1977 Toyota Celica RestoMod Build - EP14 - FIRST DRIVE!
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2023
- Our 1977 Toyota Celica with an ITB Beams 3SGE swap hits the street for a first drive
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All of these builds make me appreciate the engineering that goes into OEM parts and I'd be inclined to mess with as little of it as humanly possible if I expect any level of street driveability. As soon as I'd start modifying for track performance I'd waive any expectation of a quiet comfortable ride.
Literally. Original toyota stuff specifically is always so generously engineered I found working on a few is300 and gs cars.
A high end suspension will be firm AND supple.
Ditto! Sorry that the shake down was not satisfactory
Have to be brave & test stuff out if you want to improve something, with an initial idea considering as many factors as possible although it is hard and not possible to consider every factor in every case. Not a huge fan of the random prices of original parts that's why I've loved aftermarket but for people who have a endless amount of money I could easily see having a OE bias.
That clunk is pinion angle. It will put you sideways under hard brakes into pinion angle push. Put a go pro under the car and film it. Those spherical bearings I ran on my car and the noise and vibration was horrible. So I made the mount to the body a super pro rubber style mount. Much much better and it helped with axle tramp and better articulation under load 👍 good work
A lot of it is natural as well with a light flywheel and a strong lsd/1.5 or 2 way lock.
I've been following this build for 6 YEARS NOW and after my deployment, I'm going to get after my 76 liftback. I've been re-watching your older videos so I can start ordering mostly the exact parts you all used I can't wait. (I ordered one part already a LONG time ago and that was 2 speed academy license plate covers)
Nice to see this car rollin'. It's beautiful and y'all should be proud of the work you've done.
Peter should be proud of the work and Dave should be a proud owner 😊
Now you see how much engineering goes into a modern car that can rip, do 300k miles, and not shake the driver into a froth. 😮
Guys, this video is the best. Chasing down good experience; I hope it beats out PT’s dithering with old BMW’s for views!
Flywheel -- If you put in a lightweight flywheel, it can/will resonate. The sound is exactly like what I hear on mine. You'll learn to hate/live with it. My next clutch replacement will be the time I go back to OEM on it. This just made me think for a moment. Wonder if a good harmonic balancer might help... I'm thinking maybe so. Thought I'd share the brainstorming.
#facts
The slight noise is worth the throttle response
The 3000rpm rumble is a very common thing in the Altezza too. If you change to a more solid shifter it will become even more apparent.
@@bobbyhulse378 I put a lighter shift knob on my ND1 and that’s the only modification on the whole car, and that made the knob rattle at lower rpm/high load ranges.
Could definitely be THE problem or at least dramatically contributing to it. If it happens at a particular RPM, it's definitely some resonance going on. Dual Mass doesn't just make engagement easier, it also eliminates a lot of NVH and resonance. As someone else said though, from experience, if you're building a performance focused car the pick up and responsiveness is worth the noise and harshness.
Stoked DP is one step closer to the car of his dreams! Really enjoyed this series and sad its coming to an end! Not many well-documented cars built to this degree with custom and one-off parts like this on youtube! Keep it up boys!
Ring and pinions are a dark arts. Especially if using aftermarket gears
For a street car you'd enjoy having bushed 4-links significantly more. I switched to rose link jointed 4-links in my AE86 but got tired of the clunks. Ended up swapping the ends for urethane (keeping the adjustable links so still tunable) which removed the clunks (same issue, clunks at low speed). Dialing in the working angle for the driveshaft UJ's to both 1.5 degrees front and rear smoothed out the drive as well.
T3 makes a brushed link that replaces the heims. Something older corolla dudes is run half heim and half brushed
I've built a 1971 Celica with a S2000 motor/transmission swap and replaced all my bushings with heim joints. The noise and clunks it made was just what you would naturally hear from a tin can shell from the 70's that's been highly modified and put together with junkyard parts.
You topping up the coolant sounded just like my middle of the night trip to the loo.
Awesome work!! I loved seeing this car on Street Bandito!!
Cant beat ITBs for sound
SA, 26 years ago, I enlisted into the Army and sold my '77 OEM Celica (with a trunk, not a fastback). It was a 'GT' trim with a 5-speed manual transmission and the 20R 2.2-litr engine. I bought the car for $700 and wish I still had it. I still have the OEM shift knob from it though.
What an epic build this has been. Must be as rewarding as frustrating to be so close to victory!
I love how close DP’s face was to that bolt when he was pressing the pinion out with it.
that sound is chef's kiss 😘
Urethane rod ends at one end of the four links will get rid of most of the noise.
As pleased as you are with the rear end... OEM cars did not have that noise from gear slack until you had beat the living daylights out it. Think I'd get a true pro to dig into it, configure it, maybe make an episode out of it. Brake/rotor noise also troubles me - but hey, it's just me. Such a fine, fine car otherwise... Connie deserves a massage by the best hands out there 😛
Sounds amazing 👏
Such a tease! Can't wait to see it on track
I want a build a classic jdm car just so I can put a set of Equip 40s on it. These wheels are soooo good on small older cars.
CM Autohaus! Represent!
Amazing work!!!! And the perfect choice in engine also!
When I added solid subframe bushes and a lightweight flywheel it get this harmonic on decel between 3-4K rpm. I think it’s just harmonics between the engine and driveline.
So awesome seeing this driving, now for all the minor fixes after such an intense resto build
The coast resonance is the gear lash transmitting from your transmission. Its usually contributed by a lightened clutch and flywheel with an old gearbox.
The bushingless heim joints in the rear translate alot of noise and vibration into the chassis. I had these on my ae86 and ended up switching back to rubber bushings for the rear, and it fixed it.
OMG those beautiful noises.... I put in some hush mat with a new carpet kit in my 77 it helps but she's still a 46 year old girl on coilovers and performance tires
Give that thing the beans cause damn it sounds good.
Sounds to me like normal old school rear end noise being transferred through the cabin because of the lack of rubber bushings. Its the trade off you get with stiffer suspension components.
I’m glad to see this car back on the channel!
I'd love to see a dragy test for 0-60 since it's so hard to tell speed in a video.
Nice to see some progress on it!! It sounds like a k series to me inside the car.
Sounds like my 84’ Liftback 😂❤️
It's so funny to see this, we used to modify the hell out of these cars when I was in high school but nobody took it to that level back then!
Giving it the beams!
What a glorious sound Connie makes! 🥰
Awesome, awesome, awesome guys!!! I'd love to see it again someday.
What an amazing sounding car. Great job guys!
Great episode as always guys!
This car is as beautiful from below as it is above. Love the updates and continues improvements your making.
Beautiful. Health to enjoy!
Loving the warts and all videos in addition to the music montages, this channel is great!
looking forward to the tmp laps
Late to the party here Dave. But man this reminds me where I'm at with mine. Way way far off from being completed. lol. Also your lucky Nate Gold came through. lol. I'll be reaching out when I get to my rear end. !! Looking good !
Holly shit these itbs sound so nice.
Please make a video on tuning the suspension. There are loads of videos on installing the parts but few good ones and tuning the parts. I’ve really enjoyed this build!
16:30 is where the drive starts
I enjoyed that video! Also car sounds amazing!
It sounds so good.
The car looks great and that Beems engine does sound good.
Well done on the entire journey fellas.... pleasure to watch this series.
(I miss the evo though, LOL)
16:26 Those grinding sounds, the rattles, the uncomfortable ride/suspension and the shaky steering shows cars have come a long way, classic cars look fantastic but not a lot of fun to drive if you are used to modern cars.
Love it! I ran into a clunk like that when I slammed my c10, it was pinion angle. Hope that helps!
The Lisle funnel system is a great cheap tool, Way easier to use this gravity system than any other burping system. I see problems with airpockets all the time because people don't realize how important it is!
toyota m75 diff is the way to go. very common swap in old rear wheel drive toyotas with a beams or 2jz swap in South Africa
well done !!
Hell yeah dudes!
pico scope has a really nice nvh kit to nail down the noises.
As always a great vid..just a suggestion..we need more track vids..the builds are amazing we just want to see them at track..that celica sounds amazing..
Man, I forgot that I was emotionally invested with this build a long time ago
I would suggest checking the trans mount. That could also be passing the NVH into the chassis.
Canadians are polite but, that driver wanted you to go by so that can get a longer look at Connie. 😂
Funny you guys had that thing about NVH, everytime I hope back in my Civic SI coming from my BMW, the Civic sounds so broken lol. So much more feeling and noise in the Civic but it's normal. The BMW is more quiet and smooth
remember when you have like 90k sub and now look at you 615k, Congrarts, been follo since 17 now i m 26 xD
Kudos for setting up your own diff. I'll rebuild manual trans, engines, and any kind of routine maintainance, but I'll nope on out for differentials. They are so much repetitive work.
That little metal ring around the diff drain hole so oil doesn't run down to the bottom of it and make a mess and also to shield it from road debris... Old Japanese stuff is just so good!
Yeah my Ford 9" has the same thing
Yes
If you guys are even close to Cincinnati, I'd love to do a proper Ceramic coating on it.😊
Might wanna do some dynamats for sound deadening. Besides awesome job.
My first car was a 76 Celica Coop, it was stolen and totaled shortly after I put a mustang 5 l engine in it, man I miss that car
sickkkkk
You may think me insane but I had diff noise troubles in my E46 M3 at very slow speeds while turning. Like in a parking lot. I tried some Royal purple for LSD and it made it worse. I tried some friction modifier additive from Liqui Moli to no avail! Then before I spent $2000 plus on a rebuild I decided to use the actual BMW diff fluid which is STUPID expensive at $90 per 500ML and the diff needed 1.2L of fluid. Which was why I tried the other fluids first. Like magic NO More Noise. That was 4 years ago and it's still as quiet as a mouse. Do what you will with that ture info. Oh it is a factory "M" clutch diff.
Those rose joints in the rear are what are causing a lot of your road noise. I'd get the diff checked by a specialist as well.
Rad!
It sounds like my AP1 S2000
That 3000 rpm and lower coasting issue could be an issue in the overrun section of the VE or ignition tuning table. Maybe more fuel is needed to add the slightest load or momentum while coasting? I'm having a bucking that produces a diff clunking at 2000 rpms and lower that i suspect is in the tuning. Good video guys🏆
Late 73'St Celica had for while from 78'got oblong front Lights Celica later on then COW middle of road In foggy in parts of road ..Scrapped it..
It screams!
I have a resonance at ~3000rpm on my NB2 MX-5 (lightweight clutch/flywheel/kaaz 2way/mazdaspeed diff/engine mounts). I only get it in gears 1 2 3 4 on lift off coasting. I think it is the synchros in the gearbox not anything to do with the diff. I've heard something similar before in 60 series Land cruiser and had the gearbox rebuilt. Noise was gone after that. That box did have like half a million Km's on though and my MX-5 has 160k on it.
"its already fixing itself" LMFAO
Install a Fluiddamper or ATI Superdamper it should really help with the NVH
Sounds like what I had on my 2001 ap1 s2000 transmission. In gear and decelerating after 3000 rpm.
I bet the 3000rpm 'resonance' has to do with the pinion angle and the Techno Toy spherical parts accentuating it.
Make a skid plate even factory celica had a skid plate to protect the oil pan.
Try some shockproof, it’ll help quiet down the drivetrain
Those vibrations is going to be the driveshaft..I had the same issue
IRS rear end swap ;)
You need a rear sway bar.
😎👍
in regards to setting the wear pattern on the coast side, did you experiment with setting the pinion depth?
i did notice shims being added for the spacer. but you can move the pinion towards the centerline of the ring gear by adding shims to the other bearing.
this would affect both drive and coast side and provide a different range of results for wear patterns after setting preload/lash.
All that clunking might come from the expensive Techno Toy Tuning heim joints bolted to the unibody. All the vibration and rattling flows from the ground all the way the drivers spine. That's why in my '77 Celica I'm modifying my stock 4 Links/Panhard Bar and making them adjustable! That's gonna be my next video!
Did I see F8X calipers on a shelf for the E92 M3 during that bench bleeding scene???
Custom carbon fiber driveshaft. Will it fix the vibrations. Probably not but would be cool. LSD just needs 500 miles break-in.
Not sure exactly what you are running for diff as I thought I saw Tomei stamped on the diff. I am running an entire weir 4.77 gearset w/ maxxgrip lsd kit rebuild in an ae86, which was assembled and sent to me by Spencer Weir. I have about 20k miles on it no issues, he always told me to run the non synthetic valvoline that has the additive and keep the housing clean and I have never had that chatter or an issues. May be a different setup so I may be mispoken here, just thought id add.
Drive shaft could need clocked 90° one way or the other
How do we get DPs hat?
Is that master cylinder for rear drum brakes? It might still have a residual pressure valve to hold the brake shoes close to the drum