
Wreck-it-Ralph
Encanto
Meet the Robinsons
Lilo and Stitch
Fantasia
Pinocchio
Peter Pan
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Princess and the Frog
Big Hero 6
Honestly Elsa should have been the villain. If they made a few changes to Let it Go to make it a bit darker, think something like No Good Deed from Wicked. Idina Menzel has a very powerful and strong voice so she can easily pull it off.
Yeah, if they had the time to rewrite the whole movie, they certainly had enough time to do what you suggested!
I think the scrapped song "Life's too short" that was supposed to be in the movie encapsulates the lost potential of Frozen perfectly. It's literally just a song where Anna and Elsa argue about their different upbringings and can't see eye to eye because of the way they see their whole childhood and were raised.
It humanizes Elsa in a way, turning her more into a sympathetic villain, and you understand both of the sisters viewpoints way better. I bet the song wouldve been in the movie if they hadn't changed Elsa into a "misunderstood good guy'
Honestly, I do think that this song could still work with Let It Go (since this song is what apparently had writers change their mind and make Elsa a messed up heroine instead, which is also a bit stupid considering how Let It Go's lyrics also fit for a villain) as it also explains why Elsa sang it in the first place. I think it's more of "rushing" things that made them scrap a lot of ideas. "Life's Too Short" also presents other concepts such as Elsa being a prophecized cold ruler which had to be scrapped along with that song, which is honestly really sad. It makes them seem more realistic and more relatable too and Elsa being the villain can still work greatly, a villain that we can sympathize with
When I finished watching frozen 2 I turned to my friends and was like "so the whole story was basically that episode of SpongeBob with the giant clam and that scene with Patrick where he is like "but I was looking for ME the whole time"
That sums it up well, huh?
That's a good episode, by the way. Too bad Frozen 2 can't share that with it.
It would've been better if The Trolls were the twist villain.
Or the Duke.
That would've explained why they took Anna's memories of Elsa having ice powers when she was fine with them before and why they sang a dumb song while Anna was FREEZING TO DEATH.
Frozen ironically suffered in terms of writing because of “Let It Go”. Financially, it was a success but revolving the entire story around that one scene hurt the narrative and pacing a lot.
Agreed; that's one of the main reasons I don't find that song that good.
Idina Menzel has sung much better songs, like Defying Gravity and her own rendition of Do You Hear What I Hear?
Especially Frozen 2 when Elsa literally pushed Anna in an ice canon with no regard for her safety or whe she'd end up... When Anna is literally begging her since she have severe abandonment issues. And in the end Anna just forgives her cos she appeared again on a magic horse? Elsa is a hot mess that demanded everybody to deal with it. And its awful how that's the message of the movie. If your sibling have ice powers and have special snowflake powers, let them emotionally walk all over you and leave you all the responsibilities of running a kingdom while she's out there with her water horse.
Elsa never wanted to rule the kingdom, even from the first movie. She wanted to be free and find a place where she belonged with her magic. Even if the people accepted her, she was never truly happy. Anna loved Arendelle from the beginning and wanted Elsa to return to stop the eternal winter, because she cared about the people and believed in Elsa that she could do it, even when Elsa was fearful.
Anna also made her own choices. Elsa kept the ice trail on land in the sequel, but Anna altered the course to end up in the river close to the frost giants and then fall down the waterfall. Anna is more suited to rule, because she believes in doing the right thing and Elsa knew that.
Yes this film is overrated, I knew it there was problems since 2013, and I’m glad many people are talking about it now.
There was another UA-camr who made a video about why a certain aspect was not good and let’s just say: that video doesn’t exist anymore
@@silashurd3597it’s like Disney is trying to hide any negative reviews of the Frozen films because they will turn people away from the unwanted Frozen 3 and we can’t have Frozen 3 be a bomb, can we?
@@retrolord8546 How? Frozen 2 easily make more money than the first one
@@TheHalloweenSpirit well judging by the latest box-office returns from Disney’s recent films and from people getting sick of WAY too much of Frozen anything, I doubt that anyone will be excited or thrilled about Frozen 3.
That and it’ll probably be worse than Frozen 2.
It's like they took on Disney princess trope to make fun of and made it into a film and then just added the snow queen stuff to fill in the runtime.
Movie would have been infinitly better if they removed all the self aware Bull crap and hans and focuse more on Elsa and Anna's relationship. They could have made Elsa a sympathetic antagonist, like she's only doing this because she's mad at the world, but she would change at the end because of her sister.
Dumb and Evil Hans: Imma let Anna die and kill the ice queen then the people will...probably let me be king.
Common Sense Hans: I think I'll marry the cute princess, try to solve the problem with her sister, and however things work out, I'm sitting pretty as a husband, eventual father, and beloved leader within the kingdom whether I wear the crown or not
Seriously, imagine if they pulled a C.S. Lewis Corrin from the Horse and His Boy (one of the Narnia books for those who don't know) and the second Elsa tries apologizing for taking the responsibility of ruling from him, he's says, "Are you kidding? Princes have all the fun. Let me know if you need help from time to time, but I'm already hearing wedding bells and seeing some really jealous brothers in the pews."
This is the best video about Frozen that I've ever seen. You pointed out all of the questions people have been confused about. Now I really wish they could remake Frozen, but that's sadly not possible.
Not in live-action, but definitely with hand-drawn animation. That would look so much better than the CG version we got.
@@1992disney Hopefully with better writing too!
This movie is honestly so overrated.
Extremely overrated.
LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (the one thing that FOREVER gets stuck in the minds of many whenever you mention the first Frozen in any way)
😤😖
They really should've have Duke as a villain because of his desire for money and powers and his prejudice (?) towards people with powers, and I guess we should've had Elsa as a hero going through a villain arc to test her morals and beliefs
Yeah, both of those woulda worked much better!
Yeeeaaahhh!!! I wish they went with this instead
You know the point about the parents not spending time with Anna…
Could Anna be technically considered a glass child? That could’ve been kind of interesting imo
What does a glass child mean?
@@merafirewing6591 A "glass child" is a term that refers to a child who grows up emotionally damaged by being neglected and/or parentified due to one of their siblings being special needs. The term reflects how the child grows to feel transparent in their family due to not having their needs met.
Though I have never watched the movie myself, I have heard that the brother Ben in the movie There She Goes is an excellent example of a glass child.
definitely
I used to hate Frozen because I had that MASSIVE crush on Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians and the ship Jack/Elsa had become really popular and it pissed me off. Ah childhood.
I might have gotten over my Jack Frost obsession but I still don't particularly like Frozen. (but to be fair the more I hear people talk about it the more I like the idea with Elsa the villain)
Same here with the Jack Frost thing. I loved Rise of the Guardians, Jack being one of my favorite characters. His upbeat personality and desire to help others clashing with his feeling of isolation and unsure of who he is reminded me a lot of what I was going through at the time.
Not sure if I crushed on him as I thought he and Tooth looked cute together plus the timing of his journey where I rather he get used to friendship and community first (if he developed more in sequels, then maybe crush territory 😋). But I found his journey and growth quite impactful and pretty heavy for a movie like that. Not to mention his power set, the movie’s visuals, and the sense of family and belonging among the characters makes it very rewatch able.
Elsa, in contrast, is just an ice queen. As in, she’s cool, aloof, so ‘ice/cold’ become more of a stereotype for her character than something that actually says anything about her character. One can blame her upbringing which I admit is fair, but it’s still cliche to give the ice user that kind of story. Misunderstand, isolated, over come with power. Etc.
Jack, in contrast, has ice powers but uses them in a way that reflects his positive personality. He sees snow as time for play and spending time with loved ones. He is partially isolated from say Bunny since they operate in different seasons, but the main focus is not being seen and using those powers to change things up.
So yeah, I was always annoyed after Frozen came out when people started shipping them together just cause “ice powers couple!” Like, there’a so much more to like and admire about Jack than just his power, and those types of stories normally revolved around ice-queen Elsa either 1) learning to love or 2) being portrayed as more tragic than Jack.
Just got really old really fast.
I admit, I didn't get the appeal of this crack-ship either. But I'll also admit that it has a lot of good fan art-same can't be said for fanfiction, however. It's even funnier to me because Jack/Anna makes more sense as a crack-ship, but I guess being logical sort of defeats the purpose of crack-shipping.
Now I want a fix-it fanfic as an AU where Elsa is the villain like it was originally intended.
The intro scene with the ice cutting feels like it belongs to a different movie, it's so weeiird. Especially since it has such a different tone to the princess childhood scene coming right after.
I'm thinking of a way in which it'd have worked: Parents die early and kingdom is ruled by a regent while the girls are small. Upon discovering Elsa's powers, she is locked up in the castle, but Anna is free to go outside, make friends, etc
Elsa becomes bitter and swears revenge for years of neglect and confinement. She escapes and leaves Arundel, causing eternal winter. She becomes a villain.
She watches Anna fall in love and resents it, sends some icy beings to kidnap her lover (e.g. Prince Hans).
Anna comes to the rescue aided by a friend. On the way they discover a connection
There's a fight between Elsa aided by a hypnotised Hans and Anna + Christoff.
Anna gets badly hurt and nearly freezes to death, but C does smth heroic in order to save her. Elsa has a change of heart and realises that true love can melt the coldest heart. She releases Hans from the spell, only to realise they'd actually grown close to each other during the time they spent together.
2 marriages.
Dunno, it's just an idea.
A better-sounding one than we actually got!
Disney: "Isn't it funny and sweet how the Trolls adopt Sven and Christoph?"
Me: Is knowledgable of some Scandinavian folklore and what Trolls do the children they 'adopt'. 😬😰😱
Something tells me I'm going to regret asking this, but what do they do?
@@theofficialliedetector1545I'm also curious about it to.
There were so many "Frozen vs" debates in the 2010s:
Frozen vs Tangled
Frozen vs Wreck it Ralph
Frozen vs Big Hero 6
Frozen vs Zootopia
Frozen vs Moana
Frozen vs Raya & the Last Dragon
Frozen vs Frozen 2
Frozen vs Encanto
Frozen vs Little Mermaid
Frozen vs Aladdin
And the most popular: Frozen vs LION KING
If this was debated right now then Frozen would lose 99% of the time.
@@d1kgaws12 and once the upcoming movie WISH comes out, we can expect a "Frozen vs Wish" debate. To make matters worse, FROZEN 3 is confirmed in case you don't know
For the last one it should be titled,
“Which is more overrated?”
@@joshualowe959 How about Frozen vs something non-Disney?
Frozen vs Spiderverse
Frozen vs Puss In Boots
Frozen vs Kung Fu Panda
Frozen vs HTTYD
Curious what people would have to say about that these days
@@henrythef1guy768 you think The Lion King is overrated? Well Nostalgia Critic did too
There is a theory out there that Hans actually did fall in love with Anna, but the trolls messed with his mind.
1. Hans's face when no one's looking, right after he meets Anna? Not a villainous "my plan is working" smirk. A goofy, lovestruck grin.
2. Pabi's actions prove he's got no qualms with mental manipulation of Anna, so why would he have reservations about it with regard to Hans?
3. Lyrics to "Fixer-Upper" include references to "get the fiancée (Hans) out of the way" so they can insert their adoptive family member (Kristoff) into the royal family.
Yeah, that's pretty much the only way the twist makes any sense at all.
Something that just always felt wrong to me was that Anna and Kristoff ended up getting together in the end, especially given the troll song trying to get them married. Like she knew Kristoff for just about the same amount of time she knew Hans and somehow she was supposed to know Hans was evil and Kristoff isn’t? And the trolls trying to get them together just made everything feel forced especially since it’s not a standard Disney romance movie. I think it would have been better if the pair remained friends and not fallen in love with each other because it just feels like Anna made the same mistake with Kristoff that she made with Hans and tried marrying a guy she knew for a few days
Additionally, Hans basically won half way through the movie. His men was about to kill Elsa and Anna wasn’t there to see, AND she was relying on him. He could have let the solider kill Elsa and return to the kingdom to break the news that she “accidentally” perished. But a better way of having it done would be to have him be the one to try and kill her and either have his men stop him or Anna come in and stop him, showing that he was a villain since with Elsa out of the picture, as long as Anna still loved him he’d get what he wanted
Anna didn’t even have to die either. She loved him and all he really needed to do was fake it till he made it and once he was king have an “accident” happen to her. And if she did die he’d be up next for the throne as he was engaged to Anna at that point. So he could have just left Anna be and either way he’d get what he wanted. But he literally did the absolute worse options in every situation
Not only that, but it also would have actually taught the lesson it was trying to teach about not needing a man to save you!
Heck, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, a film where that lesson ISN'T the main focus, actually taught that lesson a lot better than this film, where it IS, ever did! How? Does? That? HAPPEN?!
She knew Kristoff longer actually as they spent more time together and she actually got to know him before she fell in love with him unlike Hans. It didn't make it feel forced at all. She didn't make the same mistake, she actually got to know Kristoff and for longer too.
Good luck doing that as Elsa is well...powerful.
That wouldn't work as Elsa and the others would still protect her from him. No that wouldn't work. I dunno about that but he was a bad villain.
Even as child when I watched it, I'm aware that it feels ... _narrow?_
Damn, my vocabulary. The setting just feel empty and not massive if compared to Tangled or other animatic movies. I know because it set only in 2 setting: Arendelle and the mountains, with two ambience: snowy and sunny.
It always feel odd to me that the Weasel Duke and the rest of the characters claiming they're having *eternal snow!* I don't know how they knew the snow will be eternal, and I never understand how Elsa just stepping on the lake and accidentally cursed the whole kingdom.
Or as you said, the Troll decided to adopt Kristoff and Sven.
But, those all what I'm thinking when I was a child lol
If I want to make crappy metaphor, it feels like a bridge and the destination. But, Frozen lacking bridges, so everything just teleported on the destination.
Frozen lacking explanation or *SHOW* not tell.
In my opinion, song “Let it Go” should’ve been one of, if not, the first Disney song for a villain where the song itself isn’t malicious or villainous, but upbeat and sympathetic for the villain where the audience has to decide whether they want to either cheer for Anna to save her sister, or cheer for Elsa with the purpose of her character having a chance of being redeemed. They could’ve capitalized on the song to still make her the main villain of the movie, and missed it.
My younger sister and I were ten and seven when this movie came out, and to this day we do the “Do you want to build a snowman” knock on the door. That’s how we know it’s each other. 😆
She would have killed countless people by causing a famine. She should have been punished and anna inheriting the empire. Elsa should not have been allowed to get away with it.
And also the people who, in summer clothes, went into the forest for mushrooms and berries, are very glad that Elsa has finally accepted herself.
Even as someone who used to be so obsessed over Frozen thanks to Elsa by character and Let It Go when it first came out, I knew deep down that it's just an average type of movie, even Tangled is far better in every way.
Elsa is nothing special for a character. There are more interesting characters with ice powers.
@@EvelynL.1112 Yeah, like Lord Dominator from Wander Over Yonder (she's a villain, but still) and Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians.
If you think Frozen was bad, trying playing the Arandelle level in Kingdom Hearts 3, now there's a horror story 😅
Oof, the less said about that the better 😂 That made me realize that I'm probably done with this series.
And we thought Atlantica in Kingdom Hearts 2 was the worst...Haven't been in that fandom for long, has that throne been changed now to Arandelle been possibly the worst in Kingdom Hearts' world?
@@CelestePrimrose at least Donald trying to sing was kind of funny. I've come to appreciate the lighter moments in the post KH3 world. Ariendelle is really the worst, and it actually could have been better before Disney interfered.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 I guess Arendelle need to be congratulated for taking the lead for the worst. I saw a few video talking about how Disney interfered on it and watched the gameplay which is a shame, they sure had planned a different, more classic KH ways on dealing with the Disney's world but I guess new Disney aren't as lenient as the early 00s to give SE such benefits and thus why Arendelle is at this low. Thanks for giving me your opinion and insights on it.
Hans could’ve worked for a twist villain if they edited one scene:
When he comes up from the water he grins like he likes her (I highly doubt it was because he liked a challenge because he seems more glad later how easy it was to trick Anna).
They could’ve done anything other than this but they *had* to make him more sneaky even though NO ONE WAS LOOKING AT HIM at the time, it doesn’t make sense.
The Duke also had a good point but it would’ve been more interesting if he and Hans argued over what to focus on (helping the people survive the cold or finding Elsa to end the winter through diplomacy or force if necessary).
That seems way more interesting than Every white guy except for the only other love interest is a terrible human being🤔
Edit: Frozen heart is the only Frozen song I can stand but you’re completely correct about Kristoff’s backstory. A small line later in the movie could change the context of the intro from being an unnecessary waste of time to a necessity because his parents are dead yet he and an orphaned reindeer try to keep up with the rest of the Men. That intro becomes more powerful on rewatches and we have an explanation for why he was there in the first place (his dad could be there but why wouldn’t there be other boys too?)
Yeah, Chrysalis-as-Cadance's smile when she says "Absolutely" in Part 1 of A Canterlot Wedding can definitely be seen as evil. But Hans's in the boat part? Heck no. Mind you, Chrysalis had TWO OTHER PONIES with her, and as you mentioned, Hans was ALONE.
What the hey, writers?! Were you thinking anything through at ALL? Heck, speaking of MLP, the twist where Grogar was revealed to be Discord was executed much better than the Hans twist!
This is the only example of me wanting to check out the original source of a Disney movie. The Snow Queen sounds like a fascinating fairy tale, and I think it would have made for a great movie.
If you want to search the original pocahontas story don't do it it's really fucked up
There was a kids show that did an episode on the story if you’d like to see an animated version of it. I remember it being pretty good though I can’t remember the name of the show. I can look it up if you’d like to watch it though :)
It already has made for a good movie. There's a 2D animated film from the 1950's that has actors like Kathleen Turner, Mickey Rooney, and Kirsten Dunst (as a child). I recommend you check that out; it's pretty good!
I remember being 12 as well and seeing the movie for the first time and immediately thinking “that’s it? That’s the movie everyone go crazy about?” Until this day I tried many times to enjoy it the same way i do for tangled but I just can’t.
What I hate is that it’s called a „snow queen“ retelling but it has almost no similarities with the original fairytale
While agreeing to most you say here, I have to point out that the opening sequence clearly shows that Kristoff is all alone. He doesn't belong to the other ice collectors, he's ignored by all of them, they don't pay attention to him or show responsibility for him AT ALL. He's just copying their behaviour so he can find a way to take care of himself, and he doesn't fall behind, he clearly doesn't belong. He's on his own. Then he's adopted by the trolls. That would have been a major problem if they had taken him away from his actual parents, but it's very clear he doesn't have any. That's what connects him to Anna, at least a bit. They're both orphans, and they both grew up mostly alienated from the rest of society.
That's a good point!
I love the movie Frozen.
I missed out on it in theaters though due to me being very busy with community college at the time.
Yet, everyone else endlessly praised it and I saw how wonderfully well it did at the box office , I also happen to be a huge Disney fan myself, and wanted to check out another Disney classic.
I got the movie on DVD for Easter and watched it for the first time on my laptop.
I absolutely fell in love with it and Anna has been my fifth favorite Disney Princess ever since because I just find her absolutely adorable and she reminds me of me so much. :)
I even loved the songs. :)
However, there is one thing that I can't deny admitting.
Once the movie hit the climax part I literally remember feeling this feeling like,
"This is it?"
I felt this feeling like I expected so much more.
I also happen to be a huge musical fan and even I admitted straight from the beginning that I felt like the songs came in the way of the plot.
I have many fond memories of watching this film countless times with the preschoolers when I used to see this movie at the preschool that I worked at.
I even have many fond memories of the preschoolers being absolutely in love with the movie.
But, I just always felt this feeling like I only watched this movie a lot because of the preschoolers.
Don't get me wrong, I do have fond memories of watching the movie myself at home or on a road trip and it always made me feel happy.
But, it just always felt like the type of movie that I would just put to the side and watch here and there.
It always felt like a great movie but it just never touched the other films that I love so much like The Lion King, Tarzan, Mulan, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Enchanted, Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, and even Moana joined that list once that movie came out.
I find myself wanting to watch Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, and Moana so much more and always felt like they had so much more to them and they came out around the time Frozen did before or after.
Videos like this here helps explain why.
I wonder if I myself also felt like it could have so much more and felt rushed in a way.
I'll love to watch the movie again because I do miss it and I do love Frozen 2.
But, I always question whether or not I should own it anymore because of how I feel towards it while I don't feel that way at all with the other films that I had just mentioned.
Thanks, Aldone, for clarifying my feelings you are the best! EEP! :)