War Thunder - DID GAIJIN MESSED UP in the SEEK & DESTROY UPDATE?
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Multipath is not the issue, it’s the fact that you cannot earn reliable RP and SL with the stock kit. I think ground targets should be spread out across the map so that stock players can avoid the cluster of enemies while grinding for better weapons
Those jets that don't have ARH missiles will still suffer in the ARH lobbies even if they are fully upgraded. Abusing multipathing was and would be a counterplay to having worse weapons.
Multipath is in fact the issue as non ARH armed aircraft can’t do anything, and the ones that do have fox-3s just play defensive the whole game because it’s the only way to play. Passive gameplay isn’t fun and isn’t good for the game
@@notafrog2040 Multipath has to be reworked at some point or another for the sake of realism. Gaijin just needs to rework ground stuff so you can farm RP reliably even without Fox 3 missiles
yup we need wider map not long
Here before he fixes the typo in the title
Been an hour it's still the same
Context in case he fixes it. Title: “Did Gaijin messed up in the Seek and Destroy Update?”
@@drevile4022 yeah not sure if he will, he had one I commented the same thing on and he never fixed it
That's how he would pronounce that sentence so he may never fix the typo
I mean it's obvious that english is not his first language but he should know these things already but ok
Honestly my main issue with the update is stock grinding is near impossible. Honestly, the idea of “stock vs spades” is just not fit anymore, because you have to play a genuinely horrible plane (for example, stock f16A) against much better equipment repeatedly until you can finally make the plane even somewhat competitive
Don't worry content creators are too busy showing off the new premium vehicles and no one is pushing against Gaijin to naturally Decompress all BR's by making match making + - 0.7 instead of + - 1.0
The 6v6 matches just didn't happen at all yet. and I played A LOT
The lower matches arent 6v6
i'ts no 6v6 and will never be, it's 12v12, 6 is the minimun amount of player on the team and this minimun will never happen.
out of almost 200 matches I played after I turned on the setting, I only got ONE 6v6 match... just one
Got into one 6v6 match two days ago when the servers were hanging a bit, was fun before i got killed by an AIM-120. Didn't need to worry about many players going high and blasting FOX-3's at everything that moves
@@EntityPilot there was "6v6" option before the minimum hasn't changed
Multipath nerf is unpopular, because it makes stock grinding impossible, because you cant push up reliably to get into heatseeker range. also planes that dont have fox 3s like the mig 29g is always forced onto the defence, since it only has the short range playstyle left and, again, pushing up into dogfight range is impossible without eating 10 slamraams to the face
It's almost like they did that on purpose to push module GE sales....
@@MrNPCif the goal was to push GE sales then multi pathing would’ve been nerfed ages ago
Your logic is terrible
My issue as a 2000 plus hr top tier player 10.7 and up is that its very exploitable for people and planes that would get spanked but simply cause they get in the air first with a plane with good radar weapons climb acceleration and is spaded they just spam and run its wack for game play
This is a load of horseshit and anyone who believes it is bad. I stock grinded the av8b+ and it was easy. Not a struggle in the slightest and actually fun
@@lippytheoneguy8968 not according to the majority of votes so far. My experience has been pretty terrible in the stock grind too, to the point where I am not even gonna bother with the F-15C and Su-25SM stock grinds.
honestly not just top tier should get stock radar missiles.
stuff like the F4E should get 2 Aim7s aswell
the one question i think was missing there is about BR compression, i dont think 11.3 jets should be able to see Fox 3s. let alone 12.0 jets forced to fight 13.0s, thats just an extremly onesided fight even if its something like F16A vs F16C.
people don't like mutlipath because they have absolutely no clue how to notch and they don't want to learn, and they never learned before fox 3's, so it just feels like gaijin has made radar missiles too strong. I think the main issue is the over scaled trees/buildings and phoenix blast radius and spam at 10.7-11.7 where there is no offensive counter to them
notching is boring to do over and over again
@@ferrous3262 and hugging the ground and pressing W every game is not? Lol.
I think that with current top tier lobby sizes, multipath should not have been changed. Too many missiles to notch at the same time right now
"just notch bro" ah yea i'm going to notch an amraam at no escape range while stock with no chaff
@@ferrous3262okay? that unfortunate for you because realistically multi path should be almost non existent 💀
Multipath nerf is cool but bad at the same time for me
As a ground player I've really liked the update, there have been some very fun vehicles released. However it seems to me that Air AB/RB players aren't liking it though.
Mainly because they don't know the skill of evading missiles. Before they were able to get by for just flying low and sending a fox-2. Now they actually have to evade a missile that actually has a chance of hitting them.
they can increase it again a tiiiny bit, like to 75m maybe, no more than that.
Sincerely, I enabled, Gaijin disabled, then I enabled again, and today almost all my matches were 12x12, and around 1 in 3 were even smaller. Just early in the evening, the bigger matches started to be more frequent, but I gather thats the peak traffic time.
Gaijin never added the word balance into his vocabulary?
tf is balance? never heard of it.
Well tbh rn is the most balanced the game has ever been. No Fox-3 has a multipath advantage like before, and each Fox-3 is a trade. Like you can have the Aim-54 which can shoot from God awful far away however you lose a bunch of manuerving in that missile making it to where 2 turns and that missile is most likely beaten. Or to go to the other extreme you can have the Mica, the most manuverable missile in the game (maybe the exception of the R-73 and what ever the AMX has) however your reach is similar to a fox-1 if not just a little bit further than a Fox-1. Then you have the R-77 and Aim-120. The Aim-120 wanted just a small amount more range however the R-77 gaining a lot more manuverability by giving up some range.
So balance ain't the issue at least in top tier sim.
I think a good option would be to have different multi pathing for different missile types. Keep it at 60m for semi active and change it to 80 m for Fox 3 missiles. It would make the semi active missiles a little more competitive so planes that can't have Fox 3 wouldn't be at such a disadvantage.
Yes this is perfect
they need to fix the mig23 radar
Yeah thats the main issue not multipathing
What's up with the radar?
@@kajmak64bit76it’s Russian
@@Starkogi ok then
*installs Belarussian radar
Wasn’t it shit tier in rl? I thought this was a fix
The only problem is the match size and that’s genuinely it. Because of how many missiles come flying towards you it’s impossible to notch and hence people want multipathing to change so they can evade the fox 3s. With a smaller match people would take time to learn defensive flying
honestly i think that multipathing being at 60m it's great for top top tier since if it was like it was before the fox3's would be useless, but they should add smaller matches, make more objectives to stock grind, and make them possible to reach and the most important thing, rebalance 11.7 planes like the f14 or f4s wich have fox 3 and aim7f wich are stupid broken in such a low br where not all the planes have a good rwr to notch or don't have enough chaff, but overall i don't think the solution it's going back and just kissing the ground to avoid the radar missile, i like notching but please god nerf the 3km headon with radar missiles wich are impossible to notch or do anything against them.
I honestly was kinda excited for the update. But since I have to stock grind the F-15C with 2 9Ms I lost motivation and stopped. This is hilarious against fox-3s
I think the multipathing should be different per radar/missile. That way it's more realistic and people can learn how to defeat missiles with eirly radar missiles
for the two things that surprised you here is my opnion (6:43)
1 the gameplay question can be interpreted as in people spamming the misseles, sure it is fun for a while but later can become obnoxious having so many misseles out isn`t fun
2 for the same reason most people if gaijin let people spam them the MP should be reverted to what it was back them because it would be easier to avoid the ARHM
multipath suck only when it stock with no chaff and sarh/arh missile. i'll leave 27sm untill they do something with stock top tier stuff.
Multipathing at 11.7/12.0: you fly above 60m you die to a Phoenix. you fly below 60m you die to spash damage of the Phoenix. fun, isnt it?
Evade Fox 3: when u are closer then aprox 6km.and youre not aready notching youre just toast. you cant torn fast enough, you nat multipathing. Fox 3 makes the game passive. as soon u comit youre dead beacuse you cant avoid them.
Orbital strike aim54 go brrrrrrrr
12x12 will do any difference instead 16x16??
I only had like 4 small matches on day one of the update and now haven't had one since
One thing I've noticed about stock grind, it's way easier, even though it's sometimes boring to get the first two lines of upgrades playing assault air arcade, with premium account, you can pick these initial upgrades with 3-5 matches, better than go in on air RB and die dozens fo times until you have enough upgrades that you become competitive.
The update was based around making aircraft with ARHs more viable. The problem is that ruins every other plane. The gap in capability between jets with ARHs and those that dont is absurd and I cannot believe that there’s only a .3 difference between them. If you don’t have ARHs and your opponent does, you may as well J out because there’s nothing you can do. The very best you can hope for is a trade and that’s only if you have R-27s.
perhaps, the way to solve the issues with SARH and ARH missile meta, is to lock those aircraft to only face each other... decompress the tier brackets
Can u please make a video about the wrong armor profiles of many tanks like puma,merkavas,challengers,namer etc. theres to many tanks with wrong armor profiles
Regarding the skill of multipathing. The current system of flying high isnt any more skillfill. AT ALL.
"Ohh my RWR says theres a missile coming, im going to go down to 100 meters"
"Ohh my RWR says theres a missile coming, im going to go turn around"
Going turn around and chaff is what real pilots do. So what is the problem? Going low does not work in modern jet. If you don't like fox 3 gameplay, then go back to lower BR.
Beats when multipathing wasn't nerfed.
"Oh there's something on my RWR, well I'm fine because I just need to fly somewhat low"
Like at least with the you actually have to you know....move....before you can go straight, eat a bag of chips and hot the fox-2 button for youtube poops.
@@KilogrammeKGmy only correction here is technically flying low does work, just it doesn't use multipathing. Pilots fly low mainly to either get physical terrain between them and enemy radar or to increase drag on a missile.
Other than that yeah....turning around, notching, chaffing, beating a missile more through energy management and actual skill is how 4th gen jet pilots actually did their thing. And they don't have to go too low if multipath is their favorite thing. There's the F-4's and Mig-21's just down a bracket that have ground clutter which would increase survivability by flying low.
You can fly low to avoid active missiles still, you just have to fly *very* low, it’s completely doable as long as the terrain is flat (most maps are flat).
@@User-gx3sr if you fly too low the missile explodes on the ground and damages you, too high and the missile hits you and you die
Also, today whenever I played planes without ARMs, most off the time, there wasn't many planes with Fox 3s either. They were there when I play with the F-15C, but not when I was spading my F-16ADF.
I just want Air RB enduring confrontation and I would be so content.
Honestly from personal experience I think most people are more coping for the lack of skill, but f14 should go up in br
Why should it?
I dont really see the difference i have been using f14 before and after update it Still acts the same
@@stanislavp2806 they changed the multipathing so its basically op at 11.7 where no one else has arh
@@stanislavp2806 yes but phoenix's r wayy better now the plane itself is the same, same for missles, but it tracks if the plane is flying lower
@@jinkxer1 i was using the 12.0 one
Can we keep multipathing at 11.3 too :)
The only thing i see that they messed up on is not giving more aircraft or tanks for players who only play ww2 vehicles, seemed to be nothing for the players who play lower tier
the F-15J(M) stock grind was pretty easy for me.
With premium account grinded f15c in a afternoon, grind is worse ofc and should be took care of. Lowering Multipath i think was good in the end for avoiding furballs and having a gameplay which is more tactical, if ppl gonna tell u die cuz of 3 guys on you, well it was the same with multipath so
That insane loft of the darters in the first 2 shots u take ,thats just Pure no brain FM by Gaijin ,it complety cripples the missils ability to BE efective ,with just a quick search about the darters u can find info from the manufacture that clearly states that the míssil did loft indeed but ONLY when it needed to ,that being rlly long shots like 50 km or more, it should not loft in a 25 km shot ,it should loft acording to the targets distance lofting less the closer the target is untill it does nt loft at all when targets get closer ,ingame right now it some Times still lofts at like 10 km
I hope to god they dont revert the multipath nerf man. I was just starting to have fun in this game again
Not fun. Bro... I got better at dodgin 120 but stock grind is hell
@@DarkderiVeR96I feel for you stock grinding but I honestly could not stand the low altitude furball meta. I literally stopped playing the game because of that and i understand it being in air “r”b (arcade lite tbh) but for someone who plays sim it was literally the least fun ive had in top tier sim since the AIM-7s were introduced and phantom pilots were racking up 15-20 kill matches regularly
literallyyyyy
Go into air pve
@@BoleDaPole i play sim bro, idrc what you guys do in air rb its just we have a trickledown effect where every shitty decision made for air rb affects us WAY more
This goes back to the debate of M4 (75m) shermans being in the same BR as Tiger 1s although its realistic it's not fun gameplay, now we see multipathing is getting closer to being realistic people are complaining although it is realistic. This is why gameplay should be balanced around gameplay over realism.
my 2 real issues i have with the update is 70m or 60m with them incorpirating trees as part of the terrain and the splash damage on all radar missiles need to be relooked at ive had missiles denoate large distnaces from my plane and still reciving damage out side of that its desent stock grind is a massive pain but do able but agian worst stock grind so far and i wish chaff was more consistant
i would like to add the snail should aslo give the 16c amd 15c there bol pods as well especially the 16c
Every tree should have a signature or be part of the radar topography, agreed. Then 60m would make more sense. Then I'd like them to fix missing Apache radar and targeting system. It's total garbage at the moment. I want AMRAAMs and better SPAA systems for nations to match Russia but that's getting off topic.
For the people that hate the lower multipathing: modern planes are going to have modern features so play a lower br.
Trying to have the fox 3 missiles with already difficult stock grind is even harder now
People hate the lower multi path height because it makes stock grinding impossible. Not because it is difficult. Turning your plane sideways and pressing a key a couple of times is definetly not something that is difficult.
@@willb0204get a job and spend $25 to get ur mods…problem solved.
Then the poll is not clear at all. People are hating it for the wrong reason. The poll should have precisely said for spadded plane then.@@Boris_The_Turtle
@@KilogrammeKG the poll did already stated that it is spaded lol (it stated "not grinding, already unlocked the mod"), people just don't have reading comprehension these days
I’m loving this update. I can actually use tactics and not just fly straight into a fur ball. I wish the matches were smaller and maps bigger though. Spread out the objectives for those that are going for ground targets and give 2 spawns per side. Other than that, I’m loving the fox 3 missiles and the ability to use my plane how it should be used
As a player knowing how to dodge I think it was a good change BUT they should’ve given stock chaff with it maybe in reduced amount till you get the modification but not having chaff makes stock planes hell
Don't worry, as usual Stona and Smin will ignore that pool as usual
multipath has to be higher unless they fix oversized objests and even more importantly splash damage. I ve been killed by ~20lb warhead multiple times now when it impacts the ground.
Multipathing has made every radar missile way more effective which is kinda annoying but it also means you need to make less mistakes. You have an rwr for a reason, close range the new fox 3’s are hard to shake but avoiding long range missiles is pretty easy. Smaller lobbies really should be implemented though because the “optional” matchmaking is such lazy BS
I normally agree with you but not on the defensive flying bit, you cant notch 4 missles from different directions at the same time with the limited amount of CMs that alot of planes have
Now there is no reason to play 11.7 - 12.7 br since you have no chances to counter fox3 planes, you can't notch 3 or more missiles at once, and after you notch the enemy is at your 6
Reduceed multipath is great change
Because multipathing doesn't actually work 70% of the time... I can literally be on the ocean getting ready to drown and still get hit by a aim 7 shot 10km away....
Idk how this patch was bas especially multipath changes i have a ton of fun going defensive when needed or going full agro if possible the decisions is in your hand now, not just a ON/OFF toggle for invilnerability
What is fun about getting slapped by missels you have no guaranteed way to dodge? Chaff dosent work and notching works sometimes. (Vs multiple missels) it's very boreing in top teir air rn.
The multipath change is unpopular because, inconsistency, terrain and objects in the map being scaled incorrectly, and countermeasures operating what feels like randomly. I would be in favor of the multipath change if it came with realistically sized trees and a little bit more consistent countermeasure effectiveness. I enjoy realism but I also would like to point out this is a game, it should feel rewarding, yet it shouldn’t feel completely brain dead. Hitting the deck is fine IMO, but watching some missiles slam even though the aircraft is well within a “safe” zone for multipath just feels hopeless. Doesn’t feel as if a kill/death was earned properly. Some terrain seems to be not consistent with height from multipath, and all too many trees seem to pop out higher than they ever should. I’d be willing to deal with a 60m engagement floor but sometimes it’s just simply not right. From both offense and defense standpoint.
it surprised you cause you dont have to play anything stock bro
7:08 "i dont see how you guys see it as a bad change since is now more realistic" except that it isn't? If it was, why would modern aircraft in modern battlefields fly so low?
How about a complete game mode rework.
by the time you even see first oponents 5 people are already down usually from my team and that is BR 11 90% of the time F14 is in other team 4 of them and you just see people going down like nothing and my radar cant lock target from 6-7km propperly somehow locking my teammate that is 11km away but okay oponents needs to be on 7km just to lock them
the gameplay i love but with the stock grind its unplayable for people
Well when I first logged in on patch day I enabled the smaller team sizes and for the first 10 or 12 matches I actually did get a 12 v12 game but I never really ended up with a 6v6 game so for me the 6 V6 matches for kind of rare for me, but after a while I never really ended up with smaller team sizes anymore I was always thrown into 16 v16 matches instead, I mean now and again I did get smaller team, so really gaijin should just get rid of 16 V16 games altogether and make smaller team sizes the new standard in top tier air RB, cents in my experience the smaller team sizes when I did get a smaller game it was good because you could focus on the target in front of you and not worry about an enemy aircraft sneaking up behind you ready to slam you with aim 9m or a aim7
With the F16A from belguim, u have 2 AIM9L on Stock until Rank 3 where u get 6 AIM9L and beeing not competetiv on 12.3. There should be 2 AIM9M stock. I mean u must grind 6 mods with AIM9L to get AIM9M's thats rough
At least it gets them Israel has F16 Netz with 9ls and python that both love eating flares without irccm at 12.3 so you atleast got good aim9ms
you have to know tornado f.3 also have 2 9L with 12.7 br and have terrible FM
USA gets just two AIM9-J's, seems legit.
@@Advt2458 yeah stock but not fully spade like netz and stock netz even worse with 2 aim9p's
please make a video on how to enable this low population matches, i, like many, still don't know how to do it!!
he showed it
when selecting the game mode
you will find 2 icon appearing on top right of that button
1 for maps and 1 for team size
It shouldent take longer for smaller matches to be avalible, it would be faster to get teams...
Just set it to default.
Got once 8v8 or 6v6. Once!
Problem here is that the same people that vote on the Forums are highly likely aware of it so they enabled small matches thing
They are special... but what about regular players who don't use forums or is informed about the game... doesn't read patch notes and stuff
The players who just click "To Battle" and just plas
So the voting result on the forum is bissed ll
I'll just say this. Anyone begging for multipathing back has a skill issue. That's that, there's no talking your way out of this one.
See this is how it was before the update. Take off, stay below 100m/330ft, fire fox-2's that are either too manuverable and spammable to evade or too hard to see if you never focused on the right target, preflare because honestly any jet can preflare to save them from the fox-2, get into a bfm fight just to get third party from either the only time your Fox-1 would hit or a Fox-2.
Now it's take off, gain a good amount of altitude, fire off your fox-3 and immediately go into evasive like notching or turning away, if a missile locks you then you can snake downward to beat it pretty easily, then you have to worry about Fox-1's or ET's, then preflare as your try to get a Fox-2 off, then merge for a bfm fight...too still probably getting third partied.
Now one needs a lot more things than the other.
So is Fox-3 "SPAMRAAM" a legit tactic....no. if you get killed cause one guy or multiple guys shot all their Aim-120's at you at the same range of 12-15nm....that's on you. You for some reason didn't go into immediate evasive tactics and got blown up 17 times for it. These missiles are still decently easy to beat, so increasing multipathing ain't gonna make it harder, it's just gonna make them useless so we go back to eating a bag of chips as we fly straight.
Again, one requires you to do nothing to evade a bvr missile and the other requires you to do something to evade those bvr missiles. So one is quite clearly harder than the other even if it's just slightly.
Multipathing should not be based on BR and I don’t even think that’s possible with how Gaijin codes things. Multipathing should be different for each individual missile, end of story. Many missiles are much more prone to it than others, this would be a great way to balance the AIM-54A at 11.7 for example, as the C model was specifically an improvement on tracking targets at low altitudes. Meanwhile, some missiles, like the AIM-120, should be nearly immune to it.
I think it would be better if we just rolled back the update
The vast majority of players who play high/top tier are chumps who have bombed bases all the way up and now are shocked and angry just going straight at a red icon is much harder now. Once they got the new shiny toys, they haven't learned anything at all besides spamming rockets and bombs. Why are we shocked these people are mad? Yes the stock grind is horrible and needs changes, but the actual gameplay hatred imo comes from alot of above players getting their butts handed to them and unwilling to learn how to play the game.
THIS IS WHY TOP TIER PREMIUMS WAS A HORRIBLE IDEA
If they make 4 missiles per person and missiles that don't hit people leaving the ground, and if they make 12x12 warfare work properly, there will be no problem.
My main thing about the multipath thing is for one the stock grind and two the br imbalance of alot of planes from 11.0 up it makes the game more simish if i wanted to play sim id play a sim thats why people dont like the change i feel like im playing sim i use to play air rb to relax now you gotta be on point and at attention if anything change the multipath from certain radars and from certain aspects and for some of the type of missiles if not donit by br but insay just revert it and give a option to play a type of rb with a lower path height and see who wants it that way instead of lowering it as a base. I say this simply because those tactics arent possible for all planes and some are impossible when you are stock or out numbered
Man i just bought a mirage 2000 s4. Tun lil plane. Don't even have chaff lol. Ehever there are f14s or aim120s I'm dead without seeing anyone. Bring back the f. multipath.
Btw now im grinding my way to mirage 4000. But now realised. Wtf I'm gonna do with it? At 12.7 br no fox3s? Not enough chaff too. Lol such a waste of time this grind became.
@@Dudenesschocobo yea I love the S4 personally but the update plus the flight model nerf made it a pain and yea i stopped going for the 4k altogether cause of this i just went for the s5 for micas but even then still have the same issues
I think all it did was show another issue The stock grind has Many glaring issues Currently I have no intention of of using the Tornado-late. With all the Arm Going into a match stock Would be so bad I don’t even want to try it
The multi pathing Changes where good for the game It’s nice seeing the. High altitude fighting going on If you do base bombing. There are less people low altitude to get in your way All you have to do is. Pay attention all top teir planes Tell you if missles are in bound at long range. 80-90% of the time you will be good short range. Your dead anyways Even befor the change to multi path
Idgi, do people want an arcade experience or a realistic experience?
Hop on a MiG 29g with no fox 3 for 5 matches and tell me it’s a skill issue lol I know it’s a skill issue cause y’all perfect hahahaha
People just mad they have no fucking skill.
Stock grinded the f16c in about 1/2 day.
All i hear is how "hARd tHe sToCK gRiNd iS" lmao
I do think they should add a sim style game mode with RB settings.
ive not went into top tier yet.. and i dont think i wont.. it looks horrible.. i alrdy hate back in the day when F14s could hit you from out of reach.. now you get 3 missiles after you from all angles from out of reach.
Obviously not that many people care to play those smaller matches this those who do cannot find such a match due to the low number of people queuing
easy way to confirm if gaijin has enabled the 12 max lobbies, someone needs to crawl the server replays like that russian fellow did with his datamining a few months back, would be easy to confirm if any lobbies of 12v12 have been created for anything 10.0+
First you voted that u don't have low number of players in battles, then you voted agains lowering multipathing 🤣🤣
The people that voted to keep multipathing need to quit the game.
7:02
Its a bad change not because its more realistic, but its a bad change because its not FUN
you need to learn the difference between game balance and realism
at current top tier lobby sizes, multipath should NOT have been changed. Too many missiles to notch at the same time right now.
all the weird ass bvr larpers are not gonna like this
The reason multipathing needs to be in game is because of stock grind, so if we ease up the grind it will
Make people support lowered multipathing
2:37 that's sooo stupid. less people = quicker queue time. slower is very strange and just lazy gaijin
I would like a mode for ground where is was a 25vs25 or even a 32vs32, like a "Big battle mode" but them only on medium and large maps, this would be fun on all brs
I like it. Fox 3’s are fun.
I love all the bvr larpers saying “BVR actually takes skill” when 90% of the matches I see are the larpers holding W and firing off their aim 120s then dieing like that was any better then before lol
top tier usa needs a change. i lose every game and i have full lineup
Make sure you are playing 12.7 top tier and not 11.7 top tier.
Also try out EU servers, US teams are much better than in NA servers.
@@Boris_The_Turtle The thing is, a lot of the clickbait players are people who got the F16 and want to use it as CAS, meaning that upping your max br isn't going to change whether you see them or not.
Only way to rework top tier Air RB - add airspawn to all maps, add respawn to solve turbomatches problem. Add more and variable groud targets. This is AT LEAST to do to start this. Real rework only possible through complex cahnges.
1000+ votes only out of like 100,000-150,000 players? Well yeah, I don't know. But you can't justify the cause of 1% of those 100,000 players.
Players just don't know how to fight against Fox-3s. To be honest with you, it’s actually harder to fight against the Fox-2 Missiles. Those meta is even more broken than Fox-3s. Before Fox-3s, I die like 7 out of 10 matches against Fox-2s. And with the Fox-3s, I only die like 1 out of 10 matches. I fly both Russia, Germany, USA and British Top tier. Must learn how to dodge, notch, go cold and when to do it, when to go cold, and most of all prediction against Fox-3s. It is what kept me alive against them.
They did, fox-3 are too weak R77 espacialy.
This just shows. Only a minority want small matches. So you want smaller matches play custom.
The cant let fornite kids vote on WT Forums
Smaller maps? No it should be bigger maps with actual objectives rather than just kill the enemy. No modern aircraft is 100% only air to air why should the game play be that too.
better it stays like it is en cuz i love the F-14A
Mucho mucho copium as people here in the comments discovered most don't want smaller matches lol
Ive had smaller games at BR5.7 since the update. AHR missiles are broken, they will track through terrain, chaff doesn't work most of the time, notching doesn't work, RADAR wont pick up targets in any mode so cant actually fire the missiles
Yeah warthunder has to be realistic to be fun... Just go play dcs then why does everything have to be just like in real life in the game in which you can pull repeated 19G turns
Multipath change screwed the whole game. Base bombing literally finished. And if everyone goes with missiles only you are getting 5 missiles from 20 30 kms. Each f. game! Which part you didn't understand man. 60 70 percent of games I'm not even seeing a merge. I quit playing top tier. Then playing with 11.3 and meeting 3 f14 each match. And defensive actions you are talking but fox 3s mean going the opposite way half of the match. How is this fun?
Well, of you merge with fox 3s, something went wrong
I think what I've gathered is that a lot of people want to dog fight with the highest tier. Just from lobby chats and these responses seem to indicate that. I am personally a fan of the update but a mode where there are no missiles or only heat seaking missiles could be a way to meet concerns of both player bases
It seems like a lot of people just don't like radar missiles yet complain about top tier having radar missiles. I don't understand why you don't just play non-radar missile era.
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thé multipathing change is forcing people to place in one way and the argument “it’s more realistic” is bullshit because in reality most of the stuff in this game is unrealistic bvr is simply not fun to me or a good amount of the playerbase i think it should be raised to 75 meters and that missiles should not have a splash damage that is capable of destroying ur plane
You don't enjoy. We do. If you don't like the fox3 gameplay, play lower BR. Simple as that.
I think multipathing should go lower so people actually learn to play against SAHR and FOX3 missiles, The strategy of flying at sealevel is like a noob trap
I guarantee you are 0-104 in the f15
You definitely GE every stock vehicle
Yeah they should make it negative height so I can kill stock players that can’t do anything about by pressing two buttons.
We found the one who uses GE for the every vehicle