I read Carl Olaf book and crisis of conscience. I’m still studying carls book. I’m a jw but I’m astonished at the dishonesty of the WT society. This has been a real eye opener for me. I feel that it’s no use trying to explain this to my jw family or any jw as they cannot believe it. It has to be realized by each individual, otherwise it can become dangerous for those who share. Thank you so much for your honest and open research
I so much love your channel..I recently became aware of it..I'm an exJW...was in for 35 years...been out now for 18.... freedom! Thank you for your dedication and hard work to make honest videos.
Hi Allan Thank you so much for your support. If you have any specific issues you would wish us to address, either by video or email, just let us know. Our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com.
I've asked this question on other sites that address the issue re. the 1914 CE teaching. So far no replies . My question was ,' Where in the Bible are Christians told or commanded to come up with a specific date of Christ's return or. ' presence. ' ? I expect to receive no valid answer to that question. I have never been a member of this religion but enjoy your videos that dig deep into their often strange teachings.
Hello Howard Thank you for your encouragement. There is NO place in the Word where Christ authorizes even speculation about times and seasons, let alone authorizes the PREACHING of times and seasons. One of the most memorable moments in our ministry occurred when we showed an elderly ex-JW named Doris the front cover of Charles Taze Russell's 2nd book -- "The Time is at Hand" (1889). Just before we showed her the book, we read with her Luke 21:8, "the due time has approached" (NWT), but in the NASB and RSV, Russell's exact title, "the time is at hand". Of course, the context of Christ's warning is precisely the presence of false prophets and false messiahs. Luke also is the only one of the Gospel writers who gives us Christ's strict words to the Apostles, "it does not belong to YOU to know the times and seasons" (Acts 1:7). If the Apostles can't know, and even angels and the SON don't know (Matt 24:36), how can we endure the colossal arrogance of ORGS which specialize in times and seasons? The cults and even some TV ministries specialize in interpretation of prophecy and end times. Without these emphases, they would not exist. They all claim knowledge no one else has, and specific insight into the last days. Fear, not faith, is their calling card, their stick to scare us into the kingdom, which is the carrot.
Love your work so very true. True christian love for Jesus as God YHWH says we should have for his son. ..look up bethel in insight book.would love to hear your angle on that subject...No org on earth from God only followers of Jesus known by love.We thank Jesus for his grace. Thank you again for your work.
Good work on this. I am 69 and I am only just studying the JWs as I have grand children who are studying with them and I am finding it hard to wrap my head around their doctrine so I can somehow intervene
Thank you Jim. If there's any way we can help we will. Send us your email address and, if you wish, we will send you some tracts we were eager to put in the hands of Christians when we started our work about 25-30 years back. We wanted to warn them about DO's and DON'Ts -- triggers almost guaranteed to shut down conversation with JW's. Traps which non-JWs tend to walk into innocently, thinking they are just "telling the truth". We want your relationship with your grandchildren to continue.
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 Hello David & Vivian, Ty for all the knowledge you share. I would love a copy of that pdf as well if you are willing to share,.Mlopp77@yahoo.com. I have several friends who are on the way for past 18 months to becoming Baptized JW's .This info would sure help my discussions with them while they are still listening.
Hi Mark Good question. Hard to see how they can officially drop it. even let it fade away, what with so many still alive who remember the 'this generation' insistence even in the 80s & 90s. The 'Tower is indeed in a no man's land they have never known before -- no chronological carrot! Or can they create one -- just as they did in the 1940s, by the simple expedient of moving the end of 6000 years forward by a century? But, of course, that still enabled them to hang on to 1914.
Yes, it maybe took 10-15 years from now to defend 1914 but then must give up because no overlapping generation can anymore stand...that will cause many to leave but for majority they just OBEY that as NEW LIGHT...
You may not see this, i see you are very active on your channel. I am currently part of JW from birth but awakening slowly. I am incredibly saddened. I'm not sure i can believe in a god that isn't the Jehovah I've been taught about, but we'll see where this journey leads me.
Hello Rusty -- We are glad to hear you are awakening and we can understand the sadness. When I left [Vivian here] the disillusionment put me in depression for about a year. We would welcome a private chat with you -- if you want one -- our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com In the meantime, on the attributes of God, you may find these videos profitable and reassuring: "Jehovah's Witnesses, your God is too SMALL! Yahweh WALKS with Abraham!(Genesis4JWs 14)" ua-cam.com/video/al-MiG5KjRg/v-deo.html "Genesis for JWs (19) -- What is the "Spirit of God"? ELOHIM bigger (& smaller!) than JW.org's "God"" ua-cam.com/video/bhA9GLA124Y/v-deo.html "Do JWs know THIS Yahweh? The God who APPEARS, speaks personally ... & makes unconditional promises?" ua-cam.com/video/Y6pnwJsDKxQ/v-deo.html "When I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses my God was WAY too small! King David's YHWH is "the true God"" ua-cam.com/video/KXAa3pfI75o/v-deo.html Would love to hear from you Rusty!
The chapter they use -- Daniel 4 -- does not give ANY of us permission to assume a second level of interpretation involving a day/year switch. As usual, JWs are cherry-picking verses from all over the Bible, NOT sticking to the text and context. The Bible is not designed to be treated as a jigsaw puzzle.
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 thank you. I agree. I enjoy your channel and I give it a lot of thought. I like that you are both not bitter and resentful. I like your honesty.
Hi Aaron -- The 15 million was an estimate of ALL those who have been directly victimized by the WT. At least 4-5 million have died "faithful" JWs. Then there are those who have associated with the JWs, but never been regular publishers. We know of many such poisoned "people of goodwill", who remained outside the ORG officially, yet aloof from "organized religion" due to drinking JW propaganda about "Babylon the great".
it is unlikely that jerusalem could have been besieged in 607 as this would have predated the battle of carcamesh (605) by 2 years and been 2 years after the battle of megiddo (609) and thus while jerusalem was a vassal of egypt. egyptian power had not fallen until 605. according to the writings of josephus, the first siege of jerusalem occurred in 602 after king jehoiakim stopped paying tribute, but this can also fall under questioning. what we do know is that a siege of jerusalem occurred around 597, whether or not there was a siege before that i am not certain, but it wouldn’t have taken place in 607.
Well heck yea it matters. You just bought them another 20 years they could have used before they had to have come up with the overlapping generation brighter new light.
Jude - 1 : 4 Men have slipped in among Christ's brothers and they are still there , and it appears that these ones " The Evil Slave ", probably have more influence over the operations than " The faithful Slave " After all only Jehovah and Jesus can differentiate between the "wheat" and the "weeds" when mere humans cannot. 2 Thes - 2 : 9 But the lawless ones presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying sighs and wonders. 2 Thes - 2 : 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie , Obviously it is part of Jehovah's purpose to allow the deception. , ....but only until the one " The faithful Slave " who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. 2 Thes - 2 : 7
I’m extremely grateful for your UA-cam channel! Loads of important information!
Thank you so much!
You are so welcome! Thank you for watching and encouraging us.
I read Carl Olaf book and crisis of conscience. I’m still studying carls book. I’m a jw but I’m astonished at the dishonesty of the WT society. This has been a real eye opener for me. I feel that it’s no use trying to explain this to my jw family or any jw as they cannot believe it. It has to be realized by each individual, otherwise it can become dangerous for those who share. Thank you so much for your honest and open research
I so much love your channel..I recently became aware of it..I'm an exJW...was in for 35 years...been out now for 18.... freedom! Thank you for your dedication and hard work to make honest videos.
Hi Allan Thank you so much for your support. If you have any specific issues you would wish us to address, either by video or email, just let us know. Our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com.
David & Vivian Aspinall hi I sent you an email, brycer_2000@yahoo.com...please see it doesn't go to spam mail. Thx.
I've asked this question on other sites that address the issue re. the 1914 CE teaching. So far no replies . My question was ,' Where in the Bible are Christians told or commanded to come up with a specific date of Christ's return or. ' presence. ' ? I expect to receive no valid answer to that question. I have never been a member of this religion but enjoy your videos that dig deep into their often strange teachings.
Hello Howard
Thank you for your encouragement. There is NO place in the Word where Christ authorizes even speculation about times and seasons, let alone authorizes the PREACHING of times and seasons. One of the most memorable moments in our ministry occurred when we showed an elderly ex-JW named Doris the front cover of Charles Taze Russell's 2nd book -- "The Time is at Hand" (1889). Just before we showed her the book, we read with her Luke 21:8, "the due time has approached" (NWT), but in the NASB and RSV, Russell's exact title, "the time is at hand". Of course, the context of Christ's warning is precisely the presence of false prophets and false messiahs. Luke also is the only one of the Gospel writers who gives us Christ's strict words to the Apostles, "it does not belong to YOU to know the times and seasons" (Acts 1:7). If the Apostles can't know, and even angels and the SON don't know (Matt 24:36), how can we endure the colossal arrogance of ORGS which specialize in times and seasons? The cults and even some TV ministries specialize in interpretation of prophecy and end times. Without these emphases, they would not exist. They all claim knowledge no one else has, and specific insight into the last days. Fear, not faith, is their calling card, their stick to scare us into the kingdom, which is the carrot.
Love your work so very true.
True christian love for Jesus as God YHWH says we should have for his son. ..look up bethel in insight book.would love to hear your angle on that subject...No org on earth from God only followers of Jesus known by love.We thank Jesus for his grace.
Thank you again for your work.
Good work on this. I am 69 and I am only just studying the JWs as I have grand children who are studying with them and I am finding it hard to wrap my head around their doctrine so I can somehow intervene
Thank you Jim. If there's any way we can help we will. Send us your email address and, if you wish, we will send you some tracts we were eager to put in the hands of Christians when we started our work about 25-30 years back. We wanted to warn them about DO's and DON'Ts -- triggers almost guaranteed to shut down conversation with JW's. Traps which non-JWs tend to walk into innocently, thinking they are just "telling the truth". We want your relationship with your grandchildren to continue.
Our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
David & Vivian Aspinall - I just emailed you to get a copy of that pdf file. Thank you.
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 Hello David & Vivian, Ty for all the knowledge you share. I would love a copy of that pdf as well if you are willing to share,.Mlopp77@yahoo.com. I have several friends who are on the way for past 18 months to becoming Baptized JW's .This info would sure help my discussions with them while they are still listening.
The astronomical records prove the 587 date as well
David, do you think they will eventually just quietly put 1914 to bed?
Hi Mark
Good question. Hard to see how they can officially drop it. even let it fade away, what with so many still alive who remember the 'this generation' insistence even in the 80s & 90s. The 'Tower is indeed in a no man's land they have never known before -- no chronological carrot! Or can they create one -- just as they did in the 1940s, by the simple expedient of moving the end of 6000 years forward by a century? But, of course, that still enabled them to hang on to 1914.
Yes, it maybe took 10-15 years from now to defend 1914 but then must give up because no overlapping generation can anymore stand...that will cause many to leave but for majority they just OBEY that as NEW LIGHT...
@@davidvivianaspinall3498I have notice in the back of their bible B1 they mention 1914 but say nothing about Christ coronation
Can I have the pdf please? Who do I email?
The pdf is on this page onewonders.org/index.php/pdf-archive/
Thank you
You may not see this, i see you are very active on your channel. I am currently part of JW from birth but awakening slowly. I am incredibly saddened. I'm not sure i can believe in a god that isn't the Jehovah I've been taught about, but we'll see where this journey leads me.
Hello Rusty -- We are glad to hear you are awakening and we can understand the sadness. When I left [Vivian here] the disillusionment put me in depression for about a year. We would welcome a private chat with you -- if you want one -- our email is dvmapologia@gmail.com
In the meantime, on the attributes of God, you may find these videos profitable and reassuring:
"Jehovah's Witnesses, your God is too SMALL! Yahweh WALKS with Abraham!(Genesis4JWs 14)" ua-cam.com/video/al-MiG5KjRg/v-deo.html
"Genesis for JWs (19) -- What is the "Spirit of God"? ELOHIM bigger (& smaller!) than JW.org's "God"" ua-cam.com/video/bhA9GLA124Y/v-deo.html
"Do JWs know THIS Yahweh? The God who APPEARS, speaks personally ... & makes unconditional promises?"
ua-cam.com/video/Y6pnwJsDKxQ/v-deo.html
"When I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses my God was WAY too small! King David's YHWH is "the true God"" ua-cam.com/video/KXAa3pfI75o/v-deo.html
Would love to hear from you Rusty!
So, could the jws be right with their interpretation of gentle times workout? If not 1914 then could Jesus have started ruling 20 years later? 1934?
The chapter they use -- Daniel 4 -- does not give ANY of us permission to assume a second level of interpretation involving a day/year switch. As usual, JWs are cherry-picking verses from all over the Bible, NOT sticking to the text and context. The Bible is not designed to be treated as a jigsaw puzzle.
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 thank you. I agree. I enjoy your channel and I give it a lot of thought. I like that you are both not bitter and resentful. I like your honesty.
15 million?!
The last CO visit to the local congregation a few weeks ago asserted it was 8.5 million - are you including bible study guests ?
Hi Aaron -- The 15 million was an estimate of ALL those who have been directly victimized by the WT. At least 4-5 million have died "faithful" JWs. Then there are those who have associated with the JWs, but never been regular publishers. We know of many such poisoned "people of goodwill", who remained outside the ORG officially, yet aloof from "organized religion" due to drinking JW propaganda about "Babylon the great".
607 jerusalem was besieged but that went on for many years I believe. It didn’t fall util 587 bce
it is unlikely that jerusalem could have been besieged in 607 as this would have predated the battle of carcamesh (605) by 2 years and been 2 years after the battle of megiddo (609) and thus while jerusalem was a vassal of egypt. egyptian power had not fallen until 605. according to the writings of josephus, the first siege of jerusalem occurred in 602 after king jehoiakim stopped paying tribute, but this can also fall under questioning. what we do know is that a siege of jerusalem occurred around 597, whether or not there was a siege before that i am not certain, but it wouldn’t have taken place in 607.
Well heck yea it matters. You just bought them another 20 years they could have used before they had to have come up with the overlapping generation brighter new light.
Jude - 1 : 4 Men have slipped in among Christ's brothers and they are still there , and it appears that these ones " The Evil Slave ", probably have more influence over the operations than " The faithful Slave " After all only Jehovah and Jesus can differentiate between the "wheat" and the "weeds" when mere humans cannot. 2 Thes - 2 : 9 But the lawless ones presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying sighs and wonders. 2 Thes - 2 : 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie , Obviously it is part of Jehovah's purpose to allow the deception. , ....but only until the one " The faithful Slave " who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. 2 Thes - 2 : 7
Watchtower is false religion false prophecy. Member of UN.
607 . Say 607 . 0 . Now say 60 + 70 = 130 ; 60 + 07 = 67 ; and 6 + 0 + 7 + 0 = 13 . Now say 130 + 67 +13 = 210 ; 210 divided by 3 equals 70 . 70 : the 70 years prophesied .