It's such a shame that when ones such as yourselves and I, express the reasons we find ourselves in this position of no longer being able to attend meetings, in all good conscience. Our concerns are not even read let alone addressed. However, isn't it so much better to have come to this knowledge of the truth about the watchtower organisation and be free of it, even if it is at the cost of loved ones, which is not a hopeless situation by the way. I'm glad that you have come through this with each other, marriage in tact as mine also is because sadly all too often we hear of breakdowns when only one decides to do real research or not just dumb down valid questions that arise for good reason. Thanks for this video, you expressed yourselves very well in your letter. Vicky 😊
I haven't watched all your videos yet but I promise I will, just pressed for time! A very simple thing woke me up it was the pyramid on Russells grave! I some how always knew that watchtower was connected to the masons. My great-grandfather went to work for Russell in 1890? and brought home the troof to all the family and he was also a mason. When I was little we didn't have a KH so we attended a masonic hall until 1970 when they purchased an old house to turn into a hall but it is closed since 1975 and sold of course! Greetings from PEI God Bless
It's true there are no rational discussion with body of elders. They came visiting us because after our realizing they disown the Christ by they're denying the increments at memorial. Not agreeing or going along with their "two witness rule" dealing of children being molested by members of JW organization, and their obsession of 1914. After personally researching the eschotology of JW on line under Wikipedia. I came to realize the relationship of Adventist. Nothing could had been more convincing than the article in Wikipedia. I am not bitter or angry or even disappointed in my being disfellowshipped. I look at it as Satan throwing me out once the mask of "angel of light" was revealed. True, if Satan pretends to be an angel of light so would his followers. I did not submit myself to be derided by the judicial committee under Satanic control.So upon receiving a certified letter from an Elder with my appointment and notification they would proceed whether present or not. I disguarded the letter as nothing important as I reason that Satan has no hold on me. I am tremendous grateful that Jehovah's Spirit guides and enlightened me to put on the new personality and follow his son, Christ Jesus. The greatest book to read is the Bible. I can interpret scripture just as well as the organization. I recognize everyone interprets scripture to their own understanding. We live by our understanding. So on Judgement Day, I'll answer for my own decisions. If the blind leads the blind they both fall into the pit. Better to be lead by God's spirit and example of his son, not mans.
"You want to say Hello too?". Cute. ☺️. This is Sheryl..Bogolin . I have chanced on your videos before,. But didn't continue because I had read crisis of conscience 2 times at. least. Now that I have met you on Grace fellowship studies,. I wanted to hear your backstory. Onward!
Love you both! The research you both do is outstanding, nothing short of amazing!!! KEEP UP THE WORK OF GOD ;CALLING THOSE OF MINIMUM WINDOW OF LOGICAL THOUGHT IN CONTRAST WHICH OBVIOUS TO THE THINKER IS NOT GOOD LOGIC OR OUTRIGHT FOOLISHNESS. EACH OF THE PREDICTED ARMAGEDDON AFTER 1914 THEY BEGAN TO HEDGE.... ALLOWING ESCAPE BY WIGGLE ROOM OF STATEMENTS MADE IN WT.
Your support is welcome, kram. We receive some discouraging messages, but realize that the JW community (and the ex-JW too) are bruised, battered and in pain. So your encouragement is cherished.
Love the video, I've been doing my own research and wrote down several areas of disagreement with doctrine and practices of WT. I'm up to 5 main reasons so far and counting..... I wish I had more time!
Viv and david my son and daughter were df some years ago my son came back but my daughter hasn't ...iv never shunned or disowned either of my children and I never will not for all ta tea in China . I don't give a damm wat wt says or it foot soldiers do I'd rather take my chances with jesus ...he's more forgiving than they'll ever be, he showd" doggy love" (unconditional)they show conditional lv ..big difference.I'd like to send all ta best to both of u and a little comment your son max? does a beaut job in ta filming of u videos.warm regards sandee.
I woke up two years ago after reading the history of JWs, on the books Proclaimers and the J W in the XX century. Just only because I broke my leg and had to stay at home for several months that I could dig into our spiritual inheritance readinf those old books. . That, I think is one of the best ways to realize that this is a man made organization and its teachings makes no sense.
I don't think I've seen Vivian's video on her leaving. I'm sorry you're yet two more people who honestly spoke out and paid for that 'crime'. Although, of course, it lead to your freedom.
God Almighty Is proud of you! We are all sinners but we are saved through Faith in Jesus Christ. This 200 Page letter to your family members , the Congregation and The Bethel Brothers demonstrates not only your love for God but also for your Brothers( Jude 1:22,23).In addition God says, "RID yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, slander...."(Peter 2:1-3). Your consciences are clean infront of all men! They (The governing Body) , who continue to be unrepentent will suffer the punishment of Hell whereas the true believers NOW have peace of Conscience and have entered God's "Rest"(Hebrews 4:3-9).
Love you David and Vivian. Love your beard David. So happy that I can finally enjoy you dear friends without having to judge you based on your grooming.
I enjoyed your video. I too left because I examined my religion, comparing Christ and his apostle's teachings to Watchtower teachings. I am curious how you came to the conclusion the Gentile Times ended in 1950. It looks to me the gentiles are still ruling themselves.. their times have not ended as far as I can see. It won't end until Christ comes to rule over them.
It’s their brainwashing still. And I mean that not sarcastically. I’m finally waking up from the brainwashing of the religion. The harvest is now. People are being called. Mild, meek and Christians of little religious background or even a home base church. He calling us out.
But people probably assume it’s because you wanted to go off and do sins like growing beards and stuff. LOL The part where you said you knew you couldn’t have a rational convo w family is so relatable. I was not able to either and actually got physically sick trying to do it. Because I knew how devastating it was for my family to believe I became “apostate.” 🤦♀️
Hi Samantha -- The physical symptoms you describe became real for us, especially when we tried to keep going to meetings after waking up. Glad you can LOL nowadays!
If a religious cult is offering truth it should be able to openly meet any challenge with evidence instead of condemning and shunning the challenger. Organizing your life around an ancient text is a sure way of stifling mental development.
Unlike goofballs like Tony Morris and Steven Lett I believe you will both be rewarded with eternal life. The only condition I would place on that IS that you must continue to make more of these very informative videos. :) :) :) :) :) I still chuckle at Tony sneaking off to the liquor store on sunday morning and missing out on the public talk and the watchtower study. It's funny in a way but really sadly pathetic ! ! ! Kind of reminds me of the 13 year old boy cutting class to sneak out and have a ciggy. IT'S NUTS
I do not believe governing body member ... I'm apostate 🤣 Salvation is dependent on John 17-3 not governing body This is eternal life Come to know you only God and whom you send Messiah
200 pages -- HUH ? ? - Deuteronomy 18:21-22 - 21 If you wonder, ‘How shall we know whether the prophecy is from the Lord or not?’ 22 this is the way to know: If the thing he prophesies doesn’t happen, it is not the Lord who has given him the message; he has made it up himself. You have nothing to fear from him. -- all of us are venerable to satanic influences -- we are not perfect - we are just forgiven -- if we have the key - John 15:17-19 - 17 I demand that you love each other, 18 for you get enough hate from the world! But then, it hated me before it hated you. 19 The world would love you if you belonged to it; but you don’t-for I chose you to come out of the world, and so it hates you. - the rich men in the tower - are surely doing the best they can -- just like us ! mistakes made by the truck load -- hahahahaha -- it is quite unique to SEE -- Isaiah 42:19 - Who in all the world is as blind as my own people, who are designed to be my messengers of truth? Who is so blind as my “dedicated one,” the “servant of the Lord”? -- Exodus 34:14 - For you must worship no other gods, but only Jehovah - 1 John 4:7 - Dear friends, let us practice loving each other, for love comes from God and those who are loving and kind show that they are the children of God, and that they are getting to know him better. - 2 Peter 1:5 - But to obtain these gifts, you need more than faith; you must also work hard to be good, and even that is not enough. For then you must learn to know God better and discover what he wants you to do. - a churches name should not be - we hate watchtower leaders -- find a better name please ! -- Matthew 5: “There is a saying, ‘Love your friends and hate your enemies.’ But I say: Love your enemies - Pray for those who hate you! In that way you will be acting as true sons of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust too. -- just ask ? ! - hating me won't help either -- hahahahahaha
It's such a shame that when ones such as yourselves and I, express the reasons we find ourselves in this position of no longer being able to attend meetings, in all good conscience. Our concerns are not even read let alone addressed. However, isn't it so much better to have come to this knowledge of the truth about the watchtower organisation and be free of it, even if it is at the cost of loved ones, which is not a hopeless situation by the way. I'm glad that you have come through this with each other, marriage in tact as mine also is because sadly all too often we hear of breakdowns when only one decides to do real research or not just dumb down valid questions that arise for good reason.
Thanks for this video, you expressed yourselves very well in your letter. Vicky 😊
What !you both disfellowshiped. Wow you two are the finest Christian's around. thanks for sharing. You are inspirational to us .
I've seen your videos and was very moved. It's a good thing to make these videos for others in the same situation.
I agree. Its sad to realize one has wasted precious time in false religion, but it is wonderful to get out and to realize one is finally FREE!!!!!!
Much love to you two David and Vivian.
And the same to you, Sheldon. Thanks for your encouragement.
Thank you for making me more aware.
I haven't watched all your videos yet but I promise I will, just pressed for time! A very simple thing woke me up it was the pyramid on Russells grave! I some how always knew that watchtower was connected to the masons. My great-grandfather went to work for Russell in 1890? and brought home the troof to all the family and he was also a mason. When I was little we didn't have a KH so we attended a masonic hall until 1970 when they purchased an old house to turn into a hall but it is closed since 1975 and sold of course! Greetings from PEI God Bless
Thank you for putting this information out there for our benefit.
I just love the two of you, beautiful couple.
It's true there are no rational discussion with body of elders. They came visiting us because after our realizing they disown the Christ by they're denying the increments at memorial. Not agreeing or going along with their "two witness rule" dealing of children being molested by members of JW organization, and their obsession of 1914. After personally researching the eschotology of JW on line under Wikipedia. I came to realize the relationship of Adventist. Nothing could had been more convincing than the article in Wikipedia. I am not bitter or angry or even disappointed in my being disfellowshipped. I look at it as Satan throwing me out once the mask of "angel of light" was revealed. True, if Satan pretends to be an angel of light so would his followers. I did not submit myself to be derided by the judicial committee under Satanic control.So upon receiving a certified letter from an Elder with my appointment and notification they would proceed whether present or not. I disguarded the letter as nothing important as I reason that Satan has no hold on me. I am tremendous grateful that Jehovah's Spirit guides and enlightened me to put on the new personality and follow his son, Christ Jesus. The greatest book to read is the Bible. I can interpret scripture just as well as the organization. I recognize everyone interprets scripture to their own understanding. We live by our understanding. So on Judgement Day, I'll answer for my own decisions. If the blind leads the blind they both fall into the pit. Better to be lead by God's spirit and example of his son, not mans.
"You want to say Hello too?". Cute. ☺️. This is Sheryl..Bogolin . I have chanced on your videos before,. But didn't continue because I had read crisis of conscience 2 times at.
least. Now that I have met you on Grace fellowship studies,. I wanted to hear your backstory. Onward!
wow you guys are good. very thorough. and very convincing. its a shame watchtower wont hear the truth about their own lies. keep up your work.
Love you both! The research you both do is outstanding, nothing short of amazing!!!
KEEP UP THE WORK OF GOD ;CALLING THOSE OF MINIMUM WINDOW OF LOGICAL THOUGHT IN CONTRAST WHICH OBVIOUS TO THE THINKER IS NOT GOOD LOGIC OR OUTRIGHT FOOLISHNESS. EACH OF THE PREDICTED ARMAGEDDON AFTER 1914 THEY BEGAN TO HEDGE.... ALLOWING ESCAPE BY WIGGLE ROOM OF STATEMENTS
MADE IN WT.
Your support is welcome, kram. We receive some discouraging messages, but realize that the JW community (and the ex-JW too) are bruised, battered and in pain. So your encouragement is cherished.
Love your analysis of things. I've just found your videos and I'm enjoying them very much. Thanks.
Love the video, I've been doing my own research and wrote down several areas of disagreement with doctrine and practices of WT.
I'm up to 5 main reasons so far and counting.....
I wish I had more time!
Awesome.... Powerful testimony ... evidence, I'm sure, available on request?
Viv and david my son and daughter were df some years ago my son came back but my daughter hasn't ...iv never shunned or disowned either of my children and I never will not for all ta tea in China . I don't give a damm wat wt says or it foot soldiers do I'd rather take my chances with jesus ...he's more forgiving than they'll ever be, he showd" doggy love" (unconditional)they show conditional lv ..big difference.I'd like to send all ta best to both of u and a little comment your son max? does a beaut job in ta filming of u videos.warm regards sandee.
I woke up two years ago after reading the history of JWs, on the books Proclaimers and the J W in the XX century. Just only because I broke my leg and had to stay at home for several months that I could dig into our spiritual inheritance readinf those old books. . That, I think is one of the best ways to realize that this is a man made organization and its teachings makes no sense.
I don't think I've seen Vivian's video on her leaving. I'm sorry you're yet two more people who honestly spoke out and paid for that 'crime'. Although, of course, it lead to your freedom.
I can cry about what you have been ging through by losing your familie
God Almighty Is proud of you! We are all sinners but we are saved through Faith in Jesus Christ. This 200 Page letter to your family members , the Congregation and The Bethel Brothers demonstrates not only your love for God but also for your Brothers( Jude 1:22,23).In addition God says, "RID yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, slander...."(Peter 2:1-3). Your consciences are clean infront of all men! They (The governing Body) , who continue to be unrepentent will suffer the punishment of Hell whereas the true believers NOW have peace of Conscience and have entered God's "Rest"(Hebrews 4:3-9).
❤
Thanks for this and for replying to my personal email!
LOL I love you guys! xx
Love you David and Vivian. Love your beard David. So happy that I can finally enjoy you dear friends without having to judge you based on your grooming.
I enjoyed your video. I too left because I examined my religion, comparing Christ and his apostle's teachings to Watchtower teachings. I am curious how you came to the conclusion the Gentile Times ended in 1950. It looks to me the gentiles are still ruling themselves.. their times have not ended as far as I can see. It won't end until Christ comes to rule over them.
It’s their brainwashing still. And I mean that not sarcastically. I’m finally waking up from the brainwashing of the religion. The harvest is now. People are being called. Mild, meek and Christians of little religious background or even a home base church. He calling us out.
Can one get a copy of your document?
Even a pdf online maybe!?
But people probably assume it’s because you wanted to go off and do sins like growing beards and stuff. LOL
The part where you said you knew you couldn’t have a rational convo w family is so relatable. I was not able to either and actually got physically sick trying to do it. Because I knew how devastating it was for my family to believe I became “apostate.” 🤦♀️
Hi Samantha -- The physical symptoms you describe became real for us, especially when we tried to keep going to meetings after waking up. Glad you can LOL nowadays!
If a religious cult is offering truth it should be able to openly meet any challenge with evidence instead of condemning and shunning the challenger.
Organizing your life around an ancient text is a sure way of stifling mental development.
After hearing this! I don't think there's much hope for me ,or other honest hearted Christians !!
I think it interesting that Watchtower NWT claims now that the devil was sent to earth 1914. So was it the Christ and the devil, or just the devil?
Is this document available online?
Hello Ryan, We finally finished editing this document. So send us your email address at dvmapologia@gmail.com and we will speed off the pdf
@@davidvivianaspinall3498 thank you
So much poison they have planted in ppls minds 😢
Unlike goofballs like Tony Morris and Steven Lett I believe you will both be rewarded with eternal life. The only condition I would place on that IS that you must continue to make more of these very informative videos. :) :) :) :) :) I still chuckle at Tony sneaking off to the liquor store on sunday morning and missing out on the public talk and the watchtower study. It's funny in a way but really sadly pathetic ! ! ! Kind of reminds me of the 13 year old boy cutting class to sneak out and have a ciggy. IT'S NUTS
I do not believe governing body member ...
I'm apostate 🤣
Salvation is dependent on John 17-3 not governing body
This is eternal life
Come to know you only God and whom you send Messiah
200 pages -- HUH ? ? - Deuteronomy 18:21-22 - 21 If you wonder, ‘How shall we know whether the prophecy is from the Lord or not?’ 22 this is the way to know: If the thing he prophesies doesn’t happen, it is not the Lord who has given him the message; he has made it up himself. You have nothing to fear from him. -- all of us are venerable to satanic influences -- we are not perfect - we are just forgiven -- if we have the key - John 15:17-19 - 17 I demand that you love each other, 18 for you get enough hate from the world! But then, it hated me before it hated you. 19 The world would love you if you belonged to it; but you don’t-for I chose you to come out of the world, and so it hates you. - the rich men in the tower - are surely doing the best they can -- just like us ! mistakes made by the truck load -- hahahahaha -- it is quite unique to SEE -- Isaiah 42:19 - Who in all the world is as blind as my own people, who are designed to be my messengers of truth? Who is so blind as my “dedicated one,” the “servant of the Lord”? -- Exodus 34:14 - For you must worship no other gods, but only Jehovah - 1 John 4:7 - Dear friends, let us practice loving each other, for love comes from God and those who are loving and kind show that they are the children of God, and that they are getting to know him better. - 2 Peter 1:5 - But to obtain these gifts, you need more than faith; you must also work hard to be good, and even that is not enough. For then you must learn to know God better and discover what he wants you to do. - a churches name should not be - we hate watchtower leaders -- find a better name please ! -- Matthew 5: “There is a saying, ‘Love your friends and hate your enemies.’ But I say: Love your enemies - Pray for those who hate you! In that way you will be acting as true sons of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust too. -- just ask ? ! - hating me won't help either -- hahahahahaha