Phearable Stage 3 - DYNO TESTED // 10th Gen Honda Accord

[@dizzzave357]

Honestly, the 80/20 rule is the most important thing to remember for modding an Accord. You can chase that last 20% with a modlist a mile long (and a drained bank account), or you could just get a K-tuner and the Phearable stage 3 and be done with it. The Accord platform has natural limitations (FWD, smaller turbo) that you aren't going to be able to tune away and if you are really going to chase peak performance, you should pick a different vehicle.
Pick up a K-tuner and Phearable map, grab some sticky tires and the upper/lower hasport engine mounts to eliminate wheel hop and you've got all you'll ever need from your Accord.
Mine has just come out of warranty so I'll be grabbing this stuff this summer and enjoying my sleeper.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I agree. I hope over time we’ll be able to test out many of the popular power modifications in order to show the real gains vs the cost. 👍

[@jaimeruiz5238]

I’ve been doing a bunch of research on this. You just convinced me. I bought a brand new 2021 2.0 sport a few months ago and I’ve put 8k mi on it. It is tome to unleash it. 👍🏼thanks for the videos.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the watch and comment. Congratulations on your new car 👍

[@sparco023]

Man im in the same boat. have you purschased the tune yet?

[@rayk9897]

Derek Robinson, at IMW, is THE leader in custom tuning for these engines. But if you want real gains, do what nobody else thinks to do. Ask him what parts you need to buy to get to a certain number and he will tell you. Then call up PRL and Axiom and make sure you have enough room on the credit card. :)

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@phearable]

Hi Chad, thanks for making a video regarding your results. Just to give you a heads up, our stock test vehicle was a manual transmission vehicle hence our higher peak horsepower results. Feel free to reach out to us with any questions. Keep up the good work!

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@nicholasfolse]

I have stage 3 with you guys and I like how you sent me an adjusted file to go with my PRL
Hvi. I know there are other factors involved but how much additional hp/tq am i getting from having the HvI?

[@stephenadame7233]

Been waiting for this video! Thanks

[@TheLemonFactor]

I have as well 😜

[@stephenadame7233]

@@TheLemonFactor definitely my next mod! Did you run it with 93 octane? I live in California so we only have 91

[@TheLemonFactor]

Yes, per Phearables recommendation, this is run with 93 octane.

[@JoseRivera-li8tr]

Yes, Pls get a custom tune and compare!

[@TheLemonFactor]

It will be interesting to see how much more you can safely get out of it with a custom tune 🤷‍♂️

[@mattfeeney13]

Would love to see a custom tune! Enjoy your videos!

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@Robbie2Fly]

Great video and numbers. These will all vary based upon other mods you have done to your Accord 2.0T as well. I have the PRL HVI, PRL intercooler, PRL catted DP & FP, DC Sports 3" exhaust, and custom tune with my K-Tuner pushing 316WHP and 352TQ.

[@Robbie2Fly]

These 2.0T Accords are truly amazing!!

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@bhoffman8984]

@@Robbie2Fly I love how they basically have a cult following. I've always been a Honda guy as much as I've owned a bunch of different brands, but there's something about this car that's intangible and makes me love it more than my previous dozen Hondas. I built the hell out of a '90 Si way back in the day and an FC RX-7 and loved every minute of it... but somehow my 10AT 2.0 Accord is just as fun. I'm not sure if it's because I'm older or what, but this is my favorite car I've ever owned hands down.

[@savedby_grace6110]

Hi Rob. I'll be running the same set up with the Phereable stage 3 tune. How do you like the DC Sports exhaust? Is it making a difference? Thank you.

[@Robbie2Fly]

@@savedby_grace6110 I am positive it's adding horsepower for sure. It is pretty loud though, and with my upgraded turbo I notice some rasp now. I contemplate going back to stock exhaust.

[@honda116969]

BADASS channel 💯% thanks 4 this 411

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the watch and positive comment 😁

[@Ransack777]

Stage 3 is an additional $79 through Phearable. Its not included anymore. You do save $100 though. Also every Dyno reads different and every car is different even though they are the same. Some motors are blessed :)

[@GonzCerv]

I ran a 2020 with my 21 2.0t stock for stock I started reeling him in at around 80mph lol

[@justchillin619]

Would be much appreciated to see a custom tune. Either way thanks for the videos! I watch all your miata videos but these accord ones are very interesting to see as well!

[@TheLemonFactor]

I foresee a custom tune in the future 😉. Thank you for your continued support 👍

[@don_huzan]

Great decision on making this video. This is awesome!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the watch - I’m glad you liked it 👍😁

[@3darrkstarr]

Custom all the way! Ill be waiting for it 😌

[@TheLemonFactor]

😁👍

[@jasonworingen8431]

I just installed a Mugen Power sticker on my 1.5t cvt and butt dyno'd it. It's totally accurate results showing an extra 10hp 🚀🚀🚀

[@TheLemonFactor]

Where can I get one 😁

[@jasonworingen8431]

@@TheLemonFactor 🤣

[@gregorydunn2716]

I am so close to pulling the trigger on this 1!

[@TheLemonFactor]

😁👍

[@loulerg]

Damn I didn’t know Bruce Willis was a car guy. Nice. Great video

[@TheLemonFactor]

😂

[@whatsontelevision3270]

Just subscribed because I think this channel is just awesome!!👍👍👍

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you! That really means a lot 😁👍

[@whatsontelevision3270]

@@TheLemonFactor 👍👍👍

[@2.0t71]

Thankz for the video been waiting for it!
Stage 3 is definitely fun..and more that u can run it on stock accords ...totally worth the money

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍😁

[@attacker123]

How safe is it for the engine? Will it void the warranty?

[@2.0t71]

@@attacker123 they say it does avoid warranty but from what I read from tuners ..they said there no way Honda can know that u flashed ur car ..
Even if u ktuner ur car and something gets mess up ..they have to prove that it was the tune that cause the problem..anyways I been tuned for 6 months now and I got no issues ..I do run 91 plus 1 gallon of e85 ..it benefits the tune it gives u more mpg and more tq/hp from my experience
U can run 91 no problem that’s how I ran it for a while before adding e85 ….just don’t drive like u stole it ofcorse ….but the tune is worth it ..more funner and faster lol …but again is up to u ..

[@509livin8]

Nice video! Lots of good info. Have you thought about getting lighter wheels and performance tires? I feel Lighter wheels will really help out overall performance.!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you 👍. And yes, a good set of lighter rims and stickier tires will go a long way in improving all aspects of performance. Come Spring I’ll be looking into getting a summer dedicated set.

[@richardmendez8472]

Hey man love the video ! Just curious do you need to run stage 2 k tuner before buying a pherable stage 3 or can you just buy the stage 3 for $180
Off the rip and install on the car ?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Yes, you can go right to the Phearable Stage 3, and do NOT have to ever run the KTUNER Stage 2 👍

[@vsmadhu]

LF I love the objective content you put out on the Accord 2.0 platform.
I own a 2018 2.0 accord and I don't want to go to the dealership for maintenance, only because of the impersonal feel & the general lack of attention you get. Can you point me at a good honda specialist south of Boston ?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you, Madhu! 👍. I appreciate the support. Hmmmm, I’ve been doing all of the maintenance myself, so I don’t know of anyone, or place. However, should I have to go to the Honda dealership I’ll give Ocean Honda if Brockton a try, even though I have 2 other dealerships closer to me 😉

[@DanVilla7]

Fuel quality and knock will greatly effect the results. Was happening to me. The numbers could have been low due to high knock count.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Absolutely! However, I had been running the tune for a while monitoring knock, including several data logged runs and everything including knock looked great 👍

[@DanVilla7]

@@TheLemonFactor what is your k control reading? I just found the tuned numbers seemed very low compared to the stock figures you got. I get all dynos read different and temp, humidity elevation play a huge role. But this was conducted pretty fairly. I also found that if you have advanced vsa set to aggressive it will interfere with the stage 3 tune. I ran some logs with John at phearable and was down 2lbs of boost. Left it to the stock vsa setting and night and day difference

[@douglauter3719]

Thanks for the informative videos. I wonder if you install these tunes yourself and have a warranty issue how that would work. You can do an entire rewrite with the factory tune with HP Tuners on GM vehicles and it sets the flash counter back to 0. I wonder if you unlock the tuner from the car if it can still be seen by the dealer somehow. For those of us who plan to keep their new cars for a while would be grateful to have truly factual information on this. It would be nice if you might do a video concerning that.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Good question, and one that you’ll find a lot of mixed information on. It would be informative to get some facts - definitely a potential future video 🤔

[@lavardemoss3406]

Yes get a custom tune would love to see the numbers

[@TheLemonFactor]

Me too 🤔

[@slow10thgenaccord70]

I am waiting for the custom tune dyno hahaha, battling between stage 3 or custom

[@nicholasfolse]

Go to imw’s fb page. Way more hp stock but custom tuned

[@nicholasfolse]

289hp 351 tq on a stock 10at 2.0 acccord on imw. I’m on stage 3 myself but damn I wish I had that extra hp.

[@Calwinn]

Great research

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you, I’m glad you liked it 👍

[@MidnightAspec]

I’m definitely leaning this way for my 21 TLX A-Spec.

[@TheLemonFactor]

How do you like your new TLX? It’s a beautiful car 👍

[@Virt7_]

I got one too. Which tune should we get lol

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@phearable]

Phearable stage 3 for the tlx has been released.

[@JoseSuaveAuto]

I need to definitely head over to SMG Motoring to dyno my car. Upgraded type r turbo, FBO, E30 custom tune from Derek at IMW. Want to see where my numbers are.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I would be interested in knowing how too 🤔👍

[@gilbertoarteaga3522]

I am interested in seeing a custom tune to see how much more you can squeeze past phearable stage 3

[@TheLemonFactor]

It will be interesting to find out 👍

[@AtanasDimitrov954RR]

great video. I have a Ktuner v2. where can i find someone to do a Etune from my datalogging? I have a 2013 Acura TL with all bolt ons.

[@djdanger1969]

2 step performance does e-tunes

[@savedby_grace6110]

Good information. But to be fair, the vehicle the Phereable used had modifications: intake, downpipe, frontpipe, intercooler and exhaust. That is the hp/tq difference in your results. Cheers!

[@TheLemonFactor]

I did not compare our dyno numbers to Phereable's with the modifications, I compared them to their claims on a stock car - per Pherable's website, "

[@savedby_grace6110]

@@TheLemonFactor You car is automatic. Correct? Then, here are the numbers from their website from an AT Accord with bolt ons: "- 314 HP 366 TQ 2018 Accord 2.0T 10 speed Automatic, PRL HVI, PRL Intercooler Function Werk Race DP/FP." Otherwise, the "stock" Accord numbers you may be referring to was from a manual Accord- per the website.

[@maekyn]

Great video, been waiting for awhile for
this. Do u think it’s ok for the car to run stage 2 or phearable with it being stock? I’m on stage 1 and I’m tempted to go to stage 2 but wanted your opinion

[@TheLemonFactor]

That’s up to you - there’s always a risk in potentially damaging your car when modifying it. With that said, both Phearable and KTuner indicate that their tunes can be used on an otherwise stock car. Just make sure you’re using the proper gas octane that they recommend.

[@bhoffman8984]

From everything I've learned over the past year and a half of owning an x gen 2.0, the stock stage 2 ktuner tune is 100% safe to run without any other mods at all. I did for a few months before I finally got my catted RV6 downpipe installed. I now have about 34k miles on my car and it runs better than the day I bought it.

[@gregbennett4837]

@@bhoffman8984 did you do down pipe yourself?Im really afraid of stripping out those bolts.

[@11beddiev36]

I think you should skip a custom tune and go for flex fuel and then run the Ktuner stage 2 with flex fuel enabled and the stage 4 flex fuel tune. Save the custom tune for after you go full bolt on or turbo swap.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Definitely one approach and seemingly very popular with enthusiasts of the 10th Gen Honda Accord platform 👍

[@minituck04]

This is the method I will be doing

[@mvillelife3178]

Do you have to use 93 octane from that point forward after you install the Ktuner, just curious if 89 octane would increase chances of engine knock throwing so much air through your cylinders. Also any idea on the shortened life expectancy of what your stock turbo might be over time as its obviously engaging way more frequently than it was designed for. Love the channel, don't go to the track but like to add a little more kick to my everyday ride to/from work.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Per Phearable and KTuner websites, both call for 93 octane to be used with their tune, with 91 being the minimum. Checkout their websites for the details 👍

[@nicholasfolse]

Honestly I wouldn’t get this tune unless you have quality 93 octane available. Guys running 91 in Cali have to add 1.5 gallons of e85 just to not see a high k count

[@JudgeFXX]

@@nicholasfolse sucks for me, in Tucson i only found ONE e85 station and its not close to me, west coast sucks for tuning lol time to move back to the east coast

[@Imperialsummoner]

Just seen this 2 weeks after getting a 2021 Sport 2.0T really wanna know how well it holds up now also did you make a custom tune video?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I thoroughly enjoyed the Phearable Stage 3 tune 😁. It’s much smoother and responsive than the KTuner Stage 2, which really wasn’t bad. I’ve not custom tuned yet as I recently moved and am now rebaselining my dyno results with a new dyno. However, once that’s complete I will be having a custom tune created 👍

[@Imperialsummoner]

@@TheLemonFactor Awesome also let me ask you this is a Ktuner required for the Phearable because it asks for a Ktuner Serial Number when I try to order it

[@TheLemonFactor]

You do need the KTuner. The Phearable Stage 3 is simply the software tune that you use with the KTuner.

[@thosetwodudes]

I've got a 2019 Accord Sport 1.5L Manual, currently running Stage 2 w/ catted downpipe, cold air intake, and soon to be installing front-pipe: do you think I'll need after-market engine mounts if I go with Stage 3?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I don't know specifically how the Phearable Stage 3 impacts the 1.5L, but on the 2.0L it does make it very difficult to launch the car with all the torque being down low. With that said, I don't think you need engine mounts, but from what I've heard they seem to help. I'm not fond of them as they add additional vibration to the car that I don't want.

[@maximpodolskiy4015]

Chad, hello! As always - thanks for perfect video. I wish you do it with much more cars at a time))
Could you, please, advice, when we make stage 3, can we then switch between stages 1, 2 or 3?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Maxim, thank you for the support and positive comment 😁. Yes, you can add multiple saved tunes to the KTuner and swap between them 👍

[@kevindinh5382]

Did you have the default settings on the stage 3?? I know not to mess with the vsa but like other stuff like early spool or like the RACE option or even the manual padding (soft, medium, standard), all of this would be in quick enables I believe.

[@Phoenix-cv8xv]

Did you get any figures on how lean this tune is running? Any major concerns about this tune? I already have it purchased but am waiting to get my motor mounts and intercooler installed before I flash it.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I have been collecting a bunch of data between stock, the KTuner stage 2 and the Phearable stage 3 to compare - future video 😉. I will tell you that the Phearable is not as rich as the KTuner.

[@bhoffman8984]

@@TheLemonFactor very interesting! good to know!

[@marlonbryant2749]

If you buy from phearable you get $100 towards stage 3 tune it’s like $79 on ktuner price i the it’s like $650 total don’t quote me go check.

[@obocecha]

I’m assuming the transmission is happy with these levels of power? I just picked up a 2022 Sport 2.0T and am thinking of getting this tune.

[@TheLemonFactor]

So far, so good. There’s quite a few people producing a lot more horsepower with no issues (yet) 😬🤞

[@brianmartyn5418]

Hey Chad. Can you use the chip from a Civic Type R in the Accord 2.0T to safely access more performance ?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Unfortunately, swapping ECUs is not feasible.

[@TomD1999]

Have you pulled any acceleration data, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.? It's all a means to that end after all.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Not yet 😉

[@bhoffman8984]

@@TheLemonFactor ooooh! I can't wait for this!

[@slow10thgenaccord70]

we’re waiting

[@NSteigs]

You had mentioned in a previous video the AFR was quite rich with the ktuner as to make it safe. Does the phearable stage 3 maintain a similar ratio or make it run more lean? Still in the safe range for a stock 2.0?

[@TheLemonFactor]

The Phearable stage 3 does indeed run less rich than does the KTuner stage 2. A reasonable AFR in my mind assuming your using quality gas and not experiencing any knock.

[@NSteigs]

Hi Chad, keep coming back to this video as I’m torn between Ktuner stage 2 and Phearable stage 3.
If I stay on stock tires do you think the stage 3 is worth it or is the stage 2 already going to get everything out of the car with the tires being the limiting factor. Just don’t want to spend the extra money if I won’t get any benefit.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I have since moved to the Phearable Stage 3 for our next video. Although I have not dyno’d it in order to compare it to the KTuner Stage 2, I will say that it is a smoother tune with a more responsive throttle - and I didn’t think that there was anything wrong with the KTuner tune 😁. Maybe wait until I release the video before making a decision 🤷‍♂️

[@TheMB2333]

Any thoughts for future going with a flex fuel kit? Appears the phearable 2.5 can run with it.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I hope to install the PRL Flex Fuel Kit within the next week or so 👍

[@wutdafeezi]

Need the flex fuel kit now

[@TheLemonFactor]

😜

[@samlim8654]

after stage 3 flash in to my 2.0t accord.. i felt like the car over heat while in traffic...

[@TheLemonFactor]

I doubt that it was directly caused by the tune… 🤷‍♂️

[@jrock1003]

Do you know how to get the gear stay in gear and not shift way before the red line in dyno tuning?

[@CrazyGreek80]

How much horse how much horsepower can a stock engine take before rebuilding and transmission etc....

[@TheLemonFactor]

Checkout my video of the top 10 fastest 10th Gen Honda Accords - all of them are currently still running stock internals and transmissions. 😁👍

[@bryanvlogs1421]

was you're accord stock besides the ECU tune?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Yes it was 👍

[@mrxcastin5049]

Can I just put this tune to my stock accord?
Or do I need to put the stage 2 first?
Thanks

[@TheLemonFactor]

You can add the Stage 3 to a stock car without going to stage 2 first. 👍

[@QWIKC7]

Is this a 93 octane tune?

[@SasquatchS550]

So how is it that somehow with a catless dp they only gained 10hp...

[@shahajwad]

Plsss can u tell me if I can place Garret g25 550 in accord 2021 1.5 T

[@waveykid3974]

I wonder why your Dyno with the stage 3 is low compared what they Dyno at

[@TheLemonFactor]

Legitimately it could be a number of different factors. Realistically, it’s because they’re trying to sell you their product and they benefit in showing as high a number as possible. This isn’t new to the industry - power claims from modifications are most often exaggerated.

[@Phoenix-cv8xv]

The Lemon Factor! LLC were your numbers whp or crank? Pretty sure there hp numbers are crank numbers

[@TheLemonFactor]

My numbers are WHP. 👍

[@Raulin22G]

Does the phearable works with the 2018 accord lx trim? Can anyone tell me

[@TheLemonFactor]

Phearable’s tune is available for the 2.0 engine regardless of trim level 👍

[@junkazama6189]

What’s the minimum fuel required for this? Can i run it with 91 octane?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Phearable recommends 93 octane. Although you can run 91, you may experience higher knock. Checkout the Phearable website for the details 👍

[@2.0t71]

Put 1 gallon of e85 and the rest 91
U will get more mpg and more power ..
Been running like this for a while

[@krishansen4769]

i'm waiting for the upgrade to a type R turbo. any future consideration?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Absolutely there is future consideration 😉

[@krishansen4769]

@@TheLemonFactor possibly another 50hp 😜

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@samarllimited1928]

hello, i have a stock honda accord 2.0 manual with the prl intake. i would like an affordable tune. what do you suggest?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Both the Phearable Stage 3 and KTuner Stage 2 are good options, with the KTuner being included with the price of the KTuner device itself 👍

[@kevindinh5382]

@@TheLemonFactor I have the stage 2 ktuner and it’s night and day, when you buy the stage 3, how would you install it?

[@TheLemonFactor]

Phearable will provide you with a software file to upload to your KTuner, then to your car, the same as you would with the KTuner Stage 2👍

[@kevindinh5382]

@@TheLemonFactor would it come to my email or will it already be on my computer (ktuner app)?

[@kevindinh5382]

@@TheLemonFactor hmm or would I receive it on my ktuner device?!?

[@waveykid3974]

Why there's different numbers compare to their Dyno sheet?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m not sure what you’re asking?. The dyno pulls are represented in the dyno sheets shown.

[@bhoffman8984]

I think you're asking why Chad's numbers are different from Phearable's numbers. If that's the case, they started at a different base line. Could be a difference in the actual dyno machines themselves since Phearables stock dyno numbers were higher than Chad's. I definitely don't think Phearable was being deceptive, it's just common for two different machines to produce two different sets of numbers.

[@cjbnsic]

Will this work on the 1.5t?

[@TheLemonFactor]

KTuner does offer tunes for the 1.5 - checkout their website for more info 👍

[@honda116969]

How much boost is it? Stage 2 vs stage 3 thank u.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Good question 👍. Based on my data logs they both target similar peak boost levels, but the Stage 3 does a better job of hitting those targets. What I believe is more impactful to the difference in power gains is that the Stage 3 runs less rich in its AFR than the Stage 2.

[@honda116969]

@@TheLemonFactor as long as the air fuel is safe👍. My local shop told me that I should do a downpipe setup before I go get a custom tune but it seems to me like you can do pretty damn good with just a factory car & getting a custom tune what do you think? This shop just said you will get more out of it if you do the downpipe they said we don't want to see you waste your money because the reflash is pretty decent. My buddy and I are both getting about 20 PSI 19.8 20.2 with our cars on stage 2.. factory was like 9-13 depending on, i dunno lol it seemed like a couple other people running the stage 3 it was up around 24 psi I'm not quite sure

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m sure you’ll see a little more power from a less restrictive, smoother flowing down pipe, but it’s not necessary. You’ll notice the difference between Stage 2 and Phearable Stage 3 without the down pipe. 👍

[@boozysheep6888]

So does all this void your warranty?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I'm sure that the dealership will give you a hard time if they believe that your tune contributed to the failure. However, they can't void your warranty for let's say your power windows break as the tune would have nothing to do with the windows.

[@boozysheep6888]

@@TheLemonFactor yeah that’s the only thing keeping me from doing it, the fear of voiding my warranty

[@nicholasfolse]

Keep in mind their claims are with a 6mt which will always put down more power than an auto

[@k24z7_]

Why are you putting stage 3 tunes on a stock car, that’s plus require at least FBO

[@TheLemonFactor]

The Phearable Stage 3 does not require any other mods - go check out the Phearable website for more information.

[@agentk4257]

Custom would get u more power and be safer.

[@fred_b_360]

Just another OTS gp tune… Waste.